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Speaker 2: as we get into today's episode, I told y'all therapy works.
Speaker 2: And you know, I've been through a lot in my life,
Speaker 2: a lot in my career, and to bring this guy
Speaker 2: on with some of the wrong he's done in my life,
Speaker 2: it's a big step for me in my journey. But
Speaker 2: today's Yes, he's an eleven year NBA veteran, two times
Speaker 2: NBA champion as a player. He is an NBA champion
Speaker 2: as a coach, which we do not want to talk
Speaker 2: about here.
Speaker 3: One of the best coaches in the league.
Speaker 1: First shore, bar None, I got a lot of respect
Speaker 1: for quite honestly, one of the coaches I hate playing against.
Speaker 2: And we'll get into that a little bit. We have
Speaker 2: our little banters. I talked junk Toy, but.
Speaker 1: None other coach of the Los Angeles Clippers, t lou
Speaker 1: What's how you love.
Speaker 3: My guy? What's happening? What's up? What's coach Laco at?
Speaker 4: My dog?
Speaker 2: My dog is a coach, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: We came in the league together. You got all them
Speaker 2: gray hairs.
Speaker 5: Years old, and I'm coaching now twenty six years later.
Speaker 5: I'm coaching like I would never thought I'd be coaching, man.
Speaker 5: But it's been a blessing. You know, the game of
Speaker 5: basketball has been a blessing for all of us. And
Speaker 5: then just to you know, turn the chapter from being
Speaker 5: a player to being a coach. Man, it's really putting
Speaker 5: me in a great position. Like I said, basketball is everything,
Speaker 5: you know. You know, I wouldn't know what to do
Speaker 5: ify they playball, like I said, or if I wasn't coaching.
Speaker 2: So it's everything, man. Just you know, just to speak
Speaker 2: about coaching, you know what I mean? Uh, you know,
Speaker 2: you one of the best coaches in the league.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Man, You're an NBA champion, and I would like to
Speaker 2: kick the show off by talking about, let's get into
Speaker 2: this Cavs Warriors situation and is this the first time
Speaker 2: you ever talked about this? Sorry, Jake, come on, you
Speaker 2: know that was coming listen. Was the fastball, the amount
Speaker 2: of times I see T Lou like I see T
Speaker 2: Lou at private events.
Speaker 1: We are part of the same family, like like, we've
Speaker 1: never spoke about this, and the fact that we starting
Speaker 1: this podcast and that's what you want to talk about.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm one today.
Speaker 1: Y'all could have took Draymond Green out of the show today.
Speaker 1: This just could have been the Baron Davis.
Speaker 2: Show today if that's what you wanted to start this
Speaker 2: just show off talking about it. But since you want
Speaker 2: to talk about it, let's talk about it. Let's talk
Speaker 2: about Let's talk about it.
Speaker 4: Teelor when you worried.
Speaker 2: The first two games, especially the last time y'all saw
Speaker 2: the Warriors in the finals. They won the last three
Speaker 2: games and then Draymond you can talk about, you know,
Speaker 2: in the finals, how y'all felt the first two games.
Speaker 2: But you know, coach walk us through this series. You
Speaker 2: know what was the mentality and feel free because you
Speaker 2: say whatever you want?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: You know, like, well, for me, it was like, you know,
Speaker 5: you go through the you know, you go through the
Speaker 5: Eastern Conference, you know, and you know it's a different
Speaker 5: style of basketball. Until you actually play the Golden State
Speaker 5: Warriors and see the speed and the pace that they
Speaker 5: play with. You can't duplicate it, you know. And we
Speaker 5: had a lot of time to prepare it, but you can't.
Speaker 5: You can't prepare for the speed, can't prepare for the
Speaker 5: shot making and how hard they run their stuff, you know.
Speaker 5: And so when we got to Golden State for those
Speaker 5: first two games, man, we couldn't keep like we were
Speaker 5: just like they were just.
Speaker 6: Playing so fast and so fast.
Speaker 5: And what happens is a lot of people get you know,
Speaker 5: they go crazy about the threes that clay and stuff,
Speaker 5: whatever's gonna make with you lose sight of shit.
Speaker 6: They got sixty points in the pain.
Speaker 5: Because you wanted the step if you're trying to do
Speaker 5: and now you got Drake, you know, one of the
Speaker 5: best passes in the league.
Speaker 6: You soon as you go out to help step, they slip,
Speaker 6: They getting dunks and getting layups, and so you kind
Speaker 6: of lose sight of everything else because you're so worried
Speaker 6: about Clay and Steph you know, coming off screens. And
Speaker 6: so those first two games, like it was hard to
Speaker 6: make adjustice because.
Speaker 3: It was blood.
Speaker 6: Four or so, like how do you really adjust?
Speaker 5: But you know, I think the adjustment we made was
Speaker 5: it was really good for us, because you know, you play,
Speaker 5: you think about we're gonna switch everything, you know we
Speaker 5: want to, and they just picked you apart, an pick
Speaker 5: you apart, so you know, look at the film.
Speaker 6: Over and over and over again.
Speaker 5: When game three came, I said, you know what we're
Speaker 5: gonna We're only gonna switch Steph and Clay's when when
Speaker 5: they come together and splits everybody else, We're gonna just
Speaker 5: drop back. You chase and follow, and then we'll protect you.
Speaker 5: Like if if Barbosa pops back, if Egal Dollar pops back,
Speaker 5: if Sean Liberston pops back, we'll live with the results.
Speaker 6: But you can't like switch everybody. They were just too good.
Speaker 6: And if you got j R.
Speaker 5: Smith chasing Steph full speed and now you gotta stop
Speaker 5: and kept trying to go back, it was too much.
Speaker 6: And so like listen, if Stephan and Clay come together, switch,
Speaker 6: If not, you're on your own.
Speaker 5: You got Steph and you got Clay and that really
Speaker 5: helped us out, you know a lot. And so what
Speaker 5: people don't understand is like after the first two games,
Speaker 5: I didn't show film like because you know, because sometime
Speaker 5: I'm brown and be you upset and he in the
Speaker 5: back rolling his eyes. You know what, I'm gonna stay
Speaker 5: positive everything we do. We shot half course shots, we
Speaker 5: just did a lot of different stuff. And then when
Speaker 5: we won Game three, then that was a game I
Speaker 5: kind of showed all our mistakes. Well, we need to
Speaker 5: clean up, we need to get better at because when
Speaker 5: you win a game, it's easier to kind of show
Speaker 5: that stuff. So they came back at one game four
Speaker 5: film and so I baff was like, man, what the
Speaker 5: hell is Timely doing. I'm like, bro, you don't understand,
Speaker 5: Like she just just relaxed like I got you know,
Speaker 5: and so but it was it was, I mean, playing
Speaker 5: them every single night, man, Like you know, it's just tough,
Speaker 5: like the pace they play at.
Speaker 6: People don't understand until you actually get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know, speaking up, well, j I'll
Speaker 2: let you talk in a minute, but uh, speaking up
Speaker 2: on game four one of the biggest turning points in
Speaker 2: the series.
Speaker 4: And then you find out.
Speaker 2: Dre Man wasn't gonna play game five, Like, what was
Speaker 2: the adjustments, like, you know, going from game four to
Speaker 2: game five, because once y'all, once y'all tied it up.
Speaker 2: I like watching the series because I felt like every
Speaker 2: game after Game three, it was like somebody went back
Speaker 2: and made key adjustments to make the game that must
Speaker 2: stick here, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, so, you know, they win game four,
Speaker 5: you know, and I thought we played, you know, good
Speaker 5: enough to win, but they win Game four, and then
Speaker 5: we got to go back to Golden State, you know,
Speaker 5: for game five, and then we get the news that
Speaker 5: you know, Draymond's gonna be out. So for us, that
Speaker 5: was something for us like the automatic pick our pressure up, like,
Speaker 5: you know, now we got to pick our pressure up.
Speaker 5: We got to now we got to extend because they
Speaker 5: didn't have like ego doc and make plays like in transition.
Speaker 5: But Drey was more of the half court past, you know,
Speaker 5: so he's basically the point guard. And so when he
Speaker 5: was out, we knew we had to pick our pressure
Speaker 5: up to try to take him out of everything they
Speaker 5: try to like they try to do, you know. And
Speaker 5: so it's a funny story when we get to game seven,
Speaker 5: and I think you probably Rember Jaymond, but you but
Speaker 5: if you go back and watch the game. So at
Speaker 5: the end of the game, we were up three and
Speaker 5: we went over, like y'all, y'all's knee three plays. We
Speaker 5: went over every single day for three weeks straight, but
Speaker 5: one of the games were close, so we did it.
Speaker 5: So Coffee and Kyrie and Brown like, man, we're doing
Speaker 5: this shit again.
Speaker 6: I'm like, man, you never know, it's gonna come down
Speaker 6: to something.
Speaker 5: And so for each play, we had different guys guarding
Speaker 5: different positions, and so when they came out to run
Speaker 5: a knee three plays, you know, Drey was taking it
Speaker 5: out and we jumped to our formation and d was
Speaker 5: kind of looked like, like, what's going on. So we
Speaker 5: deflected the bar in the bounce. So then they go
Speaker 5: their second knee three play, they switched it and our
Speaker 5: players was guarding somebody different and we was able to
Speaker 5: take it away.
Speaker 6: And then so Bron said, man, it came down to games.
Speaker 5: I said, you never know, like you got to work
Speaker 5: on it every single day because you never know when
Speaker 5: you're gonna need it.
Speaker 6: And so every day we work on the knee three.
Speaker 5: They're like, man, ain't none of the games been close
Speaker 5: while we're doing this, and then Game seven it came
Speaker 5: down to, yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, that was crazy, what BD? Welcome to the party,
Speaker 2: Come on, Jray.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Speaking piece, I don't have much to say.
Speaker 1: We lost, but what I will say is no, it's
Speaker 1: crazy because in playing in those series like it prepared
Speaker 1: us in moving forward to know how to make those
Speaker 1: adjustments because it was a chess match, like every time
Speaker 1: we would play from game to game, they make this move,
Speaker 1: We make this move.
Speaker 3: They moved a queen, we move we move our rook.
Speaker 4: You know they we move our like.
Speaker 2: That's that's what those series were.
Speaker 1: Obviously, when I got suspended for game five, it changed everything.
Speaker 3: But also you know their adjustment.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because their adjustment to pick up the pressure
Speaker 1: is obviously how they took over and won the game.
Speaker 3: Because when you get in a.
Speaker 1: Lot of series and a key piece like that gets moved,
Speaker 1: normally your game plan stay the same, right because you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we've been playing this team, your game plan stay the same,
Speaker 1: and then you come out there and you get blasted,
Speaker 1: like it happened us a couple of years ago when
Speaker 1: we won a Championship. We played Memphis and game four,
Speaker 1: Game five or something like that, and jaw was hurt.
Speaker 1: I was Game five they beat us by sixty because
Speaker 1: we didn't like there was no adjustment, Like you didn't
Speaker 1: know what team you was about to play, whereas opposed
Speaker 1: to you've been preparing for this one team and you
Speaker 1: know the adjustments that you need to make. It's a
Speaker 1: different team now, and so that's an interesting adjustment. But no,
Speaker 1: when game five it changed everything, Like we're going home
Speaker 1: and obviously they're going to make an adjustment, but you know,
Speaker 1: for us, we're going home to close out this series,
Speaker 1: and that's the mindset.
Speaker 4: Then not get suspended. And I'll never forget.
Speaker 1: I was watching that game next door at the Age
Speaker 1: game and I had on all black, I had on
Speaker 1: some black Nike combat boots, and I had my route
Speaker 1: down and everything.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, we're gonna win.
Speaker 1: This game, and I'm taking the long route to the
Speaker 1: court so i can walk past all of the casts
Speaker 1: when they walk into the locker rooms, they head down
Speaker 1: and I'm all black and up mobbing in there, and
Speaker 1: it just didn't work out for us. Man, I was
Speaker 1: sitting in that I was sitting in this sweet washing
Speaker 1: the game, and I didn't realize I didn't recognize the
Speaker 1: team I was watching, like.
Speaker 3: It was it just looks like a different team to me.
Speaker 1: And so then the comeback game six, like we lost
Speaker 1: game six in game five, like game there was zero
Speaker 1: percent chance we.
Speaker 4: Were going to Cleveland and win game six.
Speaker 1: So we had already lost game six in game five,
Speaker 1: and then we end up in game seven and t
Speaker 1: lou game plan is to make me beat them, and
Speaker 1: I had the game of my life and ultimately.
Speaker 4: I was there. I was at that game. I was
Speaker 4: at that game.
Speaker 5: But you but you know, like something about coaching, you
Speaker 5: know that is like when you got when you got
Speaker 5: the control of your team and they respect you and
Speaker 5: they they trust you, Like you know, you have five
Speaker 5: frees a halftime and then not one player come in
Speaker 5: crying about like that's the game plan, Like you know,
Speaker 5: like it can make shots, but we keep stepping claytrom
Speaker 5: you know, making seven eight threes and we keep the
Speaker 5: bar in their hands, like that's what we want to do.
Speaker 5: And you gotta think for the best team in NBA
Speaker 5: history record wise, like we helped you out to eighty
Speaker 5: nine points in game seven, like we just they just
Speaker 5: we just stuck with it.
Speaker 6: Like and Jr. Like I said, Jr.
Speaker 5: Smith was huge in that third quarter coming out then,
Speaker 5: but like it just and you had to balan the
Speaker 5: best game of your life, you know.
Speaker 4: But you know what's crazy though, to Luke is that game.
Speaker 1: And it was a mixture of that game and then
Speaker 1: also KD coming and so the mixture of that game
Speaker 1: and me like.
Speaker 2: Shooting the lights out scoring that wheel how well.
Speaker 1: I scored thirty one or thirty three or something like that,
Speaker 1: thirty five and we only had eighty nine points.
Speaker 3: I have thirty five.
