Speaker 1: Now, the Shotgun Starting Golf is full of mathematics. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of setup work that we have to do
Speaker 1: in order to make a tournament work. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to demonstrate to you just exactly how we do a
Speaker 1: shotgun start here.
Speaker 2: Where are we?
Speaker 1: Alright? Alright, alright, gentle mans, darn your.
Speaker 2: Greetings, and welcome to a Monday edition of The Shotgun Start.
Speaker 2: It is August twenty fourth, Andy, how are we doing, Brendan?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. How are you?
Speaker 2: You're back? Oh, don't worry about me. How are you?
Speaker 2: I think it's a surprise return, you know. It's it's
Speaker 2: like getting right back in there Ronnie Lott cutting his
Speaker 2: finger off and coming right back in the game. It's
Speaker 2: an early return here. You're gonna hobble and gut it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll see. I don't know if I'll be
Speaker 1: back full time. I don't know. Three days a week
Speaker 1: is gonna be right now. We're still adjusting, but but
Speaker 1: we're back for tonight.
Speaker 2: You know what's alike? Your dad, you left us. Last
Speaker 2: time you were here, we were I don't know what
Speaker 2: we were doing. We were shouting about di amateur Tyler
Speaker 2: fachie stuff, and now you're back and you're a dad.
Speaker 2: How are you? How's it going?
Speaker 1: I know what, Frank Strafaci, you know, in all seriousness,
Speaker 1: is an unbelievable experience. Obviously it's a it's our first kid,
Speaker 1: our baby girl, and uh, it was unbelieve It's been
Speaker 1: just an amazing week. And and I think everybody always
Speaker 1: tells you what it's going to be like, what it's like,
Speaker 1: And you know, my feeling is that nothing anybody can
Speaker 1: tell you will ever prepare you for how amazing the
Speaker 1: feeling of becoming a father is. And uh, sure really
Speaker 1: cool week, so.
Speaker 2: Good where everybody's happy for you. All that unsolicited advice,
Speaker 2: all that unsolicited commentary about oh you won't believe this,
Speaker 2: you need to do that, it didn't prepare you for it. No,
Speaker 2: like you thought you didn't ask for and didn't want.
Speaker 1: I'm sure nothing can compare it can prepare you for
Speaker 1: that first night in the in the hospital when when
Speaker 1: the nurses aren't around and you got the baby's crying,
Speaker 1: you gotta gotta feed the baby. And I'm you know,
Speaker 1: cleaning up a dirty diaper for the first time on
Speaker 1: my own. It's just that was nothing could prepare you
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 1: Nothing can prepare are you for you know, basically not
Speaker 1: sleeping for the first two nights while they're you know,
Speaker 1: up and yeah. So it was funny. I was listening
Speaker 1: to you and Chane when Friday's pot and your advice was,
Speaker 1: you know, to use the nursery. And I turned to
Speaker 1: turn to Kaylei I go, you know, I just listened
Speaker 1: to the podcast of the Oh no, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be on her bad side. I gave us was
Speaker 1: to use the nursery. And we we didn't use the nursery.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think we did much the first time.
Speaker 2: By the fourth time, we were just like, all right,
Speaker 2: the baby's born. It's like we're put in the car
Speaker 2: when we're going home. Otherwise, you know, you guys take
Speaker 2: care of it. Yeah no, but that's good. Everybody's happy
Speaker 2: for you, very very congrats, so thank you.
Speaker 1: Uh. Ready to talk golf. I've watched a ton of golf,
Speaker 1: you know, the baby just laying and sleeping, and you know,
Speaker 1: i'd find myself watching a lot of coffee golf. I
Speaker 1: didn't watch a ton of the Northern Trust, I uh,
Speaker 1: but I did watch a lot of coffee golf.
Speaker 2: Would you have watched a lot of the Northern US
Speaker 2: if you hadn't become a newborn dad this week anyways?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I tuned into some of it this weekend,
Speaker 1: a little bit here and there. Obviously i'd be dustin.
Speaker 1: Jonathan's performance was astounding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. Let's talk about women. Should we mentioned
Speaker 2: coffee golf? Let's talk about the women's Open. Sophia pop Off,
Speaker 2: I think I got that right. Pop Off? Pope? Is
Speaker 2: it popa? I think it's Popoff? So Fia pop Off German.
Speaker 2: She went to usc she almost gave up golf last
Speaker 2: last year. Truon was just a fabulous watch. Pop Off
Speaker 2: was sort of inspiring to watch. Down the end. There
Speaker 2: wasn't a lot of drama, you know. She separated herself
Speaker 2: a bit, you know, even when it looked like it
Speaker 2: might get dicey. She burnied back to back holes to
Speaker 2: really kind of push a head, you know, Truan. Obviously,
Speaker 2: you find yourself in a pop bunk or something, and
Speaker 2: big margin can become small quickly. But it never really
Speaker 2: felt too dramatic. It's just still great, a great morning
Speaker 2: watch all weekend, you know, not just pop off. You know,
Speaker 2: we talked about I don't think no, we didn't on Friday,
Speaker 2: but over the weekend Saturday, she didn't drive her off
Speaker 2: the deck. It was just great to wake up to,
Speaker 2: you know. Lindsay Weaver had a ridiculous hole out from
Speaker 2: some junk on the green side. Minji Lee had an
Speaker 2: amazing up and down from the on the postage stamp.
Speaker 2: It was just a lot of great golf to watch
Speaker 2: and then a great champion to a great story.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it is awesome golf, and obviously the story
Speaker 1: is going to get headlines where you know, she wasn't
Speaker 1: in the field until what a week ago she was
Speaker 1: caddying at Enverness. She almost quit golf. She didn't have
Speaker 1: a PGA or an LPGA Tour card. She had earned
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars in her entire LPGA career and then
Speaker 1: earned six hundred thousand this week. Like there are all
Speaker 1: these really amazing things about her, when what I kind
Speaker 1: of found the most amazing was this wasn't she got
Speaker 1: hot on Sunday and stuck up on everybody. This was
Speaker 1: she She distanced herself on Saturday, slept on the lead
Speaker 1: being you know, we see these you know remember uh
Speaker 1: Austin Connolly a couple of years.
Speaker 3: Ago, Like we see stuff like this, Yeah, we see
Speaker 3: stuff like this happen, but then we rarely see the
Speaker 3: person the no name like Jason Gore or the who
Speaker 3: was the guy that was wearing the bell bottom pants,
Speaker 3: the O six wing foot Fairy, Kenny Fairy. You know,
Speaker 3: we see these guys get into contention offen like, it's
Speaker 3: not irregular to see that.
Speaker 1: But then it's so you know, she just she played
Speaker 1: great on Sunday. She absolutely put on a clinic on Sunday,
Speaker 1: and it was, you know, coming down the stretch just
Speaker 1: it was stress free. It was green, fair fairway green,
Speaker 1: fairway green. And then on eighteen I loved the putt,
Speaker 1: you know, from off the green. It was just so sensible,
Speaker 1: and that's that. It was just amazing to see somebody
Speaker 1: with so few credentials play so calm and cool and
Speaker 1: collected under the gun and under that major championship pressure.
Speaker 2: So conditions got a little better. It wasn't like the
Speaker 2: sixty mile bar our gusts they're expected on thirdy, but
Speaker 2: she went sixty seven sixty eight on the weekend. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you're talking about sleeping on the lead. She came out,
Speaker 2: didn't you like seventy two? She didn't even you know,
Speaker 2: sixty eight pretty much backed it up. You know, Bogie's
Speaker 2: the last kind of as a more of the sensible play,
Speaker 2: as you would suggest. One thing I found like the
Speaker 2: story's great any year. The story is just awesome. She's
Speaker 2: in tears after the round, said, you know, I really
Speaker 2: thought I was going to quick golf last year. You know,
Speaker 2: she has no status, but I thought it was great,
Speaker 2: especially in this year. It's not a great year for
Speaker 2: a lot of people. You know, it's not a great
Speaker 2: year for the regular Joe. It's not a great year
Speaker 2: for you know, Roger Sloane. His wife can't you know,
Speaker 2: walk inside the walk and watch him shoot seventy five
Speaker 2: at the Windham Championship. It's not a great year for
Speaker 2: just a lot of people.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable comment.
Speaker 2: I like that PG Tours abandoned the family aspect.
