Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Show, Katty.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jetty and Key arms draw.
Speaker 3: Wow, there is a lot going on live from the
Speaker 3: studio c of Jeez senor Hey, what do you want?
Speaker 2: Not want me to do that anymore? That's it keeps
Speaker 2: it that you're.
Speaker 3: Not really giving me space space.
Speaker 2: I kind of like the overlaps. Let me do.
Speaker 3: Put them the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty Communications compound.
Speaker 4: And today we're toiling under the title of our show,
Speaker 4: We're gonna have her rehearse. Then a whole civilization will
Speaker 4: die tonight or incherior fair you can you can't Wolverines
Speaker 4: rain spree.
Speaker 2: So this is all happening really fast.
Speaker 3: So Israel put out a statement in Persian, stay off
Speaker 3: the trains in Iran, dude. The president of Iran put
Speaker 3: out a statement saying fourteen million Iranians have committed to
Speaker 3: die for their country.
Speaker 2: Tonight.
Speaker 5: Trump just put out a statement, as Joe referenced, saying
Speaker 5: a whole civilization is going to die.
Speaker 2: Whole night crap for planning purposes.
Speaker 5: Tonight Trump's whole statement, a whole civilization will die tonight,
Speaker 5: never to be brought back again.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: I don't want that to happen, but it probably will,
Speaker 3: he warned grimly.
Speaker 5: Wow, talking about the bridges and the power plants and
Speaker 5: everything like that. And the former Secretary State from the
Speaker 5: last administration just saw him on MSNBC say that what
Speaker 5: Trump is promising would be war crimes. So you have
Speaker 5: the Secretary of State now saying what Trump is proposing
Speaker 5: are war crimes, hours before Trump vows to take out
Speaker 5: an entire civilization.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is some heavy s Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 3: the whole Jake Sullivan saying strong things. We actually have
Speaker 3: a bit of a montage of a couple of Democrats
Speaker 3: saying things that are just so patently ridiculously false that
Speaker 3: it's just anything goes is you point it out more
Speaker 3: than once, there's no cost for saying something completely ridiculous anymore,
Speaker 3: because within your circle, either people believe you or they think, well,
Speaker 3: he's just signaling that he's really with us, and I appreciate.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 5: You gotta admit, though, if you went back, you wouldn't
Speaker 5: have to go back very many years.
Speaker 2: If the Secretary of State under.
Speaker 1: H. W.
Speaker 5: Bush said what Bill Clinton was about to do would
Speaker 5: be a war crime.
Speaker 2: It would be a giant deal. Yeah, it would have been.
Speaker 5: It would have been a huge deal. Yeah, we just
Speaker 5: didn't do that that many years ago. Ah, but holy crap.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I feel like we ought to.
Speaker 3: Should we have an expert on or something about that,
Speaker 3: or who would be a good expert or fair arbitrar
Speaker 3: of the what's a war crime and what's not and
Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't mind that. It's it's very much in the ivy beholder.
Speaker 3: Is the honest to gosh truth when you're talking about
Speaker 3: attacking civilian infrastructure?
Speaker 2: Well, no, it's military or dual use okay, or isn't it?
Speaker 3: I don't know you also, yeah, at least you know
Speaker 3: what that would be helpful in that they could lay
Speaker 3: out the questions to ask, if not the answers, you
Speaker 3: also have the reality of it.
Speaker 5: And this is what you said yesterday, and this is
Speaker 5: true of all international law. Who's gonna stop me?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: How many war crimes has putin committed? Will he ever
Speaker 5: pay a price for it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, no, please? On a daily basis, he commits them.
Speaker 3: It's like having declaring that you're in violation of the
Speaker 3: fairy court. Now the fairies say that's a legal okay,
Speaker 3: So what happens now? Oh?
Speaker 5: Nothing, in case anybody's screaming at their radio or headphones
Speaker 5: or watch or Amazon dot or why don't we just
Speaker 5: say listening device. I understand we can't use well putin
Speaker 5: commits for war crimes, so we should.
Speaker 2: Do as a as a defe. No no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no no.
Speaker 5: It's just the whole idea of international law is yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's a lovely idea. Period.
Speaker 5: Trump said, we've got this is what he said yesterday,
Speaker 5: not in a truth post.
Speaker 2: We'll play this clip later, I suppose.
Speaker 5: But he said in four hours, we're going to take
Speaker 5: out all the bridges and power plants.
Speaker 2: You think that's what's gonna happen. Mmmm. It's one of
Speaker 2: several possibilities I.
