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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Show, Katty.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and Jetty and Key arms draw.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, there is a lot going on live from the

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<v Speaker 3>studio c of Jeez senor Hey, what do you want?

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<v Speaker 2>Not want me to do that anymore? That's it keeps

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<v Speaker 2>it that you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Not really giving me space space.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of like the overlaps. Let me do.

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<v Speaker 3>Put them the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty Communications compound.

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<v Speaker 4>And today we're toiling under the title of our show,

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<v Speaker 4>We're gonna have her rehearse. Then a whole civilization will

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<v Speaker 4>die tonight or incherior fair you can you can't Wolverines

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<v Speaker 4>rain spree.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is all happening really fast.

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<v Speaker 3>So Israel put out a statement in Persian, stay off

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<v Speaker 3>the trains in Iran, dude. The president of Iran put

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<v Speaker 3>out a statement saying fourteen million Iranians have committed to

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<v Speaker 3>die for their country.

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<v Speaker 2>Tonight.

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<v Speaker 5>Trump just put out a statement, as Joe referenced, saying

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<v Speaker 5>a whole civilization is going to die.

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<v Speaker 2>Whole night crap for planning purposes.

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<v Speaker 5>Tonight Trump's whole statement, a whole civilization will die tonight,

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<v Speaker 5>never to be brought back again.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want that to happen, but it probably will,

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<v Speaker 3>he warned grimly.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, talking about the bridges and the power plants and

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<v Speaker 5>everything like that. And the former Secretary State from the

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<v Speaker 5>last administration just saw him on MSNBC say that what

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<v Speaker 5>Trump is promising would be war crimes. So you have

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<v Speaker 5>the Secretary of State now saying what Trump is proposing

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<v Speaker 5>are war crimes, hours before Trump vows to take out

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<v Speaker 5>an entire civilization.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is some heavy s Yeah, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>the whole Jake Sullivan saying strong things. We actually have

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<v Speaker 3>a bit of a montage of a couple of Democrats

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<v Speaker 3>saying things that are just so patently ridiculously false that

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<v Speaker 3>it's just anything goes is you point it out more

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<v Speaker 3>than once, there's no cost for saying something completely ridiculous anymore,

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<v Speaker 3>because within your circle, either people believe you or they think, well,

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<v Speaker 3>he's just signaling that he's really with us, and I appreciate.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 5>You gotta admit, though, if you went back, you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 5>have to go back very many years.

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<v Speaker 2>If the Secretary of State under.

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<v Speaker 1>H. W.

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<v Speaker 5>Bush said what Bill Clinton was about to do would

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<v Speaker 5>be a war crime.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be a giant deal. Yeah, it would have been.

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<v Speaker 5>It would have been a huge deal. Yeah, we just

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<v Speaker 5>didn't do that that many years ago. Ah, but holy crap.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, I feel like we ought to.

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<v Speaker 3>Should we have an expert on or something about that,

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<v Speaker 3>or who would be a good expert or fair arbitrar

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<v Speaker 3>of the what's a war crime and what's not and

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<v Speaker 3>all that sort of stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't mind that. It's it's very much in the ivy beholder.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the honest to gosh truth when you're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>attacking civilian infrastructure?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, it's military or dual use okay, or isn't it?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know you also, yeah, at least you know

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<v Speaker 3>what that would be helpful in that they could lay

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<v Speaker 3>out the questions to ask, if not the answers, you

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<v Speaker 3>also have the reality of it.

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<v Speaker 5>And this is what you said yesterday, and this is

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<v Speaker 5>true of all international law. Who's gonna stop me?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 5>How many war crimes has putin committed? Will he ever

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<v Speaker 5>pay a price for it?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, please? On a daily basis, he commits them.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like having declaring that you're in violation of the

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<v Speaker 3>fairy court. Now the fairies say that's a legal okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So what happens now? Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>Nothing, in case anybody's screaming at their radio or headphones

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<v Speaker 5>or watch or Amazon dot or why don't we just

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<v Speaker 5>say listening device. I understand we can't use well putin

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<v Speaker 5>commits for war crimes, so we should.

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<v Speaker 2>Do as a as a defe. No no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>no no no.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just the whole idea of international law is yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, it's a lovely idea. Period.

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<v Speaker 5>Trump said, we've got this is what he said yesterday,

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<v Speaker 5>not in a truth post.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll play this clip later, I suppose.

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<v Speaker 5>But he said in four hours, we're going to take

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<v Speaker 5>out all the bridges and power plants.

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<v Speaker 2>You think that's what's gonna happen. Mmmm. It's one of

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<v Speaker 2>several possibilities I.

