WEBVTT - Maternal Instincts w/ Zach McGowen 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.240 These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:30.080 Done done, Hi everybody, and welcome to That's Messed Up 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:31.400 an SVU podcast. 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:34.120 I'm one of your hosts, Kara Klink, and I'm. 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:38.440 Li'sa Tragger and we talk SVU, we talk crimes, We 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:39.519 have celeb guests. 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:41.000 Today's a good one and. 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.160 Today is a great one. Yeah, and now we chit chat. 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:46.160 And I know I've talked about Lady Gaga so much 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.920 and I truly apologize, But did you watch the video 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.080 of the drag queen at the concert. 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:53.600 It's the best thing I've ever seen. 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.200 Wait, and everybody's following her and she's like, I'm a 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.280 drag queen and they all think she's Lady Gaga. 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.160 Oh my god. That was so funny. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:02.000 But I found one where they zoom in on the 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:04.400 security guard and he was I think he was supposed 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:05.560 to be watching. 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:06.840 No. 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:09.720 I saw a whole like Saint hoax, like the meme 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.720 account did, like a full slideshow of like like the 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.240 reaction of the security guard, like realizing that he's been 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.200 following a drag queen instead of Lady Gagah. 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.880 So good, but I wonder if it's planned, because it was. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.400 It was incredible. It was like such good makeup and stuff. 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.360 But it's really making me laugh. You know what else 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.399 made me laugh? This is going back a few weeks 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:35.000 or whatnot. But I loved everyone's responses for your birthday 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:36.120 on the Instagram. 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:38.120 They really are so thoughtful. 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.880 They know they remember and like so many specific different things. 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:43.199 That was really nice. 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:47.160 And I hate to say, like I'm like technically pretty savvy, 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:48.640 but like I don't think I even know how to 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:49.920 do those kind of posts, Like I know how to 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:51.760 do the ask a question thing, but like when you 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.480 post the responses with like a fun picture and like gifts, 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.880 I'm like, Lisa, I don't even know how to get there. 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.040 Like that is fun. You did a lot of work 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.680 for my birthday. Yeah, it was fun. It was fine, 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.520 that will be it was. It was a great pleasure 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:04.760 to do. 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.120 But it also made me laugh because I forgot that 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.079 you led Andrea Bacelli. 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:13.600 To address his grip his wife wife was pulling him 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:17.920 around like a dog. It was just like funny what 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:19.040 they liked and remembered. 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.760 It was sweet. I enjoyed that. Wait. 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.080 So speaking of were like deep in the time machine 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.200 this week because of travels and travails. 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.919 But I wanted to mention odd Non. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:35.519 Sied getting his court thing, getting really from prison his trial. 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:40.520 His verdict was, Oh my god, I'm like completely have 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:42.480 no brain right now. My brain is like, swell, you're 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:47.400 so overwhelmed with the emotion. I'm overwhelmed. His conviction was vacated. 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:47.760 I was. 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.920 I was like his trial was it was evacuated. I like, 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.520 his conviction was vacated. This guy has been in prison 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:59.000 for twenty three years for he has not left prison 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.120 since he was seventeen years old, since the day he 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.960 went in for being arrested, like arrested. They never gave 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.200 him bail, which was a huge part of the which 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.720 was a huge issue with the podcast that they talk about. 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:12.079 Because I listened to Cereal twice through I was really obsessed. 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.240 I listened to the Undisclosed podcast, which is run by 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.680 odd Non's family friend Robbia and lawyers who all would 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:22.480 talk about it for after Cereal ended. So I really 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:27.160 was obsessed and like not getting bail when you are 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:30.520 put into jail initially is really fucked because you really 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:32.720 can't aid in your own defense in the same way 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.360 as you can if you're out of jail, you know, 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:37.320 like yes, your lawyers can come visit you whatever, but 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.280 it's just not the same. Like, he was not able 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.400 to help in his own defense in a lot of 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:43.280 ways because he just immediately went to jail and was 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.800 denied bail and listen, I kind of always thought that 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.760 he was innocent, but I also realized that, like I 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.360 was manipulated by Cereal. It's a narrative, Like the narrative 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.840 of the podcast was very convincing. I you know, I 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:58.960 think they did a great job, but I also realized 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:00.920 a lot of people it's like how I felt about 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.520 my favorite not my my favorite murder, excuse me making 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:04.560 a murderer. 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:05.080 Like everyone was. 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.000 I was like justice for Steve and Abray, and people 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.160 were like, Kara, he did it, you know, Like so 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.240 I don't know that. I do think the cops have 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.480 to do the right job, and I don't think there 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:15.600 were just a lot of unanswered weird questions in this, 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.040 and I don't think that he was beyond a reasonable doubt. 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.120 The person who killed this girl, like there were a 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:21.240 lot of sketchy things. 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.440 I don't that missed me. 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:25.680 I didn't miss me because everyone was listening to it, 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.560 but I was not hooked or paid attention to him. 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:30.560 Did you live in Chicago when it was on because 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.920 it's from like Chicago radio or something, or were you 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.960 already in New York? I have no idea, or was 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.479 this I don't know when to see fifteen? 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.080 I think I had just moved to New York. I 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:44.200 think in twenty fourteen. Gotcha, So I was in New York. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.600 Yeah, okay, So anyway, a bunch of people have been 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:49.840 messaging us because they have they have noted that I 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.960 am obsessed with this case and thank you for reaching out. 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.479 I was mouth on the floor, Like my sister immediately 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:58.799 texted me, like I could not believe when it happened. 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:02.680 And they have a month to retry him to enter 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:04.400 in like new charges. But I just don't think they're 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:06.039 gonna do it, Like I don't think that they can. 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:07.720 I don't think they can really do it. He also 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.400 had ineffective counsel. It seemed like his lawyer was like 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.680 dying at the time, like she was very ill and 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.640 was like I don't know what it was, medication or 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.200 her illness, but like she missed a lot of things. 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.760 And so for a seventeen year old boy to have 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:25.200 like a lawyer that's not fully on, it was kind of. 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:30.280 Not good for him. But anyway, what else is going on? 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.120 I'm so fucked up. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:36.839 Yeah, I don't know. Nothing's going on? Well, the football season. 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.560 You want to talk to the NFL. Oh my god. 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.880 So I was doing okay. So there's a guy at 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.080 the comedy store and he does love pulling pranks, but 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:47.080 I think he. 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:48.360 Pulls one that's so fucked up. 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.200 I was watching my friend and she was just like 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:53.440 having a cigarette outside and he runs. 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.960 Up to her and goes, God, do you come on? 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:56.480 Come on? 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.920 And she goes what, and like she starts running panicked, 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.520 and then he goes just kidding. And so he makes 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.240 people think that they fully are like being called on stage. 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:08.200 And he has done this. 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.000 To me, Like I'll park in the parking lot and 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.159 be like chill and then they'll be like come on 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.120 your net and I and then you run and then 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:17.320 it's like totally not it, And I'm like, you cannot 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:17.560 do that. 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:21.360 A shitty fucking prink. I'm sorry. That is not a prank. 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.400 That's making someone's blood pressure rise for no fucking reason. 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:27.839 Well, well, what I loved about the person who he 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:28.279 did it to. 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:30.920 She did not put out her cigarette, though she ran 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.039 with her cigarette, so she did get to at least 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.240 come back and like finish her cigarette, but she was 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.120 already so stressed that she went back inside to like 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:42.279 wait for her spot. But like, and she's not a 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.880 paid regular, so it's probably like even more stressful because you're. 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:47.400 Like, oh, to be here, I don't want to fuck 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.200 every Yes, you don't want to fuck up. The pressure's on, 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:51.040 and so. 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:55.000 I was just like, fuck, and so I have to 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:56.240 remember that he does this, so. 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.400 Yeah, so you can just be like, are you being serious? Like, 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:01.800 I mean, it would take the wind out of his 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:03.960 sales if you just were like didn't believe him right away, 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:07.480 right yeah, But in that moment, you're just yeah, hopefully 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:11.160 I'll be on guard. I love drinks, but it's I 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.080 don't know, that doesn't feel like a prank to me. 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.720 It's just making someone feel like crazy. 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:18.880 I don't know. That feels like a gaslight. I don't know, 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.160 like you did something wrong. Hurry, hurry. 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:25.480 You're like, like, I don't know, getting someone stressed, Like 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.160 I do love a little I do love a little prank, 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.200 but I like, I like prank phone calls and stuff 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.720 sometimes when you're like, I don't know. 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.280 He also believes that RBG is the reason Roe v. 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.320 Wade was overturned, and it's fully her fault. I have 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:43.360 other friends that believe that. It's just like you can, 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.520 I mean, you can believe that, like she should have 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.760 retired this and that, but like to blame that one 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:51.120 woman and not all the people that have tried to 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:52.000 overturn it. 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:53.840 Yeah, it's like so crazy. 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.920 First of all, it's like blaming the goalie in a 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.640 hockey game or something like, yeah, I guess the goal 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.120 the did get past the goalie, but it first got 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:05.000 past three other lines of defense before it got to. 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.760 The goalie, you know what I mean, Like, it's it's 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:08.960 not her fault, but. 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:10.920 Like, I just don't know why you think it'd be 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:12.960 more her fault than like Mitch McConnell's. 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:14.080 It's just like, I don't know. 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:17.760 It seems like people that are into Facebook, like it 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.640 seems like something that they've read on Facebook, and it's like, well, 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:22.680 it's not an opinion that they had on their own. 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:24.280 It's not something they came to on their own. 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.520 They saw something on Facebook that said that, and then 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.080 they think they're like counterculture and super smart. 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:32.079 But I think it's like idiotic. 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.560 Two of my most liberal friends who did not know 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:37.440 each other. I introduced them at a party and I 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.600 walked away for like ten minutes, and when I came back, 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:44.400 they were yelling at each other because he believes that 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.560 Ruth Bader Ginsburg should have retired so that they could 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.559 have installed more justices. This was way pre ro being overturned, 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:52.880 and that it's going to fuck up the Supreme Court 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:54.640 and this and that, and she was like screaming at 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.160 him like that's fucking insane, and like they were having 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:58.079 having it out at. 0:08:58.040 --> 0:08:59.200 A small apartment party. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.560 Well yeah, it's like also like who could have known 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:04.719 that everyone was going to vote for a man who 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:08.000 can't read or spell the president? Yeah, and the rush 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.160 like it's just like it is wild. Yeah, we couldn't 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:13.640 have predicted the game show host presidency for sure. 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.320 And Obama tried to put another judge on. I mean 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:17.000 it would have. 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:22.760 Yeah, it's just like it's fine to lump her in 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:26.280 and like power is corrupt no matter what, Like power sucks. 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.880 But like to take this person who has worked so 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.960 hard for women's rights for decades and justice in this 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.320 world and just fully put it on her shoulders, it's 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.480 like crazy. And then this guy in the commo is 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:41.400 like she should be rolling around in her grave. It's 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:45.240 like you're a psychopath. And also those people like I'm 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.880 sure your friend didn't bring it up. It's like these 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:52.280 people bring up this stuff though to instigate fight, to antagonize. 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.800 Yeah, that's the prank. It's like you're gonna do a prank. 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.000 You're gonna have this insane point of view and you're 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.000 just gonna antagonize people because you don't know how to 0:09:59.080 --> 0:09:59.840 truly connect. 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:03.600 Yeah. I was like, you two are on the same side. 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:07.640 You're both my most like liberal pro Hillary like pro 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.600 like you know, Democrat side. So like it's so weird 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:12.679 that you're fighting about this. 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.440 What was the genders of them? 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:16.480 He the guy you brought it up was a guy, 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.240 and then the pro RBG is a woman. 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:22.400 Yeah, yeah, men are not actually liberal ever. Well he's a. 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:26.360 Gay guy and super liberal, but you know him, Like, no. 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:27.160 It's always men. 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:29.679 Men are always liberal until a woman says no to that, 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.320 you know what I mean. It's like men are all 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.600 liberal until it's like their friend is a rapist. It's 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:40.160 like men cannot fully escape their manhood ever. 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:40.760 So can I. 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.440 So yesterday I was in CBS buying deodorant and this 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.880 crazy guy was in there and he was just ranting 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.280 and he was going saying shit about Ukraine or whatever, 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:50.320 and He's like, I'm allowed to say what I want. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:52.480 I can say what I want. And I'm just trying 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:53.800 to get around him. And he goes like, ma'am, you 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:55.920 don't even care. Nobody even cares. Ma'am, you don't care, 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:57.360 And I go, I actually don't, and I like get 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.880 around him because I'm like, I'm on the phone and 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.240 I'm buying deodorant. I walk out and my husband had 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.320 been getting coffee and that guy had had accosted him too, 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.040 And when I came out, that man was screaming at 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.280 a woman. And when we were in the car, Jared goes, 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.120 it was so weird, Like that guy said something to 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:14.520 me about like, do you know how much money we're 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:17.080 spending in Ukraine? And I was like, I gotta go buddy, 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:18.920 and he was like and the guy just went whatever, 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.520 and then he just started screaming at that woman, and 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:22.319 I go, do you know, do. 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:23.120 You see any difference? 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:25.000 Do you see any difference between you and the other 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:26.120 person that he screamed at? 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:27.840 He was like, oh. 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.080 I was like, Yeah, he can handle a guy telling 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:31.320 him I don't want to talk to you right now. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.080 He can't handle a woman being like not right now, sir, 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:35.400 you know what I mean? Like, and he was just 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:36.439 screaming at her. 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:38.560 Yeah, and they know they can get away with it. 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.400 I had an issue ones at a Buffalo exchange in. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.520 Places I really thought you were gonna say Buffalo wild 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.000 wings and this is fine, but I wanted it to 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:47.240 be that. 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.360 So I went into, like bring a bunch of stuff, 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:54.680 and there was a huge line. It was like probably 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.920 spring cleaning times, and so it was like probably like 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:01.000 twenty women in a line, and you're supposed to stand 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.800 with your stuff. We all want to be browsing. Okay, 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.440 you have to stand with their stuff. And this guy 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.280 his stuff was there, but like he wasn't there. And 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.640 so when he came back, I go, no, we're all 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.840 sitting here waiting. You have to fucking go and he wouldn't, 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:18.160 and like we got into it and I was kind 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:19.559 of like fighting him, but no one else did, and 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:20.840 he just sat there and then like he. 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:21.440 Got away with it. 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:23.200 And it's like, if this was twenty men, you wouldn't 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.480 have pulled that shit. Yeah, you would not have cut 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:28.000 twenty women in line sitting with her stuff and broken 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:29.800 the rules like this. And then all the staff too, 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:31.960 were like he comes here, lah blah blah blah, and 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:32.360 it's like. 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:33.400 Fuck you. 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.160 You did it because you can get away with it. 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:37.000 They do it because they can get away with it, 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:39.960 and it was just frustrated. I was like, if this 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.880 was twenty minute buffalo exchange, there's no fucking way you 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:45.400 would be yelling and like not moving and not respecting 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.400 what we're saying, Like we all want to browse. You 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.839 think we all like sitting here waiting out like an 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:54.160 hour to exchange your clothing, Like that's not that's. 