1
00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:07,800
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, so called monster mom drowns

2
00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:13,640
Speaker 1: her daughter to seven years old because she wanted alone time.

3
00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,319
Speaker 2: I'm Mascy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

4
00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:18,080
Speaker 2: being with us.

5
00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,560
Speaker 3: A Nashville mother fed up with motherhood, wanting to be

6
00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:29,040
Speaker 3: left alone, now accused of drowning her seven year old daughter.

7
00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,000
Speaker 1: When EMTs arrived, this is what happens.

8
00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,279
Speaker 4: Henderson police get a nine to one one call and

9
00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,199
Speaker 4: arrive to find mom Brandy Elliot, performing CPR on her

10
00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,640
Speaker 4: seven year old daughter along a popular trail. The girl

11
00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,960
Speaker 4: is soaking wet, having been pulled from the water fiber.

12
00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,400
Speaker 4: Elliot is taking by ambulance to a local hospital. Just

13
00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,040
Speaker 4: before noon, so all of this.

14
00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,160
Speaker 2: Happens even before lunchtime.

15
00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,880
Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel, but straight out to

16
00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,560
Speaker 1: Lauren Collin, hosts of Prime Time on YouTube.

17
00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,360
Speaker 2: Lauren, thank you for being with us. Lauren. Where did

18
00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:07,600
Speaker 2: this happen? Nancy?

19
00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:12,039
Speaker 5: This happened in Hendersonville, Tennessee, at Drake's Creek. It's about

20
00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,080
Speaker 5: a two minute walk and they walked over there. The

21
00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,800
Speaker 5: creek is very shallow, so let me understand what I'm hearing.

22
00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,920
Speaker 1: This was actually a walk away from the apartment because

23
00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:29,400
Speaker 1: when this first became known, many people assumed that the

24
00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,280
Speaker 1: little seven year old girl actually drowned in the bathtub.

25
00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,360
Speaker 2: But no, she actually.

26
00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,440
Speaker 1: Drowned in a shallow part of a lake. So what

27
00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,920
Speaker 1: exactly happened that morning?

28
00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:41,360
Speaker 2: Listen?

29
00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,640
Speaker 4: It's Saturday morning and seven year old Piper joins her

30
00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,560
Speaker 4: mother sitting on the steps outside their apartment.

31
00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,160
Speaker 2: It's just the two of them.

32
00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,680
Speaker 4: Her father, a disabled Irocky Warvette, is in the hospital.

33
00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,480
Speaker 4: The two set out for a walk along the green

34
00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,440
Speaker 4: Way next to Drake Creek. The three point nine mile

35
00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,440
Speaker 4: trail is considered an easy taking about an hour and

36
00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,120
Speaker 4: eleven minutes to complete. But instead of heading home, Mom

37
00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,800
Speaker 4: Brandy Elliot, makes a gutbridge and call two Hendersonville Police.

38
00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,160
Speaker 4: She tells them she's doing CPR on her daughter who

39
00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,600
Speaker 4: is drowned in the shallow end of the waterway again.

40
00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,959
Speaker 1: And I'll start paneling with us right now to figure

41
00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,200
Speaker 1: out what happened to this little seven year old girl.

42
00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:27,280
Speaker 1: Piper to doctor Kendall Crowns, joining us, renowned chief medical

43
00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,120
Speaker 1: examiner of Terrance County. That's Dallas Fort Worth. Plenty of

44
00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,320
Speaker 1: business at the Morgue. There a lecturer at the Esteemed

45
00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,760
Speaker 1: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall crowns the

46
00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,480
Speaker 1: shallow part of the water. I take that to be

47
00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:50,240
Speaker 1: three feet, and under shallow it could even be less.

48
00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,360
Speaker 1: It could be less than three feet. So a little

49
00:02:53,400 --> 00:03:01,280
Speaker 1: girl age seven, normally grown according to growth charts, how

50
00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:02,040
Speaker 1: tall would she be?

51
00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,760
Speaker 6: Probably about around four foot a little taller than that.

52
00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,440
Speaker 6: She'd definitely be higher than a three foot level of water,

53
00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,600
Speaker 6: so well well above that creek level.

54
00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,600
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at more surrounding that morning, It's Saturday morning.

55
00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,000
Speaker 1: Seven year old Piper joins her.

56
00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,040
Speaker 2: Mom, just the two of them.

57
00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,520
Speaker 1: The father, a disabled a rocky war vet, is in

58
00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:28,559
Speaker 1: the hospital.

59
00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:30,200
Speaker 2: Listen.

60
00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,200
Speaker 7: John Elliott was injured during his time with the Marines

61
00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,480
Speaker 7: and stays home with Piper while Brandy Elliott supports the

62
00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,600
Speaker 7: family with her job at McDonald's. When a complication of

63
00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,680
Speaker 7: his injuries lands John in the ICU, Brandy is left

64
00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,760
Speaker 7: to take care of Piper between shifts. After a week

65
00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,240
Speaker 7: in the hospital, John is stable enough to move out

66
00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,400
Speaker 7: of critical care. Piper is so excited to finally visit

67
00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,360
Speaker 7: her dad, she spends all day drawing pictures to decorate

68
00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,360
Speaker 7: his hospital room. Piper gives her dad plenty of her

69
00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,480
Speaker 7: famous hugs during the visit before Mom says it's time

70
00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:02,000
Speaker 7: to go home.

71
00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,160
Speaker 1: So let me understand, Lauren Collin, the dad who has

72
00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,920
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time raising Piper while mom is

73
00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,120
Speaker 1: at work. He's disabled. Yes, he's not there to protect her.

74
00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,120
Speaker 1: It's just her and the mom, right, correct.

75
00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,800
Speaker 5: Piper and Brandy spent time together during the period that

76
00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,279
Speaker 5: John was in the hospital, but normally John is the

77
00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:26,200
Speaker 5: stay at home dad.