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<v Speaker 5>Feel like so far, Trump either pulls up way short

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<v Speaker 5>of what he promised. That's the Taco crowd, which is

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<v Speaker 5>a stupid scenario, but it's a negotiating thing. And so anyway,

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<v Speaker 5>he either pulls up way short, he promises something huge

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<v Speaker 5>then doesn't do it at all, or he goes way

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<v Speaker 5>beyond what he said he was going to do with

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<v Speaker 5>Maduro or several different strikes in Iran, often with a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Feint of you, I don't know, I can't decide what

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<v Speaker 3>to do, and then you know, six hours later, Maduro's

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<v Speaker 3>on a plane and handcuffs and the ice shades, thinking, boy,

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<v Speaker 3>this night is taking a turn.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh and what turns out to be a very popular hoodie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, well, I feel like you can't pull out

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<v Speaker 3>of this one unless Iran really conceded a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, they shaved their beards. They come out and

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<v Speaker 5>they say, I was that part of the deal. They

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<v Speaker 5>have to shave their beirds.

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<v Speaker 3>They come out, and the strait is open unless that happens.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel Trump, like Trump has to follow through on this.

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<v Speaker 5>He's gone so far with these promises. I think he's

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<v Speaker 5>got to follow through.

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<v Speaker 3>I've come across a small handful of learned commentators who

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<v Speaker 3>are echoing what I said yesterday, which is, it's also

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<v Speaker 3>entirely possible that there's a limited but significant example of

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<v Speaker 3>you think I'm kidding. All right, look at this now.

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<v Speaker 3>The big, the big burrito is coming up tomorrow. Unless

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<v Speaker 3>you seriously sit down to talk.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if you can do that after what

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<v Speaker 5>he said yesterday and has said this morning, I'm going.

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<v Speaker 2>To give him one more chance. Sure that would be

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<v Speaker 2>a very Trumpian thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Within four hours, we're taking out all the bridges and

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<v Speaker 5>power plants.

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<v Speaker 3>All civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait what.

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<v Speaker 5>Who talks like that other than Alexander the Great and

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<v Speaker 5>Genghis Khan?

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<v Speaker 2>Right right? I don't want that to happen, but it

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<v Speaker 2>probably will. Oh my god. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>How about the President of Iran saying, and I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know how he came up with this number, fourteen million

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<v Speaker 5>Iranians are committed to dying tonight. They're trying to put

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<v Speaker 5>together human chains that will get around the power plants.

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<v Speaker 2>Civilians, this would be.

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<v Speaker 5>The crowd that where's the you know, this is the

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<v Speaker 5>year thirteen hundred garb and chance death to America in

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<v Speaker 5>the street.

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<v Speaker 3>You're just twenty percent of the population that loves the mullas.

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<v Speaker 5>If you're chanting death to America and we're the great Satan,

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<v Speaker 5>and go ahead and stand in front of the power plant,

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<v Speaker 5>then enjoy your afterlife.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, having given ample warning that we were going to attack,

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<v Speaker 3>those targets. At some point, you got to let people

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<v Speaker 3>make their own decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, is that a decision you get to make or

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<v Speaker 2>are they going to be? Uh? A whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>bad guys and guns arounded people up in certain neighborhoods

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<v Speaker 2>saying you need to go stand over by that power plant.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess what you're volunteering for? The human chain. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's ugly and horrifying. So why this regime must be ended?

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<v Speaker 3>Whether it can be ended is an open question.

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<v Speaker 5>God dang it, it's amazing. I was re listening to

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<v Speaker 5>the book.

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<v Speaker 3>I mentioned this book last week, Ike's Bluff, because there's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of that sort of stuff going on right

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<v Speaker 3>now with international diplomacy and US versus Europe and that

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<v Speaker 3>sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>But anyway, it features a part in there. Eisenhower. I

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<v Speaker 5>forget which awful thing happened, but he saw a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of awful things happen in a variety of wars he

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<v Speaker 5>was involved with. And he said, people are humans are stupid.

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<v Speaker 5>He wrote in his own diary about just our willingness

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<v Speaker 5>to kill each other rather than come to an agreement

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<v Speaker 5>of some sort.

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<v Speaker 2>That's been my observation too. It is amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>You would think when it comes down to somebody's gonna die,

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<v Speaker 5>we could sit down and think, rather than die, let's

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<v Speaker 5>work something out.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's just not ever gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, Katie, it would have been funnier if

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<v Speaker 3>my title had been you can't, No, you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that was Yeah, you can't, you can't Wolverine's

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<v Speaker 3>reign subreme. Yes, except the day I say you can't, mother, Mother,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm afraid you can't.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like the other day when my son said neither.

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<v Speaker 5>I said, we are not neither people. We are neither people.