Speaker 1: And so me being the player that I am, which
Speaker 1: is seventy percent cerebral, KD coming in, which means I
Speaker 1: have to kind of take more of a backseat anyway, right,
Speaker 1: But at the same time, that's coming on the heels
Speaker 1: of me just having thirty five and we lost, and
Speaker 1: so now my mindset ends up turning two, Well, they
Speaker 1: want me to take this shot because I just had
Speaker 1: thirty five in game seven and we lost. So then
Speaker 1: I stopped shooting right like, because I'm like, oh, they
Speaker 1: want me to take the shot. In turn, I didn't
Speaker 1: spend two and a half years with zero confidence in
Speaker 1: my shot and just dho and to find creative ways
Speaker 1: to get Stephan Clayton them involved because I ain't want
Speaker 1: to shoot because I lost all confidence. But a part
Speaker 1: of me losing confidence was that aim and not taking
Speaker 1: the shot and taking the shots right like and actually
Speaker 1: making them.
Speaker 3: But we ain't win.
Speaker 1: So I'm like that what that's the mindset they want
Speaker 1: me to shoot, So I'm not gonna shoot because their
Speaker 1: game planning to make me shoot, So why would I shoot?
Speaker 1: And then it led down to this whole path for
Speaker 1: like then being like afraid to shoot, like and losing
Speaker 1: my confidence in my shot and like hesitating and then
Speaker 1: having to get over that mental hurdle. It all started
Speaker 1: for me there, which was crazy because it was your
Speaker 1: game plan, But then it became a part of my
Speaker 1: mind of like that's the game plan, why would I shoot?
Speaker 6: But now you shoot and.
Speaker 2: Turning the TLU telling them don't let me shoot the knight.
Speaker 3: God damn.
Speaker 4: Man, this is this is therapeutic man.
Speaker 2: This is therapeutic man. That was That's a hell of
Speaker 2: a moment, a full circle moment. That's hell therapeutic man.
Speaker 2: I'm glad t LIU see we got that. It's the
Speaker 2: hardest part. We got out there right.
Speaker 3: Now we can go off of that.
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Speaker 2: So I have to ask this question, and speaking of
Speaker 2: that game seven, you know, I've heard all of the
Speaker 2: the stories, and quite honestly, I've ignored them because that's
Speaker 2: just a dark moment in my life. But there was
Speaker 2: some story about you collecting money that you left in
Speaker 2: the ceiling or.
Speaker 3: Some let me in on this story.
Speaker 1: I need to know more because next time we played
Speaker 1: in a meaningful series, I'm going to that locker room
Speaker 1: the night before and taking that money.
Speaker 5: So after we won game five, so you know all
Speaker 5: the owners and you know the GM. Everybody's in the
Speaker 5: locker room. They celebrating what everybody's happy. So I go
Speaker 5: in the locker room and say, everybody, give.
Speaker 6: Me two hundred dollars.
Speaker 5: It's like what what I was like, I'm gonna take it,
Speaker 5: wrap it up. I'm put in the ceiling and we
Speaker 5: come back and get our money for game seven. And
Speaker 5: so where I got that from was from uh, you know,
Speaker 5: Doc Rivers. We played the Lakers in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 5: We played the Lakers during the regular season, it might
Speaker 5: have been Christmas, and they blew us out like they
Speaker 5: killed And so Doc went around the room and collected
Speaker 5: money from everybody, put the money in the sealing, said
Speaker 5: we're coming back to the NBA finals, and we coming
Speaker 5: back to get our money. And we came back and
Speaker 5: we played in the finals. They beat us that year,
Speaker 5: but we came back and played in the finals. And
Speaker 5: now the money was still up there too, in the ceiling.
Speaker 5: So I got that from Doc, and so we came
Speaker 5: back game seven. I'm gonna tell you what's crazy that,
Speaker 5: you know how cheak Lebron is. Oh man, God, we
Speaker 5: win a championship game seven. If I go up in
Speaker 5: the ceiling, the money still He's like forty seven hundred
Speaker 5: or something like that.
Speaker 6: Right, So Ship our pocket, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And so Lebron they throwing champagne Solebron's at lou where's
Speaker 5: that money at man?
Speaker 6: Man, I went up there. It's missing all my We
Speaker 6: just want a championship.
Speaker 2: He's wanted by getting great is hilarious because that is
Speaker 2: exactly how he is to every that's crazy.
Speaker 3: He progal.
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean genderous too. I'm just staying. But
Speaker 5: like he want his money back. Yeah, yeah, he earned that.
Speaker 2: He need his cut pocketing too.
Speaker 6: In the middle of popping ship, I used to want
Speaker 6: a championship and you asked what the two mons?
Speaker 3: I don't forget, but I was just about to say.
Speaker 1: But interestingly enough, it's less about him being frugal and
Speaker 1: more about like, dude, don't miss anything, Like yeah, they
Speaker 1: don't miss.
Speaker 5: Nothing nothing, man. And like I said, him and Kyrie
Speaker 5: like that they were special. That that uh, that final,
Speaker 5: they were special, like saying game five, both of those
Speaker 5: guys having forty and just like I said, and once
Speaker 5: we got to game seven, like Brons said, give me
Speaker 5: the game seven and I'll do the rest, you know,
Speaker 5: and so but bad bad man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of Game seven.
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody talk about the block and then obviously
Speaker 2: Kyrie shot uh, but there is there another play that
Speaker 2: you feel people miss that helped secure that title.
Speaker 3: Kevin Love.
Speaker 6: When he switched out on step he sat down.
Speaker 2: Hey, dude, he said, that's one of the all some
Speaker 2: men sitt downs in NBA history.
Speaker 3: Dude, that was crazy.
Speaker 6: Because it's crazy because it wasn't supposed to happen.
Speaker 5: So you know, like you know what I'm saying, I
Speaker 5: don't want Love on step I don't want that.
Speaker 6: I'm happened and break down with that.
Speaker 5: He ended up on Steph and I mean, k Love,
Speaker 5: I give him crap and he sat down, he sat down.
Speaker 5: He got it four or five different moves like you know,
Speaker 5: step into a tough shot. But that was a big play.
Speaker 5: I think we might have been up three or maybe four.
Speaker 5: I'm not maybe thirty three yeah, three yeah, big stock.
Speaker 5: And I think that's when Bron got the rebound got fouled,
Speaker 5: and then we thought, no, no, got to stop. Kyrie
Speaker 5: went coach and Coach Stewart Lebron and you bout him.
Speaker 5: And then he was, yeah, that was Ca Love man
Speaker 5: moving them puppies.
Speaker 1: He was that's crazy because we watched we seen like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is it, like we have y'all stepp about to tie.
Speaker 3: This is it? Like we got the height so it's
Speaker 3: over and he was moved.
Speaker 4: But I think it's somebody was thought he was gonna
Speaker 4: lay it down. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought he was gonna.
Speaker 5: Lay Yeah, step too for sure, because like I mean,
Speaker 5: he was there.
Speaker 4: He was there.
Speaker 6: He boomed like damn, okay, Kate Love. But I was nervous.
Speaker 6: I was nervous.
Speaker 2: That was That was the moment, dude, I thought he was.
Speaker 2: I thought Steph was gonna drive because he had got
Speaker 2: a lay up. I feel like the play before on
Speaker 2: the drive and it was enough time, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 4: But that switch was like.
Speaker 2: Okay, Steph getting to the step back and shout out,
Speaker 2: shout out to the brill and great Kevin Love. Uh
Speaker 2: you know, we shut down, stop it, sit down, and
Speaker 2: a couple of people l a that sit you. Russ
Speaker 2: and Drew keep going, norm you know what hold on?
Speaker 4: Nor was in some the show talking about defense.
Speaker 9: Just keep talking about come on, what happened all offense now?
Speaker 10: T Lou.
Speaker 3: And Matt barrs.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 3: That's all y'all got this loom loom loom, come on,
Speaker 3: Peyton Watson, Jack Levine.
Speaker 2: But but Zach Levine and if you don't sack, don't
Speaker 2: play no. Also, I mean in that whole group you
Speaker 2: just named, how many all defensive teams into that group? Man,
Speaker 2: we always get all right back. So we're gonna move
Speaker 2: on there, We're gonna move on. We're gonna move on.
Speaker 2: We's not gonna speak and U c l A like
Speaker 2: they defense you, baby, We're gonna see when that matchup happened.
Speaker 2: Y'all don't want to play us, y'all. It's it's nice
Speaker 2: weather where y'all go to school. Don't y'all don't want
Speaker 2: to play us. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because T Lou was just saying they decided
Speaker 1: to switch play and step stuff, and the way they
Speaker 1: were guarding us, it was then like, man, and even
Speaker 1: a little bit before that, like we struggled a bit
Speaker 1: with OKC, but then we end up coming back and
Speaker 1: winning that series. And then it obviously reared his ugly
Speaker 1: head against the Calves in a great year, but teams
Speaker 1: were starting to figure out how to guard us, and
Speaker 1: so you know, at that point, we got to figure
Speaker 1: out what's next we go sign KD.
Speaker 2: What's your reaction to that? T Lou when you see that.
Speaker 5: It's over, you know saying, I mean, like you said,
Speaker 5: we thought we figured y'all out, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: We went back the next year.
Speaker 5: It could have went your way again, but like we thought,
Speaker 5: we had the blueprint on how to guard and how
Speaker 5: to attack, you know, how to attack y'all offense, because
Speaker 5: y'all was always top five in defense, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, A big shout out to Ron Adams, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like, yes, but when y'all got KD,
Speaker 5: it just made it so.
Speaker 6: I mean, come on, you blitzed them, and now you
Speaker 6: got Clay.
Speaker 5: And KD all the week's out, you short, you got
Speaker 5: Ego dollar for the law, got Klay and and KD
Speaker 5: in the corners, Like it just became Yeah, it just became.
Speaker 6: Too hard, Like it just it was too hard too.
Speaker 5: To really like I said, match up offensively, and y'all
Speaker 5: was always great defensive team.
Speaker 6: So once y'all got KD, I mean, it was like I.
Speaker 2: Mean, and and he can get his own money, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like he can get his own
Speaker 2: money too, that was so that's what made it so unfair.
Speaker 5: You blitz KD and now you got stepping plate. But
Speaker 5: it was just like it was just too much.
Speaker 1: That was interesting because that's what ended up happening. Then
Speaker 1: teams was like, oh, we're gonna switch here, We're going
Speaker 1: to switch, and so we would run our stuff. It's
Speaker 1: literally high our offense.
Speaker 4: We go.
Speaker 1: We would run our stuff and either KD getting spot
Speaker 1: up shots off the off because team's blissing and now
Speaker 1: I'm kicking them, or getting a lot to D or
Speaker 1: the team started switching it and then we just get
Speaker 1: a ball a K and KG one on one if
Speaker 1: you double, if you double, we hitting steph. All right,
Speaker 1: So then they start doubling off me and then that's
Speaker 1: where we start doing the handbags. You throw it to me,
Speaker 1: I'm catching, I'm handing off, I'm catching. Im faking, I'm
Speaker 1: going to the cup. I got Andre on the live now,
Speaker 1: that's where that came from. But it all started with
Speaker 1: us getting k and then like all right, y'all switch
Speaker 1: cool up right.
Speaker 2: It just it was too much playing on the Lakers
Speaker 2: winning the championship. With those two Laker teams playing against
Speaker 2: Golden State losing in the finals, beating them in the finals.
Speaker 2: Where does those Lakers teams stack up against the Cleveland
Speaker 2: Cavaliers championship team, the Golden State Warriors championship team with
Speaker 2: KD You're probably the best person to give some insight
Speaker 2: because you played on the Lakers and won a championship
Speaker 2: with them.
Speaker 5: Man, I just don't see nobody like beating the Lakers team.
Speaker 5: Like said when they got Kadie, I gotta go back
Speaker 5: and reassess it.
Speaker 6: Just the why. I'm just saying that the biggest factor,
Speaker 6: like a shot, like you know what I mean, Shack
Speaker 6: was just me. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You can't stop them, like you can't guard them, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean? And you had you know, God
Speaker 5: rest in peace. When I got Mutumbo, like I said,
Speaker 5: defensive player of the year. You know, Shock averaged thirty
Speaker 5: thirty six whatever and fourteen that series or something.
Speaker 6: But like I mean, just wasn't non answer for.
Speaker 5: Shock, Like okay, say you know you had you double
Speaker 5: team Kobe or Kobe had a rough night, but they're
Speaker 5: just there's no answer for Shack.
Speaker 6: And you could fathom. But now you got three centers
Speaker 6: playing the game.
Speaker 5: So now your third and four string center and playing
Speaker 5: against shock because everybody else don't cut out or in
Speaker 5: foul trouble, and now you're in a bonus with you know,
Speaker 5: six minutes of go in every quarter. Like it just
Speaker 5: I just don't see an answer for Shack. And that's like,
Speaker 5: that's what people don't talk about and understand is his
Speaker 5: dominance was was you know, unmatched.
Speaker 2: I agree, And then you get that backup center, the
Speaker 2: third string center name shot blockers. They not you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, They may be a little different, So
Speaker 2: it just kind of softened up the defense. But you know,
Speaker 2: I always say, is you know, I pull favoritetism to
Speaker 2: our era just because of you know, you got Shaq.
Speaker 2: Shaq was just a dominant player. Kobe was super dominant.
Speaker 2: But then all of the other players on the team
Speaker 2: were high skilled, cerebral basketball players that could play basketball.
Speaker 2: I love to play basketball that can make adjustments on
Speaker 2: their own, you know what I.
Speaker 3: Mean, as opposed to.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of the modern day basketball is
Speaker 2: more so adjustments from a coaching standpoint. You know, the
Speaker 2: coaches have to make the adjustments because I think the
Speaker 2: players are young, right, and so there's a there's a
Speaker 2: gap of veterans to young guys, and there's a learning
Speaker 2: curve that feels like that's why y'all got so many
Speaker 2: damn coaches over there on the sidelines to try to help.
Speaker 3: Is that the case?
