1 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, four 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: team year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Anius Williams. Well, 4 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. Uh Nis wings here 5 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: hanging out with some guys. It's just a podcast where 6 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: we just have a conversation. We want legends former players 7 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: to just be able to tune in and learn from 8 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: each other stories. One of the guys I saw play 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: with the Giants a long time, Bart Oates, no relations 10 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: to Hall and Oates and Bart you played nine how 11 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: many years, I'm sorry, and starting to starting the usflus 12 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: so Bart play when he had leather helmets. So we're 13 00:00:55,160 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: talking about alright. And also here Tony Richardson. Tony played 14 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: for a hundred years in National Football League, actually seventy years, 15 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: and and his teammate eleven years. You guys played together, 16 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: but will will Shields played uh fourteen years eleven and 17 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: Tony you were blocking and blocking full back. And we'll 18 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: talk about healthy living later on, because these guys look 19 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: real small. You guys don't look anything like when you played. 20 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: And we'll talk about that little a little later. Then 21 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: we got the great our money tumor. Every time I 22 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: think every time I call your name, I think of clothing, 23 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: cologne or something like that, and then I think about 24 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: man when he caught passes, when he gave cornerbacks tumors. 25 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: So that's a great way of remember. So what we're 26 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: doing once a young guys, it's just a conversation. It's 27 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: what we missed about the locker room. And we're gonna 28 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: talk about structure. We'll talk about health and all those 29 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: things because their challenges. A lot of times as athletes, 30 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: we were in structure. And now I want to just 31 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: open up. Started off, what's it like being outside of 32 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: structure where you don't have that agenda, You don't have 33 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: the strength coach, you don't have your nutritionness at least 34 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: the team not paying for it will come on. Man, 35 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: I they told me you lost seventy pounds. Man, that's 36 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: a missing person. Well you know, and that's and that's 37 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: part of it. It's the discipline structure that you've had 38 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: from day one. Is not only from you know, playing 39 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: in the pros. You had it in college and in 40 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: high school and everything else. You had your dues and 41 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: don't and so Once you get out, you're trying to 42 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: find out how do I how do I get myself 43 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: motivated that next morning? What do I do? How do 44 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: I find out what I want to do next. There's 45 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: not a lot of us that have that pre notion 46 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: plan of when I retire, I'm gonna go and fall 47 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: into whatever is next. Most of the time we say 48 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: most people retire, they're gonna go, I'm gonna go play golf, 49 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do all those leisure things. And I 50 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: was like, Yetta, realize, we're thirty five years old or 51 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: less when we retire from our first sport. So now 52 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: it's time for us to sort of reap reap purpose 53 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: or refocus that onto what's next. And that's part of 54 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: that is finding out what is next. And so when 55 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: you sit around and you know you live in Kansas City, 56 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: you have all the barbecue and everything else, and that's 57 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: what you're used to doing, and you used to eat 58 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: as much as you are because you worked out the same. 59 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: But then your body starts telling you different things that's 60 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: not you know, cohesive to what you to what you 61 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: want to be and how you want to be our minna, 62 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 1: So you're shaking your head and even laughing as you 63 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: listen to Will because when you talk we started talking 64 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: about how when you get done playing, you your thoughts 65 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: of what retirement is gonna be like. And I remember thinking, 66 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm gonna get fat, I'm never gonna sweat again. 67 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sit back and just enjoy it, because 68 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: I thought because I was playing and I was eating 69 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: so much that you know, when I was younger, I 70 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: had to work to keep my weight on. But as 71 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: your metabolism changes as you get older, everything starts to 72 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: slow down and you really have to work at it, 73 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: and you have to. It has to be a cognizant thing. 74 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: Every time you sit down to eat, every time you 75 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: sit on the couch for a day or something like that, 76 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: you gotta say, hey, look, you know this is I'm 77 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: gonna pay for this later on. I gotta burn these 78 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: calories that I would ordinarily burn playing football. And um, 79 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: I remember when I first stepped on the scale after 80 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: I got done playing, I was like, I played it 81 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: like two oh eight and I was to forty something 82 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: and I was like, that's the first time you got 83 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: in the skille. After week I was that was about 84 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: that was about six six six months afterwards. All right, 85 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: but that but that says an important thing though, right, 86 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: I mean, that's one of the things you need to do. 87 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: You need to keep because you knew you were gaining weight. 