78
00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,040
Speaker 2: Okay, how did the whole thing start? Listen?

79
00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,240
Speaker 8: Marine veteran John Elliott meets the love of his life,

80
00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,120
Speaker 8: Brandy and Hindersonville, Tennessee. Within a year, John has proposed

81
00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,200
Speaker 8: and the couple has a big white wedding at Grace

82
00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,719
Speaker 8: Baptist Church. Brandy's a wonderful stepmother to John's son, and

83
00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,920
Speaker 8: soon after the couple welcomes their own child, Piper. By

84
00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,360
Speaker 8: seven years old. Piper is known for her ability to

85
00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,400
Speaker 8: put a smile on anyone's face. Piper loves to dance,

86
00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,440
Speaker 8: fish with her dad, dress up as Disney princesses, and

87
00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,479
Speaker 8: binge Gordon Ramsey cooking shows.

88
00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:57,640
Speaker 2: Taking a look.

89
00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,600
Speaker 1: At Piper with her dad, I'm just wondering what type

90
00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,880
Speaker 1: of feeling of helplessness or isolation he was feeling in

91
00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:09,000
Speaker 1: the hospital. He spends every single day with daughter Piper

92
00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,600
Speaker 1: until he lands back in the hospital with a complication

93
00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:15,240
Speaker 1: due to war injuries.

94
00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:16,960
Speaker 2: No more Piper.

95
00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,560
Speaker 1: She comes to visit him, giving him all of her

96
00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:26,360
Speaker 1: drawings and big hugs, and then the two leave.

97
00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,360
Speaker 9: Listen When Brandy Elliott gets home with Piper from the hospital,

98
00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,440
Speaker 9: Elliott wants some time alone. Elliott tells Piper she'll be

99
00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,560
Speaker 9: back in a few minutes, leaves the seven year old

100
00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,839
Speaker 9: inside their apartment and sits at the bottom of the

101
00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,239
Speaker 9: stairs leading to their door.

102
00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:40,799
Speaker 3: Worried about her mom.

103
00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,680
Speaker 9: Piper follows Elliott downstairs and starts talking. Elliot gets up

104
00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,360
Speaker 9: and crosses the street to a greenway along Drake's Creek,

105
00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:48,960
Speaker 9: with Piper following behind her.

106
00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:49,880
Speaker 2: I can just see that.

107
00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:55,159
Speaker 1: Little ducks following the mommy duck. Piper's following along behind mom,

108
00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,720
Speaker 1: and why shouldn't she joining me? Renounce psychiatrist out of

109
00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,440
Speaker 1: the LA jurisdiction, Doctor Angela Arnold at angela Arnold MD

110
00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:10,440
Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Angie. So far, this sounds like a

111
00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:16,040
Speaker 1: normal mother daughter relationship. Now I guess I'm different. I

112
00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,400
Speaker 1: never want alone time once I had the twins.

113
00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:20,839
Speaker 2: You know, that's what I want.

114
00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,359
Speaker 1: I want our family together as much as we can be.

115
00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,240
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking about this mom, and she's the breadwinner

116
00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,960
Speaker 1: in the family. The husband is disabled. I'm sure he's

117
00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,080
Speaker 1: getting some sort of a disability check, but still that's

118
00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,120
Speaker 1: never enough for a family. So explain to me the

119
00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,760
Speaker 1: alone time phenomena. What does that mean?

120
00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,840
Speaker 10: You know, Nancy, I have a feeling that from what

121
00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,120
Speaker 10: you've described, she doesn't send a lot of time with

122
00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,800
Speaker 10: her daughter. The father takes care of the daughter most

123
00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,920
Speaker 10: of the time, and perhaps she you know, alone time.

124
00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,240
Speaker 10: I mean, like you said, who the heck as a

125
00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,520
Speaker 10: lone time when they have a child raised, particularly when

126
00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,800
Speaker 10: you said that the woman was going from work to

127
00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,880
Speaker 10: taking care of the child while he was in the hospital.

128
00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,360
Speaker 10: So this is not a time when any mother that

129
00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:19,200
Speaker 10: has any motherly feelings inside of her should crave alone time.

130
00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,560
Speaker 10: This is a time when she has to step up

131
00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,760
Speaker 10: and take care of her child out of necessity. So

132
00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,720
Speaker 10: I'm not quite sure what was going through her mind

133
00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,840
Speaker 10: that she thought that this was a time in her

134
00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,120
Speaker 10: life when she got to be alone when the family

135
00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,720
Speaker 10: apparently needs more support than that.

136
00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:42,480
Speaker 1: And generally speaking, doctor Angie, I'm not familiar. I've never

137
00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:47,280
Speaker 1: felt my desire to have alone time away from the twins.

138
00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:48,760
Speaker 2: I just don't feel that.

139
00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:55,040
Speaker 1: So explain what that means, not just to this mother,

140
00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,480
Speaker 1: Brandy Elliott, but in general alone time. I've got a friend,

141
00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:05,120
Speaker 1: super smart started a business a reload, a reload business relocation,

142
00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,600
Speaker 1: like a big company wants to go from New Jersey

143
00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:15,040
Speaker 1: to New Mexico. Okay, she built this company where she

144
00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,840
Speaker 1: takes on the whole corporation and moves them, finds them, schools,

145
00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,840
Speaker 1: finds them apartments, finds them, homes, the whole shebang. Okay,

146
00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,520
Speaker 1: you know what she does for alone time? When she

147
00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,640
Speaker 1: goes to the grocery store when she's not handling the

148
00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,320
Speaker 1: business that she created and goes shopping during that thirty

149
00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:38,960
Speaker 1: minutes or so, walking the grocery aisles. That's her alone time. Okay,

150
00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,000
Speaker 1: So what is the mental need for alone time?