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:55.720 Not the case here. Yeah. 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:59.720 Well, because my sister had friends from back in the 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:04.000 day and every party he would bring up and it 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.920 was finally like you all, you know, we all disagree 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.080 with you. You know this, Yeah, we're asking you to 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.600 stop bringing stop it, and so now they're not really 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.679 friends and he's not invited to any events anymore because 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:18.920 it's like they just can't they get off on pissing 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.160 you off. It's like so weird, Like I have tons 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:24.720 of opinions all the time. I'm not going to a 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.600 dinner and yelling about I don't know. It just seems weird. 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:29.680 And even if you are, you're not going to a 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.560 dinner where you know, everyone has like the opposite opinion 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.880 of being like, guess what, bitches and just like throwing 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:38.760 gas on the fire, you know. Anyway, another fuck the 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:43.880 patriarchy intro from Lisa and Kara. Let's move on because 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:45.880 we got to get the episode started. Of course, we 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.320 need to tell you once again, I'm a broken record 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.280 about our tour dates. This is being wide released on 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.960 October eleventh, which means you still have time to get 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:59.400 tickets for our shows in Washington, DC, Charlotte, North Carolina, Raleigh, 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:03.400 North Carolina, Atlanta, Georgia, Huntsville, Alabama, and Nashville, Tennessee. That's 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:04.880 where we're going to be for the whole week of 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.720 uh October sixteenth through October twenty third, So go to 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:13.920 that's mess uplive dot com for tickets to that and yeah, 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.560 come if you already have tickets, bring friends. We'd love to, 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.880 you know, see a lot of you guys there. And Lisa, 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:21.280 what do you think? Should we just get this fucking 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:24.040 show on the road. Start the episode for today? This 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.320 is a this is an iconic episode. I'm icon We're 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:28.960 about to take you to one of the best openings 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:30.680 you've ever seen of this television show. 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:38.120 Hold on to your butts. 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:41.440 All right, all right, Today's episode Maternal Instincts, Season seventeen, 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:42.600 Episode six. 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.520 Fuck you, Hulu, it is not episode five, it is six. 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.440 Should we start a change dot org petition to get 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.120 Hulu to renumber the episodes. 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.880 We must have enough connections at Hulu to like be 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:55.840 like this needs to change. 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:59.520 I'm gonna set up a meeting. Yeah, yeah, you're ruining 0:14:59.520 --> 0:14:59.960 our lives. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:00.360 Okay. 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.280 Anyway, We open on a bunch of hot babes playing 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.800 violin and skin tight dresses. They're on stage at a 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:08.200 concert and they are fusing. 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.040 Yeah, I forgot what episode this was. In the moment 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.760 you said viol I am like I love this from sido. 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:18.520 These girls are like moving their hips to the sounds 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:21.000 of the drums. They are sexual violinists and they will 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.760 not apologize for it. So now out of fucking nowhere 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:29.520 comes up a jazz flute soloist, a jazz floutist, and 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.280 it's giving me like such big Michael Flatley, like Lord 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.560 of the Dance vibes, just like the lighting and like 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.480 everybody looks like they could be irish. Then this jazz 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.480 guy comes out. He's definitely giving a more Russian vibe. 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.920 He is played by Zach McGowan, who's from Shameless and 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.800 a show called Black Sales and a bunch of other stuff, 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:47.840 and he is well so. 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.320 In Shameless, I would love to share I've probably shared 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.680 this with you before, but him and Joan Cusack have 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:59.400 a sexual relationship and Zach plays the sex addict and 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.960 at one point he's bringing tarps out and lubes and 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.600 like twenty five people are coming over for a giant gangbang, 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:08.240 and like Joan Cusack like pegs him and stuff like 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:09.240 it's a why. 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.160 I don't think I've ever realized Joan Cusack barely kissed 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:13.800 anyone except for like Uncle Fester. 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.600 Like I know she pegs this. She doesn't usually get 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.080 like really sexual roles. 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:21.880 And I noticed because Joan Cusack is my only celebrity comparison. 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.000 I'm sure I've mentioned that on the podcast. Yes, but 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:25.480 I don't think you guys. 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.560 People just are like John Cusack. I mean like I 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:29.720 took an acting class once where everyone had to look 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:33.400 at everybody and tell everybody who your celebrity like is, 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.040 like who you look like? Oh, she's a cross between 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:37.760 so and so and so and so, and like they 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:40.080 were fully stumped on me, Like I go, people have 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.560 said Joan Cusack and they were like, I guess, like 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.760 no one had anything for me. Like one person was 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.760 like maybe Sam Bee. I was like, maybe you're that. 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.120 I don't know because you heard I do comedy, Like anyway, 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.040 it was so weird, What a weird what a weird exercise. 0:16:54.400 --> 0:17:00.320 Also, the only person I've gotten is Torri Amos. Oh yeah, 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.440 but my parents for some reason, they love Dancing with 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:05.520 the Stars and for a while they thought I looked 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.280 like Cheryl Burke and I'm like, I don't look like 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.159 Cheryl Burke like at all, but they like cheered for 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:12.080 her because they're like. 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:15.119 It's you, and like it's it's not that she's like Asian. 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:17.879 I mean, I love that for your parents. But also 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.280 you do look like Tori Amos. I never put that 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.760 together and I'm like a huge Tory fan. This is 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.119 yahing my mind now, I like can't not see it. 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.080 But that's the only thing I get. That's the only 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:33.560 wow in the wild totally and like today specifically, I 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:34.440 don't know what it is. 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:36.960 Maybe it's my new pieces in the front. 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:44.119 Yeah, okay, well wow, Okay, we're back to zaching so early. 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:44.400 Okay. 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.280 I love that Joe Joe Cusack is getting some from 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:48.880 this man. He looks like he has a hot bod 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.639 and then he is just like fully jamming. The girls 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:56.199 look pumped, like this concert is running on all cylinders. 0:17:56.240 --> 0:18:00.480 Everyone's fucking freaking Okay. They is in the audience. That's 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.879 what I want to know, That's what I I really 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:06.440 want to know. Who's paying tickets for this? Like violin 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:10.440 flute rock like like not but like jazzy rock concert. 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.239 It's so confusing, but the crowd is there. They are 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.480 all on molly and they are all fucking raging. Okay, 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:20.439 they finish and the crowd goes insane. He introduces the 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:24.000 violin gals as Bella Donnay. They all take about I'm 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:27.640 not really sure what's called bella Donna because like it's 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:30.240 like someone who speaks Italian write me and tell me, 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:32.880 because shouldn't it be Belle donnay like a plural. 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:34.280 But anyway, that's who. 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:37.760 That's what my hat says. Yeah, no, remember my cherry 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:42.160 bucket hat. Yeah it doesn't it say Donna bell Maybe 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:43.159 I think it. 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:44.920 I can't. I don't remember what's on your chee bucket. 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:45.080 Heead. 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:46.560 I'm sorry, but listen. 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.399 They are they are, you know, bringing down the house, 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:51.720 and the crowd loves it. And and now we cut 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:54.480 to a much more somber event and it is Rollin's 0:18:54.480 --> 0:19:00.440 baby shower. We are in what looks like a bad, 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:04.040 like weird looking ballroom or something. 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:05.840 And like I'll get into it a second. 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.960 Well, because you're in New York, there's not one nice 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:10.399 restaurant you could rent a room in. 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:12.719 You have to be in a ballroom with nothing. 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:14.840 I mean, I don't care, truly, I'd rather see the 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.159 inside of Rawlins's apartment decorated than this weird ballroom. Like 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:22.000 it's so weird, and she doesn't have friends, Like who's there? 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:23.680 I know, I don't know who any of these fucking 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:25.800 people are, but it's a pretty packed shower. And her 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:29.360 mother is played by Virginia Madsen, who's a very well 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:30.119 known actress of. 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:32.200 Note. 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:33.919 I mean, I'm not going to go through her credits, 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:35.840 but she's fair. And you know who her brother is, right, 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:37.720 Virginia Madson's brother. 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:39.040 It's Michael Madson. 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:42.920 Michael Madson. I never brother together. They're siblings. 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:43.520 Wow. 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.000 Wow, never put that together because I'm kind of obsessed 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:48.560 with him too, just from the quintin. 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.360 Was he in the Justin Bieber video? I don't know, Yeah, 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:54.880 he was in a Justin Bieber video, I think. Okay, 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.760 So Virginia Madsen Mama Rolins is just giggling the day 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.520 away with Finn and a man looks annoyed, and Careese 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:03.600 walks up and is like, sorry, I'm late, and the 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:07.239 mom immediately starts to flirt with Careese starts pouring them 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:10.640 all champagne, and Amanda's like, Mom, like slowyer role, it's 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.560 still early, and like you can tell that this mom 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.320 gets sloppy, you know, And she's like, Amanda, don't worry, 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.040 I'm gonna have a Diet Cola after every glass. 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:20.560 And I'm like that is. 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:22.760 A recipe for burps and bloat if you ask me, 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:26.440 and Rollins goes because that works, and it's like we're 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:30.199 getting a SVU is very good at introducing a character 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:32.960 and telling you pretty fucking quickly, like what their deal is, 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:35.840 and that is what's happening here, Like this mom is 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:38.080 a mess and you can kind of tell where a 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:42.480 lot of Amanda's bullshit probably came from. So again, parties 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:44.800 in a weird it's giving me. Grand Prospect Hall in 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:47.480 Brooklyn vibes like not the main room of it, but 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:49.800 maybe like a side room, you know, we make your 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:50.760 dreams come true? 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:53.200 You know that place I don't know. 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:55.040 Oh my god, when I lived in New York, if 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:57.640 you watched like TV, like cable TV, which I'm sure 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:02.200 like you barely did, Like because you're younger, you got 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:06.040 these like they've parodied them on SNL. It's like basically 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:08.600 like this old immigrant couple that I don't know where 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:10.840 they're from, but they're so cute and they're like the 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:12.520 Grand Prospect Hall in Brooklyn. 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:14.040 We make your dreams come through. 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:17.720 And it's just like dark weddings with like laser lights 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:19.680 and like women wearing huge ball gowns. 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:21.800 It's like a very specific kind of wedding that would be. 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:24.560 But they've shot thirty Rock at the Grand Prospect Hall 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:27.320 and apparently it's haunted and people saw all this ghosty 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:30.120 shit when they were there. But anyway, that's the vibe 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:33.920 I'm getting from the side room of the Amanda Rollins 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:37.840 baby shower. It has like roosed curtains, a lot of brass, 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:41.240 like it's just not nice. Benson is holding baby Noah 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:42.800 and is like, oh, it's so great that you came 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:44.560 to help Rowlins with the birth of the baby, like 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:47.640 talking to Mama Rollins, and she's all like, well, I wouldn't. 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:49.960 She wouldn't want to miss any work, especially with that 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.879 sergeant's job floating around, and Rollins is embarrassed because it's 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:55.800 like mom stopped like telling my boss like that I 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:58.639 want a promotion or whatever. And Benson's like, oh, yeah, 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:01.199 like Amanda would be awesome, but the bad news is 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:03.600 the position's already been filled. The new guy gets here tomorrow, 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:06.199 and Amanda's like yeah, mom, like shut up, but like 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:08.680 you can tell she's kind of disappointed, and the mom's 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:11.200 like great, now you can focus on being a mama. 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:13.960 And now we're at a hotel where the Russian flute 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:16.119 player is having a martini. You know, he needs to 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:19.560 unwind after a fucking electric concert like what he just gave. 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:24.440 And up walks a woman in address and a short 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:28.120 black bob and she's like mister Smith and he thinks 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:29.919 her name is Savannah. So it's like these two are 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:31.840 clearly like lying to each other. This is either a 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:35.440 role play or some kind of you know, sex work situation. 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:38.000 But we can see plain as day that this is 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:41.720 the hated Kim Rollins, but beloved Lindsay Pulsifer, friend of 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:43.680 our podcast. 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:45.640 Like, I hope we get her this season. 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:49.639 I hope we see her before Rollin's departure, Like, I 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:52.359 hope I would love to see her set up on 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:55.000 bipolar meds making amends. 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:56.680 I would love that. 0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:58.320 I agree with you, But I don't know if the 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:00.760 show is like trying to give a man like big 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:03.280 closure around all the people that are in her orbit. 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:06.280 Well, hopefully they do. I hope so too. 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:08.800 Yeah, I wonder if she'll make it the whole season 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:10.960 or if she's only filming, Like is she gonna leave 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:12.280 like by episode two or like. 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:14.240 What's going on? You know? I wonder but we'll see. 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:16.840 It just makes me hate Dick Wolf, and I've never 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:19.040 had these kind of feelings towards him, but like it 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:20.960 makes me be like, what what are you doing? 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:23.600 I would say the combination of that coming out and 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:26.399 the John Oliver piece has I've started to have a 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:28.240 lot of feelings about Dick Wolf that I never had 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:32.600 before in the past like three weeks, you know. So anyway, 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:34.760 we know this is a sketchy situation, like why is 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:35.440 Kim in a wig? 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:37.199 Why is she meeting a flute player? Like what the 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:37.959 fuck is going on? 0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:40.359 And he goes call me Anton, and I'm like, okay, 0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:44.199 Anton Smith, Like that's a great name. And he offers 0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:45.840 her a drink and she's like, don't you have a 0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:47.800 mini bar in your room? So she's like, let's get 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:49.520 to it. I don't have time for this bar drink, Like, 0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:51.640 let's get to your room. And he's like, New York, 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:54.800 everyone's in such a rush. And then we cut to 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:59.040 Kim rifling through the guy's wallet, taking cash, like, putting 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:01.399 her earrings back on, tiptoeing through the room. Then she 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:04.919 opens the flute jackpot. She busts out of there with 0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:07.440 the flute, and we see Anton like face down naked 0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:10.000 on the bed, passed out, and we're at the credits. 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:12.800 One of the greatest openings Flutes Galore. 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:15.360 Yeah, I was gonna say, if you're one of our 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:17.919 listeners that doesn't watch Sview at all, I would at 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:21.920 least put this opener on. There's like no crime, there's 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:23.960 no dead bodies, there's no blood, there's. 0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:24.680 No screaming mother. 0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:25.000 Like. 0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:28.840 It's truly a flute concert and it is worth it. 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:31.960 And it's a flute concert mixed with Roland's family dynamics, 0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:35.840 which is pretty much this entire episode. So we're in 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:37.880 the precinct at the top of act one and Careese 0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:41.520 is like, hey, Rowin's your mom seems great, and Rolin's 0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:42.880 is like okay. 0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:44.800 And that is such a pet peeve of mine. 0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:48.879 Oh really, Like when you don't like someone deep in 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:50.719 your life and then someone meets someone, they're like, oh 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:52.840 my god, they're great, and it's like, yeah, everyone could 0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:54.960 be great for a lunch, Like stop getting involved in 0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:56.280 people's family dynamics. 0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:59.440 Ye like, but because that is like what narcissists do. 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:03.080 They like you're themselves to people like my dad. Everybody 0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:05.560 that meets him loves him. You know, they're like, your 0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:08.800 dad's so fun, and I'm like, okay, you know, like 0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:12.680 it's like a whole it's like their trick. So anyway, 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.560 he asks Rowlins, oh do you like that wipe warmer 0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:19.520 I got you? My sister swears by it, and Rollins goes, oh, 0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:21.520 that was you in a way that implies she did 0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:23.960 not like the gift. And I am fully team Rolins 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:25.840 on this one. I have a wipe warmer. 0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:26.400 They suck. 0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:28.679 They just I got rid of it immediately when I 0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:29.800 got it, I never used it. 0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:30.920 It dries out. The wipes. 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:33.320 They are on every woman's registry and if you are 0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:35.760 pregnant or having a baby, they are not necessary. Babies 0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:37.200 do not give a shit if their wipes are hot 0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:39.879 or cold, so they stop the baby wipe talk when 0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:42.480 they notice that she Deputy Chief Dodds walks in with 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:46.000 another dude who we quickly find out is baby Dodds. 