Speaker 1: Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 1: Done done, Hi everybody, and welcome to That's Messed Up
Speaker 1: an SVU podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm one of your hosts, Kara Klink, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Li'sa Tragger and we talk SVU, we talk crimes, We
Speaker 2: have celeb guests.
Speaker 3: Today's a good one and.
Speaker 1: Today is a great one. Yeah, and now we chit chat.
Speaker 2: And I know I've talked about Lady Gaga so much
Speaker 2: and I truly apologize, But did you watch the video
Speaker 2: of the drag queen at the concert.
Speaker 3: It's the best thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Wait, and everybody's following her and she's like, I'm a
Speaker 1: drag queen and they all think she's Lady Gaga.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. That was so funny.
Speaker 2: But I found one where they zoom in on the
Speaker 2: security guard and he was I think he was supposed
Speaker 2: to be watching.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: I saw a whole like Saint hoax, like the meme
Speaker 1: account did, like a full slideshow of like like the
Speaker 1: reaction of the security guard, like realizing that he's been
Speaker 1: following a drag queen instead of Lady Gagah.
Speaker 2: So good, but I wonder if it's planned, because it was.
Speaker 2: It was incredible. It was like such good makeup and stuff.
Speaker 2: But it's really making me laugh. You know what else
Speaker 2: made me laugh? This is going back a few weeks
Speaker 2: or whatnot. But I loved everyone's responses for your birthday
Speaker 2: on the Instagram.
Speaker 3: They really are so thoughtful.
Speaker 2: They know they remember and like so many specific different things.
Speaker 3: That was really nice.
Speaker 1: And I hate to say, like I'm like technically pretty savvy,
Speaker 1: but like I don't think I even know how to
Speaker 1: do those kind of posts, Like I know how to
Speaker 1: do the ask a question thing, but like when you
Speaker 1: post the responses with like a fun picture and like gifts,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Lisa, I don't even know how to get there.
Speaker 1: Like that is fun. You did a lot of work
Speaker 1: for my birthday. Yeah, it was fun. It was fine,
Speaker 1: that will be it was. It was a great pleasure
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: But it also made me laugh because I forgot that
Speaker 2: you led Andrea Bacelli.
Speaker 1: To address his grip his wife wife was pulling him
Speaker 1: around like a dog. It was just like funny what
Speaker 1: they liked and remembered.
Speaker 3: It was sweet. I enjoyed that. Wait.
Speaker 1: So speaking of were like deep in the time machine
Speaker 1: this week because of travels and travails.
Speaker 3: But I wanted to mention odd Non.
Speaker 1: Sied getting his court thing, getting really from prison his trial.
Speaker 1: His verdict was, Oh my god, I'm like completely have
Speaker 1: no brain right now. My brain is like, swell, you're
Speaker 1: so overwhelmed with the emotion. I'm overwhelmed. His conviction was vacated.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: I was like his trial was it was evacuated. I like,
Speaker 1: his conviction was vacated. This guy has been in prison
Speaker 1: for twenty three years for he has not left prison
Speaker 1: since he was seventeen years old, since the day he
Speaker 1: went in for being arrested, like arrested. They never gave
Speaker 1: him bail, which was a huge part of the which
Speaker 1: was a huge issue with the podcast that they talk about.
Speaker 1: Because I listened to Cereal twice through I was really obsessed.
Speaker 1: I listened to the Undisclosed podcast, which is run by
Speaker 1: odd Non's family friend Robbia and lawyers who all would
Speaker 1: talk about it for after Cereal ended. So I really
Speaker 1: was obsessed and like not getting bail when you are
Speaker 1: put into jail initially is really fucked because you really
Speaker 1: can't aid in your own defense in the same way
Speaker 1: as you can if you're out of jail, you know,
Speaker 1: like yes, your lawyers can come visit you whatever, but
Speaker 1: it's just not the same. Like, he was not able
Speaker 1: to help in his own defense in a lot of
Speaker 1: ways because he just immediately went to jail and was
Speaker 1: denied bail and listen, I kind of always thought that
Speaker 1: he was innocent, but I also realized that, like I
Speaker 1: was manipulated by Cereal. It's a narrative, Like the narrative
Speaker 1: of the podcast was very convincing. I you know, I
Speaker 1: think they did a great job, but I also realized
Speaker 1: a lot of people it's like how I felt about
Speaker 1: my favorite not my my favorite murder, excuse me making
Speaker 1: a murderer.
Speaker 3: Like everyone was.
Speaker 1: I was like justice for Steve and Abray, and people
Speaker 1: were like, Kara, he did it, you know, Like so
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I do think the cops have
Speaker 1: to do the right job, and I don't think there
Speaker 1: were just a lot of unanswered weird questions in this,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that he was beyond a reasonable doubt.
Speaker 1: The person who killed this girl, like there were a
Speaker 1: lot of sketchy things.
Speaker 3: I don't that missed me.
Speaker 2: I didn't miss me because everyone was listening to it,
Speaker 2: but I was not hooked or paid attention to him.
Speaker 1: Did you live in Chicago when it was on because
Speaker 1: it's from like Chicago radio or something, or were you
Speaker 1: already in New York? I have no idea, or was
Speaker 1: this I don't know when to see fifteen?
Speaker 2: I think I had just moved to New York. I
Speaker 2: think in twenty fourteen. Gotcha, So I was in New York.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So anyway, a bunch of people have been
Speaker 1: messaging us because they have they have noted that I
Speaker 1: am obsessed with this case and thank you for reaching out.
Speaker 1: I was mouth on the floor, Like my sister immediately
Speaker 1: texted me, like I could not believe when it happened.
Speaker 1: And they have a month to retry him to enter
Speaker 1: in like new charges. But I just don't think they're
Speaker 1: gonna do it, Like I don't think that they can.
Speaker 1: I don't think they can really do it. He also
Speaker 1: had ineffective counsel. It seemed like his lawyer was like
Speaker 1: dying at the time, like she was very ill and
Speaker 1: was like I don't know what it was, medication or
Speaker 1: her illness, but like she missed a lot of things.
Speaker 1: And so for a seventeen year old boy to have
Speaker 1: like a lawyer that's not fully on, it was kind of.
Speaker 3: Not good for him. But anyway, what else is going on?
Speaker 3: I'm so fucked up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Nothing's going on? Well, the football season.
Speaker 1: You want to talk to the NFL. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So I was doing okay. So there's a guy at
Speaker 1: the comedy store and he does love pulling pranks, but
Speaker 1: I think he.
Speaker 3: Pulls one that's so fucked up.
Speaker 2: I was watching my friend and she was just like
Speaker 2: having a cigarette outside and he runs.
Speaker 3: Up to her and goes, God, do you come on?
Speaker 1: Come on?
Speaker 2: And she goes what, and like she starts running panicked,
Speaker 2: and then he goes just kidding. And so he makes
Speaker 2: people think that they fully are like being called on stage.
Speaker 3: And he has done this.
Speaker 2: To me, Like I'll park in the parking lot and
Speaker 2: be like chill and then they'll be like come on
Speaker 2: your net and I and then you run and then
Speaker 2: it's like totally not it, And I'm like, you cannot
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: A shitty fucking prink. I'm sorry. That is not a prank.
Speaker 1: That's making someone's blood pressure rise for no fucking reason.
Speaker 3: Well, well, what I loved about the person who he
Speaker 3: did it to.
Speaker 2: She did not put out her cigarette, though she ran
Speaker 2: with her cigarette, so she did get to at least
Speaker 2: come back and like finish her cigarette, but she was
Speaker 2: already so stressed that she went back inside to like
Speaker 2: wait for her spot. But like, and she's not a
Speaker 2: paid regular, so it's probably like even more stressful because you're.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, to be here, I don't want to fuck
Speaker 3: every Yes, you don't want to fuck up. The pressure's on,
Speaker 3: and so.
Speaker 2: I was just like, fuck, and so I have to
Speaker 2: remember that he does this, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can just be like, are you being serious? Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it would take the wind out of his
Speaker 1: sales if you just were like didn't believe him right away,
Speaker 1: right yeah, But in that moment, you're just yeah, hopefully
Speaker 1: I'll be on guard. I love drinks, but it's I
Speaker 1: don't know, that doesn't feel like a prank to me.
Speaker 1: It's just making someone feel like crazy.
Speaker 3: I don't know. That feels like a gaslight. I don't know,
Speaker 3: like you did something wrong. Hurry, hurry.
Speaker 1: You're like, like, I don't know, getting someone stressed, Like
Speaker 1: I do love a little I do love a little prank,
Speaker 1: but I like, I like prank phone calls and stuff
Speaker 1: sometimes when you're like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: He also believes that RBG is the reason Roe v.
Speaker 2: Wade was overturned, and it's fully her fault. I have
Speaker 2: other friends that believe that. It's just like you can,
Speaker 2: I mean, you can believe that, like she should have
Speaker 2: retired this and that, but like to blame that one
Speaker 2: woman and not all the people that have tried to
Speaker 2: overturn it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like so crazy.
Speaker 1: First of all, it's like blaming the goalie in a
Speaker 1: hockey game or something like, yeah, I guess the goal
Speaker 1: the did get past the goalie, but it first got
Speaker 1: past three other lines of defense before it got to.
Speaker 3: The goalie, you know what I mean, Like, it's it's
Speaker 3: not her fault, but.
Speaker 1: Like, I just don't know why you think it'd be
Speaker 1: more her fault than like Mitch McConnell's.
Speaker 3: It's just like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It seems like people that are into Facebook, like it
Speaker 2: seems like something that they've read on Facebook, and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: it's not an opinion that they had on their own.
Speaker 3: It's not something they came to on their own.
Speaker 2: They saw something on Facebook that said that, and then
Speaker 2: they think they're like counterculture and super smart.
Speaker 3: But I think it's like idiotic.
Speaker 1: Two of my most liberal friends who did not know
Speaker 1: each other. I introduced them at a party and I
Speaker 1: walked away for like ten minutes, and when I came back,
Speaker 1: they were yelling at each other because he believes that
Speaker 1: Ruth Bader Ginsburg should have retired so that they could
Speaker 1: have installed more justices. This was way pre ro being overturned,
Speaker 1: and that it's going to fuck up the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: and this and that, and she was like screaming at
Speaker 1: him like that's fucking insane, and like they were having
Speaker 1: having it out at.
Speaker 3: A small apartment party.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, it's like also like who could have known
Speaker 2: that everyone was going to vote for a man who
Speaker 2: can't read or spell the president? Yeah, and the rush
Speaker 2: like it's just like it is wild. Yeah, we couldn't
Speaker 2: have predicted the game show host presidency for sure.
Speaker 3: And Obama tried to put another judge on. I mean
Speaker 3: it would have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like it's fine to lump her in
Speaker 2: and like power is corrupt no matter what, Like power sucks.
Speaker 2: But like to take this person who has worked so
Speaker 2: hard for women's rights for decades and justice in this
Speaker 2: world and just fully put it on her shoulders, it's
Speaker 2: like crazy. And then this guy in the commo is
Speaker 2: like she should be rolling around in her grave. It's
Speaker 2: like you're a psychopath. And also those people like I'm
Speaker 2: sure your friend didn't bring it up. It's like these
Speaker 2: people bring up this stuff though to instigate fight, to antagonize.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the prank. It's like you're gonna do a prank.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have this insane point of view and you're
Speaker 2: just gonna antagonize people because you don't know how to
Speaker 2: truly connect.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, you two are on the same side.
Speaker 1: You're both my most like liberal pro Hillary like pro
Speaker 1: like you know, Democrat side. So like it's so weird
Speaker 1: that you're fighting about this.
Speaker 3: What was the genders of them?
Speaker 1: He the guy you brought it up was a guy,
Speaker 1: and then the pro RBG is a woman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, men are not actually liberal ever. Well he's a.
Speaker 1: Gay guy and super liberal, but you know him, Like, no.
Speaker 3: It's always men.
Speaker 2: Men are always liberal until a woman says no to that,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's like men are all
Speaker 2: liberal until it's like their friend is a rapist. It's
Speaker 2: like men cannot fully escape their manhood ever.
Speaker 3: So can I.
Speaker 1: So yesterday I was in CBS buying deodorant and this
Speaker 1: crazy guy was in there and he was just ranting
Speaker 1: and he was going saying shit about Ukraine or whatever,
Speaker 1: and He's like, I'm allowed to say what I want.
Speaker 1: I can say what I want. And I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to get around him. And he goes like, ma'am, you
Speaker 1: don't even care. Nobody even cares. Ma'am, you don't care,
Speaker 1: And I go, I actually don't, and I like get
Speaker 1: around him because I'm like, I'm on the phone and
Speaker 1: I'm buying deodorant. I walk out and my husband had
Speaker 1: been getting coffee and that guy had had accosted him too,
Speaker 1: And when I came out, that man was screaming at
Speaker 1: a woman. And when we were in the car, Jared goes,
Speaker 1: it was so weird, Like that guy said something to
Speaker 1: me about like, do you know how much money we're
Speaker 1: spending in Ukraine? And I was like, I gotta go buddy,
Speaker 1: and he was like and the guy just went whatever,
Speaker 1: and then he just started screaming at that woman, and
Speaker 1: I go, do you know, do.
Speaker 3: You see any difference?
Speaker 1: Do you see any difference between you and the other
Speaker 1: person that he screamed at?
Speaker 3: He was like, oh.
Speaker 1: I was like, Yeah, he can handle a guy telling
Speaker 1: him I don't want to talk to you right now.
Speaker 1: He can't handle a woman being like not right now, sir,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, and he was just
Speaker 1: screaming at her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they know they can get away with it.
Speaker 2: I had an issue ones at a Buffalo exchange in.
Speaker 1: Places I really thought you were gonna say Buffalo wild
Speaker 1: wings and this is fine, but I wanted it to
Speaker 1: be that.
Speaker 2: So I went into, like bring a bunch of stuff,
Speaker 2: and there was a huge line. It was like probably
Speaker 2: spring cleaning times, and so it was like probably like
Speaker 2: twenty women in a line, and you're supposed to stand
Speaker 2: with your stuff. We all want to be browsing. Okay,
Speaker 2: you have to stand with their stuff. And this guy
Speaker 2: his stuff was there, but like he wasn't there. And
Speaker 2: so when he came back, I go, no, we're all
Speaker 2: sitting here waiting. You have to fucking go and he wouldn't,
Speaker 2: and like we got into it and I was kind
Speaker 2: of like fighting him, but no one else did, and
Speaker 2: he just sat there and then like he.
Speaker 3: Got away with it.
Speaker 2: And it's like, if this was twenty men, you wouldn't
Speaker 2: have pulled that shit. Yeah, you would not have cut
Speaker 2: twenty women in line sitting with her stuff and broken
Speaker 2: the rules like this. And then all the staff too,
Speaker 2: were like he comes here, lah blah blah blah, and
Speaker 2: it's like.
Speaker 3: Fuck you.
Speaker 2: You did it because you can get away with it.
Speaker 2: They do it because they can get away with it,
Speaker 2: and it was just frustrated. I was like, if this
Speaker 2: was twenty minute buffalo exchange, there's no fucking way you
Speaker 2: would be yelling and like not moving and not respecting
Speaker 2: what we're saying, Like we all want to browse. You
Speaker 2: think we all like sitting here waiting out like an
Speaker 2: hour to exchange your clothing, Like that's not that's.
Speaker 3: Not the case here. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, because my sister had friends from back in the
Speaker 2: day and every party he would bring up and it
Speaker 2: was finally like you all, you know, we all disagree
Speaker 2: with you. You know this, Yeah, we're asking you to
Speaker 2: stop bringing stop it, and so now they're not really
Speaker 2: friends and he's not invited to any events anymore because
Speaker 2: it's like they just can't they get off on pissing
Speaker 2: you off. It's like so weird, Like I have tons
Speaker 2: of opinions all the time. I'm not going to a
Speaker 2: dinner and yelling about I don't know. It just seems weird.
Speaker 1: And even if you are, you're not going to a
Speaker 1: dinner where you know, everyone has like the opposite opinion
Speaker 1: of being like, guess what, bitches and just like throwing
Speaker 1: gas on the fire, you know. Anyway, another fuck the
Speaker 1: patriarchy intro from Lisa and Kara. Let's move on because
Speaker 1: we got to get the episode started. Of course, we
Speaker 1: need to tell you once again, I'm a broken record
Speaker 1: about our tour dates. This is being wide released on
Speaker 1: October eleventh, which means you still have time to get
Speaker 1: tickets for our shows in Washington, DC, Charlotte, North Carolina, Raleigh,
Speaker 1: North Carolina, Atlanta, Georgia, Huntsville, Alabama, and Nashville, Tennessee. That's
Speaker 1: where we're going to be for the whole week of
Speaker 1: uh October sixteenth through October twenty third, So go to
Speaker 1: that's mess uplive dot com for tickets to that and yeah,
Speaker 1: come if you already have tickets, bring friends. We'd love to,
Speaker 1: you know, see a lot of you guys there. And Lisa,
Speaker 1: what do you think? Should we just get this fucking
Speaker 1: show on the road. Start the episode for today? This
Speaker 1: is a this is an iconic episode. I'm icon We're
Speaker 1: about to take you to one of the best openings
Speaker 1: you've ever seen of this television show.
Speaker 3: Hold on to your butts.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, Today's episode Maternal Instincts, Season seventeen,
Speaker 1: Episode six.
Speaker 3: Fuck you, Hulu, it is not episode five, it is six.
Speaker 1: Should we start a change dot org petition to get
Speaker 1: Hulu to renumber the episodes.
Speaker 2: We must have enough connections at Hulu to like be
Speaker 2: like this needs to change.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna set up a meeting. Yeah, yeah, you're ruining
Speaker 3: our lives.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 1: Anyway, We open on a bunch of hot babes playing
Speaker 1: violin and skin tight dresses. They're on stage at a
Speaker 1: concert and they are fusing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot what episode this was. In the moment
Speaker 2: you said viol I am like I love this from sido.
Speaker 1: These girls are like moving their hips to the sounds
Speaker 1: of the drums. They are sexual violinists and they will
Speaker 1: not apologize for it. So now out of fucking nowhere
Speaker 1: comes up a jazz flute soloist, a jazz floutist, and
Speaker 1: it's giving me like such big Michael Flatley, like Lord
Speaker 1: of the Dance vibes, just like the lighting and like
Speaker 1: everybody looks like they could be irish. Then this jazz
Speaker 1: guy comes out. He's definitely giving a more Russian vibe.