88 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: I did know, but I was like, it's just maybe 89 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: the must listen maybe you know, but that's but that's 90 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: part of it. You know. You gotta just you can't 91 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: just let it go. No, you know that's what we 92 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: tend to do. I want to get back to real 93 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: quick or money. You thought of just the opposite, like 94 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: you said, up to get fat. I'm not gonna sweat. 95 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: Did you hear that counter or whatever. I'm not gonna 96 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: you know, this is a person just bought a gym, 97 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna really touch another way un once 98 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: I'm moving it for somebody you just retired of did 99 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: the structure and and okay, I've been doing this. I've 100 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: been doing I was thirty five, I've been doing it 101 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: for a long time. My body was really beat up, 102 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: so I wanted to take a little time to rest, 103 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: and I thought, why what am I gonna get back 104 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: into shape for. I'm not gonna do anything. And I 105 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: just remember listen to Chris Webber as a basketball player, 106 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: played in Michigan, and he said that, you know, when 107 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: he got done, he was gonna he wanted to get fat. 108 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know what, that might be cool, 109 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: like fat, you know what I mean? Yeah, And then 110 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: like you know, you actually start feeling what you know 111 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: everybody else was telling you about being overweight, you know, 112 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: back starts heard and out of breath, you know you 113 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: you know, and I couldn't lift up you know, my 114 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: lifting up your kids. He's like, whoa, yea, you know, 115 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: you're getting tired really easy. And those are the types 116 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: of things that were affecting your lifestyle. You don't really 117 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 1: know how much benefits you were actually getting because you 118 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: were always in good shape. So that's one of the 119 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: things that made me want to start to do something 120 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: and change my lifestyle. You know, I lost I mean 121 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: like not as much as will lost, but I lost 122 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: a lot of weight. Um, how much do you think 123 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: you lost? It was to nine to twenty now and maintain. 124 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: But you know the thing I do, I wait, I wait. 125 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: I got a scale at least three or four times 126 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: a week just to it's accountability. You see that number, man, 127 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: you can't don't lie. And that's why because when you 128 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: said to our mind and you said, man, you you 129 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: had to have seen that way coming on. You don't 130 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: always see, you don't. But if you know, you know, 131 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: you know what's going on, not necessarily because you mentally 132 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: think about it. That's saying I'm done, I'm relaxed, I'm 133 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: doing this and doing that. Then you hear all the 134 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: stories and just assume that your body is supposed to 135 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: be like everybody else's body. My knees hurt, my back hurt, 136 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: I'm walking down the stairs side ways. You see all 137 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: the shows and you're going, well, I'm supposed to be 138 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: that way, right, You're not necessarily go I could fight it. 139 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: And the part I love is what you've interjected is 140 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: you put a measurable on it by you getting on 141 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: the scale. That's one of the things to remind the 142 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: guys because also out of shape, it's still better than 143 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: the person. The person. So I'm glad you. But but 144 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: as you get right, I mean, what what you will 145 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: find because I think I'm moldering. All you guys been around, 146 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: you'll find that it catches up really quick that regardless 147 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: of how long you played the guarss your position, guards 148 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: how you feel the day it's going to catch up to. 149 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: It's imperative to do it early. You know, when you 150 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: get out of the game and your twenties even you know, 151 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: I mean most of you. You say, well thirty five, 152 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: I mean, guys done with this game before their thirty exactly. Well, 153 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: I was just, yeah, there's a few of us, a 154 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: few lucky guys who get good to play into the thirties, right, 155 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: But I mean you've got you know, the thing I 156 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: noticed for myself for anyway, So a thirty semi retired 157 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: I've never made a doctor's appointment. I never filled out 158 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: in the insurance for him, because we don't have to. 159 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: We go to a doctor's office and they take us 160 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: in the back too, and the doctor stops what he's 161 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: doing to come see you. You know, that's that's your 162 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: that was your introduction, you know. So I'd gone to 163 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: law school. I'm I'm you know, I'm practicing an attorney, 164 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: and I'd never even I was so illiterate when came 165 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: to the medical world. Somebody asked me, what do you 166 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: have a primary care? I go, what what does that mean? 167 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: I go? You know, if you have a problem. I go, 168 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: you know, I'll call Ronnie Barnes, a trainer. Ronnie even 169 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: calls up the diegest Is and I go right in. 170 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: They go, well, when can Mr Roads be here? That? 171 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: And I guess what that that's gone. And so you 172 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: have to have that. You're right, you have to create 173 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: this and you know, think about it and have some input. 