0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:49.639 And this is Dodds's oldest son, played by Andy Carl, 0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:52.240 who is a Broadway baby. He played like the ups 0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:56.399 guy in Legally Blonde Musical and he's been in like 0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:57.960 a ton of Broadway stuff. 0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:01.480 So nepotism strikes again. We talk about. 0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:03.920 Nepotism on this podcast all the time, and this motherfucker 0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:05.320 is getting a job totally. 0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:06.320 Based on his dad's connections. 0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:09.399 So in Live's office, she's welcoming Baby Dodds and his 0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:11.840 dad's like bragging about all his achievements, how he signed 0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.199 up for Special Forces right out of college after nine 0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:17.280 to eleven, and baby Dad's is like, okay, Dad, settle down. 0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:19.320 He's like, I'm new to SVU and I have a 0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:21.439 lot to learn. So he's at least trying not to 0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:23.199 be like a punk ass, Like he's not showing up 0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:26.040 being like yeah, bow down like Ama Dods. You know, 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:29.479 he's I think, being pretty humble. So Rollins shows up 0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:31.800 into the office, she meets Dodds and then tells them 0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:34.720 that Alessandra Bay, one of the violin girls that we 0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:38.840 saw earlier, one of the Belladonna has been reported being 0:26:38.880 --> 0:26:43.040 assaulted in her hotel room. And Dodds is like, Rowlins, 0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:45.280 you should probably be on desk duty, and Live is 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:48.359 trying to get Rowlins to stay with baby Dodds, and 0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:50.919 then baby older Dods is like, no, bring Mike with you. 0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:52.679 It's like a whole power struggle of who gets to 0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:55.320 go and Rollins ends up getting like kind of fucked 0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:57.800 and has to stay home and Baby Dodds gets to go. 0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:00.159 So now Baby Dodds is joining Live on the call 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:03.439 and eyebrows dodd says son sinker swim, and it's like, 0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:07.360 all right, so weird. So now we're at the Park Milano, 0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:09.720 which I think that's a real hotel, and I think 0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:12.040 that's where my boss got married and he always told 0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:14.240 me they had a really good burger anyway, my old boss. 0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:16.399 So now Chrisy and Finn are giving Live the entire 0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:19.960 low down and She's like, uh, are you pulling security footage? 0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:22.199 And Finn's like yeah, and then Baby Dodds tries to 0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:25.360 pull like my daddy owns knows the owner bullshit, and 0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:27.639 Finn's not here for it. He's like the footage is 0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:29.520 on its way, like we don't really actually need you 0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:31.960 to pull strings on getting security footage. And then Baby 0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:33.760 Dodds is like, okay, I can get the woman's statement 0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:36.159 and Benson is like it's actually called a disclosure and 0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:38.080 there's no way I'm letting your frap boy ass handle 0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:39.879 a right victim by yourself, Like how about we go 0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:40.480 in there together? 0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:41.640 So in the room. 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:43.680 This woman has a busted lip and she looks rough 0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:45.840 like she really looks like she has been attacked, like 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:48.280 a great job to the makeup department, and the acting 0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:50.720 like she looks very shaken up. She says she heard 0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:53.000 banging and yelling outside her hotel room. When she opened 0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:55.879 the door, this guy just charged in, grabbing her. She 0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:57.880 screamed at him to stop, and he covered her mouth 0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:00.919 and pushed her to the ground. She couldn't breathe, and 0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:03.359 then she starts coughing, and baby Dods is like, let 0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:05.520 me get you some water, and Live is like, ah, 0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:07.439 she could have DNA in her mouth or in her 0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:10.280 throat or fluids, like you can't like wash that all away. 0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:10.840 So it's like. 0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:13.479 Yeah, so he was all talk yeah, well, oh, anything 0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:14.760 you need, I'm here to learn, and. 0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:17.160 It's like, no, you're not what Well, like I think 0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:19.639 he's realizing very quickly how different it is from like 0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:21.399 regular copping or whatever. 0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:23.800 He wherever he's from. I forgot like where he came from. 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:24.720 And so. 0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:29.200 She tells liv how this man raped her and then 0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:32.000 she passed out, and then she says, I knew my attacker. 0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:35.359 It was Anton Krasna. Cough he's touring with Belladonne. It 0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:37.639 was the floutest so done done. 0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:38.520 What's going on? 0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:42.080 Next scene, Finn and Creesy are knocking on Anton's hotel 0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:44.640 room door and he opens the door shirtless, like wow, 0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:47.120 and he goes, wow, that was fast because he just 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:49.600 called nine one one and they're like, why did you 0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:51.320 call one one? And he's like, oh, because my fifty 0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:54.280 thousand dollars flut is missing. And they're like, okay, flu boy, 0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:56.080 come down to the station and we'll file a report. 0:28:56.320 --> 0:29:00.240 So he thinks he's just going downtown to like deal 0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:03.080 with his missing flute. This is crazy too, because like 0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:05.520 these classical instruments are really really expensive. 0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:07.080 Like this is what wild connection. 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:09.960 But when I went to summer camp, Yo Yoma's kids 0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:12.960 were campers. He's like the most famous cellist in the world, 0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:15.240 and he left his cello one time in the back 0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:17.640 of a cab, which is worth like I mean probably 0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:19.520 half a million dollars at least, and like he got 0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:21.360 it back, but like, shit's crazy. 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:22.960 Anyway. 0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:25.400 In one of the meeting rooms at the precinct, Cariese 0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:27.480 walks in and tells Anton, Oh, yeah, we put an 0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:29.080 apb out on the flute. 0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.880 Which is so funny to me. We got an APB. 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:35.040 We're looking for a flute, like too funny, Like apbs 0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:37.840 are usually supposed to be on people or cars, I guess. 0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:40.400 And they're acting like they care about the flute, but 0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:42.960 they really want him to fess about his whereabouts vis 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:45.880 a vis the assault, and Anton was like, I was 0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:47.000 at a show with Belladonna. 0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:48.400 We had thunderous ovation. 0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:50.720 And then they he goes they love my flute here, 0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:53.840 which I thought was so funny. He's like, oh yeah, Americans, 0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.560 they love my flute. And he tells them about meeting 0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:59.040 Savannah and he confesses that he's a happily married man, 0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:01.479 but she did come up for one drink and he's like, 0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:03.520 with the jet lag, I must have fallen asleep. When 0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:05.240 I woke up, she and the flute were gone. So 0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:06.840 it's like he never even thinks for a second this 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:08.080 woman stole the flute. 0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:10.600 Like he's just seems like an idiot. 0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:13.240 And then they bring up Alessandra and he's like, oh no, 0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:16.080 did someone steal her violin? Like and he seems pretty 0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:19.000 like he seems concerned about her violin and like not 0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:22.560 like he's hiding something and Finn's like, no, she was assaulted, 0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:26.480 and Anton's very shocked, and then they tell him. She 0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:28.600 says he's the one that assaulted her, and he's like, 0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:31.680 that's impossible. She's on another floor, and he also says 0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.600 it's impossible. Why would someone like me need to rape anyone, 0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:36.440 which we get a lot of guys saying that kind 0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:38.280 of shit on the show, and it's so funny like 0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:41.520 that men don't understand, like that what rape is really about. 0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:44.600 And so he's like, do you know who I am? 0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:46.840 I have two hundred performances booked around the world in 0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:50.480 the next year, and like, again, who's buying tickets? I 0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:53.080 cannot believe that there's a jazz flute is selling out 0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:56.920 two hundred performances around the year, speaking of that's messed up. 0:30:56.960 --> 0:30:59.080 Coming to a city near you. Please buy our tic 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:03.920 We're only doing twenty five. Like, this guy's got an audience. 0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:08.320 So liv is watching through like the fish tank window, unimpressed, 0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:11.080 and she's like, oh, yeah, I'm a celebrity, How could 0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.200 I possibly rape anyone? Which is like, yeah, half the 0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:17.000 show is celebrities raping people. And did you see the 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.080 thing I posted over the weekend that TikTok. 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:19.960 I really like it. 0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:21.920 This comedian is doing a bit where she goes, I 0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.480 want to start calling it raper. I'd like it to 0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:28.480 sound more like murderer or trader and less like florist 0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:32.640 and artist. Like it's a great comment, great point anyway, 0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:35.440 Lots of celebrities are rapers, is what I mean to say. 0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:39.520 Rollins is defending him like he is pretty famous. I mean, 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:42.800 he's been honored by the King of Sweden. What are 0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:44.160 you talking about, Rollins? 0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:46.360 And then she. 0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:48.960 Goes, yeah, like he's just got a great reputation, he's beloved. 0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:50.960 It's not like there's whisperings about him, like he's not 0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:51.520 like a Louis c. 0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:52.120 K type. 0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:54.880 And then liv Is like, Rollins, remember your first case 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:58.400 here with the Italian diplomat, and she's obviously referring to 0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:01.640 Scorched Earth, where you know an Italian diplomat rapes a 0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:06.480 hotel made based on Dominique strauss Khan and then Rollin says, yeah, 0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:09.720 but his affect just like doesn't match the profile. Baby 0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:12.960 Dodds walks in with security footage of Anton naked pounding 0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:16.480 on Alessandra's door. He stays inside the room for fifteen 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:18.560 minutes and then leaves, so it's all kind of in 0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:21.240 line with her story, and he asks if liv wants 0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:23.080 to watch, and she goes, I'll take your word for it. 0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:25.080 So it's like just there's so many little, like subtle 0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:27.480 moments of Dodds being like an idiot, like, yeah, she 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:29.040 doesn't really need to watch if you say that that's 0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:31.840 what happened. And then Rollin's noticed that Anton is like 0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:33.960 completely out of it in the video. She's like, he 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:36.520 seems like he's fucked up, like maybe he's a victim too, 0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:39.040 and Lives like, okay, let's get him tested blood you're in, 0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:41.480 et cetera. And Rollin's is like, yeah, we got to 0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:43.200 get prints in his room too and figure out who 0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:47.200 this Savannah character is. So then Liv tells baby Dodds 0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:50.160 to pull the strings earlier about the security footage, and 0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:53.080 I'm like, why we have the footage from Alessandra's floor, 0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:55.960 Like why didn't we get Anton's floor? Like this is 0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:58.360 so weird, But anyway, we're calling in the favor to 0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:00.960 the guy in the end, and just then they get 0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:02.640 a hit on the flute. It turned up at a 0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:05.600 pawn shop. Rollins is opening the file sent from the 0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:09.640 security footage of the pawn shop and to see who 0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:13.640 sold the flute, and she goes, it's buffering, let me 0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:16.040 go check it out on my computer immediately like Rollins 0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:18.120 is a horrible liar, or like the actress makes her 0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:21.640 choice to let her lying be seen, and she sits 0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:23.680 at her desk and we immediately see her checking the 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:26.800 footage of her sister Kim pawning the violin, like it's 0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:29.880 clear as day that this is her sister, and she goes, oh, 0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:32.560 don't do this to meet Kim, and that's the end 0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:36.200 of act one. So then act to Rollins is still 0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:38.360 at her desk and everyone is closing in on her, 0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:41.120 like wondering about this picture. She lies to Finn and 0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:43.360 is like, yeah, there's like the file is corrupted. 0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:45.360 I can't get it open. And he's like he. 0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:47.560 Doesn't really buy that, because remember how we're all supposed 0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:50.240 to think that Rollins is really great at tech. He's like, 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:53.840 you can't already that, No, Remember, like in other Child, 0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:56.560 like Downloaded Child and other episodes we've done, they've been 0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:59.360 like it's been Rollin's being like tiptap tip tap, it's 0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:01.840 behind a fire and we're like why is Taru not here? 0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:04.280 Why are we leaving this up to Rollins? They act 0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:08.040 like Rollins has like sort of a skill set involving. 0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:09.319 Tech, and I didn't know that. 0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:11.960 I thought her skills were just watching a lot of 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:14.839 TV shows and knowing about sports and being flirty and 0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:16.880 being a major flirt and a gambler. 0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:19.439 But yeah, she knows tech. 0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:22.960 So anyway, I think that's what gets Finn immediately a 0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.399 little suspicious. Like Rowlins is supposed to be good at tech. 0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:28.880 Rollins is like, it doesn't really matter. Anton's good for 0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:31.000 the assault, and Finn's like, yeah, but that girl probably 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:34.359 drugged him. She goes she played his flute and then 0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:36.319 stole his flute, and it's like good one. 0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:38.120 Finn. Rollins is like, yeah, but. 0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:40.800 He's not a vic and it's it is kind of shady, 0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:43.480 Like Rollins ten minutes ago was like, I don't know, 0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:46.040 the guy's got a good reputation, like it seems like 0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:47.799 he might be a victim. And now the second she 0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:50.319 sees this is her sister, She's immediately. 0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:52.560 Like this is cut and dry. This guy fucking did it. 0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:54.560 Let's put him in jail forever, you know, Like it's 0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:56.920 kind of wild of Rollins, you know. 0:34:57.080 --> 0:34:58.279 I just I don't get it. 0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:01.120 It's like, you know, your sister is a just like 0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:05.880 stop yeah yeah, Like I mean it's crazy. How like 0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:07.879 later in this episode, the mom's like, you don't stand 0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:09.800 up for your family, and I'm like, she really fucking 0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:12.000 does for how what of a hot mess Kim is? 0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:14.880 She's doing a lot bad right away for Kim, you know. 0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:18.920 And so Finn is like, are you sure there's nothing 0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:22.399 on the video and she's like, no, there's nothing, and 0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:25.200 Finn's like something is up. Rollins is actually sketchy, and 0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:27.759 she goes walk me to the breakroom like their partners, 0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:29.799 they know each other. She's not going to get away 0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:32.000 with us for a like long, so she's like, I'm 0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:34.440 just gonna tell Finn. In the breakroom, she shows Finn 0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:38.319 the footage and like the like confesses about like the 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.960 Kim of it all, and Rollins had no idea Kim 0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:43.399 was even in New York. Last time she saw her, 0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:46.800 she robbed Amanda blind like I think, left only the 0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:50.520 ice cube trays and then skip town leaving after this 0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:53.760 is after Amanda she set up her boyfriend for Amanda 0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.160 to kill him, right, and so she's got a manslaughter 0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:59.200 warrant out for her. Finn is like, stay away from 0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:02.040 her and tell Live what's going on, and Rollins is like, 0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:04.359 I can't not with baby doubt Dodds around, He's gonna 0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:07.440 snitch to Daddy or IAB And to me, it's like, 0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:10.000 you're not far enough in yet. You could literally just 0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:13.160 go in and tell like Live that you just got it. 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.480 But she's already like, you know, winding the whole like 0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:18.640 IAB thing like I don't think IAB has a case 0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:20.640 here yet. You got that image on your computer two 0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:23.120 seconds ago. Anyway, She's like, give me a minute to 0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:25.200 find her. I'll ask my mom, she'll know where she is. 0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:27.880 I'll bring her in myself. Finn agrees, but he's very 0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:30.160 uncomfortable with this, you know, Finn likes to play it 0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:33.120 by the book. So now Baby Dodds is telling Live 0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:36.600 that his hotel buddy recognizes Savannah as a working girl, 0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:39.560 so it's not her first time, okay at at a 0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:42.680 hotel at the Park Milano, and Finn is buying time 0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:45.680 for Rollins and Uh tells them, yeah, yeah, she's running 0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:48.640 that pawnshop image through facial recognition, and Lives like, what's up? 0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:50.560 With her, and Finn's like, oh, and she's okay, she 0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:52.960 just needed lunch, and then he makes up a technical 0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:55.640 glitch about the whole picture and that like and that 0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:58.800 Rollins is down there checking on it herself with Taru 0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:01.800 or whatever. So it's like there's a lot of covering baby. 0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:04.080 Dodd thinks, at least if we can confront Anton about 0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:07.120 the sex worker aspect, maybe he'll talk. Liv says, why 0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:09.160 don't we just tell him we already got the DNA back, 0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:10.040 even though they haven't. 0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:11.680 They always do this. They love to bluff. 0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:15.239 They love to bluff people, and maybe it's shoddy police work, 0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:18.120 but it works a lot for them. Rollin's calls her 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:20.560 mom frantically, and her mom is doing the same shit 0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.960 Kim does, like gas lighting and always being like super calm, 0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:28.800 like calm down, Darlin, and playing dumb like APB John, 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:30.560 what do these words even mean? 0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:33.359 Like she's being so annoying and. 0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:35.920 Also sounds rich. But I never got the vibe that 0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:36.680 they were wealthy. 