Speaker 6: I mean, it's a lot of player development going on,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 5: So I do think, like I said, these player development
Speaker 5: groups that you put together you see on every team,
Speaker 5: I think it's very important because you got guys coming
Speaker 5: in nineteen twenty twenty one and don't really know how
Speaker 5: to play the game, you know. So like our guy
Speaker 5: we got Sean Fine, he's amazing, like you know when
Speaker 5: he's him, and you know Dante Jones and you know
Speaker 5: Jeremy Castle.
Speaker 6: Cookie Boat coming to Connor.
Speaker 5: All the guys they put in work every day like
Speaker 5: Chris Hogean and you see it paying off, like you know,
Speaker 5: just with our young guy Kyle Jones, like he's got
Speaker 5: better and better and better, like you know, So it's important.
Speaker 5: So I think when you're drafting these young guys, you
Speaker 5: got to have guys that it's will to be in
Speaker 5: the gym, do the you know, the hard grinding work
Speaker 5: every single day and then you know, mold and get
Speaker 5: these players to where they want to be, and so
Speaker 5: I think it is very important.
Speaker 2: I just want to say I just want to say something.
Speaker 6: About I don't want to talk about Lakers. I got
Speaker 6: to say.
Speaker 3: Something about that. That's gotta say something about that.
Speaker 2: I found it interesting because you know, it's a very
Speaker 2: interesting one. I'll tell you why it's very interesting because,
Speaker 2: quite honestly, Shaquille O'Neill is my favorite player of all time.
Speaker 2: So it's a little challenging for me to be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: somebody gonna stop shot, because it's very hypocritical to my
Speaker 2: childhood beliefs and like what I like, how I actually feel.
Speaker 3: So it's very hypocritical to me to say that.
Speaker 1: And quite honestly, I don't think any of us could
Speaker 1: have stopped shot, just like no one else in Shacks
Speaker 1: of Eric could stop shot.
Speaker 3: I just don't think that was happening.
Speaker 1: But I do think we then posed some challenges on
Speaker 1: the other side for Shack that you just can't stand
Speaker 1: in the pain against us, big fella, like you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a again, I am the biggest Shack there you're
Speaker 1: going to find.
Speaker 2: But you can't just stand in the pain against us,
Speaker 2: like we're going to exploit that.
Speaker 1: So what y'all gonna do defensively and then at you know,
Speaker 1: also depends on the time that we playing, because you know,
Speaker 1: when y'all were playing that couldn't play zone in the NBA.
Speaker 1: Then obviously now you can play some zone, but you
Speaker 1: couldn't play zone then you know what I'm saying, So
Speaker 1: that that also changes it to where we can really
Speaker 1: get that shock.
Speaker 3: But in saying that, no, I.
Speaker 1: Think I don't really have much of an argument just
Speaker 1: on the sake of it being shocked.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna let y'all have that just on the
Speaker 4: sake of.
Speaker 3: It being the big diesel.
Speaker 2: Because you're right though, it ain't nobody stopping Shack.
Speaker 1: And it actually pisses me off man when people don't
Speaker 1: try to get shocked the credit that he deserves, like
Speaker 1: and and like, don't talk about shocking the light that
Speaker 1: Shack is like.
Speaker 4: The most dominant player we've ever seen ever.
Speaker 2: Hey hey, hey, hey, that is one of the biggest
Speaker 2: hacks in summer basketball history.
Speaker 4: Hey, t Lou, t Lou, remember how mad we used.
Speaker 2: To get that Dante dude for playing and following people
Speaker 2: in the gym? Hey, Jam, you see nothing like this bro,
Speaker 2: you see nothing like this.
Speaker 4: You shoot, he stays see there you go.
Speaker 6: That made my heart warm, Like if you if you
Speaker 6: ain't all defenders are hacks, camras, hack.
Speaker 3: Stranger.
Speaker 4: I don't even follow that much reference.
Speaker 6: Here working on.
Speaker 4: Okay, another hack, another hat, definitely a hat.
Speaker 2: Teaching me aways, dunte teaching me away, definitely a hat.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, but happenings going on.
Speaker 2: Nah, So yeah, I'll give y'all that, although I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think y'all team was as good as ours.
Speaker 2: But in a matchup, nobody stopping shock.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, you got to come out
Speaker 1: that paint, big fella, and you might just be looking crazy.
Speaker 3: That's all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I mean yeah, talent wise, but like when
Speaker 5: you got the two best players in the world on
Speaker 5: the same team, like you know what I'm saying, Like, okay,
Speaker 5: we I mean only team I saw even do a
Speaker 5: halfway decent job on shack, like I said, was San Antonio,
Speaker 5: Like you know, the front and back with David Robinson
Speaker 5: and Tim Duncan was still yeah, he's still average twenty seven,
Speaker 5: twenty eight, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: But like it's just man. It's just him and cold
Speaker 6: man like that.
Speaker 4: I mean, Shack could move. Shack could move. He wasn't
Speaker 4: no stiff. He wasn't he wasn't stiff, but he wasn't
Speaker 4: a stiff.
Speaker 2: But he wasn't moving like Shaq had been moving.
Speaker 1: What years Shack started getting them later was in in
Speaker 1: l a. He wasn't moving like that, no more man
Speaker 1: Shock Shock getting heavy Stack Shock started rehabbing on company times.
Speaker 4: Sack, Shack wasn't moving like that.
Speaker 6: You think about the three stops after that. When he
Speaker 6: went to Miami, of course, he.
Speaker 2: Was completely dumb moving in Miami, Miami, Miami year one,
Speaker 2: he was straight. Year two when we gotta stop, I
Speaker 2: gotta stop. This is gonna come off like hey, no
Speaker 2: shock and that'll break my heart. So we gotta stop.
Speaker 6: Phoenix cland you know with the Lakers he was still.
Speaker 2: He was still dominant, but again coming to move them
Speaker 2: puppies on the on the on the wing with KD
Speaker 2: and Stephan, putting them in pens with Clay Us.
Speaker 3: He wasn't moving, he wasn't moving like that. That's all
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 6: You gotta have guy, you gotta have guys. That's gonna
Speaker 6: get through the screens for sure.
Speaker 2: Kobe will chase over the screen. Let's see t Lougan
Speaker 2: now out of screen. Uh, because he had to come out.
Speaker 6: He had to worry about I'm getting through the screens.
Speaker 2: Uh, playing against that dude, because you know, but you
Speaker 2: know what, it was crazy though back in those days,
Speaker 2: and we're talking about that men b Shaw.
Speaker 5: You know it was automatic because back in those days
Speaker 5: you had a four and five on each block, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean. So when the ball hit the wing,
Speaker 5: whether it was a picking roll or not, it was
Speaker 5: automatically in an ice stands because it's gonna be it's
Speaker 5: gonna be a big on the block.
Speaker 6: And that's what made it easier to guard back then.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You know, you have a four on the block of
Speaker 5: five on the week's side block cross screen. When the
Speaker 5: ball hit the wing, you automatically jump into no middle
Speaker 5: stands and set it down whether it's picking and so
Speaker 5: that was crazy. That that was real crazy, but it
Speaker 5: was easy. But you know it made you a lot
Speaker 5: easier for sure.
Speaker 3: Switching beats to the Clippers.
Speaker 2: You talked about Norman Pou and how he stepped up
Speaker 2: this season to become pretty much a go to player
Speaker 2: on this team. Talk a little bit about Norm and
Speaker 2: you know who does Norm game remind you of in
Speaker 2: your playing days?
Speaker 5: Okay, let's let's start with I mean with Norm, like
Speaker 5: just to see the work he puts in every single day,
Speaker 5: you know, Bead and Dre like, I mean, he works.
Speaker 6: Too much for me, Like I said to me, I mean,
Speaker 6: he works hard and he's.
Speaker 5: Wanted to be a starter, you know, having PG and
Speaker 5: having Kawhi, you know it was hard for him to start,
Speaker 5: you know, but this man works every single day since
Speaker 5: I've been here, Like just seeing the amount of work he
Speaker 5: puts in, and you know.
Speaker 6: It's it's slogan's UTG.
Speaker 5: I understand the grind, and he grinds every day, like
Speaker 5: working on everything. And so for him to get this
Speaker 5: opportunity to play the way he has, like, I'm just
Speaker 5: happy for him because you know, he puts in like
Speaker 5: he puts in like real, real work, you know, And
Speaker 5: so I'm just happy to see him. Like half a year,
Speaker 5: he's having people start to recognize what he can do,
Speaker 5: you know, as a starter. So that's really good as
Speaker 5: a player more like a microwave. But I didn't get
Speaker 5: a chance to play play against Michael Wave, but I
Speaker 5: see a lot of them.
Speaker 6: Uh just that Bill.
Speaker 5: You know, he's still more norm he I teach because
Speaker 5: he's I say, six foot, but he's sixth three years.
Speaker 6: If he straighten his legs.
Speaker 5: But I would say, like you're saying, like Michael Wave,
Speaker 5: like you can score at all levels, man, just instant offense.
Speaker 5: And he did it last year fourth off the bench,
Speaker 5: you know, average sixteen points off the bench later league
Speaker 5: in fourth quarter threes percentage wise last year.
Speaker 6: You know, he can just you know, cut in. He's
Speaker 6: an instant score. So I would say more so like.
Speaker 5: Like Michael waive I, but I how to you know,
Speaker 5: say anybody.
Speaker 2: Y'all got James playing at And when I say y'all,
Speaker 2: I mean obviously coach, but you know he's doing it.
Speaker 2: But James playing at an all star level this year
Speaker 2: back looking like the James that we all have grown
Speaker 2: to know, you know, going through them battles with you
Speaker 2: know them Houston teams. Like that's the James that he's
Speaker 2: looking like. Now, what's it been like? James once said,
Speaker 2: I am the system. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I am a system, Like and.
Speaker 1: And seeing him play this year, it's like you as
Speaker 1: a coach and y'all staff has put him in all
Speaker 1: his pet sets that he liked to run and have
Speaker 1: twisted some things to you know, sets that you you've incorporated,
Speaker 1: but putting him in those situations that he liked to
Speaker 1: get to that he's thrived in and became James Harden
Speaker 1: as we know it.
Speaker 3: What's that adjustment been?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: What was those conversations like to go to him and
Speaker 1: be like, all right, listen, obviously PG gone Kawhi out
Speaker 1: and taking a team that most people seeing like dang,
Speaker 1: PG left Kawhi out, this team is gonna be bad
Speaker 1: and got this team rolling.
Speaker 3: And he playing at that level.
Speaker 2: Just what was the kind of the building up to
Speaker 2: that and you know, just the adjustments that you've had
Speaker 2: to make and getting him back in that role.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well a good thing for us is he's been
Speaker 6: a customer play that way, you know.
Speaker 5: So we got him last year he more so just
Speaker 5: trying to adapt and you know, he was a playmaker
Speaker 5: and you know ran our you know with.
Speaker 6: Kawhi and PG. Like you said, he didn't come in.
Speaker 5: I think James averaged like eight or nine shots a
Speaker 5: game last year, you know what I mean, and he
Speaker 5: just kind of just you know, got everybody involved picking
Speaker 5: choosing spots. But this year it was a different conversation,
Speaker 5: like you said, with Kawhi being out, with PG being gone,
Speaker 5: like we need him to turn back to clock, like
Speaker 5: you know, the same position was in here to carry
Speaker 5: that burden.
Speaker 6: You know, offensively.
Speaker 5: And you know, our front office has done a good
Speaker 5: job of acquiring Derrick Jones Junior, who's a defender. You know,
Speaker 5: Chris was a defender, and you put those guys around
Speaker 5: James where he doesn't have to, you know, guard every
Speaker 5: single night. And now he could just focus and lock
Speaker 5: in on scoring the basketball and making guys better.
Speaker 6: And he's flourished, like I said, and he's used in
Speaker 6: the accustomer to this role.
Speaker 5: But like it started in training camp, like it was
Speaker 5: a hard training it was a throwback training camp, you know,
Speaker 5: like mess up on the line six or ten, you know,
Speaker 5: but no every day And I give him credit, you know,
Speaker 5: like he did it every single day whether he liked
Speaker 5: it or not. And that's what kind of got us
Speaker 5: to this point. But like just every day practicing, playing
Speaker 5: every game, or he missed one game, you know, the
Speaker 5: whole year playing every night, you know, all the training
Speaker 5: camp stuff, and then taking this young team, like I said,
Speaker 5: and just put them on the shoulders and just showing
Speaker 5: them how to work, showing them how to win, showing
Speaker 5: them how to do things the right way.
Speaker 6: And like I said, he's been great for us, like
Speaker 6: you said, all year long.
Speaker 1: No, I think I think it's dope to just see
Speaker 1: him back at that level and where I give you
Speaker 1: credit and him, it's like.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know he still had that level in him,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Like to either get back to this level, it's special.
Speaker 3: It's special to watch.
Speaker 1: But one question I also want to ask you is
Speaker 1: and coaching bron and then coaching James. I always say,
Speaker 1: obviously the way they went about it two completely different ways,
Speaker 1: but talk about how both of them can control the
Speaker 1: entire pace of a game and having a guy like
Speaker 1: that that every time down.
Speaker 4: The court it's capable of getting you a good shot.
Speaker 1: Because I don't think people are understanding this league, there's
Speaker 1: not your favorite player can't just do that, Like there's
Speaker 1: only a select few of guys that can make that
Speaker 1: happen in this league, And obviously you know, now having
Speaker 1: James playing at the level of doing that and then
Speaker 1: having Bron, just what are the similarities in them controlling
Speaker 1: the games and then what are the differences?
Speaker 5: And that's what That's one thing, like you said, is
Speaker 5: why I think he should be an All Star this year
Speaker 5: or just things he's done so far and just making
Speaker 5: guys better. But like you said, to generate a good
Speaker 5: shot every time down you know, whether you make it
Speaker 5: or not, you know, to make mislead, but it's a
Speaker 5: good shot every single time for itself or for his teammates.
Speaker 5: And just look at all the people when you talk
Speaker 5: about him and Bron, like how many people there got paid?