174 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: What did you mean when you say to catch up 175 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: with you? I heard you mentioned your listen. You just 176 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: and there's a few exceptions out there, but the vast 177 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: majority of guys, just high school and college gently just 178 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: beat you up. I don't care if you play one year, 179 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: one preseason game, if you play fifteen seventeen years, your 180 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: body's gonna catch up to eventually. I think, you know, 181 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: I kind of look at my story. Mine was a 182 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: little different. And the reason why I never really wanted 183 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: to get on the scale because when I played, I 184 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: was two forty, soaking wet, and then you were to 185 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: forty pounds. But the funny thing about it, because you know, 186 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: you always judge. You know some guys who come to 187 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: training camp overweight, well they used to. They still want 188 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: to find me because I was underweight. And so we'll 189 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: attest every single year. I mean I was an undrafted 190 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: free agents, so I didn't have the same luxury of 191 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 1: say a Tony Gonzala is the first round draft choice, 192 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: you know, could come in and whatever, wait and whatever. 193 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: It's like for me, they were always, I mean every 194 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: year that I was on the roster with the Chiefs, 195 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: they were always bringing someone else on the Wednesday or 196 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: Thursday night. I would have to go pound like steaks 197 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: and chicken. And because every I mean I literally take 198 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: like a two and a half pound weight and try 199 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: to put it in my pocket so they could so 200 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: I can make weight. Because they felt like I couldn't 201 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: do my job. Even though I was having success and 202 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: doing things effectively, they still looked at me like I 203 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: was undersized and everything. No serious, nobody's relating to you 204 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: right now, so nobody even test Like. I would always 205 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: go work out on Tuesdays because Tuesday and where are 206 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: our structure was in Kansas City, Um where I wait 207 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: when it was you can see the glass, and they 208 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: had to they had to work at the trials out there. 209 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: So every Tuesday I'd go working out. I'm over the squad, 210 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, damn. He looked like he might be a 211 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: fool bag. I mean this was every single Tuesday. So 212 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: for me, when I finished, I was like, I'm tired 213 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: of I got tired of like having to be judged 214 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: that I'm too light or they got to bring someone 215 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: else in. For seventeen years, I looked over my shoulder 216 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: because there was somebody always trying to replace me, and 217 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: I had to be big enough. So for me, and 218 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: the structure part was never a challenge for me because 219 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: my dad was a military man of thirty plus years. 220 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: So that structure, I mean you we can go to 221 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: my apartment now, it's color coordinated sock shoes, I mean 222 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: right now, and I you know, bed made, like everything's 223 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: in place, that part of just the other but just 224 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: the other people listening to this. So no, because you 225 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: and I've been around it out with the Legis community, 226 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: you've always been I've said, man, this guy seemed to 227 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: always have it in order from outfitting everything. See, when 228 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: I left the game, the structure from the workout part 229 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: was never a challenge. But I think I allowed just 230 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: like that period of just like you know, you're gonna 231 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: just drift off because I always I love working out. 232 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: I love you know, Tom and I we ride together. 233 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: You know, I go do a marathon. I haven't done 234 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: one yet. I've done a few halfs. He has done 235 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: a fool So the workout part is never fine. But 236 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 1: I think that sometimes just that idle mind. And we 237 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: talked about like the out of mind and Bible says 238 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: a dangerous mind. I think that year and a half 239 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: for me, I had to kind of like just get 240 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: back on track with just like not letting the out 241 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: of mind get away. Usually most of the guys are 242 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: eating their way to stay that weight or doesn't know 243 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: the difference. And I was one of those guys that 244 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: just assume my dad was a big guy, Like you know, 245 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: everybody in my family is a big guy, so I'm 246 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: supposed to be a big guy, and so I just 247 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: ate accordingly instead of understanding that your food is the 248 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: most important piece to your body and once you feed 249 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: it the right way, it will drop down there. I 250 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: call it my walking weight. So I said, look, I'm 251 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: gonna fall down to whatever my walking weight should be. 252 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: And that's sort of what the food had sort of 253 