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<v Speaker 5>We are not a neither family.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you? You're no son of mine? You can't

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<v Speaker 2>say that.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's let's start the show officially. I'm Jack Armstrong. He's

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<v Speaker 5>Joe Getty on this it is It's Tuesday, April seventh,

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<v Speaker 5>which might go down as a date in history. There,

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<v Speaker 5>you're twenty twenty six, we are armstrung and geddy, and

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<v Speaker 5>we approve of this program.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's begin that officially.

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<v Speaker 3>According to SEC rules of Regulations, the show starts at

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<v Speaker 3>mark Over.

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<v Speaker 4>To the champions Hell to Michigan for the first time

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<v Speaker 4>in thirty seven years.

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<v Speaker 2>The Wolverines within the national title.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what would be fun, It'll never happen. It

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<v Speaker 5>would be impossible to do. It be interesting if you

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<v Speaker 5>could run the same tournament five times with the same teams.

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<v Speaker 5>I guarantee you you'd get five different results. Almost impossible.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that you've done some years. Maybe you'd get

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<v Speaker 5>the same entire tournament. I mean, just the winner, I

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<v Speaker 5>think it, But the sixty four starting with their sixty four,

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's very unlikely you'd end up with the

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<v Speaker 5>same champion, let alone you know all the other lower

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<v Speaker 5>tier results, right, I mean, because you know you watch

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<v Speaker 5>seven game series in the NBA. Great teams get beaten

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<v Speaker 5>by less teams all all the time, several times in

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<v Speaker 5>a seven game series. But just that's what makes the

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<v Speaker 5>tournament so exciting. I guess in Michigan got lucky and

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<v Speaker 5>hot at the right time.

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<v Speaker 3>Someday, perhaps, man, we'll learn to control parallel universes and

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<v Speaker 3>we can stage that tournament. Then you'd be like the

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<v Speaker 3>super universal champion. Of course, we'll destroy ourselves before then.

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<v Speaker 5>Trump goes on to say, after saying a whole civilization

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<v Speaker 5>will die tonight. Who knows, well, we will find out

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<v Speaker 5>tonight one of the most important moments in the long

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<v Speaker 5>and complex history of the world. Forty seven years of extortion,

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<v Speaker 5>corruption and death will finally end. God bless the great

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<v Speaker 5>people of Iran.

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<v Speaker 3>I like when Trump says stuff like the long and

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<v Speaker 3>complex history of the world, like you need to point

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<v Speaker 3>that out. It's like saying the late great Abraham Lincoln.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's just a way of saying, this is

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<v Speaker 3>a we have a giant monument to him, this is

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<v Speaker 3>late and great. I think in this case, it's just

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<v Speaker 3>way of saying, this is a really, really big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm about to do something historic.

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<v Speaker 2>He is.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, if he follows through on his promise, this

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<v Speaker 5>will be talked about for a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's funny you've brought this up before, But

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<v Speaker 3>imagining how Trump will be described fifty years from now,

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<v Speaker 3>it'll be grossly oversimplified, because that's what happens with history.

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<v Speaker 3>But the combination of being completely out of control and

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<v Speaker 3>doing completely unnecessary damage in a lot of ways, together

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<v Speaker 3>with bold moves that needed to happen that nobody had

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<v Speaker 3>the guts to do.

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<v Speaker 5>It's possible. It's not gonna be very complex, depending on

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<v Speaker 5>how tonight goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, I see your point.

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<v Speaker 5>If tonight unleashes a horrifying period, that'll be the whole

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<v Speaker 5>first paragraph of the story of Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, really most of the book.

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<v Speaker 5>What is tomorrow going to look like if we actually,

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<v Speaker 5>in four hours, well, wipe out a civilization, Uh, take

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<v Speaker 5>out all the bridges and power plants and thousands and

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<v Speaker 5>thousands of civilians die. What What's what's tomorrow gonna look

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<v Speaker 5>like in Iran? Will they just be walking around in

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<v Speaker 5>the rubble looking for water?

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<v Speaker 3>What will the reaction around the world be, What will

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<v Speaker 3>the reaction in Congress be?

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<v Speaker 5>Holy cow? All right, we got maning. That's a heck

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<v Speaker 5>of a thing. May you live in interesting times? We've

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<v Speaker 5>got Katie's headlines next. An interesting conversation with Claude last night,

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<v Speaker 5>and I want to talk about that a little bit later.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't understand how these things work. Did they did

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<v Speaker 5>they did they program them to talk to you like

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<v Speaker 5>their people?

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<v Speaker 3>Or is that just an accident of the intelligence think

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<v Speaker 3>it's quite deliberate. Yeah, yeah, okay, Well I got a

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<v Speaker 3>specific question around it. I love how we're I love

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<v Speaker 3>how we're saying. I talked to Claude last night. Well, yeah, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>let's figure out who's reporting what.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the lead story with Katie Green and Katie.