Speaker 1: It's so sad that my wife can't come ontch this
Speaker 1: pandemic with you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, but from a golf perspective, it's especially hard
Speaker 2: and challenging and you know, fraught with trouble if you
Speaker 2: don't have status or you're on a lower tour, on
Speaker 2: some up and coming tour, and we've seen this. It's
Speaker 2: especially difficult the local IQ tour. They cobble together the
Speaker 2: web tour guys. They have no chance of advancing. We
Speaker 2: know that. But she's like grinding out starts on the
Speaker 2: Semetra tour, caddying on the LPGA went in Cactus to
Speaker 2: her playing Cactus tour. So I think like in this year,
Speaker 2: especially when there is so much, the barriers are even
Speaker 2: higher to just having a career, to having opportunity a
Speaker 2: win like this, and this moment is I think even
Speaker 2: heightened more than the story is made even amplified by
Speaker 2: by that the current circumstance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially she's thinking about quitting. It's like how easy
Speaker 1: would have been to quit this year when the world's
Speaker 1: shut down and golf shut down for what it was
Speaker 1: a three months four months?
Speaker 2: And that's what we hear so much about the greatest
Speaker 2: impact that agents told us, like the people on the fringes,
Speaker 2: people like person like this will quit with with really
Speaker 2: like those pathways closing off more than anything.
Speaker 1: Did you see that she's actually not in the US
Speaker 1: Open or a NA inspiration fields right now the wind
Speaker 1: didn't get her into those two of the next three majors.
Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: Beth Anne Nichols wrote an article about it. But she's
Speaker 1: not in those fields. That's got to change, is it.
Speaker 2: A So it's a chronological thing, right, So the Women's
Speaker 2: Open would usually come after this, so it would get
Speaker 2: her in the next one, the twenty twenty one Open.
Speaker 2: In an I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know what it is, but it,
Speaker 1: you know, for she needs to be in those fields.
Speaker 2: Presumably she gets five year exemptions or something to all
Speaker 2: the other majors, right, But it probably doesn't start till
Speaker 2: next year because this is usually the last women's major,
Speaker 2: maybe second to last. I don't know if the the
Speaker 2: oncomes after that. It's because of the order, right, right,
Speaker 2: same issue with Burger, which we'll talk about, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: Burger is probably in for next year. We'll talk about
Speaker 2: that later. Anything else on the Women's Open.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just, I just I was enthralled by by
Speaker 1: the golf all week. I was up very early in
Speaker 1: the morning because of a newborn baby, and I found
Speaker 1: myself watching a lot of the golf, which was a
Speaker 1: great byproduct of it, and you know, I napped in
Speaker 1: the afternoon, and uh, it was. It was awesome. It's
Speaker 1: so much fun to watch. I've enjoyed the the women's
Speaker 1: return to golf capitalized so much in the last.
Speaker 2: Not clear if they did an official campaign. They demanded
Speaker 2: journalists capitalize it.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's under you know, not capitalized, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's bolded.
Speaker 2: Who knows. Yeah, so what You've enjoyed the whole thing on.
Speaker 1: One of the things I loved is, you know, they
Speaker 1: played on three of the four weeks, and I think
Speaker 1: the other course in Toledo, I forgot what the name
Speaker 1: of it is, but you know, they played Inverness Renaissance
Speaker 1: Club and truon three of the four weeks that they've
Speaker 1: been back. There are three world class golf courses, and
Speaker 1: it's just been so much fun to watch. And I
Speaker 1: kind of found myself and I wrote something. I don't
Speaker 1: know when it will go up. I was so inspired
Speaker 1: I wrote something today, which is a rarety these days.
Speaker 2: Geez, you got a kid and you're writing and you're
Speaker 2: podcasting four or five days later. Impressive.
Speaker 1: But one of the things I couldn't I couldn't help
Speaker 1: but think watching you know, having watched a ton of
Speaker 1: this golf tournament and watched a lot of Inverness, is
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a diehard baseball fan, there's nothing
Speaker 1: better than, you know, playoff baseball, where everybody's scratching for
Speaker 1: to win on the margins, where executing that hit and
Speaker 1: run moving the runner from first to second is like paramount.
Speaker 1: And I feel like the women's game of golf is
Speaker 1: like that, especially on these great courses, where every little
Speaker 1: thing matters and every aspect of their game is being examined.
Speaker 1: And I couldn't help, especially with the direction with Bryson. Obviously,
Speaker 1: DJ had an unbelievable performance. This is not at all
Speaker 1: meant to take away from DJ's performance, but the PGA Tour,
Speaker 1: I feel like, just thinking about the baseball comparison is
Speaker 1: moving itself more and more towards home run derby, where
Speaker 1: it's just get up to the ball, hit it as
Speaker 1: far as you can, and wedge it up there. And
Speaker 1: it's becoming so much less interesting for a die hard
Speaker 1: fan than that game where you know, being on one
Speaker 1: side of the fairway matters because you have to approach
Speaker 1: a green with a fronting bunker. That doesn't matter when
Speaker 1: you've got a lobwadge in your hand every hole. You know,
Speaker 1: it does matter when you're coming in with a lower
Speaker 1: trajectory club. And we saw at Truon like it was
Speaker 1: really neat, And you saw it with mb Park's post
Speaker 1: round interview. They asked her, you know, she got, oh,
Speaker 1: it's really tough. And we saw it like they're hitting
Speaker 1: long irons into these greens coming down the stretch and
Speaker 1: the men, you know, they're hitting wedges. It's just not
Speaker 1: the same. And you know, hitting a wedge into a green,
Speaker 1: there's there's not that much that can go wrong, Like
Speaker 1: it's really hard to mess up with a wedge, you know.
Speaker 1: And in this this game has I think so much potential.
Speaker 1: The women's game, I think is I kind of have
Speaker 1: started to think about it in the way tennis. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously tennis had a big revolution with the composite racket
Speaker 1: and the modern strings, which led to the men's game
Speaker 1: becoming so power dominant, you know, where it became just
Speaker 1: serve and volley and there's you know the popularity of
Speaker 1: the men's game diminished so much, and what who won
Speaker 1: from that was the women's game who still retained those
Speaker 1: volleys and became you know, the women's game actually became
Speaker 1: more popular. And because of that, you know, prize money
Speaker 1: equaled out. The women get paid the same amount as
Speaker 1: the men now and uh, you know the men ultimately
Speaker 1: slowed the ball down to get their rallies back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think that that some of that nuance is
Speaker 1: just being lost in the men's game. And you watch
Speaker 1: the women and you know, women's distances line up pretty
Speaker 1: well the nineteen eighties men's golf now right right, A
Speaker 1: lot of people say is the Golden Age of golf
Speaker 1: the best decade of golf? And it's because different styles
Speaker 1: are able to thrive. It's not just about how who
Speaker 1: bashes it the furthest and straightest in a given week
Speaker 1: and puttswell.
Speaker 2: Pretty good era for euro golf too, well, you know,
Speaker 2: when you're talking about eighties, different kind of hell. Those
Speaker 2: not the bigger hitter and you got a woozy was
Speaker 2: like five something. You can smash it with the hard
Speaker 2: hook and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You had Jack and Tom Watson, and you know, I think,
Speaker 1: like when you think about the women's game, I think
Speaker 1: the next twenty years could be really it could really
Speaker 1: grow in popularity. Because it's just more compelling golf in
Speaker 1: my opinion.
Speaker 2: I think to your point, well, I mean this most
Speaker 2: recent instant event, that's what's the most famous hole at true,
Speaker 2: it's the post shamp, right, It's like this one that's
Speaker 2: like extreme precision. Right, It's not like the thing to
Speaker 2: mash it, right, it's this precision. Who can who can
Speaker 2: make the smartest play, or who can decide to make
Speaker 2: the ballsiest play? Or where do you find the middle line? Right?
Speaker 2: Where do you go? And who can be the most
Speaker 2: precise and who can execute it? And I think to
Speaker 2: that point of my favorite shot from the week that
Speaker 2: we can remember, the shot I'll remember most is a driver,
Speaker 2: but his driver off the deck. It's just what that
Speaker 2: got like fifteen feet off the ground and did this
Speaker 2: kind of rope around this front thing, you know, pot bunker.
Speaker 2: It kind of curled around beautifully. That's what I'll remember.
Speaker 2: It's not again, Yeah, it's just a little bit to
Speaker 2: your point on the smash and wedge.