151
00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:43,800
Speaker 2: I don't have it.

152
00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,520
Speaker 11: Explain it to Timmy, Well, Nancy, there are people who

153
00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:52,280
Speaker 11: are more introverted than extroverted, and they actually need time

154
00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,599
Speaker 11: all to themselves to recharge.

155
00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,760
Speaker 10: In other words, being around a lot of people wear

156
00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,840
Speaker 10: some out. Perhaps this woman says that she needed a

157
00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,200
Speaker 10: lone time because she had been because her routine was

158
00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:08,959
Speaker 10: different and she was having to go and see the

159
00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,079
Speaker 10: husband at the hospital, and she needed to be actually

160
00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,120
Speaker 10: alone to recharge her own batteries. And like I said,

161
00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,400
Speaker 10: people that are more introverted than extroverted do require that

162
00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:22,120
Speaker 10: kind of time.

163
00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:27,440
Speaker 1: I'm asking you for a medical opinion, because here's another example.

164
00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,800
Speaker 1: I have another friend, Okay, when she gets home, when

165
00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,440
Speaker 1: she gets home from work, she sits in her car

166
00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:40,520
Speaker 1: with the doors shut and locked in the garage which

167
00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,440
Speaker 1: is all closed, for like twenty thirty minutes before she

168
00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,040
Speaker 1: comes in. All Right, I don't know what that is.

169
00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,400
Speaker 1: Doesn't she get hot? Doesn't she worried about carbon monoxide poisoning?

170
00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,640
Speaker 1: That said, that's what I'm seeing. See I just jump

171
00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,280
Speaker 1: out and run in and boots on the ground.

172
00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,679
Speaker 2: Right, everybody's not like that.

173
00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:08,120
Speaker 1: And I'm asking you not for some vernacular you've heard,

174
00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,040
Speaker 1: let's see at your bridge club, but recharging.

175
00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,520
Speaker 2: What does it mean to take a mental break.

176
00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,480
Speaker 10: There are people that, if they are that are introverts,

177
00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,400
Speaker 10: and there are people who are extroverts. People who are

178
00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:27,520
Speaker 10: extroverts gain their energy from being around a lot of people.

179
00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,160
Speaker 10: They actually get energized from that. Okay, so Nancy, we

180
00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,600
Speaker 10: would describe you as an extrovert. You need that, you

181
00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,760
Speaker 10: don't get tired from being around people. Then there are people.

182
00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,760
Speaker 1: I don't need it, doctor Angie. I'm perfectly happy alone.

183
00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,840
Speaker 1: I lived alone for years and years in New York.

184
00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,080
Speaker 1: I never even thought about a husband, and children didn't

185
00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,320
Speaker 1: even cross my mind. Now that I've got them, it's wonderful.

186
00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,760
Speaker 1: I don't need that. Let me think of some other

187
00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,280
Speaker 1: way to pose this question. What about decompression. Does that

188
00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,360
Speaker 1: ring a bell? When your mind has to decompress from

189
00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:06,240
Speaker 1: one situation, one stressful situation, to another situation, what does

190
00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,959
Speaker 1: the brain do during that decompression period.

191
00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,360
Speaker 10: She needs the alone time because she can't take the

192
00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,960
Speaker 10: stimuli in anymore. Nancy. She said, too much stimuli coming

193
00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,040
Speaker 10: inside of her, whether it be from going to work

194
00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,480
Speaker 10: than to watching the child, to going to the hospital.

195
00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,600
Speaker 10: It was too much for this woman. So she needs

196
00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:31,120
Speaker 10: she literally needs no stimuli in order for her brain

197
00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,520
Speaker 10: to rest. And as you said, decompress, she needs a

198
00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,960
Speaker 10: lack of stimulus. That's why she had to walk outside

199
00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,520
Speaker 10: and sit on the porch. Unfortunately, that's why she walked

200
00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,679
Speaker 10: down to the lake, and her little girl didn't understand this,

201
00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,040
Speaker 10: so she followed her down there. But she needed no

202
00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,360
Speaker 10: stimuli so that her brain could rest.

203
00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,280
Speaker 1: Is that some sort of a condition, Doctor Angie Arnold,

204
00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:55,920
Speaker 1: It could be.

205
00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,640
Speaker 10: It's a condition that we definitely see in people that

206
00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,960
Speaker 10: are what we can call on the autism spectrum. They

207
00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,000
Speaker 10: cannot take in too much stimuli, they have to rest.

208
00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,960
Speaker 10: They mirrors autism. You asked me, are there conditions in

209
00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:12,920
Speaker 10: which this exists?

210
00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:13,200
Speaker 5: Yes?

211
00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,120
Speaker 10: There are. One of those conditions is the autism spectrum. Okay,

212
00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,000
Speaker 10: I didn't say she has autism, but that is a

213
00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,959
Speaker 10: condition in which this exists.

214
00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,079
Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

215
00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,080
Speaker 1: Ben Power is joining me, guys renown criminal defense attorney.

216
00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:41,079
Speaker 1: You can find him at legalpowers dot com. Ben serious question.

217
00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:46,199
Speaker 1: Could burnout be a defense? Of course it's not. I'll

218
00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,480
Speaker 1: just give you the answer right now.

219
00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,240
Speaker 2: Burnout. I'm burned out, so I killed my child?

220
00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not going to work. But could some derivative

221
00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,800
Speaker 1: of that burnout? I mean, the woman works at McDonald's

222
00:12:58,800 --> 00:12:59,400
Speaker 1: all day long.

223
00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,120
Speaker 2: Have you seen the way some customers act to McDonald's.