Speaker 5: Feel like so far, Trump either pulls up way short
Speaker 5: of what he promised. That's the Taco crowd, which is
Speaker 5: a stupid scenario, but it's a negotiating thing. And so anyway,
Speaker 5: he either pulls up way short, he promises something huge
Speaker 5: then doesn't do it at all, or he goes way
Speaker 5: beyond what he said he was going to do with
Speaker 5: Maduro or several different strikes in Iran, often with a little.
Speaker 3: Feint of you, I don't know, I can't decide what
Speaker 3: to do, and then you know, six hours later, Maduro's
Speaker 3: on a plane and handcuffs and the ice shades, thinking, boy,
Speaker 3: this night is taking a turn.
Speaker 2: Huh and what turns out to be a very popular hoodie.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, well, I feel like you can't pull out
Speaker 3: of this one unless Iran really conceded a whole bunch
Speaker 3: of stuff.
Speaker 5: You know, they shaved their beards. They come out and
Speaker 5: they say, I was that part of the deal. They
Speaker 5: have to shave their beirds.
Speaker 3: They come out, and the strait is open unless that happens.
Speaker 5: I feel Trump, like Trump has to follow through on this.
Speaker 5: He's gone so far with these promises. I think he's
Speaker 5: got to follow through.
Speaker 3: I've come across a small handful of learned commentators who
Speaker 3: are echoing what I said yesterday, which is, it's also
Speaker 3: entirely possible that there's a limited but significant example of
Speaker 3: you think I'm kidding. All right, look at this now.
Speaker 3: The big, the big burrito is coming up tomorrow. Unless
Speaker 3: you seriously sit down to talk.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you can do that after what
Speaker 5: he said yesterday and has said this morning, I'm going.
Speaker 2: To give him one more chance. Sure that would be
Speaker 2: a very Trumpian thing.
Speaker 5: Within four hours, we're taking out all the bridges and
Speaker 5: power plants.
Speaker 3: All civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again.
Speaker 2: Wait what.
Speaker 5: Who talks like that other than Alexander the Great and
Speaker 5: Genghis Khan?
Speaker 2: Right right? I don't want that to happen, but it
Speaker 2: probably will. Oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 5: How about the President of Iran saying, and I don't
Speaker 5: know how he came up with this number, fourteen million
Speaker 5: Iranians are committed to dying tonight. They're trying to put
Speaker 5: together human chains that will get around the power plants.
Speaker 2: Civilians, this would be.
Speaker 5: The crowd that where's the you know, this is the
Speaker 5: year thirteen hundred garb and chance death to America in
Speaker 5: the street.
Speaker 3: You're just twenty percent of the population that loves the mullas.
Speaker 5: If you're chanting death to America and we're the great Satan,
Speaker 5: and go ahead and stand in front of the power plant,
Speaker 5: then enjoy your afterlife.
Speaker 3: Oh, having given ample warning that we were going to attack,
Speaker 3: those targets. At some point, you got to let people
Speaker 3: make their own decisions.
Speaker 2: Well, is that a decision you get to make or
Speaker 2: are they going to be? Uh? A whole bunch of
Speaker 2: bad guys and guns arounded people up in certain neighborhoods
Speaker 2: saying you need to go stand over by that power plant.
Speaker 3: I guess what you're volunteering for? The human chain. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's ugly and horrifying. So why this regime must be ended?
Speaker 3: Whether it can be ended is an open question.
Speaker 5: God dang it, it's amazing. I was re listening to
Speaker 5: the book.
Speaker 3: I mentioned this book last week, Ike's Bluff, because there's
Speaker 3: a lot of that sort of stuff going on right
Speaker 3: now with international diplomacy and US versus Europe and that
Speaker 3: sort of stuff.
Speaker 5: But anyway, it features a part in there. Eisenhower. I
Speaker 5: forget which awful thing happened, but he saw a lot
Speaker 5: of awful things happen in a variety of wars he
Speaker 5: was involved with. And he said, people are humans are stupid.
Speaker 5: He wrote in his own diary about just our willingness
Speaker 5: to kill each other rather than come to an agreement
Speaker 5: of some sort.
Speaker 2: That's been my observation too. It is amazing.
Speaker 5: You would think when it comes down to somebody's gonna die,
Speaker 5: we could sit down and think, rather than die, let's
Speaker 5: work something out.