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:40.000 I know, But I think there's also a thing where 0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.880 like maybe like she's like a southern woman up in 0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:44.880 the city kind of trying to pretend to be something 0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:47.360 that she's not like she seems like she tries to 0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:49.560 buy like knockoffs at like TJ Max. You know what 0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:51.560 I mean to like look rich, sure than she is, 0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:54.239 but she does sound rich. Yeah, she's got the very 0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:57.840 Blanche Devereaux kind of voice going on, and Rollin says, 0:37:58.000 --> 0:38:00.319 here's what it means, Mama, she meets me now or 0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:02.200 the police are gonna take her ass down. And I 0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:04.799 know you don't want headlines about your daughter being a prostitute. 0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:07.080 And the mom's like, I'll see what I can do 0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:09.360 and hangs up, And then the camera pulls out to 0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:12.520 reveal Kim is right there in Amanda's apartment snuggling with 0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:15.239 the fucking dog, and the mom is like, Kimmy, are 0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:18.560 you in trouble? And Kim like manipulates the mom so easily. 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:20.879 She's like, you know, Amanda, she's always putting me down 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.120 to build herself up. And it's like putting you down 0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:24.240 with a manslaughter warrant. 0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:24.520 Girl. 0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:27.560 Like the delusion with Kim is like so out of control, 0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:30.120 and the mom's like, still, I think you better talk 0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:33.560 to her. Back at the precinct, they're showing Anton photos 0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:36.000 of himself pushing his way into Alessandra's room and he's 0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:39.400 freaking out. He's like, this is not possible, Like I 0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:42.440 don't remember any of this, and he remembers that Savannah 0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:44.680 poured him a drink at the mini bar and she 0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:47.160 must have drugged him, and he admits that that is 0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:49.560 him in the picture, but he would never rape anyone, 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.200 like that's not like he would never and he's like, 0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:54.400 do I need to call a lawyer someone from my embassy, 0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:56.360 and Carisey's like, we got to take you to the 0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:58.640 er for tests to prove that you were drugged and 0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:01.200 we need to know. But it's been days by now. 0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:05.760 I think it's still the day after and GHB stays 0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:06.560 in their society. 0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:09.759 I don't feel like because they were so focused on 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:14.000 his it's like the attack he perpetrated, they really didn't 0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:17.239 focus on the attack on him, on him, and they 0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:20.720 should have taken him for swabs of everything immediately. 0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:23.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I do feel I don't. I 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:25.040 feel like they took him down to the station the 0:39:25.080 --> 0:39:27.520 next day and it would he showed up shirtless and 0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:29.600 then like that's he's been there the whole time. So 0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:31.360 but now they're taking him to the hospital. But you're right, 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:34.359 they should have done it earlier. And we also they 0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:35.759 tell him, and we also need to know how you 0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:37.880 booked Savannah and he's like, well, I don't want my 0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:39.960 wife to know, and Baby Dodds is like, dude, we 0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:41.839 could have rushed you right now, and that's something your 0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:43.280 wife's definitely going to know about. 0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:45.160 So you can work with us or not work with us. 0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:46.960 It's totally up to you now. 0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:50.840 Baby Dodds and Live are going through, uh, the info 0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:53.280 that they found out, which is that he found Savannah 0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:56.040 through Craigslist, he paid cash, and he used a fake name, 0:39:56.560 --> 0:39:58.719 and then Baby Dodds is like, well, I called the 0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:00.840 number and I booked an afternoon date with Savannah and 0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:04.080 he's like really smug about it, like I'm already going undercover, 0:40:04.200 --> 0:40:06.399 and Live is like, yeah, I don't really care about 0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:07.080 this sex worker. 0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:08.399 I want to close out the rape case. 0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:10.600 And Dods is like yeah, but if we don't track 0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:13.319 her down, he can claim we ignored that as a 0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:17.000 lead and like, honestly, that's what just happened in Cereal. 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:20.320 But anyway, and with odd, Noan sayed getting his child overturned, 0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:24.200 and liv says she prefers to be kept in the 0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:27.560 loop and then walks off and he's like, okay, listen, 0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:29.279 he follows her. He's like, my dad said, I was 0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:30.719 supposed to take the pressure off of you, but if 0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:33.200 you don't feel comfortable delegating, that's cool. And it's so 0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:36.239 funny because it's like you're putting it on her inability 0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:36.880 to delegate. 0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:39.200 It's just your first day at work and you're. 0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:40.960 Kind of going off a little bit half cocked, and 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:42.759 she's trying to get you to chill out. So she's like, 0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:45.800 but she's very diplomatic. She's like, why don't we just 0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:47.320 keep each other abreast. 0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:47.160 You know? 0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:51.080 And then Amanda and Kim meanwhile meet at an outdoor cafe. 0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:53.320 It very much feels like Bryant Park to me, but 0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:54.960 I can't tell you sure it is right. 0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:59.239 It is Bryan Park. I have killed time in that yes, yeah. 0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:03.759 And there's like a fancy restaurant in there. And one 0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:06.600 time I took our friend Michael for his birthday lunch 0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:07.960 because he worked in that area. 0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:10.160 Nice, so I took him there and then we used 0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:13.160 to do kream bar. Yeah. I love that part of 0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:14.640 New York. You. 0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:16.640 I used to go in the summer and sit outside 0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:19.040 and like there'd be pop up like drink kiosks and stuff. 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:21.279 And also I went ice skating there one time, at 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:23.480 the same place where Jill Zarin did her ice skating 0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:26.479 thing sub zero or something like that was so fun. 0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:29.520 I love ice skating anyway. So they're at Bryant Park, 0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:32.120 not ice skating, just meeting at an outdoor cafe, and 0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:35.520 Kim is like being This is what infuriates me so 0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:37.719 much about Kim, how she just acts like everything is 0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:41.080 so chill, and she's so like not pressed about anything because. 0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:42.000 Like, well because she believes it. 0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:45.040 Yet she believes that everything's always taken her, like everybody's 0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:46.719 always kind of like cleaned up her messes for her. 0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:49.400 So she's like life is just rainbows and fucking you know, 0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:53.840 pop tarts or whatever. And she asks Rollins immediately, Wow, Amanda, 0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:56.080 are you having twins, which is like exactly what a 0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:58.720 pregnant woman wants to hear all the time, and tells 0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:01.120 Rollins that she did not drug Anton, and then he 0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:03.120 gave her the flu as a gift, of course, a 0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:05.239 fifty thousand dollars gift. I don't think anyone's that great 0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:08.520 at blowjobs, but okay, and Rollins is about to absolutely 0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:10.920 lose it, and she demands that Kim turns herself in, 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:12.719 and then the mom shows up and wants to have 0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:16.360 like a girl's day. She's like, let's get drinks. And 0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:20.080 it's very like, you feel how frustrating Rowlins is because 0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:22.239 she's frustrated. She is because she's like, I'm the only 0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:24.000 normal person in my family and I'm not even that 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:24.760 fucking normal. 0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:28.800 Pregnant, so pregnant, yeah, like I have so rare for 0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:30.200 her baby shower. 0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:32.600 Yeah, yeah, it's so wild. 0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:35.560 So now they're at a sleazy motel where Dodds is 0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.680 supposed to be meeting up with Savannah, but Kim's pimp 0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:40.960 is there and he and Dodds is like, and there's 0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:43.960 another girl that he brought, this redhead, and Dodds is like, 0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:45.880 I don't want her to no offense. My ex is 0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:48.719 a redhead. I want Savannah, like, where's my blonde? And 0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:52.360 then the pimp pulls a knife and his name is Slice, 0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:55.040 and he pulls a knife and then Dodds pulls his 0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:57.120 gun and Carisy shows up for back up, and the 0:42:57.160 --> 0:43:00.319 whole like thing is you know, blown, and they make 0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:03.480 the pimp Slice text Savannah and They're like, get her 0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:05.880 to show up somewhere. So now we're back at the cafe. 0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:08.239 Kim's like, how am I in trouble when you're the 0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:09.799 one who's knocked up? And I bet you don't even 0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:11.600 know who the father is. Like, she just keeps like 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:14.360 cutting deeper and deeper. It's like Marlowe, how she cuts 0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:18.000 with these comments and the mom is like, that's not nice. 0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:21.360 Like wait, that's our next we should do which characters 0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:22.400 are which housewives? 0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:23.640 It's so fun. 0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:27.120 Yeah, Kim, I would say, Kim Rollins is like a 0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:30.320 Marlowe trauma, deeply traumatized and lashes out. 0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:32.480 And then she goes. 0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:35.080 The mom's like that's not nice, and Kim's like, well 0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:36.200 she shot my boyfriend. 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:38.200 And Ro's like you set. 0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:40.560 Me up and Kim's like, well you pulled the trigger 0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:42.640 and now I'm on the run. And then Rollins's like 0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:45.840 you robbed me, Like I don't know why I have 0:43:45.920 --> 0:43:47.880 to keep pointing out that you are a full criminal, 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:51.000 and the mom's like, girls, girls, I'm gonna go get 0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:55.399 us some cocktails. And Rollin's is like, how dumb are you? 0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:57.239 There's a warrant out for you in this city? Why 0:43:57.239 --> 0:44:01.000 did you come back here to start turning tricks, Like truly, 0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:02.960 she could have gone anywhere else where, Like there's not 0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:04.600 a warrant out for her, and she could have probably 0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:07.319 lived for a while without anyone noticing. And Rollin says, 0:44:07.360 --> 0:44:09.560 you better come with me or I have to arrest you, 0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:12.319 and she's like, you wouldn't do that, you'd break mama's heart. 0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:14.920 And then she's like, my agent's calling me, I gotta go, 0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.600 and Rollind's is like, yeah, you're pimp, You're not going anywhere. 0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:21.160 And then Kim does this like obnoxious like comeing get 0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:24.320 me shit where she starts like skipping away from Amanda 0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:26.719 and being like I was always faster than you, and 0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:28.239 then she's like what are you do? Shoot me in 0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:30.560 front of all these people, and then she bounces right 0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:33.240 out of there, and it is frustrating. 0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:36.880 But also Amanda fucking arrests her like you're breaking every rule, 0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:42.280 you're being shady. You're just the shadiest Kim at the moment. Honestly, Yeah, yeah, 0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:43.640 just's annoying. 0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:44.520 But like, but. 0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:48.879 If she runs away and she's pregnant, is she gonna 0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:50.319 chase her down or shoot her? 0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:52.560 No? But there shouldn't she should. 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:56.200 Have brought fit like, yeah, she's giving chances. Yeah, Like 0:44:56.520 --> 0:44:58.879 it's kind of like, what do you expect from these 0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:01.759 people you've known them, You're so like, I don't I 0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:04.239 want to feel bad. I obviously am frustrated, but it's 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:07.320 just like Kim, I mean, you're Randa, You're also making 0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:08.200 the worst decision. 0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:10.080 The move would have been to have like brought Finn 0:45:10.120 --> 0:45:11.960 and Creesy and been like just hang out over it, 0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:14.040 like hang out somewhere hidden, and if she tries to 0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:15.520 make a run for it, grab her. I'm gonna try 0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:17.279 to get her to turn herself in, but grab her 0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:20.279 if she if she runs, you're right, You're right. So 0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:22.680 now we're an interrogation. They've got slice. He has no 0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:25.200 idea where Savannah is. And Finn comes to tell liv 0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:29.160 that the DNA is back and Anton did rape Alessandra. 0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:31.360 Like so what like the fuck happened? 0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:34.640 So Finn's like to live okay, can we just shut 0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:37.080 the shit down about the sex worker? And she's like nah, 0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:39.120 like I gotta let baby Dodds have this, like he's 0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:40.640 working on it. I got to like let him have 0:45:40.680 --> 0:45:43.200 his little bone. Finn makes like some shady comment about 0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:44.719 baby Dodds and she goes, look, I asked you to 0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:45.720 take the sargeants examine. 0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:47.640 You said no, So now we have baby Dodds deal 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:47.920 with it. 0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:51.320 So sliced lawyers up and Dodd threatens him a bunch 0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:53.480 and then they leave and Live tells Dodds that they're 0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:56.279 dropping the whole Savannah thing. They got the DNA, they 0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:58.120 tried to find her. We're in the clear, like we 0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:00.759 did we like we did our best efforts. And he's like, well, 0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:02.720 what about the image from the pawn shop, and Finn 0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:05.399 says Tyroue's backed up and Rollins went back to check 0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:07.880 on it, and he's still covering for her. But she 0:46:08.040 --> 0:46:10.600 asks Finn again what is up with Rowlins and he's 0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:13.239 stone Walls and she says she appreciates him having his 0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:16.239 partner's back. Get her ass in here now, and it's like, uh, oh, 0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:19.600 mom is bad. So now they're talking to Anton and 0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:22.280 he's like, I swear I was drugged and they said 0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:26.399 they're working with her pimp to find her, and he goes, oh, 0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:28.400 a pimp, So these are bad people. And it's like 0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:30.640 you found her on Craigslist and you did pay her, so, 0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:33.000 like you know what, she does for a living, and 0:46:33.520 --> 0:46:37.040 they tell he could have been an independent contractor. True, 0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:38.560 but why does it make her a bad person that 0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:39.240 she has a pimp? 0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:40.560 Oh? 0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:42.239 I thought he meant like the pimp, like these are 0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:44.600 bad people, Like, uh, you know, like I think he's 0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:47.280 talking about Savannah too. He's like, these are all bad people. 0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:49.040 And it's like you kind of knew what you were 0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:53.200 getting into, like you know, like finding someone on Craigslist too. 0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:54.920 You know, it's not like you went with It's not 0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:58.080 like you found one of Delia or Ganzelle's higher end girls. 0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:01.320 You know. Anyway, they tell they found the flute and 0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:04.320 he's so relieved because he has a concert in Montreal tomorrow. 0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:07.720 Carisey's like, yeah, bro, you are not going to Montreal tomorrow. 0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:09.759 You're being charged with Alessandra's rape. 0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:12.200 And he looks devastated and he's like, let me talk 0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:12.880 to Alessandra. 0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:14.960 And they're like, yeah, that's absolutely not gonna happen. 0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:18.040 So now liv is talking to Rollins and confronting her 0:47:18.040 --> 0:47:21.520 about all her sketchy behavior and she's obviously confessed about Kim. 0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:24.000 So Rollins is explaining, like I thought it was the 0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:25.600 best course of actually would be like setting up a 0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:27.160 meat walking her in without a struggle. 0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:29.120 But then Finn goes, oh, but then. 0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:31.400 She never showed up right, and Rollins says like, it's okay, buddy, 0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:33.000 you can stop lying for me now, like I'll take 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:35.040 it from here. She's like, she did show up, but 0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:37.000 she was being a little baby bitch. She wouldn't listen 0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:38.520 to me. And they're like, so you just let her go, 0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:40.520 and Rollins is like, I wasn't going to pull out 0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:42.239 my gun and shoot my sister while my mom is 0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:44.840 on her way back with mimosas And I really like 0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:48.960 that line too, and Liv is like you could be charged, 0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:51.000 you could be fired, like why would you put your 0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:52.600 neck out for your fucking sister like this? 0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:53.879 And Rolinds is like you. 0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:56.440 Got to call off Baby Dodds and Lives like I can't, 0:47:57.080 --> 0:48:00.799 and liv says all the communication with Rollin's family from 0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:02.839 now on has got to be recorded, and you better 0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:04.680 figure out a way to get Kim's ass in here, 0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:07.440 and Rollins is like, I tried, she will not listen 0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:07.719 to me. 0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:09.440 We all know how crazy she is. 0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:12.480 Then Dodds walks in at that exact moment, Baby Dodds, 0:48:12.480 --> 0:48:14.920 and he's like guess what just got an ID with 0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:17.600 facial recognition from the pawn shop still and he obviously 0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:21.640 has id'ed Kim Rollins and he live asks him to 0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:24.920 close the door, and she tells him listen, I just 0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:27.160 found out myself. But Rollins and Finn are going to 0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:30.239 solve this, like, don't worry. But it took him two 0:48:30.280 --> 0:48:32.160 seconds to run it through facial idea, it feels like. 0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:34.520 And so all this stonewalling is very obvious that she's 0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:37.319 been rying. So they bring Mama Rollins in and tell 0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:39.520 her that they're filming her and she's like, I'm ready 0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:41.560 for my close up like she started, you know, she's 0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:46.360 very blanche, and then she's already covering for Kim, like saying, 0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:47.640 you know, she doesn't know where she is and this 0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:49.480 and that, and then Dodds is like there is an 0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:51.480 outstanding warrant on her and she's like, well, I don't 0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:53.560 know where she is, and they're like, listen up, bitch. 0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:55.680 Kim's pimp is pissed at her and he thinks she 0:48:55.800 --> 0:48:59.080 stole money and we better find her, but before he 0:48:59.120 --> 0:49:02.120 does or he'll hurt her or possibly worse. And this 0:49:02.360 --> 0:49:04.120 kind of sways the mom and She's like, I've been 0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:06.520 trying to call her, but she's not answering. And then 0:49:06.800 --> 0:49:09.120 suddenly Kim calls the mom on her cell phone and 0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:11.359 they have a little chat and when they hang up, 0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:13.799 she's like, they're like, where is she? And she's like, 0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:17.000 finally reveals she's at Amanda's apartment. I've been putting money 0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:18.680 aside for her, and that's where she went to go 0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:21.319 get it. The cops pull up as Kim is trying 0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:23.960 to make a run for it. She says slices up 0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:25.719 in her apartment and he's not doing so well and 0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:28.720 that it was self defense. Kim starts screaming at Amanda, 0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:31.160 why won't you let me live my life I wrote? 