Speaker 1: The most interesting golf shots, the most interesting parts of
Speaker 1: them in general, outside of maybe your slam dunks, are
Speaker 1: the ones once the ball hits the ground, that's when
Speaker 1: it's the most interesting. When the ball's rolling and you know,
Speaker 1: driver wedge doesn't leave much for that, you know, because
Speaker 1: you're hitting a wedge that's just going up and stopping,
Speaker 1: especially when the course is soft, you know, which we
Speaker 1: see a lot of times with the PGA Tour. And
Speaker 1: we can talk more about that in a few minutes.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, the other thing I was thinking
Speaker 1: about is like, why are equipment money. I understand why
Speaker 1: they are because of the eyeballs, but like, if you're
Speaker 1: an equipment company, why aren't women the ones that you're
Speaker 1: paying tons of money to endorse because they're you know,
Speaker 1: a high launching long iron makes a huge impact on
Speaker 1: their game. Like DJ Rory all those guys, they could
Speaker 1: hit a butter knife high and soft. They can do
Speaker 1: things that, like what equipment they play, has no impact
Speaker 1: on the general public because they don't have the same
Speaker 1: anywhere near the same problems as them. Like these women
Speaker 1: should be the the ambassadors of the game because they,
Speaker 1: you know, them having a long, a high launching long
Speaker 1: iron is very relatable to the eight handicap who hits it,
Speaker 1: you know, two eighty and needs a long, a high
Speaker 1: launching long iron to play par vibes better. Long par
Speaker 1: three is better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're telling the eight handicap does not approximating talent.
Speaker 2: No similar issue. I know what you're I just don't.
Speaker 2: I want people to be clear about that that they're
Speaker 2: You're not suggesting they're similar players in any way, but
Speaker 2: similar styles and similar I don't know, similar issue, a
Speaker 2: similar solution.
Speaker 1: The club could be the thing about the women, like
Speaker 1: they there are long there are Marius Fasci smashes it,
Speaker 1: Lexi Thompson smashes it like they they are long hitters
Speaker 1: out there, but they are so good at everything. They're
Speaker 1: just incredible. How good they are, like the the dispersion,
Speaker 1: like how tight, how small their misses are is just astonishing.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, Okay, one other thing before we move on.
Speaker 1: We got to talk about Lexi Thompson.
Speaker 2: That was it. That's exactly where you are. We are
Speaker 2: right back, Simpodico. Yeah, I didn't know. Yes, that's that's
Speaker 2: what I had. Fantastic, good to have you back in.
Speaker 1: What do you think? What do you what are your thoughts?
Speaker 1: Explain what happened and then let's hear your thoughts and
Speaker 1: I'll give you the book.
Speaker 2: You're a gesticulating you look ready to talk. I mean,
Speaker 2: you can't do that, all right? You want me to
Speaker 2: set it up or sitting on adjacent abutting a tuft
Speaker 2: of grass. It's tough, appears to be a wisp of
Speaker 2: some sort. It's maybe eight inches tall. It's probably clumpy.
Speaker 2: The ball is not on it. It's sort of like
Speaker 2: against it, right? Is that? Would that be accurate to say?
Speaker 2: Just like against it? And it's otherwise I like the
Speaker 2: word of butting, but it's otherwise like just sort of
Speaker 2: a burned out wash is area.
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: It's now this thick rough, it's just that it's unmaintained
Speaker 2: kind of tuft of grass.
Speaker 1: It's a very unpredictable lie. You'd look at it and
Speaker 1: kind of be like, hmm, I don't know what this
Speaker 1: is going to do because of this tuft of grass.
Speaker 2: A little breezy. Maybe the tuft is swaying in the
Speaker 2: wind gently, I don't know. But she takes the back
Speaker 2: of her iron and just brushes at the tuft of
Speaker 2: the grass that's touching her ball and does it again. Now,
Speaker 2: Now this this grass is, you know, eight inches in
Speaker 2: the air. Her ball is whatever an inch, you know,
Speaker 2: So she's not necessarily really close to the ball, but
Speaker 2: she's moving the grass, the clump that is touching her ball.
Speaker 1: And when she addressed the ball a couple times pretty forceful,
Speaker 1: takes the club off pretty fo like she put padded
Speaker 1: it down, you know, like see I'm not saying she
Speaker 1: intentionally patted it down, but it was not like a
Speaker 1: soft address of the club. It was a pretty forceful address.
Speaker 2: So then she she just kind of waves at it
Speaker 2: with the back of her iron, you know, knocks the
Speaker 2: I don't know what, I don't know. Necessarily, it was
Speaker 2: looked very blatant to be sort of improving your lie
Speaker 2: or trying to remove a hindrance, like you would like
Speaker 2: a twig that's touching, you know, just taking the back
Speaker 2: of your club and flipping a twig that was kind
Speaker 2: of against your ball. It just and then hits and
Speaker 2: then plays. And then I woke up to this. It
Speaker 2: would have been Friday morning. I think we woke up
Speaker 2: to this European twitters and a rough roar about it.
Speaker 2: David Rickman, who I believe is the RNA rules person,
Speaker 2: said there was no penalty because the ball. Did they
Speaker 2: determine it moved. I don't know that they ever did
Speaker 2: think they all they said was I think they came
Speaker 2: back to a place where original it's original point. Wherever
Speaker 2: it was, it was in its original point.
Speaker 1: And I think the question becomes, was she improving or lie?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, right right. So this is against the backdrop
Speaker 2: of DNA debacle, where she you know, mismarked her ball
Speaker 2: and then you know, twenty four hours later she gets
Speaker 2: dinged with the four shot penalty, where you know, I
Speaker 2: think given the way that was sort of where that
Speaker 2: punishment was handed out, she was certainly sympathetic figure in
Speaker 2: that case. I think she should have like the way
Speaker 2: it came about down, you know, as she's going to
Speaker 2: the Sunday of a major and she's hearing about something
Speaker 2: that happened twenty four hours ago. But there were certainly people, professionals,
Speaker 2: professional commentators, Robert Dammeran among them, others who's like that
Speaker 2: looked deliberate, that looked you know, death, a little sketchy,
Speaker 2: a little sketchy.
Speaker 1: You know, where to put the ball back down? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Get get yeah there to get around something on the green.
Speaker 2: So what do you make of this? What do you
Speaker 2: should there have been a penalty? So I'm not suggesting
Speaker 2: this is there's some clear pattern of cheating, but I
Speaker 2: think European commentators and rightly so we're bringing that up
Speaker 2: in context of this one. So I go ahead, what
Speaker 2: do you make of this?
Speaker 1: Jeff shackle Firds pointing this out. I think is that
Speaker 1: it was a big moment in the sense of how
Speaker 1: it put this gray area into the game where you
Speaker 1: know it it looked pretty clear that she was you know,
Speaker 1: whether or not the I think the whole thing comes
Speaker 1: back to this intent thing that with the same thing
Speaker 1: we saw with like read and you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: intend to do this. It's or the anchor man, I've
Speaker 1: got intending to anchor my putter. But yeah, right right,
Speaker 1: but like the reality you didn't intend you you did it,
Speaker 1: and like there's no doubt in my mind that what
Speaker 1: she was doing was trying to improve her lie Like
Speaker 1: you wouldn't do that kind of stuff. You could be
Speaker 1: testing the way you took it over, but that didn't
Speaker 1: even look like that. You know, she was smashing down
Speaker 1: the grass behind the ball, and.
Speaker 2: There was there was no like subtlety too, No, there
Speaker 2: was no subtlety like it was even that someone who's
Speaker 2: not super in competitive golf or familiar with the rules,
Speaker 2: you're like, whoa, whoa. That looks out of the ordinary,
Speaker 2: the way she's waving at that.
Speaker 1: And it's really clear. When you are up against a tree,
Speaker 1: if you knock like a leaf off, it's a penalty.
Speaker 1: But grass is so much different because like, if you
Speaker 1: knock it down, it's not a penalty. You know if
Speaker 1: you and like it's not like a clear cut thing.
Speaker 1: You don't see the leaf fall or the branch fall,
Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, the branch fell, it's a penalty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's.
Speaker 1: Not like, oh, she mashed down this tuft of grass
Speaker 1: that made it easier for her to hit the ball
Speaker 1: is not as clear because it's like, but I think
Speaker 1: it should have been a penalty. I think that that
Speaker 1: rule really needs to be revisited and written more clearly
Speaker 1: because it seems like we've run into it now. Like
Speaker 1: the rom situation was similar, but I think way different.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think John ram it was anywhere
Speaker 1: in the like that was seems even whether.
Speaker 2: His ball moved or he was like trying to fluff
Speaker 2: it or adjust.