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 1: brought me to. Does it change you mentioned part of 254 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: this already. Does it change? Did you feel differently at 255 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: holding you will, was there a difference feeling at forty 256 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 1: fifty because I remember talking to Eric Nicholson. He said, oh, man, 257 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: wait till you get to your fifty. You hear that 258 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: you mentioned something earlier on about this transition that you 259 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: went through, and it's fairly recently. Seventy pounds diabetes and 260 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: then seeing the lineage in your family, Well you're talking 261 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: about it started because I was in pain. I mean 262 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: I was in pain every day. I mean my knees hurt, 263 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: my back hurt. I something was going on. I didn't 264 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: know what was going on with my body, and everything 265 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: was in disarray, and I was like, well, what what 266 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: do I do about it? So you go to the doctor, 267 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: they do the test and they say, well you have 268 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: you know, pre diabetes. And then you go back again. 269 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: Did you go guess what that diabetes is creeping up? 270 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: Did you change your diet again? So you keep changing 271 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: your diet to try to fix it and figure out 272 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: what's going on. So then you go from this one 273 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: to that one, to that one to this one. And 274 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: so then the last time he was, so you know 275 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: what you're at like ten point seven, I've got you 276 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: on all the at Foreman and Lazar Tan and everything 277 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: else that you can take. We're gonna have to go 278 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: to insulin. And I go, whoa, wait a minute, we're 279 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: gonna fix this. I was like, wait, but whatever you 280 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: tell me, I gotta figure this out and fix it. 281 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: So then I started doing research. But before that, I 282 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: had to figure out how could I be the best 283 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: me I could be? And so I had to figure out, Okay, 284 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: how do I make my joints better? How do I 285 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: make my body feel better? And then I gotta actually 286 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: tell my family, Look, this is what I'm gonna do, 287 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: and this is how I'm gonna do it. So I 288 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: found a couple of great books that actually helped help 289 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: me sort of start doing research on it. And then 290 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: the next week he says, you're gonna go to the dietitian. 291 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: So I'd already started this book the week before, and 292 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: I started this diet or eating regiment of the way 293 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: I was gonna eat. And I call it it's a 294 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: plant base eating, you know regiment. You can still have fish, 295 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: your chicken, that kind of thing, but I cut out 296 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: a pretty much all the red meat. I just basically 297 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: go fisher chicken. And most people look at me like 298 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: I'm crazy. When I say I have six ounces of 299 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: Fisher chicken a week and that's it and they go 300 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: a week is sort of crazy. But I had to 301 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: go to that extreme because I wanted to fix my issue. 302 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to find out what was going on and 303 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: how I could fix it. So I did the research, 304 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: sat there and listen to my dietitian tell me all 305 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: these things about, hey, protein is good for you. You You 306 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: can eat meat as long as it's lean meat. You 307 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: can do this, as long as you do this, And 308 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: I'm looking at You're gonna look what about micronutrients? How 309 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: does that help my body? You're talking macros, I'm talking micro's. 310 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: And why are you trying to sell me on this 311 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: bigger piece. I've been on it for a week. I've 312 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: dropped seven pounds already, plus my numbers already coming down 313 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: because I start checking my blood three and four and 314 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: five times a day after I ate every two hours 315 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: to make sure. I wanted to find out. So I 316 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: went scientifically on it too and said, look, I'm gonna 317 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: figure this out. I'm gonna fix this. So then I 318 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: start checking my blood, figuring out what food was doing 319 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: to me, and everything else. So then I told her, 320 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: I said. My wife looked at me, she goes, so, 321 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: are you gonna do what you're doing? You're gonna do 322 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: what she's gonna tell you. I said, I'm gonna keep 323 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: doing what I'm doing right now because I see my 324 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: numbers are dropping crazy, and then if it doesn't work, 325 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: then I'll do what she wants me to do. Two weeks, 326 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: did you miss it? I mean, if you're three fifteen, 327 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: or you said told me earlier you like food. I do. 328 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: I like food, but I don't love food. And from 329 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: my body, I was to the point I was gonna 330 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: do whatever's gonna save my body. It was fear. Fear 331 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: is a good motivation, and it's not even a fear. 332 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: It was more or less me as being a military 333 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: child to anger. I wanted to figure it out. I 334 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: wanted to fix it. That's like if somebody tells me 335 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: I can't block you, I'm going to figure out the 336 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: way to block you. I'm gonna figure out the way 337 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: to fix it. That's actually interesting point you said, you said, 338 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: you said you had to take a step back and 339 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: say I want to be the best me that I 340 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: can be. In your NFL Hall of Famer. You figured 341 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: out it's not like you just had a crew. You had, 342 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: but then you had to step back my Hall of 343 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: Fame career and say I need to be the best 344 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: I can be. That's that whole whole difference, you know, 345 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: And it's a whole different monthset. So I went there 346 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: and I said, Okay, I'm gonna do this. So and 347 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: after week two, I basically had to take myself off 348 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: of my medication because my body had already started transitioning 349 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: to a point where it was controlling itself. It's already 350 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: two weeks into it. I had to cut my medicines 351 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: in half because my blood was telling me if I 352 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: did it, I would go into Keytosa's at night, so 353 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: I'd have been too low. So the food was already 354 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: doing what it's supposed to do, and so I'm going 355 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: this is it. The first thing anybody is listening to this, 356 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: we can do it. That's one of things is to 357 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: just realize you can do it. Because of what we've 358 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: already you don't nobody else is going to correct. But 359 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: it's also hearing it because sometimes it's still hear And 360 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: remember now when we disperse, one of the way this 361 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: guys deal with the transition from the game is to 362 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: get away from it. You guys ne teammates that like, 363 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to bet it versus when you now 364 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: hear this podcast. That's one of the reason to do 365 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: a podcast because these are really emotions, right. So when 366 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: you guys talk, the first thing I want every legend 367 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: two here is you can literally do this. So it 368 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: goes back to sometimes being reminded by a teammate or 369 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: former players. Man, you can literally do this, and you 370 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 1: ask me that question about how do you do it? 371 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: If you you still want me, you still how do 372 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: you do it? With the cravings and everything else we do. 373 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: We call it weaning off slowly, and so we say 374 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: instead of going you gotta change your mindset and you 375 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: can't look at you know, when you think of a meal, 376 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 1: you say steak first, and then from that, what are 377 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: the sides? You have to reverse that and go I'm 378 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: gonna have a salad and my side might be four 379 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: ounces of this or two ounces of that for flavoring, 380 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: and then you go and we go the other way. 381 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: But that's just the mindset and that's okay. But the 382 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: other thing is, so like you said, how do you 383 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: do it? Slowly? You say, okay, start off with something 384 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: simple as meatless mondays. So instead of having meat on monthly, 385 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: you just started with one day a week that you're 386 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: not gonna have one day. One day you're gonna be 387 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: That's important because not everybody. So it's not everybody's prepared 388 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: to go, Hey, I'm at three fifteen, I got I'm 389 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: gonna I'm a risk of going and in some diabetes, 390 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: I gotta do something that's dramatic. Not everybody's like that's 391 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: that's a very small subs. A lot of our guys don't. 392 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: We don't go to the doctor. And that's the thing 393 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: I'm making. Yeah, one of the things. Yeah, because he's like, oh, 394 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: I eate four rounds and I'm like, man, I don't 395 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: eat like that, Like I don't like, look at I 396 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: grabbed some food and you know, you eat it. But 397 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: I just how do you know how many ounces are there? 398 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: How do you measure it? Do you I don't know? 399 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: Do you have? You know? The question is what things 400 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: do you have? It might not surface until you're fifty 401 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: or sixty of what you're you've been doing to your 402 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: body for the last thirty years. Because your body's fighting it. 403 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: It's that's his job. It's gonna fight it as long 404 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: as it can until it gets tired. And then once 405 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: it gets tired, it'll start telling you with little signs 406 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: of oh my knee is a little sword today, I 407 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: don't know why my back is this. Uh, you know, 408 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: little signs start to tell you. They call the whispers, 409 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: actually tell you what your body is gonna end up 410 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: doing five to ten years down the road. And yeah, 411 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: you don't have those whispers yet, so you can enjoy it. 412 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: Like they said, the young kids can do anything they 413 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: want to do. It still feel good in the morning. 414 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: The rest of us, as we get older, we can't 415 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: do half the things they do because your body can't 416 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: adapt to it. And that's what we're trying to re teach. 