Speaker 2: But that's just not ever gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Katie, it would have been funnier if
Speaker 3: my title had been you can't, No, you can't.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was Yeah, you can't, you can't Wolverine's
Speaker 3: reign subreme. Yes, except the day I say you can't, mother, Mother,
Speaker 3: I'm afraid you can't.
Speaker 5: It's like the other day when my son said neither.
Speaker 5: I said, we are not neither people. We are neither people.
Speaker 5: We are not a neither family.
Speaker 2: How are you? You're no son of mine? You can't
Speaker 2: say that.
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Speaker 2: Let's begin that officially.
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Speaker 4: To the champions Hell to Michigan for the first time
Speaker 4: in thirty seven years.
Speaker 2: The Wolverines within the national title.
Speaker 5: You know what would be fun, It'll never happen. It
Speaker 5: would be impossible to do. It be interesting if you
Speaker 5: could run the same tournament five times with the same teams.
Speaker 5: I guarantee you you'd get five different results. Almost impossible.
Speaker 5: I think that you've done some years. Maybe you'd get
Speaker 5: the same entire tournament. I mean, just the winner, I
Speaker 5: think it, But the sixty four starting with their sixty four,
Speaker 5: I think it's very unlikely you'd end up with the
Speaker 5: same champion, let alone you know all the other lower
Speaker 5: tier results, right, I mean, because you know you watch
Speaker 5: seven game series in the NBA. Great teams get beaten
Speaker 5: by less teams all all the time, several times in
Speaker 5: a seven game series. But just that's what makes the
Speaker 5: tournament so exciting. I guess in Michigan got lucky and
Speaker 5: hot at the right time.
Speaker 3: Someday, perhaps, man, we'll learn to control parallel universes and
Speaker 3: we can stage that tournament. Then you'd be like the
Speaker 3: super universal champion. Of course, we'll destroy ourselves before then.
Speaker 5: Trump goes on to say, after saying a whole civilization
Speaker 5: will die tonight. Who knows, well, we will find out
Speaker 5: tonight one of the most important moments in the long
Speaker 5: and complex history of the world. Forty seven years of extortion,
Speaker 5: corruption and death will finally end. God bless the great
Speaker 5: people of Iran.
Speaker 3: I like when Trump says stuff like the long and
Speaker 3: complex history of the world, like you need to point
Speaker 3: that out. It's like saying the late great Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 3: I think it's just a way of saying, this is
Speaker 3: a we have a giant monument to him, this is
Speaker 3: late and great. I think in this case, it's just
Speaker 3: way of saying, this is a really, really big deal.
Speaker 3: I'm about to do something historic.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 5: I mean, if he follows through on his promise, this
Speaker 5: will be talked about for a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's funny you've brought this up before, But
Speaker 3: imagining how Trump will be described fifty years from now,
Speaker 3: it'll be grossly oversimplified, because that's what happens with history.
Speaker 3: But the combination of being completely out of control and
Speaker 3: doing completely unnecessary damage in a lot of ways, together
Speaker 3: with bold moves that needed to happen that nobody had
Speaker 3: the guts to do.
Speaker 5: It's possible. It's not gonna be very complex, depending on
Speaker 5: how tonight goes.
Speaker 2: Ah, I see your point.
Speaker 5: If tonight unleashes a horrifying period, that'll be the whole
Speaker 5: first paragraph of the story of Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really most of the book.
Speaker 5: What is tomorrow going to look like if we actually,
Speaker 5: in four hours, well, wipe out a civilization, Uh, take
Speaker 5: out all the bridges and power plants and thousands and
Speaker 5: thousands of civilians die. What What's what's tomorrow gonna look
Speaker 5: like in Iran? Will they just be walking around in
Speaker 5: the rubble looking for water?
Speaker 3: What will the reaction around the world be, What will
Speaker 3: the reaction in Congress be?
Speaker 5: Holy cow? All right, we got maning. That's a heck
Speaker 5: of a thing. May you live in interesting times? We've
Speaker 5: got Katie's headlines next. An interesting conversation with Claude last night,
Speaker 5: and I want to talk about that a little bit later.
Speaker 5: I don't understand how these things work. Did they did
Speaker 5: they did they program them to talk to you like
Speaker 5: their people?
Speaker 3: Or is that just an accident of the intelligence think
Speaker 3: it's quite deliberate. Yeah, yeah, okay, Well I got a
Speaker 3: specific question around it. I love how we're I love
Speaker 3: how we're saying. I talked to Claude last night. Well, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's figure out who's reporting what.
Speaker 2: It's the lead story with Katie Green and Katie.