224
00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,160
Speaker 1: We're always seeing videos of them jumping over the counter

225
00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,720
Speaker 1: if you don't give them their condiment climbing through the utes,

226
00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:17,600
Speaker 1: forcing themselves like ejecting themselves out of the through the car,

227
00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:22,120
Speaker 1: from the car through the drive through, I mean stress, right,

228
00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,000
Speaker 1: because you're dealing with the public, does that and then

229
00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,720
Speaker 1: comes home. But typically the husband is there taking care

230
00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:35,920
Speaker 1: of Piper. Right, So during this period while he is

231
00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:41,320
Speaker 1: in the hospital Iraqi Warvett, she's working and taking care

232
00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:42,160
Speaker 1: of Piper.

233
00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,200
Speaker 2: Burnout.

234
00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,560
Speaker 1: Ain't gonna cut it, okay, for lack of a better phrase,

235
00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,360
Speaker 1: But could it be spun out? You know, like rumpelstilts

236
00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:53,400
Speaker 1: could just spin.

237
00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,920
Speaker 2: Out that straw and get gold. Is there a way

238
00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,600
Speaker 2: to spin that out to a defense?

239
00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,480
Speaker 12: So you're gonna have to anchor that to mental health

240
00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,960
Speaker 12: condition to show that she essentially just snapped, because to

241
00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,040
Speaker 12: be able to establish an inanity.

242
00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,240
Speaker 1: When I'm sorry, you made me choke on my tee.

243
00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,640
Speaker 1: Did Ben Powers, who's won a lot of cases in court,

244
00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,120
Speaker 1: did he actually just say snapped? That's a show on

245
00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,280
Speaker 1: Oxygen snapped. Okay, that's not a real defense. I don't

246
00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:23,600
Speaker 1: care what Oxygen tells you.

247
00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:24,640
Speaker 2: I snapped.

248
00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,040
Speaker 1: I snap about fifty times a day. But it is

249
00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:33,960
Speaker 1: not a defense to murder ben, So you didn't snap.

250
00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,760
Speaker 2: On me, because I know that's not a defense.

251
00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,440
Speaker 12: Well, so snap to a pronounced degree to where you disassociate,

252
00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,920
Speaker 12: you become delusional, you don't appreciate what's going on in

253
00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,720
Speaker 12: that moment. Not snapped as in a frustration about the day,

254
00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,920
Speaker 12: but snap truly you have an out of body experience,

255
00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,240
Speaker 12: almost to where you don't fully appreciate what you're doing

256
00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,040
Speaker 12: as you're doing it. Because that's the nature of an

257
00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,160
Speaker 12: insanity defense, is that there's a serious meta condition or

258
00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,360
Speaker 12: mental health condition or mental health defect, and because of

259
00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,960
Speaker 12: that mental health defect, you don't appreciate the seriousness of

260
00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,840
Speaker 12: your current actions in that moment. So if the strain

261
00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,120
Speaker 12: of her day somehow exacerbated a mental health condition to

262
00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,720
Speaker 12: where she snapped in the sense of disassociated from the

263
00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,040
Speaker 12: situation while she was doing what she did, then that

264
00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,240
Speaker 12: could be the grounds for an insanity defense.

265
00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,360
Speaker 1: In this situation, that's a lot of woulda could have,

266
00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,880
Speaker 1: should have, a lot of ifs, but Maybe's listen.

267
00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,600
Speaker 9: When Brandy Elliott gets home with Piper from the hospital,

268
00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,680
Speaker 9: Elliott wants some time alone. Elliott tells Piper she'll be

269
00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,720
Speaker 9: back in a few minutes, leaves the seven year old

270
00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,040
Speaker 9: inside their apartment and sits at the bottom of the

271
00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,480
Speaker 9: stairs leading to their door. Worried about her mom, Piper

272
00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,000
Speaker 9: follows Elliott downstairs and starts talking. Elliott gets up and

273
00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,760
Speaker 9: crosses the street to a greenway along Brake's Creek, with

274
00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,200
Speaker 9: Piper following behind her.

275
00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,600
Speaker 3: The mother allegedly tells police she was having a bad

276
00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,320
Speaker 3: day and Piper would not give her what she wanted,

277
00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,120
Speaker 3: time alone.

278
00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:06,920
Speaker 2: Time alone.

279
00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:12,160
Speaker 1: Now Piper's dead, and according to reports, her mother, Brandy Elliot,

280
00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,360
Speaker 1: compared her daughter to a let me make sure I've

281
00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:21,800
Speaker 1: got this right, a large mouthed bass in the water.

282
00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:22,840
Speaker 2: Listen.

283
00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,840
Speaker 8: Seven year old Piper continues following behind her mom on

284
00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,800
Speaker 8: the trail and asks where they're going several times. Then

285
00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,120
Speaker 8: Elliott grabs Piper by the wrist and leads her down

286
00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,840
Speaker 8: to the creek. Elliott holds Piper's head under the water

287
00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,200
Speaker 8: and tells her to be quiet. When Piper finally stops struggling,

288
00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,320
Speaker 8: Elliott pulls her from the water and starts CPR and

289
00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,840
Speaker 8: calls nine to one one. Piper is rushed to try

290
00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,360
Speaker 8: Star Centennial Medical Center, but it's too late. The little

291
00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,520
Speaker 8: girl dies and mom, Brandy Elliott, is immediately arrested for murder.

292
00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,560
Speaker 1: Okay, these comments didn't help at all, Lauren Collins joining me,

293
00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:01,200
Speaker 1: investigative reporter and star a primetime crime on YouTube.

294
00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:01,800
Speaker 2: Lauren.

295
00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:07,359
Speaker 1: Apparently, the mom stated her daughter was like a large

296
00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:12,720
Speaker 1: mouth bass under the water and that she held her mother,

297
00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,800
Speaker 1: Brandy Elliot, the so called monster mom holds her daughter

298
00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,880
Speaker 1: under the water Piper until she quote felt her bubbling.