0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:33.040 And why don't you go do illegal shit in one 0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:34.880 of the many other cities where your sister is not 0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:35.840 an active detective. 0:49:35.880 --> 0:49:37.000 It's really strange, like. 0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:40.480 Go to Philadelphia, like I don't know upstairs caresium. Finn 0:49:40.520 --> 0:49:43.080 finds Slice on the floor of Amanda's apartment, bleeding from 0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:44.600 his nuts and they arrest him and. 0:49:44.560 --> 0:49:46.040 He's like, are you kidding me? 0:49:46.760 --> 0:49:49.080 You know, we got a lot of guys getting their 0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:51.279 dicks injured on this show. So now at the top 0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:53.399 of ack four. We're at the precincts. Kim's being let 0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:55.040 in in cuffs and she's like, can you please take 0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:57.000 these cuffs off me now? Like she thinks she's getting 0:49:57.000 --> 0:49:59.719 special treatment for being Kim's sister, and Finn just goes no, 0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:03.200 and her delusion, I feel like, is truly limitless. Like 0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:05.120 she acts like they're just hassling her and won't let 0:50:05.160 --> 0:50:07.799 her just like do her thing. And Mama Rollins is 0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:10.720 immediately like walks up and is like, oh happens my baby? 0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:11.879 She has blood on her? 0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:12.839 What did you do to her? 0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:15.680 And Rollins is like, no, this dumb bitch decided to 0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:18.560 slice up Slice and Kim goes he had it come 0:50:18.640 --> 0:50:22.879 in very cell blocked Tango from Chicago. Baby Dodds lets 0:50:22.880 --> 0:50:25.560 them know that Slice is gonna pull through. 0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:26.279 Thank god. 0:50:26.320 --> 0:50:27.960 He lost a lot of blood, but he's gonna make it, 0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:31.480 and Live tells Finn to drive a man and her 0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:33.160 mom home and that she's going to talk to Kim, 0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:34.680 and Amanda is like, well, then I'm staying here if 0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:37.239 you're talking to Kim, and Lives like, actually, bitch, no 0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:40.120 you're not. I'm calling the shots now, Kim, keep your 0:50:40.160 --> 0:50:42.120 mouth shut till a lawyer gets here, which they that's 0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:44.640 a courtesy. They don't usually do that to people, like 0:50:44.680 --> 0:50:46.479 they usually try to get to them to talk before 0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:49.040 the lawyer gets there. Then she's like, Finn, get these 0:50:49.040 --> 0:50:51.560 other two rollins brods out of here now, and so 0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:54.600 they all leave and the next scene, Kim is manically 0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:57.359 nodding her head alongside her lawyer, who looks like he's 0:50:57.400 --> 0:51:00.319 been practicing law for about five minutes. He says Kim 0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:03.000 has nothing to hide and it was obviously self defense, 0:51:03.080 --> 0:51:05.680 like we're happy to help. So Lives like, okay, spill it, 0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:08.839 and Kim's like, well, Slice kept texting me and he 0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:09.600 was real pissed. 0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:11.960 You guys should not have telled him about the flute. 0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:14.480 And it's like this is why she's so enraging, Like 0:51:14.560 --> 0:51:16.719 it truly is like always someone else's fault. It's not 0:51:16.760 --> 0:51:18.560 your fault you stole the flute. It's their fault. They 0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:21.120 told you're pimp about the flute. So she had to 0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:23.799 leave town and she's like, I gave my money to 0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:25.480 my mom who took it to Amanda's apartment, so I 0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:27.799 just went back to get it and Lives like okay, well, 0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:30.239 how did Slice find you, and the lawyer goes, why 0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:33.440 don't you ask him? He's been stalking her, and Kim's like, yeah, 0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:36.000 he was so mad and banging down the door. She 0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:37.759 tried to keep him in the hall, but he just 0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:40.400 barged in and beat her up. And then she shows 0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:43.000 the bruising on her face and she goes, so I 0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:44.640 lied and said the money was under the couch, and 0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:46.320 when he went to get it, I grabbed a knife. 0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:48.440 He turned and lunched. Next thing I know, he was 0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:50.640 on the floor and I was running. She's telling the 0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:52.719 story like it's like a cute folk tale about like 0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:54.960 a fox and a turtle, Like it's wild. She's like, 0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:57.839 and then the next thing that happened, like, she's got 0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:00.560 a grin on the entire time. I think that makes 0:52:00.560 --> 0:52:02.840 it hard for anyone to see her like as a victim. 0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:06.880 It's like, lose the chessure cat grin. Kimmy so careesy 0:52:06.960 --> 0:52:10.120 clarifies that this money is from stealing and selling a flute, 0:52:10.120 --> 0:52:11.879 but Kim and her lawyer are still on the whole 0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:15.239 The flute was a gift angle and the lawyer's like 0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:17.680 the meeting between her and Anton was completely like he. 0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:20.960 Has two hundred shows. Why would he give you the flue? 0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:23.480 He's busy exactly. 0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:28.760 So someone has my zoom recorder. I'm stolen. 0:52:29.960 --> 0:52:32.000 Someone like fucked you so good. You're like, take my 0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:34.879 zoom recorder. Oh my god, you need to have this. 0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:40.840 That was the best night of my life. So the 0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:44.800 lawyer clarifies that her meeting between with Anton was totally legal. 0:52:44.880 --> 0:52:46.160 They met online, they went on. 0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:48.000 A date, and I guess because it was cash, they 0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:51.480 can't really prove that any money changed hands, so lives like, okay, 0:52:51.480 --> 0:52:54.120 so after one date, this guy sweated you so hard 0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:57.080 he gave you his fifty thousand dollars flute and she's like, yeah, 0:52:57.120 --> 0:52:58.880 he said it was insured. He wanted to help me 0:52:58.880 --> 0:53:01.520 get my life together, maybe help me go back to school, 0:53:01.719 --> 0:53:03.600 and then if there's any money left over, maybe give 0:53:03.640 --> 0:53:06.440 it to Amanda and the baby. And like it's so manipulative. 0:53:06.600 --> 0:53:08.719 And Amanda and Finn are watching through the glass and 0:53:08.800 --> 0:53:11.080 Finn is just looking at Amanda, and Amanda's like, I know, 0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:13.279 I know, like I know, we all know what, Like 0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:16.680 we've seen this bitch before. And she's like, it's been 0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:20.520 my whole life with this manipulative little fucker and Kim says, yeah, 0:53:20.600 --> 0:53:23.279 Krasniakov was a little drunk and he'd taken a couple 0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:23.720 of pills. 0:53:23.840 --> 0:53:25.800 He offered me some, but I don't do drugs. 0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:28.040 They make people do crazy things, and it's like, you 0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:31.040 did drugs like three episodes ago, Dog, And then the 0:53:31.120 --> 0:53:34.040 lawyer interrupts and says, let's stop here, and Kim is 0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:36.520 like grinning at this guy like a dork and is like, 0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:41.520 I will refer defer to mister d'sapio. And so Kim's like, oh, 0:53:41.680 --> 0:53:45.600 and how Antona assaulted that poor woman. If he hadn't 0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:47.799 done that, none of us would be in this situation. 0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:52.120 And it's like crazy, like how this girl plays gymnastics 0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:52.880 with her own mind. 0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:55.080 So now we are in court at arraiment. 0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:58.719 Krasnikov pleads not guilty while all the Belladonna women are 0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:01.560 in the courtroom, and his lawyer argues that he was 0:54:01.640 --> 0:54:04.440 under the influence of an anesthetic narcotic given to him 0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:07.719 without his consent by a known criminal. The Ada is like, well, 0:54:07.719 --> 0:54:10.480 that was an escort he hired who denies giving him anything, 0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:12.439 and there were no drugs found in his system, which 0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:16.320 is a huge, huge point of content, like in the episode, 0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:18.759 because It's like, wow, why did you do that? If 0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:20.719 there were I was under the assumption this whole time 0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:22.400 that this guy had been drugged with some They were 0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:24.719 going to tell me about some crazy new drug from 0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:27.319 Brazil that I've never heard of or whatever, and he 0:54:27.400 --> 0:54:29.279 was on when we know about all the drugs, And 0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:30.879 that's why I was worried that they didn't drug test 0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:33.720 some sooner. GHB, I thought, leaves your body after twenty 0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:39.120 four hours. Kabbalamine is untraceable, right, yeah, I think maybe untraceable. 0:54:39.280 --> 0:54:41.319 Yeah, Like I don't know. 0:54:41.520 --> 0:54:45.560 I just obviously this show, all the men are constantly guilty, 0:54:45.640 --> 0:54:47.560 but like I don't think the duds are rapist. 0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:51.440 I know, but like he did it. It's just it's twists. 0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:52.600 It's like it is. 0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:56.240 A but it's also crazy, like if you were drugged, okay, 0:54:57.080 --> 0:55:00.400 why would you go down to another floor and to 0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:02.520 the room of someone you knew if you were fully drugged, 0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:03.759 why didn't when you just bang on a bunch of 0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:05.800 rooms on your own door and it was banging. 0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:08.440 I think he was banging on all the rooms and 0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:12.000 then she recognized him and opened it or no, he was. 0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:14.919 Banging on her door and then she let the door. Yeah, 0:55:14.920 --> 0:55:16.919 and well no, he was maybe banging on other doors, 0:55:16.920 --> 0:55:18.400 but he went to a different floor. 0:55:19.120 --> 0:55:20.000 Like it's kind of nuts. 0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:21.520 He went to a different floor and went to a 0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:23.200 room if someone you knew, And I think that's what 0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:24.680 the cops at the beginning are, like, you knew where 0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:26.799 her room was, and he's like, oh, well we checked 0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:30.279 in together. Like that's like, you know, yeah it is. 0:55:30.400 --> 0:55:32.200 I agree with you. I don't think he did it, 0:55:32.200 --> 0:55:36.239 but they make this episode very nebulous, and you're kind 0:55:36.239 --> 0:55:39.000 of like, what did happen? Like because if you're just 0:55:39.160 --> 0:55:41.839 on a crazy drug binge that turns you violent, which, 0:55:41.880 --> 0:55:45.279 by the way, it doesn't seem scopolamine does that. Scapolomine 0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:48.719 turns you into like a viable zombie. GHB turns you 0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:52.680 basically passed out, I think, or viable nothing turns you 0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:55.200 into a rage machine who will go rape. Maybe there 0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:56.919 is something and I don't know about it. I'm waiting 0:55:56.920 --> 0:55:58.839 for Melinda Warner to tell me what the fuck this is. 0:55:59.000 --> 0:56:02.600 No, you're right, all the drugs could incapacitate, not. 0:56:03.600 --> 0:56:07.200 Like costage here, so like then it's like not only that, 0:56:07.239 --> 0:56:08.800 but you don't just hit your first victim. 0:56:08.840 --> 0:56:10.400 You go down and you find someone that you know. 0:56:11.239 --> 0:56:14.960 So maybe it's like something that was deep down beside 0:56:15.040 --> 0:56:17.280 inside him that he wanted to attack this woman. 0:56:17.360 --> 0:56:17.640 I don't know. 0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:19.680 They didn't even show at the beginning, like a look 0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:21.480 between him and her, you know what I mean, like 0:56:21.760 --> 0:56:23.440 that maybe he has a crush on her or something 0:56:23.480 --> 0:56:26.640 like that. Well, and I feel usually we're pretty discerning 0:56:27.080 --> 0:56:30.600 audience members that like when someone is lying up top, 0:56:30.680 --> 0:56:31.560 we kind of see it. 0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:33.560 Yeah, we know what's up. 0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:36.360 Like he did really play it as though he really 0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:37.560 had no idea what. 0:56:37.480 --> 0:56:38.000 Was going on. 0:56:39.160 --> 0:56:42.479 So but also he must have been kind of on something, 0:56:42.480 --> 0:56:44.080 because it's like, if you really wanted to just like 0:56:44.200 --> 0:56:45.600 rape this woman, it would have made a lot more 0:56:45.600 --> 0:56:47.399 sense to just walk down to her room and be like, hey, 0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:49.160 want to have a drink and then attack her rather 0:56:49.200 --> 0:56:50.960 than run through the hallways of a hotel. 0:56:51.040 --> 0:56:51.239 Navy. 0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:54.560 Maybe she wanted to talk him the most famous floutists 0:56:54.600 --> 0:56:56.760 in the world, Maybe she would have wanted. 0:56:57.120 --> 0:56:58.200 But I know this, Oh, if. 0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:00.560 He hadn't come in at her like that, yes, like yeah, 0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:02.239 if he had maybe gone, if he had maybe like 0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:06.560 actually tried it, like to hit on her, maybe yeah. 0:57:06.640 --> 0:57:09.360 So anyway, the Ada was like, no, he was on 0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:11.320 a sex and drinking binge turn violent. 0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:13.480 Krasnikov speaks up and goes, this is a nightmare. 0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:16.600 I don't remember any of this, and then Adya is like, 0:57:17.280 --> 0:57:19.400 we want remand your honor, like this dude is an 0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:23.040 international superstar floutist with the means to flee, and his 0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:25.600 lawyer is like, but he needs his passport to travel, 0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:27.760 and it's like, not a great argument, sir, That's exactly 0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:30.440 why they're taking it away from him. So he's not 0:57:30.480 --> 0:57:33.800 making these concerts and they remand him without bail. And 0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:35.680 if you know about the actual justice system, if you 0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:37.919 get put away without bail, like you're not getting out 0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:40.080 for a long time, like courts take a while, Like 0:57:40.560 --> 0:57:43.520 he's not making any of his concerts. So he does 0:57:43.560 --> 0:57:45.120 have a moment in the courtroom where he tries to 0:57:45.160 --> 0:57:47.720 make eye contact with Alessandra, but like she's not won't 0:57:47.720 --> 0:57:50.840 look at him, and then Alessandra chases down Benson is like, 0:57:51.080 --> 0:57:51.760 are people. 0:57:51.480 --> 0:57:53.000 Going to buy this drugging story? 0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:55.160 Like they said there were no drugs found in his system, 0:57:55.520 --> 0:57:58.120 and she says he definitely knew what he was doing, 0:57:58.600 --> 0:58:00.760 so it's weird, like she doesn't even say, he seemed 0:58:00.800 --> 0:58:02.360 like a zombie, he seemed like an animal. 0:58:02.400 --> 0:58:03.560 There was no getting through to him. 0:58:03.640 --> 0:58:05.600 She says, like he seems like he knew exactly what 0:58:05.640 --> 0:58:07.000 he came there to do or whatever. 0:58:07.400 --> 0:58:09.000 But again, yeah, she's the victim. 0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:12.440 So our focus moves to Amanda, who is now chasing 0:58:12.480 --> 0:58:14.920 down mister DeSapio, trying to get him to understand how 0:58:14.960 --> 0:58:16.560 supremely fucked up her sister is. 0:58:16.600 --> 0:58:17.480 And she's like, you don't. 0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:20.000 Get it, Like Kim doesn't hear anything she doesn't want 0:58:20.040 --> 0:58:22.560 to hear. And Amanda says, you told her if she 0:58:22.560 --> 0:58:24.960 doesn't take this plea, she's looking at a long stretch right, 0:58:25.000 --> 0:58:26.840 and he's like, don't worry, I spoke to the eightya, 0:58:27.040 --> 0:58:27.520 We're all. 0:58:27.400 --> 0:58:29.800 On the same page. Now we're back in court for 0:58:29.880 --> 0:58:30.680 Kim's arrangment. 0:58:30.920 --> 0:58:32.920 Rollins is trying to get scooped from Creesy, like, do 0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:34.720 you think Dodds is run in his mouth about my 0:58:34.760 --> 0:58:37.520 back door dealings in this episode? And Caresee's like, I 0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:38.959 think we only have to worry about if he tells 0:58:38.960 --> 0:58:41.320 his dad, and the judge is like, welcome back to 0:58:41.360 --> 0:58:43.560 New York, Ms Rollins, which I love a little bit 0:58:43.600 --> 0:58:47.120 of Judge shade, and they bring up the manslaughter charge 0:58:47.120 --> 0:58:48.920 in the death of Jeff Parker, who was her ex 0:58:48.960 --> 0:58:52.360 boyfriend that Rollin shot, and Kim is like, oh no, 0:58:52.480 --> 0:58:54.960 I can't explain that, and the ADA pipes up to 0:58:54.960 --> 0:58:57.600 say that they are also charging her with grand larceny 0:58:57.680 --> 0:59:00.360 and assault, but in exchange for a guilty plea for 0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:03.000 her manslaughter charge, the people are willing to drop the 0:59:03.080 --> 0:59:06.480 charges of flute stealing and pimp stabbing. So now they 0:59:06.520 --> 0:59:09.240 ask her how she pleads, and we see her whispering 0:59:09.240 --> 0:59:12.320 to mister Dasapio a lot and touching his arm and 0:59:12.360 --> 0:59:14.840 like smiling at him and like they're flirting at a bar, 0:59:15.440 --> 0:59:16.640 and Dsapio. 0:59:16.400 --> 0:59:20.000 Real sisters, real sisters, very similar this time. You see 0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:23.640 their sisterly traits come out exactly, both flirt machines. 0:59:23.880 --> 0:59:24.160 Yes. 0:59:24.960 --> 0:59:29.120 D'sapio reluctantly says not guilty on all charges, which totally 0:59:29.120 --> 0:59:33.080 renegs the plea deal, and the ADA is like, okay, cool, 0:59:33.120 --> 0:59:35.960 we will proceed on all charges then, and they remand 0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:38.840 her to Rikers and she acts like she just won 0:59:38.880 --> 0:59:41.200 an award. Like Kim is like huge grid on her 0:59:41.200 --> 0:59:43.840 face and I think we don't know she's bipolar, yet 0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:46.280 I don't write I don't think we know she's by 0:59:46.280 --> 0:59:48.040 polar as of this episode. I think this is what 0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:50.680 they're setting up, Like no one is getting remanded to 0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:52.920 Rikers with a huge smile on their face, like Rikers 0:59:52.960 --> 0:59:56.720 is a nightmare, Like that's not fun. So outside the courtroom, 0:59:56.760 --> 0:59:59.680 the squad is talking to Amanda and Cariese's like, yeah, 0:59:59.760 --> 1:00:01.880 mad in the headlines, and he's like he always says 1:00:01.960 --> 1:00:03.880 dumb shit like this, and I think that's why, Like 1:00:03.920 --> 1:00:05.240 I've never been really horny for him. 1:00:05.280 --> 1:00:06.720 I always feel like he says the wrong thing at 1:00:06.720 --> 1:00:07.280 the wrong time. 1:00:07.400 --> 1:00:10.800 He's changed a lot, but at these early seasons, it's like, yeah, 1:00:10.800 --> 1:00:12.360 that's what she wants to hear right now that her 1:00:12.360 --> 1:00:15.080 sister's going to be in the headlines, Thank you so much, Cursy. 1:00:15.720 --> 1:00:17.960 So Amanda stops her mom and is like, you got 1:00:17.960 --> 1:00:18.760 to talk to Kim, mom. 1:00:18.800 --> 1:00:19.680 She's making a mistake. 1:00:19.760 --> 1:00:22.720 And now we see like exactly the delusional tree that 1:00:22.800 --> 1:00:26.280 Kim's apple came from, like she is Mama Rolins is 1:00:26.320 --> 1:00:28.960 like blaming it all on Amanda. If you hadn't arrested Kim, 1:00:29.040 --> 1:00:31.280 she'd be safe and out of town and a fucking 1:00:31.320 --> 1:00:34.280 fugitive of the law, and Amanda's like, uh, her pimp 1:00:34.320 --> 1:00:35.880 could have killed her, and her mom's like, oh, she 1:00:35.960 --> 1:00:36.640 handled that man. 1:00:36.840 --> 1:00:39.360 Just fun. Kim can take care of herself. This was 1:00:39.400 --> 1:00:40.960 about you choosing work over. 1:00:40.880 --> 1:00:43.280 Family, and it's like she literally chose her family over 1:00:43.320 --> 1:00:45.040 work for a lot of this episode. 1:00:45.800 --> 1:00:49.320 And then Mama Rollins says, sorry, Darling. 1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:50.840 I can't stay to help with the baby anymore, and 1:00:50.880 --> 1:00:53.360 it seems like You've got it all covered, and she's like, 1:00:53.400 --> 1:00:55.320 I'll be back for Kim's trial and then maybe by 1:00:55.360 --> 1:00:57.680 then you'll have learned the value of family. And like 1:00:58.080 --> 1:01:02.280 Virginia Madsend Mike drop Out, Rollins is like flabbergasted. She 1:01:02.280 --> 1:01:03.960 looks like she just got hit by a truck, like 1:01:04.000 --> 1:01:06.120 her eyes are widening, and she like, you know, and 1:01:06.160 --> 1:01:08.240 then she starts to feel faint, like the stress of 1:01:08.240 --> 1:01:10.360 all this is getting to her, and she's like I'm fine, 1:01:10.400 --> 1:01:12.320 I'm fine, and then the squad's are like all around 1:01:12.320 --> 1:01:14.760 her and she fully passes out and they take her 1:01:14.800 --> 1:01:17.480 to the hospital. So now in the waiting room, Careese 1:01:17.480 --> 1:01:19.200 is stressed and he's like she going into labor, and 1:01:19.280 --> 1:01:21.320 Finn's like they would have told us shut up, and 1:01:21.360 --> 1:01:24.360 then he immediately tries to talk about her family with Finn. 1:01:25.200 --> 1:01:27.720 He's all like, well, Rollin's his family, huh. And Finn's like, yeah, 1:01:27.720 --> 1:01:30.720 all family has shit, and Cariese's like yeah, but her 1:01:30.760 --> 1:01:32.480 family has a lot of shit, and it's like, I 1:01:32.520 --> 1:01:34.760 don't know. Finn's X step son was a murderer played 1:01:34.760 --> 1:01:38.040 by Ludacris and Carisi. You have so much family drama 1:01:38.040 --> 1:01:40.400 coming up in the next few seasons, like your brother 1:01:40.400 --> 1:01:42.440 in law's getting like raped by his parole guard. 1:01:42.520 --> 1:01:43.800 Like, you guys have a lot going on. 1:01:44.400 --> 1:01:48.160 So they wheel her out eventually Rollins and she's like 1:01:48.200 --> 1:01:50.080 it was just a blood pressure spike from stress. 1:01:50.120 --> 1:01:52.480 I'm fine, and they're gonna drive her home now. 1:01:52.560 --> 1:01:55.520 Live is in the office with eyebrows Dods adult dods 1:01:55.880 --> 1:01:59.000 and suggesting that Amanda maybe takes some time off before 1:01:59.000 --> 1:02:01.200 the baby, and then she He's like, yeah, I'll try 1:02:01.200 --> 1:02:03.160 to get her to do that, and then he's like, 1:02:03.200 --> 1:02:05.800 how's baby dods doing and lives like he's really stepping up, 1:02:05.840 --> 1:02:08.000 and she he goes, let me know about any issues. 1:02:08.080 --> 1:02:09.800 It's like, I don't really think that she needs to 1:02:09.960 --> 1:02:11.920 report to you. There's like a whole process with that, 1:02:12.520 --> 1:02:14.840 and then baby Dodds comes in and is like, oh, 1:02:14.920 --> 1:02:16.880 is my dad check it up on me? Sorry about that, 1:02:16.960 --> 1:02:18.520 and lives like shut that. There's a lot of shut 1:02:18.560 --> 1:02:20.440 the door in this episode. Meebe by the vending machines, 1:02:20.440 --> 1:02:22.880 shut the door. So liv wants to reiterate when I 1:02:22.880 --> 1:02:24.840 told you not to follow up on that escort lead. 1:02:24.920 --> 1:02:27.040 I truly had no idea it was Rolind's sister. I 1:02:27.080 --> 1:02:29.320 did not find out until you found out, like I 1:02:29.320 --> 1:02:31.160 found out five seconds before you walked in the room. 1:02:31.560 --> 1:02:33.600 And she's spoken to Rollins and Finn and will be 1:02:33.640 --> 1:02:36.400 continuing to do so, and Dodds is like, go easy 1:02:36.440 --> 1:02:39.680 on them. Families complicated, and he knows everyone thinks he's 1:02:39.720 --> 1:02:41.760 like the boss's son and that they've got to watch 1:02:41.760 --> 1:02:44.720 what they say around him. But he's like, it's Vegas rules, Baby. 1:02:44.720 --> 1:02:45.480 What happens at. 1:02:45.360 --> 1:02:48.040 SVU stays at SVU, and he gives her his word 1:02:48.080 --> 1:02:50.360 and they shake hands, and we get a feeling that 1:02:50.640 --> 1:02:52.320 we're not going to hate him the way we have 1:02:52.400 --> 1:02:54.440 hated Dodds, because Dodds has been such an asshole to 1:02:54.440 --> 1:02:55.520 Olivia for so many seasons. 1:02:55.600 --> 1:02:59.720 No, but after watching this episode, I continued watching a 1:02:59.760 --> 1:03:04.000 few more and Patrimonial Burden is right after this, and 1:03:04.040 --> 1:03:06.360 we did that and it's like the ones set up 1:03:07.040 --> 1:03:10.480 based on the Duggers. But he is like shitting on 1:03:10.680 --> 1:03:12.680 Benson to Finn in the elevator. I don't know if 1:03:12.680 --> 1:03:15.680 you remember, but he's like, oh, I've done this with 1:03:15.720 --> 1:03:18.760 the Hasidics blah blah blah, and Finn has to be like, no, 1:03:19.040 --> 1:03:21.480 if she thinks there's a crime, there's a crime, like 1:03:21.560 --> 1:03:24.920 you need to sell and like, so he's good in 1:03:24.960 --> 1:03:27.440 his nature, but I think it's he's still. 