417 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: And so most people look at me, say how good 418 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: do you feel? I said, I feel just as good 419 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: as I did in high school. I can run like 420 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: I did in high school. And I said, that's all 421 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: I can tell you. You know, it's a euphoria. And 422 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: once you get to that point and you feel that 423 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: good about yourself, then you understand if you try two 424 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: weeks and you go, wow, I feel great for two 425 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: weeks and then you fall off the wagon. Then you 426 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: know what it feels like on the other side, and 427 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: you're like, well, do I want to feel like this 428 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: every day? Or I remember those two weeks I felt 429 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: really good. So part of it is you mentioned it earlier, 430 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: is talking about that annual check up. That's something that 431 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: men void for whatever reason. I am, well, we don't 432 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: want what is right. We never had to do that 433 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,239 Speaker 1: because when we did physicals, doctors were waiting for us 434 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: at right at the at the training facility and you 435 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: got your physical well they you know, they were waiting 436 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: for you to do it. So you don't have that 437 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 1: support system anymore. And so now you have to kind 438 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: of create this this whole support system. And here's what 439 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: I need to do. When when do you go get 440 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: your checkups? And what are you supposed to look for? 441 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: I think I think in general because women they you know, 442 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: they feel so they go to the doctor. I think 443 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: men women have a women doctor. Well, I'm just saying 444 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: we don't have We don't We don't want to know 445 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: the information on the back end. We want you do 446 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: you want to walk into the doctor and here that 447 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,239 Speaker 1: that something's not going right or you kind of We've 448 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: always been able to, like Will said, we've always been 449 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: able to we don't feel right, Oh my shoulders are 450 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: you know? I can do some shoulder raisers. So we've 451 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: always been in the fixed problems. And sometimes when our 452 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: body starts talking to us, we feel like, okay, maybe 453 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: I should just cut back on here, and we don't 454 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: want to see what the doctor actually say. Unfortunately, my 455 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: brother just got diagnosed with pincer at a cancer and 456 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: we just called it soon enough and thank went to 457 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: the doctor. But unfortunately losing people now because if you 458 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: catch it earlier enough, you're good. But a lot of 459 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: men we just don't go to the doctor. Yeah, And 460 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: so part of it is created the culture where we 461 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: make it, make it it's it's cool to go to 462 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: the doctor. Because when I go and get the annual 463 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: check up, one of the things when you mention, your 464 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: body will start showing signs. But it shows signs first 465 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: in the blood. So when the blood work is done, 466 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: all of those measurables that you cannot see and you 467 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: may not even have any symptoms yet, you'll get the 468 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: warnings with these checks. Getting the right test done too. 469 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: Not all you have to knowledge. You know, well, you 470 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: said you said you went to books, right, So but 471 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: it's about getting knowledge. It's about understanding what you need 472 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: to do. And then you don't have to know everything. 473 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: But you got to start somewhere to be proactive. You 474 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: can't just leave your wellness and your health to somebody else. 475 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: I look at it as I had a team of 476 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: doctors when I was playing. Why not have a team 477 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: of doctors when I'm not playing? Because my body is 478 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: just important now as it was then and when you 479 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: got And yet we don't look at it that way. 480 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: I'm done playing, so now I don't need to worry 481 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: about my body as much. And so that's that I 482 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: think a lot of players think, well, I've been done playing, 483 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna get hurt anymore, so I don't 484 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: have to worry about it. Because most people, when you're 485 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: in the league, you only go to the doctor to 486 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: fix something's going to fix an injury to this. Otherwise 487 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: you would never go to the the doctor. And that's what 488 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: those guys you get in the NFL are kind of 489 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: tip of the spear from a from a genetic athletic standpoint, 490 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: I mean the best because you've kind of gone through 491 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: high school, college, now the NFL, so it takes longer 492 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: for you to get to that point where your body 493 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: is really saying, hey, it's starting to rebel. Well tonya 494 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: tell you. It's been one of those weird guys. Even 495 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: when I played, So I got to play fourteen years 496 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: and I never missed a game. So in doing that, 497 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: I've always had those doctors that I've always relied on 498 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: just send me over the other doctors, and so the 499 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: freak of nature kind of saying, hey, you got this issue. 