Speaker 6: Already the alphabet networks first ABC. Trump threatens quote a
Speaker 6: whole civilization will die tonight as deal Deadline loans, CNN
Speaker 6: US strikes military targets on strategic Iranian carg Island, and
Speaker 6: NBC Vance says the war in Iran will conclude quote
Speaker 6: very shortly. But how that happens is ultimately up to
Speaker 6: the Iranians.
Speaker 2: Military strikes and carg Island.
Speaker 5: That would be an interesting faint if we promised destroying
Speaker 5: the civilization, But we're just gonna move on carg Island,
Speaker 5: which has been the threat for a long time, and they're.
Speaker 2: All prepared around Tehran. Sure, deception absolutely part of warfare.
Speaker 6: USA. Today, Artemis two crew flies by the Moon's far
Speaker 6: side and begins journey back home to Earth.
Speaker 2: They're already headed back home.
Speaker 5: The way vacations are, it seems like you just got
Speaker 5: there and it's time to go home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, that's why you gotta you gotta have
Speaker 3: the right ratio. It so it got to be at
Speaker 3: least two to one, uh, enjoyment to travel at least.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is like you flew clear across the country,
Speaker 5: went to the zoo, got on the plane the same day,
Speaker 5: and came back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: From from the Washington Post. At Easter egg Roll, Trump
Speaker 6: tells children about war and mocks Biden.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was aloys.
Speaker 5: That was an interesting setting for some of the comments
Speaker 5: he made about the war. With the rabbit standing next
Speaker 5: to him yesterday, that was funny.
Speaker 6: And he's sitting at a table with a bunch of
Speaker 6: kids that are coloring, and they're having him sign or
Speaker 6: their their little coloring page, and he goes, if it
Speaker 6: was Biden, this would have.
Speaker 2: Been an auto pen. It would have been an autopen.
Speaker 6: Never forget from tech Radar, talking to AI feels easier
Speaker 6: than talking to a real person. Twenty six percent of
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Speaker 2: No they aren't, that's what this says. No they aren't.
Speaker 5: But the first part is weird. The second part's just
Speaker 5: not true.
Speaker 6: From the New York Post, woman jumps into action to
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, oh fan, Now that's a twist.
Speaker 6: Uh huh. Study fines unethical brain rot. Why are millions
Speaker 6: of people watching Ai fruits have affairs on TikTok.
Speaker 2: I have no idea. What the boy.
Speaker 6: It's a new category called Ai fruit drama.
Speaker 3: Fruit drama literally like an apple is in love with
Speaker 3: a banana.
Speaker 6: Hun has like a soap opera storyline, and there's an affair.
Speaker 2: I have to check that out.
Speaker 3: I've always found peaches very attractive.
Speaker 6: And finally, the Babylon Bee about.
Speaker 2: Egg, I'm straight, yes, look it.
Speaker 3: What's wrong is your microphone malfunctioning.
Speaker 2: Is because of you?
Speaker 6: Two Bablon b look out, shouts female astronaut as Artemis
Speaker 6: ship gets within five thousand miles of the moon.
Speaker 2: Wow, now that made me laugh. We're not even closed.
Speaker 2: It's fine, jeez, Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 1: The entire country could be taken out in one night,
Speaker 1: and that night might be tomorrow night, where every bridge
Speaker 1: in Iran will be decimated by twelve o'clock tomorrow night,
Speaker 1: where every power plant in Iran will be out of business, burning,
Speaker 1: exploding and never to be used again. I mean complete
Speaker 1: demolition by twelve o'clock and it'll happen over a period
Speaker 1: of four hours if we wanted to.
Speaker 2: We don't want that to happen.
Speaker 1: We may even get involved with helping them rebuild their nation.
Speaker 1: And you know what, if that's the caset thing we
Speaker 1: want to do is start with power plants, which are
Speaker 1: among the most expensive thing and bridges.
Speaker 5: Every bridge and power plant will be taken out, going
Speaker 5: to destroy the whole civilization. As his Truth Social Posts said, today, you.
Speaker 3: Got a golf course with an island green. We're taking
Speaker 3: out that bridge. You're gonna have to use a rowboat.
Speaker 5: In Bremer said, it looks bad for a US president
Speaker 5: to threaten genocide.
Speaker 2: Seems a little hot for the rhetoric.
Speaker 3: Now, ye, well, the quote about destroying an entire civilization,
Speaker 3: it was edging close.
Speaker 2: To the G word. Yeah, I suppose.