1:03:27.320 --> 1:03:29.240 Oh yeah, he's not going to change in one episode, 1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:31.640 but I think we're not gonna fucking in like furiously 1:03:31.680 --> 1:03:34.439 hate it, Like there were episodes where I hated eyebrows 1:03:34.480 --> 1:03:37.400 so much. Like he's just being so awful to live, 1:03:37.520 --> 1:03:39.840 like just to as the show loves to do, just 1:03:39.880 --> 1:03:44.840 to make her life miserable. Anyway, So now at Rikers, 1:03:44.880 --> 1:03:48.360 Amanda is visiting Kim and she walks in and Kim's 1:03:48.400 --> 1:03:50.960 like Amanda and gives her this big hug, kind of 1:03:51.000 --> 1:03:53.280 like the way she tries to reset every time they 1:03:53.320 --> 1:03:55.760 see each other, and Amanda's like, what do you want? 1:03:55.800 --> 1:03:57.280 I need to get to work, like it's. 1:03:57.120 --> 1:03:58.880 Like, I don't have time to really be at Rikers 1:03:58.880 --> 1:04:01.600 and I'm also about to, like but pregnant, and Kim 1:04:01.640 --> 1:04:03.440 tells her, I just wanted you to know that everything's 1:04:03.480 --> 1:04:05.960 going to be all right, and she starts gushing about 1:04:05.960 --> 1:04:08.840 Lorenzo Dsapia, her lawyer, and how he wants to go 1:04:08.880 --> 1:04:10.720 to trial. He wanted to go to trial, but she 1:04:10.800 --> 1:04:13.840 called him off, and Roland's is like, wait, what are 1:04:13.880 --> 1:04:16.280 you even talking about? And she's like, Lorenzo said a 1:04:16.280 --> 1:04:18.280 lot of stuff when he met with the DA, like 1:04:18.320 --> 1:04:20.760 how you didn't tell live when you id'd me or 1:04:20.840 --> 1:04:23.320 let people know that I was even in town. Also 1:04:23.360 --> 1:04:25.960 a lot of personal stuff between us, the cycle of abuse, 1:04:26.040 --> 1:04:28.520 how you were raped on the job, which I don't 1:04:28.800 --> 1:04:31.440 like recall the timeline of this season that well, but 1:04:31.480 --> 1:04:33.280 I don't know if we knew that already, like that 1:04:33.320 --> 1:04:35.040 she was raped on the job, because I remember she 1:04:35.240 --> 1:04:38.360 was assaulted, we thought by one of her captains. But 1:04:38.440 --> 1:04:40.520 was that what they're talking about, like by the Harry 1:04:40.520 --> 1:04:41.320 Hamlin character. 1:04:41.360 --> 1:04:42.800 I thought, but is this what they're talking about? I 1:04:42.840 --> 1:04:46.120 don't know. Anyway, She's like, you're gambling addiction. 1:04:46.440 --> 1:04:48.160 All that would have come up during the trial, and 1:04:48.200 --> 1:04:51.240 I didn't want to put you through the stress of testifying. 1:04:51.320 --> 1:04:55.600 So weird part of this like manipulative game she plays 1:04:55.680 --> 1:04:57.480 is that she sets up all this chaos and then 1:04:57.480 --> 1:05:00.560 acts like she's saving the day. And she's like, Lorenzo's 1:05:00.560 --> 1:05:02.959 gonna come up with another plea, like an umbrella plea, 1:05:02.960 --> 1:05:05.600 and I'm going to testify against Anton again, acting like 1:05:05.640 --> 1:05:08.600 she did not have a hand in drugging him. She 1:05:08.640 --> 1:05:10.720 definitely drugged him, I don't know what, because she made 1:05:10.800 --> 1:05:12.360 him pass out I think before they did anything and 1:05:12.400 --> 1:05:14.320 stole his flut. I think she drugged him to rob him, 1:05:14.720 --> 1:05:21.280 but it definitely facilitated what happened in some way. But like, 1:05:21.720 --> 1:05:23.680 I do think she's kind of an accessory to this 1:05:23.760 --> 1:05:27.280 sexual assault for sure. And she says, Lorenzo thinks I 1:05:27.280 --> 1:05:29.680 could be out in under a year, which I don't 1:05:29.680 --> 1:05:33.200 really know with manslaughter and grand larceny and assault how 1:05:33.200 --> 1:05:37.080 that would happen. But Amanda's like, it's not gonna happen, babe, 1:05:37.240 --> 1:05:40.080 And she says, well either way, Lorenzo says he's gonna 1:05:40.080 --> 1:05:42.480 wait for me. I think he's gonna marry me. Wouldn't 1:05:42.520 --> 1:05:45.920 that be something? And she like looks kind of evil 1:05:46.200 --> 1:05:49.280 and she says, like Mama says, everything works out in 1:05:49.320 --> 1:05:52.280 the end, and it's like, yeah, and that's Dick Wolf. 1:05:52.520 --> 1:05:55.040 And I do think it's kind of. 1:05:54.960 --> 1:05:57.760 Weird that the show never, like they don't always show 1:05:57.800 --> 1:06:00.520 you the court like verdict coming in, like the jury 1:06:00.600 --> 1:06:02.400 saying guilty, but they will have like a lot a 1:06:02.440 --> 1:06:05.640 throwaway line where it's like, by the way Anton's lawyer 1:06:05.680 --> 1:06:07.360 got him talked down to three months in jail, he'd 1:06:07.400 --> 1:06:09.000 been playing concerts by the end of the year, you 1:06:09.080 --> 1:06:12.000 know what I mean, or like something just to sum 1:06:12.080 --> 1:06:14.600 up what happened to Anton, Like in the SVU universe, 1:06:14.640 --> 1:06:16.480 we have no idea what the fuck happened to Anton? 1:06:16.600 --> 1:06:19.680 And we got no closure on our flute guy. 1:06:19.960 --> 1:06:23.320 No, but this is a really fun episode, lots of dynamics. 1:06:23.360 --> 1:06:25.120 I do want to know what happened to Anton, but 1:06:25.760 --> 1:06:27.560 I will tell you what happened in the real case. 1:06:27.800 --> 1:06:43.640 I can't wait. I know nothing about it, all right. 1:06:43.920 --> 1:06:49.160 So this guy that this story is based on, it's 1:06:49.200 --> 1:06:51.280 with an f is it's Stefan or Steven. 1:06:51.640 --> 1:06:52.480 I think it's Stefan. 1:06:52.920 --> 1:06:56.080 He's German, Yeah, but I only think of Bill Hayter, 1:06:56.360 --> 1:06:57.560 you know, Well. 1:06:57.760 --> 1:06:59.680 I actually have a friend whose kid has named this 1:06:59.720 --> 1:07:02.600 and it's Stefan, So I don't know if it's like 1:07:02.680 --> 1:07:05.400 Stefan Stefan, but yeah, it does remind me of New 1:07:05.480 --> 1:07:08.120 York's hottest club DJ Snows and Lucci. 1:07:09.840 --> 1:07:14.080 And his last name is Ursberger with a Z in there, 1:07:14.280 --> 1:07:17.360 so that's exciting. So this guy, he's a German national, 1:07:17.840 --> 1:07:22.200 he's a violinist. No flutes here, and at the time 1:07:22.200 --> 1:07:24.640 of the incident he was playing with his colleagues in 1:07:24.760 --> 1:07:32.600 the Lipzig String Quartet world renown, world renowned. Yeah, I 1:07:32.600 --> 1:07:35.080 guess people see this type of music, you know, there's 1:07:35.160 --> 1:07:37.720 all different types of people, and people are seeing this 1:07:37.880 --> 1:07:39.600 quartet and they're popular. 1:07:40.360 --> 1:07:42.160 So me, it's just like when we're talking about the 1:07:42.200 --> 1:07:44.000 episode though, it's just like there's people that go see 1:07:44.000 --> 1:07:46.600 classical music and then there's people that go see like, 1:07:47.280 --> 1:07:50.600 you know, rocky more upbeat music. I just didn't know 1:07:50.640 --> 1:07:53.480 that there was like an overlap where like jazz flute 1:07:53.560 --> 1:07:56.000 violin would be super popular, but there is. 1:07:57.720 --> 1:08:00.800 So he came to town with the quartet March twentieth, 1:08:00.840 --> 1:08:03.960 twenty fifteen for a brief tour and the concert was 1:08:03.960 --> 1:08:06.800 at the Library of Congress, which I think is cool. 1:08:06.880 --> 1:08:10.120 Right, So when they came to town, where did he go DC? 1:08:10.920 --> 1:08:13.520 Well, no, okay, So he came to the States with 1:08:13.600 --> 1:08:16.800 the quartet on March twentieth, twenty fifteen for a brief tour. 1:08:17.200 --> 1:08:19.880 It included the concert at the Library of Congress, which 1:08:19.880 --> 1:08:21.880 he did, and then the next one was going to 1:08:21.920 --> 1:08:24.280 be the Harvard Club, but he missed it because he 1:08:24.360 --> 1:08:25.480 wasn't police custody. 1:08:25.680 --> 1:08:26.680 Ooh. 1:08:27.200 --> 1:08:29.760 So he was accused of barging naked into the room 1:08:29.800 --> 1:08:31.960 of a sixty four year old woman at a midtown 1:08:32.000 --> 1:08:35.759 hotel in New York. He was staying in there while 1:08:35.800 --> 1:08:38.839 he was on tour, and it was March twenty seventh, 1:08:38.920 --> 1:08:42.160 twenty fifteen, was the day of the attack. 1:08:42.280 --> 1:08:43.599 In New York City. 1:08:44.040 --> 1:08:46.840 He was trying to strangle her and was charged with 1:08:46.880 --> 1:08:51.519 attempted murder, burglary, strangulation, and assault, and a civil suit 1:08:51.560 --> 1:08:55.240 from the woman. The woman's name is Pamela Robinson and 1:08:55.280 --> 1:08:57.800 she was a tourist from Asheville, North Carolina. 1:08:58.040 --> 1:09:01.400 I've been there. Oh, gosh, me too. It's cute. It's fun. 1:09:01.520 --> 1:09:02.200 I like it there. 1:09:02.320 --> 1:09:05.080 No, Ashville's great, it's like the artsy cute. It's not 1:09:05.120 --> 1:09:06.880 that there's not other great parts of North Carolina. But 1:09:06.960 --> 1:09:09.160 everyone says like Ashville's like the artsy kind of like 1:09:10.560 --> 1:09:11.439 hyah area. 1:09:12.000 --> 1:09:15.240 I had good biscuits, I had a good hike, like 1:09:15.360 --> 1:09:17.800 it was. I stayed in a shady motel, I'll tell 1:09:17.800 --> 1:09:20.400 you that much, but a lot of. 1:09:20.360 --> 1:09:22.800 Breweries and retired people. I was into it. 1:09:23.360 --> 1:09:29.120 So she left with injuries, including bruising and burst blood 1:09:29.200 --> 1:09:32.400 vessels in her neck. So he really pressed down. I 1:09:32.400 --> 1:09:35.640 would say his defense was that he was drugged by 1:09:35.680 --> 1:09:37.920 a sex worker that he brought to his room earlier 1:09:37.920 --> 1:09:39.000 in the night of the attack. 1:09:39.400 --> 1:09:41.639 Who done done was a man. 1:09:43.439 --> 1:09:46.280 DNA style though this is all old. It was like 1:09:46.400 --> 1:09:49.160 someone that was trans but yeah, but I don't know 1:09:49.200 --> 1:09:52.400 if it was like a drag queen vibes or full 1:09:52.479 --> 1:09:55.960 trans vibe, like I don't know what it was. Yeah, yeah, 1:09:56.240 --> 1:09:59.040 so not you know, man DNA style. 1:09:59.240 --> 1:10:00.599 I'm not like miss Jim. 1:10:00.720 --> 1:10:03.759 Yeah, it was biologically male DNA. But if this person 1:10:03.840 --> 1:10:05.200 was presenting as a woman. We don't know if this 1:10:05.200 --> 1:10:06.680 person was presenting as a woman or. 1:10:06.600 --> 1:10:10.240 Not, or a performer, like, we really don't know. Hotel 1:10:10.320 --> 1:10:14.240 video surveillance shows Oursburger going into his room accompanied by 1:10:14.280 --> 1:10:18.000 a woman who later turned out to be biologically Jerry 1:10:18.040 --> 1:10:23.400 Neptune aka Natalie Pros. So, okay, you know, this is 1:10:23.560 --> 1:10:24.919 very close to the episode. 1:10:24.920 --> 1:10:29.599 I would say, okay, right, yeah, okay, you. 1:10:29.720 --> 1:10:33.080 Just keep saying okay, no, no, no, no, no, Like, yeah, 1:10:33.120 --> 1:10:36.120 it's so close. I'm kind of thinking that maybe this 1:10:36.920 --> 1:10:39.360 was a transsext worker if they were presenting as a 1:10:39.400 --> 1:10:43.160 woman to the surveillance video, you know, like and but 1:10:43.200 --> 1:10:43.759 I don't. 1:10:43.560 --> 1:10:45.960 Know if it's like for work or an all the 1:10:46.000 --> 1:10:50.360 time suggestionion. Yeah, yeah, like that's kind of like that 1:10:50.400 --> 1:10:51.040 does happen. 1:10:51.479 --> 1:10:52.479 I only know what I know. 1:10:53.520 --> 1:10:59.520 So the the tape showed that this person Neptune aka Natalie, 1:11:00.360 --> 1:11:04.760 left the room of Oursburger alone with the violinist's iPad 1:11:04.960 --> 1:11:08.599 under their arm. The tape also shows Oursburger stumble out 1:11:08.600 --> 1:11:11.519 of his room and was naked and mindlessly knocking on 1:11:11.600 --> 1:11:14.599 guest doors. He said that he remembered nothing at all 1:11:14.640 --> 1:11:17.040 from that night. He says that he was drugged at 1:11:17.040 --> 1:11:19.920 a bar and was disoriented for five hours, and that 1:11:20.000 --> 1:11:22.519 he got robbed. All the credit cards that were taken 1:11:22.560 --> 1:11:25.879 were used with what People magazine called high criminal energy. 1:11:26.439 --> 1:11:28.320 I wan serious damage. 1:11:28.520 --> 1:11:30.400 Oh my god, can we make merch that says high 1:11:30.439 --> 1:11:31.760 criminal energy. 1:11:31.880 --> 1:11:38.280 Yeah, so that's why I stumbled a little because I 1:11:38.360 --> 1:11:40.559 was like, wait, what is it? Yeah, I wonder what 1:11:40.560 --> 1:11:42.800 that means, just like probably going to Barney's and buying 1:11:42.840 --> 1:11:43.559 like yeah, I. 1:11:44.200 --> 1:11:47.240 See charges that are out of the norm and like crazy, 1:11:47.320 --> 1:11:49.240 and you're like, loop, that's high criminal energy. 1:11:50.080 --> 1:11:52.120 We should Yeah, next time we're out and about, we 1:11:52.120 --> 1:11:53.800 should be like, oh, that guy's giving. 1:11:53.560 --> 1:11:57.920 Me the high criminal energy. But we got a scadadle 1:11:58.040 --> 1:12:01.880 out of here. So so this person just took an 1:12:01.880 --> 1:12:05.040 iPad and meanwhile, the violin is probably worth a lot. 1:12:04.880 --> 1:12:08.320 More to take the violin unless you're in the no. 1:12:08.520 --> 1:12:10.640 I don't know if you know that instruments are a 1:12:10.680 --> 1:12:13.760 lot but so much craftsmanship. 1:12:13.800 --> 1:12:15.920 You should know that a lot goes into making it 1:12:15.920 --> 1:12:17.040 and maybe harder to sell. 1:12:17.080 --> 1:12:19.000 You can sell an iPad like anywhere, and like no 1:12:19.000 --> 1:12:21.120 one's gonna bother to like by a violin. 1:12:21.120 --> 1:12:22.639 You might have to go to like a special place 1:12:22.680 --> 1:12:23.479 to sell it. I don't know. 1:12:24.040 --> 1:12:27.759 Yeah, But the NYPD said that they could not find 1:12:28.080 --> 1:12:31.880 his name on any complaints regarding stolen credit cards, so 1:12:31.920 --> 1:12:34.680 he was saying that he was robbed, but he didn't 1:12:35.120 --> 1:12:38.640 file any complaints but also if he was drugged and 1:12:38.800 --> 1:12:40.960 was woken up naked, then like where would he have 1:12:41.000 --> 1:12:44.559 had time to file the complaint. So I don't really 1:12:44.840 --> 1:12:49.400 know if that's even important. So basically, Pamela's lawsuit says 1:12:49.400 --> 1:12:51.040 that she answered the door of her room at the 1:12:51.080 --> 1:12:54.760 Hudson Hotel near Columbus Circle, and I have stayed there 1:12:54.920 --> 1:12:55.759 in twenty twelve. 1:12:55.880 --> 1:12:58.680 Ahway is a nice It is gorgeous. 1:12:58.760 --> 1:13:02.400 I mean it was. I got Comedy Central's like Comics 1:13:02.400 --> 1:13:04.880 to watch. It was my first time getting flown out 1:13:04.920 --> 1:13:07.479 and put out for something like that. And the rooms 1:13:07.479 --> 1:13:11.360 are tiny, It's New York. But yeah, very sexy, very comfortable. 1:13:11.360 --> 1:13:14.559 I was so happy to be there. But what was 1:13:15.360 --> 1:13:19.479 amazing is like the lobby's all plants. There's just like 1:13:19.560 --> 1:13:22.640 plant walls everywhere before plant walls were a thing, so 1:13:23.280 --> 1:13:23.719 it was. 1:13:23.760 --> 1:13:24.800 It was a gorgeous hotel. 1:13:24.800 --> 1:13:27.799 I remember having like great drinks, like I remember feeling 1:13:27.920 --> 1:13:29.240 very very special to be there. 1:13:29.600 --> 1:13:32.120 Maybe we should go, but Hudson Hotel, it is nice, 1:13:32.200 --> 1:13:33.280 it's really interesting. 1:13:33.439 --> 1:13:37.560 Okay, we're just never like none of my social engagements 1:13:37.640 --> 1:13:40.200 unless it's Broadway or ever like Uptown, you know what 1:13:40.240 --> 1:13:40.519 I mean. 1:13:40.560 --> 1:13:42.639 I know I've spent a lot of time around Columbus 1:13:42.640 --> 1:13:44.360 Circle because I lived on the Upper West and I 1:13:44.400 --> 1:13:47.679 don't remember that hotel, but like I probably just I know, yeah, 1:13:47.720 --> 1:13:48.960 like I was staying in hotels. 1:13:48.960 --> 1:13:51.560 You know, you should google the lobby unless they've remodeled. 1:13:51.560 --> 1:13:54.160 It was like fucking gorgeous. But I was also younger, 1:13:54.200 --> 1:13:56.200 like I might have higher standards. Now I might be 1:13:56.240 --> 1:13:58.040 not like, what is this trash? 1:13:58.240 --> 1:14:01.160 But plants are? I'm not twenty twelve. 1:14:02.880 --> 1:14:06.360 So around eight am, Pamela said that she answered the 1:14:06.400 --> 1:14:10.519 door and was confronted by mister Arsberger, who was completely naked, 1:14:10.600 --> 1:14:13.280 pushed his way into her room, seized her by the throat, 1:14:13.320 --> 1:14:16.679 and d quotes violently shook her and threw her around, 1:14:16.840 --> 1:14:19.920 bashing her head into the walls and shelves of the 1:14:19.920 --> 1:14:24.559 hotel room closet. She was saved by hotel employees who 1:14:24.680 --> 1:14:27.040 entered her room and pulled him off of her. They 1:14:27.080 --> 1:14:29.120 had heard her screams while they were looking for a 1:14:29.160 --> 1:14:33.439 loose naked man, so they saw like he was not. 1:14:33.600 --> 1:14:35.160 That's why I brought it up in the episode. So 1:14:35.200 --> 1:14:38.240 this guy was like running around knocking on all these doors. 1:14:38.600 --> 1:14:40.880 Yeah, and the security footage shows that. 1:14:41.400 --> 1:14:43.160 So I don't know if they just saw the security 1:14:43.160 --> 1:14:45.160 footage and were looking for him or people were calling, 1:14:45.240 --> 1:14:47.639 but they were running around looking for this naked man, 1:14:48.080 --> 1:14:50.400 heard her scream, managed to get him off of her, 1:14:50.760 --> 1:14:52.960 and then the violinists fled to his room and was 1:14:53.080 --> 1:14:54.040 arrested by police. 1:14:54.080 --> 1:14:54.759 Shortly after. 1:14:55.680 --> 1:14:58.680 After his arrest, his passport was seized and he was 1:14:58.720 --> 1:15:01.000 released on a one hundred thousand dollar or bail. But 1:15:01.120 --> 1:15:03.679 he was stuck in the US and for the case, 1:15:03.720 --> 1:15:07.439 he would stay at friends houses, but he yeah, he 1:15:07.479 --> 1:15:09.639 missed his wife, so he was kept here for fifteen 1:15:09.680 --> 1:15:14.040 months throughout everything, so he had to stay here. But 1:15:14.280 --> 1:15:18.599 the music community was on his side and they did 1:15:18.640 --> 1:15:21.679 like GoFundMe style and raise money and let him crash 1:15:21.720 --> 1:15:23.760 at places and paid for him to state places, and 1:15:24.160 --> 1:15:27.320 the quartet made comments and like everyone was very much 1:15:27.360 --> 1:15:32.360 team Stefan. Okay, Like a lot of people were like, 1:15:32.520 --> 1:15:33.559 we've got his back. 1:15:34.040 --> 1:15:37.679 So I don't know, yeah, but a lot of. 1:15:37.800 --> 1:15:41.680 You know, it's a little frustrating because in all of 1:15:41.720 --> 1:15:44.439 the statements from the quartet and all these musicians, like 1:15:44.880 --> 1:15:47.960 no one even mentioned Pamela. And it's like, even if 1:15:47.960 --> 1:15:51.120 you don't think the Stefan guy did anything like you can. 1:15:51.479 --> 1:15:54.920 It's very Erica Jane. Yeah, it's very Erica Jane, where 1:15:54.960 --> 1:15:57.559 it's like if you feel like you're gonna be, if 1:15:57.600 --> 1:16:01.040 you have empathy for these people, then then you're admitting 1:16:01.080 --> 1:16:04.160 you're guilty. And it's like you could have not been 1:16:04.280 --> 1:16:06.920 quote unquote at fault and you were drugged or whatever, 1:16:06.960 --> 1:16:09.479 but like all these people could have at least said 1:16:09.479 --> 1:16:11.680 and we're so sorry what happened to that woman, Like 1:16:11.920 --> 1:16:12.960 I just think it's fucked up. 1:16:13.000 --> 1:16:14.000 It's very boohoo. 1:16:14.320 --> 1:16:16.600 I had to sell my violin for legal fees, and 1:16:16.640 --> 1:16:19.040 it's like, okay, but you did attack, physically attack a 1:16:19.080 --> 1:16:21.639 woman who has now scarred for life and might have 1:16:21.720 --> 1:16:25.479 like psychological and emotional trauma forever. So it's like I 1:16:25.640 --> 1:16:28.200 was very much annoyed by the whole music community that 1:16:28.320 --> 1:16:30.760 was just like, well, we have his back, he's been 1:16:30.840 --> 1:16:33.080 you know, he's the victim, and it's like, no, there 1:16:33.200 --> 1:16:37.120 was a victim, Like fuck off. So that's just very 1:16:37.200 --> 1:16:39.840 Erica Jane. And you can support him while also acknowledging 1:16:39.920 --> 1:16:42.519 and we're so sorry what happened to her. So in 1:16:42.560 --> 1:16:48.360 twenty sixteen, though prosecutors dismissed the attempted murder, strangulation, and 1:16:48.400 --> 1:16:53.680 burglary charges against Oursburger. He did cop to the misdemeanor 1:16:53.720 --> 1:16:58.000 assault and was sentenced to an unconditional discharge, served no 1:16:58.200 --> 1:17:00.720 jail time and no fine, and that was part of 1:17:00.720 --> 1:17:04.400 a plea deal. The official charge was reckless assault in 1:17:04.439 --> 1:17:08.800 the third degree without a factual admission. I don't really 1:17:08.800 --> 1:17:11.599 know what that means, but I added it. He also 1:17:11.680 --> 1:17:14.040 waved his right to appeal as part of the plea, 1:17:14.600 --> 1:17:17.760 and his lawyers insist that he was too high for 1:17:17.880 --> 1:17:22.240 the necessary intent needed for the top charges. But like 1:17:22.280 --> 1:17:26.679 I said, there was no evidence of any drugging at all, 1:17:27.040 --> 1:17:30.760 no evidence, there was nothing found in his system, no 1:17:30.880 --> 1:17:35.439 drugs found and at all, and the cops, like I mentioned, 1:17:35.479 --> 1:17:38.639 said that he did not seem drugged. 1:17:38.760 --> 1:17:39.879 I mean, there's no signs. 1:17:40.040 --> 1:17:42.840 I'm literally just really quickly googling like drugs that make 1:17:42.880 --> 1:17:47.280 you violent, and like obviously there are, but it's like cocaine, 1:17:47.479 --> 1:17:52.200 meth amphetamine, bath salts, synthetic marijuana, Like it's just not 1:17:52.240 --> 1:17:54.560 really the kind of thing that someone who's trying to 1:17:54.640 --> 1:17:57.160 rob you or fuck with you is going to sprinkle 1:17:57.160 --> 1:17:58.679 into your drink. Like you're not gonna be like here's 1:17:58.680 --> 1:18:00.519 a little cocaine, you know what I mean, and like. 1:18:01.000 --> 1:18:03.200 Yeah, can you wake up from ketamine wild? 1:18:03.439 --> 1:18:03.640 Or no? 1:18:03.960 --> 1:18:05.519 I don't know. I guess I don't know. 1:18:06.040 --> 1:18:07.559 I mean, I know people that go into a K 1:18:07.680 --> 1:18:10.680 hole therapeutically, so I don't really think about it, like 1:18:10.720 --> 1:18:12.960 as something that makes you. It's not on this list 1:18:13.000 --> 1:18:14.360 of this random website I'm on. 1:18:14.439 --> 1:18:14.800 I don't know. 1:18:14.880 --> 1:18:19.000 But also nothing was found, so the you know, the prosecutions, 1:18:19.040 --> 1:18:21.599 like he didn't have the necessary wherewithal to like commit 1:18:21.640 --> 1:18:25.679 this crime, but like there is no evidence. But whatever, 1:18:26.360 --> 1:18:28.360 he did get his passport back. He was able to 1:18:28.400 --> 1:18:31.880 go home after fifteen months. Newsday New York said the 1:18:31.960 --> 1:18:36.080 victim was satisfied with the plea and sentence. And but 1:18:36.160 --> 1:18:41.400 that's as prosecutors told the judge. Yeah, and I did 1:18:41.439 --> 1:18:44.240 not find any information about the civil sup but hopefully 1:18:44.400 --> 1:18:46.320 she got I hope she got the money. 1:18:46.520 --> 1:18:47.680 Yeah. 1:18:47.720 --> 1:18:51.040 And then The New York Post reported that Neptune also 1:18:51.120 --> 1:18:54.080 took a plea deal for robbing Oursburger. 1:18:53.680 --> 1:18:56.679 And all of this for an iPad, Like you drugged 1:18:56.720 --> 1:18:58.160 someone and stole their iPad, but. 1:18:58.160 --> 1:19:01.040 We don't know, there's no sign. That's what I like, 1:19:01.720 --> 1:19:04.360 because they also found him the next morning. They probably 1:19:04.439 --> 1:19:07.280 if he was saying he was drugged, they probably tested him. Like, 1:19:07.760 --> 1:19:10.040 but if she was okay with this plea and that, 1:19:10.200 --> 1:19:13.479 like she did really feel that he was crazed, and 1:19:13.520 --> 1:19:16.679 it wasn't a personal attack, like it was out of character, 1:19:16.800 --> 1:19:20.439 There wasn't direct motive. What if someone what if a 1:19:20.439 --> 1:19:22.760 big man opened the door, like and he got his 1:19:22.840 --> 1:19:25.680 ass kicked, you know, like it was she shouldn't have 1:19:25.760 --> 1:19:28.559 opened the door. Not to blame the victim, no, no, but 1:19:28.640 --> 1:19:30.120 like I don't open hotel. 1:19:30.479 --> 1:19:33.880 I don't even like I guess it's like in his hallucination, 1:19:34.000 --> 1:19:36.360 he might have thought, this is a person who robbed me, 1:19:36.520 --> 1:19:38.559 This is a person who is fucking with me. 1:19:38.680 --> 1:19:40.000 But like you're not worried. 1:19:40.040 --> 1:19:43.519 I wos like you're definitely on something, right, I know 1:19:43.640 --> 1:19:44.679 the drugs aren't found. 1:19:45.040 --> 1:19:46.680 I want to make I want to know what made 1:19:46.720 --> 1:19:50.240 her open the door, Like was it the most like 1:19:50.320 --> 1:19:53.040 did she just open like did she order room service? 1:19:53.280 --> 1:19:55.519 Yeah, but like it was between the way that room 1:19:55.560 --> 1:19:57.920 service is going knock knock and the way a psycho 1:19:58.080 --> 1:20:00.519 naked man trying to assault you is probably knocking on 1:20:00.560 --> 1:20:04.320 your door. Right, don't those sound different? She's from North Carolina. 1:20:04.320 --> 1:20:06.559 I mean, who knows. It's just like it's fucked up. 1:20:06.600 --> 1:20:08.000 I would never blame this person. 1:20:08.040 --> 1:20:11.240 It could happen to anybody, but I am just like 1:20:11.840 --> 1:20:14.360 teens were playing pranks and I called downstairs, going, I 1:20:14.400 --> 1:20:15.320 don't like this knocking. 1:20:15.360 --> 1:20:16.599 I'm like, maybe it's because I'm so. 1:20:16.680 --> 1:20:19.600 High, and like, yeah, because I could have maybe just 1:20:19.640 --> 1:20:21.640 opened her door to see what the noise was and 1:20:21.680 --> 1:20:23.839 he barged in. You know, like, who knows. I'm certainly 1:20:23.840 --> 1:20:28.320 not blaming her. It's just like, yeah, it's a weird case. 1:20:28.600 --> 1:20:31.439 I don't know. And is this guy a violent maniac? 1:20:31.520 --> 1:20:32.040 I don't know. 1:20:32.520 --> 1:20:35.679 The only thing that turns me off is that they're 1:20:35.720 --> 1:20:37.800 the must like the people that had his back didn't 1:20:37.800 --> 1:20:39.200 acknowledge that like someone. 1:20:39.200 --> 1:20:43.959 Was Yeah, and it's probably traumatized. I mean, like that's horrible. 1:20:44.840 --> 1:20:45.320 Oh my god. 1:20:45.360 --> 1:20:46.760 Well, thank you for telling me about that. I truly 1:20:46.840 --> 1:20:49.360 knew nothing. And that is a very clear ripped from 1:20:49.400 --> 1:20:51.400 the headline's case, very clear. 1:20:51.360 --> 1:20:51.960 Very ripped. 1:20:53.479 --> 1:21:00.519 Anyway, we have and our guest is ripped. Yeah, I 1:21:00.720 --> 1:21:02.160 didn't you beat me to that. 1:21:03.920 --> 1:21:04.720 But stay right there. 1:21:04.800 --> 1:21:10.240 We'll be right back with our awesome guests. 1:21:13.320 --> 1:21:14.000 Okay, guys. 1:21:14.120 --> 1:21:16.839 Today's guest is an actor who has had some truly 1:21:16.920 --> 1:21:20.040 diverse roles. He was a regular on the show Black Sales, 1:21:20.200 --> 1:21:22.200 He's been an Agents of Shield, and he even got 1:21:22.240 --> 1:21:26.160 to play Joan Cusack's very kinky lover on Shameless. But 1:21:26.240 --> 1:21:30.240 you know him today as the flute playing possible criminal 1:21:30.360 --> 1:21:35.880 Anton Krasnikoff. Please enjoy our hang session with the very 1:21:35.880 --> 1:21:37.040 cool Zach McGowan. 1:21:37.479 --> 1:21:38.880 With all of U sv you, I don't know if 1:21:38.880 --> 1:21:39.439 how familiar. 1:21:39.520 --> 1:21:42.360 You know, they find a dead body, something always aggressive happens, 1:21:42.400 --> 1:21:45.080 but you playing the flute is the most wild start 1:21:45.120 --> 1:21:46.000 to any. 1:21:45.680 --> 1:21:50.120 SVU see's history. It has been so requested. 1:21:50.280 --> 1:21:52.720 Everyone's like, you gotta do the flute episode and get 1:21:52.800 --> 1:21:53.479 Zach McGowan. 1:21:53.520 --> 1:21:56.000 We were like, yeah, we're working on it, and here 1:21:56.040 --> 1:21:56.479 you are. 1:21:57.040 --> 1:21:59.639 It was like the strangest thing in the world doing 1:21:59.680 --> 1:22:02.559 that flute thing. Like I had been just playing like 1:22:02.640 --> 1:22:05.559 all these like kind of badass characters and stuff, and 1:22:05.600 --> 1:22:08.280 then I like showed up and like started my flute 1:22:08.360 --> 1:22:09.360 lessons and. 1:22:09.520 --> 1:22:10.400 It was just a blast. 1:22:10.439 --> 1:22:12.519 Like I kept thinking, what is it. It's like Anchorman 1:22:12.640 --> 1:22:14.040 or something. Is it Anchorman with the fluke? 1:22:14.240 --> 1:22:18.320 Yeah, with the jazz flute? Yes, totally. So so wait, 1:22:18.360 --> 1:22:20.200 that's one of the things I was going to ask you, like. 1:22:20.360 --> 1:22:22.400 Did you know how to play the flute? Did you 1:22:22.560 --> 1:22:24.400 they make you take lessons just so you could have 1:22:24.479 --> 1:22:26.240 basic handling skills. 