299
00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm getting this from court documents. What can you tell me,

300
00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,560
Speaker 1: Lauren Colin, Yes.

301
00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,960
Speaker 5: In addition to that, Nancy, it absolutely discussed me. I mean,

302
00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,400
Speaker 5: I have an eight year old daughter. I can't even imagine.

303
00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:38,080
Speaker 5: But the reports actually say that Brandy tried to shush

304
00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,440
Speaker 5: her daughter as she was holding her down.

305
00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,280
Speaker 2: She actually was like shush, shush, shush.

306
00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,080
Speaker 5: She wanted to get her to stop making noise, stop struggling,

307
00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,080
Speaker 5: and so I believe once she realized Piper was gone.

308
00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,600
Speaker 5: I'm obviously not a doctor, but she snapped out of it.

309
00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,320
Speaker 5: She realized what she did, and then she called nine

310
00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:57,360
Speaker 5: to one one.

311
00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,560
Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment, you, Lauren colinenpowers keep bringing

312
00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,440
Speaker 1: up the verb snap, using it as some sort of defense.

313
00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,840
Speaker 1: You claimed, you stated, Lauren Colin, and I just want

314
00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,800
Speaker 1: to be very clear about this that when she after

315
00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,880
Speaker 1: she snapped and she came out of it, came out

316
00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,840
Speaker 1: of what she told her daughter, I want alone time,

317
00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,920
Speaker 1: go away, leave me alone.

318
00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,840
Speaker 2: She comes then from the hospital.

319
00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:30,440
Speaker 1: She's driving perfectly fine, she's talking to the daughter, they're communicating,

320
00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,800
Speaker 1: she decides to go for a walk. Everything's fine until

321
00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,320
Speaker 1: she quote gets fed up.

322
00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,400
Speaker 2: Her words, not my words.

323
00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,919
Speaker 1: That is not snapping, and then you come out of it.

324
00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,919
Speaker 1: I'm fed up right now because none of this is

325
00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:51,439
Speaker 1: a defense for drowning your daughter, your seven year old daughter,

326
00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:56,119
Speaker 1: and comparing her to a large mouth bass.

327
00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:57,720
Speaker 3: I agree.

328
00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:58,640
Speaker 2: I agree.

329
00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,000
Speaker 5: I just think that when something is so horrific like

330
00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,080
Speaker 5: this that we don't know what else to think except

331
00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:09,320
Speaker 5: for something came over this woman, something happened inside her brain.

332
00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:10,320
Speaker 12: That didn't happen before.

333
00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:13,120
Speaker 2: It's just so.

334
00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:20,360
Speaker 1: Horrific, Colin, something came over this woman. If that were

335
00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,719
Speaker 1: a defense, everybody in Riker's right now would be walking

336
00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,600
Speaker 1: free because something.

337
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:27,040
Speaker 2: Came over them.

338
00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:28,719
Speaker 4: That's what you know a lawyer.

339
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 1: I remember a rapist told me he broke into a home.

340
00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,320
Speaker 2: And the woman came out and went, oh who are you?

341
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,679
Speaker 1: And quote my little nature got up. Oh god, and

342
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:45,040
Speaker 1: he raped her. Something just came over him. Yes, an erection,

343
00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 1: that's what happened. And now she's dead. Okay, something came

344
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:55,199
Speaker 1: over me. That's not a defense. Even Ben Powers, veteran

345
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,840
Speaker 1: trial lawyer, cannot spin something came over that woman into

346
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,000
Speaker 1: defense empowers.

347
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,120
Speaker 2: Please tell me you cannot.

348
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,280
Speaker 12: Well, so the dovetail off what Lauren was saying. She's

349
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 12: the type of jury that I would want a trial

350
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,359
Speaker 12: because she's able to understand that this is so unhuman,

351
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,360
Speaker 12: so counter to being a child's mother, that there must

352
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 12: be something wrong, because there's no other logical explanation other

353
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,360
Speaker 12: than there's a disassociation. There's some kind of disconnect by

354
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 12: the mother in that moment, because it's so horrific to

355
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:26,880
Speaker 12: think that.

356
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,040
Speaker 10: Capable of this.

357
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 1: Your heasin So okay, you see a woman I guess

358
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,960
Speaker 1: been powers charged with murder and you immediately play the

359
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,639
Speaker 1: mom card with the jury. I know where you're coming from.

360
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 1: Did you hear that, Lauren Colin? I hope you're proud

361
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 1: because he wants you, the defense attorney wants.

362
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 2: You on the jury. You know what.

363
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 1: Let me go to Julie Gates joining us Major Law enforcement,

364
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 1: crime scene investigator, forensic science program coordinator instructor at Southern

365
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 1: Crescent College.

366
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 2: Julie Gates, thank you for being with us. Could you

367
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,919
Speaker 2: explain the evidence in this case?

368
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: Am I the only Am I the only one that

369
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,919
Speaker 1: believes that snapped and something came over her? Is not

370
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 1: a defense? I mean, think about it, Julie Gates. How

371
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,400
Speaker 1: long it takes, which I'm going to have to get

372
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 1: from doctor Kendall Crown's how long it typically takes for

373
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 1: someone to die of drowning.

374
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 2: That's how long.

375
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 1: You know, Julie, You've heard this argue to many a jury.

376
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 1: Intent can be formed and the twinkling of the moment,

377
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 1: the blink of an eye, the time it takes you

378
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: hold a gun and pull the trigger that fast. It

379
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,640
Speaker 1: does not require some long drawn out plans, such as

380
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: poisoning someone over a period of weeks or months.

381
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 2: It can be formed.

382
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 1: Just like that, she held a child under the water

383
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 1: until she was quote Bubbling told her to quote her words,

384
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: be quiet, and that the child looked like a large

385
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: mouth bas under the water.