Speaker 5: I'm probably just giving Trump the leeway of he exaggerates,
Speaker 5: trump purbly, Trump purbly. That's a good word if if
Speaker 5: you're gonna go literally and uh, pretend you know anybody
Speaker 5: else's at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds pretty genocide. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 5: If Putin came out and said by eight o'clock tonight,
Speaker 5: I'm going to take out the entire civilization of Ukraine, we'd.
Speaker 2: Be calling that a genocide threat.
Speaker 5: Yes, although there would be the caveat of if Ukraine
Speaker 5: were trying to get a nuclear bomb, and had and
Speaker 5: was had been promising for a half a century to
Speaker 5: wipe them out if they ever got a hold of it.
Speaker 5: And you're saying to them, if you give up your
Speaker 5: uranium and play ball, we're not gonna wipe you all out.
Speaker 2: It is a little bit.
Speaker 5: He can be friends, will help you rebuild the stuff
Speaker 5: we've taken out, the dead coming up.
Speaker 3: They've started they've started a streaming channel for pets in
Speaker 3: China stay with us.
Speaker 2: Trying to lighten the mood. I don't know. I have
Speaker 2: no problem with being really dark. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's dark.
Speaker 5: But this is a huge freaking deal, huge freaking deal.
Speaker 5: This could be among the biggest deals, could end up
Speaker 5: being the biggest deals of our lifetime. In terms of
Speaker 5: a story. Depending on how things go tonight, it could
Speaker 5: be Pearl Harbory certainly a battle of the bulgy. Okay,
Speaker 5: so Trump threatens every bridge, every power plant. I just
Speaker 5: saw this former Secretary of State under Biden, Jake Sullivan say,
Speaker 5: a national security advisor. I'll get a blinkoln and Jake
Speaker 5: Sullivan mixed up.
Speaker 3: Okay, national security, you know what, I trade one for
Speaker 3: the the a couple of numb skulls of the skinny dudes.
Speaker 5: Said these would be war crimes. So did a little
Speaker 5: researching around what people are saying. There are very few
Speaker 5: mainstream legal experts saying this is clearly not a war crime.
Speaker 5: Of course, anything mainstream is left leaning.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I read a great quote the other day.
Speaker 3: NGOs and think tanks exist so that journalists can get
Speaker 3: a quote that expresses what they believe.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. Yeah.
Speaker 5: The main not necessarily the war crime argument is as
Speaker 5: Joe has already pointed out, the key idea is dual
Speaker 5: use infrastructure, power plants, Bridges can be legal targets if
Speaker 5: they support military operations.
Speaker 2: Under the laws of war.
Speaker 5: A target is allowed if it provides a definite military advantage.
Speaker 2: Well, then that gets into the eye of the beholder.
Speaker 5: I mean, does a bridge helping people get out of
Speaker 5: the city on the weekend to get to the suburb
Speaker 5: give a military advantage?
Speaker 2: Well, if you're going to.
Speaker 3: Roll thanks across and it does, I guess right right.
Speaker 3: You'd have to get really, really loyally to get to
Speaker 3: the bottom of that.
Speaker 5: One legal argument cited in a news coverage today tied
Speaker 5: said infrastructure tied to military use in any way could
Speaker 5: be lawful to strike.
Speaker 3: Well, that is pretty broad. It'd be pretty hard to
Speaker 3: come up with any infrastructure that you could. You could
Speaker 3: clearly make the argument it'd be impossible to use this
Speaker 3: power planter bridge.
Speaker 2: For any military use. Exactly. Could you even make that argument?
Speaker 5: An escalating attacks on infrastructure can be a legitimate wartime tactic.
Speaker 5: Such targets can qualify as lawful if they're part of
Speaker 5: an enemy's war capacity, which is even beyond the farms.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got to knock out the power grid because
Speaker 3: that's the power grid that powers that missile factory. That's
Speaker 3: what I was saying before. I mean, you get into
Speaker 3: this and you realize pretty quickly, all right, the people
Speaker 3: in favor of it are gonna say it's not a
Speaker 3: war crime. Those who are against it, they are going
Speaker 3: to say it, Yeah, it is, and they'll yell at
Speaker 3: each other for a while.
Speaker 2: Then history will move on and never talk about it again.
Speaker 5: The strongest version of the defense would be if it
Speaker 5: helps the military, it's a valid target, or yeah, if
Speaker 5: it helps that country wage war and it's a valid target.
Speaker 2: So yeah, what you just said makes sense. And of
Speaker 2: course this will all be.