Speaker 1: He is played by Zach McGowan, who's from Shameless and
Speaker 1: a show called Black Sales and a bunch of other stuff,
Speaker 1: and he is well so.
Speaker 2: In Shameless, I would love to share I've probably shared
Speaker 2: this with you before, but him and Joan Cusack have
Speaker 2: a sexual relationship and Zach plays the sex addict and
Speaker 2: at one point he's bringing tarps out and lubes and
Speaker 2: like twenty five people are coming over for a giant gangbang,
Speaker 2: and like Joan Cusack like pegs him and stuff like
Speaker 2: it's a why.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever realized Joan Cusack barely kissed
Speaker 1: anyone except for like Uncle Fester.
Speaker 3: Like I know she pegs this. She doesn't usually get
Speaker 3: like really sexual roles.
Speaker 1: And I noticed because Joan Cusack is my only celebrity comparison.
Speaker 3: I'm sure I've mentioned that on the podcast. Yes, but
Speaker 3: I don't think you guys.
Speaker 1: People just are like John Cusack. I mean like I
Speaker 1: took an acting class once where everyone had to look
Speaker 1: at everybody and tell everybody who your celebrity like is,
Speaker 1: like who you look like? Oh, she's a cross between
Speaker 1: so and so and so and so, and like they
Speaker 1: were fully stumped on me, Like I go, people have
Speaker 1: said Joan Cusack and they were like, I guess, like
Speaker 1: no one had anything for me. Like one person was
Speaker 1: like maybe Sam Bee. I was like, maybe you're that.
Speaker 1: I don't know because you heard I do comedy, Like anyway,
Speaker 1: it was so weird, What a weird what a weird exercise.
Speaker 2: Also, the only person I've gotten is Torri Amos. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: but my parents for some reason, they love Dancing with
Speaker 2: the Stars and for a while they thought I looked
Speaker 2: like Cheryl Burke and I'm like, I don't look like
Speaker 2: Cheryl Burke like at all, but they like cheered for
Speaker 2: her because they're like.
Speaker 3: It's you, and like it's it's not that she's like Asian.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love that for your parents. But also
Speaker 1: you do look like Tori Amos. I never put that
Speaker 1: together and I'm like a huge Tory fan. This is
Speaker 1: yahing my mind now, I like can't not see it.
Speaker 1: But that's the only thing I get. That's the only
Speaker 1: wow in the wild totally and like today specifically, I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's my new pieces in the front.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well wow, Okay, we're back to zaching so early.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 1: I love that Joe Joe Cusack is getting some from
Speaker 1: this man. He looks like he has a hot bod
Speaker 1: and then he is just like fully jamming. The girls
Speaker 1: look pumped, like this concert is running on all cylinders.
Speaker 1: Everyone's fucking freaking Okay. They is in the audience. That's
Speaker 1: what I want to know, That's what I I really
Speaker 1: want to know. Who's paying tickets for this? Like violin
Speaker 1: flute rock like like not but like jazzy rock concert.
Speaker 1: It's so confusing, but the crowd is there. They are
Speaker 1: all on molly and they are all fucking raging. Okay,
Speaker 1: they finish and the crowd goes insane. He introduces the
Speaker 1: violin gals as Bella Donnay. They all take about I'm
Speaker 1: not really sure what's called bella Donna because like it's
Speaker 1: like someone who speaks Italian write me and tell me,
Speaker 1: because shouldn't it be Belle donnay like a plural.
Speaker 3: But anyway, that's who.
Speaker 2: That's what my hat says. Yeah, no, remember my cherry
Speaker 2: bucket hat. Yeah it doesn't it say Donna bell Maybe
Speaker 2: I think it.
Speaker 3: I can't. I don't remember what's on your chee bucket.
Speaker 1: Heead.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but listen.
Speaker 1: They are they are, you know, bringing down the house,
Speaker 1: and the crowd loves it. And and now we cut
Speaker 1: to a much more somber event and it is Rollin's
Speaker 1: baby shower. We are in what looks like a bad,
Speaker 1: like weird looking ballroom or something.
Speaker 3: And like I'll get into it a second.
Speaker 2: Well, because you're in New York, there's not one nice
Speaker 2: restaurant you could rent a room in.
Speaker 3: You have to be in a ballroom with nothing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't care, truly, I'd rather see the
Speaker 1: inside of Rawlins's apartment decorated than this weird ballroom. Like
Speaker 1: it's so weird, and she doesn't have friends, Like who's there?
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know who any of these fucking
Speaker 1: people are, but it's a pretty packed shower. And her
Speaker 1: mother is played by Virginia Madsen, who's a very well
Speaker 1: known actress of.
Speaker 3: Note.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going to go through her credits,
Speaker 1: but she's fair. And you know who her brother is, right,
Speaker 1: Virginia Madson's brother.
Speaker 3: It's Michael Madson.
Speaker 1: Michael Madson. I never brother together. They're siblings.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, never put that together because I'm kind of obsessed
Speaker 2: with him too, just from the quintin.
Speaker 1: Was he in the Justin Bieber video? I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was in a Justin Bieber video, I think. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Virginia Madsen Mama Rolins is just giggling the day
Speaker 1: away with Finn and a man looks annoyed, and Careese
Speaker 1: walks up and is like, sorry, I'm late, and the
Speaker 1: mom immediately starts to flirt with Careese starts pouring them
Speaker 1: all champagne, and Amanda's like, Mom, like slowyer role, it's
Speaker 1: still early, and like you can tell that this mom
Speaker 1: gets sloppy, you know, And she's like, Amanda, don't worry,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a Diet Cola after every glass.
Speaker 3: And I'm like that is.
Speaker 1: A recipe for burps and bloat if you ask me,
Speaker 1: and Rollins goes because that works, and it's like we're
Speaker 1: getting a SVU is very good at introducing a character
Speaker 1: and telling you pretty fucking quickly, like what their deal is,
Speaker 1: and that is what's happening here, Like this mom is
Speaker 1: a mess and you can kind of tell where a
Speaker 1: lot of Amanda's bullshit probably came from. So again, parties
Speaker 1: in a weird it's giving me. Grand Prospect Hall in
Speaker 1: Brooklyn vibes like not the main room of it, but
Speaker 1: maybe like a side room, you know, we make your
Speaker 1: dreams come true?
Speaker 3: You know that place I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, when I lived in New York, if
Speaker 1: you watched like TV, like cable TV, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: like you barely did, Like because you're younger, you got
Speaker 1: these like they've parodied them on SNL. It's like basically
Speaker 1: like this old immigrant couple that I don't know where
Speaker 1: they're from, but they're so cute and they're like the
Speaker 1: Grand Prospect Hall in Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: We make your dreams come through.
Speaker 1: And it's just like dark weddings with like laser lights
Speaker 1: and like women wearing huge ball gowns.
Speaker 3: It's like a very specific kind of wedding that would be.
Speaker 1: But they've shot thirty Rock at the Grand Prospect Hall
Speaker 1: and apparently it's haunted and people saw all this ghosty
Speaker 1: shit when they were there. But anyway, that's the vibe
Speaker 1: I'm getting from the side room of the Amanda Rollins
Speaker 1: baby shower. It has like roosed curtains, a lot of brass,
Speaker 1: like it's just not nice. Benson is holding baby Noah
Speaker 1: and is like, oh, it's so great that you came
Speaker 1: to help Rowlins with the birth of the baby, like
Speaker 1: talking to Mama Rollins, and she's all like, well, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: She wouldn't want to miss any work, especially with that
Speaker 1: sergeant's job floating around, and Rollins is embarrassed because it's
Speaker 1: like mom stopped like telling my boss like that I
Speaker 1: want a promotion or whatever. And Benson's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: like Amanda would be awesome, but the bad news is
Speaker 1: the position's already been filled. The new guy gets here tomorrow,
Speaker 1: and Amanda's like yeah, mom, like shut up, but like
Speaker 1: you can tell she's kind of disappointed, and the mom's
Speaker 1: like great, now you can focus on being a mama.
Speaker 1: And now we're at a hotel where the Russian flute
Speaker 1: player is having a martini. You know, he needs to
Speaker 1: unwind after a fucking electric concert like what he just gave.
Speaker 1: And up walks a woman in address and a short
Speaker 1: black bob and she's like mister Smith and he thinks
Speaker 1: her name is Savannah. So it's like these two are
Speaker 1: clearly like lying to each other. This is either a
Speaker 1: role play or some kind of you know, sex work situation.
Speaker 1: But we can see plain as day that this is
Speaker 1: the hated Kim Rollins, but beloved Lindsay Pulsifer, friend of
Speaker 1: our podcast.
Speaker 3: Like, I hope we get her this season.
Speaker 2: I hope we see her before Rollin's departure, Like, I
Speaker 2: hope I would love to see her set up on
Speaker 2: bipolar meds making amends.
Speaker 3: I would love that.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, But I don't know if the
Speaker 1: show is like trying to give a man like big
Speaker 1: closure around all the people that are in her orbit.
Speaker 3: Well, hopefully they do. I hope so too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if she'll make it the whole season
Speaker 1: or if she's only filming, Like is she gonna leave
Speaker 1: like by episode two or like.
Speaker 3: What's going on? You know? I wonder but we'll see.
Speaker 2: It just makes me hate Dick Wolf, and I've never
Speaker 2: had these kind of feelings towards him, but like it
Speaker 2: makes me be like, what what are you doing?
Speaker 1: I would say the combination of that coming out and
Speaker 1: the John Oliver piece has I've started to have a
Speaker 1: lot of feelings about Dick Wolf that I never had
Speaker 1: before in the past like three weeks, you know. So anyway,
Speaker 1: we know this is a sketchy situation, like why is
Speaker 1: Kim in a wig?
Speaker 3: Why is she meeting a flute player? Like what the
Speaker 3: fuck is going on?
Speaker 1: And he goes call me Anton, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: Anton Smith, Like that's a great name. And he offers
Speaker 1: her a drink and she's like, don't you have a
Speaker 1: mini bar in your room? So she's like, let's get
Speaker 1: to it. I don't have time for this bar drink, Like,
Speaker 1: let's get to your room. And he's like, New York,
Speaker 1: everyone's in such a rush. And then we cut to
Speaker 1: Kim rifling through the guy's wallet, taking cash, like, putting
Speaker 1: her earrings back on, tiptoeing through the room. Then she
Speaker 1: opens the flute jackpot. She busts out of there with
Speaker 1: the flute, and we see Anton like face down naked
Speaker 1: on the bed, passed out, and we're at the credits.
Speaker 1: One of the greatest openings Flutes Galore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, if you're one of our
Speaker 2: listeners that doesn't watch Sview at all, I would at
Speaker 2: least put this opener on. There's like no crime, there's
Speaker 2: no dead bodies, there's no blood, there's.
Speaker 3: No screaming mother.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 1: It's truly a flute concert and it is worth it.
Speaker 1: And it's a flute concert mixed with Roland's family dynamics,
Speaker 1: which is pretty much this entire episode. So we're in
Speaker 1: the precinct at the top of act one and Careese
Speaker 1: is like, hey, Rowin's your mom seems great, and Rolin's
Speaker 1: is like okay.
Speaker 3: And that is such a pet peeve of mine.
Speaker 2: Oh really, Like when you don't like someone deep in
Speaker 2: your life and then someone meets someone, they're like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, they're great, and it's like, yeah, everyone could
Speaker 2: be great for a lunch, Like stop getting involved in
Speaker 2: people's family dynamics.
Speaker 1: Ye like, but because that is like what narcissists do.
Speaker 1: They like you're themselves to people like my dad. Everybody
Speaker 1: that meets him loves him. You know, they're like, your
Speaker 1: dad's so fun, and I'm like, okay, you know, like
Speaker 1: it's like a whole it's like their trick. So anyway,
Speaker 1: he asks Rowlins, oh do you like that wipe warmer
Speaker 1: I got you? My sister swears by it, and Rollins goes, oh,
Speaker 1: that was you in a way that implies she did
Speaker 1: not like the gift. And I am fully team Rolins
Speaker 1: on this one. I have a wipe warmer.
Speaker 3: They suck.
Speaker 1: They just I got rid of it immediately when I
Speaker 1: got it, I never used it.
Speaker 3: It dries out. The wipes.
Speaker 1: They are on every woman's registry and if you are
Speaker 1: pregnant or having a baby, they are not necessary. Babies
Speaker 1: do not give a shit if their wipes are hot
Speaker 1: or cold, so they stop the baby wipe talk when
Speaker 1: they notice that she Deputy Chief Dodds walks in with
Speaker 1: another dude who we quickly find out is baby Dodds.
Speaker 1: And this is Dodds's oldest son, played by Andy Carl,
Speaker 1: who is a Broadway baby. He played like the ups
Speaker 1: guy in Legally Blonde Musical and he's been in like
Speaker 1: a ton of Broadway stuff.
Speaker 3: So nepotism strikes again. We talk about.
Speaker 1: Nepotism on this podcast all the time, and this motherfucker
Speaker 1: is getting a job totally.
Speaker 3: Based on his dad's connections.
Speaker 1: So in Live's office, she's welcoming Baby Dodds and his
Speaker 1: dad's like bragging about all his achievements, how he signed
Speaker 1: up for Special Forces right out of college after nine
Speaker 1: to eleven, and baby Dad's is like, okay, Dad, settle down.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm new to SVU and I have a
Speaker 1: lot to learn. So he's at least trying not to
Speaker 1: be like a punk ass, Like he's not showing up
Speaker 1: being like yeah, bow down like Ama Dods. You know,
Speaker 1: he's I think, being pretty humble. So Rollins shows up
Speaker 1: into the office, she meets Dodds and then tells them
Speaker 1: that Alessandra Bay, one of the violin girls that we
Speaker 1: saw earlier, one of the Belladonna has been reported being
Speaker 1: assaulted in her hotel room. And Dodds is like, Rowlins,
Speaker 1: you should probably be on desk duty, and Live is
Speaker 1: trying to get Rowlins to stay with baby Dodds, and
Speaker 1: then baby older Dods is like, no, bring Mike with you.
Speaker 1: It's like a whole power struggle of who gets to
Speaker 1: go and Rollins ends up getting like kind of fucked
Speaker 1: and has to stay home and Baby Dodds gets to go.
Speaker 1: So now Baby Dodds is joining Live on the call
Speaker 1: and eyebrows dodd says son sinker swim, and it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, so weird. So now we're at the Park Milano,
Speaker 1: which I think that's a real hotel, and I think
Speaker 1: that's where my boss got married and he always told
Speaker 1: me they had a really good burger anyway, my old boss.
Speaker 1: So now Chrisy and Finn are giving Live the entire
Speaker 1: low down and She's like, uh, are you pulling security footage?
Speaker 1: And Finn's like yeah, and then Baby Dodds tries to
Speaker 1: pull like my daddy owns knows the owner bullshit, and
Speaker 1: Finn's not here for it. He's like the footage is
Speaker 1: on its way, like we don't really actually need you
Speaker 1: to pull strings on getting security footage. And then Baby
Speaker 1: Dodds is like, okay, I can get the woman's statement
Speaker 1: and Benson is like it's actually called a disclosure and
Speaker 1: there's no way I'm letting your frap boy ass handle
Speaker 1: a right victim by yourself, Like how about we go
Speaker 1: in there together?
Speaker 3: So in the room.
Speaker 1: This woman has a busted lip and she looks rough
Speaker 1: like she really looks like she has been attacked, like
Speaker 1: a great job to the makeup department, and the acting
Speaker 1: like she looks very shaken up. She says she heard
Speaker 1: banging and yelling outside her hotel room. When she opened
Speaker 1: the door, this guy just charged in, grabbing her. She
Speaker 1: screamed at him to stop, and he covered her mouth
Speaker 1: and pushed her to the ground. She couldn't breathe, and
Speaker 1: then she starts coughing, and baby Dods is like, let
Speaker 1: me get you some water, and Live is like, ah,
Speaker 1: she could have DNA in her mouth or in her
Speaker 1: throat or fluids, like you can't like wash that all away.
Speaker 3: So it's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he was all talk yeah, well, oh, anything
Speaker 2: you need, I'm here to learn, and.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, you're not what Well, like I think
Speaker 1: he's realizing very quickly how different it is from like
Speaker 1: regular copping or whatever.
Speaker 3: He wherever he's from. I forgot like where he came from.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 1: She tells liv how this man raped her and then
Speaker 1: she passed out, and then she says, I knew my attacker.
Speaker 1: It was Anton Krasna. Cough he's touring with Belladonne. It
Speaker 1: was the floutest so done done.
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 1: Next scene, Finn and Creesy are knocking on Anton's hotel
Speaker 1: room door and he opens the door shirtless, like wow,
Speaker 1: and he goes, wow, that was fast because he just
Speaker 1: called nine one one and they're like, why did you
Speaker 1: call one one? And he's like, oh, because my fifty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars flut is missing. And they're like, okay, flu boy,
Speaker 1: come down to the station and we'll file a report.
Speaker 1: So he thinks he's just going downtown to like deal
Speaker 1: with his missing flute. This is crazy too, because like
Speaker 1: these classical instruments are really really expensive.
Speaker 3: Like this is what wild connection.
Speaker 1: But when I went to summer camp, Yo Yoma's kids
Speaker 1: were campers. He's like the most famous cellist in the world,
Speaker 1: and he left his cello one time in the back
Speaker 1: of a cab, which is worth like I mean probably
Speaker 1: half a million dollars at least, and like he got
Speaker 1: it back, but like, shit's crazy.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 1: In one of the meeting rooms at the precinct, Cariese
Speaker 1: walks in and tells Anton, Oh, yeah, we put an
Speaker 1: apb out on the flute.
Speaker 3: Which is so funny to me. We got an APB.
Speaker 1: We're looking for a flute, like too funny, Like apbs
Speaker 1: are usually supposed to be on people or cars, I guess.
Speaker 1: And they're acting like they care about the flute, but
Speaker 1: they really want him to fess about his whereabouts vis
Speaker 1: a vis the assault, and Anton was like, I was
Speaker 1: at a show with Belladonna.
Speaker 3: We had thunderous ovation.