Speaker 1: It, that seemed like an address of the ball. And
Speaker 1: now you could say like he shouldn't address the ball
Speaker 1: like that. But that comes back to a whole another
Speaker 1: can of worm. This looked like this was out of
Speaker 1: her ordinary routine and something she did to better hit,
Speaker 1: hit a better shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also brings the light. It brings to mind
Speaker 2: the read thing at Beth Page right when Costas is
Speaker 2: on the broadcast like, well, I don't know like what
Speaker 2: club he's hit or I don't know where this is
Speaker 2: going to go, but I do know the why he's
Speaker 2: hitting out of now was not the same one you
Speaker 2: had five minutes or three minutes ago. And how do
Speaker 2: you adjudicate that? I mean, if you get some rules
Speaker 2: guys coming out at Pat Reid, they're gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: try to bite their head off saying that, like how
Speaker 2: do you determine it? Do you determine it? Is you
Speaker 2: make it an intent? Do you make it? This was
Speaker 2: too severe of padding a lie or messing around with
Speaker 2: a lie. If the ball I don't know, if the
Speaker 2: ball moves, it's kind of like cut and dry right
Speaker 2: and doesn't come back to a spot like then we know.
Speaker 2: But there's so much more gray area beyond that of
Speaker 2: really improving your lie. I think in the rough at
Speaker 2: a bet page seems like the most significant place where
Speaker 2: you can do it without you know, bringing on any
Speaker 2: kind of punishment or bringing on watchful eyes.
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I mean I think she should have
Speaker 1: been penalized.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: I think the other aspect of this is after what
Speaker 1: happened a couple of years ago. Yeah, there's a little
Speaker 1: bit more less room for doubt, you know you kind
Speaker 1: of it's a fool me once situation. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I always screw up the second half of that, so
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna leave it there, fool.
Speaker 2: Me on such. I mean, I'm glad we talked about that.
Speaker 2: I don't have any other Women's Open thoughts to you.
Speaker 1: I yeah, I'm well. The other thing I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: I think the back half of what I was talking
Speaker 1: about earlier is that, you know, last year we played,
Speaker 1: they played this event at Woeburn, which was a disgrace
Speaker 1: for the Women's British Open. We played at a parkland
Speaker 1: course built in the fifties in England. So I think
Speaker 1: a big signal of I think this is a great
Speaker 1: first step of golf and really embracing and promoting the
Speaker 1: women's game is the upcoming schedule of Open championship courses
Speaker 1: that they're playing with Mirfield and Carnousti and the Old course.
Speaker 1: Like it's really exciting because watching them play Troon was
Speaker 1: part of the delight is that these great golf courses
Speaker 1: amplify how great their golf product is.
Speaker 2: Yep. I think the Women's Open has had a great
Speaker 2: run of sort of champions stories. I would say the
Speaker 2: Chabuno Schabuno. I know the course is brutal last year,
Speaker 2: but just smiling and her pace of play that was amazing.
Speaker 2: You know, this story pop off with giving it up
Speaker 2: on the verge of giving up the game. Remember Moe
Speaker 2: Martin a couple of years ago. I want to say
Speaker 2: that was Birkdale and she like smoked that wood into
Speaker 2: the par fives. You know she was not, you know,
Speaker 2: the most dominant talent, but a very good pro. It's
Speaker 2: just kind of another amazing story. The Women's Opens really produced,
Speaker 2: like the Men's Open produce some kind of wonderful champions
Speaker 2: wonderful stories. And last I would say decade or so.
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Speaker 2: there in the rain delay. I'm not gonna lie. We
Speaker 2: just started recording. You know, I've got some duties tonight.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got a child.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: DJ leads They've got three holes to play, two holes
Speaker 2: to play. He's twenty nine under. He leads Harris English
Speaker 2: by nine.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: He's gone sixty seven, sixty disappointing, sixty sixty four looks
Speaker 2: to be on pace for another meet sixty. He went
Speaker 2: out in thirty. You know he's got two holes left.
Speaker 1: Is he gonna get to Ernie? Is he gonna get
Speaker 1: to thirty one?
Speaker 2: Thirty? I don't know. Is it gonna be Brian Gant.
Speaker 2: That's recording before all this drama has been settled. That's
Speaker 2: maybe why we decided to records. We wouldn't be so
Speaker 2: down about Brian Gay's record being shattered. So we don't
Speaker 2: know for sure. Brian Gay last winner, double digit winner
Speaker 2: on the PGA Tour that's we jumped the guns, so
Speaker 2: we wouldn't have that added, you know, depression of his
Speaker 2: record being bro.
Speaker 1: Do you think Harris English and DJ are talking about
Speaker 1: that right now, about Beg's uh Beach's record and whether
Speaker 1: Harris could could prevent it from from uh you know.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think they probably are
Speaker 2: aware of the situation, unless Sean Martin, you know, text
Speaker 2: with one of them about it. I doubt they're are aware.
Speaker 2: So do you think he's gonna break Ernie? I don't
Speaker 2: think he's got two birdie holes. He's got to go
Speaker 2: Bertie eagle to break Ernie's. I think I could very
Speaker 2: foresee him tying it Tom Yeah, you know, But I.
Speaker 1: Mean the reality is it's a par seventy one versus
Speaker 1: kappaloois par seventy three. So one of the things there
Speaker 1: is that, you know, the it's an utterly astonishing performance,
Speaker 1: I mean incredible, and I I have to say the
Speaker 1: golf course has been has taken a lot of heat,
Speaker 1: It's gotten gotten beat up by people because of the scores.
Speaker 1: It's a natural knee jerk reaction. But like look at
Speaker 1: the DJ's nine. Clear he's clearly the best player there is.
Speaker 1: Letting him get nine clear. The other thing that I've
Speaker 1: been kind of impressed by. There have been big scores,
Speaker 1: you know, like Rory shot seventy four yesterday. Yeah, ZB
Speaker 1: shot eighty on Friday after he shot four under the
Speaker 1: first day. You know, like they're there, haven't It's not.
Speaker 1: It's just utterly astonishing how good of golf DJ is played.
Speaker 1: And he's just so good when he's on like this.
Speaker 2: It's just played well at the PGA. You know, this
Speaker 2: isn't like some guy who just you know, slapping it around. Obviously,
Speaker 2: you don't get to twenty nine unders, you don't get
Speaker 2: nine and clear. And he's you know, he's all around, right,
Speaker 2: all around, tea green, he's been pretty good putting, and
Speaker 2: it's just it's, yeah, it's a legendary FedEx Cup performance.
Speaker 2: I don't know about.
Speaker 1: Legendary legendary FedEx Cup performance. This is just like you
Speaker 1: know what Luca Dodgers is doing on the NBA, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's broken. While we were recording, he drained something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the three pointer went out.
Speaker 1: It's just just like that. I mean, this is this
Speaker 1: is where the play playoff basketball is just like playoff
Speaker 1: golf here, it's not it's not been you know, the
Speaker 1: playoffs Here's what I'll say.
Speaker 2: The stakes seem low, but the guys who have won them,
Speaker 2: he's slowed them here or there. You know, take away
Speaker 2: like the players who win them are are often you know,
Speaker 2: the top players that year.
Speaker 1: I think, right, somebody text me and asked me, you
Speaker 1: know about the playoffs. They're said, it seems like a
Speaker 1: lot of big names missed the cut this week. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: it's like the top one hundred and twenty five guys,
Speaker 1: so like, there aren't that many bad guys. There's no Yeah,
Speaker 1: like we we don't have ten sponsors exemptions rolling into
Speaker 1: the field and Dandy Chopps and mister three hundred.
Speaker 2: Danny Chopps is on the call this week. I I
Speaker 2: struggle personally to just get into these every year. I
Speaker 2: just do. I like to I love. I'm not suggesting
Speaker 2: they're bad or what happened before them was, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's an improvement on you know, what existed in
Speaker 2: two thousand and six. I personally just really struggle to
Speaker 2: be enthused or into these. Even with DJ going for
Speaker 2: a fifty eight, it was hard for me to get
Speaker 2: into and that's just me. I'm not every year the
Speaker 2: Northern Trust just I don know. Last year stunk Pat
Speaker 2: Reid won, but the entire week was about slow play
Speaker 2: that was juicy and enjoyable. Well, this year, DJ's like
Speaker 2: putting on one of the great performances that. You know,
Speaker 2: if we were to do a spotlight on him in
Speaker 2: twenty years, you know this will probably be at thirty
Speaker 2: seconds of it, two minutes of it, right, it's going
Speaker 2: to be a career achievement of some sort.
Speaker 1: It'll be about DJ. And how it's His wins list
Speaker 1: is really incredible. I mean he won the Northern Trust
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Yeah, he's won a ton
Speaker 1: of wgc's.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: He consistently plays great in major championships. Although he's only
Speaker 1: won one, three or four could have gone his way.