Speaker 3: Settled eventually in the International Court of War Crimes. Oh,
Speaker 3: that's right, it doesn't exist. There isn't even a final arbiter.
Speaker 5: Well, it's gonna be very tiring hearing about that all
Speaker 5: day long, the whole war crimes. And we will and
Speaker 5: maybe for the next several days, weeks, months, or years again,
Speaker 5: depending on how things go tonight. If Trump fulfills this
Speaker 5: promise of wiping out a civilization, it's gonna make the papers.
Speaker 3: Well, and there'll be a giant refugee crisis too, so
Speaker 3: that could destabilize, you know, certainly the region.
Speaker 5: So I was listened to a podcast yesterday and they
Speaker 5: had an Iranian reporter on this Iranian reporter said, the
Speaker 5: population is still really gung ho for the strike the
Speaker 5: United States is making because they hate the regime so much.
Speaker 5: I mean, if you were a protester at all, you
Speaker 5: probably know somebody that.
Speaker 2: Died practically guaranteed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like a close friend or family member was tortured
Speaker 5: or killed just a couple of weeks ago by the regime.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's one of those situations where there's hardly
Speaker 3: a family that wasn't touched by the hand of death.
Speaker 5: So I could see why you'd give quite a bit
Speaker 5: of leeway to the United States for bomb and crap
Speaker 5: because you hate the regime so much. At what point
Speaker 5: could that turn, do you think to where the even
Speaker 5: the population that hates the regime.
Speaker 2: Hates us for destroying their country so much.
Speaker 3: If the grandest of Trump's threats comes true, I think
Speaker 3: we're at a real tipping point for that. There's a
Speaker 3: great email that's going to be part of a mailbag
Speaker 3: about that. I hate to steal the thunder since I'm
Speaker 3: kind of stealing the thought. But whether it's the Greenland
Speaker 3: thing or Canada, or you know, a handful of other examples,
Speaker 3: Trump scenes incapable of realizing, Okay, now this is unproductive,
Speaker 3: this is causing more harm than good. Let's rain in
Speaker 3: a little bit. Sometimes he can't find the break. It's
Speaker 3: pretty tough.
Speaker 5: Though, I mean, because to live in Iran, especially the
Speaker 5: younger crowd, and they have so many more young people
Speaker 5: as a percentage than we do. But it's very young
Speaker 5: country to have a regime that murders and tortures your friends.
Speaker 5: Things that have to get pretty bad before you'd be
Speaker 5: upset about what happened. But if by this time tomorrow.
Speaker 5: People are just stumbling around looking for water, no electricity,
Speaker 5: chaos in the streets. It's anarchy. Whoever's got the guns rules.
Speaker 5: You might think, you know what, it was better last week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, possible.
Speaker 3: And it's possible to do the right thing in the
Speaker 3: wrong way, as we've learned through various chapters of history.
Speaker 2: So why Trump is the all time go bigger, go home?
Speaker 2: He is go big. Whether it's making a ballroom.
Speaker 5: Or taken out a civilization, whatever, whatever you're doing, go bigger,
Speaker 5: go home.
Speaker 3: Or expressing the desire to perhaps have a security agreement
Speaker 3: with Greenland, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Or you know, criticizing someone who just died. Whatever, whatever
Speaker 5: it is, go bigger, go home. I'm glad it's dead.
Speaker 2: I hated it. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: I Again, I'm amazed at your capacity to laugh at
Speaker 3: this stuff, because it feels like the unintended and unfortunate
Speaker 3: consequences of his excesses are accumulating.
Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll know a lot more tomorrow. Holy crap.
Speaker 3: Well, and my point is the month after that, and
Speaker 3: the month after that and the month after that, there
Speaker 3: are a lot of stories we don't cover because you know,
Speaker 3: number one, we're not the anti Trump left media and
Speaker 3: they're little in the weedsy, but there are negative consequences
Speaker 3: piling up in various departments of government and that sort
Speaker 3: of thing.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out.
Speaker 3: Do I hope he pulls back before five o'clock our
Speaker 3: time on the West Coast or not, I suppose if
Speaker 3: I if I'm using my rational, good person brain, I'm
Speaker 3: hoping he pulls back. The kind of wants to see
Speaker 3: what happened, is hoping he's follows through.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like the idea of a demonstration strike of significance,
Speaker 3: but not wiping out a civilization. You know what I'd
Speaker 3: love to hear, And I got to do some digging.