386
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 2: That's plenty of time to form intent, and she clearly

387
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 2: knew she was doing. Help me, Julie, I agree with

388
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 2: you totally.

389
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 13: I knew think she knew what she was doing the

390
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 13: whole time. And if i'm the doctor, can correct me

391
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 13: on this. But I think it takes anywhere from three

392
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 13: to five minutes to drown, so you at least have

393
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 13: three to five minutes she's holding her under that water.

394
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 13: I am not a parent myself, but I know you

395
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 13: just don't have time. I have a needy dog. I

396
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 13: know it's not a comparison to a child, but this

397
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 13: dog requires attention from the time I get up in

398
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 13: the morning to the time I get go to bed

399
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 13: at night. So I mean the same with kids. And

400
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 13: like I said, I'm not a mom, but my mom

401
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 13: had three children and I'm an identical twin, so I

402
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 13: know she had it.

403
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 2: I know you have to be a mom to understand stress.

404
00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: And your job with major law enforcement crime scene investigator,

405
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: you have a lot of stress because if you screw up,

406
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: the wrong person could go to jail, or nobody goes

407
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: to jail, the right person doesn't go to jail, So

408
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: that's a lot of stress. It doesn't matter what the

409
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: stress is. Stress equals stress. It's a common denominator with

410
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 1: all of us. But do you ever want to just

411
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: strangle your dog and kill him.

412
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 13: Nope, I sure don't.

413
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 2: I love her to death.

414
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: Before you get too deep into the fear feelings about

415
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: your dog, I want you to hear how this mother,

416
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: if she can be called that changes her story.

417
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 9: Speaking with Hendersonville Police after her arrest, Brandy Elliott says

418
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 9: she was having a rough day and Piper would not

419
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 9: give her what she wanted, time alone. Elliott says she

420
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 9: held Piper under the water quote like a large mouthed bass,

421
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 9: until there were bubbles. Elliott claims she then realized what

422
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 9: she had done, started CPR and called for help.

423
00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, did you hear her state that I

424
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: held her underwater like a large mouth bass until she

425
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: was bubbling, in other words, the bubbles coming out of

426
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: her daughter's mouth, and then they quit because she had

427
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: a quote rough day and because she was quote fed up.

428
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 10: So, Nancy, if I may have a minute to explain

429
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 10: something to the viewers. There are five reasons that have

430
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 10: been identified by someone named doctor phil Resnik, who's a

431
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 10: famous psychiatrist. There are five motives or reasons for someone

432
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 10: to kill their child, and that's called philicide. One of

433
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 10: the reasons is what two of the guests have been describing,

434
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 10: and that is acute psychosis. There can be there and

435
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 10: that is what they are describing as snapped. Okay, if

436
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 10: the mother has been under a tremendous amount of stress,

437
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 10: if she also has a history of a mental illness,

438
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,479
Speaker 10: she can have an acute psychosis that over because of

439
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 10: that stress she can be having Typically they're having command

440
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 10: hallucinations that tell her to hurt the child. That is

441
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 10: one of the five reasons for philicide. The other ones

442
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 10: aren't really The other ones aren't appropriate here and unwanted child,

443
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 10: fatal maltreatment, altruism. In other words, you think the child

444
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 10: will be better off dead than alive, and spousal revenge.

445
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 10: That's the rarest reason for philocide in this case. As

446
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 10: two guests have described the snap, she could have become

447
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 10: acutely psychotic. And as we've said on many other shows before,

448
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 10: people can come in and out of psychosis. So she

449
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 10: described we know that she was stressed this day, something

450
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 10: stressed her out. We also know that she has a

451
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 10: history of a mental illness, So could she have acutely

452
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 10: become psychotic because the little girl would not leave her

453
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 10: alone and she drowned.

454
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: She was asked in court, as was her lawyer, do

455
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: you want a mental competency or insanity test?

456
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: The lawyer and she the mom said no.

457
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: She has no history of depression other than seven years before.

458
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: When she had postpartum.

459
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: There was no hallucination, which is one of your reasons

460
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: that you cite for killing your child. She had no

461
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: mental illness. She had never complained of mental illness. She

462
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: has been observed by the court. No mental illness.

463
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: There was no.

464
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 1: Altruistic reason, which is one of the reasons you mentioned,

465
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: and there was no spousal revenge. To go forward in

466
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: advance to theory that you are stating acute psychosis, a jury

467
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: would have to believe that she went into psychosis immediately

468
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: when her daughter wanted attention, and then was out of

469
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: that psychosis twenty minutes later, when AMT's arrived Crime Stories

470
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace.

471
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 4: Henderson police get a nine to one one call and

472
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 4: arrive to find mom Brandy Elliott, performing CPR on her

473
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 4: seven year old daughter along a popular trail. The girl

474
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 4: is soaking wet, having been pulled from the water piper.

475
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 4: Elliot is taking by ambulance to a local hospital.

476
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 3: Just before noon, Brandy Elliott reportedly tells her daughter Piper

477
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 3: to be quiet as she holds her underwater quote like

478
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 3: a large mouthed bass.

479
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: And what about the dad lying in the hospital? The

480
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 2: Iraqi war.

481
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 8: Vet listen Marine veteran John Elliott meets the love of

482
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 8: his life, Brandy in Hindersonville, Tennessee. Within a year, John

483
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 8: has proposed and the couple has a big white wedding

484
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 8: at Grace Baptist Church. Brandy's a wonderful stepmother to johns

485
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 8: and soon after the couple welcomes their own child, Piper.

486
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 8: By seven years old, Piper is known for her ability

487
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 8: to put a smile on anyone's face. Piper loves to dance,

488
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 8: fish with her dad, dress up as Disney princesses, and

489
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 8: binge Gordon Ramsey cooking shows. John Elliott was injured during

490
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 8: his time with the Marines and stays home with Piper,

491
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 8: while Brandy Elliott supports the family with her job at McDonald's.