Speaker 1: And then they he goes they love my flute here,
Speaker 1: which I thought was so funny. He's like, oh yeah, Americans,
Speaker 1: they love my flute. And he tells them about meeting
Speaker 1: Savannah and he confesses that he's a happily married man,
Speaker 1: but she did come up for one drink and he's like,
Speaker 1: with the jet lag, I must have fallen asleep. When
Speaker 1: I woke up, she and the flute were gone. So
Speaker 1: it's like he never even thinks for a second this
Speaker 1: woman stole the flute.
Speaker 3: Like he's just seems like an idiot.
Speaker 1: And then they bring up Alessandra and he's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: did someone steal her violin? Like and he seems pretty
Speaker 1: like he seems concerned about her violin and like not
Speaker 1: like he's hiding something and Finn's like, no, she was assaulted,
Speaker 1: and Anton's very shocked, and then they tell him. She
Speaker 1: says he's the one that assaulted her, and he's like,
Speaker 1: that's impossible. She's on another floor, and he also says
Speaker 1: it's impossible. Why would someone like me need to rape anyone,
Speaker 1: which we get a lot of guys saying that kind
Speaker 1: of shit on the show, and it's so funny like
Speaker 1: that men don't understand, like that what rape is really about.
Speaker 1: And so he's like, do you know who I am?
Speaker 1: I have two hundred performances booked around the world in
Speaker 1: the next year, and like, again, who's buying tickets? I
Speaker 1: cannot believe that there's a jazz flute is selling out
Speaker 1: two hundred performances around the year, speaking of that's messed up.
Speaker 1: Coming to a city near you. Please buy our tic
Speaker 1: We're only doing twenty five. Like, this guy's got an audience.
Speaker 1: So liv is watching through like the fish tank window, unimpressed,
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, yeah, I'm a celebrity, How could
Speaker 1: I possibly rape anyone? Which is like, yeah, half the
Speaker 1: show is celebrities raping people. And did you see the
Speaker 1: thing I posted over the weekend that TikTok.
Speaker 3: I really like it.
Speaker 1: This comedian is doing a bit where she goes, I
Speaker 1: want to start calling it raper. I'd like it to
Speaker 1: sound more like murderer or trader and less like florist
Speaker 1: and artist. Like it's a great comment, great point anyway,
Speaker 1: Lots of celebrities are rapers, is what I mean to say.
Speaker 1: Rollins is defending him like he is pretty famous. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's been honored by the King of Sweden. What are
Speaker 1: you talking about, Rollins?
Speaker 3: And then she.
Speaker 1: Goes, yeah, like he's just got a great reputation, he's beloved.
Speaker 1: It's not like there's whisperings about him, like he's not
Speaker 1: like a Louis c.
Speaker 3: K type.
Speaker 1: And then liv Is like, Rollins, remember your first case
Speaker 1: here with the Italian diplomat, and she's obviously referring to
Speaker 1: Scorched Earth, where you know an Italian diplomat rapes a
Speaker 1: hotel made based on Dominique strauss Khan and then Rollin says, yeah,
Speaker 1: but his affect just like doesn't match the profile. Baby
Speaker 1: Dodds walks in with security footage of Anton naked pounding
Speaker 1: on Alessandra's door. He stays inside the room for fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes and then leaves, so it's all kind of in
Speaker 1: line with her story, and he asks if liv wants
Speaker 1: to watch, and she goes, I'll take your word for it.
Speaker 1: So it's like just there's so many little, like subtle
Speaker 1: moments of Dodds being like an idiot, like, yeah, she
Speaker 1: doesn't really need to watch if you say that that's
Speaker 1: what happened. And then Rollin's noticed that Anton is like
Speaker 1: completely out of it in the video. She's like, he
Speaker 1: seems like he's fucked up, like maybe he's a victim too,
Speaker 1: and Lives like, okay, let's get him tested blood you're in,
Speaker 1: et cetera. And Rollin's is like, yeah, we got to
Speaker 1: get prints in his room too and figure out who
Speaker 1: this Savannah character is. So then Liv tells baby Dodds
Speaker 1: to pull the strings earlier about the security footage, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, why we have the footage from Alessandra's floor,
Speaker 1: Like why didn't we get Anton's floor? Like this is
Speaker 1: so weird, But anyway, we're calling in the favor to
Speaker 1: the guy in the end, and just then they get
Speaker 1: a hit on the flute. It turned up at a
Speaker 1: pawn shop. Rollins is opening the file sent from the
Speaker 1: security footage of the pawn shop and to see who
Speaker 1: sold the flute, and she goes, it's buffering, let me
Speaker 1: go check it out on my computer immediately like Rollins
Speaker 1: is a horrible liar, or like the actress makes her
Speaker 1: choice to let her lying be seen, and she sits
Speaker 1: at her desk and we immediately see her checking the
Speaker 1: footage of her sister Kim pawning the violin, like it's
Speaker 1: clear as day that this is her sister, and she goes, oh,
Speaker 1: don't do this to meet Kim, and that's the end
Speaker 1: of act one. So then act to Rollins is still
Speaker 1: at her desk and everyone is closing in on her,
Speaker 1: like wondering about this picture. She lies to Finn and
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, there's like the file is corrupted.
Speaker 3: I can't get it open. And he's like he.
Speaker 1: Doesn't really buy that, because remember how we're all supposed
Speaker 1: to think that Rollins is really great at tech. He's like,
Speaker 1: you can't already that, No, Remember, like in other Child,
Speaker 1: like Downloaded Child and other episodes we've done, they've been
Speaker 1: like it's been Rollin's being like tiptap tip tap, it's
Speaker 1: behind a fire and we're like why is Taru not here?
Speaker 1: Why are we leaving this up to Rollins? They act
Speaker 1: like Rollins has like sort of a skill set involving.
Speaker 3: Tech, and I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I thought her skills were just watching a lot of
Speaker 1: TV shows and knowing about sports and being flirty and
Speaker 1: being a major flirt and a gambler.
Speaker 3: But yeah, she knows tech.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I think that's what gets Finn immediately a
Speaker 1: little suspicious. Like Rowlins is supposed to be good at tech.
Speaker 1: Rollins is like, it doesn't really matter. Anton's good for
Speaker 1: the assault, and Finn's like, yeah, but that girl probably
Speaker 1: drugged him. She goes she played his flute and then
Speaker 1: stole his flute, and it's like good one.
Speaker 3: Finn. Rollins is like, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: He's not a vic and it's it is kind of shady,
Speaker 1: Like Rollins ten minutes ago was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: the guy's got a good reputation, like it seems like
Speaker 1: he might be a victim. And now the second she
Speaker 1: sees this is her sister, She's immediately.
Speaker 3: Like this is cut and dry. This guy fucking did it.
Speaker 1: Let's put him in jail forever, you know, Like it's
Speaker 1: kind of wild of Rollins, you know.
Speaker 3: I just I don't get it.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, your sister is a just like
Speaker 1: stop yeah yeah, Like I mean it's crazy. How like
Speaker 1: later in this episode, the mom's like, you don't stand
Speaker 1: up for your family, and I'm like, she really fucking
Speaker 1: does for how what of a hot mess Kim is?
Speaker 3: She's doing a lot bad right away for Kim, you know.
Speaker 1: And so Finn is like, are you sure there's nothing
Speaker 1: on the video and she's like, no, there's nothing, and
Speaker 1: Finn's like something is up. Rollins is actually sketchy, and
Speaker 1: she goes walk me to the breakroom like their partners,
Speaker 1: they know each other. She's not going to get away
Speaker 1: with us for a like long, so she's like, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna tell Finn. In the breakroom, she shows Finn
Speaker 1: the footage and like the like confesses about like the
Speaker 1: Kim of it all, and Rollins had no idea Kim
Speaker 1: was even in New York. Last time she saw her,
Speaker 1: she robbed Amanda blind like I think, left only the
Speaker 1: ice cube trays and then skip town leaving after this
Speaker 1: is after Amanda she set up her boyfriend for Amanda
Speaker 1: to kill him, right, and so she's got a manslaughter
Speaker 1: warrant out for her. Finn is like, stay away from
Speaker 1: her and tell Live what's going on, and Rollins is like,
Speaker 1: I can't not with baby doubt Dodds around, He's gonna
Speaker 1: snitch to Daddy or IAB And to me, it's like,
Speaker 1: you're not far enough in yet. You could literally just
Speaker 1: go in and tell like Live that you just got it.
Speaker 1: But she's already like, you know, winding the whole like
Speaker 1: IAB thing like I don't think IAB has a case
Speaker 1: here yet. You got that image on your computer two
Speaker 1: seconds ago. Anyway, She's like, give me a minute to
Speaker 1: find her. I'll ask my mom, she'll know where she is.
Speaker 1: I'll bring her in myself. Finn agrees, but he's very
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with this, you know, Finn likes to play it
Speaker 1: by the book. So now Baby Dodds is telling Live
Speaker 1: that his hotel buddy recognizes Savannah as a working girl,
Speaker 1: so it's not her first time, okay at at a
Speaker 1: hotel at the Park Milano, and Finn is buying time
Speaker 1: for Rollins and Uh tells them, yeah, yeah, she's running
Speaker 1: that pawnshop image through facial recognition, and Lives like, what's up?
Speaker 1: With her, and Finn's like, oh, and she's okay, she
Speaker 1: just needed lunch, and then he makes up a technical
Speaker 1: glitch about the whole picture and that like and that
Speaker 1: Rollins is down there checking on it herself with Taru
Speaker 1: or whatever. So it's like there's a lot of covering baby.
Speaker 1: Dodd thinks, at least if we can confront Anton about
Speaker 1: the sex worker aspect, maybe he'll talk. Liv says, why
Speaker 1: don't we just tell him we already got the DNA back,
Speaker 1: even though they haven't.
Speaker 3: They always do this. They love to bluff.
Speaker 1: They love to bluff people, and maybe it's shoddy police work,
Speaker 1: but it works a lot for them. Rollin's calls her
Speaker 1: mom frantically, and her mom is doing the same shit
Speaker 1: Kim does, like gas lighting and always being like super calm,
Speaker 1: like calm down, Darlin, and playing dumb like APB John,
Speaker 1: what do these words even mean?
Speaker 3: Like she's being so annoying and.
Speaker 2: Also sounds rich. But I never got the vibe that
Speaker 2: they were wealthy.
Speaker 1: I know, But I think there's also a thing where
Speaker 1: like maybe like she's like a southern woman up in
Speaker 1: the city kind of trying to pretend to be something
Speaker 1: that she's not like she seems like she tries to
Speaker 1: buy like knockoffs at like TJ Max. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean to like look rich, sure than she is,
Speaker 1: but she does sound rich. Yeah, she's got the very
Speaker 1: Blanche Devereaux kind of voice going on, and Rollin says,
Speaker 1: here's what it means, Mama, she meets me now or
Speaker 1: the police are gonna take her ass down. And I
Speaker 1: know you don't want headlines about your daughter being a prostitute.
Speaker 1: And the mom's like, I'll see what I can do
Speaker 1: and hangs up, And then the camera pulls out to
Speaker 1: reveal Kim is right there in Amanda's apartment snuggling with
Speaker 1: the fucking dog, and the mom is like, Kimmy, are
Speaker 1: you in trouble? And Kim like manipulates the mom so easily.
Speaker 1: She's like, you know, Amanda, she's always putting me down
Speaker 1: to build herself up. And it's like putting you down
Speaker 1: with a manslaughter warrant.
Speaker 4: Girl.
Speaker 1: Like the delusion with Kim is like so out of control,
Speaker 1: and the mom's like, still, I think you better talk
Speaker 1: to her. Back at the precinct, they're showing Anton photos
Speaker 1: of himself pushing his way into Alessandra's room and he's
Speaker 1: freaking out. He's like, this is not possible, Like I
Speaker 1: don't remember any of this, and he remembers that Savannah
Speaker 1: poured him a drink at the mini bar and she
Speaker 1: must have drugged him, and he admits that that is
Speaker 1: him in the picture, but he would never rape anyone,
Speaker 1: like that's not like he would never and he's like,
Speaker 1: do I need to call a lawyer someone from my embassy,
Speaker 1: and Carisey's like, we got to take you to the
Speaker 1: er for tests to prove that you were drugged and
Speaker 1: we need to know. But it's been days by now.
Speaker 1: I think it's still the day after and GHB stays
Speaker 1: in their society.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like because they were so focused on
Speaker 2: his it's like the attack he perpetrated, they really didn't
Speaker 2: focus on the attack on him, on him, and they
Speaker 2: should have taken him for swabs of everything immediately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I do feel I don't. I
Speaker 1: feel like they took him down to the station the
Speaker 1: next day and it would he showed up shirtless and
Speaker 1: then like that's he's been there the whole time. So
Speaker 1: but now they're taking him to the hospital. But you're right,
Speaker 1: they should have done it earlier. And we also they
Speaker 1: tell him, and we also need to know how you
Speaker 1: booked Savannah and he's like, well, I don't want my
Speaker 1: wife to know, and Baby Dodds is like, dude, we
Speaker 1: could have rushed you right now, and that's something your
Speaker 1: wife's definitely going to know about.
Speaker 3: So you can work with us or not work with us.
Speaker 3: It's totally up to you now.
Speaker 1: Baby Dodds and Live are going through, uh, the info
Speaker 1: that they found out, which is that he found Savannah
Speaker 1: through Craigslist, he paid cash, and he used a fake name,
Speaker 1: and then Baby Dodds is like, well, I called the
Speaker 1: number and I booked an afternoon date with Savannah and
Speaker 1: he's like really smug about it, like I'm already going undercover,
Speaker 1: and Live is like, yeah, I don't really care about
Speaker 1: this sex worker.
Speaker 3: I want to close out the rape case.
Speaker 1: And Dods is like yeah, but if we don't track
Speaker 1: her down, he can claim we ignored that as a
Speaker 1: lead and like, honestly, that's what just happened in Cereal.
Speaker 1: But anyway, and with odd, Noan sayed getting his child overturned,
Speaker 1: and liv says she prefers to be kept in the
Speaker 1: loop and then walks off and he's like, okay, listen,
Speaker 1: he follows her. He's like, my dad said, I was
Speaker 1: supposed to take the pressure off of you, but if
Speaker 1: you don't feel comfortable delegating, that's cool. And it's so
Speaker 1: funny because it's like you're putting it on her inability
Speaker 1: to delegate.
Speaker 3: It's just your first day at work and you're.
Speaker 1: Kind of going off a little bit half cocked, and
Speaker 1: she's trying to get you to chill out. So she's like,
Speaker 1: but she's very diplomatic. She's like, why don't we just
Speaker 1: keep each other abreast.
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: And then Amanda and Kim meanwhile meet at an outdoor cafe.
Speaker 1: It very much feels like Bryant Park to me, but
Speaker 1: I can't tell you sure it is right.
Speaker 2: It is Bryan Park. I have killed time in that yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: And there's like a fancy restaurant in there. And one
Speaker 2: time I took our friend Michael for his birthday lunch
Speaker 2: because he worked in that area.
Speaker 3: Nice, so I took him there and then we used
Speaker 3: to do kream bar. Yeah. I love that part of
Speaker 3: New York. You.
Speaker 1: I used to go in the summer and sit outside
Speaker 1: and like there'd be pop up like drink kiosks and stuff.
Speaker 1: And also I went ice skating there one time, at
Speaker 1: the same place where Jill Zarin did her ice skating
Speaker 1: thing sub zero or something like that was so fun.
Speaker 1: I love ice skating anyway. So they're at Bryant Park,
Speaker 1: not ice skating, just meeting at an outdoor cafe, and
Speaker 1: Kim is like being This is what infuriates me so
Speaker 1: much about Kim, how she just acts like everything is
Speaker 1: so chill, and she's so like not pressed about anything because.
Speaker 3: Like, well because she believes it.
Speaker 1: Yet she believes that everything's always taken her, like everybody's
Speaker 1: always kind of like cleaned up her messes for her.
Speaker 1: So she's like life is just rainbows and fucking you know,
Speaker 1: pop tarts or whatever. And she asks Rollins immediately, Wow, Amanda,
Speaker 1: are you having twins, which is like exactly what a
Speaker 1: pregnant woman wants to hear all the time, and tells
Speaker 1: Rollins that she did not drug Anton, and then he
Speaker 1: gave her the flu as a gift, of course, a
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars gift. I don't think anyone's that great
Speaker 1: at blowjobs, but okay, and Rollins is about to absolutely
Speaker 1: lose it, and she demands that Kim turns herself in,
Speaker 1: and then the mom shows up and wants to have
Speaker 1: like a girl's day. She's like, let's get drinks. And
Speaker 1: it's very like, you feel how frustrating Rowlins is because
Speaker 1: she's frustrated. She is because she's like, I'm the only
Speaker 1: normal person in my family and I'm not even that
Speaker 1: fucking normal.
Speaker 2: Pregnant, so pregnant, yeah, like I have so rare for
Speaker 2: her baby shower.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's so wild.
Speaker 1: So now they're at a sleazy motel where Dodds is
Speaker 1: supposed to be meeting up with Savannah, but Kim's pimp
Speaker 1: is there and he and Dodds is like, and there's
Speaker 1: another girl that he brought, this redhead, and Dodds is like,
Speaker 1: I don't want her to no offense. My ex is
Speaker 1: a redhead. I want Savannah, like, where's my blonde? And
Speaker 1: then the pimp pulls a knife and his name is Slice,
Speaker 1: and he pulls a knife and then Dodds pulls his
Speaker 1: gun and Carisy shows up for back up, and the
Speaker 1: whole like thing is you know, blown, and they make
Speaker 1: the pimp Slice text Savannah and They're like, get her
Speaker 1: to show up somewhere. So now we're back at the cafe.
Speaker 1: Kim's like, how am I in trouble when you're the
Speaker 1: one who's knocked up? And I bet you don't even
Speaker 1: know who the father is. Like, she just keeps like
Speaker 1: cutting deeper and deeper. It's like Marlowe, how she cuts
Speaker 1: with these comments and the mom is like, that's not nice.
Speaker 2: Like wait, that's our next we should do which characters
Speaker 2: are which housewives?
Speaker 3: It's so fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kim, I would say, Kim Rollins is like a
Speaker 1: Marlowe trauma, deeply traumatized and lashes out.
Speaker 3: And then she goes.
Speaker 1: The mom's like that's not nice, and Kim's like, well
Speaker 1: she shot my boyfriend.
Speaker 3: And Ro's like you set.