Speaker 3: Is an expert, like a real expert on the IRGC
Speaker 3: with given their interests and their control, what will their
Speaker 3: probable reaction.
Speaker 2: To the various scenarios be. Because I don't know, I'll tell.
Speaker 5: You what I don't want and then we can take
Speaker 5: a break and get the mail bag. Here's what I
Speaker 5: would This would be the worst case scenario. We do
Speaker 5: take out all the bridges, all the water plants, everything.
Speaker 5: You have absolute anarchy, chaos in the streets. Every country
Speaker 5: on planet Earth, including our closest friends decrize it a
Speaker 5: war crimes.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: Snap polls come out, we're like eighty five percent of Americans,
Speaker 5: including lots of Republicans.
Speaker 3: A majority of Republicans say that was awful. Congress convenes
Speaker 3: emergency sessions, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's on the table, right it is? Yeah? Wow, Okay,
Speaker 2: mail Bag next, I.
Speaker 5: Think I'm learning leaning. It's a diversion tactic. Gonna take
Speaker 5: carg Islands fully. Anyway, we'll talk more about that later.
Speaker 5: Got interesting AI conversation that happened, Lots of stuf to
Speaker 5: talk about.
Speaker 2: I hope you can stick around.
Speaker 3: Here's your freedom loving quote of the day. This one
Speaker 3: from William to comes to Sherman, the Civil War general
Speaker 3: on the Union winning side. I believe this is from
Speaker 3: his letter to the city fathers of Atlanta. I'm pretty
Speaker 3: sure of it. War is cruelty. There's no use trying
Speaker 3: to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it
Speaker 3: will be over. I've read most of that on the
Speaker 3: air at least once. Maybe it's time to read it again.
Speaker 3: There are some who debate his logic. I think he's
Speaker 3: absolutely right. Mailbag drop us a note, will you mail
Speaker 3: Bag at Armstrong e getty dot com. Keep it as
Speaker 3: short as you can, but you know, within reason, if
Speaker 3: you're brilliant, you're making great points. Ramble little. Obviously, people
Speaker 3: are concerned with the war situation.
Speaker 2: One of our main themes.
Speaker 3: Ryan from Houston dear cold Warrior and old fancy Jack.
Speaker 3: Whether Trump is right or wrong, I don't want the
Speaker 3: destruction of a civilization to come down to one man.
Speaker 3: Congress needs to get involved. This from another Jay in
Speaker 3: San Jose. If Trump takes down the Iranian regime, it
Speaker 3: will bring a prosperity to the world not seen before.
Speaker 2: It opens up Gaza.
Speaker 3: It's the end of Hesbelah, and Iran is sitting on
Speaker 3: immense wealth.
Speaker 2: It can be spent peacefully.
Speaker 3: All the other countries in the regions seem to be
Speaker 3: basically on board with trade, not war. Love him or
Speaker 3: hate him, He saw around this corner back in his
Speaker 3: first term and we're all just catching up. Yeah, well,
Speaker 3: he's not threatening the regime will be gone by the
Speaker 3: end of the day. He's threatening the civilization will be
Speaker 3: gone by the end of the day. Again, Trump purbly,
Speaker 3: I think this from Paolo Guys. Trump says a lot
Speaker 3: of wacky stuff, and only he knows why he says it,
Speaker 3: although I have to wonder here if he isn't risking
Speaker 3: fairly broad support Iran the same way as undisciplined handling
Speaker 3: of immigration enforcement turned people against him. There, and he
Speaker 3: cites a couple of articles the deadline threatening the entire civilization.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's hard to imagine how it is to your
Speaker 5: benefit to say an entire a whole civilization will die tonight.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: I mean that makes his other hyperbolic statements throughout all
Speaker 5: the years seem like nothing, like he was just stretching
Speaker 5: and getting loose, getting ready for this one. Yeah, this
Speaker 5: is just because it's interesting. Oh you know what, do
Speaker 5: we have time? Yeah, we'll do this one because longer
Speaker 5: and save that one. Hey, big freedom and old man
Speaker 5: Jack writes ed, I was a B fifty two.
Speaker 2: Tail gunner back in the day.