492
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 8: When a complication of his injuries lands John in the ICU,

493
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 8: Brandy is left to take care of Piper between shifts.

494
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 8: After a week in the hospital, John is stable enough

495
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 8: to move out of critical care Piper is so excited

496
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 8: to finally visit her dad, she spends all day drawing

497
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 8: pictures to decorate his hospital room.

498
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: Take a listen to what he has to say. This

499
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: is from our friends at WTVF.

500
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 7: They came into my room and told me that she'd

501
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 7: drown Her Mom's going to jail.

502
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: I'm proud of the little girl I raised. I'm just

503
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: sad she's gone.

504
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 9: I'm sirking with Hendersonville police after her arrest, Brandy Elliott

505
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 9: says she was having a rough day and Piper would

506
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 9: not give her what she wanted. Time alone. Elliott says

507
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 9: she held Piper under the water quote like a large

508
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 9: mouthed bass, until they were bubbles. Elliott claims she then

509
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 9: realized what she had done, started CPR and called for.

510
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: Help, joining me in All Star panel.

511
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: But back to doctor Kendall, Crown's chief medical Examiner Arrant County.

512
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: Doctor crowns, I, not just anecdotally, but statistically, have learned

513
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: that very often when mothers kill their children, it is

514
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: through drowning.

515
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: Have you observed that, Yes.

516
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 6: They have. Over the course of my career, I've seen

517
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 6: several instances where mothers have drowned their children. Also drug

518
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 6: them and stabbed them as well. But drowning is a

519
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 6: fairly common.

520
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: One, you know, doctor kindall Crowns. I've noticed that, and

521
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: this is allso statistical. I can follow this up with

522
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 1: Julie Gates, doctor kindall Crowns. I've noticed that when women

523
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: commit murder, very often it's a quote soft kill. In

524
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: other words, there's not stabbing. I mean sometimes there is,

525
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: but typically there's not. There's not stabbing, there's not shooting.

526
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: There's a lot of poisoning, a lot of drowning, a

527
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: lot of suffocation, but not like clubbing the victim dead,

528
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: such as Ted Bundy did in the Coyomega House.

529
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: Have you noticed that as well. I learned this before.

530
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: I observed it when I was reading method and Assessment

531
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: of homicide and suicide. There is absolutely a statistical correlation

532
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: between drowning and mothers that kill. I don't understand it.

533
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm not a shrink, but I know it to be true.

534
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: And you're saying you have witnessed that as well.

535
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: It's correct.

536
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 6: Usually males have a higher level of brutality when they

537
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 6: kill an individual and females don't, so, especially with the

538
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 6: individuals where they of their own child. We don't see

539
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 6: the extreme examples of violence, although occasionally with individuals with

540
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 6: mental illness there will be a high level of mutilation

541
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 6: and things of that nature, but typically it's a drowning

542
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 6: or poisoning.

543
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: How long would it take for a child to drown for.

544
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 6: Anyone, So in this situation with the mom pushing her underwater,

545
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 6: child's struggling. So because she's struggling, she's going to use

546
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 6: up oxygen quicker, so she may begin her mind will

547
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 6: actually become starved of oxygen and will force her to breathe.

548
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 6: That could happen after about thirty seconds to at the

549
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 6: far outside three minutes. Once your mind forces you to breathe,

550
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 6: you inhale all that water in and then you vomit

551
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 6: the water back out. You inhale it again, and you

552
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 6: pass out in about thirty seconds, and then after the

553
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 6: five minute mark you're pretty much brain dead. So you're

554
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 6: looking at a total process from start to finish about

555
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 6: anywhere from three to five five minutes.

556
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: Doctor Tundel crowns. What would the drowning victim experience during

557
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: the drowning.

558
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 6: Well, they would be conscious, they would be afraid because

559
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 6: they're forced underwater, they'd be trying to hold their breath

560
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 6: while struggling to get back above the surface to get

561
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 6: to air, and then finally their brain is going to

562
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 6: force them to breathe in and at that point you're

563
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 6: going to inhale all that oxygen and gag and begin

564
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 6: vomiting it back out and then go into unconsciousness. So

565
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 6: it'd be a lot of fear for about that three

566
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 6: to five minute brain.

567
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: Three to five minute And what happens to the human

568
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: brain when they're deprived of oxygen.

569
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 6: It basically, when the brain's deprived of oxygen, the brain

570
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 6: will want oxygen so will force you to breathe of course,

571
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 6: and as it can't get oxygen, it will make you

572
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 6: go unconscious.

573
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: Piper's father, John Elliott, a disabled Iraq war veteran, says

574
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: I will miss my baby girl forever.

575
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: Not in the first time a child has been murdered

576
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: by mom. Of course, she's innocent under our jurisprudence until

577
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Will a jury by

578
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: a defense that mommy snapped after she says she was

579
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: quote fed up and had a quote bad day and

580
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: held her daughter under the water like a quote large

581
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: mouth bass that will be up to a jury. And then,

582
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: and only then, if they return a guilty verdict, will

583
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: she be in fact a killer? It's a technical legal

584
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: term of art. Will a jury by it? I don't know,

585
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: but I do know. This is not the first time

586
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: a child has been drowned at the hands of their

587
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: own mom. For instance, let's take Esperanza Harding.

588
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 14: Esperanza Harding is trying to enjoy a bath when her

589
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 14: eighth month old son, Matteo starts crying inconsolably from his

590
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 14: play in Harding's hotel room. Tired of his incessant screams,

591
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 14: Harting drowns Mateo in her drawn bath, then sends a

592
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 14: picture of the baby floating face down to her boyfriend.

593
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 14: The boyfriend comes to the hotel room and helps Herding

594
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 14: shove Mateo's body in a backpack, then suggests she throw

595
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 14: the bag in a dumpster like she's just taking out

596
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 14: the trash.