Speaker 1: Me up and Kim's like, well you pulled the trigger
Speaker 1: and now I'm on the run. And then Rollins's like
Speaker 1: you robbed me, Like I don't know why I have
Speaker 1: to keep pointing out that you are a full criminal,
Speaker 1: and the mom's like, girls, girls, I'm gonna go get
Speaker 1: us some cocktails. And Rollin's is like, how dumb are you?
Speaker 1: There's a warrant out for you in this city? Why
Speaker 1: did you come back here to start turning tricks, Like truly,
Speaker 1: she could have gone anywhere else where, Like there's not
Speaker 1: a warrant out for her, and she could have probably
Speaker 1: lived for a while without anyone noticing. And Rollin says,
Speaker 1: you better come with me or I have to arrest you,
Speaker 1: and she's like, you wouldn't do that, you'd break mama's heart.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, my agent's calling me, I gotta go,
Speaker 1: and Rollind's is like, yeah, you're pimp, You're not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: And then Kim does this like obnoxious like comeing get
Speaker 1: me shit where she starts like skipping away from Amanda
Speaker 1: and being like I was always faster than you, and
Speaker 1: then she's like what are you do? Shoot me in
Speaker 1: front of all these people, and then she bounces right
Speaker 1: out of there, and it is frustrating.
Speaker 2: But also Amanda fucking arrests her like you're breaking every rule,
Speaker 2: you're being shady. You're just the shadiest Kim at the moment. Honestly, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: just's annoying.
Speaker 3: But like, but.
Speaker 1: If she runs away and she's pregnant, is she gonna
Speaker 1: chase her down or shoot her?
Speaker 3: No? But there shouldn't she should.
Speaker 2: Have brought fit like, yeah, she's giving chances. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: it's kind of like, what do you expect from these
Speaker 2: people you've known them, You're so like, I don't I
Speaker 2: want to feel bad. I obviously am frustrated, but it's
Speaker 2: just like Kim, I mean, you're Randa, You're also making
Speaker 2: the worst decision.
Speaker 1: The move would have been to have like brought Finn
Speaker 1: and Creesy and been like just hang out over it,
Speaker 1: like hang out somewhere hidden, and if she tries to
Speaker 1: make a run for it, grab her. I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: to get her to turn herself in, but grab her
Speaker 1: if she if she runs, you're right, You're right. So
Speaker 1: now we're an interrogation. They've got slice. He has no
Speaker 1: idea where Savannah is. And Finn comes to tell liv
Speaker 1: that the DNA is back and Anton did rape Alessandra.
Speaker 3: Like so what like the fuck happened?
Speaker 1: So Finn's like to live okay, can we just shut
Speaker 1: the shit down about the sex worker? And she's like nah,
Speaker 1: like I gotta let baby Dodds have this, like he's
Speaker 1: working on it. I got to like let him have
Speaker 1: his little bone. Finn makes like some shady comment about
Speaker 1: baby Dodds and she goes, look, I asked you to
Speaker 1: take the sargeants examine.
Speaker 3: You said no, So now we have baby Dodds deal
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 1: So sliced lawyers up and Dodd threatens him a bunch
Speaker 1: and then they leave and Live tells Dodds that they're
Speaker 1: dropping the whole Savannah thing. They got the DNA, they
Speaker 1: tried to find her. We're in the clear, like we
Speaker 1: did we like we did our best efforts. And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: what about the image from the pawn shop, and Finn
Speaker 1: says Tyroue's backed up and Rollins went back to check
Speaker 1: on it, and he's still covering for her. But she
Speaker 1: asks Finn again what is up with Rowlins and he's
Speaker 1: stone Walls and she says she appreciates him having his
Speaker 1: partner's back. Get her ass in here now, and it's like, uh, oh,
Speaker 1: mom is bad. So now they're talking to Anton and
Speaker 1: he's like, I swear I was drugged and they said
Speaker 1: they're working with her pimp to find her, and he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: a pimp, So these are bad people. And it's like
Speaker 1: you found her on Craigslist and you did pay her, so,
Speaker 1: like you know what, she does for a living, and
Speaker 1: they tell he could have been an independent contractor. True,
Speaker 1: but why does it make her a bad person that
Speaker 1: she has a pimp?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: I thought he meant like the pimp, like these are
Speaker 1: bad people, Like, uh, you know, like I think he's
Speaker 1: talking about Savannah too. He's like, these are all bad people.
Speaker 1: And it's like you kind of knew what you were
Speaker 1: getting into, like you know, like finding someone on Craigslist too.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not like you went with It's not
Speaker 1: like you found one of Delia or Ganzelle's higher end girls.
Speaker 1: You know. Anyway, they tell they found the flute and
Speaker 1: he's so relieved because he has a concert in Montreal tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Carisey's like, yeah, bro, you are not going to Montreal tomorrow.
Speaker 3: You're being charged with Alessandra's rape.
Speaker 1: And he looks devastated and he's like, let me talk
Speaker 1: to Alessandra.
Speaker 3: And they're like, yeah, that's absolutely not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: So now liv is talking to Rollins and confronting her
Speaker 1: about all her sketchy behavior and she's obviously confessed about Kim.
Speaker 1: So Rollins is explaining, like I thought it was the
Speaker 1: best course of actually would be like setting up a
Speaker 1: meat walking her in without a struggle.
Speaker 3: But then Finn goes, oh, but then.
Speaker 1: She never showed up right, and Rollins says like, it's okay, buddy,
Speaker 1: you can stop lying for me now, like I'll take
Speaker 1: it from here. She's like, she did show up, but
Speaker 1: she was being a little baby bitch. She wouldn't listen
Speaker 1: to me. And they're like, so you just let her go,
Speaker 1: and Rollins is like, I wasn't going to pull out
Speaker 1: my gun and shoot my sister while my mom is
Speaker 1: on her way back with mimosas And I really like
Speaker 1: that line too, and Liv is like you could be charged,
Speaker 1: you could be fired, like why would you put your
Speaker 1: neck out for your fucking sister like this?
Speaker 3: And Rolinds is like you.
Speaker 1: Got to call off Baby Dodds and Lives like I can't,
Speaker 1: and liv says all the communication with Rollin's family from
Speaker 1: now on has got to be recorded, and you better
Speaker 1: figure out a way to get Kim's ass in here,
Speaker 1: and Rollins is like, I tried, she will not listen
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 3: We all know how crazy she is.
Speaker 1: Then Dodds walks in at that exact moment, Baby Dodds,
Speaker 1: and he's like guess what just got an ID with
Speaker 1: facial recognition from the pawn shop still and he obviously
Speaker 1: has id'ed Kim Rollins and he live asks him to
Speaker 1: close the door, and she tells him listen, I just
Speaker 1: found out myself. But Rollins and Finn are going to
Speaker 1: solve this, like, don't worry. But it took him two
Speaker 1: seconds to run it through facial idea, it feels like.
Speaker 1: And so all this stonewalling is very obvious that she's
Speaker 1: been rying. So they bring Mama Rollins in and tell
Speaker 1: her that they're filming her and she's like, I'm ready
Speaker 1: for my close up like she started, you know, she's
Speaker 1: very blanche, and then she's already covering for Kim, like saying,
Speaker 1: you know, she doesn't know where she is and this
Speaker 1: and that, and then Dodds is like there is an
Speaker 1: outstanding warrant on her and she's like, well, I don't
Speaker 1: know where she is, and they're like, listen up, bitch.
Speaker 1: Kim's pimp is pissed at her and he thinks she
Speaker 1: stole money and we better find her, but before he
Speaker 1: does or he'll hurt her or possibly worse. And this
Speaker 1: kind of sways the mom and She's like, I've been
Speaker 1: trying to call her, but she's not answering. And then
Speaker 1: suddenly Kim calls the mom on her cell phone and
Speaker 1: they have a little chat and when they hang up,
Speaker 1: she's like, they're like, where is she? And she's like,
Speaker 1: finally reveals she's at Amanda's apartment. I've been putting money
Speaker 1: aside for her, and that's where she went to go
Speaker 1: get it. The cops pull up as Kim is trying
Speaker 1: to make a run for it. She says slices up
Speaker 1: in her apartment and he's not doing so well and
Speaker 1: that it was self defense. Kim starts screaming at Amanda,
Speaker 1: why won't you let me live my life I wrote?
Speaker 1: And why don't you go do illegal shit in one
Speaker 1: of the many other cities where your sister is not
Speaker 1: an active detective.
Speaker 3: It's really strange, like.
Speaker 1: Go to Philadelphia, like I don't know upstairs caresium. Finn
Speaker 1: finds Slice on the floor of Amanda's apartment, bleeding from
Speaker 1: his nuts and they arrest him and.
Speaker 3: He's like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: You know, we got a lot of guys getting their
Speaker 1: dicks injured on this show. So now at the top
Speaker 1: of ack four. We're at the precincts. Kim's being let
Speaker 1: in in cuffs and she's like, can you please take
Speaker 1: these cuffs off me now? Like she thinks she's getting
Speaker 1: special treatment for being Kim's sister, and Finn just goes no,
Speaker 1: and her delusion, I feel like, is truly limitless. Like
Speaker 1: she acts like they're just hassling her and won't let
Speaker 1: her just like do her thing. And Mama Rollins is
Speaker 1: immediately like walks up and is like, oh happens my baby?
Speaker 1: She has blood on her?
Speaker 3: What did you do to her?
Speaker 1: And Rollins is like, no, this dumb bitch decided to
Speaker 1: slice up Slice and Kim goes he had it come
Speaker 1: in very cell blocked Tango from Chicago. Baby Dodds lets
Speaker 1: them know that Slice is gonna pull through.
Speaker 3: Thank god.
Speaker 1: He lost a lot of blood, but he's gonna make it,
Speaker 1: and Live tells Finn to drive a man and her
Speaker 1: mom home and that she's going to talk to Kim,
Speaker 1: and Amanda is like, well, then I'm staying here if
Speaker 1: you're talking to Kim, and Lives like, actually, bitch, no
Speaker 1: you're not. I'm calling the shots now, Kim, keep your
Speaker 1: mouth shut till a lawyer gets here, which they that's
Speaker 1: a courtesy. They don't usually do that to people, like
Speaker 1: they usually try to get to them to talk before
Speaker 1: the lawyer gets there. Then she's like, Finn, get these
Speaker 1: other two rollins brods out of here now, and so
Speaker 1: they all leave and the next scene, Kim is manically
Speaker 1: nodding her head alongside her lawyer, who looks like he's
Speaker 1: been practicing law for about five minutes. He says Kim
Speaker 1: has nothing to hide and it was obviously self defense,
Speaker 1: like we're happy to help. So Lives like, okay, spill it,
Speaker 1: and Kim's like, well, Slice kept texting me and he
Speaker 1: was real pissed.
Speaker 3: You guys should not have telled him about the flute.
Speaker 1: And it's like this is why she's so enraging, Like
Speaker 1: it truly is like always someone else's fault. It's not
Speaker 1: your fault you stole the flute. It's their fault. They
Speaker 1: told you're pimp about the flute. So she had to
Speaker 1: leave town and she's like, I gave my money to
Speaker 1: my mom who took it to Amanda's apartment, so I
Speaker 1: just went back to get it and Lives like okay, well,
Speaker 1: how did Slice find you, and the lawyer goes, why
Speaker 1: don't you ask him? He's been stalking her, and Kim's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was so mad and banging down the door. She
Speaker 1: tried to keep him in the hall, but he just
Speaker 1: barged in and beat her up. And then she shows
Speaker 1: the bruising on her face and she goes, so I
Speaker 1: lied and said the money was under the couch, and
Speaker 1: when he went to get it, I grabbed a knife.
Speaker 1: He turned and lunched. Next thing I know, he was
Speaker 1: on the floor and I was running. She's telling the
Speaker 1: story like it's like a cute folk tale about like
Speaker 1: a fox and a turtle, Like it's wild. She's like,
Speaker 1: and then the next thing that happened, like, she's got
Speaker 1: a grin on the entire time. I think that makes
Speaker 1: it hard for anyone to see her like as a victim.
Speaker 1: It's like, lose the chessure cat grin. Kimmy so careesy
Speaker 1: clarifies that this money is from stealing and selling a flute,
Speaker 1: but Kim and her lawyer are still on the whole
Speaker 1: The flute was a gift angle and the lawyer's like
Speaker 1: the meeting between her and Anton was completely like he.
Speaker 2: Has two hundred shows. Why would he give you the flue?
Speaker 2: He's busy exactly.
Speaker 3: So someone has my zoom recorder. I'm stolen.
Speaker 1: Someone like fucked you so good. You're like, take my
Speaker 1: zoom recorder. Oh my god, you need to have this.
Speaker 1: That was the best night of my life. So the
Speaker 1: lawyer clarifies that her meeting between with Anton was totally legal.
Speaker 3: They met online, they went on.
Speaker 1: A date, and I guess because it was cash, they
Speaker 1: can't really prove that any money changed hands, so lives like, okay,
Speaker 1: so after one date, this guy sweated you so hard
Speaker 1: he gave you his fifty thousand dollars flute and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he said it was insured. He wanted to help me
Speaker 1: get my life together, maybe help me go back to school,
Speaker 1: and then if there's any money left over, maybe give
Speaker 1: it to Amanda and the baby. And like it's so manipulative.
Speaker 1: And Amanda and Finn are watching through the glass and
Speaker 1: Finn is just looking at Amanda, and Amanda's like, I know,
Speaker 1: I know, like I know, we all know what, Like
Speaker 1: we've seen this bitch before. And she's like, it's been
Speaker 1: my whole life with this manipulative little fucker and Kim says, yeah,
Speaker 1: Krasniakov was a little drunk and he'd taken a couple
Speaker 1: of pills.
Speaker 3: He offered me some, but I don't do drugs.
Speaker 1: They make people do crazy things, and it's like, you
Speaker 1: did drugs like three episodes ago, Dog, And then the
Speaker 1: lawyer interrupts and says, let's stop here, and Kim is
Speaker 1: like grinning at this guy like a dork and is like,
Speaker 1: I will refer defer to mister d'sapio. And so Kim's like, oh,
Speaker 1: and how Antona assaulted that poor woman. If he hadn't
Speaker 1: done that, none of us would be in this situation.
Speaker 1: And it's like crazy, like how this girl plays gymnastics
Speaker 1: with her own mind.
Speaker 3: So now we are in court at arraiment.
Speaker 1: Krasnikov pleads not guilty while all the Belladonna women are
Speaker 1: in the courtroom, and his lawyer argues that he was
Speaker 1: under the influence of an anesthetic narcotic given to him
Speaker 1: without his consent by a known criminal. The Ada is like, well,
Speaker 1: that was an escort he hired who denies giving him anything,
Speaker 1: and there were no drugs found in his system, which
Speaker 1: is a huge, huge point of content, like in the episode,
Speaker 1: because It's like, wow, why did you do that? If
Speaker 1: there were I was under the assumption this whole time
Speaker 1: that this guy had been drugged with some They were
Speaker 1: going to tell me about some crazy new drug from
Speaker 1: Brazil that I've never heard of or whatever, and he
Speaker 1: was on when we know about all the drugs, And
Speaker 1: that's why I was worried that they didn't drug test
Speaker 1: some sooner. GHB, I thought, leaves your body after twenty
Speaker 1: four hours. Kabbalamine is untraceable, right, yeah, I think maybe untraceable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just obviously this show, all the men are constantly guilty,
Speaker 2: but like I don't think the duds are rapist.
Speaker 3: I know, but like he did it. It's just it's twists.
Speaker 3: It's like it is.
Speaker 1: A but it's also crazy, like if you were drugged, okay,
Speaker 1: why would you go down to another floor and to
Speaker 1: the room of someone you knew if you were fully drugged,
Speaker 1: why didn't when you just bang on a bunch of
Speaker 1: rooms on your own door and it was banging.
Speaker 2: I think he was banging on all the rooms and
Speaker 2: then she recognized him and opened it or no, he was.
Speaker 1: Banging on her door and then she let the door. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and well no, he was maybe banging on other doors,
Speaker 1: but he went to a different floor.
Speaker 3: Like it's kind of nuts.
Speaker 1: He went to a different floor and went to a
Speaker 1: room if someone you knew, And I think that's what
Speaker 1: the cops at the beginning are, like, you knew where
Speaker 1: her room was, and he's like, oh, well we checked
Speaker 1: in together. Like that's like, you know, yeah it is.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I don't think he did it,
Speaker 1: but they make this episode very nebulous, and you're kind
Speaker 1: of like, what did happen? Like because if you're just
Speaker 1: on a crazy drug binge that turns you violent, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, it doesn't seem scopolamine does that. Scapolomine
Speaker 1: turns you into like a viable zombie. GHB turns you
Speaker 1: basically passed out, I think, or viable nothing turns you
Speaker 1: into a rage machine who will go rape. Maybe there
Speaker 1: is something and I don't know about it. I'm waiting
Speaker 1: for Melinda Warner to tell me what the fuck this is.
Speaker 2: No, you're right, all the drugs could incapacitate, not.
Speaker 1: Like costage here, so like then it's like not only that,
Speaker 1: but you don't just hit your first victim.
Speaker 3: You go down and you find someone that you know.
Speaker 1: So maybe it's like something that was deep down beside
Speaker 1: inside him that he wanted to attack this woman.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: They didn't even show at the beginning, like a look
Speaker 1: between him and her, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: that maybe he has a crush on her or something
Speaker 1: like that. Well, and I feel usually we're pretty discerning
Speaker 1: audience members that like when someone is lying up top,
Speaker 1: we kind of see it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we know what's up.
Speaker 1: Like he did really play it as though he really
Speaker 1: had no idea what.
Speaker 3: Was going on.
Speaker 1: So but also he must have been kind of on something,
Speaker 1: because it's like, if you really wanted to just like
Speaker 1: rape this woman, it would have made a lot more
Speaker 1: sense to just walk down to her room and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: want to have a drink and then attack her rather
Speaker 1: than run through the hallways of a hotel.
Speaker 3: Navy.
Speaker 2: Maybe she wanted to talk him the most famous floutists
Speaker 2: in the world, Maybe she would have wanted.
Speaker 3: But I know this, Oh, if.
Speaker 1: He hadn't come in at her like that, yes, like yeah,
Speaker 1: if he had maybe gone, if he had maybe like
Speaker 1: actually tried it, like to hit on her, maybe yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, the Ada was like, no, he was on
Speaker 1: a sex and drinking binge turn violent.