1:22:25.880 --> 1:22:26.800 Like what the deal? 1:22:27.040 --> 1:22:29.559 So it was kind of funny. So no, I don't 1:22:29.600 --> 1:22:30.519 know how to play. 1:22:30.280 --> 1:22:32.800 The flute, and I still don't know how to play 1:22:32.840 --> 1:22:35.160 the flute. But what they did do was uh, I 1:22:35.160 --> 1:22:39.720 mean basically, I guess the real incident was involved of 1:22:40.640 --> 1:22:45.120 a violinist like that was that was the actual you know, uh, 1:22:45.840 --> 1:22:48.760 you know, musical instrument that was you know, this guy 1:22:48.880 --> 1:22:51.400 was it was known for. And they asked me if 1:22:51.439 --> 1:22:53.720 I did that, and I said no, and we were 1:22:53.760 --> 1:22:57.200 planning on I guess, faking that, but then they came 1:22:57.280 --> 1:23:00.640 up with the flute thing and put me with Like 1:23:01.200 --> 1:23:03.240 I mean, basically, I was in a hotel in Lower 1:23:03.280 --> 1:23:07.920 Manhattan with like this jazz flute guy who was awesome, 1:23:08.040 --> 1:23:10.559 and he was just kind of running me down the 1:23:10.600 --> 1:23:16.000 basics and teaching me that piece of the thing. And 1:23:16.040 --> 1:23:17.519 so we just did that piece of it. So I 1:23:17.520 --> 1:23:20.160 don't know how to play like any other flute, you. 1:23:20.120 --> 1:23:24.800 Know, you played it, but you played Yeah. 1:23:24.360 --> 1:23:25.160 But then they had. 1:23:25.240 --> 1:23:29.160 I mean, I think they also made it nice, you know, 1:23:29.200 --> 1:23:32.080 but yeah, it was it was like it was actually funny. 1:23:32.080 --> 1:23:34.760 We shot it at this nightclub. I forget what the 1:23:34.880 --> 1:23:38.439 nightclub is, but I had like it was like Marquee 1:23:38.520 --> 1:23:40.680 or something. I think it was Marquee, Like I'd been 1:23:40.720 --> 1:23:43.920 there a hundred times in my like high school days 1:23:43.960 --> 1:23:45.439 and all that, and all of a sudden, I'm up 1:23:45.479 --> 1:23:50.520 there with these like violinists and it's super dramatic and 1:23:50.640 --> 1:23:52.599 it was fun and it was just it was like 1:23:52.960 --> 1:23:54.080 it was one of those things where I was like, 1:23:54.080 --> 1:23:56.240 all right, I just have to to try my best 1:23:56.280 --> 1:23:57.840 and I get a ton. 1:23:57.840 --> 1:24:01.040 So yeah, I was giving very big lord of the 1:24:01.120 --> 1:24:06.280 dance vibes, kind of like you know, like an instrumental 1:24:06.439 --> 1:24:07.880 rock concert almost. 1:24:07.640 --> 1:24:08.479 In a way like that. 1:24:08.760 --> 1:24:11.120 People were so psyched to see you guys, and then 1:24:11.120 --> 1:24:15.360 you're this like sexy internationally result floutest. 1:24:15.520 --> 1:24:17.240 I think it's like, am I in like a I 1:24:17.240 --> 1:24:19.639 think I'm in like a tuxedo with tails or something. 1:24:19.840 --> 1:24:22.920 Yeah, you're in like a pretty fancy outfit, and so 1:24:23.040 --> 1:24:25.519 are the women and it's really like, I don't know, 1:24:25.640 --> 1:24:28.280 it's just it's it's a wild opening for us for you, 1:24:28.360 --> 1:24:30.080 and it makes the episode very memorable. 1:24:30.080 --> 1:24:30.920 And that will say that. 1:24:30.880 --> 1:24:32.880 Props to all the women in that who are because 1:24:32.880 --> 1:24:36.880 they're actually awesome violinists like those really they're they're like 1:24:37.360 --> 1:24:41.559 you know, concert you know, whatever the term is. They're 1:24:41.600 --> 1:24:46.479 like real violinists to perform as well as actor actors 1:24:46.479 --> 1:24:49.840 as well. So they were like I was just trying to, 1:24:49.960 --> 1:24:51.040 you know, keep up with them. 1:24:51.200 --> 1:24:52.960 Yeah, yeah, does it look I was like, does it 1:24:53.000 --> 1:24:54.800 look absurd? Or is this all right? 1:24:54.880 --> 1:24:57.200 Like you know, And of course. 1:24:57.120 --> 1:25:01.479 Was the Russian accent before after you were cast for this? 1:25:02.920 --> 1:25:06.920 It was a requested I believe the the real person 1:25:07.320 --> 1:25:11.400 was like somewhere, you know, in Eastern Europe was the 1:25:11.400 --> 1:25:14.080 They were basically like, can you do an Eastern Europe 1:25:14.200 --> 1:25:17.439 or Russian accent? And I'd actually never done it in 1:25:17.479 --> 1:25:22.599 another project on TV or in film yet I've since 1:25:22.640 --> 1:25:25.680 done it quite a few times in Yeah, but it 1:25:25.760 --> 1:25:27.400 was the first time and they had to kind of 1:25:27.439 --> 1:25:28.920 like they had never heard it because I got the 1:25:28.960 --> 1:25:32.639 product on offer, so like I was just like showing 1:25:32.720 --> 1:25:35.200 up and going to unveil this guy. You know, but 1:25:35.240 --> 1:25:36.160 you're not Russian? 1:25:36.880 --> 1:25:39.800 Well my yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I'm from New York. 1:25:39.880 --> 1:25:42.920 Well, because we were stalking you on install, you know, 1:25:42.960 --> 1:25:45.520 doing some research and there were a lot of comments 1:25:45.600 --> 1:25:47.519 in Russian and with the accent. 1:25:47.560 --> 1:25:48.960 I was like, I wonder, what's up. 1:25:49.240 --> 1:25:52.200 Well, I think from other projects I've done and maybe 1:25:52.240 --> 1:25:55.120 even s FORU, I do have like a good Russian 1:25:55.200 --> 1:25:59.640 contingent of fans that I see active on you know, 1:25:59.680 --> 1:26:02.560 on the Internet and whatnot. So respect to all my 1:26:02.640 --> 1:26:05.559 Russian fans, and also have a lot of Russian friends 1:26:05.560 --> 1:26:08.479 and my like my brother speaks Russian fluently and stuff. 1:26:08.520 --> 1:26:13.080 So I have I had like a high bar for myself, 1:26:13.840 --> 1:26:15.519 so you know, because I have If you have like 1:26:15.600 --> 1:26:18.679 Russian friends, you know, if your accents crap, they're gonna 1:26:18.680 --> 1:26:20.240 just make fun of you, so you know, so you 1:26:20.240 --> 1:26:21.599 got to try your best at least. 1:26:23.240 --> 1:26:25.559 Yeah, because looking at your IMDb you've got like a 1:26:25.560 --> 1:26:29.280 couple of Anton's andres like maybe it's the long hair. 1:26:29.640 --> 1:26:31.360 You're just like, you. 1:26:31.320 --> 1:26:35.120 Know, whatever they hire me for. I enjoy acting. 1:26:35.200 --> 1:26:39.520 So yeah, sometimes I got to play another Russian. 1:26:39.240 --> 1:26:41.840 Character on Agents of Shield for a long time. 1:26:42.040 --> 1:26:45.120 Oh yeah, his name was Anton, and actually they cut 1:26:45.120 --> 1:26:46.599 my hair off to play that Russian. 1:26:46.640 --> 1:26:49.519 He had short hair, so I come off back. 1:26:49.560 --> 1:26:51.920 You know, and you prefer long hair, like you and 1:26:51.960 --> 1:26:54.559 then they make you cut it or you grew it 1:26:54.600 --> 1:26:55.320 out for no. 1:26:55.439 --> 1:26:58.559 I mean I I initially grew it out when I 1:26:58.640 --> 1:27:01.599 was just doing voiceover work and stuff and it didn't 1:27:01.640 --> 1:27:03.479 really matter. And I had a kid, and then I 1:27:03.520 --> 1:27:05.920 got cast with like a long hair roll and then 1:27:05.920 --> 1:27:09.000 people know me as having long hair. Except most of 1:27:09.040 --> 1:27:10.720 my life, my friends know me as the dude with 1:27:10.760 --> 1:27:11.479 the shaved head. 1:27:11.640 --> 1:27:15.240 So it's you know, it's it's like, it's just hair. 1:27:15.320 --> 1:27:15.720 I don't know. 1:27:16.160 --> 1:27:20.720 Yeah, no, it's it's great hair. Yeah's say it's a signature. 1:27:20.880 --> 1:27:23.960 It's a signature of yours. Now, the long hair, I'm. 1:27:23.760 --> 1:27:26.000 Going to shave it off for the you know, so 1:27:26.040 --> 1:27:27.400 that people stop using plastics. 1:27:27.439 --> 1:27:29.600 I just saw that Momoa did that, so I'm going 1:27:29.640 --> 1:27:31.680 to do it too. Oh no, I just choke it. 1:27:33.280 --> 1:27:34.519 I'm not going to do that. 1:27:35.680 --> 1:27:36.680 The new challenge. 1:27:37.200 --> 1:27:39.320 My kids. My kids have too much fun braiding it 1:27:39.400 --> 1:27:39.600 right now. 1:27:39.600 --> 1:27:42.679 I have three daughters, so they just like I should 1:27:42.680 --> 1:27:43.679 have come in full braids. 1:27:43.800 --> 1:27:44.519 I could have. 1:27:45.520 --> 1:27:45.760 Yeah. 1:27:45.800 --> 1:27:48.040 See, I have a son who will not stop pulling 1:27:48.080 --> 1:27:50.200 my hair, so I consider shaving it all the time. 1:27:50.800 --> 1:27:51.599 There you go, I have. 1:27:51.560 --> 1:27:53.439 A son too. He likes to pull my hair too. 1:27:53.520 --> 1:27:57.160 They braid more. Some knots in there too. 1:27:57.880 --> 1:28:00.920 Did you always plan on having tons of kids? Uh? 1:28:01.000 --> 1:28:02.880 Yeah, I always knew I wanted kids. 1:28:03.040 --> 1:28:05.960 I come from three, a family of three, and uh, 1:28:06.080 --> 1:28:08.479 you know, if my kids had my parents had stopped 1:28:08.479 --> 1:28:10.559 it one or two, I wouldn't be around. 1:28:10.600 --> 1:28:14.960 So I and I think that, like it's like it's 1:28:14.960 --> 1:28:15.519 good to give. 1:28:15.640 --> 1:28:17.920 It's kind of like it's easier to have two dogs 1:28:17.920 --> 1:28:20.160 than one dog because if if you have one dog, 1:28:20.240 --> 1:28:21.120 then you're the other. 1:28:21.040 --> 1:28:23.360 Dog, you know, like the place of dog. 1:28:23.680 --> 1:28:26.360 So it's that like I think, I think I really 1:28:26.400 --> 1:28:29.799 benefit from that. Like my kids just like all play together, 1:28:29.880 --> 1:28:31.679 and I can just watch with a cold beer. 1:28:32.120 --> 1:28:35.080 Don't don't don't pull it, don't pull his hair. You know. 1:28:36.400 --> 1:28:38.599 Wow, that's really nice because I have two and it's 1:28:38.640 --> 1:28:41.280 like breaking me. So I'm kind of like, wow, how 1:28:41.280 --> 1:28:43.240 do you do four? But then people tell me that 1:28:43.479 --> 1:28:45.960 one to two is a huge difference, But then three four, 1:28:46.080 --> 1:28:48.320 it's like, are we have the same agent? Me and 1:28:48.360 --> 1:28:50.720 Lisa and she goes The third's like a house cat, like. 1:28:50.920 --> 1:28:54.200 You don't even know, like once you live in the madness. 1:28:54.479 --> 1:28:56.800 You live in the madness, so yeah, yeah, then you 1:28:56.840 --> 1:28:57.519 know it's just. 1:28:57.439 --> 1:28:59.240 One what's one more? Two more? 1:28:59.400 --> 1:29:00.000 Yeah? 1:29:00.240 --> 1:29:02.840 Yeah, I'm from six kids, so I know the madness too. 1:29:02.880 --> 1:29:05.920 Here you go, but you're serious, that's serious. 1:29:06.000 --> 1:29:08.840 Six is it's it's mentally ill a little bit. But 1:29:09.080 --> 1:29:11.840 I saw TBT. You've been with your wife for so long? 1:29:12.160 --> 1:29:15.800 Yeah, since like I mean the millennium, you know, like 1:29:15.880 --> 1:29:17.400 since that happened, you know. 1:29:17.880 --> 1:29:18.479 Like half book. 1:29:18.600 --> 1:29:21.840 Actually we realized we were just now over half our 1:29:21.880 --> 1:29:26.320 life with each other, just you know, like where yeah, yeah, 1:29:26.439 --> 1:29:29.479 because we were We got together when we were when 1:29:29.479 --> 1:29:30.919 I was twenty and she was nineteen. 1:29:31.040 --> 1:29:32.799 So oh my gosh, I'm. 1:29:32.640 --> 1:29:34.880 Forty two and she's about to turn forty two. 1:29:35.000 --> 1:29:36.960 So we we realized we were like, wait a second, 1:29:37.240 --> 1:29:39.559 we've been together longer than yeah, then. 1:29:39.439 --> 1:29:43.240 We haven't been together. Yeah, wow, incredible, long time, long time. 1:29:43.720 --> 1:29:44.559 What's the secret? 1:29:46.240 --> 1:29:46.519 I have? 1:29:46.600 --> 1:29:50.519 No I offer, no, you know, I'm not an expert. 1:29:50.600 --> 1:29:53.640 I just somehow, like you know, fell into this and 1:29:53.720 --> 1:29:55.439 it's worked, and you know, I don't know. 1:29:55.600 --> 1:29:56.599 That's yeah. 1:29:58.160 --> 1:30:00.759 I try my best. I also make dinner lot. That's 1:30:00.800 --> 1:30:01.200 a big one. 1:30:01.240 --> 1:30:01.439 I think. 1:30:01.479 --> 1:30:03.599 Oh I love that. Yeah, I love. 1:30:03.640 --> 1:30:07.320 That's help special dish? What's your go to great dish? 1:30:07.400 --> 1:30:11.480 I mean I eat a lot of just meat and vegetables, 1:30:11.560 --> 1:30:16.760 so just like different different preparations of different meats and 1:30:17.000 --> 1:30:20.880 fishes and different vegetables. I also have a vegetable garden, 1:30:20.960 --> 1:30:23.200 so that also maybe maybe she keeps me around for. 1:30:23.160 --> 1:30:23.680 That one too. 1:30:24.040 --> 1:30:25.599 Yeah a farmer really. 1:30:26.040 --> 1:30:26.280 Yeah. 1:30:26.960 --> 1:30:30.280 Actually we moved out into we live like on six 1:30:30.320 --> 1:30:32.439 acres now, like outside of a city, and it's it's 1:30:32.479 --> 1:30:33.240 really nice, like. 1:30:33.200 --> 1:30:35.160 We are you outside of New York City or outside 1:30:35.160 --> 1:30:35.639 of Los. 1:30:35.439 --> 1:30:38.519 Angeles, outside of LA kind of between between LA and 1:30:38.560 --> 1:30:39.799 San Diego and the mountains. 1:30:40.320 --> 1:30:42.439 Oh nice, nice, really nice. 1:30:42.520 --> 1:30:43.840 Yeah, we we loved it. 1:30:43.840 --> 1:30:45.439 We're here like a year and a half now and 1:30:45.439 --> 1:30:49.320 we're like, oh, this is how maybe you're supposed to live. 1:30:49.400 --> 1:30:49.920 Like I grew up. 1:30:50.439 --> 1:30:53.080 I grew up very tight, you know, two better apartment 1:30:53.120 --> 1:30:55.320 in New York and that was awesome too, but like 1:30:56.160 --> 1:30:57.720 I don't know, like my kids are out here like 1:30:57.800 --> 1:31:00.000 catching frogs and it's pretty cool. 1:31:00.120 --> 1:31:01.479 Yeah, totally different. 1:31:02.400 --> 1:31:04.960 They're like I just picked an apple and I'm like, great, 1:31:05.080 --> 1:31:05.719 eat the apple. 1:31:06.240 --> 1:31:08.880 Wow. So so you were born and raised in New 1:31:08.960 --> 1:31:10.679 York City. I think I saw you went to Fields, 1:31:10.720 --> 1:31:11.320 did Yes? 1:31:11.439 --> 1:31:12.200 Yes? Cool? 1:31:12.840 --> 1:31:15.800 And and so was it cool to get on Law 1:31:15.840 --> 1:31:18.040 and Order because it's such a New Yorker show, Like 1:31:18.120 --> 1:31:20.320 it's such a New York you know, institution. 1:31:20.720 --> 1:31:23.120 So it's so funny because right, it's like the joke 1:31:23.240 --> 1:31:25.880 is every actor's like auditioned a hundred times for Law 1:31:25.920 --> 1:31:28.840 and Order, and especially like a New York actor like myself. 1:31:28.840 --> 1:31:31.280 I'm from New York, but like when I was acting 1:31:31.320 --> 1:31:33.960 in New York, I was like so low on the 1:31:33.960 --> 1:31:37.080 totem pole there that like I wasn't getting any any 1:31:37.120 --> 1:31:41.360 auditions for you know, Law and Order and whatnot. So 1:31:41.920 --> 1:31:45.479 I actually never auditioned for anything Law and Order and 1:31:45.520 --> 1:31:49.080 the only time it ever was in my life is 1:31:49.400 --> 1:31:51.559 this other than the fact that I love watching it, 1:31:51.640 --> 1:31:55.280 you know, I mean, yeah, it's cool, and I you know, 1:31:56.160 --> 1:31:58.759 like I don't know. It's like Ice was like I'm 1:31:58.760 --> 1:32:00.280 been a fan of his since I was like a 1:32:00.280 --> 1:32:01.160 little kid, and he. 1:32:01.200 --> 1:32:05.680 Was awesome and he couldn't be like more as you 1:32:05.720 --> 1:32:07.160 hope he would be, you know what I mean. 1:32:07.560 --> 1:32:11.160 Yes, he's just so awesome and he's also like my 1:32:11.280 --> 1:32:13.840 new favorite person to follow on Twitter. He's just like 1:32:13.920 --> 1:32:19.640 his his like truth, yes, exactly, exactly, exactly. 1:32:20.160 --> 1:32:23.080 Yeah, Coach Ice is on there dropping knowledge bombs like 1:32:23.160 --> 1:32:23.720 every day. 1:32:25.400 --> 1:32:29.720 Any particular story or like fact that he dropped on 1:32:29.760 --> 1:32:32.120 set that you remember, any fun we heard. 1:32:32.160 --> 1:32:34.800 He talks a lot about signing your own checks. He 1:32:34.840 --> 1:32:36.560 told some people that, Yeah. 1:32:36.400 --> 1:32:40.120 He's he's very entrepreneurial and and very like, you know, 1:32:40.200 --> 1:32:43.360 hustle hustle, and I love that. He was also like, 1:32:43.600 --> 1:32:45.519 I was lucky he was a big Black Sales fan 1:32:45.600 --> 1:32:47.519 and that was the show I had just finished, right, 1:32:48.400 --> 1:32:51.240 so like I could kind of do no wrong, you know, 1:32:51.280 --> 1:32:53.160 because he you know, it's like when you when you 1:32:53.200 --> 1:32:57.000 come on a show, like you're either like you know, 1:32:57.160 --> 1:32:59.880 just some guy who just you know, they either you know, 1:33:00.160 --> 1:33:01.639 just like oh this is ay, or. 1:33:01.720 --> 1:33:03.360 If you're lucky, they might know you from something. 1:33:03.400 --> 1:33:06.080 And I've had the lucky experience of guesting a lot 1:33:06.120 --> 1:33:08.639 on shows where someone likes something I've done in the past, 1:33:08.680 --> 1:33:11.280 and it's just like you're like immediately in the club, 1:33:11.320 --> 1:33:12.920 you don't have to like, as long as you know 1:33:12.920 --> 1:33:14.040 your lines, you're gonna be fine. 1:33:14.240 --> 1:33:16.760 You know. Yeah, it's one of those you know, but 1:33:16.840 --> 1:33:17.439 he was super cool. 1:33:17.520 --> 1:33:20.240 Yeah, he dropped a lot of I mean one of 1:33:20.400 --> 1:33:22.519 one of it, like just his his approach to acting 1:33:22.600 --> 1:33:24.840 is pretty cool too, Like he's like, I'm not acting 1:33:25.040 --> 1:33:26.840 and he's just like making it. You know, He's like 1:33:26.880 --> 1:33:29.080 making it work at the moment, which actually I really like. 1:33:29.160 --> 1:33:31.920 I've you know, like it's it's weird to say, but 1:33:32.360 --> 1:33:34.759 he was kind of similar to working with Joan Cusack 1:33:34.840 --> 1:33:37.479 in that way, because she like makes it work in 1:33:37.520 --> 1:33:39.760 her own way, like you know what I mean, in 1:33:39.800 --> 1:33:42.200 a different way than like some actors do, like where 1:33:42.200 --> 1:33:45.320 they'll be very some actors are very like script script, 1:33:45.880 --> 1:33:47.880 you know, they're like on this script and nothing else, 1:33:47.920 --> 1:33:49.920 and some are like, we have to figure out how 1:33:49.960 --> 1:33:50.840 to make this work. 1:33:51.320 --> 1:33:53.559 And they're both like that, which is cool. I like that. 1:33:53.640 --> 1:33:57.200 Oh wow, Well do you know Joan is an s Vulm. 1:33:57.760 --> 1:34:00.800 I'm sure she's like, you know, what has Joan done? 1:34:00.960 --> 1:34:01.120 You know. 1:34:01.200 --> 1:34:04.000 It's like, well, I'm a big shameless person, so I'm 1:34:04.000 --> 1:34:07.439 glad that you brought up Joan before I did. But 1:34:09.280 --> 1:34:12.080 I loved your guys' relationship on that show. 1:34:12.400 --> 1:34:17.240 So wacky, so dirty, Yes, and so many. 1:34:17.160 --> 1:34:21.200 Alums Jeremy Allen White, Ethan Cameron Man, like Steve Howie. 1:34:21.280 --> 1:34:23.120 They've all done SVU. So I don't know if you've 1:34:23.160 --> 1:34:24.600 ever chatted with them about it or. 1:34:24.600 --> 1:34:27.760 It's come up or you've seen them and just I 1:34:27.800 --> 1:34:30.720 loved the twisted Joan Cusack storyline. 1:34:30.840 --> 1:34:31.559 It was so good. 1:34:31.760 --> 1:34:34.240 Yeah, I mean that was that was so cool obviously, 1:34:34.280 --> 1:34:36.000 I mean I came on as a guest star and 1:34:36.040 --> 1:34:37.920 then that just grew into what it was. 1:34:38.080 --> 1:34:40.040 And you know, that's always. 1:34:40.240 --> 1:34:42.800 You know, it's like your hope every time you are 1:34:42.840 --> 1:34:44.920 in a guest star, except when you're in SVU and 1:34:44.920 --> 1:34:46.200 you're like, oh, I go to the jail at the 1:34:46.240 --> 1:34:49.280 end of this one. Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, And 1:34:49.400 --> 1:34:51.760 I'm you know, I actually don't really like this guy 1:34:51.800 --> 1:34:54.559 all that much. I should go to jail probably, even 1:34:54.600 --> 1:34:56.120 though like he played the flute nicely. 1:34:56.200 --> 1:35:00.599 But yeah, I think most people and s or happy 1:35:00.600 --> 1:35:02.439 to kind of like say goodbye after a couple of 1:35:02.439 --> 1:35:03.479 weeks to their character. 1:35:03.920 --> 1:35:04.200 Yeah. 1:35:04.479 --> 1:35:07.439 Absolutely, although I mean, you know, listen, if you know, 1:35:07.479 --> 1:35:09.800 if they're out there listening, you cut this hair. Yeah. 1:35:10.040 --> 1:35:11.599 I am from New York. There's a lot of cops 1:35:11.600 --> 1:35:12.160 in my family. 1:35:12.160 --> 1:35:14.599 It's all I'm saying, you know, Oh, they bring people 1:35:14.640 --> 1:35:17.120 back all the time, and they won't even care about 1:35:17.120 --> 1:35:19.280 cutting your hair. They'll just bring you back looking exactly 1:35:19.320 --> 1:35:20.799 the same and call you something different. 1:35:20.880 --> 1:35:22.120 They do that all the time. 1:35:22.280 --> 1:35:23.360 That's what I've heard. 1:35:23.400 --> 1:35:24.920 I've heard that what would be what would be a 1:35:25.000 --> 1:35:26.800 dream role if you came back to sv what would 1:35:26.840 --> 1:35:28.000 you like to be? Would you just to be like 1:35:28.000 --> 1:35:30.240 a psycho killer or like a no? 1:35:30.360 --> 1:35:33.479 Honestly, like I I've always wanted to be a detective. 1:35:33.520 --> 1:35:35.320 I'm always playing one. I've never gotten to play one 1:35:35.320 --> 1:35:35.639 on TV. 1:35:35.760 --> 1:35:39.000 That would be something that I really love to try 1:35:39.040 --> 1:35:42.400 to to do in my life. I've gotten to do 1:35:42.439 --> 1:35:44.320 it in movies like where I've played kind of like 1:35:44.479 --> 1:35:47.840 investigative type roles which are really fun and you know, 1:35:48.040 --> 1:35:49.559 be fun to do on a TV show one day. 1:35:49.840 --> 1:35:52.720 Although I do play a good criminal of a week 1:35:52.760 --> 1:35:53.360 two so. 1:35:53.280 --> 1:35:54.040 I do that well. 1:35:54.040 --> 1:35:56.640 And Lindsey you're a co star, the one in the 1:35:56.960 --> 1:35:59.360 bob Wigs. She's been a guest on the pod. Do 1:35:59.360 --> 1:36:01.120 you guys have we did? 1:36:01.320 --> 1:36:04.680 I had? You know, I had a blast. I mean 1:36:04.720 --> 1:36:05.800 it was it was. 1:36:08.439 --> 1:36:10.519 You're shooting SVU in New York And also I mean 1:36:10.600 --> 1:36:13.559 it's crazy, it's like they shoot in the Chelsea Piers 1:36:13.600 --> 1:36:16.280 studio there where, Like I used to play ice hockey 1:36:16.400 --> 1:36:19.640 in the Inky Ye and like the Skyrink, but I 1:36:19.680 --> 1:36:22.200 played in Chelsea Piers when it was skyrink there. But 1:36:22.320 --> 1:36:25.160 also like when it was skyrink on the thirty second 1:36:25.240 --> 1:36:28.920 floor of a building like twenty blocks away from there, 1:36:29.000 --> 1:36:30.800 and it's like all of a sudden, You're like showing 1:36:30.880 --> 1:36:34.360 up to work at that studio and Skyrink's right there, 1:36:34.640 --> 1:36:36.479 and I'm like connecting it all to New York and 1:36:36.520 --> 1:36:37.320 they have me staying. 1:36:37.720 --> 1:36:40.000 You know. It's like I have families still in New 1:36:40.040 --> 1:36:41.240 York and went not but a lot of them live 1:36:41.280 --> 1:36:41.960 in Long Island. 1:36:42.000 --> 1:36:44.759 And like when I I feel like I when I 1:36:44.800 --> 1:36:46.280 go to New York the most is when I'm like 1:36:46.320 --> 1:36:48.000 working on a New York TV show and then I'm 1:36:48.000 --> 1:36:50.479 like back living in the city and you know, yeah 1:36:50.840 --> 1:36:52.720 getting a bacon, egg and cheese on the corner, and 1:36:53.000 --> 1:36:53.280 you know. 1:36:54.080 --> 1:36:56.320 Have the kids come back? Have you brought them to 1:36:56.360 --> 1:36:57.400 New York? Yeah? 1:36:58.000 --> 1:36:59.800 Yeah, they they've They've seen it all. 1:36:59.800 --> 1:37:04.200 They they love New York pizza and uh, you know, 1:37:04.280 --> 1:37:06.880 and Grace for Paia hot Dogs which is still there. 1:37:06.960 --> 1:37:08.439 Grace for hot Dogs are still there. 1:37:08.520 --> 1:37:08.920 Yeah. 1:37:09.000 --> 1:37:13.040 I'm from like Chicago Land area and hot dogs are 1:37:13.160 --> 1:37:13.599 just better. 1:37:13.600 --> 1:37:16.120 There we got, here we go. 1:37:16.439 --> 1:37:17.200 I agree. 1:37:17.360 --> 1:37:20.160 I agree that a vann and beef hot dogs, all 1:37:20.240 --> 1:37:24.120 this stuff can't be beaten. But there is the simplicity 1:37:24.160 --> 1:37:26.719 of this, like the dirty water dog in New York, 1:37:28.240 --> 1:37:30.679 just a quick, quick, little snack. 1:37:31.200 --> 1:37:34.479 So now this segues into a question I have for you, 1:37:34.520 --> 1:37:37.960 because you know you're very physically fit, you have four kids. 1:37:38.320 --> 1:37:40.599 What's going on? What's the what's the regimen here? 1:37:40.600 --> 1:37:42.960 You're not eating dirty hot dogs every day, dirty water 1:37:43.000 --> 1:37:44.120 hot dogs every day. 1:37:44.000 --> 1:37:44.680 Believe it or not. 1:37:44.760 --> 1:37:48.360 I do eat a lot of uh stuff that you 1:37:48.360 --> 1:37:51.519 wouldn't kind of think. I I just always kind of 1:37:51.560 --> 1:37:57.160 maintained a certain like you know, fitness line with which 1:37:57.280 --> 1:38:00.559 I kind of just operate and I do a lot 1:38:00.600 --> 1:38:03.960 of like inner minute fasting is something that I've been 1:38:03.960 --> 1:38:06.439 doing now. I've been doing that now for like twenty 1:38:06.439 --> 1:38:09.320 five years. Though, Like I developed that, like I developed 1:38:09.360 --> 1:38:13.120 that on my own, just knowing that like if I 1:38:13.160 --> 1:38:16.240 went longer periods and then ate what I wanted, I 1:38:16.280 --> 1:38:19.559 could satiate what it is, you know, I could satiate 1:38:19.600 --> 1:38:24.080 whatever craving I was having while still you know, going 1:38:24.120 --> 1:38:27.439 that distance and knowing that I wasn't going to you know, 1:38:27.720 --> 1:38:31.000 put more in than I was taking out, which is 1:38:31.320 --> 1:38:34.000 kind of like this simple way I've thought of money, 1:38:34.120 --> 1:38:36.439 my whole life and just everything. 1:38:36.479 --> 1:38:38.799 I kind of like, I I think things. 1:38:38.600 --> 1:38:40.800 Are a lot simpler, and that like we are just 1:38:40.840 --> 1:38:44.600 like overthink the entire world like and that we're just 1:38:44.640 --> 1:38:46.880 like our worst enemies, and so I just try to 1:38:46.920 --> 1:38:49.439 keep it simple. I'm like, all right, well, if I 1:38:49.479 --> 1:38:52.719 don't eat until after five o'clock today and I'm pretty 1:38:52.720 --> 1:38:58.560 physically active that day, and you know, I also work out, definitely, 1:38:58.600 --> 1:39:00.439 I'm going to be in a good play and then 1:39:00.479 --> 1:39:02.719 I'll just eat whatever I want because I'll be hungry, 1:39:03.479 --> 1:39:07.160 and then just drink a lot of water and also 1:39:07.680 --> 1:39:08.439 lots of light beer. 1:39:08.520 --> 1:39:09.280 Also, I do. 1:39:13.160 --> 1:39:15.160 Keeping it light. I'm a light beer fan. I'm a 1:39:15.160 --> 1:39:15.880 bud light girl. 1:39:15.920 --> 1:39:18.040 But are you like michelob Ultra, do you go as 1:39:18.080 --> 1:39:19.400 low as you can go with those. 1:39:19.240 --> 1:39:19.960 Cows or what? 1:39:20.280 --> 1:39:21.640 I just know not at all. 1:39:21.680 --> 1:39:24.840 I just like I like watery light beer, like I like, 1:39:25.280 --> 1:39:29.160 you know, like cors light, bud light, yes, Millery life 1:39:29.880 --> 1:39:30.160 to me. 1:39:30.240 --> 1:39:32.519 Is like what beer tastes like. I'm like, that is 1:39:32.600 --> 1:39:35.000 beer light, Watery beer is beer and people are like, no, 1:39:35.080 --> 1:39:37.120 I like IPA. I'm like, that's to me a different 1:39:37.120 --> 1:39:40.000 beverage so heavy, it's too heavy, It's got a million 1:39:40.040 --> 1:39:42.479 different I feel like I'm eating leaves and for like 1:39:42.479 --> 1:39:46.519 like moss, like, I just want something that tastes like beer. 1:39:46.560 --> 1:39:48.519 And I get so made fun of because you know, 1:39:48.600 --> 1:39:51.000 like the micro brew movement is like huge, and everybody 1:39:51.040 --> 1:39:53.120 has all these fancy beers, and I'm like Bud Light, 1:39:53.200 --> 1:39:56.040 Corse Light, Miller Light, like High Life, any of that 1:39:56.120 --> 1:39:57.200 stuff any day for me. 1:39:57.720 --> 1:40:00.519 I literally have a refrigerator just full of different kinds 1:40:00.560 --> 1:40:03.120 of light beer, and I have like a whole selection. 1:40:03.280 --> 1:40:06.080 I have like Mexican light beer, right, and you like, 1:40:06.160 --> 1:40:09.400 I have like American light beer, and I've got, you know, 1:40:09.520 --> 1:40:11.160 one of the best light beers by the ways, the 1:40:11.240 --> 1:40:12.519 Japanese light beers. 1:40:12.560 --> 1:40:15.840 Oh yeah, those are those on a whole nother level. 1:40:16.000 --> 1:40:18.639 So good with sushi too, Like just a nice light 1:40:18.680 --> 1:40:19.479 beer with sushi. 1:40:19.720 --> 1:40:22.519 Oh yeah. I mean to me, I think like I 1:40:22.560 --> 1:40:23.720 don't think you know. 1:40:23.760 --> 1:40:26.040 I mean, I know alcohol is bad for you, and 1:40:26.080 --> 1:40:27.599 if you drink too much of it, it's. 1:40:27.520 --> 1:40:30.280 Tough to you. But I've never found it to be 1:40:30.320 --> 1:40:31.320 a problem. And I don't know. 1:40:31.360 --> 1:40:34.200 I'm forty two. I stay in pretty good shape. I 1:40:34.280 --> 1:40:36.680 run a lot, I do pull ups a lot. I 1:40:36.720 --> 1:40:39.880 do you know, I'm always just I just know, like 1:40:39.960 --> 1:40:41.840 I show up on at work all the time and 1:40:41.840 --> 1:40:44.840 they're like, hey, Sue, you're not wearing any clothing for this, 1:40:44.960 --> 1:40:48.080 and I'm like, okay, you know. I mean that's just 1:40:48.160 --> 1:40:50.880 kind of part of the giga being an actor. I 1:40:50.880 --> 1:40:53.040 mean even on s for You, they were like, you're 1:40:53.040 --> 1:40:55.800 going to answer the door shirtless, like you just woke 1:40:55.880 --> 1:40:58.280 up and they're at the door, and I was like. 1:40:59.080 --> 1:40:59.559 All right. 1:41:01.240 --> 1:41:03.240 One of my favorite stories. 1:41:03.240 --> 1:41:06.960 So our friend Langston had a scene in the show 1:41:07.000 --> 1:41:10.320 Insecure where his like he's his butt's out and he's 1:41:10.320 --> 1:41:13.679 pretty naked and he worked out hard and then someone 1:41:13.720 --> 1:41:15.479 came up to him and goes, man, thank you for 1:41:15.560 --> 1:41:17.360 representing a regular body on TV. 1:41:19.960 --> 1:41:23.719 He's like, it worked out so hard. Oh my gosh. 1:41:23.840 --> 1:41:25.519 I do love that scene where you come to the 1:41:25.560 --> 1:41:27.400 door and you're like, did you guys find my flute? 1:41:27.479 --> 1:41:29.519 And like you have why they're there? 