Speaker 1: He plays extraordinarily well. He is not the King of
Speaker 1: the Bees, as one player referred to Marcomira, like he
Speaker 1: wins the A events and he can win them running away,
Speaker 1: and that I am always amazed at guys that can
Speaker 1: win golf tournaments by seven, eight, nine, ten shots like
Speaker 1: that is extraordinary, especially against a field that has the
Speaker 1: best players in the world. In it like, not often
Speaker 1: you see the best players in the world get lapped
Speaker 1: by another player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do. You feel like him separating says anything
Speaker 2: about TPC Boston. That's you know, people are gonna say
Speaker 2: like separation. You know, usually identify, you know, identify as
Speaker 2: a course that identifies who's playing the best kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Does that say anything to the course?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think one of the things with DJ
Speaker 1: is he's never hitting He's rarely ever hitting less than
Speaker 1: a wedge into part four or more than a wet
Speaker 1: like he's maybe I think it was he went a
Speaker 1: year or two years without hitting it more than a
Speaker 1: seven iron into part four.
Speaker 2: I think that's right.
Speaker 1: You know, at this golf the reality is is that
Speaker 1: if he has a good week with his driver and wedges,
Speaker 1: he could go to this golf course and not carry
Speaker 1: a three, four and five iron and be fine. He
Speaker 1: would still have won this tournament. If he just went
Speaker 1: to the golf course with a driver and seven iron
Speaker 1: and below, he would have still won this week. And
Speaker 1: that's the problem with the men's game right now, is
Speaker 1: that it's just like that tennis analogy we talked about.
Speaker 1: It's serve volley, it's driver, wedge. It just if one
Speaker 1: of these power players has a good week with the
Speaker 1: driver and wedges, it's over.
Speaker 2: Let's do a little quote roulette. As we're talking about
Speaker 2: some of the problems with the game, maybe a little
Speaker 2: apathy around the playoffs, we'll do a little quote roulette.
Speaker 2: First up is Justin Thomas. He's broken sixty his quote.
Speaker 2: You know, after the scores on God, what was that Friday? Right,
Speaker 2: Scheffler fifty nine? DJ disappointing sixty right? I mean no,
Speaker 2: it's incredible score right.
Speaker 1: Incredibly eleven under through eleven.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable, you know, laid up on eighteen and parted a
Speaker 2: bunch on the back. I don't know. People were just
Speaker 2: he won by nine.
Speaker 1: He's up by nine right now, He's gonna win by
Speaker 1: between seven and ten shots or eleven shots on tour.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable, utterly unbelievable.
Speaker 2: So here's Justin Thomas. I still find if DJ, What
Speaker 2: if DJ doesn't win and we're pre recorded this, what
Speaker 2: do we do? Do we have an have to happen?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it'd make this pod that
Speaker 2: much better, you know, just talking like some idiots. What
Speaker 2: would have to happen.
Speaker 1: For that, he would have to like fall down the
Speaker 1: stairs or something.
Speaker 2: Well, that's happened before it can happen again.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I still think, here's Justin Thomas. I still think someone
Speaker 2: is going to shoot fifty six or fifty seven or
Speaker 2: fifty eight on tour, whether it's in the next couple
Speaker 2: of years or ten or fifteen. We're all getting so
Speaker 2: much better, and especially if you get a place like
Speaker 2: this with really good greens and it's soft. We're pretty
Speaker 2: good with our distance control and pretty good at golf
Speaker 2: to where if we get it rolling, who knows what
Speaker 2: can happen. Here's Justin Thomas earlier this week speaking, I
Speaker 2: don't know where I think in his press conference. It
Speaker 2: really bothers me when they say that the golf ball
Speaker 2: needs to be rolled back, because there's plenty of people
Speaker 2: that are still performing well that don't hit it as far.
Speaker 2: Length is not the answer, it's just helpful. You still
Speaker 2: got to get the ball in the hole. His last point,
Speaker 2: You still got to get the ball in the hole,
Speaker 2: like negates everything that comes for it, Like yeah, and
Speaker 2: hitting it three hundred and seventy five yards helps with
Speaker 2: that as opposed to two hundred and fifty or two
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty five or two hundred sex that's the
Speaker 2: point I think he doesn't get getting the ball in
Speaker 2: the hole. Yes, that's the overall point. Be able to everybody,
Speaker 2: every Tom Dick and Harry A camp Champ that can
Speaker 2: hit it three seventy five helps like that helps more
Speaker 2: people get the ball in the hole and shoot you know,
Speaker 2: kind of low scores maybe without their best game, right
Speaker 2: or you're seeing fifty six, fifty seven to fifty eight,
Speaker 2: because yes, the players are good and they're optimized and
Speaker 2: they're you know, better trained and more serious than ever
Speaker 2: who knows, I don't know, but that's part of it.
Speaker 2: But it's also it has to do with the ball
Speaker 2: going on well, that equipment sending the ball, making the
Speaker 2: seventy five hundred and seventy eight hundred yard course seem
Speaker 2: not that challenging.
Speaker 1: Shackelford had a great little blog post about about JT's
Speaker 1: quotes where he talked about he's like, you know, titleists
Speaker 1: and the manufacturers pay these guys millions of dollars and
Speaker 1: they don't even bring up that we have great equipment
Speaker 1: and these quotes, like he doesn't even mention, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have unbelievable equipment, you know, Yeah, that helps us
Speaker 1: do this, and that's undeniable. Okay, like the equipment level
Speaker 1: from this year compared to twenty years ago. These guys have,
Speaker 1: whether it's not just the clubs and the ball, it's
Speaker 1: the it's the track man, it's the all this stuff.
Speaker 1: But to just ignore that and say we're just so
Speaker 1: much better we are, you know, it's just utterly ridiculous,
Speaker 1: especially when this was the guy that was one of
Speaker 1: the most vocal about a center lined bunker on a
Speaker 1: hole on this golf course. That's just you'lding thirty under
Speaker 1: that he said it was a bad design. It was
Speaker 1: he didn't do a good job redesigning it. About Gil
Speaker 1: Hans's redesign where he put a central line bunker on
Speaker 1: a hole and everybody bitched, and he played it in
Speaker 1: another fairway to avoid it. And it's like that's actually
Speaker 1: doing something that's influencing the way these guys have to
Speaker 1: play the game and making it some of them actually
Speaker 1: have to think. And it's just a jt. He's a
Speaker 1: great player. It's fun to watch it when he gets on.
Speaker 1: It's fun to watch him play golf, but he regularly
Speaker 1: turns in some of the worst quotes, and it goes
Speaker 1: back to when he kicked the fan out for a
Speaker 1: simple you know, getting the bunker. It's just incredibly and
Speaker 1: I think some of this as just the PGA tour mentality.
Speaker 1: When you're twenty two and you get on tours, you
Speaker 1: have no perspective on what real life is.
Speaker 2: So well, someone who does has perspective, a little bit
Speaker 2: more perspective, a little bit of advance. Tiger Rory this
Speaker 2: year they've Tiger's to hear justice. I think he just
Speaker 2: gets too aggressive about it, being like it really bothers
Speaker 2: me when they say they got the ball, you know,
Speaker 2: like you don't need to act like, you know, like
Speaker 2: you've been insulted or affronted that someone said it, because
Speaker 2: you know who said it this year, Riviera Roy McElroy
Speaker 2: say bifurcation roll back. I don't know if you said
Speaker 2: bifurcation rolling back the ball. He came out and said
Speaker 2: it right away. Tiger many quotes you can find over
Speaker 2: the history of his career, as he got advanced, as
Speaker 2: he's seen what his talent is versus what these up
Speaker 2: and comers are said we should play by you know,
Speaker 2: bifurcation softball can use the metal bat, We'll use the
Speaker 2: wood bat. All these are guys with a little bit
Speaker 2: of perspective. Who's I guess they're quotes those quotes bother JT.
Speaker 2: They piss them off that he they have he has
Speaker 2: to hear about that from Tiger and Rory. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Do you think swamp creatures?
Speaker 1: Do you think it something I was thinking about along
Speaker 1: these lines. Do you think that there's any correlation possible?
Speaker 1: And this is just all just random thought, there's no evidence,
Speaker 1: statistical evidence. Do you think it's a coincidence that Rory
Speaker 1: hasn't won a major since twenty fourteen and we're the
Speaker 1: equipment has just become more and more forgiving since then.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's an impossible question to answer. I definitively,
Speaker 2: I think it's a mix of things. Is wandered in
Speaker 2: the wilderness mentally with putting with short with wedges, like,
Speaker 2: he's had different things come in. I don't know. He
Speaker 2: does pretty well on tour, He's won FedEx Cups multiple
Speaker 2: he's won Player of the Years. You know, it's hard
Speaker 2: to say definitively that that's why he hasn't won a major.
Speaker 1: I just wonder when you're the you know, one of
Speaker 1: the greatest drivers the golf ball of all time, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, equipment renders that skill less and less.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just mitigates. Yeah, it mitigates the
Speaker 1: guy that hits it really solid and really straight with anything,
Speaker 1: versus the guy that you know that high toe toe
Speaker 1: driver goes five yards is still straight. You know.