Speaker 3: Krasnikov speaks up and goes, this is a nightmare.
Speaker 1: I don't remember any of this, and then Adya is like,
Speaker 1: we want remand your honor, like this dude is an
Speaker 1: international superstar floutist with the means to flee, and his
Speaker 1: lawyer is like, but he needs his passport to travel,
Speaker 1: and it's like, not a great argument, sir, That's exactly
Speaker 1: why they're taking it away from him. So he's not
Speaker 1: making these concerts and they remand him without bail. And
Speaker 1: if you know about the actual justice system, if you
Speaker 1: get put away without bail, like you're not getting out
Speaker 1: for a long time, like courts take a while, Like
Speaker 1: he's not making any of his concerts. So he does
Speaker 1: have a moment in the courtroom where he tries to
Speaker 1: make eye contact with Alessandra, but like she's not won't
Speaker 1: look at him, and then Alessandra chases down Benson is like,
Speaker 1: are people.
Speaker 3: Going to buy this drugging story?
Speaker 1: Like they said there were no drugs found in his system,
Speaker 1: and she says he definitely knew what he was doing,
Speaker 1: so it's weird, like she doesn't even say, he seemed
Speaker 1: like a zombie, he seemed like an animal.
Speaker 3: There was no getting through to him.
Speaker 1: She says, like he seems like he knew exactly what
Speaker 1: he came there to do or whatever.
Speaker 3: But again, yeah, she's the victim.
Speaker 1: So our focus moves to Amanda, who is now chasing
Speaker 1: down mister DeSapio, trying to get him to understand how
Speaker 1: supremely fucked up her sister is.
Speaker 3: And she's like, you don't.
Speaker 1: Get it, Like Kim doesn't hear anything she doesn't want
Speaker 1: to hear. And Amanda says, you told her if she
Speaker 1: doesn't take this plea, she's looking at a long stretch right,
Speaker 1: and he's like, don't worry, I spoke to the eightya,
Speaker 1: We're all.
Speaker 3: On the same page. Now we're back in court for
Speaker 3: Kim's arrangment.
Speaker 1: Rollins is trying to get scooped from Creesy, like, do
Speaker 1: you think Dodds is run in his mouth about my
Speaker 1: back door dealings in this episode? And Caresee's like, I
Speaker 1: think we only have to worry about if he tells
Speaker 1: his dad, and the judge is like, welcome back to
Speaker 1: New York, Ms Rollins, which I love a little bit
Speaker 1: of Judge shade, and they bring up the manslaughter charge
Speaker 1: in the death of Jeff Parker, who was her ex
Speaker 1: boyfriend that Rollin shot, and Kim is like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I can't explain that, and the ADA pipes up to
Speaker 1: say that they are also charging her with grand larceny
Speaker 1: and assault, but in exchange for a guilty plea for
Speaker 1: her manslaughter charge, the people are willing to drop the
Speaker 1: charges of flute stealing and pimp stabbing. So now they
Speaker 1: ask her how she pleads, and we see her whispering
Speaker 1: to mister Dasapio a lot and touching his arm and
Speaker 1: like smiling at him and like they're flirting at a bar,
Speaker 1: and Dsapio.
Speaker 2: Real sisters, real sisters, very similar this time. You see
Speaker 2: their sisterly traits come out exactly, both flirt machines.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: D'sapio reluctantly says not guilty on all charges, which totally
Speaker 1: renegs the plea deal, and the ADA is like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: we will proceed on all charges then, and they remand
Speaker 1: her to Rikers and she acts like she just won
Speaker 1: an award. Like Kim is like huge grid on her
Speaker 1: face and I think we don't know she's bipolar, yet
Speaker 1: I don't write I don't think we know she's by
Speaker 1: polar as of this episode. I think this is what
Speaker 1: they're setting up, Like no one is getting remanded to
Speaker 1: Rikers with a huge smile on their face, like Rikers
Speaker 1: is a nightmare, Like that's not fun. So outside the courtroom,
Speaker 1: the squad is talking to Amanda and Cariese's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: mad in the headlines, and he's like he always says
Speaker 1: dumb shit like this, and I think that's why, Like
Speaker 1: I've never been really horny for him.
Speaker 3: I always feel like he says the wrong thing at
Speaker 3: the wrong time.
Speaker 1: He's changed a lot, but at these early seasons, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what she wants to hear right now that her
Speaker 1: sister's going to be in the headlines, Thank you so much, Cursy.
Speaker 1: So Amanda stops her mom and is like, you got
Speaker 1: to talk to Kim, mom.
Speaker 3: She's making a mistake.
Speaker 1: And now we see like exactly the delusional tree that
Speaker 1: Kim's apple came from, like she is Mama Rolins is
Speaker 1: like blaming it all on Amanda. If you hadn't arrested Kim,
Speaker 1: she'd be safe and out of town and a fucking
Speaker 1: fugitive of the law, and Amanda's like, uh, her pimp
Speaker 1: could have killed her, and her mom's like, oh, she
Speaker 1: handled that man.
Speaker 3: Just fun. Kim can take care of herself. This was
Speaker 3: about you choosing work over.
Speaker 1: Family, and it's like she literally chose her family over
Speaker 1: work for a lot of this episode.
Speaker 3: And then Mama Rollins says, sorry, Darling.
Speaker 1: I can't stay to help with the baby anymore, and
Speaker 1: it seems like You've got it all covered, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I'll be back for Kim's trial and then maybe by
Speaker 1: then you'll have learned the value of family. And like
Speaker 1: Virginia Madsend Mike drop Out, Rollins is like flabbergasted. She
Speaker 1: looks like she just got hit by a truck, like
Speaker 1: her eyes are widening, and she like, you know, and
Speaker 1: then she starts to feel faint, like the stress of
Speaker 1: all this is getting to her, and she's like I'm fine,
Speaker 1: I'm fine, and then the squad's are like all around
Speaker 1: her and she fully passes out and they take her
Speaker 1: to the hospital. So now in the waiting room, Careese
Speaker 1: is stressed and he's like she going into labor, and
Speaker 1: Finn's like they would have told us shut up, and
Speaker 1: then he immediately tries to talk about her family with Finn.
Speaker 1: He's all like, well, Rollin's his family, huh. And Finn's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: all family has shit, and Cariese's like yeah, but her
Speaker 1: family has a lot of shit, and it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Finn's X step son was a murderer played
Speaker 1: by Ludacris and Carisi. You have so much family drama
Speaker 1: coming up in the next few seasons, like your brother
Speaker 1: in law's getting like raped by his parole guard.
Speaker 3: Like, you guys have a lot going on.
Speaker 1: So they wheel her out eventually Rollins and she's like
Speaker 1: it was just a blood pressure spike from stress.
Speaker 3: I'm fine, and they're gonna drive her home now.
Speaker 1: Live is in the office with eyebrows Dods adult dods
Speaker 1: and suggesting that Amanda maybe takes some time off before
Speaker 1: the baby, and then she He's like, yeah, I'll try
Speaker 1: to get her to do that, and then he's like,
Speaker 1: how's baby dods doing and lives like he's really stepping up,
Speaker 1: and she he goes, let me know about any issues.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't really think that she needs to
Speaker 1: report to you. There's like a whole process with that,
Speaker 1: and then baby Dodds comes in and is like, oh,
Speaker 1: is my dad check it up on me? Sorry about that,
Speaker 1: and lives like shut that. There's a lot of shut
Speaker 1: the door in this episode. Meebe by the vending machines,
Speaker 1: shut the door. So liv wants to reiterate when I
Speaker 1: told you not to follow up on that escort lead.
Speaker 1: I truly had no idea it was Rolind's sister. I
Speaker 1: did not find out until you found out, like I
Speaker 1: found out five seconds before you walked in the room.
Speaker 1: And she's spoken to Rollins and Finn and will be
Speaker 1: continuing to do so, and Dodds is like, go easy
Speaker 1: on them. Families complicated, and he knows everyone thinks he's
Speaker 1: like the boss's son and that they've got to watch
Speaker 1: what they say around him. But he's like, it's Vegas rules, Baby.
Speaker 3: What happens at.
Speaker 1: SVU stays at SVU, and he gives her his word
Speaker 1: and they shake hands, and we get a feeling that
Speaker 1: we're not going to hate him the way we have
Speaker 1: hated Dodds, because Dodds has been such an asshole to
Speaker 1: Olivia for so many seasons.
Speaker 2: No, but after watching this episode, I continued watching a
Speaker 2: few more and Patrimonial Burden is right after this, and
Speaker 2: we did that and it's like the ones set up
Speaker 2: based on the Duggers. But he is like shitting on
Speaker 2: Benson to Finn in the elevator. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you remember, but he's like, oh, I've done this with
Speaker 2: the Hasidics blah blah blah, and Finn has to be like, no,
Speaker 2: if she thinks there's a crime, there's a crime, like
Speaker 2: you need to sell and like, so he's good in
Speaker 2: his nature, but I think it's he's still.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's not going to change in one episode,
Speaker 1: but I think we're not gonna fucking in like furiously
Speaker 1: hate it, Like there were episodes where I hated eyebrows
Speaker 1: so much. Like he's just being so awful to live,
Speaker 1: like just to as the show loves to do, just
Speaker 1: to make her life miserable. Anyway, So now at Rikers,
Speaker 1: Amanda is visiting Kim and she walks in and Kim's
Speaker 1: like Amanda and gives her this big hug, kind of
Speaker 1: like the way she tries to reset every time they
Speaker 1: see each other, and Amanda's like, what do you want?
Speaker 3: I need to get to work, like it's.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't have time to really be at Rikers
Speaker 1: and I'm also about to, like but pregnant, and Kim
Speaker 1: tells her, I just wanted you to know that everything's
Speaker 1: going to be all right, and she starts gushing about
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Dsapia, her lawyer, and how he wants to go
Speaker 1: to trial. He wanted to go to trial, but she
Speaker 1: called him off, and Roland's is like, wait, what are
Speaker 1: you even talking about? And she's like, Lorenzo said a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff when he met with the DA, like
Speaker 1: how you didn't tell live when you id'd me or
Speaker 1: let people know that I was even in town. Also
Speaker 1: a lot of personal stuff between us, the cycle of abuse,
Speaker 1: how you were raped on the job, which I don't
Speaker 1: like recall the timeline of this season that well, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if we knew that already, like that
Speaker 1: she was raped on the job, because I remember she
Speaker 1: was assaulted, we thought by one of her captains. But
Speaker 1: was that what they're talking about, like by the Harry
Speaker 1: Hamlin character.
Speaker 3: I thought, but is this what they're talking about? I
Speaker 3: don't know. Anyway, She's like, you're gambling addiction.
Speaker 1: All that would have come up during the trial, and
Speaker 1: I didn't want to put you through the stress of testifying.
Speaker 1: So weird part of this like manipulative game she plays
Speaker 1: is that she sets up all this chaos and then
Speaker 1: acts like she's saving the day. And she's like, Lorenzo's
Speaker 1: gonna come up with another plea, like an umbrella plea,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to testify against Anton again, acting like
Speaker 1: she did not have a hand in drugging him. She
Speaker 1: definitely drugged him, I don't know what, because she made
Speaker 1: him pass out I think before they did anything and
Speaker 1: stole his flut. I think she drugged him to rob him,
Speaker 1: but it definitely facilitated what happened in some way. But like,
Speaker 1: I do think she's kind of an accessory to this
Speaker 1: sexual assault for sure. And she says, Lorenzo thinks I
Speaker 1: could be out in under a year, which I don't
Speaker 1: really know with manslaughter and grand larceny and assault how
Speaker 1: that would happen. But Amanda's like, it's not gonna happen, babe,
Speaker 1: And she says, well either way, Lorenzo says he's gonna
Speaker 1: wait for me. I think he's gonna marry me. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: that be something? And she like looks kind of evil
Speaker 1: and she says, like Mama says, everything works out in
Speaker 1: the end, and it's like, yeah, and that's Dick Wolf.
Speaker 3: And I do think it's kind of.
Speaker 1: Weird that the show never, like they don't always show
Speaker 1: you the court like verdict coming in, like the jury
Speaker 1: saying guilty, but they will have like a lot a
Speaker 1: throwaway line where it's like, by the way Anton's lawyer
Speaker 1: got him talked down to three months in jail, he'd
Speaker 1: been playing concerts by the end of the year, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, or like something just to sum
Speaker 1: up what happened to Anton, Like in the SVU universe,
Speaker 1: we have no idea what the fuck happened to Anton?
Speaker 1: And we got no closure on our flute guy.
Speaker 2: No, but this is a really fun episode, lots of dynamics.
Speaker 2: I do want to know what happened to Anton, but
Speaker 2: I will tell you what happened in the real case.
Speaker 3: I can't wait. I know nothing about it, all right.
Speaker 2: So this guy that this story is based on, it's
Speaker 2: with an f is it's Stefan or Steven.
Speaker 3: I think it's Stefan.
Speaker 2: He's German, Yeah, but I only think of Bill Hayter,
Speaker 2: you know, Well.
Speaker 1: I actually have a friend whose kid has named this
Speaker 1: and it's Stefan, So I don't know if it's like
Speaker 1: Stefan Stefan, but yeah, it does remind me of New
Speaker 1: York's hottest club DJ Snows and Lucci.
Speaker 2: And his last name is Ursberger with a Z in there,
Speaker 2: so that's exciting. So this guy, he's a German national,
Speaker 2: he's a violinist. No flutes here, and at the time
Speaker 2: of the incident he was playing with his colleagues in
Speaker 2: the Lipzig String Quartet world renown, world renowned. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess people see this type of music, you know, there's
Speaker 2: all different types of people, and people are seeing this
Speaker 2: quartet and they're popular.
Speaker 1: So me, it's just like when we're talking about the
Speaker 1: episode though, it's just like there's people that go see
Speaker 1: classical music and then there's people that go see like,
Speaker 1: you know, rocky more upbeat music. I just didn't know
Speaker 1: that there was like an overlap where like jazz flute
Speaker 1: violin would be super popular, but there is.
Speaker 2: So he came to town with the quartet March twentieth,
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen for a brief tour and the concert was
Speaker 2: at the Library of Congress, which I think is cool.
Speaker 3: Right, So when they came to town, where did he go DC?
Speaker 2: Well, no, okay, So he came to the States with
Speaker 2: the quartet on March twentieth, twenty fifteen for a brief tour.
Speaker 2: It included the concert at the Library of Congress, which
Speaker 2: he did, and then the next one was going to
Speaker 2: be the Harvard Club, but he missed it because he
Speaker 2: wasn't police custody.
Speaker 5: Ooh.
Speaker 2: So he was accused of barging naked into the room
Speaker 2: of a sixty four year old woman at a midtown
Speaker 2: hotel in New York. He was staying in there while
Speaker 2: he was on tour, and it was March twenty seventh,
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, was the day of the attack.
Speaker 3: In New York City.
Speaker 2: He was trying to strangle her and was charged with
Speaker 2: attempted murder, burglary, strangulation, and assault, and a civil suit
Speaker 2: from the woman. The woman's name is Pamela Robinson and
Speaker 2: she was a tourist from Asheville, North Carolina.
Speaker 3: I've been there. Oh, gosh, me too. It's cute. It's fun.
Speaker 3: I like it there.
Speaker 1: No, Ashville's great, it's like the artsy cute. It's not
Speaker 1: that there's not other great parts of North Carolina. But
Speaker 1: everyone says like Ashville's like the artsy kind of like
Speaker 1: hyah area.
Speaker 2: I had good biscuits, I had a good hike, like
Speaker 2: it was. I stayed in a shady motel, I'll tell
Speaker 2: you that much, but a lot of.
Speaker 3: Breweries and retired people. I was into it.
Speaker 2: So she left with injuries, including bruising and burst blood
Speaker 2: vessels in her neck. So he really pressed down. I
Speaker 2: would say his defense was that he was drugged by
Speaker 2: a sex worker that he brought to his room earlier
Speaker 2: in the night of the attack.
Speaker 3: Who done done was a man.
Speaker 2: DNA style though this is all old. It was like
Speaker 2: someone that was trans but yeah, but I don't know
Speaker 2: if it was like a drag queen vibes or full
Speaker 2: trans vibe, like I don't know what it was. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so not you know, man DNA style.
Speaker 3: I'm not like miss Jim.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was biologically male DNA. But if this person
Speaker 1: was presenting as a woman. We don't know if this
Speaker 1: person was presenting as a woman or.
Speaker 2: Not, or a performer, like, we really don't know. Hotel
Speaker 2: video surveillance shows Oursburger going into his room accompanied by
Speaker 2: a woman who later turned out to be biologically Jerry
Speaker 2: Neptune aka Natalie Pros. So, okay, you know, this is
Speaker 2: very close to the episode.
Speaker 3: I would say, okay, right, yeah, okay, you.
Speaker 1: Just keep saying okay, no, no, no, no, no, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so close. I'm kind of thinking that maybe this
Speaker 1: was a transsext worker if they were presenting as a
Speaker 1: woman to the surveillance video, you know, like and but
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: Know if it's like for work or an all the
Speaker 2: time suggestionion. Yeah, yeah, like that's kind of like that
Speaker 2: does happen.
Speaker 3: I only know what I know.
Speaker 2: So the the tape showed that this person Neptune aka Natalie,
Speaker 2: left the room of Oursburger alone with the violinist's iPad
Speaker 2: under their arm. The tape also shows Oursburger stumble out
Speaker 2: of his room and was naked and mindlessly knocking on
Speaker 2: guest doors. He said that he remembered nothing at all
Speaker 2: from that night. He says that he was drugged at
Speaker 2: a bar and was disoriented for five hours, and that
Speaker 2: he got robbed. All the credit cards that were taken
Speaker 2: were used with what People magazine called high criminal energy.
Speaker 2: I wan serious damage.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, can we make merch that says high
Speaker 1: criminal energy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's why I stumbled a little because I
Speaker 2: was like, wait, what is it? Yeah, I wonder what
Speaker 2: that means, just like probably going to Barney's and buying
Speaker 2: like yeah, I.
Speaker 1: See charges that are out of the norm and like crazy,
Speaker 1: and you're like, loop, that's high criminal energy.
Speaker 2: We should Yeah, next time we're out and about, we
Speaker 2: should be like, oh, that guy's giving.