Speaker 4: Yes, you know what I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying, that's what should still be watching James cars.
Speaker 5: I'm saying a lot of people the same with Bron.
Speaker 5: Like you know, they've made people better, They've gotten guys paid,
Speaker 5: they gotten coaches paid, like Bron got me paid. But
Speaker 5: like just to control a game and knowing that you're
Speaker 5: gonna get a good shot every time down the floor,
Speaker 5: like you just don't find it anywhere, you know, And
Speaker 5: so people don't don't respect that part of the game
Speaker 5: where you got a guy that can generate a good
Speaker 5: shot every single time.
Speaker 2: When the last time moles Gob came and watched you
Speaker 2: in bron Cars two weeks ago, that's hilarious. Man, you're
Speaker 2: one of the best coaches in this league. You know,
Speaker 2: we've said it before on this show. We say it
Speaker 2: all the time as far as in game adjustment. Just
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about, you know, your philosophy around
Speaker 2: in game adjustments. And then when did you notice, like, hey, bro,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of nice at this coaching thing.
Speaker 4: What did that hit? Man?
Speaker 5: Well, it started back, like I said, you know, Doc
Speaker 5: and Dan Yange, you know, gave me my first opportunity.
Speaker 5: And it started when I played for Doc in two
Speaker 5: thousand and three in Orlando and he told me said, listen, Telu,
Speaker 5: when you're done playing, you can come coach.
Speaker 3: I was like, man, I didn't coaching, Like, hey, you.
Speaker 5: Know, coach, it wasn't me, you know, But when I
Speaker 5: finished two nine, like that's all I knew. And so
Speaker 5: I give a lot of credits to Doctor because, like,
Speaker 5: you know, when we lost a tough game or hard game,
Speaker 5: you know how I should go back and sit in
Speaker 5: the back of the room. He did media and just
Speaker 5: listen to how he handled himself and how he handled
Speaker 5: the media. You know, just all the atos at the
Speaker 5: timeouts like doctors, you know, the best in my opinion,
Speaker 5: you know, and back in Boston just running ato's and
Speaker 5: they was to learn from Thibodeau, you know, in Boston.
Speaker 5: Then I learned from Lawrence Frame, you know, and so
Speaker 5: I had a lot of guys that I can learn from.
Speaker 5: You tak it like you know, Doc back then was
Speaker 5: the best coach in the league, you know, so you
Speaker 5: learn from You learned from Thibodeau, was the best defensive
Speaker 5: coordinator in the league, learned from Lawrence And so I
Speaker 5: had a lot of guys that I that I learned from,
Speaker 5: and so I give them a lot of respect, you
Speaker 5: know for me being around met today.
Speaker 6: But it's it's hard, you know, it's hard beating. It's
Speaker 6: a it's a hard job. You know. As a player,
Speaker 6: you know, you just kind of basically worry about yourself.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: As a coach, you got to worry about everybody, the assistance,
Speaker 5: the medical, the you know, the the equipment manager, the players,
Speaker 5: and so when you lose a game, you know, you
Speaker 5: got to go back and look at yourself and like, man,
Speaker 5: what could I have done different?
Speaker 6: What could I have done better? And you know, like
Speaker 6: it was a tough grind, but I learned a lot
Speaker 6: along the.
Speaker 5: Way to be in this position and putting a lot
Speaker 5: of hard work to be in this position. There's a
Speaker 5: lot of great coaches out there, and so just to
Speaker 5: be mentioned, you know, in the same breath with a
Speaker 5: lot of these guys, you know, it means a lot.
Speaker 6: You know, especially being a young coach.
Speaker 2: You said something that I actually wanted to do address anyway.
Speaker 2: You just said it. You said, Lebron get a lot
Speaker 2: of guys paid. He got me paid.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to ask you about that because coming in,
Speaker 1: obviously you take over a team, you're going to win
Speaker 1: a championship, and a lot of people knew you were
Speaker 1: great on what you brought in that situation that even
Speaker 1: the coach that you know, you were assistant under, couldn't bring.
Speaker 1: And everybody just knew like there was a specific thing
Speaker 1: that was going to be needed. Nobody felt that he
Speaker 1: had it, No disrespect to him, but everybody felt you had.
Speaker 4: It in saying that you come in, you take over
Speaker 4: a team.
Speaker 1: Obviously Bron's playing, and Bron is always going to get
Speaker 1: much deserved credit that he gets. But you said, Bron
Speaker 1: get a lot of us. Brian get a lot of
Speaker 1: guys paid. He got me paid. A lot of people
Speaker 1: tried to say that initially, like, oh, man, he was
Speaker 1: coaching Bron, of course he gonna, I mean, to win
Speaker 1: a championship, as if that's just a given. You then
Speaker 1: started to be known as, and rightfully so, as one
Speaker 1: of the best coaches in the league period. How was it,
Speaker 1: How was it for you to kind of break that
Speaker 1: tag of yo, he's Lebron's coach, because you know, everybody
Speaker 1: always try to make it a stigma of like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's Lebron's this, he's Lebron's that he coached Bron so
Speaker 1: that's why he won a championship, so much so that
Speaker 1: even then the Los Angeles Lakers want to give you
Speaker 1: a contract that aligns with Lebron's contract. How was it
Speaker 1: for you to break that stigma of Lebron and knowing
Speaker 1: how great you were or how great you are, but
Speaker 1: how great you were as a coach.
Speaker 5: I mean, the outside noise really didn't bother me because
Speaker 5: I don't have social media and I don't want to
Speaker 5: get into all that.
Speaker 6: Everybody has, but he really helped me.
Speaker 5: But the biggest thing for me is I sat down
Speaker 5: with him, Kyrie and k Love and I told him,
Speaker 5: this is what I need from you guys, Like if
Speaker 5: I want to win, if we want to win, this
Speaker 5: is what I need. And I give those three guys
Speaker 5: a lot of credit. But when people say that, you know,
Speaker 5: Bron's been in the league for twenty one years, he
Speaker 5: had no championships, So I mean they act like he
Speaker 5: won twenty one Like you know what I'm saying, he won.
Speaker 5: He's won four championships, and so you know, he hasn't
Speaker 5: won every year, and sometimes it takes you know, a
Speaker 5: special person or a special situation to get to that point.
Speaker 5: But I said, Bron deserves all the credit. But my
Speaker 5: what fu fiel me was when he came to me
Speaker 5: and said that, you know, I was a great coach
Speaker 5: and you know, one of the best coaches he's ever
Speaker 5: played for.
Speaker 6: And so that enough right there, meant a lot to me.
Speaker 5: And so I think, you know, once you know he
Speaker 5: went to the Lakers, then I had a chance, and
Speaker 5: I go to the Clippers, I think, and coach that team.
Speaker 6: We go to the conference finals when Kawhi gets hurt.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: I think that's when I finally got my respect, you know,
Speaker 5: once I you know, my first year with the Clippers,
Speaker 5: we go to the conference finals and I was able
Speaker 5: to get out from under Lebron's umbrella. You know, but
Speaker 5: it shouldn't be like that, like you said, And I
Speaker 5: know that he's brought a lot to me, you know,
Speaker 5: as a coach, made me better because he saw how execution,
Speaker 5: doing things the right way. And you got a guy
Speaker 5: who's the best player in the world that it never
Speaker 5: been late, like he's the first one, like you know,
Speaker 5: shoot around, practice lead and then you know a lot
Speaker 5: of times when you have guys who of his stature
Speaker 5: coming to bus ten minutes late, they're playing twenty minutes.
Speaker 6: Man, it's never late.
Speaker 5: Never like respect everybody's time, respect everybody what they're doing.
Speaker 5: And like I said, without him, like I said, I
Speaker 5: wouldn't be who I am today because he made you better.
Speaker 5: Because when I come in present, you know, a scout reporter,
Speaker 5: how we want to do something, I know that he's
Speaker 5: not gonna miss a beat, and I know I got
Speaker 5: to be sharp on what I'm doing every single day,
Speaker 5: every single night, because.
Speaker 6: He doesn't miss a beat, you know.
Speaker 5: So he's made me better for sure, So I'm not
Speaker 5: I'm always gonna give him the credit because like he's
Speaker 5: made me better of who I am and so hopefully
Speaker 5: one day he could say, you know what, T Lou
Speaker 5: was one of the guys got me over the top
Speaker 5: when I got back to Cleveland, you know.
Speaker 6: And so you know, I give, like I said, all.
Speaker 5: The credit to him, like I said, Kyrie, k Loves
Speaker 5: be at a sacrifice. You know, you got to think
Speaker 5: kay Love came from Minnesota where he was the man.
Speaker 6: And twenties.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thirties and twenties, asked k Love. But hey, man,
Speaker 5: could you know being a third option? You know, but
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna feature you when you're on the
Speaker 5: floor out of time outs, different situations for him to
Speaker 5: buy in like that and to win a championship, like
Speaker 5: he just says a lot about them and who they
Speaker 5: are too. But I give, like I said, all the
Speaker 5: credit to Bron but for making me a better coach,
Speaker 5: you know, every step of the way.
Speaker 1: No, I think that's dope, and I and I and
Speaker 1: I respect it because again, to have the influence, to
Speaker 1: have the impact that Bron has obviously you know, it's
Speaker 1: a great platform, but then you have to be capable
Speaker 1: of living in like on that platform, like you can't
Speaker 1: because if you're if you're not capable, you get swallowed
Speaker 1: up fast and anything that he's involved.
Speaker 2: In, and it's it was it was like the same
Speaker 2: thing with Rich. I think the same thing with Math.
Speaker 1: You know, where all the guys that has grown with
Speaker 1: him in a certain aspect, it's like, oh, they're only
Speaker 1: this because of him. But it's like, nah, hey, there
Speaker 1: were some people along the way that weren't able to
Speaker 1: take advantage of that opportunity, right b They don't get
Speaker 1: to the to the situation without being special anyway, you know.
Speaker 1: And and you know when Rich first started to clutch,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, he's a Lebron's agent, Like oh, he's
Speaker 1: only and it's like no, I've actually built the best
Speaker 1: force agency in the business.
Speaker 2: And you to see you kind of break that same
Speaker 2: stigma in your own way.
Speaker 5: Like Rich, like you said, what he's built where Math
Speaker 5: is built you know without ue to go on and build,
Speaker 5: you know, but it's all like I said, it's it's
Speaker 5: stem from Lebron. But just because I give you a
Speaker 5: million dollars until you to invest it, to make the
Speaker 5: right investments, you know what I mean, Like I could
Speaker 5: be broken two years or I can make I can
Speaker 5: have ten million in two years.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So like what you do with it.
Speaker 5: And that's what I say about Lebron because you know
Speaker 5: when they when they fired coach Black, they could have
Speaker 5: went with anybody and had to you know, had the
Speaker 5: confidence in me, you know, to say, you know what, No,
Speaker 5: you know, I like Tevo, you know, And so that's
Speaker 5: that's big, you know, thirty eight years old to you know,
Speaker 5: step in there and you know, feel some big shoes because,
Speaker 5: like I said, Coach Black went to the NBA Finals
Speaker 5: a year before, and when I took over halfway through
Speaker 5: the season, we're just number one.
Speaker 6: Team in the East.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: You know that was a lot that came with it too,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 5: So but like I said, for those guys who had
Speaker 5: a belief in me to do it, you know, it
Speaker 5: says a lot.
Speaker 6: So I'm happy about that.
Speaker 3: One thousand percent. And just speaking of guys that you've done.
Speaker 1: With your relationship with Steve Bomer, how has how has
Speaker 1: it been you.
Speaker 2: Know and working with him, uh, you know, just the
Speaker 2: type of.
Speaker 1: Owner that he is, the resources that he's bringing to
Speaker 1: the team and building that incredible arena. You know, and
Speaker 1: I obviously the only other owner that you've coached under,
Speaker 1: it's a head coach, it's obviously Dan Gilbert, But just
Speaker 1: what is it that Steve has brought as an owner
Speaker 1: of that team and it being a joy to coach,
Speaker 1: you know, and having an ownership group like that.
Speaker 6: You know, what he's brought is family.
Speaker 5: Like you know, when you get a chairman that you
Speaker 5: know that really cares about your well being, your family's
Speaker 5: well being, the team, everybody works in his organization. When
Speaker 5: you get somebody really actually cares, it's genuine. You can
Speaker 5: tell when somebody's bullshit, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 5: like when you can see when it's genuine, you know,
Speaker 5: like when COVID first hit and we were in a bubble,
Speaker 5: you know, in Black Lives Matter, and you know we
Speaker 5: started that slogan and trying to you know, help our
Speaker 5: communities and help our culture. He stepped in and everybody
Speaker 5: on the team and even Doc Rivers, the head coach,
Speaker 5: he donated to a million dollars to everybody's charity or
Speaker 5: community center or yeah, everybody to you know, to put
Speaker 5: it to wherever you want to put it to. You know,
Speaker 5: he told us we're gonna when he first took over,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna build a new arena for us, Like you know,
Speaker 5: he couldn't invite another team like the Lakers that come
Speaker 5: play here so he can generate money.
Speaker 6: But it wasn't about that. It was about us, you know.
Speaker 5: And so like this man crazy story, which Ryan westkus
Speaker 5: something we gotta tell you all the time, but it's
Speaker 5: for me.
Speaker 6: It's huge because.
Speaker 5: During the season a couple of years ago, he said,
Speaker 5: you know, what, what are you passionate about? I said,
Speaker 5: I'm passionate about my family, and I'm passionate about or
Speaker 5: I'm from, which is Mexico, Missouri.
Speaker 6: He said. I said, I want to do something special there,
Speaker 6: but I really don't know what to do.
Speaker 5: Like you come from a small town, eleven thousand people,
Speaker 5: not a lot of money in the community. So he
Speaker 5: was like, I'm gonna go take a trip with you
Speaker 5: one time and I'm gonna take a look at it.