Speaker 3: While the communications for Town aircrew has certainly changed, the
Speaker 3: ejection process is basically the same as when I was
Speaker 3: in while I had a signal mirror and a flare gun.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they now have encrypted satellite communications.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 3: And then he talks about similar technology he uses now
Speaker 3: as a private pilot as to ejection imagine being accelerated
Speaker 3: from zero to forty miles per hour in one tenth
Speaker 3: of a second. You sustained about wintgs of force, and
Speaker 3: that can tear muscles, cause hemorrhages in the eyes, blow
Speaker 3: out your ear, drums, et cetera. You're sitting on your
Speaker 3: survival kit, and a half second after the rocket motor fires,
Speaker 3: the seat kicks you out quote unquote, a seat separation
Speaker 3: device literally kicks you in the ass to separate you
Speaker 3: from the seat, which weighs a few hundred pounds. The
Speaker 3: seat crashes through the ground while your parachute deploys. Ooof
Speaker 3: your survival so already you are seriously traumatized as you
Speaker 3: float to the ground. Your survival kit contains some signaling devices, camouflage,
Speaker 3: makeup water space blanket, fire making device, iodine tablets to
Speaker 3: purify water, and an mre. It may contain a map
Speaker 3: of the local area, but I'm pretty sure this is
Speaker 3: now a GPS device. Also contains a small American flag,
Speaker 3: a translation card that says I am an American airman
Speaker 3: in multiple languages, and a couple of gold sovereigns you
Speaker 3: can use to bribe the locals. Your weapon is the
Speaker 3: sidearm you are flying with and you have very limited
Speaker 3: ammo ah. Your flight suit has been sterilized before the mission.
Speaker 3: Your name, rank, squad and patch are all put on
Speaker 3: with velcro, and for a combat mission, all of that
Speaker 3: comes off before you take off.
Speaker 2: Interesting, I didn't know that. Then. All airmen undergrows undergo
Speaker 2: survival training.
Speaker 3: There are basic land survival, water survival, desert survival, jungle survival,
Speaker 3: and Arctic survival courses in which you take depends on
Speaker 3: the environment you're expected to fly in. Obviously, there's also
Speaker 3: a simulated pow camp where you are captured while trying
Speaker 3: to evade. There is a solo experience any group experience
Speaker 3: where they teach you various interrogation techniques and how to
Speaker 3: resist them without being killed. The John Wayne name, rank,
Speaker 3: serial number, data birth approach is taught, but slightly decourage
Speaker 3: because it leads to a lot of torture and death.
Speaker 3: The instructors speak their own made up language and they're
Speaker 3: very good at stressing you physically without leaving any permanent damage.
Speaker 3: They have several stress positions and mechanical torture devices that
Speaker 3: you're subjected to that simulate torture. Trust me, it doesn't
Speaker 3: take long before your muscles are quivling and you're feeling
Speaker 3: the pain. There's a little let me finish this, just
Speaker 3: a couple more sentences as to whether to fight or surrender.
Speaker 3: You're taught to do it you think will allow for
Speaker 3: the best survival. But if you fire a weapon or
Speaker 3: harm the enemy, you are still combatant and the enemy
Speaker 3: has the legal right to kill you.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: What I'm interested in is why colonel was flying this mission.
Speaker 3: Once you become a senior officer, you become a planner, manager,
Speaker 3: mentor to young troop center, typically considered too valuable to risk.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Thanks Ed. I was kind of surprised the guy
Speaker 2: was a colonel. He too.
Speaker 5: I was going to bring this up with Mike Leines,
Speaker 5: but I thought it might be too indelicate. Is there
Speaker 5: any situation where you kill yourself rather than be taken captured?
Speaker 5: And I had thought about that, And then I was
Speaker 5: listening to the Eisenhower book, and when Dwight Eisenhower's son
Speaker 5: was in Korea, he had told his son, if you
Speaker 5: ever captured, I want you to kill yourself because he
Speaker 5: was worried about the son of Dwight Eisenhower being too
Speaker 5: valuable a prize for the enemy. So he said, if
Speaker 5: you're captured and kill yourself before they have a chance
Speaker 5: to take you.
Speaker 3: Hey, Dad, how about maybe they don't treat me too
Speaker 3: bad because I am your son, and they'll parade me
Speaker 3: around and use me for propaganda and stuff.
Speaker 2: But I get to that point.
Speaker 5: Could and then that was the concern, right, that they
Speaker 5: captured this guy and use them for propaganda. Could it
Speaker 5: be so bad that we would want them to kill
Speaker 5: themselves rather than be used for propaganda? Do we do
Speaker 5: that or not?
Speaker 2: Probably not a case by case decision. Oh boy, if.
Speaker 5: You know any more about that email or a textas
Speaker 5: I thought that was interesting, Dwight Eisenhower telling his son that,
Speaker 5: holy crap, we got a lot more to come. If
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