Speaker 2: JT falls in that category two, right, He's not like
Speaker 2: some scrub that's getting all the he's in the rory category.
Speaker 2: He's probably being hurt.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing I never understand about these guys.
Speaker 1: It's like a lot they I think it's like a
Speaker 1: sales guy. If you tell a sales guy, I'm changing
Speaker 1: your commission, their immediate reaction is that they're trying to
Speaker 1: take money away from me, you know, and it could
Speaker 1: be the greatest commission plan of all time for them,
Speaker 1: but their first gut reaction is going to be like,
Speaker 1: they're changing this to take money away from me. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what happens with these tour pros, is
Speaker 1: that you know, it's not about it's just we want
Speaker 1: to separate you know the best players, like I don't know.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of great guys out there. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of great players, but you just don't
Speaker 1: really know. There's you don't know sometimes who is and
Speaker 1: who isn't. Because the drivers now the easiest club to
Speaker 1: hit in the bag, and it used to be the
Speaker 1: hardest club to hit in the bag.
Speaker 2: Another quote quote Roulette, Tiger, you don't have the same
Speaker 2: type of energy. Guys aren't shooting as high of rounds
Speaker 2: as they normally would. That's Tiger, I'm gonna you know,
Speaker 2: paraphrase him now saying some of the advantage he has
Speaker 2: with crowds being there versus not being there is gone
Speaker 2: with no crowds because he's used to playing with people.
Speaker 2: He's used to the ambient, you know, ruckus. He's learned
Speaker 2: how to play with that for twenty five years or
Speaker 2: whatever it's been, you know, And he thinks guys are
Speaker 2: shooting lower because they don't have to deal with that,
Speaker 2: and some of his advantages have been wiped out by that.
Speaker 2: Interesting point.
Speaker 1: Rory had similar quote too, Do you have any Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it bleeds in well with it. We could
Speaker 1: talk about just the no fan thing.
Speaker 2: This is going to sound really bad, McElroy said, but
Speaker 2: I feel like the last few weeks, I've just been
Speaker 2: going through the motions. I want to get to an
Speaker 2: intensity and some sort of fire, but I just haven't
Speaker 2: been able to. Let's probably do with the atmosphere and
Speaker 2: probably do with how I'm playing. I'm not inspiring myself,
Speaker 2: and I'm definitely trying to get inspiration from outside sources
Speaker 2: to get something going on. I wonder who his outside
Speaker 2: sources are. Who you could have come in start yelling
Speaker 2: at him. You know, maybe he's like Roger Sloan, Bob
Speaker 2: Parsons come in start yelling at him about trying to
Speaker 2: get him pumped up by the time he was a
Speaker 2: numb or something. That could be the lack of family atmosphere.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Uh So, Anyways, the Rory's uninspired
Speaker 2: in the playoffs or with no fans this run the
Speaker 2: back on the return to Golf All Caps and Tigers,
Speaker 2: saying his advantage is being you know, taken away because
Speaker 2: guys are able to shoot lower scores. Guys are shooting
Speaker 2: as high rounds as they normally would.
Speaker 1: Lebron had similar quotes about the NBA bubble too, yeah,
Speaker 1: about how he's having trouble without fans, and it's it's
Speaker 1: interesting that you hear it. You're hearing this from some
Speaker 1: of the greatest players and their respective sports. I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, you should
Speaker 1: be able to win in any circumstance.
Speaker 2: Maybe an argument against the Andy Johnson campaign to fans
Speaker 2: from all golf professional golf with Tiger and roriors.
Speaker 1: Should distractions be overcoming the exterior distractions in the way
Speaker 1: of fans be a big part of you know, championship golf.
Speaker 1: Do you think I mean, if you think.
Speaker 2: That, no, no, no, But I think there is something
Speaker 2: to the energy perspective.
Speaker 1: I agree with that.
Speaker 2: If you're the best in the world and you've done that,
Speaker 2: you've won the biggest events in golf for say, I
Speaker 2: don't know Roy's case a decade or Tiger's case twenty years,
Speaker 2: and you do it with sort of this crescendo and
Speaker 2: energy around it when something good happens, that might you know,
Speaker 2: I think that matters, That the inspiration and energy part
Speaker 2: might matter.
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that this is the case, but
Speaker 1: look at the two major winners we've seen this year,
Speaker 1: both of them very very little major championship experience.
Speaker 2: You're talking about Maricle and pop Off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously, I think Markle is gonna be when Kelly
Speaker 1: forgot about that, I forgot about the about the no
Speaker 1: cut Major. Okay, he doesn't have a lot of champions
Speaker 1: Tour experience. He's only been out there for a couple
Speaker 1: of years.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: But you think about like pop Off and Mari Kawa
Speaker 1: there they were both you know, winners with very little
Speaker 1: experience in majors, And I would buy the coming down
Speaker 1: the stretch on a Sunday and a Major might be
Speaker 1: a little bit easier without fans if you're a young player. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't know where I stand on
Speaker 1: whether that should. You know, I think that you're still
Speaker 1: chasing history, you know, like all everything that nothing changed
Speaker 1: with what pop Off was going to accomplish today or
Speaker 1: more account and like what came with that, and keeping
Speaker 1: and keeping that out of her mind for you know,
Speaker 1: essentially all Night in eighteen holes is astonishing, and same
Speaker 1: with moreccout. I just I don't know how I what
Speaker 1: do you think about those quotes?
Speaker 2: I think I've already said yeah, I think it might matter.
Speaker 2: I think that they're accurate. I think it matters to
Speaker 2: the guys that are the best, that are used to
Speaker 2: it or have the most reps with it. Right, I
Speaker 2: think it does matter. I think it plays into it.
Speaker 2: But the question is how to compete in that arena
Speaker 2: and learning. That's how that is the professional competition at
Speaker 2: the highest level. This is all I've known my whole
Speaker 2: life and where I've succeeded, and it's it's a little
Speaker 2: different now. That's all. It's the arena. It's not necessarily
Speaker 2: I know, it's not the biggest factor. You still got
Speaker 2: to hit the ball and put in the hole, as
Speaker 2: JT would say. But I think there is something to
Speaker 2: it for the guys at the highest level.
Speaker 1: I don't. And here's where I struggle with it for
Speaker 1: those two is that neither of them have contended. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not like they came up short against somebody down
Speaker 1: the stretch and it mattered. These guys haven't been even
Speaker 1: close to Roy.
Speaker 2: A little bit of Colonial maybe, but that's it. I
Speaker 2: think he didn't he touch the leaderboard Colonial.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you're right, You're right.
Speaker 2: They've not been close.
Speaker 1: They haven't. It'd be something if they if these guys
Speaker 1: each had three top fives. You know Tiger's only played
Speaker 1: Let's just say Tiger has one top five even but
Speaker 1: like they haven't even been close to the to the lead.
Speaker 1: So like to a certain extent, you're just not hitting
Speaker 1: the shots. You're not playing well enough to be in contention.
Speaker 2: Last bit, anything else on Northern Trust, last one I
Speaker 2: got to get off his I made a joke on
Speaker 2: Wednesday preview show is smart and about how featured groups
Speaker 2: are gonna be by FedEx Cup ranking. Right, So everybody's
Speaker 2: and Ricky's eighty eight. So how's Ricky Tour Live? You
Speaker 2: know how they gonna get it, How they're gonna crow
Speaker 2: barrow him in. Well, they waited until the weekend. Ricky
Speaker 2: Tour Live always comes through. I got several messages about this,
Speaker 2: maybe even some from people at the tour that Ricky
Speaker 2: was featured groups PGA Tour Live on Sunday morning. Didn't
Speaker 2: have a chance in hell of making it. I think
Speaker 2: he's out of the FedEx Cup, I believe. But he
Speaker 2: got his last hurrah for Ricky Tour Live. They made him,
Speaker 2: they crow bared him in.
Speaker 1: Hey, the golf has restarted.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: DJ Pard seventeen he's on to eighteen here, so Ernie
Speaker 1: is safe, maybe maybe a tie with an eagle and
Speaker 1: BG Beach is not out of the woods yet though,
Speaker 1: because Harris English part seventeen. So they come down the
Speaker 1: stretch with Harry, Harry and DJ are are nine shots
Speaker 1: apart to pay I think we could see a Harry Birdie,
Speaker 1: DJ Eagle, DJ ties Ernie and Matt Remark's and takes
Speaker 1: down Beg's long standing last player to win by double digits.
Speaker 1: All right, other events this, Hey, can we talk about
Speaker 1: the playoffs for a little bit more?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course, it's just a yeah, it's playoff
Speaker 2: winning time fex Cup.