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, right, whatever. So summer hits he
Speaker 5: calls me, Hey, I'm gonna go to Mexico and I
Speaker 5: was like, what do you mean? He's like, we're gonna
Speaker 5: take it trip to Mexico. I give you three days,
Speaker 5: pick one. So by game a day long story short,
Speaker 5: we fly Pride on this plane. We fly in the
Speaker 5: Jefferson City, Missouri, go down to Mexico, Missouri. You know,
Speaker 5: we walk around toward the city, just you know, brainstorming.
Speaker 5: And the next year, I mean, and the man sleeps
Speaker 5: in the best Western hotel in Mexico. Wait up the
Speaker 5: next day, wake up the next day. They didn't say
Speaker 5: it's the best sleep I had.
Speaker 3: A long time.
Speaker 5: The seventh bitchest man in the world, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like, that's just how genuine he is. And
Speaker 5: then so we started a program, my C two C program,
Speaker 5: which is credile to career, com member to community. And
Speaker 5: he donated three and a half million dollars the first year,
Speaker 5: which it was it was a five year plan to
Speaker 5: raise ten million dollars.
Speaker 6: In the first year and a half we raised eighteen million.
Speaker 5: But like he put me in contact with pri he
Speaker 5: donated three and a hal I have a million like
Speaker 5: and so he's just been put me on the right
Speaker 5: path to do a lot of things. And like I said,
Speaker 5: we've changed Mexico so much right now, but we've still
Speaker 5: got a lot more to do.
Speaker 6: But just like said, his vision and likes it.
Speaker 5: Every single day before the game comes in for ten minutes,
Speaker 5: checks on me how you doing. You know, just so
Speaker 5: positive and he's like that with everybody, like it's in
Speaker 5: it's genuine, you can feel it. And so that's like,
Speaker 5: I mean, he's one of the best people I've met
Speaker 5: in my life. Man, He's unbelievable. He's incredible. That's incredible, man,
Speaker 5: shout out to Bomber. Absolutely, that's fire.
Speaker 6: Do you had a lot of interactions with mister Bamba.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he when he started the Baller Vision Clipper Vision.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been great.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, one passionate about the game, love
Speaker 2: talking about the game. I say, even for you know,
Speaker 2: Clipper alumni. You know, we got kind of like this
Speaker 2: starting to build a once a Clipper, always a Clipper
Speaker 2: kind of fraternity, which is cool and bringing a lot
Speaker 2: of guys back. So you know, I respect him for
Speaker 2: what he do in LA in the community, with the courts,
Speaker 2: with the foundation, with the investments, like somebody who really
Speaker 2: came in here, not just as an owner who owns
Speaker 2: a team, that's just all about the team and all
Speaker 2: about trying to get resources to the team.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, He's been about the.
Speaker 2: Entire city, bro, Like every park, every inner city, Like
Speaker 2: the amount of people that shout his name on the
Speaker 2: foundation side, and the way he's helped, you know, mobilize
Speaker 2: this community is like, you know, that was like my dream.
Speaker 4: But I ain't got Steve Bamer money, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But it's just good to see like and it's good
Speaker 2: to see the Clippers like care about the inner city
Speaker 2: and care about La. And then that's why you're starting
Speaker 2: to see that Clipper fan base you know, grow in
Speaker 2: La for real and then and then and then t
Speaker 2: little since you've been in La.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, you heard a lot about Kawhi and his
Speaker 2: health this past year. The critics have been super loud.
Speaker 2: How are you how My question is how excited are
Speaker 2: you that he will return?
Speaker 3: And just kidding, I mean, I thought she was going
Speaker 3: to give me a date.
Speaker 6: I thought.
Speaker 4: I was like, how excited are you return?
Speaker 6: I'm very excited, man.
Speaker 5: It's just you know, the big thing, MBD, Like I said,
Speaker 5: you was one of the baddest point guards in the League.
Speaker 6: When I talk about guys.
Speaker 5: Like hard for me to guard, it was always you,
Speaker 5: gilbelarenas Ai, you know what I'm saying, And you was
Speaker 5: And people don't get a chance to, you know, to
Speaker 5: see your full career because like, so you got injured,
Speaker 5: you know, but that doesn't mean you weren't put in
Speaker 5: the work. That doesn't mean you wouln't want to play,
Speaker 5: That doesn't mean you wanted to be on the floor.
Speaker 5: And so like you have bad you have, you have
Speaker 5: bad players that, like you know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 5: our elite players are perennial all stars, you know, our superstars.
Speaker 5: And just because like Anthony Hardaway, like you know, Penny Hardaway,
Speaker 5: like he doesn't want to get hurt, like you don't
Speaker 5: want to be.
Speaker 6: Hurt, you know.
Speaker 5: So, like it's just hard for the criticism to come
Speaker 5: his way when I know I see him every day,
Speaker 5: grinding every day in the weight room, grind on the
Speaker 5: court every single day, and it's just like it's just
Speaker 5: unfortunate that, you know, he can't control what he has
Speaker 5: going on, Like he just can't control it.
Speaker 6: If he could, he would, like you.
Speaker 5: Know, so it's hard to see all the criticism League
Speaker 5: gets you know, because he's hurt, because he's not playing.
Speaker 5: Because if you got a guy that's hurt and they're
Speaker 5: not putting the work in to get better and get back,
Speaker 5: that's totally different. This man is grinding every single day,
Speaker 5: you know, every single day all summer, every summer to
Speaker 5: get to where you want to get to.
Speaker 6: And it's just unfortunate. Like you said, there's times where he.
Speaker 5: Just can't control it, you know, And so that's just
Speaker 5: the part that's hurtful because he's not gonna play down.
Speaker 5: He's not a guy that doesn't care, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. He does care, and that's what people don't understand,
Speaker 5: you know, from that outside. And it's just tough man.
Speaker 1: And you see former players that been through this, itswing like, ah, like, man,
Speaker 1: don't get me stuck.
Speaker 2: They not real, They not real because you got you
Speaker 2: gotta you gotta really go through injuries.
Speaker 3: I mean, TLUI.
Speaker 2: You remember when I was hurt playing in Vegas and
Speaker 2: you know, trying to get back, Like man, you're trying
Speaker 2: to get back and then next thing, you know, you
Speaker 2: may overcompensate a little bit. You may lift one or
Speaker 2: two reps in some tear you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So you're never right, Like once you get hurt, you
Speaker 2: are never right because you're never one hundred percent of
Speaker 2: what you were before you got hurt. Jay Man, you
Speaker 2: talked about that with your injury earlier in the year, right,
Speaker 2: And it's just like, man, you gotta work to get
Speaker 2: you gotta work to almost get to eighty five percent, right,
Speaker 2: and you'll never get to one hundred percent. You gotta
Speaker 2: work to get to eighty five and hope you don't
Speaker 2: get to seventy five right because you're.
Speaker 4: Tired, meter you'reware and tear and all that.
Speaker 2: So, you know, I think you know a lot of
Speaker 2: times fans don't understand that the mental part of it,
Speaker 2: the hard work part of it. But like if somebody's
Speaker 2: not on the court, it's definitely not the result of
Speaker 2: them not working.
Speaker 5: You just think about the organization, you know, as a whole,
Speaker 5: Like you think they would continue to giving fifty million
Speaker 5: dollars if he wasn't trying to get back, Like if
Speaker 5: he was a lazy you know what I'm saying, lazy dude,
Speaker 5: they wouldn't like, Okay, all right, cool, you heard you done,
Speaker 5: We're done.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, but like this man dedicated
Speaker 6: every single day man to try to be on the floor.
Speaker 5: And like I said, it's painful to watch because, like
Speaker 5: I said, he wants it so bad man, like you know,
Speaker 5: and he's doing everything and so I'm happy he's getting
Speaker 5: close man.
Speaker 6: And for me, like I've been hurt a lot too.
Speaker 5: I had three knee surgeries, micro fracture and sometimes just
Speaker 5: it's the mental part, like can I do it?
Speaker 6: You know what I mean? Can I Can I get
Speaker 6: over this hurdle? Can I do it?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: Can I get back to being who I was? And
Speaker 5: people don't understand that that man, it's a grind, you know,
Speaker 5: but he's been grind.
Speaker 6: Like I said, I'm happy for him.
Speaker 3: Fun Guy is one of my favorites.
Speaker 2: Man. You know I heard him rapping before. Uh really, yeah,
Speaker 2: I have fun Guy in the studio.
Speaker 4: He made me mad, he make it mad at me.
Speaker 2: But you know, I have fun Guy in the studio.
Speaker 2: He got he got bars, he got bars, he's fitting.
Speaker 6: People don't know. People don't know.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you, uh one last two Kauhi
Speaker 2: questions because you know, my fun got there. I need
Speaker 2: a Kawhi. I need a Kawhi Ism for sure. And
Speaker 2: then the second question is described the similarities and the
Speaker 2: differences between coaching the Kawhi and coaching the Lebron.
Speaker 6: Kawhi is a funny one.
Speaker 5: So me and my boy, but he cousins, that's and
Speaker 5: so I was mad at him one day and you know,
Speaker 5: he kept going back and forth. I said, man, Bookie,
Speaker 5: keep doing this. I was mad at Boogie right, And
Speaker 5: so Kawhi came up to me and.
Speaker 6: Said, man, he's he could play.
Speaker 5: He's good. He's good though. I said, yeah, I know.
Speaker 5: I said, he's getting on my nerves whatever, whatever he said.
Speaker 5: I said, I'm just tired of looking at him.
Speaker 6: Whatever he said, just don't look at him, like, don't
Speaker 6: look at him.
Speaker 4: Leave him on the court, don't look at him.
Speaker 5: Because you know, he's one of the you know, motality
Speaker 5: center has been around, you know, and so we got
Speaker 5: into it one day.
Speaker 6: But that's my guy.
Speaker 3: But Kawhi is.
Speaker 2: Like, you figure it out, but good right here, you
Speaker 2: figure out what you got.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And the comparison between like him and Bron, like I said,
Speaker 5: the hard work, like you said, is it's lined up
Speaker 5: just like this, like both putting in like you said,
Speaker 5: the work, you know, every single day, like grind every
Speaker 5: single day to get better and just think about you know,
Speaker 5: where they come in their career. Like Kawhi when he
Speaker 5: first got the league, he wasn't a shooter, you know,
Speaker 5: and he expanded he was a he was a corner shooter.
Speaker 6: Then he became better at the wings, you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Then every year he's gotten better and better than he's
Speaker 5: a forty three, a you know, three point shooter. You know,
Speaker 5: he was able to take steps of being a post
Speaker 5: player getting better and getting better.
Speaker 6: Same Lebron came in the league. He wasn't a shooter.
Speaker 5: Now you know what I'm saying, shoot forty three to
Speaker 5: work in and so they remind me a lot of
Speaker 5: each other, like I said, when it comes to that
Speaker 5: work ethic and you know, and putting that work in
Speaker 5: to get to where they want to get to.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's funny.
Speaker 5: I mean Bron's funny, but is funny because he don't
Speaker 5: do a lot of talking, but when he talks, So
Speaker 5: that's what that's what makes it crazy.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 3: Our coaching staff.
Speaker 2: This year, we added Jerry Stackhouse to take over our defense.
Speaker 3: One thing that I found that he does. Is he
Speaker 3: get these grades out.
Speaker 1: It's funny because he had something on the he has
Speaker 1: something on the grade today. I had a conversation with him.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Stack, man, like you you great, and me
Speaker 1: on this based on how you great somebody else. But
Speaker 1: I intentionally did this, like I'm covering two right here.
Speaker 3: And he like, yeah, but you're supposed to do this.
Speaker 1: I said, Stack, but you ain't gonna tell Steph Curry
Speaker 1: to drive to the rim because someone else drives better.
Speaker 1: He's gonna shoot the three. So we had this whole
Speaker 1: conversation and we went at it for fifteen minutes. It
Speaker 1: was great, me and him, just me and him. It
Speaker 1: was incredible.
Speaker 3: Y'all have.
Speaker 1: Brought JVG in who and you know, I've heard a
Speaker 1: lot about just kind of his approach and you know
Speaker 1: what he's brought to the staff and defense looking incredible.
Speaker 1: Is there something that he's brought that you would say
Speaker 1: has been different than maybe y'all were doing, or different
Speaker 1: approach than than than what you have before.
Speaker 4: Just bringing his coaching style.
Speaker 1: Which is more of an old school coaching style than
Speaker 1: kind of the coaching style of what coaches do today.
Speaker 6: Well, one is bought some He brought us some purpose defensively.
Speaker 6: You know a lot of people just go out there
Speaker 6: and play defense.
Speaker 5: And like I said, I always hate playing against you
Speaker 5: because you always read it.
Speaker 6: You know, you know what's coming with Ato. You take
Speaker 6: him over there.
Speaker 5: I got this, now, y'all switch you blow the whole
Speaker 5: play up like and at Iq. But he's bought a
Speaker 5: purpose defensively. And if you look at our team, like
Speaker 5: if you start James and Norman Powell and give normal
Speaker 5: hard time, but they're not really defenders. And so if
Speaker 5: you can get a top five defensive team in this league,
Speaker 5: you know, starting those to y'all, we're small, we're little,
Speaker 5: we're scrapping. But he's bought some purpose. And what he's
Speaker 5: what he has done to day day is that you know,
Speaker 5: you know, most teams they don't want to leave the corner,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Or you know, you go
Speaker 5: on a great shooter. But ourt thing is if you're close,
Speaker 5: go get it. And like but most time you know,
Speaker 5: you drive the ball, you know, a guy in the
Speaker 5: corner gonna stunt and get back, like now you close up,
Speaker 5: we're going to get it.
Speaker 6: And you don't see people in the corners, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean.
Speaker 5: Or if you go to the basket, you spend the
Speaker 5: next guy's right there and we'll figure out the on
Speaker 5: the backside. He's made this more aggressive, like if you
Speaker 5: close to the ball, no matter who your guard and
Speaker 5: who it is, if you close, go get it, and
Speaker 5: like you generating so many turnovers. But he's bought a purpose,
Speaker 5: he's bought a mindset to our team. You know, I
Speaker 5: come in early, you know, every day, and I come
Speaker 5: at five o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 6: He's out here. You know, he's passionate about what.