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<v Speaker 6>Already the alphabet networks first ABC. Trump threatens quote a

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<v Speaker 6>whole civilization will die tonight as deal Deadline loans, CNN

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<v Speaker 6>US strikes military targets on strategic Iranian carg Island, and

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<v Speaker 6>NBC Vance says the war in Iran will conclude quote

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<v Speaker 6>very shortly. But how that happens is ultimately up to

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<v Speaker 6>the Iranians.

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<v Speaker 2>Military strikes and carg Island.

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<v Speaker 5>That would be an interesting faint if we promised destroying

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<v Speaker 5>the civilization, But we're just gonna move on carg Island,

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<v Speaker 5>which has been the threat for a long time, and they're.

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<v Speaker 2>All prepared around Tehran. Sure, deception absolutely part of warfare.

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<v Speaker 6>USA. Today, Artemis two crew flies by the Moon's far

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<v Speaker 6>side and begins journey back home to Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>They're already headed back home.

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<v Speaker 5>The way vacations are, it seems like you just got

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<v Speaker 5>there and it's time to go home.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know, that's why you gotta you gotta have

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<v Speaker 3>the right ratio. It so it got to be at

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<v Speaker 3>least two to one, uh, enjoyment to travel at least.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, this is like you flew clear across the country,

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<v Speaker 5>went to the zoo, got on the plane the same day,

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<v Speaker 5>and came back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>From from the Washington Post. At Easter egg Roll, Trump

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<v Speaker 6>tells children about war and mocks Biden.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was aloys.

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<v Speaker 5>That was an interesting setting for some of the comments

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<v Speaker 5>he made about the war. With the rabbit standing next

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<v Speaker 5>to him yesterday, that was funny.

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<v Speaker 6>And he's sitting at a table with a bunch of

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<v Speaker 6>kids that are coloring, and they're having him sign or

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<v Speaker 6>their their little coloring page, and he goes, if it

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<v Speaker 6>was Biden, this would have.

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<v Speaker 2>Been an auto pen. It would have been an autopen.

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<v Speaker 6>Never forget from tech Radar, talking to AI feels easier

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<v Speaker 6>than talking to a real person. Twenty six percent of

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<v Speaker 6>gen z are already dating Ai.

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<v Speaker 2>No they aren't, that's what this says. No they aren't.

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<v Speaker 5>But the first part is weird. The second part's just

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<v Speaker 5>not true.

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<v Speaker 6>From the New York Post, woman jumps into action to

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<v Speaker 6>stave struggling swimmer, only to learn that he's wanted for

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<v Speaker 6>double murder.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, oh fan, Now that's a twist.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh huh. Study fines unethical brain rot. Why are millions

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<v Speaker 6>of people watching Ai fruits have affairs on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea. What the boy.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a new category called Ai fruit drama.

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<v Speaker 3>Fruit drama literally like an apple is in love with

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<v Speaker 3>a banana.

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<v Speaker 6>Hun has like a soap opera storyline, and there's an affair.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to check that out.

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<v Speaker 3>I've always found peaches very attractive.

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<v Speaker 6>And finally, the Babylon Bee about.

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<v Speaker 2>Egg, I'm straight, yes, look it.

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<v Speaker 3>What's wrong is your microphone malfunctioning.

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<v Speaker 2>Is because of you?

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<v Speaker 6>Two Bablon b look out, shouts female astronaut as Artemis

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<v Speaker 6>ship gets within five thousand miles of the moon.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, now that made me laugh. We're not even closed.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fine, jeez, Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 1>The entire country could be taken out in one night,

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<v Speaker 1>and that night might be tomorrow night, where every bridge

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<v Speaker 1>in Iran will be decimated by twelve o'clock tomorrow night,

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<v Speaker 1>where every power plant in Iran will be out of business, burning,

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<v Speaker 1>exploding and never to be used again. I mean complete

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<v Speaker 1>demolition by twelve o'clock and it'll happen over a period

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<v Speaker 1>of four hours if we wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't want that to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>We may even get involved with helping them rebuild their nation.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, if that's the caset thing we

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<v Speaker 1>want to do is start with power plants, which are

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<v Speaker 1>among the most expensive thing and bridges.

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<v Speaker 5>Every bridge and power plant will be taken out, going

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<v Speaker 5>to destroy the whole civilization. As his Truth Social Posts said, today, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Got a golf course with an island green. We're taking

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<v Speaker 3>out that bridge. You're gonna have to use a rowboat.

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<v Speaker 5>In Bremer said, it looks bad for a US president

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<v Speaker 5>to threaten genocide.

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<v Speaker 2>Seems a little hot for the rhetoric.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, ye, well, the quote about destroying an entire civilization,

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<v Speaker 3>it was edging close.