Speaker 1: Me the high criminal energy. But we got a scadadle
Speaker 1: out of here. So so this person just took an
Speaker 1: iPad and meanwhile, the violin is probably worth a lot.
Speaker 3: More to take the violin unless you're in the no.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know that instruments are a
Speaker 2: lot but so much craftsmanship.
Speaker 3: You should know that a lot goes into making it
Speaker 3: and maybe harder to sell.
Speaker 1: You can sell an iPad like anywhere, and like no
Speaker 1: one's gonna bother to like by a violin.
Speaker 3: You might have to go to like a special place
Speaker 3: to sell it. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But the NYPD said that they could not find
Speaker 2: his name on any complaints regarding stolen credit cards, so
Speaker 2: he was saying that he was robbed, but he didn't
Speaker 2: file any complaints but also if he was drugged and
Speaker 2: was woken up naked, then like where would he have
Speaker 2: had time to file the complaint. So I don't really
Speaker 2: know if that's even important. So basically, Pamela's lawsuit says
Speaker 2: that she answered the door of her room at the
Speaker 2: Hudson Hotel near Columbus Circle, and I have stayed there
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve.
Speaker 3: Ahway is a nice It is gorgeous.
Speaker 2: I mean it was. I got Comedy Central's like Comics
Speaker 2: to watch. It was my first time getting flown out
Speaker 2: and put out for something like that. And the rooms
Speaker 2: are tiny, It's New York. But yeah, very sexy, very comfortable.
Speaker 2: I was so happy to be there. But what was
Speaker 2: amazing is like the lobby's all plants. There's just like
Speaker 2: plant walls everywhere before plant walls were a thing, so
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 3: It was a gorgeous hotel.
Speaker 2: I remember having like great drinks, like I remember feeling
Speaker 2: very very special to be there.
Speaker 1: Maybe we should go, but Hudson Hotel, it is nice,
Speaker 1: it's really interesting.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're just never like none of my social engagements
Speaker 2: unless it's Broadway or ever like Uptown, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: I know I've spent a lot of time around Columbus
Speaker 1: Circle because I lived on the Upper West and I
Speaker 1: don't remember that hotel, but like I probably just I know, yeah,
Speaker 1: like I was staying in hotels.
Speaker 2: You know, you should google the lobby unless they've remodeled.
Speaker 2: It was like fucking gorgeous. But I was also younger,
Speaker 2: like I might have higher standards. Now I might be
Speaker 2: not like, what is this trash?
Speaker 3: But plants are? I'm not twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: So around eight am, Pamela said that she answered the
Speaker 2: door and was confronted by mister Arsberger, who was completely naked,
Speaker 2: pushed his way into her room, seized her by the throat,
Speaker 2: and d quotes violently shook her and threw her around,
Speaker 2: bashing her head into the walls and shelves of the
Speaker 2: hotel room closet. She was saved by hotel employees who
Speaker 2: entered her room and pulled him off of her. They
Speaker 2: had heard her screams while they were looking for a
Speaker 2: loose naked man, so they saw like he was not.
Speaker 2: That's why I brought it up in the episode. So
Speaker 2: this guy was like running around knocking on all these doors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the security footage shows that.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if they just saw the security
Speaker 1: footage and were looking for him or people were calling,
Speaker 1: but they were running around looking for this naked man,
Speaker 1: heard her scream, managed to get him off of her,
Speaker 1: and then the violinists fled to his room and was
Speaker 1: arrested by police.
Speaker 3: Shortly after.
Speaker 2: After his arrest, his passport was seized and he was
Speaker 2: released on a one hundred thousand dollar or bail. But
Speaker 2: he was stuck in the US and for the case,
Speaker 2: he would stay at friends houses, but he yeah, he
Speaker 2: missed his wife, so he was kept here for fifteen
Speaker 2: months throughout everything, so he had to stay here. But
Speaker 2: the music community was on his side and they did
Speaker 2: like GoFundMe style and raise money and let him crash
Speaker 2: at places and paid for him to state places, and
Speaker 2: the quartet made comments and like everyone was very much
Speaker 2: team Stefan. Okay, Like a lot of people were like,
Speaker 2: we've got his back.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, yeah, but a lot of.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a little frustrating because in all of
Speaker 2: the statements from the quartet and all these musicians, like
Speaker 2: no one even mentioned Pamela. And it's like, even if
Speaker 2: you don't think the Stefan guy did anything like you can.
Speaker 2: It's very Erica Jane. Yeah, it's very Erica Jane, where
Speaker 2: it's like if you feel like you're gonna be, if
Speaker 2: you have empathy for these people, then then you're admitting
Speaker 2: you're guilty. And it's like you could have not been
Speaker 2: quote unquote at fault and you were drugged or whatever,
Speaker 2: but like all these people could have at least said
Speaker 2: and we're so sorry what happened to that woman, Like
Speaker 2: I just think it's fucked up.
Speaker 3: It's very boohoo.
Speaker 2: I had to sell my violin for legal fees, and
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, but you did attack, physically attack a
Speaker 2: woman who has now scarred for life and might have
Speaker 2: like psychological and emotional trauma forever. So it's like I
Speaker 2: was very much annoyed by the whole music community that
Speaker 2: was just like, well, we have his back, he's been
Speaker 2: you know, he's the victim, and it's like, no, there
Speaker 2: was a victim, Like fuck off. So that's just very
Speaker 2: Erica Jane. And you can support him while also acknowledging
Speaker 2: and we're so sorry what happened to her. So in
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, though prosecutors dismissed the attempted murder, strangulation, and
Speaker 2: burglary charges against Oursburger. He did cop to the misdemeanor
Speaker 2: assault and was sentenced to an unconditional discharge, served no
Speaker 2: jail time and no fine, and that was part of
Speaker 2: a plea deal. The official charge was reckless assault in
Speaker 2: the third degree without a factual admission. I don't really
Speaker 2: know what that means, but I added it. He also
Speaker 2: waved his right to appeal as part of the plea,
Speaker 2: and his lawyers insist that he was too high for
Speaker 2: the necessary intent needed for the top charges. But like
Speaker 2: I said, there was no evidence of any drugging at all,
Speaker 2: no evidence, there was nothing found in his system, no
Speaker 2: drugs found and at all, and the cops, like I mentioned,
Speaker 2: said that he did not seem drugged.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no signs.
Speaker 1: I'm literally just really quickly googling like drugs that make
Speaker 1: you violent, and like obviously there are, but it's like cocaine,
Speaker 1: meth amphetamine, bath salts, synthetic marijuana, Like it's just not
Speaker 1: really the kind of thing that someone who's trying to
Speaker 1: rob you or fuck with you is going to sprinkle
Speaker 1: into your drink. Like you're not gonna be like here's
Speaker 1: a little cocaine, you know what I mean, and like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can you wake up from ketamine wild?
Speaker 5: Or no?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know people that go into a K
Speaker 1: hole therapeutically, so I don't really think about it, like
Speaker 1: as something that makes you. It's not on this list
Speaker 1: of this random website I'm on.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: But also nothing was found, so the you know, the prosecutions,
Speaker 2: like he didn't have the necessary wherewithal to like commit
Speaker 2: this crime, but like there is no evidence. But whatever,
Speaker 2: he did get his passport back. He was able to
Speaker 2: go home after fifteen months. Newsday New York said the
Speaker 2: victim was satisfied with the plea and sentence. And but
Speaker 2: that's as prosecutors told the judge. Yeah, and I did
Speaker 2: not find any information about the civil sup but hopefully
Speaker 2: she got I hope she got the money.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then The New York Post reported that Neptune also
Speaker 2: took a plea deal for robbing Oursburger.
Speaker 1: And all of this for an iPad, Like you drugged
Speaker 1: someone and stole their iPad, but.
Speaker 2: We don't know, there's no sign. That's what I like,
Speaker 2: because they also found him the next morning. They probably
Speaker 2: if he was saying he was drugged, they probably tested him. Like,
Speaker 2: but if she was okay with this plea and that,
Speaker 2: like she did really feel that he was crazed, and
Speaker 2: it wasn't a personal attack, like it was out of character,
Speaker 2: There wasn't direct motive. What if someone what if a
Speaker 2: big man opened the door, like and he got his
Speaker 2: ass kicked, you know, like it was she shouldn't have
Speaker 2: opened the door. Not to blame the victim, no, no, but
Speaker 2: like I don't open hotel.
Speaker 1: I don't even like I guess it's like in his hallucination,
Speaker 1: he might have thought, this is a person who robbed me,
Speaker 1: This is a person who is fucking with me.
Speaker 3: But like you're not worried.
Speaker 1: I wos like you're definitely on something, right, I know
Speaker 1: the drugs aren't found.
Speaker 2: I want to make I want to know what made
Speaker 2: her open the door, Like was it the most like
Speaker 2: did she just open like did she order room service?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like it was between the way that room
Speaker 1: service is going knock knock and the way a psycho
Speaker 1: naked man trying to assault you is probably knocking on
Speaker 1: your door. Right, don't those sound different? She's from North Carolina.
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows. It's just like it's fucked up.
Speaker 1: I would never blame this person.
Speaker 2: It could happen to anybody, but I am just like
Speaker 2: teens were playing pranks and I called downstairs, going, I
Speaker 2: don't like this knocking.
Speaker 3: I'm like, maybe it's because I'm so.
Speaker 1: High, and like, yeah, because I could have maybe just
Speaker 1: opened her door to see what the noise was and
Speaker 1: he barged in. You know, like, who knows. I'm certainly
Speaker 1: not blaming her. It's just like, yeah, it's a weird case.
Speaker 1: I don't know. And is this guy a violent maniac?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: The only thing that turns me off is that they're
Speaker 2: the must like the people that had his back didn't
Speaker 2: acknowledge that like someone.
Speaker 1: Was Yeah, and it's probably traumatized. I mean, like that's horrible.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for telling me about that. I truly
Speaker 1: knew nothing. And that is a very clear ripped from
Speaker 1: the headline's case, very clear.
Speaker 3: Very ripped.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we have and our guest is ripped. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't you beat me to that.
Speaker 3: But stay right there.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back with our awesome guests.
Speaker 3: Okay, guys.
Speaker 1: Today's guest is an actor who has had some truly
Speaker 1: diverse roles. He was a regular on the show Black Sales,
Speaker 1: He's been an Agents of Shield, and he even got
Speaker 1: to play Joan Cusack's very kinky lover on Shameless. But
Speaker 1: you know him today as the flute playing possible criminal
Speaker 1: Anton Krasnikoff. Please enjoy our hang session with the very
Speaker 1: cool Zach McGowan.
Speaker 3: With all of U sv you, I don't know if
Speaker 3: how familiar.
Speaker 2: You know, they find a dead body, something always aggressive happens,
Speaker 2: but you playing the flute is the most wild start
Speaker 2: to any.
Speaker 3: SVU see's history. It has been so requested.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, you gotta do the flute episode and get
Speaker 1: Zach McGowan.
Speaker 3: We were like, yeah, we're working on it, and here
Speaker 3: you are.
Speaker 4: It was like the strangest thing in the world doing
Speaker 4: that flute thing. Like I had been just playing like
Speaker 4: all these like kind of badass characters and stuff, and
Speaker 4: then I like showed up and like started my flute
Speaker 4: lessons and.
Speaker 5: It was just a blast.
Speaker 4: Like I kept thinking, what is it. It's like Anchorman
Speaker 4: or something. Is it Anchorman with the fluke?
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the jazz flute? Yes, totally. So so wait,
Speaker 3: that's one of the things I was going to ask you, like.
Speaker 1: Did you know how to play the flute? Did you
Speaker 1: they make you take lessons just so you could have
Speaker 1: basic handling skills.
Speaker 3: Like what the deal?
Speaker 5: So it was kind of funny. So no, I don't
Speaker 5: know how to play.
Speaker 4: The flute, and I still don't know how to play
Speaker 4: the flute. But what they did do was uh, I
Speaker 4: mean basically, I guess the real incident was involved of
Speaker 4: a violinist like that was that was the actual you know, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, musical instrument that was you know, this guy
Speaker 4: was it was known for. And they asked me if
Speaker 4: I did that, and I said no, and we were
Speaker 4: planning on I guess, faking that, but then they came
Speaker 4: up with the flute thing and put me with Like
Speaker 4: I mean, basically, I was in a hotel in Lower
Speaker 4: Manhattan with like this jazz flute guy who was awesome,
Speaker 4: and he was just kind of running me down the
Speaker 4: basics and teaching me that piece of the thing. And
Speaker 4: so we just did that piece of it. So I
Speaker 4: don't know how to play like any other flute, you.
Speaker 3: Know, you played it, but you played Yeah.
Speaker 5: But then they had.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think they also made it nice, you know,
Speaker 4: but yeah, it was it was like it was actually funny.
Speaker 4: We shot it at this nightclub. I forget what the
Speaker 4: nightclub is, but I had like it was like Marquee
Speaker 4: or something. I think it was Marquee, Like I'd been
Speaker 4: there a hundred times in my like high school days
Speaker 4: and all that, and all of a sudden, I'm up
Speaker 4: there with these like violinists and it's super dramatic and
Speaker 4: it was fun and it was just it was like
Speaker 4: it was one of those things where I was like,
Speaker 4: all right, I just have to to try my best
Speaker 4: and I get a ton.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was giving very big lord of the
Speaker 1: dance vibes, kind of like you know, like an instrumental
Speaker 1: rock concert almost.
Speaker 3: In a way like that.
Speaker 1: People were so psyched to see you guys, and then
Speaker 1: you're this like sexy internationally result floutest.
Speaker 4: I think it's like, am I in like a I
Speaker 4: think I'm in like a tuxedo with tails or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're in like a pretty fancy outfit, and so
Speaker 1: are the women and it's really like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's a wild opening for us for you,
Speaker 1: and it makes the episode very memorable.
Speaker 3: And that will say that.
Speaker 4: Props to all the women in that who are because
Speaker 4: they're actually awesome violinists like those really they're they're like
Speaker 4: you know, concert you know, whatever the term is. They're
Speaker 4: like real violinists to perform as well as actor actors
Speaker 4: as well. So they were like I was just trying to,
Speaker 4: you know, keep up with them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, does it look I was like, does it
Speaker 5: look absurd? Or is this all right?
Speaker 3: Like you know, And of course.
Speaker 2: Was the Russian accent before after you were cast for this?
Speaker 4: It was a requested I believe the the real person
Speaker 4: was like somewhere, you know, in Eastern Europe was the
Speaker 4: They were basically like, can you do an Eastern Europe
Speaker 4: or Russian accent? And I'd actually never done it in
Speaker 4: another project on TV or in film yet I've since
Speaker 4: done it quite a few times in Yeah, but it
Speaker 4: was the first time and they had to kind of
Speaker 4: like they had never heard it because I got the
Speaker 4: product on offer, so like I was just like showing
Speaker 4: up and going to unveil this guy. You know, but
Speaker 4: you're not Russian?
Speaker 5: Well my yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I'm from New York.
Speaker 1: Well, because we were stalking you on install, you know,
Speaker 1: doing some research and there were a lot of comments
Speaker 1: in Russian and with the accent.
Speaker 3: I was like, I wonder, what's up.
Speaker 4: Well, I think from other projects I've done and maybe
Speaker 4: even s FORU, I do have like a good Russian
Speaker 4: contingent of fans that I see active on you know,
Speaker 4: on the Internet and whatnot. So respect to all my
Speaker 4: Russian fans, and also have a lot of Russian friends
Speaker 4: and my like my brother speaks Russian fluently and stuff.
Speaker 4: So I have I had like a high bar for myself,
Speaker 4: so you know, because I have If you have like
Speaker 4: Russian friends, you know, if your accents crap, they're gonna
Speaker 4: just make fun of you, so you know, so you
Speaker 4: got to try your best at least.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because looking at your IMDb you've got like a
Speaker 1: couple of Anton's andres like maybe it's the long hair.
Speaker 3: You're just like, you.
Speaker 5: Know, whatever they hire me for. I enjoy acting.
Speaker 4: So yeah, sometimes I got to play another Russian.
Speaker 5: Character on Agents of Shield for a long time.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, his name was Anton, and actually they cut
Speaker 4: my hair off to play that Russian.
Speaker 5: He had short hair, so I come off back.
Speaker 2: You know, and you prefer long hair, like you and
Speaker 2: then they make you cut it or you grew it
Speaker 2: out for no.
Speaker 4: I mean I I initially grew it out when I
Speaker 4: was just doing voiceover work and stuff and it didn't
Speaker 4: really matter. And I had a kid, and then I
Speaker 4: got cast with like a long hair roll and then
Speaker 4: people know me as having long hair. Except most of
Speaker 4: my life, my friends know me as the dude with
Speaker 4: the shaved head.
Speaker 5: So it's you know, it's it's like, it's just hair.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's it's great hair. Yeah's say it's a signature.
Speaker 1: It's a signature of yours. Now, the long hair, I'm.
Speaker 4: Going to shave it off for the you know, so
Speaker 4: that people stop using plastics.
Speaker 5: I just saw that Momoa did that, so I'm going
Speaker 5: to do it too. Oh no, I just choke it.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 3: The new challenge.
Speaker 5: My kids. My kids have too much fun braiding it
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 4: I have three daughters, so they just like I should
Speaker 4: have come in full braids.
Speaker 5: I could have.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: See, I have a son who will not stop pulling
Speaker 1: my hair, so I consider shaving it all the time.
Speaker 5: There you go, I have.
Speaker 4: A son too. He likes to pull my hair too.
Speaker 4: They braid more. Some knots in there too.
Speaker 3: Did you always plan on having tons of kids? Uh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I always knew I wanted kids.
Speaker 4: I come from three, a family of three, and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, if my kids had my parents had stopped
Speaker 4: it one or two, I wouldn't be around.
Speaker 5: So I and I think that, like it's like it's
Speaker 5: good to give.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like it's easier to have two dogs
Speaker 4: than one dog because if if you have one dog,
Speaker 4: then you're the other.
Speaker 5: Dog, you know, like the place of dog.
Speaker 4: So it's that like I think, I think I really
Speaker 4: benefit from that. Like my kids just like all play together,
Speaker 4: and I can just watch with a cold beer.