Speaker 5: He does every day, Like he takes it hard, like
Speaker 5: we win by but thirty seven last night and you
Speaker 5: talked with one hundred and seven points, he's pissed off,
Speaker 5: like he's mad. You know what I'm saying, Like come in,
Speaker 5: I talked to he's we just did fishing gain the
Speaker 5: right way, you know, first Street again, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. So, but he's passionate about what he does.
Speaker 5: He brings that that mentality, like no nonsense, like when
Speaker 5: he's when he's on the floor, were going through defense.
Speaker 6: It ain't no message around, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: He's locked in.
Speaker 5: And so it's been really good for us to shout
Speaker 5: out the Stockhouse too, because he's done a good job.
Speaker 5: And I played with Stack in Washington when we played
Speaker 5: with Jordan together, you know, so I love Stack.
Speaker 4: You know that was a fifty one game.
Speaker 3: D Hey, I was guarding. Hill was not guarding.
Speaker 5: They put Stacey offman, you know what I'm saying. It
Speaker 5: was crazy about that day they I looked it up
Speaker 5: the other day when you know he had fifty one points.
Speaker 5: Why I look it up?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 6: I played eighteen minutes. I didn't score.
Speaker 2: Hey, bro, you gotta watch the tape because me and
Speaker 2: you are talking like you gotta watch the game because
Speaker 2: we just having a conversation like oh, I'm not gonna help.
Speaker 2: You're like, well, I ain't getting the ball, Like well,
Speaker 2: ships wish we had some popcorn to watch this.
Speaker 6: Game.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: The reason why he was mad that game is because
Speaker 5: the game before we played New Jersey Nets and they
Speaker 5: put Kenya Martin on him and like he struggled to score,
Speaker 5: you know, and at this point thirty nine, Yeah, it
Speaker 5: was like all you gotta do is put length in
Speaker 5: that lettericism home. He can't score, you know, bigger six eight,
Speaker 5: you know, he can't score on those guys.
Speaker 4: Whatever.
Speaker 5: So the next night we played Charlotte and they, you know,
Speaker 5: put lee lines a couple of guys on defense.
Speaker 6: Y'all had, y'all had, Yeah, David Wesley.
Speaker 4: He got swords.
Speaker 6: J Brown, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, he
Speaker 6: was on one. He was mad because you know, Jersey.
Speaker 1: You had an opportunity this summer to coach uh the Olympics.
Speaker 4: You know, it's a part of the staff, uh Steve.
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest, I was one of the main people.
Speaker 1: I mean, guy, I'm saying, I don't understand how in
Speaker 1: the hell Jason Tatum's not getting any minutes.
Speaker 4: I didn't understand it. Obviously y'all going to win.
Speaker 2: Uh. But and looking back at that situation once, there's
Speaker 2: something that could have been done differently to where Jason
Speaker 2: Tatum because now he got this vengeance against us, and
Speaker 2: I'm not sure he got that same vengeance against y'all.
Speaker 2: T lou but now he got against us.
Speaker 4: But we don't really need right.
Speaker 5: That's my little cousin, you know, So it's from Saint Louis.
Speaker 5: His dad is about first cousin. Yeah, that's my My
Speaker 5: functions in Mexico when he was younger. So that's my cousin.
Speaker 5: So feel bad for him. But you know, we talked
Speaker 5: every single day. But the biggest thing for me, like
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go against the coaching decision. If I'm a coach,
Speaker 5: I'm a stand in, you know, whatever the he coaching
Speaker 5: decision they make. You were you and heard me say
Speaker 5: I disagree, you know, not to not to anybody, because
Speaker 5: you know that's not my response. Like my job is
Speaker 5: to be all in, you know. And so but I
Speaker 5: will say I like the way j T handled himself.
Speaker 6: You know, he was professional. He didn't try to go home.
Speaker 5: And like I said, as a guy who's been first
Speaker 5: team or NBA three years in a row, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, coming off winning the championship, you know,
Speaker 5: won a gold medal back in you know, twenty one,
Speaker 5: Like I said, it was it was tough for him,
Speaker 5: you know, And so I just try to talk to him.
Speaker 5: I just try to be positive with him, keeping the
Speaker 5: right headspace, and like said, I'm just.
Speaker 6: Glad he got through it.
Speaker 5: I'm glad he got a gold medal, like you said,
Speaker 5: and he was able to play. Like I said that
Speaker 5: last game in the gold medal game, so, but I'll
Speaker 5: never be one of those guys where he's family or not.
Speaker 5: If I'm if I'm you know, in the you know,
Speaker 5: that's what it is. And so but I am probably
Speaker 5: like I said, a little jay, how he handled himself
Speaker 5: and how I conducted itself throughout the you know, the
Speaker 5: hard time and adversity of what he had to go through.
Speaker 1: Now I think I think that's dope. Do you ultimately,
Speaker 1: I don't think Steve's going to do it forever? Do
Speaker 1: you hope to ultimately one day take that over and
Speaker 1: be the head coach of the USA team? Is it
Speaker 1: something you want to do again?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I mean I would like that opportunity because you know,
Speaker 5: as a player, you know, you grew up want to
Speaker 5: be on the Olympic team.
Speaker 6: Of course I wasn't good enough.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, but you know, like that's
Speaker 5: what that was your dream, you know, winning the ship,
Speaker 5: you know, being you know, Olympic, NBA to represent your country.
Speaker 6: But now I happen to doing this capacity has been great.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: So to be able to you know, one day be
Speaker 5: the head coach if that was possible, and be able
Speaker 5: to be a young black man to you know, win
Speaker 5: a gold medal for your country.
Speaker 6: I think it says a lot about our youth, about
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 5: He is looking up to us, and you know seeing that,
Speaker 5: you know, young black coach, you know, winning a gold
Speaker 5: medal for your country and represent your country.
Speaker 6: There's no better feeling than that.
Speaker 2: If I'm still playing in twenty twenty eight, me and
Speaker 2: Draymond coming to coach.
Speaker 1: Ah, you coaching because you can't move no more. If
Speaker 1: I'm still playing, Hey, hey, I'm next.
Speaker 2: Year, I'm getting invited to go to State Warriors training camp.
Speaker 2: What do you think my chances are of making the
Speaker 2: team if.
Speaker 3: I'm in shape?
Speaker 6: Well, don't guard staph.
Speaker 3: I'm not messing with stuff.
Speaker 11: Yeah, how do you now?
Speaker 4: Love it?
Speaker 2: You gotta be forty two now, Yeah, I'm like thirty
Speaker 2: eight forty two.
Speaker 4: A wow, I don't know. I'm like thirty seven forty three.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 6: Love.
Speaker 2: I'm telling Jamond, Hey, you think I'm playing, watch me
Speaker 2: make that fucking team next year?
Speaker 4: Back to business.
Speaker 2: You watch Steph Curry go off in the final minutes
Speaker 2: of the Olympic Championship game against France one. How did
Speaker 2: it feel getting the gold medal in that fashion? And
Speaker 2: like talk about the experience now, you know, coach is
Speaker 2: Steph uh in the Olympics.
Speaker 5: To finally be on this team, I felt like Bron, like,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, working for so many times
Speaker 5: it came up short, you know, but it was it
Speaker 5: was really good.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: The thing that I like the most take me out
Speaker 5: of it is that just Katie, Steph and Broun, like,
Speaker 5: you know, three guys, and it's like saying, our generation
Speaker 5: like to be able to play together on that level,
Speaker 5: you know, the represent your country, to win a gold
Speaker 5: metal together. I think that was one of the coolest
Speaker 5: moments I've seen, you know, just seeing those three guys
Speaker 5: come together.
Speaker 6: So that was great.
Speaker 5: And then my time, like I said, I've always dreamed
Speaker 5: of being, you know, in the Olympics, you know, represent
Speaker 5: my country and the winning gold medal, like said, belong
Speaker 5: alongside of Steve.
Speaker 6: How Bron felt about Stephan. I felt about Steve.
Speaker 5: Balin every year you know, batling ballin, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, And Steve's a great coach, and to be
Speaker 5: in it with Spoe and then having Mark Feu from
Speaker 5: Gozaga who was on staff as well. Man, it was
Speaker 5: just great to just you know, learn so much and
Speaker 5: see so much, pick each other's brains.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 6: It was an amazing experience.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: So I'm just happy that like that, Steve, you know,
Speaker 5: extended the invitation as well as Grand Hill.
Speaker 3: And it was.
Speaker 6: It was beautiful.
Speaker 2: Now we're gonna talk a little bit about your playing career.
Speaker 2: You grew up in a small town. I went to Nebraska,
Speaker 2: which we talked about Mexico shot out Mexico eleven thousand people.
Speaker 3: Uh where you were a number?
Speaker 2: Were you in the twenty three twenty third pick in
Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety eight draft? You got the red What
Speaker 2: was at the navigator on the twenty two gold?
Speaker 3: Ye had gold rims too?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, manest bumpkin.
Speaker 2: I relax yourself, man, relax yourself.
Speaker 3: You gotta go there.
Speaker 4: You know, you know Minwestdy right, goes man, that's true.
Speaker 6: But you I didn't have got uh, I didn't have
Speaker 6: goals I had. I had the silver joints.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: I give a shout out to Mark and Darnell. Three
Speaker 6: one on motoring, that's.
Speaker 2: Right, three one on motor I remember that it was kicking
Speaker 2: that that was going up.
Speaker 3: Uh, you got drafted.
Speaker 2: What was who was your favorite player growing up and
Speaker 2: then looking back on your journey, like talk about like
Speaker 2: what made.
Speaker 3: What was like your happiest moment my idol?
Speaker 4: Girl?
Speaker 6: I mean, Jordan was everybody's like, you know, I could
Speaker 6: be sick, I couldn't.
Speaker 5: Be that, but you know, Michael Jordan was definitely everybody's idol,
Speaker 5: but someone that I loved and try to pattern my
Speaker 5: game after. It was three guys. Actually it was Kevin Johnson.
Speaker 5: I love kJ, I love Terrell Brandon, and I love
Speaker 5: Kenny Anderson. Like those were my three guys that I
Speaker 5: looked up to and and like out of lives in wonder,
Speaker 5: you know, Pat of my game after. That's why I like,
Speaker 5: I love the mid range so much because of kJ
Speaker 5: and to real Brandon, two of the best at doing it,
Speaker 5: you know, especially.
Speaker 6: When I was coming up, you know, watching the game.
Speaker 6: And so what was your next was your second question?
Speaker 5: Oh, my favorite moment was It's got to be when
Speaker 5: I got drafted and was able to buy my mom
Speaker 5: our first car.
Speaker 6: You know, we never had a car growing up our
Speaker 6: whole life.
Speaker 5: And to get drafted and buy my mom that Cadillac Escalade,
Speaker 5: her first car.
Speaker 6: You right to Mexico. You know, I say, you big balling,
Speaker 6: but that was one of my happiest moments.
Speaker 5: Get my mom, you know the car, you know, house,
Speaker 5: my grandma house, and like for me, it's always been
Speaker 5: about just taking care of others, taking care of my family,
Speaker 5: and that's why I want to do it.
Speaker 6: That's what made me so hungry.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 5: You know, you think back, like I said, twenty years old,
Speaker 5: twenty one years old. You know red Navigator.
Speaker 2: You know you was a l a after Blue Expedition,
Speaker 2: remember that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so man, you gotta be careful.
Speaker 9: You gotta be killing driving that around here. Whatever you're
Speaker 9: driving Red Navigator. I'm like, man from the Midwest.
Speaker 4: Hey, Dre, he all at Inglewood. He's just going places.
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, you can't be just be driving this
Speaker 2: red Navigator on twenties with the with the thump coming
Speaker 2: out of it.
Speaker 3: Man, I was, yeah, you look like.
Speaker 5: I'm like dwond I'm twenty one years I'm from the
Speaker 5: hood in Mexican. What I'm saying like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: Like I'm hanging with Pete Pierce. You work out together
Speaker 5: every day, you know, we go and play in Rogers Park.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm just hoopy, like I don't know. Hey, bro,
Speaker 5: he is in Remember I take you to the Drew
Speaker 5: League once. You tell me when I took you to
Speaker 5: the juw Leigue, don't ever do what bring you back up?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, hey, that ain't We got down the Jew League
Speaker 5: down you know.
Speaker 6: You know, of course I ain't scared to go nowhere.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm young whatever, But he like Jordan down there,
Speaker 5: so we go to He dropped me off.
Speaker 6: He's all over. He's talking to people by myself. You
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying everything They mugging me. You know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, like, hey, I just stepped over your.
Speaker 4: Stuff to me.
Speaker 3: He was not feeling that.
Speaker 5: We was not feeling the Drew was.
Speaker 4: It was love.
Speaker 2: But it was early too. Remember you was back because
Speaker 2: it was early in the morning. He was like, BD,
Speaker 2: come on, bro, you got me down here. This is
Speaker 2: this is a gambling Jane that was back but old
Speaker 2: Jew at Drew Middle School. Yeah yeah, so the gym
Speaker 2: like this big, the gym like this big. So everything
Speaker 2: somebody say you can hear you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: even people whispering on the sidelines.
Speaker 3: But that was my guy.
Speaker 2: Man, you help me down when I was in college
Speaker 2: and then I wanted to share the story up.
Speaker 4: You probably don't even know.
Speaker 2: Roy Williams recruited me and when I was with the y'all,
Speaker 2: I came out here for the Best in the West
Speaker 2: and U at the time, I was five to three,
Speaker 2: and I used to watch y'all.
Speaker 3: You play for CMH.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was like, that's my guy, that's who
Speaker 2: that's who I can be. When I saw you play
Speaker 2: on CMAHS, I was like, yo, I can beat him
Speaker 2: because I'm going to be a little dude. And I
Speaker 2: played on Paul team. I don't even know if you
Speaker 2: remember that. I was on Paul's team.