Speaker 1: I just let's go. I hate the playoffs. I hate
Speaker 1: the name.
Speaker 2: I hate you said you want to talk about him more.
Speaker 2: I knew something was.
Speaker 1: Hate the playoffs. I just I can't get over the name.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be called the playoffs. It's not a playoff.
Speaker 1: Not everybody's on the level playground.
Speaker 2: What do you mean? What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: No other sport.
Speaker 2: Because of the points, Yeah, but he starts a different spots.
Speaker 1: It's not a playoff. But if you tie, if you
Speaker 1: go to a playoff in a tournament, if Harris English
Speaker 1: made a negative nine on eighteen or whatever he needs
Speaker 1: to to to tie DJ. They go to a playoff.
Speaker 1: It's not like DJ was leading for seventy one holes,
Speaker 1: so he gets a seven shot lead. That's not the
Speaker 1: way a playoff works. A playoff is like, okay, we
Speaker 1: go out and we see who wins, and everybody starts
Speaker 1: from scratch, Like sure, there's like some advantage. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: whole court advantage is not the same. It's not like
Speaker 1: you get a game, you know, it's not like you
Speaker 1: get three games.
Speaker 2: It's there.
Speaker 1: So I pulled up some just famous playoff quotes, you know,
Speaker 1: I googled famous playoff quotes, you know, sports playoffs.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, what about track? What about swimming? Like if
Speaker 2: you get the best qualifying, you get like the faster
Speaker 2: lane or something, you get a.
Speaker 1: Better lane, but you don't get a head start.
Speaker 2: True, and then the other thing.
Speaker 1: They're commercial. They're stupid commercial.
Speaker 2: It makes it a little intense.
Speaker 1: Like let me let me tell you something. You can play.
Speaker 1: The slogan's like you got to play well in three weeks.
Speaker 1: You can play like complete dog shit in two weeks
Speaker 1: to still win.
Speaker 2: I agree, I know, I don't. Yeah, and there's like
Speaker 2: a major championship too, And while doing that, they're saying
Speaker 2: like those are only four rounds. This is you know,
Speaker 2: twelve or you know.
Speaker 1: It needs a new name. It's not playoffs. That's just
Speaker 1: what I'm I've gotten to the point. Whatever. You can
Speaker 1: keep your stupid format that sucks that nobody cares about.
Speaker 1: But you can't call it playoffs anymore because the playoffs
Speaker 1: are completely different. Okay, here's the play Carl Crawford, famous baseball.
Speaker 2: Player, or no, I'm thinking of? Who am I thinking of?
Speaker 1: Joey Crawford?
Speaker 2: No, no, Carl Crawford. Go ahead.
Speaker 1: Whatever happened in the regular season seems to not matter
Speaker 1: in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: You know what, the FedEx Cup, It really matters what
Speaker 1: happens in the in the regular season.
Speaker 2: I guess what about Billy horstel Ship in the regular
Speaker 2: season he won the Cup.
Speaker 1: I'm say, if there needs to be a clean slate
Speaker 1: if you make the playoffs, if it's if you wanted
Speaker 1: to be called the playoffs, it has to start from
Speaker 1: everybody has to start on the level ground. You could
Speaker 1: give somebody the advantage of better tea times that could
Speaker 1: be like your home court advantage. You get a better
Speaker 1: tea time. You know, you could pick who you play with,
Speaker 1: you know, but everybody's got to start from zero. That's
Speaker 1: that's a playoff, okay, all right here, here's your boy,
Speaker 1: your boy Lebron. It would be easier if I didn't
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, it would hurt less. But then I
Speaker 1: start thinking about how much fun it is. Do you
Speaker 1: think anybody cares about whether they make the playoffs or
Speaker 1: not other than the fact that their cards associated with that?
Speaker 2: Well that's what I Yeah, I think advancing, I think
Speaker 2: the analogy better. They don't care if they get out
Speaker 2: this like you think Phils like crying in his coffee
Speaker 2: today because he didn't get to go to Chicago. We'll
Speaker 2: talk about him in a minute. But like they were
Speaker 2: trying to dramatize Charlie Hoffman's approach into eighteen today, like, oh,
Speaker 2: he needs Eagle to advance. Like Charlie Hoffman, He's made
Speaker 2: a ton of money. He does not give a shit
Speaker 2: if he played only one event or not. All he
Speaker 2: would have cared about in a normal year was getting
Speaker 2: in right one twenty five. That's it. It's just yeah,
Speaker 2: Doc Chris Lebron loses first round, he doesn't get to advance.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, somebody kicked him in the nuts. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a little different feeling, Doc Rivers. I love the
Speaker 2: NBA playoffs. It's just a great mental test for each team.
Speaker 2: When it's really close, usually one team pulls together and
Speaker 2: the other team comes apart. Have we ever seeing somebody
Speaker 2: come apart in the under playoff pressure? Has that ever happened?
Speaker 2: And actually that brings me to another point. I want
Speaker 2: to bring up TPC Boston.
Speaker 1: It was great. You know, Northeast Northeast or wherever it
Speaker 1: is in Massachusetts has essentially been in like a drought
Speaker 1: all summer and it was like a pillow out there.
Speaker 2: And if you have all these stats about telling me
Speaker 2: all these parts of the country are in a drought
Speaker 2: all the time, and I don't know, I can't fast
Speaker 2: check you on the record on that, whatever your weather information.
Speaker 2: Everybody's always in the essentially in a drought. Ohio is
Speaker 2: in a drought. California like everybody's always in the drought
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: The best player won, right, okay, And everybody's yelling about
Speaker 1: at least set up if it's the playoffs, set it
Speaker 1: up hard.
Speaker 2: What do you Okay, Yeah, I know what.
Speaker 1: Is going on that? Like, you know, it's fine, Like
Speaker 1: DJ was gonna win regardless of what they but like,
Speaker 1: don't be afraid to push these guys a little. The playoff.
Speaker 1: That's like what makes playoff basketball or playoff baseball or
Speaker 1: any playoff great is that it's the it's harder than
Speaker 1: the regular season. It's more intense conditions.
Speaker 2: You see, Yeah, a file is not a file foul
Speaker 2: in the regular seasons, maybe not a file in the postseason.
Speaker 2: Or in baseball, you know, a pitcher has a leash
Speaker 2: that's two innings, or you know bullpen guys come in
Speaker 2: the third inning nowadays or fourth inning, like yeah, they're
Speaker 2: they're yeah, it's it's made more challenging, more intense. I
Speaker 2: get it. I guess what you're saying there.
Speaker 1: We're gonna see a record scoring performance and DJ would
Speaker 1: have won regardless the way he played. We played fantastically
Speaker 1: and really the golf courses job. But at least make
Speaker 1: it somewhat challenging. Don't make it a pillow.
Speaker 2: You think they can just by fur Yeah the pillow.
Speaker 2: You think they can make it a lot more challenging
Speaker 2: than it was. Yes, just like soft firmness.
Speaker 1: Okay, you want like playoffs the greatest player.
Speaker 2: Or what they're working with is what I'm asking, Like,
Speaker 2: how much more challenging can they make?
Speaker 1: The greatest playoff stories come from adversity. Right, It's whether
Speaker 1: whether Jordan could get past the Pistons after years of
Speaker 1: getting knocked out by them. It's whether Lebron can you know,
Speaker 1: switch teams and and go with his super friends to
Speaker 1: another title for right, you know it's.
Speaker 2: But your there's your first point. This isn't the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So that's my point. It's just not a player. It
Speaker 1: needs to change. They need to change their name to
Speaker 1: like the regular season coronation or the top the top
Speaker 1: player cash grab.
Speaker 2: The next cup. That's fine.
Speaker 1: I want him to cut it to fifty guys, you
Speaker 1: do match play or something. No, just cut it to fifty.
Speaker 1: Everybody in the top fifty has had a great season.
Speaker 1: They make the playoffs.
Speaker 2: What it would be your cuts per event going from
Speaker 2: one to BMW, what would you cut it from fifty to.
Speaker 1: Fifty to thirty six to sixteen and.
Speaker 2: Then sixteen is a matchplay?
Speaker 1: Maybe sixteen for all that giant pile of cash.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, you get you keep.
Speaker 1: Your card if you get get the one.
Speaker 2: To start in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: No, everybody starts from scratch, top fifty, everybody from scratch,
Speaker 1: and then you have a playoff. Nobody's arguing like number
Speaker 1: fifty has had a great year, you know, nobody's saying,
Speaker 1: oh you have. You don't deserve to be.
Speaker 2: Here, right right? Right?