Speaker 5: Don't don't don't pull it, don't pull his hair. You know.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's really nice because I have two and it's
Speaker 1: like breaking me. So I'm kind of like, wow, how
Speaker 1: do you do four? But then people tell me that
Speaker 1: one to two is a huge difference, But then three four,
Speaker 1: it's like, are we have the same agent? Me and
Speaker 1: Lisa and she goes The third's like a house cat, like.
Speaker 4: You don't even know, like once you live in the madness.
Speaker 4: You live in the madness, so yeah, yeah, then you
Speaker 4: know it's just.
Speaker 3: One what's one more? Two more?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm from six kids, so I know the madness too.
Speaker 5: Here you go, but you're serious, that's serious.
Speaker 3: Six is it's it's mentally ill a little bit. But
Speaker 3: I saw TBT. You've been with your wife for so long?
Speaker 4: Yeah, since like I mean the millennium, you know, like
Speaker 4: since that happened, you know.
Speaker 5: Like half book.
Speaker 4: Actually we realized we were just now over half our
Speaker 4: life with each other, just you know, like where yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: because we were We got together when we were when
Speaker 4: I was twenty and she was nineteen.
Speaker 3: So oh my gosh, I'm.
Speaker 5: Forty two and she's about to turn forty two.
Speaker 4: So we we realized we were like, wait a second,
Speaker 4: we've been together longer than yeah, then.
Speaker 1: We haven't been together. Yeah, wow, incredible, long time, long time.
Speaker 1: What's the secret?
Speaker 5: I have?
Speaker 4: No I offer, no, you know, I'm not an expert.
Speaker 4: I just somehow, like you know, fell into this and
Speaker 4: it's worked, and you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's yeah.
Speaker 4: I try my best. I also make dinner lot. That's
Speaker 4: a big one.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 3: Oh I love that. Yeah, I love.
Speaker 1: That's help special dish? What's your go to great dish?
Speaker 4: I mean I eat a lot of just meat and vegetables,
Speaker 4: so just like different different preparations of different meats and
Speaker 4: fishes and different vegetables. I also have a vegetable garden,
Speaker 4: so that also maybe maybe she keeps me around for.
Speaker 5: That one too.
Speaker 3: Yeah a farmer really.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Actually we moved out into we live like on six
Speaker 4: acres now, like outside of a city, and it's it's
Speaker 4: really nice, like.
Speaker 3: We are you outside of New York City or outside
Speaker 3: of Los.
Speaker 4: Angeles, outside of LA kind of between between LA and
Speaker 4: San Diego and the mountains.
Speaker 3: Oh nice, nice, really nice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we we loved it.
Speaker 4: We're here like a year and a half now and
Speaker 4: we're like, oh, this is how maybe you're supposed to live.
Speaker 5: Like I grew up.
Speaker 4: I grew up very tight, you know, two better apartment
Speaker 4: in New York and that was awesome too, but like
Speaker 4: I don't know, like my kids are out here like
Speaker 4: catching frogs and it's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally different.
Speaker 5: They're like I just picked an apple and I'm like, great,
Speaker 5: eat the apple.
Speaker 1: Wow. So so you were born and raised in New
Speaker 1: York City. I think I saw you went to Fields,
Speaker 1: did Yes?
Speaker 5: Yes? Cool?
Speaker 1: And and so was it cool to get on Law
Speaker 1: and Order because it's such a New Yorker show, Like
Speaker 1: it's such a New York you know, institution.
Speaker 4: So it's so funny because right, it's like the joke
Speaker 4: is every actor's like auditioned a hundred times for Law
Speaker 4: and Order, and especially like a New York actor like myself.
Speaker 4: I'm from New York, but like when I was acting
Speaker 4: in New York, I was like so low on the
Speaker 4: totem pole there that like I wasn't getting any any
Speaker 4: auditions for you know, Law and Order and whatnot. So
Speaker 4: I actually never auditioned for anything Law and Order and
Speaker 4: the only time it ever was in my life is
Speaker 4: this other than the fact that I love watching it,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, yeah, it's cool, and I you know,
Speaker 4: like I don't know. It's like Ice was like I'm
Speaker 4: been a fan of his since I was like a
Speaker 4: little kid, and he.
Speaker 5: Was awesome and he couldn't be like more as you
Speaker 5: hope he would be, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Yes, he's just so awesome and he's also like my
Speaker 4: new favorite person to follow on Twitter. He's just like
Speaker 4: his his like truth, yes, exactly, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Coach Ice is on there dropping knowledge bombs like
Speaker 1: every day.
Speaker 2: Any particular story or like fact that he dropped on
Speaker 2: set that you remember, any fun we heard.
Speaker 1: He talks a lot about signing your own checks. He
Speaker 1: told some people that, Yeah.
Speaker 4: He's he's very entrepreneurial and and very like, you know,
Speaker 4: hustle hustle, and I love that. He was also like,
Speaker 4: I was lucky he was a big Black Sales fan
Speaker 4: and that was the show I had just finished, right,
Speaker 4: so like I could kind of do no wrong, you know,
Speaker 4: because he you know, it's like when you when you
Speaker 4: come on a show, like you're either like you know,
Speaker 4: just some guy who just you know, they either you know,
Speaker 4: just like oh this is ay, or.
Speaker 5: If you're lucky, they might know you from something.
Speaker 4: And I've had the lucky experience of guesting a lot
Speaker 4: on shows where someone likes something I've done in the past,
Speaker 4: and it's just like you're like immediately in the club,
Speaker 4: you don't have to like, as long as you know
Speaker 4: your lines, you're gonna be fine.
Speaker 5: You know. Yeah, it's one of those you know, but
Speaker 5: he was super cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he dropped a lot of I mean one of
Speaker 4: one of it, like just his his approach to acting
Speaker 4: is pretty cool too, Like he's like, I'm not acting
Speaker 4: and he's just like making it. You know, He's like
Speaker 4: making it work at the moment, which actually I really like.
Speaker 4: I've you know, like it's it's weird to say, but
Speaker 4: he was kind of similar to working with Joan Cusack
Speaker 4: in that way, because she like makes it work in
Speaker 4: her own way, like you know what I mean, in
Speaker 4: a different way than like some actors do, like where
Speaker 4: they'll be very some actors are very like script script,
Speaker 4: you know, they're like on this script and nothing else,
Speaker 4: and some are like, we have to figure out how
Speaker 4: to make this work.
Speaker 5: And they're both like that, which is cool. I like that.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Well do you know Joan is an s Vulm.
Speaker 5: I'm sure she's like, you know, what has Joan done?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, I'm a big shameless person, so I'm
Speaker 2: glad that you brought up Joan before I did. But
Speaker 2: I loved your guys' relationship on that show.
Speaker 3: So wacky, so dirty, Yes, and so many.
Speaker 2: Alums Jeremy Allen White, Ethan Cameron Man, like Steve Howie.
Speaker 1: They've all done SVU. So I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: ever chatted with them about it or.
Speaker 2: It's come up or you've seen them and just I
Speaker 2: loved the twisted Joan Cusack storyline.
Speaker 3: It was so good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that was that was so cool obviously,
Speaker 4: I mean I came on as a guest star and
Speaker 4: then that just grew into what it was.
Speaker 5: And you know, that's always.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like your hope every time you are
Speaker 4: in a guest star, except when you're in SVU and
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, I go to the jail at the
Speaker 4: end of this one. Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, And
Speaker 4: I'm you know, I actually don't really like this guy
Speaker 4: all that much. I should go to jail probably, even
Speaker 4: though like he played the flute nicely.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think most people and s or happy
Speaker 1: to kind of like say goodbye after a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks to their character.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, although I mean, you know, listen, if you know,
Speaker 4: if they're out there listening, you cut this hair. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I am from New York. There's a lot of cops
Speaker 5: in my family.
Speaker 1: It's all I'm saying, you know, Oh, they bring people
Speaker 1: back all the time, and they won't even care about
Speaker 1: cutting your hair. They'll just bring you back looking exactly
Speaker 1: the same and call you something different.
Speaker 3: They do that all the time.
Speaker 5: That's what I've heard.
Speaker 1: I've heard that what would be what would be a
Speaker 1: dream role if you came back to sv what would
Speaker 1: you like to be? Would you just to be like
Speaker 1: a psycho killer or like a no?
Speaker 4: Honestly, like I I've always wanted to be a detective.
Speaker 5: I'm always playing one. I've never gotten to play one
Speaker 5: on TV.
Speaker 4: That would be something that I really love to try
Speaker 4: to to do in my life. I've gotten to do
Speaker 4: it in movies like where I've played kind of like
Speaker 4: investigative type roles which are really fun and you know,
Speaker 4: be fun to do on a TV show one day.
Speaker 4: Although I do play a good criminal of a week
Speaker 4: two so.
Speaker 5: I do that well.
Speaker 2: And Lindsey you're a co star, the one in the
Speaker 2: bob Wigs. She's been a guest on the pod. Do
Speaker 2: you guys have we did?
Speaker 5: I had? You know, I had a blast. I mean
Speaker 5: it was it was.
Speaker 4: You're shooting SVU in New York And also I mean
Speaker 4: it's crazy, it's like they shoot in the Chelsea Piers
Speaker 4: studio there where, Like I used to play ice hockey
Speaker 4: in the Inky Ye and like the Skyrink, but I
Speaker 4: played in Chelsea Piers when it was skyrink there. But
Speaker 4: also like when it was skyrink on the thirty second
Speaker 4: floor of a building like twenty blocks away from there,
Speaker 4: and it's like all of a sudden, You're like showing
Speaker 4: up to work at that studio and Skyrink's right there,
Speaker 4: and I'm like connecting it all to New York and
Speaker 4: they have me staying.
Speaker 5: You know. It's like I have families still in New
Speaker 5: York and went not but a lot of them live
Speaker 5: in Long Island.
Speaker 4: And like when I I feel like I when I
Speaker 4: go to New York the most is when I'm like
Speaker 4: working on a New York TV show and then I'm
Speaker 4: like back living in the city and you know, yeah
Speaker 4: getting a bacon, egg and cheese on the corner, and
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: Have the kids come back? Have you brought them to
Speaker 3: New York? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they they've They've seen it all.
Speaker 4: They they love New York pizza and uh, you know,
Speaker 4: and Grace for Paia hot Dogs which is still there.
Speaker 5: Grace for hot Dogs are still there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm from like Chicago Land area and hot dogs are
Speaker 2: just better.
Speaker 3: There we got, here we go.
Speaker 5: I agree.
Speaker 4: I agree that a vann and beef hot dogs, all
Speaker 4: this stuff can't be beaten. But there is the simplicity
Speaker 4: of this, like the dirty water dog in New York,
Speaker 4: just a quick, quick, little snack.
Speaker 1: So now this segues into a question I have for you,
Speaker 1: because you know you're very physically fit, you have four kids.
Speaker 3: What's going on? What's the what's the regimen here?
Speaker 1: You're not eating dirty hot dogs every day, dirty water
Speaker 1: hot dogs every day.
Speaker 5: Believe it or not.
Speaker 4: I do eat a lot of uh stuff that you
Speaker 4: wouldn't kind of think. I I just always kind of
Speaker 4: maintained a certain like you know, fitness line with which
Speaker 4: I kind of just operate and I do a lot
Speaker 4: of like inner minute fasting is something that I've been
Speaker 4: doing now. I've been doing that now for like twenty
Speaker 4: five years. Though, Like I developed that, like I developed
Speaker 4: that on my own, just knowing that like if I
Speaker 4: went longer periods and then ate what I wanted, I
Speaker 4: could satiate what it is, you know, I could satiate
Speaker 4: whatever craving I was having while still you know, going
Speaker 4: that distance and knowing that I wasn't going to you know,
Speaker 4: put more in than I was taking out, which is
Speaker 4: kind of like this simple way I've thought of money,
Speaker 4: my whole life and just everything.
Speaker 5: I kind of like, I I think things.
Speaker 4: Are a lot simpler, and that like we are just
Speaker 4: like overthink the entire world like and that we're just
Speaker 4: like our worst enemies, and so I just try to
Speaker 4: keep it simple. I'm like, all right, well, if I
Speaker 4: don't eat until after five o'clock today and I'm pretty
Speaker 4: physically active that day, and you know, I also work out, definitely,
Speaker 4: I'm going to be in a good play and then
Speaker 4: I'll just eat whatever I want because I'll be hungry,
Speaker 4: and then just drink a lot of water and also
Speaker 4: lots of light beer.
Speaker 5: Also, I do.
Speaker 3: Keeping it light. I'm a light beer fan. I'm a
Speaker 3: bud light girl.
Speaker 1: But are you like michelob Ultra, do you go as
Speaker 1: low as you can go with those.
Speaker 3: Cows or what?
Speaker 5: I just know not at all.
Speaker 4: I just like I like watery light beer, like I like,
Speaker 4: you know, like cors light, bud light, yes, Millery life
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 1: Is like what beer tastes like. I'm like, that is
Speaker 1: beer light, Watery beer is beer and people are like, no,
Speaker 1: I like IPA. I'm like, that's to me a different
Speaker 1: beverage so heavy, it's too heavy, It's got a million
Speaker 1: different I feel like I'm eating leaves and for like
Speaker 1: like moss, like, I just want something that tastes like beer.
Speaker 1: And I get so made fun of because you know,
Speaker 1: like the micro brew movement is like huge, and everybody
Speaker 1: has all these fancy beers, and I'm like Bud Light,
Speaker 1: Corse Light, Miller Light, like High Life, any of that
Speaker 1: stuff any day for me.
Speaker 4: I literally have a refrigerator just full of different kinds
Speaker 4: of light beer, and I have like a whole selection.
Speaker 4: I have like Mexican light beer, right, and you like,
Speaker 4: I have like American light beer, and I've got, you know,
Speaker 4: one of the best light beers by the ways, the
Speaker 4: Japanese light beers.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, those are those on a whole nother level.
Speaker 1: So good with sushi too, Like just a nice light
Speaker 1: beer with sushi.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah. I mean to me, I think like I
Speaker 5: don't think you know.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know alcohol is bad for you, and
Speaker 4: if you drink too much of it, it's.
Speaker 5: Tough to you. But I've never found it to be
Speaker 5: a problem. And I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm forty two. I stay in pretty good shape. I
Speaker 4: run a lot, I do pull ups a lot. I
Speaker 4: do you know, I'm always just I just know, like
Speaker 4: I show up on at work all the time and
Speaker 4: they're like, hey, Sue, you're not wearing any clothing for this,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, okay, you know. I mean that's just
Speaker 4: kind of part of the giga being an actor. I
Speaker 4: mean even on s for You, they were like, you're
Speaker 4: going to answer the door shirtless, like you just woke
Speaker 4: up and they're at the door, and I was like.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite stories.
Speaker 2: So our friend Langston had a scene in the show
Speaker 2: Insecure where his like he's his butt's out and he's
Speaker 2: pretty naked and he worked out hard and then someone
Speaker 2: came up to him and goes, man, thank you for
Speaker 2: representing a regular body on TV.
Speaker 3: He's like, it worked out so hard. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: I do love that scene where you come to the
Speaker 1: door and you're like, did you guys find my flute?
Speaker 3: And like you have why they're there?
Speaker 4: I know, I just played that like because what I
Speaker 4: did because they we didn't. You know.
Speaker 5: When I'd ask, I'd be like, so did he do
Speaker 5: this or he didn't do this, and they'd.
Speaker 4: Be like oh, and I'd be like, well, I was
Speaker 4: just like I'm just gonna play it like if he did,
Speaker 4: he has no recollection of it, right, you know, like
Speaker 4: he's got maybe some sort of drug issue and he
Speaker 4: blacks out and he takes who knows what, percocetes or
Speaker 4: something and he's blacked out and he ran down the
Speaker 4: hallway who knows.
Speaker 5: So I played it like that. So he was just like,
Speaker 5: you don't my flute.
Speaker 1: You know, I totally forgot about all that footage of
Speaker 1: you running in the hallway naked.
Speaker 3: They must have made you shoot that separate. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was just running around a hallway of a hotel
Speaker 4: in Manhattan.
Speaker 5: Like they didn't even have it close.
Speaker 4: There was like random people walking down the hallway.
Speaker 3: Really, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: That's like one of those moments where you're like, this
Speaker 1: is my career, this is how I'm supporting my family.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: I have a lot of those moments, you know, just
Speaker 4: you know, you're just like you're standing somewhere or like
Speaker 4: I do a lot of like physical I just did
Speaker 4: a couple of Westerns, and like recently I was just
Speaker 4: like I was on this horse and it was like
Speaker 4: lost its footing on like this very rocky slope and
Speaker 4: it was just like sliding down this slope like uncontrollably.
Speaker 4: And I was like, this is my life, this is
Speaker 4: what I do. I guess horse.
Speaker 2: Wait, any other things you remember that you think our
Speaker 2: listeners would love tidbits from your time working on this show.
Speaker 5: I regret to say, I can't remember the director's name.
Speaker 5: What was his name?
Speaker 3: Michael Pressman, Yes.
Speaker 5: Michael Pressman. So he was really awesome.
Speaker 4: He's like a just a veteran director. You know, you
Speaker 4: look at this, you know, he just did everything. One
Speaker 4: of the things I always like to do when I
Speaker 4: work with like veterans in the industry. I just asked them, like,
Speaker 4: you know, what was your biggest mistake? You know, as
Speaker 4: was I was just when I'm working with people, like
Speaker 4: you know, you work with a big actor.
Speaker 5: You just go like, what was your biggest mistake?
Speaker 3: And such a good question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just just to see, like, you know, where
Speaker 4: they really felt like they could have taken a different
Speaker 4: trajectory or done something even better or whatever. And Michael
Speaker 4: was like, man, back in the eighties, I got this
Speaker 4: script from my Buddy dan Ackroyd about these crazy guys
Speaker 4: running around Manhattan believed in ghosts and they were shooting
Speaker 4: electric laser beams or something at them, and I was like.
Speaker 5: What the fuck is this?
Speaker 4: And I passed on directing it. It was Ghostbusters, and
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what I mean, and like,
Speaker 4: those stories are like the things that make me like.
Speaker 5: Do everything as an actor, like because I can't.
Speaker 4: Like almost every every one of those I've heard from directors,
Speaker 4: actress producers is from something they thought they were too
Speaker 4: good to do, like they were like you know, and
Speaker 4: then it was this it turned in and and so
Speaker 4: I just like when people are like, why did you
Speaker 4: do this silly thing, I'm like, well, one, I have
Speaker 4: children and I take care of.