Speaker 6: But we played joll in the slamming Jam.
Speaker 2: Yes, Bro, Roy Williams and everybody in the camp thought
Speaker 2: I was a handicapped kid, what you mean because I
Speaker 2: played with a limp. I was fresh, I was three
Speaker 2: days out of a broken ankle, and I showed up
Speaker 2: at the Best in the West because I.
Speaker 3: Just wanted to get recruited.
Speaker 2: So so all he played garbage time, Bro, and I
Speaker 2: and I had and I had a limp. I was
Speaker 2: the little dude on the team with the lip, and
Speaker 2: everybody thought I was handicapped Earn Roy Williams.
Speaker 4: He was like, what happened to that handicapped kid?
Speaker 3: He was so good. I was like, bro, that was me,
Speaker 3: but like you are my guy, man, my god.
Speaker 4: And I'll never forget that. I watched that game, like, damn,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be like him. Man. That little dude got gang.
Speaker 6: He became six three your parenial All Star.
Speaker 1: Max was That was that was That was like one
Speaker 1: of the most shocking things that you had to deal with.
Speaker 4: And like coming from a small city and like moving
Speaker 4: to like l a. Yeah, so.
Speaker 5: I grew up in Mexico to my sophomore year in
Speaker 5: high school and then my sophomore year high school, I
Speaker 5: moved to Kansas City, Okay, Craze and so because like
Speaker 5: in Mexico wasn't being recruited. You there's a lot of politics,
Speaker 5: you know as far as who plays, who doesn't play,
Speaker 5: and people wasn't coming to Mexico to see, you know,
Speaker 5: see kids play.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: So it was hard on my mom, you know, because
Speaker 5: like to let your son go as a sophomore hospital
Speaker 5: to move, you know, to Kansas City.
Speaker 6: I went to Raytown High School.
Speaker 5: It was hard for it. But if I wanted to
Speaker 5: get to where I wanted to get to. It was
Speaker 5: the right move, you know, it was the right move.
Speaker 5: And so I played in Kansas City, went to Raytown
Speaker 5: High School and then I played on the AAU team
Speaker 5: b bed talking about with Derrek Hood, you know, Jamal
Speaker 5: Walker and Manny Dott. I think our whole team went
Speaker 5: D one and the younger team underneath us that played
Speaker 5: up sometimes with Earl Watson, Corey.
Speaker 6: Mcghetty, Jeron Rush cole On.
Speaker 5: You know, so we team and that's when I got
Speaker 5: my first look because I wanted to go to Jordia
Speaker 5: Tech because I was you know, Kenny Yes, and he
Speaker 5: came to one of the games and he ain't looked
Speaker 5: at me one time.
Speaker 6: But it took step. It took step, you know.
Speaker 5: But that's when I kind of like got my name
Speaker 5: and got on the map and that's when I got
Speaker 5: started getting recruited and stuff.
Speaker 6: So it was huge for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we know, you played with Shaq, who's a big
Speaker 2: prankster in l a Uh. You gotta give us a
Speaker 2: wild shock prank or give us you know, I know,
Speaker 2: he's one of the best teammates ever did.
Speaker 6: One of the best teammates.
Speaker 5: Ever, somebody got a genuine and giving and taking care
Speaker 5: of people, like Shaq was dead.
Speaker 6: But I remember one time.
Speaker 5: He has devnth George to do something and Devon didn't
Speaker 5: do it, and so you know, Devin, you know, Lane
Speaker 5: didn't do it.
Speaker 6: Whatever, So shocks all right. Cool.
Speaker 5: So the night before we had a game, Devn's you know,
Speaker 5: I think, on the court shooting whatever, he's doing, the
Speaker 5: training room whatever. So Shaq goes in the stall and
Speaker 5: he takes a ship in Devon shooting.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: And so he takes it and he knocks it. He
Speaker 6: knocks it, you know. So it goes all the way
Speaker 6: down and so definitely definitely.
Speaker 5: Uh comes back, goes put a shoe on Drake and
Speaker 5: he stuck his stuck his footing.
Speaker 10: Some god, wash my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Devin George is a rookie at that point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he devastated. Wow, that's brutal. Man.
Speaker 2: Shaq is the biggest kid in the world, Doug, Shaq
Speaker 2: is the biggest kid in the world.
Speaker 5: You know what I give Shock credit for is I
Speaker 5: give Shock credit for being a megastar but living his life. Yeah,
Speaker 5: because you come across guys that you know, they won't
Speaker 5: come out of house, you won't see him.
Speaker 6: Shaq was out every day.
Speaker 5: So then it became just shocked, you know, And that's
Speaker 5: that's what he should do it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: because he was amongst the people.
Speaker 6: He did everything like so he was a hero. You
Speaker 6: can live a normal life, but you.
Speaker 5: Just you know, like locked, then you come out every
Speaker 5: now and then people don't see you, like it's harder
Speaker 5: for you to live at life.
Speaker 6: But shock, like, man, I'm just gonna live.
Speaker 5: And it's probably the smartest thing you ever did, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Because larger than life, but just
Speaker 5: to live every day life like you know, like me,
Speaker 5: like he just went out every day, did whatever you
Speaker 5: wanted to do. And people like, oh, I just shocked.
Speaker 5: We saw him last week, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: It was cool, Like that was crazy.
Speaker 2: Shack at the city on fire? Oh my god, you
Speaker 2: have the city on fire.
Speaker 1: Trade you get traded to the Lakers on Draft night? Uh,
Speaker 1: first three years, don't go your way. Fast forward to
Speaker 1: the two thousand and one playoffs.
Speaker 2: You find out that you care n ireson. How was
Speaker 2: that conversation with Phil?
Speaker 6: The backtrack.
Speaker 5: The year before the year when Phil got there was
Speaker 5: in two thousand. That's when I had messed my knee
Speaker 5: up and I got a microfracture. So I was out
Speaker 5: for ten mon. I was out the whole year we
Speaker 5: won that first championship, and so coming back the second year,
Speaker 5: it was kind of like, you know, back and forth
Speaker 5: because they were just trying to figure out who was
Speaker 5: a good match and good fit, and so they brought
Speaker 5: in the guy, you know, Mike Penberthy, who was a shark,
Speaker 5: like keeking man, ball all over them. So you know,
Speaker 5: back then, if you go on IR day that you
Speaker 5: got to sit out at least five games. It wasn't
Speaker 5: like you were dressing. So if they put you on IR,
Speaker 5: you had to sit out of five games. And so
Speaker 5: it was like a whole year just back and forth
Speaker 5: with that. I was getting so frustrated. And then one
Speaker 5: time they came and putting me on IR and I
Speaker 5: remember I came in my cousin Dudo.
Speaker 6: I threw it, Uh, you know, I'm like love marble
Speaker 6: fish bowls like that marble. I threw it through a
Speaker 6: glass table.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 6: He went, man, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 6: They put me on I R again.
Speaker 5: I was I was Man, I was, you know whatever,
Speaker 5: going crazy. But the craziest thing is, back in those days,
Speaker 5: if you go on the if you get on the
Speaker 5: playoff roster, you had to be chosen. So we in
Speaker 5: the war room and he feels going around the room
Speaker 5: telling everybody who's on the playoff roster. And so at
Speaker 5: that time we had Mike Pemberthy, j R. Roder and
Speaker 5: myself and so when he called my name in the
Speaker 5: war room, Man I jumped crazy Kobe and them going crazy,
Speaker 5: and now everybody was happy.
Speaker 6: I was hyping. You know what I'm saying. Left Mike
Speaker 6: Pemberthy and j R. Rider off the playoff roster. So
Speaker 6: once you off, you can't play it you do, you
Speaker 6: can't play.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So throughout the course of those playoffs, I was
Speaker 5: playing like, you know, ten twelve minutes a game. And
Speaker 5: when people don't realize, it would have never been me
Speaker 5: in AI if.
Speaker 6: Milwaukee would to beat.
Speaker 5: The Stitchers in the Eastern Conference, because it's been Sam
Speaker 5: Counsel rayality, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't have played, you know.
Speaker 5: So so now we get to the finals and so
Speaker 5: the first game when I chicken like you know, I'm
Speaker 5: AI for two weeks, I'm playing AI, you know, run
Speaker 5: around fast, doing all this stuff, and so I ain't
Speaker 5: nobody was gonna play or not. But first game, with
Speaker 5: six minutes to go in the third quarter, he had
Speaker 5: thirty six points and I hadn't played yet. So the
Speaker 5: first time I checked in was six minutes to go
Speaker 5: in the third quarter, he had already had thirty six.
Speaker 3: That's brutal. He was cutting that.
Speaker 4: He was cooking that game.
Speaker 3: He was cooking that game, man.
Speaker 5: So you got to think, like as a young dude,
Speaker 5: you know, growing up the same height, like I analyzed
Speaker 5: AI too, you know what I'm saying, Like even we
Speaker 5: close in age, like that was like the culture, you know,
Speaker 5: stand up for, you know, who we are as the culture,
Speaker 5: who we are as people, and to live.
Speaker 6: It on the on the level that he did, I
Speaker 6: mean that was huge to me.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: So when I had a chance to go in the game,
Speaker 5: like I said to step over and all that, Like
Speaker 5: at the time, I ain't.
Speaker 6: Even know it was a big deal.
Speaker 5: Like feel like he cost me over and I fell down,
Speaker 5: and you know, like he made it, you know shot,
Speaker 5: I contested it and.
Speaker 6: I stepped on his foot. You know what I'm saying, right,
Speaker 6: but to happen.
Speaker 5: But if it wasn't for that series, if it wasn't
Speaker 5: for Ai making it to the finals, I might have
Speaker 5: beenun the league that next year.
Speaker 4: Dann you play you playing you ball though?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, put me on.
Speaker 5: The mat, because if I didn't have that match up
Speaker 5: with him, like I ended up playing twenty seven minutes
Speaker 5: a game in the finals, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: But if I didn't had that matchup with Ai, I
Speaker 5: wouldn't have a match up against Toronto who had Album
Speaker 5: Williams and Vince Carter, Milwaukee who had you know, Big
Speaker 5: Sam and and Ray and those guys.
Speaker 6: You know, bead, So I wouldn't even have a matchup.
Speaker 5: So thankfully, you know, thank god he made it to
Speaker 5: the finals and like, okay, we need a different you know,
Speaker 5: we need a different guy to guard, you know, And
Speaker 5: that saved my career for real.
Speaker 6: So it was a it was a blessing in disguise.
Speaker 3: So the stepover was worth it. It was will worth it.
Speaker 2: I do it.
Speaker 4: Because you know they doing it in football.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you, you know how you feel
Speaker 2: about all that, you know, I mean.
Speaker 5: For me, it don't I don't feel bad like I said,
Speaker 5: it was a part of the history of a moment
Speaker 5: in history, you know. But like it ain't like I
Speaker 5: got called over failed that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: Like I could test the shot that back.
Speaker 3: On his foot.
Speaker 6: I kind of rolled my ankle, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: But they make a big deal of it.
Speaker 5: But like I said, hey, my man, like if I
Speaker 5: can win the championship, I'll let a step.
Speaker 6: Over right now, step right down.
Speaker 3: That far far.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: You end up leaving the Lakers after that, going to
Speaker 1: the Washington Wizards. End of that September Black Cat m
Speaker 1: j D Michael Jordan decides he is going to return
Speaker 1: and play for the Wizards. How did you learn about
Speaker 1: m j making his returning and was there any indication
Speaker 1: before he announced it that he was going to be
Speaker 1: coming back and playing in that season with you?
Speaker 5: So it's funny how it happened because you know, during
Speaker 5: that series with the Philly Lakers, you know, after that series,
Speaker 5: you know, Doug Collins, he's the one who made that
Speaker 5: step over famous.
Speaker 6: If the one for him, people probably would have made
Speaker 6: a big deal out of it.
Speaker 5: Oh, But then it's funny because he became the head
Speaker 5: coach the next year with the Whistles.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 6: And so after him watching that series, like that's my
Speaker 6: biggest payday. You know, they gave me two years four minutes.
Speaker 5: I'm saying, I'm gonna make a four hundred thousands, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, So like, no, six, six hundred thousand.
Speaker 5: So I was like, Okay, I gotta take this deal.
Speaker 5: But it was grumblers that MJ might come back. But
Speaker 5: you know, MJ was part of the front office already,
Speaker 5: and so a guy you idolized and looked up to,
Speaker 5: if I could be a part of MJ, Like, you know,
Speaker 5: I ain't getting four million dollars a beating, I'm gone,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. So that's what happened. And
Speaker 5: then when I did sign, you know, MJ came back
Speaker 5: and like to have a chance to play with m J,
Speaker 5: and like come on, man, like you go from Kobe
Speaker 5: and Shaq to MJ, Like, well, you couldn't have. You
Speaker 5: couldn't ask me. I could have retired after those two
Speaker 5: years of MJ. I could have retired there and been
Speaker 5: the happy nobody everything be that blessed to you know,
Speaker 5: to have that, you know, play with Kobe shot and
Speaker 5: George crazy.
Speaker 3: Only you and Horace Grant.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, yeah, I know we talked about MJ
Speaker 2: dropping fifty one on us. But I was happy MJ
Speaker 2: came back that year because I had thirty the game
Speaker 2: before and I was MJ that night.
Speaker 3: So I just show my kids that you feel me.
Speaker 2: Hey, if Jordan don't come back, I don't get thirty.
Speaker 2: I can't tell my kids. They won't believe I even
Speaker 2: played the one for that damn dunk. But like one
Speaker 2: of the most like one of the most iconic players.
Speaker 2: One of the most iconic players of MJ's career was
Speaker 2: the chase down block on Ron Mercer.
Speaker 3: That was crazy.
Speaker 4: Oh so you just around chased down blocks?
Speaker 3: That's no.
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean I missed.
Speaker 5: I mean I was part of it because I was
Speaker 5: there when Taken blocked Bggie Miller.
Speaker 6: Uh wow, you do it? There there for that bad
Speaker 6: bron and then Jordan's when he pitted against the glass
Speaker 6: two hands.