500 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: You need to go see this guy, that guy, this guy, 501 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: and that guy to try to figure it out. And 502 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: we need to have that same sort of mindset when 503 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: we're not the one thing I want to talk about 504 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: was there's something there. There's a period there where I 505 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: after I got done playing, where I saw myself getting 506 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: out of shape, and I was like, you know what, 507 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: I gotta do something. So I want to go to 508 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: a gym. And you go to the gym and you realize, Man, 509 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: every time I went to the gym before, I had 510 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: to workout played out for me. I had everything set out, 511 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: reps and everything. So now I find myself learning how 512 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: to exercise voting what you like and what you don't like. 513 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: And I figured out that me going to a gym 514 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: and working out just for the sake of working out 515 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: was useless to me. I had to have a goal. 516 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: So what I got into me and Antonio Telly, I 517 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: got into cycling. So I'll get on my bike, and 518 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: I have numbers I can look at, I have power 519 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: I can look at. It can look at my heart 520 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: rate numbers that you that you look at when you're 521 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: when you're lifting, and that that was what motivated me 522 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: to get my numbers right to heart my heart rate 523 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: going down, to to be able to see that and 524 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: to see progress. Well, you mentioned cycle and is huge 525 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: because it takes the pressure off your joints. A lot 526 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: of guys run run brings running. Jogging actually causes more 527 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: damage to the body than I actually physically run it, 528 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: but we like to do it because you burn calories. 529 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: So cycling is a great safe way to burn calories. 530 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: And and and uh get your Carboro carbs and all 531 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: of that stuff burned off of it. The second thing 532 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: I want to make aware of anyone that's listening is 533 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: sometimes players do not get checkups, but the NFL offers 534 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: these player care screenings in different parts of the country 535 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: that are very cool. So all of the things, like 536 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: you mentioned Bart, you mentioned, well, how do I even 537 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: know what to look for when you go to these screenings? 538 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: All of this stuff is already done. Michael Haines found 539 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: out he had proner at the screening at the Hall 540 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: of Fame. So some of it is just free and 541 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: find out because they're usually there's one new. Everything is 542 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: everything we have, so the resources available, there's so many. 543 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: It's just a matter of just availing yourself, just taking 544 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: a little bit of effort. If you don't know, just 545 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: go do I mean telling the internet, I mean, call 546 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: a buddy. And that's why it's so easy right now, 547 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: it really is. It's easier than it's easy. It's crazy. Absolutely, 548 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: I want to close out. You mentioned something that idle mind, 549 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: and that happens now we get out the structure and 550 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: now we we have this idle mind. Talk about that 551 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: when it comes down the transition from the game. Man, Yeah, 552 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: I think what happens is because you know, I think 553 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: kind of Tombs said earlier. It's just like you leave 554 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: the game and you're just like, man, you had this 555 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 1: structure of this alarm clock that's gone on. Sometimes most 556 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: of the time we didn't even need the alarm clock 557 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,239 Speaker 1: because our body of training, we had to get up 558 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: at this time, we had to eat it, this time, 559 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: we had to live weights at this time, so we 560 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: had that, and all of a sudden, you leave that 561 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: and you do kind of like you miss it for 562 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: a little bit just because you have structure. But then 563 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: it's like, man, I'm so glad I don't have to 564 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: do absolutely nothing if I don't want you today. But 565 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: if you keep doing that and it starts drifting, your 566 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: mind starts to like you kind of go into like 567 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: cruise control, and I think that's where I went, and 568 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: that's the place that you know, I think that's probably 569 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: that's a very dangerous place to go as well. You know. 570 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: The final words we close this particular podcast out I 571 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: think about and I want to encourage anybody that's listening, 572 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: don't remove yourself from the environment that made you most successful, 573 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: and that was teammates, being a team environment. All I 574 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: saw a pointing football when I was four, and many 575 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: of you guys started playing when you're young. Guess what 576 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: all of what we did was in the team environment. 577 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: You talked about having team doctors when you finish the game, right, 578 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 1: So don't separate from that. That's the one thing if 579 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 1: I can just shout it out to the guys, man, 580 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,479 Speaker 1: don't disconnect, re engage because that adds something. Just as 581 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: I hear Tony and Omney or two, how you guys 582 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: encourage each other and that's huge. So thank you guys, 583 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: Thank you Will, thank your minding, thank you Bart, thank 584 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: you Tony. That's been awesome, best of yet to come. 585 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: This has been the NFL Legends podcast. To provide feedback 586 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: or request a topic for discussion, email us at NFL 587 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: Legends at NFL dot com.