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<v Speaker 2>To the G word. Yeah, I suppose.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm probably just giving Trump the leeway of he exaggerates,

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<v Speaker 5>trump purbly, Trump purbly. That's a good word if if

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<v Speaker 5>you're gonna go literally and uh, pretend you know anybody

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<v Speaker 5>else's at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sounds pretty genocide. Mm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 5>If Putin came out and said by eight o'clock tonight,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to take out the entire civilization of Ukraine, we'd.

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<v Speaker 2>Be calling that a genocide threat.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, although there would be the caveat of if Ukraine

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<v Speaker 5>were trying to get a nuclear bomb, and had and

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<v Speaker 5>was had been promising for a half a century to

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<v Speaker 5>wipe them out if they ever got a hold of it.

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<v Speaker 5>And you're saying to them, if you give up your

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<v Speaker 5>uranium and play ball, we're not gonna wipe you all out.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a little bit.

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<v Speaker 5>He can be friends, will help you rebuild the stuff

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<v Speaker 5>we've taken out, the dead coming up.

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<v Speaker 3>They've started they've started a streaming channel for pets in

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<v Speaker 3>China stay with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Trying to lighten the mood. I don't know. I have

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<v Speaker 2>no problem with being really dark. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>it's dark.

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<v Speaker 5>But this is a huge freaking deal, huge freaking deal.

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<v Speaker 5>This could be among the biggest deals, could end up

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<v Speaker 5>being the biggest deals of our lifetime. In terms of

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<v Speaker 5>a story. Depending on how things go tonight, it could

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<v Speaker 5>be Pearl Harbory certainly a battle of the bulgy. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>so Trump threatens every bridge, every power plant. I just

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<v Speaker 5>saw this former Secretary of State under Biden, Jake Sullivan say,

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<v Speaker 5>a national security advisor. I'll get a blinkoln and Jake

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<v Speaker 5>Sullivan mixed up.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, national security, you know what, I trade one for

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<v Speaker 3>the the a couple of numb skulls of the skinny dudes.

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<v Speaker 5>Said these would be war crimes. So did a little

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<v Speaker 5>researching around what people are saying. There are very few

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<v Speaker 5>mainstream legal experts saying this is clearly not a war crime.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course, anything mainstream is left leaning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I read a great quote the other day.

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<v Speaker 3>NGOs and think tanks exist so that journalists can get

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<v Speaker 3>a quote that expresses what they believe.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty good. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>The main not necessarily the war crime argument is as

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<v Speaker 5>Joe has already pointed out, the key idea is dual

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<v Speaker 5>use infrastructure, power plants, Bridges can be legal targets if

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<v Speaker 5>they support military operations.

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<v Speaker 2>Under the laws of war.

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<v Speaker 5>A target is allowed if it provides a definite military advantage.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, then that gets into the eye of the beholder.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, does a bridge helping people get out of

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<v Speaker 5>the city on the weekend to get to the suburb

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<v Speaker 5>give a military advantage?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you're going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Roll thanks across and it does, I guess right right.

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<v Speaker 3>You'd have to get really, really loyally to get to

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<v Speaker 3>the bottom of that.

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<v Speaker 5>One legal argument cited in a news coverage today tied

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<v Speaker 5>said infrastructure tied to military use in any way could

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<v Speaker 5>be lawful to strike.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that is pretty broad. It'd be pretty hard to

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<v Speaker 3>come up with any infrastructure that you could. You could

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<v Speaker 3>clearly make the argument it'd be impossible to use this

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<v Speaker 3>power planter bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>For any military use. Exactly. Could you even make that argument?

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<v Speaker 5>An escalating attacks on infrastructure can be a legitimate wartime tactic.

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<v Speaker 5>Such targets can qualify as lawful if they're part of

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<v Speaker 5>an enemy's war capacity, which is even beyond the farms.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you've got to knock out the power grid because

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<v Speaker 3>that's the power grid that powers that missile factory. That's

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<v Speaker 3>what I was saying before. I mean, you get into

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<v Speaker 3>this and you realize pretty quickly, all right, the people

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<v Speaker 3>in favor of it are gonna say it's not a

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<v Speaker 3>war crime. Those who are against it, they are going

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<v Speaker 3>to say it, Yeah, it is, and they'll yell at

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<v Speaker 3>each other for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Then history will move on and never talk about it again.

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<v Speaker 5>The strongest version of the defense would be if it

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<v Speaker 5>helps the military, it's a valid target, or yeah, if

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<v Speaker 5>it helps that country wage war and it's a valid target.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, what you just said makes sense. And of

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<v Speaker 2>course this will all be.