Speaker 3: Wow. That was crazy.
Speaker 2: And Ron Mercer was like an all American. I thought
Speaker 2: that was the thing that killed his confidences. He was.
Speaker 6: Him him KG stuff, you know, But like Ron Mercer
Speaker 6: was shout.
Speaker 2: Out, there was a legendary twenty ten pickup team. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there was a legendary pickup team in Las Vegas, Impact
Speaker 2: known for training. Uh no, we it was a it
Speaker 2: was a league. I think they're trying to give y'all credit.
Speaker 6: It wasn't a league.
Speaker 4: It was just runs. But you'll cheated all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah you, Chauncey, Yeah yeah, I was cheating, Brody.
Speaker 6: Let me tell you what happened. So and you know
Speaker 6: I was a solid player.
Speaker 2: But in the summertime, oh my god, right, bro oh
Speaker 2: my god, and.
Speaker 5: So so we had you don't like this story too,
Speaker 5: because it's your partner to day. They so we we
Speaker 5: played best of seven series every day for for two months.
Speaker 6: We had the same team. We didn't lose a series
Speaker 6: for two months.
Speaker 5: And the team we had was just all guys that
Speaker 5: were just like milde packed players, you know what I'm
Speaker 5: saying in the NBA, but like together. It was me, Tayshawn,
Speaker 5: Jared Dudley, Patrick O'Brien, and our best player was Alan Anderson.
Speaker 11: Wow, double a god, Oh my god, Jordan that summer hey,
Speaker 11: hey daddy, he was Jordan bro Like it was just
Speaker 11: running thing.
Speaker 5: Like we never got beat. So they bought him. Beatie
Speaker 5: and Steven Jackson and Matt Barnes round our test, guys
Speaker 5: was flying in l a are we gonna beat this
Speaker 5: to nobody? Beat us to hold some Chauncey Kyle, Larry
Speaker 5: Jo We Hey, everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah read yeah, read yeah, read yeah read the show.
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna even lie. We could have We could
Speaker 2: have beat y'all, but remember I had Tony Allen on
Speaker 2: my team. Hey, and and t A Oh my god,
Speaker 2: t A pastor ball b I'm out here working on
Speaker 2: my game to o G like nah, not bro getting.
Speaker 6: Hey day we flitzing pick and rolls.
Speaker 4: H Hey they call it sets.
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, we rotate Jao catching the post with Patrick
Speaker 5: o'brown become double team.
Speaker 6: He kicking the ball. Hey, dudes was first.
Speaker 4: Hey, that's that's funny.
Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was that summer, but I
Speaker 1: know I had been up to impact when you were
Speaker 1: up there, t Lou, because I remember the day that
Speaker 1: I was up there. Big baby was up there. D
Speaker 1: Jones came in yelling.
Speaker 2: To the top of his lung, talking ship to everybody.
Speaker 4: Then you can.
Speaker 1: Because Joe D Joe D has sent me Jordan a
Speaker 1: couple more of our friends out there to train for
Speaker 1: like four or five days.
Speaker 2: So we was out there training that impact.
Speaker 4: Yeah, on the on the little side court.
Speaker 2: Relax yourself, bro, Like we got main court work, Joe Dubar,
Speaker 2: we got main court work, a.
Speaker 4: Little side court, and then the defunk court.
Speaker 3: It's cool. It's cool, y'all.
Speaker 2: Both y'all both the hell Now, how about that? He say,
Speaker 2: when I make the team. Now you're both old as hell.
Speaker 2: Now you want to know, take the side.
Speaker 5: But Joe bar Man, he ran a hell Joe he
Speaker 5: uh with impact man, it was that was that was
Speaker 5: huge though.
Speaker 4: He did it.
Speaker 2: Great job for sure, Teelu. What's your biggest coaching What if?
Speaker 5: What if bron stays in Cleveland? And what if Katie
Speaker 5: doesn't go to Golden State?
Speaker 2: That's a good one. Well, what player is the hardest
Speaker 2: to game playing for?
Speaker 5: It's always been Steph, Like you know, I think you
Speaker 5: know Steph is, I mean, is one of the hardest,
Speaker 5: I mean the hardest guy the game playing for because
Speaker 5: of like everything he creates. He creates everything off his movement,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And people always want to
Speaker 5: try to duplicate you know what Golden State does. But
Speaker 5: you can't duplicate that because your best player, who was
Speaker 5: a Hall of Famer, who was the top five player
Speaker 5: in the league, like that's how.
Speaker 6: He wants to play, you know. So they got to come, man,
Speaker 6: well we don't like you know, are why was I
Speaker 6: gonna run around like that? Run around like James Hardy
Speaker 6: gonna run like that like you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: So you can't duplicate that.
Speaker 5: And that's why I always say, like, you got to
Speaker 5: coach to your personnel, not to your system, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. Your your personnel has to fit your system.
Speaker 5: If not, you gotta change and do different things. Like
Speaker 5: every year I coach different. I got a different system,
Speaker 5: you know, every year. But Steph is the player that
Speaker 5: loves to play that way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So when you have your best player that wants to
Speaker 5: play that way, it's easy to do because their bosse
Speaker 5: falls in line. But if you don't have that person
Speaker 5: they have a guy to do that, it's hard to
Speaker 5: play that style of basketball.
Speaker 2: We're always in for a good list before we get
Speaker 2: out of here. Appreciate you taking all this time. By
Speaker 2: the way, I hope, I hope I cost y'all loss
Speaker 2: so we can catch up with y'all.
Speaker 3: But you know that's a.
Speaker 6: Couple of days.
Speaker 1: You know, we always up a good list, So I'm
Speaker 1: asking you this question. I also love that it's become
Speaker 1: more of a thing, like there's more of us, and
Speaker 1: like that's the way it should be. Your top five
Speaker 1: coaches that are players that turn coaches of all time?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 3: What what? What are the qualifications?
Speaker 4: Do it? Just dudes who coached?
Speaker 1: They were they were NBA players, and then and then
Speaker 1: and they are the top five they were NBA players,
Speaker 1: The top five coaches that were players turn coaches.
Speaker 6: Doc Rivers. I would say Al Adams.
Speaker 4: Great, r I P great, Alan Adams.
Speaker 5: I would say Bill Russell, Oh my god, Casey Jones,
Speaker 5: and then probably Lenny Lookins.
Speaker 2: No feel yeah yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but like feel like feels like kind of
Speaker 5: grandfather like you talking about the most Shack.
Speaker 6: No, No, you don't count shack. You do you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying? Like you you don't status? Yeah, I
Speaker 6: mean yeah, like.
Speaker 2: I feel like feeling Patterson like their own and another ballpark.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I forget about pat.
Speaker 6: You got to ask me. I gotta write that down first,
Speaker 6: and then I got it.
Speaker 4: You know. Here's the thing though, t Lou, I love Pat,
Speaker 4: I love Phil, but.
Speaker 1: It's it's the same thing kind of ends up happening
Speaker 1: with m J, where you like, yo, he and his
Speaker 1: own ballpark, but like no, but like people can't catch up,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like people have put Phil
Speaker 1: again and feeling pat nobody's caught up, but maybe Pop
Speaker 1: nobody's caught up. But we always put these guys in
Speaker 1: these categories like they can't their stuff can't be touched.
Speaker 4: But like it's guys working towards that.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like when people talk to goat debate,
Speaker 1: for instance, a lot of people just say like Brian,
Speaker 1: like they ain't gonna say it's Brian or they ain't
Speaker 1: gonna say it's Kobe because they come after MJ. Not
Speaker 1: saying that they are better, but just because you come after, don't.
Speaker 2: Like what what is it that has to go on
Speaker 2: for someone to be like, okay, they are in that
Speaker 2: category with feeling that the Godfathers feeling and pat Win.
Speaker 5: You know, I think the biggest thing when you look
Speaker 5: at that, no matter who's on the team or who's playing,
Speaker 5: like you gotta win at a high level you know,
Speaker 5: and so I look at pat Riley, when I look
Speaker 5: at Field, like they want at an elite level, like say,
Speaker 5: have a pop ring, Steve Kerr forred rings, like you know,
Speaker 5: so like they want at an elite level, And so
Speaker 5: I just I base.
Speaker 6: Everything I was winning, you know me.
Speaker 5: You know, so when you look at pat Riley, you
Speaker 5: look at red Arabag, you look at you know, Phil
Speaker 5: Jackson like it's I mean, I know you should exclude him,
Speaker 5: but like they're just in their own yeah for sure,
Speaker 5: you know then and then you just kind of go
Speaker 5: from there. But man, we gotta start all over again.
Speaker 2: Then let's go go for it. Stevie Kurry, Steve. I
Speaker 2: was going to Stevie kurtin next.
Speaker 5: But you but you forget like the players that actually coach,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Like, so, Steve Kurk.
Speaker 4: Doc.
Speaker 5: Doc Lenny Wilkins, Lenny, are you are you basing off like.
Speaker 2: I was basing it off of your hoop game? And
Speaker 2: then how you won as a coach?
Speaker 4: Yeah? What you like?
Speaker 5: You was you a solid player? Like with you a
Speaker 5: solid player in the hoop game and solid as the coach?
Speaker 1: You mean, like I mean, all right, you know what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. We're gonna go mixing the player and
Speaker 1: the coach. The greatest of all time. Stevie Kurr, You
Speaker 1: drop out, my friend.
Speaker 6: He made one of the bigges shots in the NBA.
Speaker 2: He did, but he made the shot, like, come on,
Speaker 2: Steve Kirk, Stevie Kurkr, that's my guy who Steve Kerr
Speaker 2: got me side in my chest in San Antonio.
Speaker 3: He's gonna flash the championship.
Speaker 4: Brings on me.
Speaker 5: And he had and he had the highest three point
Speaker 5: percent I think in NBA.
Speaker 3: He did, he did.
Speaker 4: Steve Kerry was tough.
Speaker 6: Players her Ptil Jackson, pat Riley dot.
Speaker 3: All Star Bill, I mean Bill. Of course.
Speaker 6: Wilkins was one big.
Speaker 3: Yep. Lenny Wilkins won one as a player.
Speaker 6: And then he won. Yes, tough.
Speaker 1: Those lists are always tough, man. We respect all them goats.
Speaker 1: By the way, this is just Magic Johnson.
Speaker 4: Magic.
Speaker 3: Magic was an awful coach.
Speaker 6: He wasn't awful coach. When you have great players to
Speaker 6: try to coach, you don't have the patience.
Speaker 3: That's a fact.
Speaker 8: Zee.
Speaker 4: When we see you, yeah, like.
Speaker 5: I'm never gonna be you Like you can get mad
Speaker 5: at me because I can't throw that when you when
Speaker 5: you're great like that, they don't have the patience to
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, to do it.
Speaker 6: And they didn't think everybody's gonna be as great as them.
Speaker 6: But it don't work like that.
Speaker 4: For sure. We respect all these grades. We love them.
Speaker 4: T Lou Man, we can't thank you enough, my brother.
Speaker 4: And this was incredible.
Speaker 1: Hey, by the way, I got a shirt story before
Speaker 1: we go. I was going through my stuff last year
Speaker 1: and I talked to t Lu face to face fresh
Speaker 1: on suspension, and Tu told me something very interesting, and
Speaker 1: I'll be trying to practice that. And I will say
Speaker 1: I've taken steps in the right direction, meaning I pick
Speaker 1: and choose.
Speaker 3: T Lou said, Dre, you gotta still be you.
Speaker 4: He's like you you you ain't special.
Speaker 3: Not being Hugh's like, that's what makes you special.
Speaker 1: You have to be you, and you have to play
Speaker 1: with that same fire and you have to be that
Speaker 1: same guy, he said.
Speaker 3: But it can't be everybody like.
Speaker 2: It can't be you going as your teammates and then
Speaker 2: going as your coach, and then going at the referees,
Speaker 2: and then going that players on the other team. It
Speaker 2: can't be everybody you got it, like maybe you at
Speaker 2: the referees all right, cool and move on right like
Speaker 2: he said, but you can't.
Speaker 3: It can't be everybody.
Speaker 2: And I just wanted to share that and I just
Speaker 2: wanted to say thank you because that at that time
Speaker 2: was huge for me and it's actually a lot better.
Speaker 4: For me and implemented that.
Speaker 1: You know, some games, I'm like, yo, I'm at this
Speaker 1: dude today. Some games I'm like, yo, it's a referee.
Speaker 1: I really don't like him.
Speaker 2: I'm at him right now, like you know, but it
Speaker 2: is like yo, pick and choose, like it can't be this,
Speaker 2: can't be that, can't be.
Speaker 3: This can't be that.
Speaker 2: And so I number one, I wanted to say thank
Speaker 2: you for that gym, that free game.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that my brother, but that was that was
Speaker 4: big for me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean because he pined so much in the game.
Speaker 5: And like you said, you know, when you when your
Speaker 5: when your mind's everywhere, you can't focus on what you're
Speaker 5: trying to focus on, and so you can't be mad.
Speaker 5: And coaches, math, the players, math and reps, math, the
Speaker 5: old team, math, the fans, you know.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And now the swing swing, you got a shot you
Speaker 5: so womed up like you ready to fight everybody in
Speaker 5: the building.
Speaker 3: By till you get a shot.
Speaker 5: But no, like I say, I do you know, appreciate
Speaker 5: what you bringing like like a brother to me, you know.
Speaker 5: So I just wanted to if it wouldn't be right
Speaker 5: if I didn't tell you, like you know what I
Speaker 5: thought you could take and do what you want with it.
Speaker 5: But like, I just feel like I would have been
Speaker 5: a brother if I, you know, tell you like you know,
Speaker 5: this is how it should be. So I'm glad you're
Speaker 5: able to implement that and and kind of go from there.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, brother. And the words of b D
Speaker 2: the t louisms. It's a rap from this episode of
Speaker 2: The Draymond Green Show.
Speaker 1: Shout out to you fans. We appreciate y'all to it
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