1:41:30.000 --> 1:41:33.479 I know, I just played that like because what I 1:41:33.520 --> 1:41:34.960 did because they we didn't. You know. 1:41:35.000 --> 1:41:36.479 When I'd ask, I'd be like, so did he do 1:41:36.520 --> 1:41:37.879 this or he didn't do this, and they'd. 1:41:37.640 --> 1:41:40.840 Be like oh, and I'd be like, well, I was 1:41:40.880 --> 1:41:43.040 just like I'm just gonna play it like if he did, 1:41:43.240 --> 1:41:45.599 he has no recollection of it, right, you know, like 1:41:45.640 --> 1:41:47.760 he's got maybe some sort of drug issue and he 1:41:47.840 --> 1:41:51.479 blacks out and he takes who knows what, percocetes or 1:41:51.520 --> 1:41:53.800 something and he's blacked out and he ran down the 1:41:53.840 --> 1:41:54.679 hallway who knows. 1:41:54.880 --> 1:41:57.040 So I played it like that. So he was just like, 1:41:57.400 --> 1:41:58.559 you don't my flute. 1:41:58.600 --> 1:42:01.600 You know, I totally forgot about all that footage of 1:42:01.640 --> 1:42:03.040 you running in the hallway naked. 1:42:03.080 --> 1:42:05.040 They must have made you shoot that separate. Yeah. 1:42:05.360 --> 1:42:07.799 I was just running around a hallway of a hotel 1:42:07.960 --> 1:42:08.839 in Manhattan. 1:42:08.960 --> 1:42:09.960 Like they didn't even have it close. 1:42:10.000 --> 1:42:13.439 There was like random people walking down the hallway. 1:42:13.479 --> 1:42:15.160 Really, Oh my god. 1:42:15.560 --> 1:42:17.160 That's like one of those moments where you're like, this 1:42:17.240 --> 1:42:20.160 is my career, this is how I'm supporting my family. 1:42:20.600 --> 1:42:20.800 You know. 1:42:20.920 --> 1:42:23.360 I have a lot of those moments, you know, just 1:42:23.640 --> 1:42:26.040 you know, you're just like you're standing somewhere or like 1:42:26.120 --> 1:42:28.200 I do a lot of like physical I just did 1:42:28.320 --> 1:42:30.439 a couple of Westerns, and like recently I was just 1:42:30.479 --> 1:42:32.479 like I was on this horse and it was like 1:42:33.000 --> 1:42:36.720 lost its footing on like this very rocky slope and 1:42:36.760 --> 1:42:39.960 it was just like sliding down this slope like uncontrollably. 1:42:40.000 --> 1:42:44.040 And I was like, this is my life, this is 1:42:44.040 --> 1:42:46.679 what I do. I guess horse. 1:42:48.280 --> 1:42:52.000 Wait, any other things you remember that you think our 1:42:52.040 --> 1:42:55.559 listeners would love tidbits from your time working on this show. 1:42:55.920 --> 1:42:59.360 I regret to say, I can't remember the director's name. 1:42:59.640 --> 1:43:00.519 What was his name? 1:43:00.760 --> 1:43:02.400 Michael Pressman, Yes. 1:43:02.240 --> 1:43:03.719 Michael Pressman. So he was really awesome. 1:43:03.720 --> 1:43:07.280 He's like a just a veteran director. You know, you 1:43:07.600 --> 1:43:10.559 look at this, you know, he just did everything. One 1:43:10.600 --> 1:43:12.000 of the things I always like to do when I 1:43:12.040 --> 1:43:16.240 work with like veterans in the industry. I just asked them, like, 1:43:16.800 --> 1:43:19.400 you know, what was your biggest mistake? You know, as 1:43:19.800 --> 1:43:22.000 was I was just when I'm working with people, like 1:43:22.560 --> 1:43:24.080 you know, you work with a big actor. 1:43:23.880 --> 1:43:25.320 You just go like, what was your biggest mistake? 1:43:25.320 --> 1:43:26.639 And such a good question. 1:43:26.960 --> 1:43:29.719 Yeah, and just just to see, like, you know, where 1:43:29.800 --> 1:43:32.639 they really felt like they could have taken a different 1:43:32.680 --> 1:43:37.240 trajectory or done something even better or whatever. And Michael 1:43:37.400 --> 1:43:41.280 was like, man, back in the eighties, I got this 1:43:41.600 --> 1:43:46.200 script from my Buddy dan Ackroyd about these crazy guys 1:43:46.320 --> 1:43:50.559 running around Manhattan believed in ghosts and they were shooting 1:43:51.320 --> 1:43:55.240 electric laser beams or something at them, and I was like. 1:43:55.320 --> 1:43:56.439 What the fuck is this? 1:43:56.479 --> 1:44:00.120 And I passed on directing it. It was Ghostbusters, and 1:44:00.160 --> 1:44:01.800 I was like, you know what I mean, and like, 1:44:01.880 --> 1:44:04.880 those stories are like the things that make me like. 1:44:05.360 --> 1:44:07.639 Do everything as an actor, like because I can't. 1:44:07.720 --> 1:44:12.640 Like almost every every one of those I've heard from directors, 1:44:12.720 --> 1:44:15.439 actress producers is from something they thought they were too 1:44:15.479 --> 1:44:17.720 good to do, like they were like you know, and 1:44:17.760 --> 1:44:20.680 then it was this it turned in and and so 1:44:20.720 --> 1:44:22.479 I just like when people are like, why did you 1:44:22.520 --> 1:44:24.519 do this silly thing, I'm like, well, one, I have 1:44:24.600 --> 1:44:25.639 children and I take care of. 1:44:25.600 --> 1:44:26.000 Them this way. 1:44:26.040 --> 1:44:29.120 But two was how am I supposed to know if 1:44:29.120 --> 1:44:30.880 it was going to be awesome or not? Like yeah, 1:44:30.960 --> 1:44:32.920 I just it's like words on a page when it 1:44:32.960 --> 1:44:34.200 gets to me, like. 1:44:34.320 --> 1:44:36.479 You know, yeah, you never know what's going to like 1:44:36.520 --> 1:44:39.679 fully pop off, because yeah, Ghostbusters could have sounded insane 1:44:39.760 --> 1:44:44.000 and like too crazy back then, but wow, he actually 1:44:44.080 --> 1:44:46.080 Michael Pressman is going to do our podcast. 1:44:46.320 --> 1:44:47.599 You should I've just. 1:44:47.560 --> 1:44:49.320 Taken his best story then I'm just Nike. 1:44:49.640 --> 1:44:52.800 Sorry. We'll ask him about it. 1:44:52.840 --> 1:44:54.840 We'll ask Hi about it when we we're just trying 1:44:54.880 --> 1:44:56.280 to figure out the right episode to. 1:44:56.240 --> 1:44:56.760 Have him on for. 1:44:57.920 --> 1:45:00.240 But uh wait, can I ask you saying so. 1:45:00.240 --> 1:45:00.760 I know that this. 1:45:00.960 --> 1:45:03.120 I know Wikipedia is full of lies a lot of 1:45:03.160 --> 1:45:05.759 the time, but Wikipedia does say that you are cousins 1:45:05.800 --> 1:45:06.719 with Rose McGowan. 1:45:06.840 --> 1:45:07.880 Is that true or false? 1:45:08.600 --> 1:45:12.839 I mean I have never met Rose, and in my family, 1:45:13.080 --> 1:45:15.559 we would love to meet Rose. I'm a big fan 1:45:15.600 --> 1:45:17.200 of a lot of stuff she's done, and you know, 1:45:17.320 --> 1:45:20.000 she's always out there, so I would I'd happily meet her. 1:45:20.040 --> 1:45:21.240 But I know I'm not her cousin. 1:45:21.320 --> 1:45:23.080 I've never even met her. 1:45:23.120 --> 1:45:26.200 Funny, Wikipedia is full of garbage, but also full of 1:45:26.240 --> 1:45:27.200 a lot of facts. 1:45:27.240 --> 1:45:28.599 It's hard, it's so funny. 1:45:28.680 --> 1:45:31.479 Like a lot of times I find myself I mean, 1:45:31.479 --> 1:45:33.280 you guys didn't play but like you know, I'll just 1:45:33.280 --> 1:45:35.920 be at like someone's house and they're just like they'll 1:45:35.960 --> 1:45:38.920 just be reading like facts about me online and I'm 1:45:38.960 --> 1:45:40.000 like news to me. 1:45:40.439 --> 1:45:42.880 Yeah, And because I don't know. 1:45:42.840 --> 1:45:44.800 Like I guess some people like spend a lot of 1:45:44.840 --> 1:45:48.880 time trying to make sure everything is perfect out there. 1:45:49.400 --> 1:45:53.560 I'm just like, I don't know, there's like pictures of 1:45:53.640 --> 1:45:55.479 me naked, so am I gonna do? 1:45:55.560 --> 1:45:55.920 That's it? 1:45:56.040 --> 1:45:57.439 We will guess worse than that. 1:45:57.479 --> 1:46:00.720 Like, oh my god. I was like, Rose is in 1:46:00.800 --> 1:46:02.040 a wild. 1:46:01.880 --> 1:46:05.200 Yeah, she's in an iconic SPU episode. So that's why 1:46:05.280 --> 1:46:07.759 the only reason I was really concerned. I normally wouldn't 1:46:07.760 --> 1:46:09.120 be like, do you have any famous relative. 1:46:09.240 --> 1:46:13.320 She's like dating her brother and their grifters and they 1:46:13.360 --> 1:46:17.479 were at a sex club together, tricking like regular men 1:46:17.520 --> 1:46:19.719 into giving their life savings to Rose McGowan. 1:46:19.760 --> 1:46:20.519 It's like, pretty good. 1:46:20.800 --> 1:46:23.040 I really want to watch this episode now, this is like, yeah, 1:46:23.080 --> 1:46:23.800 this is the best one. 1:46:23.800 --> 1:46:26.519 I'm gonna like become a Wikipedia editor so that I 1:46:26.520 --> 1:46:28.320 can go take that off of your Wikipedia. 1:46:28.479 --> 1:46:29.280 I think I think. 1:46:29.640 --> 1:46:31.680 They've closed that out now, like you have you have 1:46:31.760 --> 1:46:35.200 to have already been a Wikipedia I was trying. I 1:46:35.240 --> 1:46:36.840 was like, maybe I should be able to say something 1:46:36.880 --> 1:46:39.320 about my own page, and they were like, what do 1:46:39.360 --> 1:46:40.960 you I Basically the response was. 1:46:40.920 --> 1:46:42.760 Like, what do you know about Zach McGowan. I was like, 1:46:42.800 --> 1:46:43.439 clearly nothing. 1:46:44.200 --> 1:46:47.320 Yeah, never well, if you know this could be a source, 1:46:47.439 --> 1:46:49.760 this is a source. Now you on this podcast, So 1:46:49.920 --> 1:46:52.960 somebody if you're listening to this podcast and you're Wikipedia editor, 1:46:52.960 --> 1:46:56.520 you got to get over and say is not related 1:46:56.600 --> 1:46:59.000 to Rose McGowan and then list us as a footnote? 1:46:59.120 --> 1:47:01.439 Yeah? Is that? Is that how it works? Now? 1:47:01.600 --> 1:47:04.280 Like this is a primary source now right, because this 1:47:04.439 --> 1:47:05.519 is me saying it. 1:47:05.840 --> 1:47:07.000 Yeah, there you go. 1:47:08.720 --> 1:47:12.000 Do you have anything like coming up that you want 1:47:12.040 --> 1:47:15.360 our listeners besides correcting your Wikipedia other things our listeners 1:47:15.360 --> 1:47:16.639 should be checking out about you? 1:47:17.640 --> 1:47:19.720 Well, yeah, I'm always doing you know, I'm always doing 1:47:19.760 --> 1:47:23.200 new indie movies and TV projects. I got a couple 1:47:23.560 --> 1:47:27.200 indie movie one out right now called Murder Yellowstone City. 1:47:27.320 --> 1:47:29.200 That's oh yeah, it's always fun. 1:47:29.240 --> 1:47:31.840 I always check to pug plug those because they don't 1:47:31.880 --> 1:47:32.640 get advertising. 1:47:32.720 --> 1:47:35.120 Indies don't really get advertising unless you plug them. Because 1:47:35.160 --> 1:47:36.200 that's just like how it works. 1:47:36.640 --> 1:47:39.000 And is that streaming like where people watatch streaming? 1:47:39.040 --> 1:47:41.920 You can get that on Amazon or Apple or pretty 1:47:41.960 --> 1:47:42.559 much anywhere. 1:47:43.000 --> 1:47:44.360 I got another one coming out. 1:47:44.400 --> 1:47:48.240 Uh in a little while, but that's they haven't released that, 1:47:48.280 --> 1:47:49.439 so I can't tell. 1:47:49.680 --> 1:47:50.639 Yeah, yeah, I guess. 1:47:51.120 --> 1:47:54.480 And then another one actually, another one coming out in October, 1:47:54.520 --> 1:47:55.160 and then one. 1:47:55.040 --> 1:47:58.880 In January awesome, and then some TV stuff you know, 1:47:58.960 --> 1:48:02.080 that's out there, but it's now like nowadays, it's like 1:48:02.200 --> 1:48:04.760 all in the ether and you know, like I don't 1:48:04.760 --> 1:48:06.080 even know because you can't. 1:48:06.880 --> 1:48:09.320 It's like one of my problems. 1:48:08.960 --> 1:48:11.760 With TV right now is like I I feel like 1:48:12.320 --> 1:48:15.800 I have to have like seventy five different subscriptions, and 1:48:15.840 --> 1:48:17.320 I was like, whatever happened to this? 1:48:17.520 --> 1:48:18.599 I want the cable box? 1:48:18.640 --> 1:48:21.120 Can they make the cable I'll go back, It'll go 1:48:21.240 --> 1:48:22.240 full circle again. 1:48:22.560 --> 1:48:24.800 They're gonna because now they're all buying each other. I 1:48:24.800 --> 1:48:27.240 feel like we have a couple more years to wear back. 1:48:27.320 --> 1:48:29.000 And then we'll just have a box and they'll have all. 1:48:28.960 --> 1:48:30.639 The time and you can buy again. 1:48:30.920 --> 1:48:33.519 Yeah, you can buy premium whatever. I want this one. 1:48:33.520 --> 1:48:36.040 I want HBO, I want the Yeah. 1:48:36.040 --> 1:48:38.280 Everybody keeps telling me all this stuff that's so good 1:48:38.280 --> 1:48:40.320 to watch on Apple Plus and that's like the only 1:48:40.400 --> 1:48:42.320 one I don't pay for, and I'm like, I refuse 1:48:42.400 --> 1:48:44.680 to just pay for every single one. So I'm like, 1:48:44.800 --> 1:48:46.439 we're you out on all these good shows. 1:48:46.640 --> 1:48:48.000 Yeah, it's like you have two kids, like I have 1:48:48.040 --> 1:48:48.559 four kids. 1:48:48.560 --> 1:48:50.240 Like you look at it and you're like, am I 1:48:50.360 --> 1:48:54.040 really going to spend like four hundred dollars on subscriptions 1:48:54.040 --> 1:48:56.559 to all these things this year, like this this month, 1:48:56.680 --> 1:48:58.720 or am I going to like buy my kid a 1:48:58.760 --> 1:48:59.679 new bike this month? 1:48:59.680 --> 1:49:00.000 Instead? 1:49:00.160 --> 1:49:00.360 Yeah? 1:49:00.439 --> 1:49:01.400 Yeah? 1:49:01.520 --> 1:49:04.040 Is there anything that you've done that your kids have 1:49:04.120 --> 1:49:05.040 been able to watch? 1:49:05.280 --> 1:49:05.400 There? 1:49:05.960 --> 1:49:08.720 There are a few. I did a show called thee 1:49:08.800 --> 1:49:14.120 hundred on the CW that is PG. Thirteen, and I 1:49:14.200 --> 1:49:17.080 played like a King and they got to watch that, 1:49:17.320 --> 1:49:19.960 and or at least my two older ones got to 1:49:20.000 --> 1:49:23.759 watch that. And then I did a Scorpion King movie 1:49:23.960 --> 1:49:27.880 I did and that's PG. Thirteen and and they got 1:49:27.880 --> 1:49:30.680 to watch that as well. So according to them, I 1:49:30.720 --> 1:49:35.640 always play kings. But meanwhile, that's not you know what 1:49:35.640 --> 1:49:37.559 I mean, that's just what they've seen. And I'm actually 1:49:37.640 --> 1:49:41.160 telling and I'm like terrified because like, you know, they're 1:49:41.200 --> 1:49:44.439 getting big, and I'm like, all right, So when when 1:49:44.479 --> 1:49:45.679 does she want to watch Shameless? 1:49:45.680 --> 1:49:47.600 And when when is it? When is it okay? 1:49:47.800 --> 1:49:50.840 When is it okay to let one's daughter watch Shameless? 1:49:50.920 --> 1:49:53.360 Like? Yeah, when is it okay to see her dad 1:49:53.400 --> 1:49:54.759 do a six flute solo? 1:49:54.880 --> 1:49:58.639 But then maybe assault someone? We don't know? But were 1:49:58.640 --> 1:50:01.000 they into it? They like loved I'm sure. 1:50:00.800 --> 1:50:03.439 Oh well the hundred Day, my oldest really loved it. 1:50:03.520 --> 1:50:06.320 And what's funny is they already knew like most of 1:50:06.360 --> 1:50:08.559 the cast who like come over and play with. 1:50:08.520 --> 1:50:10.200 Them, and they were like, oh my god. 1:50:10.240 --> 1:50:14.439 You know that was experience for them, and they obviously 1:50:14.520 --> 1:50:17.559 loved it. They loved the Scorpion King movie. Wait, you know, 1:50:18.000 --> 1:50:19.439 I mean it's just like it's fantasy. 1:50:19.520 --> 1:50:20.519 So they loved that. 1:50:22.040 --> 1:50:25.360 And you know, I'm sure they'll get to watch at 1:50:25.360 --> 1:50:27.200 some point they can sit down and watch. I mean, 1:50:27.200 --> 1:50:29.800 I have this like drawer with literally everything, Like I 1:50:29.840 --> 1:50:33.000 have the SVU episode like on DVD as well, like 1:50:33.040 --> 1:50:35.679 I try to get yeah even now, I'll take things 1:50:35.840 --> 1:50:38.720 and I'll burn them off onto DVD, so I have 1:50:38.840 --> 1:50:43.080 like a physical copy of it because I feel like 1:50:43.120 --> 1:50:45.960 it's like it's my work, right yeah, Like and then 1:50:46.000 --> 1:50:48.240 I have Now there's like a drawer and one day, 1:50:48.320 --> 1:50:51.080 you know, my great grandkids can figure out how to 1:50:51.080 --> 1:50:54.000 play a DVD and watch. 1:50:54.280 --> 1:50:55.160 You know, they can go to. 1:50:55.120 --> 1:50:57.960 An antique shop and find a DVD player and see 1:50:57.960 --> 1:50:59.960 their grand great grandfather's work. 1:51:00.200 --> 1:51:04.840 Yeah, they're like, this hologram doesn't work. I don't I 1:51:04.880 --> 1:51:07.560 don't know. These glasses don't take me to the metaverse. 1:51:09.880 --> 1:51:13.080 Amazing, Zach, This was so fun, Lisa Day of any 1:51:13.080 --> 1:51:16.639 other last minute questions, No, this was so fun. Thanks 1:51:16.760 --> 1:51:23.920 was great, Thank you so much. I had fun bud 1:51:24.000 --> 1:51:27.800 light friends. He's cool. He's cool. Yeah, I like his 1:51:27.920 --> 1:51:30.920 dad style, light beer, let the kids hang out, braid 1:51:30.960 --> 1:51:33.719 your hair. He's fun and I love that he's like, listen, 1:51:33.800 --> 1:51:35.479 they always just tell me to take my shirt off 1:51:35.520 --> 1:51:37.519 at work, so gotta keep it tight. 1:51:38.200 --> 1:51:38.840 Yeah. 1:51:38.960 --> 1:51:41.360 Yeah, he does have like no sign of dad bod, 1:51:41.600 --> 1:51:43.599 no sight of dad bod for that guy at all. 1:51:44.680 --> 1:51:46.120 He's living a dream life. 1:51:46.520 --> 1:51:49.519 I really, it's really cool to meet people that you 1:51:49.640 --> 1:51:50.600 like from shows. 1:51:50.800 --> 1:51:53.160 I know, I know, And he was just like a 1:51:53.160 --> 1:51:55.080 fund and he seems like he's really just like so 1:51:55.160 --> 1:51:58.040 grateful for like all the acting opportunities he's had, and 1:51:58.160 --> 1:51:59.840 like just a cool guy. 1:52:00.120 --> 1:52:00.320 Yeah. 1:52:00.320 --> 1:52:02.000 I hope I run into him. I'd love to cheer 1:52:02.200 --> 1:52:05.559 some nice light beers with him. And yes, watch him 1:52:05.600 --> 1:52:12.880 do pull ups. Okay, what's our post mortem? From maternal instincts? 1:52:12.960 --> 1:52:16.360 Like we we we feel for Rollin's like when you 1:52:16.439 --> 1:52:18.880 have like a crazy mom or a crazy sibling like 1:52:18.920 --> 1:52:22.439 that can be really I mean, my mom and sister 1:52:22.640 --> 1:52:24.599 are not crazy. My dad's a little crazy, but like, 1:52:25.840 --> 1:52:28.240 just this poor fucking woman is just like a pregnant 1:52:28.400 --> 1:52:29.400 SVU detective. 1:52:29.439 --> 1:52:30.800 She's got enough going on. 1:52:31.040 --> 1:52:36.160 Can we just not start getting into trouble when she's 1:52:36.160 --> 1:52:37.160 in her third trimester? 1:52:37.320 --> 1:52:38.360 Please? Like let her. 1:52:38.439 --> 1:52:40.960 I wish that Kim could just yeah, like I said, 1:52:41.040 --> 1:52:44.479 go turn tricks in Philadelphia, go to DC. There's plenty 1:52:44.520 --> 1:52:46.040 of other places you can be a sex worker. 1:52:46.560 --> 1:52:48.839 No, they get off on ruining her life and attention. 1:52:49.080 --> 1:52:52.640 But it's honestly like Rollin shouldn't have her back the 1:52:52.680 --> 1:52:55.040 moment she saw the footage. She should have they should 1:52:55.040 --> 1:52:58.080 have gone and arrested her sister. Like it's kind of like, 1:52:58.160 --> 1:53:00.519 you know what's gonna happen. This has been happening for decades. 1:53:00.560 --> 1:53:02.759 This isn't the first time she's set you up before, 1:53:02.800 --> 1:53:03.439 Like what. 1:53:03.439 --> 1:53:07.320 Are you doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I really don't understand that. Yeah, 1:53:07.360 --> 1:53:09.439 the chances and the chances. But I bet you people 1:53:09.439 --> 1:53:12.559 that are listening that are like I have a toxic 1:53:12.680 --> 1:53:15.200 sister or like a toxic mom, Like I have given 1:53:15.200 --> 1:53:17.360 them chance after a chance after chance, and it's like, 1:53:17.400 --> 1:53:18.920 I think you eventually have to get to a point 1:53:18.920 --> 1:53:20.360 where you're like the chances are done. 1:53:20.439 --> 1:53:22.800 But let's say this wasn't television, she would not have 1:53:22.840 --> 1:53:27.000 a job anymore. Robin's right, like, you're okay, so you're 1:53:27.040 --> 1:53:29.120 pregnant and now you're you're don't have a job. 1:53:29.200 --> 1:53:32.080 Are you proud? Like I it's it eventually, you know. 1:53:32.120 --> 1:53:33.960 It's like the thing about your boat, Like you can't 1:53:34.000 --> 1:53:36.680 help someone if your boat is like you have to 1:53:36.680 --> 1:53:38.680 make sure your boat is floating before you bring more 1:53:38.720 --> 1:53:40.600 people into your boat. Yeah, but you can't just be 1:53:40.640 --> 1:53:43.280 thinking before you help somebody else get their mask on 1:53:43.280 --> 1:53:43.920 on the plane. 1:53:44.520 --> 1:53:45.840 Yes, exactly. 1:53:46.240 --> 1:53:50.560 Yeah, so anyway, but an amazing episode. 1:53:51.080 --> 1:53:53.360 And if you're staying in hotel and. 1:53:53.320 --> 1:53:54.920 You get a knock, that is not like just your 1:53:54.960 --> 1:53:58.080 friend coming over, Like, let's use our peopoles. Everybody, they're 1:53:58.080 --> 1:54:00.920 there for a reason, Like everybody check your not victim blaming, 1:54:01.040 --> 1:54:04.439 just saying everybody make sure it's not a drunk, drugged 1:54:04.600 --> 1:54:09.040 violinist banging down your I mean violinist or or floutist 1:54:09.760 --> 1:54:12.680 banging down your door. And also also I learned I 1:54:12.720 --> 1:54:14.880 got to go to a flute concert. Yeah, I would 1:54:14.880 --> 1:54:17.080 love to hear from people that have been a sort 1:54:17.120 --> 1:54:23.360 of fun jazzy rock flute concert or Belladonna kind of concert, 1:54:23.920 --> 1:54:27.599 and if you know of what drugs would somebody would 1:54:27.600 --> 1:54:30.839 slip you that would make you so violent to attack 1:54:30.880 --> 1:54:33.880 other people. Besides, like basalts, I just don't know why 1:54:33.920 --> 1:54:35.520 you would give someone that if you were trying to 1:54:35.560 --> 1:54:36.040 rob them. 1:54:36.440 --> 1:54:39.280 No, and even the real case, it's like nothing was 1:54:39.320 --> 1:54:41.920 found in your system, so like what is it? 1:54:42.480 --> 1:54:44.720 But like for him too, it's like what could somebody 1:54:44.760 --> 1:54:47.280 give you that knocks you out and that when you 1:54:47.360 --> 1:54:50.880 wake up you're in a amnesic rage way. 1:54:50.960 --> 1:54:55.600 You told me ambient and alcohol does that? I did remember, 1:54:55.640 --> 1:54:58.400 because you gave me an ambien to go to Australia. Yeah, 1:54:58.440 --> 1:55:00.880 and you were really strict with me. You're like, you 1:55:00.920 --> 1:55:02.600 take it right when you want to go to bed 1:55:02.680 --> 1:55:04.800 and don't fight you not and don't and do not 1:55:04.920 --> 1:55:08.280 fight it? Yeah, or crazy shit happens. And usually when 1:55:08.280 --> 1:55:10.959 people lose it on planes, it's ambient and alcohol. 1:55:11.040 --> 1:55:14.360 No, yes, I agree, But he passed out first. That's 1:55:14.400 --> 1:55:16.360 what's so weird. It's like whatever she gave you made 1:55:16.400 --> 1:55:19.400 you pass out then made you rise up hours late. 1:55:19.600 --> 1:55:20.880 That's not ambient and go. 1:55:20.960 --> 1:55:25.600 Nuts, No, go crazy and go nuts because you are 1:55:25.680 --> 1:55:27.680 fighting it and your mind's like doing crazy things so 1:55:27.720 --> 1:55:28.280 you never do. 1:55:28.280 --> 1:55:29.800 The sleep and you just go crazy. 1:55:30.120 --> 1:55:30.400 Damn. 1:55:30.480 --> 1:55:32.120 Yeah, because so it really strict with me. 1:55:32.200 --> 1:55:34.640 You were like, dude, Yeah, like I put my sleep 1:55:34.680 --> 1:55:36.680 mask on as I took it, because I'm not really 1:55:36.720 --> 1:55:39.360 a pill popper, you know, and I'm not either, and 1:55:39.360 --> 1:55:41.760 I am literally just taken ambient on a couple of 1:55:41.800 --> 1:55:44.000 like you know, ten plus hour flights, and I just 1:55:44.040 --> 1:55:46.320 tell people, I'm like, don't take it and watch a movie. 1:55:46.400 --> 1:55:47.880 Don't take it, and like, you know, try to read 1:55:47.880 --> 1:55:49.720 a book. It's like, take it to close your eyes 1:55:49.760 --> 1:55:51.440 and go to sleep. And it really does work. But 1:55:51.480 --> 1:55:54.839 if you fight it, you get like ambient crime, ambient shopping, 1:55:54.920 --> 1:55:56.200 all the crazy ambient. 1:55:55.920 --> 1:55:59.800 Shit you hear about. Yeah, hopefully there's some pharmacists listening. 1:56:00.840 --> 1:56:03.800 Lee's brothers pharmacist. Maybe I'll ask him. 1:56:04.760 --> 1:56:08.560 We should that king of that King of the red carpet, 1:56:08.600 --> 1:56:09.440 we should ask him. 1:56:09.760 --> 1:56:11.840 I cannot wait to see him again and talk about 1:56:11.840 --> 1:56:15.640 that carpet. I think he knew like that press tour 1:56:15.720 --> 1:56:17.520 had been such a mess. 1:56:17.760 --> 1:56:20.800 Yeah, darlings, don't do your darlings, what does it. Don't 1:56:20.840 --> 1:56:22.320 worry darling, don't worry darling. 1:56:22.760 --> 1:56:24.920 And it was like, I just love that he came 1:56:24.960 --> 1:56:27.680 in with like none of that drama in his body 1:56:27.760 --> 1:56:30.040 or being and just like enjoyed the moment and had 1:56:30.080 --> 1:56:32.560 fun and like it's probably so funny in the. 1:56:32.600 --> 1:56:35.520 Q and A, and just everybody knows what we're talking about, Asifal, 1:56:35.680 --> 1:56:37.360 who we both know through stand up is in that 1:56:37.400 --> 1:56:40.600 movie a very funny actor person, a great actor. He 1:56:40.640 --> 1:56:42.640 went on the Red carpet just in all stuff he 1:56:42.680 --> 1:56:45.560 got from Goodwill, which I fucking I stand. 1:56:45.840 --> 1:56:46.600 I think that's so. 1:56:46.720 --> 1:56:49.360 Fun and cool and like, who are you wearing? I 1:56:49.360 --> 1:56:51.360 don't know, I found it a Goodwill who cares? Like, 1:56:51.680 --> 1:56:54.040 you know, I think that's you know, Nikki Glazer does that. 1:56:54.120 --> 1:56:57.000 She does good Will shopping for her performance stresses. Oh 1:56:57.080 --> 1:56:59.160 really yeah cool, she. 1:56:59.200 --> 1:57:02.320 Just goes to a town and gets a dress or 1:57:02.400 --> 1:57:03.640 like gets some dresses for sheep. 1:57:03.680 --> 1:57:05.920 I think Whitney Cummings does that too. Oh wow. 1:57:06.680 --> 1:57:09.400 Yeah, I feel because if you're on stage every night 1:57:09.440 --> 1:57:11.440 and people are taking photos and you don't want to 1:57:11.480 --> 1:57:16.800 be like fully stylist and looks constantly like it seems 1:57:16.880 --> 1:57:18.640 like Goodwill is a great option. 1:57:19.200 --> 1:57:22.600 Yeah, if you need like seventy dresses in a year. 1:57:24.080 --> 1:57:25.800 Yeah, and then you can kind of just like bring 1:57:25.840 --> 1:57:28.000 it back to Goodwill after if you want, or like 1:57:28.160 --> 1:57:29.080 donate it to someone. 1:57:29.120 --> 1:57:29.440 I don't know. 1:57:29.480 --> 1:57:33.080 You don't have to like keep it. But anyway, this 1:57:33.240 --> 1:57:35.600 was a great bucket. And you know not oh this. 1:57:36.000 --> 1:57:38.960 You know Nikki Glazer a stand up comment. She just 1:57:39.000 --> 1:57:41.640 had vocal surgery and she's like been on vocal rest, 1:57:41.920 --> 1:57:44.400 but she keeps like going out and going to concerts 1:57:44.440 --> 1:57:45.600 and I'm like, how do you. 1:57:45.600 --> 1:57:47.320 How do you not talk? Yell? 1:57:48.520 --> 1:57:48.600 No? 1:57:48.760 --> 1:57:50.960 I literally think that I should have gotten my tonsils 1:57:50.960 --> 1:57:54.200 out years ago, and I've talked to a doctor about 1:57:54.200 --> 1:57:55.320 getting them out, and They're like, you'd have to be 1:57:55.360 --> 1:57:56.880 quiet for like two weeks. You'd have to not talk. 1:57:56.920 --> 1:57:58.320 And I'm like, I don't. I can't do it, So 1:57:58.560 --> 1:57:59.840 I guess I'll just have them in forever. 1:58:00.840 --> 1:58:01.040 Yeah. 1:58:01.160 --> 1:58:03.320 Someone, well, I think it was Lizzie Cooper. Someone told 1:58:03.320 --> 1:58:05.600 me I should go to a silent retreat. And I 1:58:05.640 --> 1:58:07.440 see you as Lizzie. I heard it on your botch, 1:58:07.640 --> 1:58:12.120 on your thought of it, same man, same. Oh my god. 1:58:12.320 --> 1:58:14.480 That is my punishment. If I commit a crime. You 1:58:14.520 --> 1:58:16.160 can either put me in jail or you can send 1:58:16.200 --> 1:58:18.080 me on a long silent retreat and I will have 1:58:18.120 --> 1:58:21.240 learned my lesson and that crime will not be committed again. 1:58:23.440 --> 1:58:25.120 Oh god, this was fun. 1:58:25.440 --> 1:58:31.920 Yeah, great episode. Let's get into what would Sister Peg do, 1:58:32.080 --> 1:58:37.680 our weekly segment where we give you guys a book, organization, article, 1:58:37.840 --> 1:58:40.440 something to give you more information about we talked about 1:58:40.440 --> 1:58:45.400 this week. Obviously, there's no organizations that deal with you know, floutists, 1:58:45.440 --> 1:58:49.040 assaulting people, or anything like that, but we wanted to 1:58:49.080 --> 1:58:52.320 point out an article featured in Psychology Today called five 1:58:52.360 --> 1:58:54.760 Strategies to Cope with Toxic family Members. 1:58:54.960 --> 1:58:56.240 I know there's a lot of talk. 1:58:56.200 --> 1:58:58.320 Today about toxic people in your life, but I think 1:58:58.400 --> 1:59:02.440 sometimes cope likeing or cutting out a person in your 1:59:02.480 --> 1:59:04.760 family who's toxic is a lot more difficult than just 1:59:04.800 --> 1:59:07.280 like a friend or a lover. So this article is 1:59:07.280 --> 1:59:11.440 written by Abigail Brunner, MD, and not only helps identify 1:59:11.480 --> 1:59:13.200 those toxic traits, but it also has a lot of 1:59:13.200 --> 1:59:16.680 great tips for creating boundaries, not engaging, and limiting your 1:59:16.680 --> 1:59:19.480 contact with that toxic family member. So you can check 1:59:19.480 --> 1:59:21.880 out the article. We have the link in our show 1:59:21.880 --> 1:59:24.920 notes that's on Psychology Today's websites, on our show Notes, 1:59:25.200 --> 1:59:28.480 and as always will be in our WWSPD Highlight on 1:59:28.520 --> 1:59:29.720 our Instagram. 1:59:30.240 --> 1:59:32.400 Thank you for that. I love Psychology today. 1:59:32.560 --> 1:59:35.120 It's one of my favorite magazines to buy out and 1:59:35.160 --> 1:59:39.600 about when I need to be because yeah, Cosmo doesn't 1:59:39.600 --> 1:59:43.280 work for me anymore. 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