Speaker 1: No. Like I was watching on Thursday or Friday and
Speaker 1: they showed Bo Hostler. I'm like, yeah, didn't know what
Speaker 1: his status was on to it.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I thought he had lost status. I don't
Speaker 2: think he's in like any majors, right.
Speaker 1: I don't. He's in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Right, that's a good that's that's not a yeah. That's
Speaker 2: a good exhibit against this being Ultimate August or whatever
Speaker 2: it is, anything else from the Northern Trust.
Speaker 1: No, say anymore. I'm done.
Speaker 2: We've got two more weeks.
Speaker 1: I want to be more positive.
Speaker 2: You know, we got two more weeks. We've got two
Speaker 2: more weeks.
Speaker 1: They're in my backyard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be a fields. We'll talk about that on Wednesday.
Speaker 2: We got to talk about Daniel Berger. We're at fifty
Speaker 2: five minutes or something. We can talk about him on Wednesday.
Speaker 2: That's not changing. I love it. I'm amused by it.
Speaker 2: It makes no sense, but that you know, I kind
Speaker 2: of enjoy it. Other winners this week on the Bye
Speaker 2: dot Com Tour at the Nationwide Children's Hospital Championship. Looks
Speaker 2: like Curtis Luck escapes with the one shot win over
Speaker 2: Theo Humphrey, Taylor Montgomery and Cameron Young.
Speaker 1: That was a great finish.
Speaker 2: Former US Amateur winner, Congrats to Curtis Luck on the
Speaker 2: European Tour on the Manor Swing the coffee pot.
Speaker 1: Did you see the end of that tournament of the KFT. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love Cameron Young is going to be a very
Speaker 1: very great player. Curtis Luck had like one seventy into eighteen.
Speaker 1: Cameron Young had forty five yards. Oh god, it's four
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty yard hold.
Speaker 2: Another edition to the Cameron Zone. Excited about that.
Speaker 1: Hopefully he gets it would be cool story. They have
Speaker 1: that one thing that's kind of cool. It's kind of
Speaker 1: actually like a playoff system. Everybody started from zero. The
Speaker 1: top ten or top I think it's top five of
Speaker 1: the the what would have been Web Finals gets the
Speaker 1: US Open Birth and I guess what everybody started from zero,
Speaker 1: because that's.
Speaker 2: Great a playoff system, adding steaks, adding some sort of
Speaker 2: steaks right.
Speaker 1: Where everybody starts from zero, right right right?
Speaker 2: Uh, last, but not least, the whales open. Sorry, we're
Speaker 2: giving a short shrift. It was just happened earlier this morning.
Speaker 2: Uh we have.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for this pronunciation.
Speaker 2: Someone who I originally Romain legs q. I'm told it's
Speaker 2: lang Esk. We had someone from across the pond just
Speaker 2: submitted pronunciation. Guy that someone who played with Romayne, who
Speaker 2: might not be right. That pronunciation might not be right
Speaker 2: as in juniors. Let me get this up. I gotta
Speaker 2: do that again. Lengus. He's French. His name's Greg war Greg.
Speaker 2: He's sending me the pronunciation. I think he's got to
Speaker 2: have it right if that's he played with them. Roman
Speaker 2: langask amateur went, former British amateur winner, made the cut
Speaker 2: of the Open, made the cut of the Masters. After
Speaker 2: doing that like a young stud, youngish, you know, unsurprising
Speaker 2: to see him win on the European.
Speaker 1: I hope he has the patented, you know, seemingly patented
Speaker 1: French personality. I hope he's Yeah, I do the song
Speaker 1: that's what I'm most interested. I don't know enough I've
Speaker 1: I've always been. I've followed him since that British sham
Speaker 1: when he played in the Masters and everything. I've been
Speaker 1: kind of like fallen to see he got up through
Speaker 1: the Challenge Tour. It hasn't been like a perfect assent,
Speaker 1: but he's still got to be twenty four to twenty
Speaker 1: five years old. I haven't looked into exactly his age,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I hope he's just cut from that same
Speaker 1: French golfer cloth that we've got so many greats from.
Speaker 2: It's fantastic, it's good. Look. Congrats to him. He beats
Speaker 2: out Sammy Vaalamaki who won the Musk. Out of that,
Speaker 2: I know another young up and comer. Uh last, but
Speaker 2: not least little bit of news. I think that's all
Speaker 2: our results from the weekend. We have Phil playing on
Speaker 2: Monday on the Champions Tour on Top of the Rock.
Speaker 1: Didn't he say you never was gonna play?
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. I don't know. Can I reach you some
Speaker 2: tea times?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Tell you like this is like.
Speaker 1: A preview we were previewing the Champions to her Top
Speaker 1: of the Rock.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say, like, if this wasn't at top
Speaker 2: of the rock where there's Buffalo's room and you gotta
Speaker 2: take a cart to just make your way from to
Speaker 2: get through it standing upright, I'd be into this. Listen
Speaker 2: to these groups. VJ Lonner, Darren Clark. Okay, not so
Speaker 2: much that one, but I.
Speaker 1: Like Darren Clark. Who doesn't like watching Darren Clark.
Speaker 2: Much of a player anymore.
Speaker 1: He ripped heaters on the course though he's got He's
Speaker 1: got more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he needs to get on the Monty plane. Then
Speaker 2: here's Phil's parent, goosen Stricker and Phil they were on
Speaker 2: some sort of legitimate venue would be interesting to watch.
Speaker 2: Then behind them Ernie d l three and Jerry Kelly
Speaker 2: wouldn't be a horrible Monday watch, right, some of the
Speaker 2: those names are VJ, Phil, Ernie Davis Ratief.
Speaker 1: Like, I wonder if they like appearance fees down there.
Speaker 1: Get all the people to Branton. That's a good point.
Speaker 1: Johnny Morris bass pro shops. Guy's got some deep pockets.
Speaker 1: Oh guess what.
Speaker 2: I think you're onto something here. I think you're onto
Speaker 2: something here. Why Phil's dropped into the Ozarks in the
Speaker 2: middle of the week and playing champions tour. I don't wanna,
Speaker 2: I don't wanna. I don't want to say anything that
Speaker 2: I don't know for sure. But this is a guy
Speaker 2: who cuts his thumb on the scale, puts his thumb
Speaker 2: on the ATM machine and could probably make that happen.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Breaking news. Yeah, Ernie's safe, Yes, yes, fantastic. I'm waiting
Speaker 1: what happened you finished twenty nine? Oh? DJ has a
Speaker 1: putt two from about five feet to tie beg Vegi's
Speaker 1: uh rain could be over. Oh, no, four footer to
Speaker 1: tie beg to win by ten.
Speaker 2: I cannot find if this Charles Schwabs series at Ozarks National.
Speaker 2: I cannot tell if it's on TV. Won't assume given
Speaker 2: the Monday start it will be on TV, but you'll
Speaker 2: have to google that for yourselves.
Speaker 1: So I won't be watching that even with that star power.
Speaker 2: All right, Shane Birch, I think won the first one
Speaker 2: Friday night, just to give him his due. Okay, anything else?
Speaker 2: You good? Any other recaps? Weekend thoughts we get into it.
Speaker 2: You're waiting for DJ to make this five footer?
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm I'm Harris English might make Bogey though
Speaker 1: he might just give it to him. Oh no, he
Speaker 1: must he made Bogey. He's gonna win by eleven. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, he's gonna smash Beche's he's gonna make Beche's accomplishment.
Speaker 2: Look, look, I wonder if faris English has some sort
Speaker 2: of Brian Gay and tipathy. Oh he's a he's a
Speaker 2: Georgia boy. He probably hates so it doesn't want to
Speaker 2: see the guy.
Speaker 1: That's it. And he's still finished. Second. He had he
Speaker 1: could make Bogue, he'd finish second. I think there's something
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 2: I should look into this. Do you take a dive?
Speaker 1: DJ wins by eleven?
Speaker 2: Unbelievable, ridiculous, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: That's disrespected Brian Gaze when all right.
Speaker 2: That's it. Everyone enjoy your Mondays.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, playoffs continue to roll on despite what.
Speaker 1: I mean. There's gonna be the DJ stopper, like the
Speaker 1: Boo stopper, I.
Speaker 2: Mean probably himself. It's gonna slip and fall on the stairs.
Speaker 2: I don't know that's as likely as anything else. So
Speaker 2: all right, and you're good. Final parting thoughts. I'm good
Speaker 2: to have you back. You may not be. It may
Speaker 2: be jumping in and out, so it's good to have
Speaker 2: you back. Everyone, Enjoy your Mondays and we will be
Speaker 2: back with you Wednesday for more hot playoff action, not
Speaker 2: playoffs