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<v Speaker 3>Settled eventually in the International Court of War Crimes. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>that's right, it doesn't exist. There isn't even a final arbiter.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it's gonna be very tiring hearing about that all

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<v Speaker 5>day long, the whole war crimes. And we will and

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<v Speaker 5>maybe for the next several days, weeks, months, or years again,

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<v Speaker 5>depending on how things go tonight. If Trump fulfills this

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<v Speaker 5>promise of wiping out a civilization, it's gonna make the papers.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and there'll be a giant refugee crisis too, so

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<v Speaker 3>that could destabilize, you know, certainly the region.

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<v Speaker 5>So I was listened to a podcast yesterday and they

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<v Speaker 5>had an Iranian reporter on this Iranian reporter said, the

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<v Speaker 5>population is still really gung ho for the strike the

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<v Speaker 5>United States is making because they hate the regime so much.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, if you were a protester at all, you

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<v Speaker 5>probably know somebody that.

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<v Speaker 2>Died practically guaranteed.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, like a close friend or family member was tortured

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<v Speaker 5>or killed just a couple of weeks ago by the regime.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure it's one of those situations where there's hardly

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<v Speaker 3>a family that wasn't touched by the hand of death.

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<v Speaker 5>So I could see why you'd give quite a bit

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<v Speaker 5>of leeway to the United States for bomb and crap

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<v Speaker 5>because you hate the regime so much. At what point

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<v Speaker 5>could that turn, do you think to where the even

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<v Speaker 5>the population that hates the regime.

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<v Speaker 2>Hates us for destroying their country so much.

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<v Speaker 3>If the grandest of Trump's threats comes true, I think

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<v Speaker 3>we're at a real tipping point for that. There's a

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<v Speaker 3>great email that's going to be part of a mailbag

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<v Speaker 3>about that. I hate to steal the thunder since I'm

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<v Speaker 3>kind of stealing the thought. But whether it's the Greenland

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<v Speaker 3>thing or Canada, or you know, a handful of other examples,

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<v Speaker 3>Trump scenes incapable of realizing, Okay, now this is unproductive,

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<v Speaker 3>this is causing more harm than good. Let's rain in

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit. Sometimes he can't find the break. It's

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<v Speaker 3>pretty tough.

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<v Speaker 5>Though, I mean, because to live in Iran, especially the

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<v Speaker 5>younger crowd, and they have so many more young people

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<v Speaker 5>as a percentage than we do. But it's very young

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<v Speaker 5>country to have a regime that murders and tortures your friends.

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<v Speaker 5>Things that have to get pretty bad before you'd be

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<v Speaker 5>upset about what happened. But if by this time tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 5>People are just stumbling around looking for water, no electricity,

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<v Speaker 5>chaos in the streets. It's anarchy. Whoever's got the guns rules.

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<v Speaker 5>You might think, you know what, it was better last week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, possible.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's possible to do the right thing in the

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<v Speaker 3>wrong way, as we've learned through various chapters of history.

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<v Speaker 2>So why Trump is the all time go bigger, go home?

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<v Speaker 2>He is go big. Whether it's making a ballroom.

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<v Speaker 5>Or taken out a civilization, whatever, whatever you're doing, go bigger,

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<v Speaker 5>go home.

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<v Speaker 3>Or expressing the desire to perhaps have a security agreement

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<v Speaker 3>with Greenland, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Or you know, criticizing someone who just died. Whatever, whatever

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<v Speaker 5>it is, go bigger, go home. I'm glad it's dead.

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<v Speaker 2>I hated it. Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I Again, I'm amazed at your capacity to laugh at

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<v Speaker 3>this stuff, because it feels like the unintended and unfortunate

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<v Speaker 3>consequences of his excesses are accumulating.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see, we'll know a lot more tomorrow. Holy crap.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and my point is the month after that, and

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<v Speaker 3>the month after that and the month after that, there

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<v Speaker 3>are a lot of stories we don't cover because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>number one, we're not the anti Trump left media and

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<v Speaker 3>they're little in the weedsy, but there are negative consequences

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<v Speaker 3>piling up in various departments of government and that sort

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<v Speaker 3>of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to figure out.

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<v Speaker 3>Do I hope he pulls back before five o'clock our

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<v Speaker 3>time on the West Coast or not, I suppose if

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<v Speaker 3>I if I'm using my rational, good person brain, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>hoping he pulls back. The kind of wants to see

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<v Speaker 3>what happened, is hoping he's follows through.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I like the idea of a demonstration strike of significance,

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<v Speaker 3>but not wiping out a civilization. You know what I'd

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<v Speaker 3>love to hear, And I got to do some digging.

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<v Speaker 3>Is an expert, like a real expert on the IRGC

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<v Speaker 3>with given their interests and their control, what will their

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<v Speaker 3>probable reaction.