Speaker 5: Them this way.
Speaker 4: But two was how am I supposed to know if
Speaker 4: it was going to be awesome or not? Like yeah,
Speaker 4: I just it's like words on a page when it
Speaker 4: gets to me, like.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, you never know what's going to like
Speaker 1: fully pop off, because yeah, Ghostbusters could have sounded insane
Speaker 1: and like too crazy back then, but wow, he actually
Speaker 1: Michael Pressman is going to do our podcast.
Speaker 3: You should I've just.
Speaker 5: Taken his best story then I'm just Nike.
Speaker 3: Sorry. We'll ask him about it.
Speaker 1: We'll ask Hi about it when we we're just trying
Speaker 1: to figure out the right episode to.
Speaker 5: Have him on for.
Speaker 1: But uh wait, can I ask you saying so.
Speaker 3: I know that this.
Speaker 1: I know Wikipedia is full of lies a lot of
Speaker 1: the time, but Wikipedia does say that you are cousins
Speaker 1: with Rose McGowan.
Speaker 3: Is that true or false?
Speaker 4: I mean I have never met Rose, and in my family,
Speaker 4: we would love to meet Rose. I'm a big fan
Speaker 4: of a lot of stuff she's done, and you know,
Speaker 4: she's always out there, so I would I'd happily meet her.
Speaker 4: But I know I'm not her cousin.
Speaker 5: I've never even met her.
Speaker 1: Funny, Wikipedia is full of garbage, but also full of
Speaker 1: a lot of facts.
Speaker 5: It's hard, it's so funny.
Speaker 4: Like a lot of times I find myself I mean,
Speaker 4: you guys didn't play but like you know, I'll just
Speaker 4: be at like someone's house and they're just like they'll
Speaker 4: just be reading like facts about me online and I'm
Speaker 4: like news to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And because I don't know.
Speaker 4: Like I guess some people like spend a lot of
Speaker 4: time trying to make sure everything is perfect out there.
Speaker 4: I'm just like, I don't know, there's like pictures of
Speaker 4: me naked, so am I gonna do?
Speaker 3: That's it?
Speaker 5: We will guess worse than that.
Speaker 3: Like, oh my god. I was like, Rose is in
Speaker 3: a wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's in an iconic SPU episode. So that's why
Speaker 1: the only reason I was really concerned. I normally wouldn't
Speaker 1: be like, do you have any famous relative.
Speaker 2: She's like dating her brother and their grifters and they
Speaker 2: were at a sex club together, tricking like regular men
Speaker 2: into giving their life savings to Rose McGowan.
Speaker 3: It's like, pretty good.
Speaker 4: I really want to watch this episode now, this is like, yeah,
Speaker 4: this is the best one.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like become a Wikipedia editor so that I
Speaker 1: can go take that off of your Wikipedia.
Speaker 3: I think I think.
Speaker 4: They've closed that out now, like you have you have
Speaker 4: to have already been a Wikipedia I was trying. I
Speaker 4: was like, maybe I should be able to say something
Speaker 4: about my own page, and they were like, what do
Speaker 4: you I Basically the response was.
Speaker 5: Like, what do you know about Zach McGowan. I was like,
Speaker 5: clearly nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, never well, if you know this could be a source,
Speaker 1: this is a source. Now you on this podcast, So
Speaker 1: somebody if you're listening to this podcast and you're Wikipedia editor,
Speaker 1: you got to get over and say is not related
Speaker 1: to Rose McGowan and then list us as a footnote?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Is that? Is that how it works? Now?
Speaker 4: Like this is a primary source now right, because this
Speaker 4: is me saying it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: Do you have anything like coming up that you want
Speaker 1: our listeners besides correcting your Wikipedia other things our listeners
Speaker 1: should be checking out about you?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I'm always doing you know, I'm always doing
Speaker 4: new indie movies and TV projects. I got a couple
Speaker 4: indie movie one out right now called Murder Yellowstone City.
Speaker 5: That's oh yeah, it's always fun.
Speaker 4: I always check to pug plug those because they don't
Speaker 4: get advertising.
Speaker 5: Indies don't really get advertising unless you plug them. Because
Speaker 5: that's just like how it works.
Speaker 1: And is that streaming like where people watatch streaming?
Speaker 4: You can get that on Amazon or Apple or pretty
Speaker 4: much anywhere.
Speaker 5: I got another one coming out.
Speaker 4: Uh in a little while, but that's they haven't released that,
Speaker 4: so I can't tell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 4: And then another one actually, another one coming out in October,
Speaker 4: and then one.
Speaker 6: In January awesome, and then some TV stuff you know,
Speaker 6: that's out there, but it's now like nowadays, it's like
Speaker 6: all in the ether and you know, like I don't
Speaker 6: even know because you can't.
Speaker 5: It's like one of my problems.
Speaker 4: With TV right now is like I I feel like
Speaker 4: I have to have like seventy five different subscriptions, and
Speaker 4: I was like, whatever happened to this?
Speaker 5: I want the cable box?
Speaker 4: Can they make the cable I'll go back, It'll go
Speaker 4: full circle again.
Speaker 2: They're gonna because now they're all buying each other. I
Speaker 2: feel like we have a couple more years to wear back.
Speaker 5: And then we'll just have a box and they'll have all.
Speaker 3: The time and you can buy again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can buy premium whatever. I want this one.
Speaker 4: I want HBO, I want the Yeah.
Speaker 1: Everybody keeps telling me all this stuff that's so good
Speaker 1: to watch on Apple Plus and that's like the only
Speaker 1: one I don't pay for, and I'm like, I refuse
Speaker 1: to just pay for every single one. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: we're you out on all these good shows.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like you have two kids, like I have
Speaker 5: four kids.
Speaker 4: Like you look at it and you're like, am I
Speaker 4: really going to spend like four hundred dollars on subscriptions
Speaker 4: to all these things this year, like this this month,
Speaker 4: or am I going to like buy my kid a
Speaker 4: new bike this month?
Speaker 5: Instead?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is there anything that you've done that your kids have
Speaker 2: been able to watch?
Speaker 5: There?
Speaker 4: There are a few. I did a show called thee
Speaker 4: hundred on the CW that is PG. Thirteen, and I
Speaker 4: played like a King and they got to watch that,
Speaker 4: and or at least my two older ones got to
Speaker 4: watch that. And then I did a Scorpion King movie
Speaker 4: I did and that's PG. Thirteen and and they got
Speaker 4: to watch that as well. So according to them, I
Speaker 4: always play kings. But meanwhile, that's not you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, that's just what they've seen. And I'm actually
Speaker 4: telling and I'm like terrified because like, you know, they're
Speaker 4: getting big, and I'm like, all right, So when when
Speaker 4: does she want to watch Shameless?
Speaker 5: And when when is it? When is it okay?
Speaker 4: When is it okay to let one's daughter watch Shameless?
Speaker 1: Like? Yeah, when is it okay to see her dad
Speaker 1: do a six flute solo?
Speaker 3: But then maybe assault someone? We don't know? But were
Speaker 3: they into it? They like loved I'm sure.
Speaker 5: Oh well the hundred Day, my oldest really loved it.
Speaker 4: And what's funny is they already knew like most of
Speaker 4: the cast who like come over and play with.
Speaker 5: Them, and they were like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: You know that was experience for them, and they obviously
Speaker 4: loved it. They loved the Scorpion King movie. Wait, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean it's just like it's fantasy.
Speaker 5: So they loved that.
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm sure they'll get to watch at
Speaker 4: some point they can sit down and watch. I mean,
Speaker 4: I have this like drawer with literally everything, Like I
Speaker 4: have the SVU episode like on DVD as well, like
Speaker 4: I try to get yeah even now, I'll take things
Speaker 4: and I'll burn them off onto DVD, so I have
Speaker 4: like a physical copy of it because I feel like
Speaker 4: it's like it's my work, right yeah, Like and then
Speaker 4: I have Now there's like a drawer and one day,
Speaker 4: you know, my great grandkids can figure out how to
Speaker 4: play a DVD and watch.
Speaker 3: You know, they can go to.
Speaker 1: An antique shop and find a DVD player and see
Speaker 1: their grand great grandfather's work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're like, this hologram doesn't work. I don't I
Speaker 4: don't know. These glasses don't take me to the metaverse.
Speaker 1: Amazing, Zach, This was so fun, Lisa Day of any
Speaker 1: other last minute questions, No, this was so fun. Thanks
Speaker 1: was great, Thank you so much. I had fun bud
Speaker 1: light friends. He's cool. He's cool. Yeah, I like his
Speaker 1: dad style, light beer, let the kids hang out, braid
Speaker 1: your hair. He's fun and I love that he's like, listen,
Speaker 1: they always just tell me to take my shirt off
Speaker 1: at work, so gotta keep it tight.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does have like no sign of dad bod,
Speaker 1: no sight of dad bod for that guy at all.
Speaker 3: He's living a dream life.
Speaker 2: I really, it's really cool to meet people that you
Speaker 2: like from shows.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, And he was just like a
Speaker 1: fund and he seems like he's really just like so
Speaker 1: grateful for like all the acting opportunities he's had, and
Speaker 1: like just a cool guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I hope I run into him. I'd love to cheer
Speaker 2: some nice light beers with him. And yes, watch him
Speaker 2: do pull ups. Okay, what's our post mortem? From maternal instincts?
Speaker 1: Like we we we feel for Rollin's like when you
Speaker 1: have like a crazy mom or a crazy sibling like
Speaker 1: that can be really I mean, my mom and sister
Speaker 1: are not crazy. My dad's a little crazy, but like,
Speaker 1: just this poor fucking woman is just like a pregnant
Speaker 1: SVU detective.
Speaker 3: She's got enough going on.
Speaker 1: Can we just not start getting into trouble when she's
Speaker 1: in her third trimester?
Speaker 3: Please? Like let her.
Speaker 1: I wish that Kim could just yeah, like I said,
Speaker 1: go turn tricks in Philadelphia, go to DC. There's plenty
Speaker 1: of other places you can be a sex worker.
Speaker 2: No, they get off on ruining her life and attention.
Speaker 2: But it's honestly like Rollin shouldn't have her back the
Speaker 2: moment she saw the footage. She should have they should
Speaker 2: have gone and arrested her sister. Like it's kind of like,
Speaker 2: you know what's gonna happen. This has been happening for decades.
Speaker 2: This isn't the first time she's set you up before,
Speaker 2: Like what.
Speaker 1: Are you doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I really don't understand that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the chances and the chances. But I bet you people
Speaker 1: that are listening that are like I have a toxic
Speaker 1: sister or like a toxic mom, Like I have given
Speaker 1: them chance after a chance after chance, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I think you eventually have to get to a point
Speaker 1: where you're like the chances are done.
Speaker 2: But let's say this wasn't television, she would not have
Speaker 2: a job anymore. Robin's right, like, you're okay, so you're
Speaker 2: pregnant and now you're you're don't have a job.
Speaker 3: Are you proud? Like I it's it eventually, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like the thing about your boat, Like you can't
Speaker 1: help someone if your boat is like you have to
Speaker 1: make sure your boat is floating before you bring more
Speaker 1: people into your boat. Yeah, but you can't just be
Speaker 1: thinking before you help somebody else get their mask on
Speaker 1: on the plane.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so anyway, but an amazing episode.
Speaker 3: And if you're staying in hotel and.
Speaker 1: You get a knock, that is not like just your
Speaker 1: friend coming over, Like, let's use our peopoles. Everybody, they're
Speaker 1: there for a reason, Like everybody check your not victim blaming,
Speaker 1: just saying everybody make sure it's not a drunk, drugged
Speaker 1: violinist banging down your I mean violinist or or floutist
Speaker 1: banging down your door. And also also I learned I
Speaker 1: got to go to a flute concert. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: love to hear from people that have been a sort
Speaker 1: of fun jazzy rock flute concert or Belladonna kind of concert,
Speaker 1: and if you know of what drugs would somebody would
Speaker 1: slip you that would make you so violent to attack
Speaker 1: other people. Besides, like basalts, I just don't know why
Speaker 1: you would give someone that if you were trying to
Speaker 1: rob them.
Speaker 2: No, and even the real case, it's like nothing was
Speaker 2: found in your system, so like what is it?
Speaker 1: But like for him too, it's like what could somebody
Speaker 1: give you that knocks you out and that when you
Speaker 1: wake up you're in a amnesic rage way.
Speaker 2: You told me ambient and alcohol does that? I did remember,
Speaker 2: because you gave me an ambien to go to Australia. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you were really strict with me. You're like, you
Speaker 2: take it right when you want to go to bed
Speaker 2: and don't fight you not and don't and do not
Speaker 2: fight it? Yeah, or crazy shit happens. And usually when
Speaker 2: people lose it on planes, it's ambient and alcohol.
Speaker 1: No, yes, I agree, But he passed out first. That's
Speaker 1: what's so weird. It's like whatever she gave you made
Speaker 1: you pass out then made you rise up hours late.
Speaker 3: That's not ambient and go.
Speaker 1: Nuts, No, go crazy and go nuts because you are
Speaker 1: fighting it and your mind's like doing crazy things so
Speaker 1: you never do.
Speaker 3: The sleep and you just go crazy.
Speaker 5: Damn.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because so it really strict with me.
Speaker 1: You were like, dude, Yeah, like I put my sleep
Speaker 1: mask on as I took it, because I'm not really
Speaker 1: a pill popper, you know, and I'm not either, and
Speaker 1: I am literally just taken ambient on a couple of
Speaker 1: like you know, ten plus hour flights, and I just
Speaker 1: tell people, I'm like, don't take it and watch a movie.
Speaker 1: Don't take it, and like, you know, try to read
Speaker 1: a book. It's like, take it to close your eyes
Speaker 1: and go to sleep. And it really does work. But
Speaker 1: if you fight it, you get like ambient crime, ambient shopping,
Speaker 1: all the crazy ambient.
Speaker 2: Shit you hear about. Yeah, hopefully there's some pharmacists listening.
Speaker 2: Lee's brothers pharmacist. Maybe I'll ask him.
Speaker 1: We should that king of that King of the red carpet,
Speaker 1: we should ask him.
Speaker 2: I cannot wait to see him again and talk about
Speaker 2: that carpet. I think he knew like that press tour
Speaker 2: had been such a mess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, darlings, don't do your darlings, what does it. Don't
Speaker 1: worry darling, don't worry darling.
Speaker 2: And it was like, I just love that he came
Speaker 2: in with like none of that drama in his body
Speaker 2: or being and just like enjoyed the moment and had
Speaker 2: fun and like it's probably so funny in the.
Speaker 1: Q and A, and just everybody knows what we're talking about, Asifal,
Speaker 1: who we both know through stand up is in that
Speaker 1: movie a very funny actor person, a great actor. He
Speaker 1: went on the Red carpet just in all stuff he
Speaker 1: got from Goodwill, which I fucking I stand.
Speaker 3: I think that's so.
Speaker 1: Fun and cool and like, who are you wearing? I
Speaker 1: don't know, I found it a Goodwill who cares? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that's you know, Nikki Glazer does that.
Speaker 1: She does good Will shopping for her performance stresses. Oh
Speaker 1: really yeah cool, she.
Speaker 2: Just goes to a town and gets a dress or
Speaker 2: like gets some dresses for sheep.
Speaker 3: I think Whitney Cummings does that too. Oh wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel because if you're on stage every night
Speaker 2: and people are taking photos and you don't want to
Speaker 2: be like fully stylist and looks constantly like it seems
Speaker 2: like Goodwill is a great option.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you need like seventy dresses in a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you can kind of just like bring
Speaker 1: it back to Goodwill after if you want, or like
Speaker 1: donate it to someone.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: You don't have to like keep it. But anyway, this
Speaker 1: was a great bucket. And you know not oh this.
Speaker 1: You know Nikki Glazer a stand up comment. She just
Speaker 1: had vocal surgery and she's like been on vocal rest,
Speaker 1: but she keeps like going out and going to concerts
Speaker 1: and I'm like, how do you.
Speaker 3: How do you not talk? Yell?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: I literally think that I should have gotten my tonsils
Speaker 1: out years ago, and I've talked to a doctor about
Speaker 1: getting them out, and They're like, you'd have to be
Speaker 1: quiet for like two weeks. You'd have to not talk.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't. I can't do it, So
Speaker 1: I guess I'll just have them in forever.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Someone, well, I think it was Lizzie Cooper. Someone told
Speaker 1: me I should go to a silent retreat. And I
Speaker 1: see you as Lizzie. I heard it on your botch,
Speaker 1: on your thought of it, same man, same. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: That is my punishment. If I commit a crime. You
Speaker 1: can either put me in jail or you can send
Speaker 1: me on a long silent retreat and I will have
Speaker 1: learned my lesson and that crime will not be committed again.
Speaker 3: Oh god, this was fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great episode. Let's get into what would Sister Peg do,
Speaker 1: our weekly segment where we give you guys a book, organization, article,
Speaker 1: something to give you more information about we talked about
Speaker 1: this week. Obviously, there's no organizations that deal with you know, floutists,
Speaker 1: assaulting people, or anything like that, but we wanted to
Speaker 1: point out an article featured in Psychology Today called five
Speaker 1: Strategies to Cope with Toxic family Members.
Speaker 3: I know there's a lot of talk.
Speaker 1: Today about toxic people in your life, but I think
Speaker 1: sometimes cope likeing or cutting out a person in your
Speaker 1: family who's toxic is a lot more difficult than just
Speaker 1: like a friend or a lover. So this article is
Speaker 1: written by Abigail Brunner, MD, and not only helps identify
Speaker 1: those toxic traits, but it also has a lot of
Speaker 1: great tips for creating boundaries, not engaging, and limiting your
Speaker 1: contact with that toxic family member. So you can check
Speaker 1: out the article. We have the link in our show
Speaker 1: notes that's on Psychology Today's websites, on our show Notes,
Speaker 1: and as always will be in our WWSPD Highlight on
Speaker 1: our Instagram.
Speaker 3: Thank you for that. I love Psychology today.
Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite magazines to buy out and
Speaker 2: about when I need to be because yeah, Cosmo doesn't
Speaker 2: work for me anymore. Next week we'll be doing Svengali
Speaker 2: Exciting Season nine, episode six. It's a real funky one,
Speaker 2: so stay tuned. Watch it Hulu, Peacock, VPNs. I don't
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