597
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: Wow, did you hear that?

598
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: Doctor Angie es Bron's a Hearting drowned her child because

599
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: he quote ruined her bath.

600
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 10: Again, Nancy, it can these. First of all, it's different

601
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 10: when it happens to an eight month old baby versus

602
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 10: a seven year old child. The conditions can be different.

603
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 10: This woman could have been suffering from some sort of

604
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 10: post part of depression. The baby's under a year old.

605
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 10: She could have also become acutely psychotic. She may have

606
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 10: not wanted the child. We don't know, right, but these

607
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 10: are things that mothers do to their child when they're

608
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 10: not well and when they are very stressed. Apparently she

609
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 10: was taking a bath to rest. The baby bothered her,

610
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 10: we may say pushed her over the edge, but what

611
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 10: we do know is she was very stressed.

612
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: Then there is Karina Mustafa. Listen.

613
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 14: Karina Mustafa comes out to the front porch where her

614
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 14: husband is playing with their toddler, and immediately starts yelling, Dad,

615
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 14: let the baby play in a plant he knocked over

616
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 14: and the toddler is covered in potting soil. Mustafa scoops

617
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 14: up the child and runs to the bathroom, locking the

618
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 14: door behind her. When Mustafa's husband manages to open the door,

619
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 14: he finds his wife holding their child under the water.

620
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 14: Dad performs CPR and the child is stabilized at the hospital.

621
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 14: Karina Mustafa charged with aggravated child abuse.

622
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: Well, Doc Dorangie, the baby did it again.

623
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: This time the baby knocked over a potted plant and

624
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: got money, so the mom.

625
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: Just try to kill it. I guess that's postpartum depression.

626
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 10: Nancy. I know that you and I have all and

627
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 10: disagreed on this, okay, and I think that we always will.

628
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 10: And yes, I think that there are evil people in

629
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 10: the world, and I do believe that it is often

630
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 10: driven by some form of mental illness. Sees these acts

631
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 10: that these women perform.

632
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: And then there's the mother of all child killers who

633
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: kills both of her little boys because she wanted sex.

634
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: Listen, my love.

635
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 9: And he's a lady who come on at door, and

636
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 9: he's some guy that jump into a red light with

637
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 9: her car with her two.

638
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: Kids in it.

639
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: It ain't took off and he got out of call

640
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,479
Speaker 1: here at Ohio and he's got.

641
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: A Mayo let her call and I don't see Ruth

642
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 2: and I.

643
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 3: Need to go along, you know, down here and a car.

644
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,959
Speaker 13: But we need to add we kind of acting up.

645
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 12: A magnal protege.

646
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 15: What color was it?

647
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: A burgundy magnal protege.

648
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: We don't get him, going pay him.

649
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 15: They got two Susan Smith has been arrested and we'll

650
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 15: be charged with two counts of murder in connection with

651
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 15: the death of her children, Michael three and Alexander fourteen months.

652
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 15: It was a vehicle, a nineteen ninety Masda driven by Smith,

653
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 15: was located late Thursday afternoon in Lake John de Long,

654
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 15: near Union.

655
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: To Lauren Colin, investigative reporter Lauren Colin, that's how a

656
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: lot of women get away with murder, because it's very

657
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: hard to imagine. When I think of my mom, I

658
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: think about nothing but love and sacrifice. What she did

659
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 1: to get us three through and put us through college,

660
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: and put us through grad school, and to this day,

661
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: sacrificing herself for us. When you see a woman sitting

662
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: at the defense council table, you know that the child

663
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: is dead, you can't help but think of your own

664
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: mother in your mind. That's how tap mom walked, according

665
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: to me. But Lauren Conlin, is there any evidence in

666
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: this case other than postpartum depression that this woman, Brandy

667
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: Elliott had after her child was born of mental illness.

668
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 5: Nancy August nineteen. Brandy Elliott appeared too bad against the

669
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 5: wall of her jail cell allegedly and then dive head

670
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 5: first from the top bunk to the concrete cell floor. Again,

671
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 5: I'm not a doctor, but is that mental illness? It

672
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 5: appears that she wanted to harm herself, so we could

673
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 5: consider that perhaps.

674
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: Okay, I appreciate your civilian diagnosis of a woman who

675
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: wants to get out of general population and a woman

676
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: who has no history at all a mental illness. Now

677
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: behind bars and kit, could I point out also, Lauren Colin,

678
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: while you're talking about that, let's talk about her reaction

679
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: when she found out she could get the death penalty.

680
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: Take a listen.

681
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 7: At a bond hearing, Brandy Elliott sobs when she is

682
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 7: informed that she could possibly face the death penalty. Elliott

683
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 7: tells the judge she is not currently seen a mental

684
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 7: health professional, but previously obtained medication for postpartum depression when

685
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 7: Piper was two. Elliott says she lost it similarly to

686
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 7: what happened this time and could not sleep. Elliott was

687
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 7: treated at TriStar Centennial Medical Center, the same hospital where

688
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 7: Piper is pronounced dead.

689
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: Five years later, is the death penalty on the table

690
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 3: for the fed up mom who held her seven year

691
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 3: old daughter's head underwater until she drowned. Piper's family starts

692
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 3: a memorial along a greenway for the little girl and

693
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 3: want to turn the area into Piper's Pathway to honor

694
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 3: her memory.

695
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds, but now we remember American

696
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: hero Marine interdiction Agent Michael Masetta, US Department Homeland Security,

697
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: shot and killed in the line of duty. Masetta served

698
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 1: with US Customs and Border Protection over seven years. Survived

699
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: by a grieving daughters, parents, and a sister. American hero

700
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: Marine interdiction Agent michel O Masetta. Nancy Grace signing off

701
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: goodbye friend.