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<v Speaker 2>To the various scenarios be. Because I don't know, I'll tell.

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<v Speaker 5>You what I don't want and then we can take

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<v Speaker 5>a break and get the mail bag. Here's what I

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<v Speaker 5>would This would be the worst case scenario. We do

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<v Speaker 5>take out all the bridges, all the water plants, everything.

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<v Speaker 5>You have absolute anarchy, chaos in the streets. Every country

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<v Speaker 5>on planet Earth, including our closest friends decrize it a

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<v Speaker 5>war crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>Snap polls come out, we're like eighty five percent of Americans,

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<v Speaker 5>including lots of Republicans.

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<v Speaker 3>A majority of Republicans say that was awful. Congress convenes

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<v Speaker 3>emergency sessions, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's on the table, right it is? Yeah? Wow, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>mail Bag next, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Think I'm learning leaning. It's a diversion tactic. Gonna take

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<v Speaker 5>carg Islands fully. Anyway, we'll talk more about that later.

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<v Speaker 5>Got interesting AI conversation that happened, Lots of stuf to

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<v Speaker 5>talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you can stick around.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's your freedom loving quote of the day. This one

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<v Speaker 3>from William to comes to Sherman, the Civil War general

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<v Speaker 3>on the Union winning side. I believe this is from

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<v Speaker 3>his letter to the city fathers of Atlanta. I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 3>sure of it. War is cruelty. There's no use trying

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<v Speaker 3>to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it

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<v Speaker 3>will be over. I've read most of that on the

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<v Speaker 3>air at least once. Maybe it's time to read it again.

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<v Speaker 3>There are some who debate his logic. I think he's

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely right. Mailbag drop us a note, will you mail

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<v Speaker 3>Bag at Armstrong e getty dot com. Keep it as

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<v Speaker 3>short as you can, but you know, within reason, if

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<v Speaker 3>you're brilliant, you're making great points. Ramble little. Obviously, people

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<v Speaker 3>are concerned with the war situation.

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<v Speaker 2>One of our main themes.

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan from Houston dear cold Warrior and old fancy Jack.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether Trump is right or wrong, I don't want the

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<v Speaker 3>destruction of a civilization to come down to one man.

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<v Speaker 3>Congress needs to get involved. This from another Jay in

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<v Speaker 3>San Jose. If Trump takes down the Iranian regime, it

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<v Speaker 3>will bring a prosperity to the world not seen before.

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<v Speaker 2>It opens up Gaza.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the end of Hesbelah, and Iran is sitting on

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<v Speaker 3>immense wealth.

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<v Speaker 2>It can be spent peacefully.

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<v Speaker 3>All the other countries in the regions seem to be

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<v Speaker 3>basically on board with trade, not war. Love him or

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<v Speaker 3>hate him, He saw around this corner back in his

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<v Speaker 3>first term and we're all just catching up. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 3>he's not threatening the regime will be gone by the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the day. He's threatening the civilization will be

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<v Speaker 3>gone by the end of the day. Again, Trump purbly,

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<v Speaker 3>I think this from Paolo Guys. Trump says a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of wacky stuff, and only he knows why he says it,

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<v Speaker 3>although I have to wonder here if he isn't risking

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<v Speaker 3>fairly broad support Iran the same way as undisciplined handling

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 3>of immigration enforcement turned people against him. There, and he

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<v Speaker 3>cites a couple of articles the deadline threatening the entire civilization.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, it's hard to imagine how it is to your

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<v Speaker 5>benefit to say an entire a whole civilization will die tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:13.959
<v Speaker 5>I mean that makes his other hyperbolic statements throughout all

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<v Speaker 5>the years seem like nothing, like he was just stretching

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<v Speaker 5>and getting loose, getting ready for this one. Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 5>is just because it's interesting. Oh you know what, do

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<v Speaker 5>we have time? Yeah, we'll do this one because longer

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<v Speaker 5>and save that one. Hey, big freedom and old man

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<v Speaker 5>Jack writes ed, I was a B fifty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Tail gunner back in the day.

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<v Speaker 3>While the communications for Town aircrew has certainly changed, the

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<v Speaker 3>ejection process is basically the same as when I was

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<v Speaker 3>in while I had a signal mirror and a flare gun.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure they now have encrypted satellite communications.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he talks about similar technology he uses now

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<v Speaker 3>as a private pilot as to ejection imagine being accelerated

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<v Speaker 3>from zero to forty miles per hour in one tenth

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<v Speaker 3>of a second. You sustained about wintgs of force, and

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<v Speaker 3>that can tear muscles, cause hemorrhages in the eyes, blow

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<v Speaker 3>out your ear, drums, et cetera. You're sitting on your

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<v Speaker 3>survival kit, and a half second after the rocket motor fires,

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 3>the seat kicks you out quote unquote, a seat separation

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 3>device literally kicks you in the ass to separate you

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<v Speaker 3>from the seat, which weighs a few hundred pounds. The

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<v Speaker 3>seat crashes through the ground while your parachute deploys. Ooof

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<v Speaker 3>your survival so already you are seriously traumatized as you

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<v Speaker 3>float to the ground. Your survival kit contains some signaling devices, camouflage,

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:35.800
<v Speaker 3>makeup water space blanket, fire making device, iodine tablets to

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<v Speaker 3>purify water, and an mre. It may contain a map

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<v Speaker 3>of the local area, but I'm pretty sure this is

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<v Speaker 3>now a GPS device. Also contains a small American flag,

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<v Speaker 3>a translation card that says I am an American airman

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<v Speaker 3>in multiple languages, and a couple of gold sovereigns you

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<v Speaker 3>can use to bribe the locals. Your weapon is the

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<v Speaker 3>sidearm you are flying with and you have very limited

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<v Speaker 3>ammo ah. Your flight suit has been sterilized before the mission.

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<v Speaker 3>Your name, rank, squad and patch are all put on

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<v Speaker 3>with velcro, and for a combat mission, all of that

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<v Speaker 3>comes off before you take off.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting, I didn't know that. Then. All airmen undergrows undergo

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<v Speaker 2>survival training.

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<v Speaker 3>There are basic land survival, water survival, desert survival, jungle survival,

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<v Speaker 3>and Arctic survival courses in which you take depends on

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<v Speaker 3>the environment you're expected to fly in. Obviously, there's also

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<v Speaker 3>a simulated pow camp where you are captured while trying

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<v Speaker 3>to evade. There is a solo experience any group experience

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<v Speaker 3>where they teach you various interrogation techniques and how to

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<v Speaker 3>resist them without being killed. The John Wayne name, rank,

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<v Speaker 3>serial number, data birth approach is taught, but slightly decourage

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<v Speaker 3>because it leads to a lot of torture and death.

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<v Speaker 3>The instructors speak their own made up language and they're

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<v Speaker 3>very good at stressing you physically without leaving any permanent damage.

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<v Speaker 3>They have several stress positions and mechanical torture devices that

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<v Speaker 3>you're subjected to that simulate torture. Trust me, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>take long before your muscles are quivling and you're feeling

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<v Speaker 3>the pain. There's a little let me finish this, just

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<v Speaker 3>a couple more sentences as to whether to fight or surrender.

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<v Speaker 3>You're taught to do it you think will allow for

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<v Speaker 3>the best survival. But if you fire a weapon or

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<v Speaker 3>harm the enemy, you are still combatant and the enemy

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<v Speaker 3>has the legal right to kill you.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 3>What I'm interested in is why colonel was flying this mission.

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<v Speaker 3>Once you become a senior officer, you become a planner, manager,

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<v Speaker 3>mentor to young troop center, typically considered too valuable to risk.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting. Thanks Ed. I was kind of surprised the guy

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<v Speaker 2>was a colonel. He too.

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<v Speaker 5>I was going to bring this up with Mike Leines,

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<v Speaker 5>but I thought it might be too indelicate. Is there

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<v Speaker 5>any situation where you kill yourself rather than be taken captured?

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<v Speaker 5>And I had thought about that, And then I was

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<v Speaker 5>listening to the Eisenhower book, and when Dwight Eisenhower's son

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<v Speaker 5>was in Korea, he had told his son, if you

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<v Speaker 5>ever captured, I want you to kill yourself because he

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<v Speaker 5>was worried about the son of Dwight Eisenhower being too

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<v Speaker 5>valuable a prize for the enemy. So he said, if

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<v Speaker 5>you're captured and kill yourself before they have a chance

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<v Speaker 5>to take you.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Dad, how about maybe they don't treat me too

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<v Speaker 3>bad because I am your son, and they'll parade me

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<v Speaker 3>around and use me for propaganda and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But I get to that point.

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<v Speaker 5>Could and then that was the concern, right, that they

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<v Speaker 5>captured this guy and use them for propaganda. Could it

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<v Speaker 5>be so bad that we would want them to kill

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<v Speaker 5>themselves rather than be used for propaganda? Do we do

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<v Speaker 5>that or not?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not a case by case decision. Oh boy, if.

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<v Speaker 5>You know any more about that email or a textas

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<v Speaker 5>I thought that was interesting, Dwight Eisenhower telling his son that,

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<v Speaker 5>holy crap, we got a lot more to come. If

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<v Speaker 5>you miss a segment.

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<v Speaker 3>Gets the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand Armstrong and

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