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And 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:50.360 as we get into today's episode, I told y'all therapy works. 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:54.160 And you know, I've been through a lot in my life, 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.120 a lot in my career, and to bring this guy 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.760 on with some of the wrong he's done in my life, 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:04.200 it's a big step for me in my journey. But 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.840 today's Yes, he's an eleven year NBA veteran, two times 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:11.360 NBA champion as a player. He is an NBA champion 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:13.440 as a coach, which we do not want to talk 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:14.000 about here. 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:17.560 One of the best coaches in the league. 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:20.359 First shore, bar None, I got a lot of respect 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:25.320 for quite honestly, one of the coaches I hate playing against. 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.720 And we'll get into that a little bit. We have 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.120 our little banters. I talked junk Toy, but. 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:33.560 None other coach of the Los Angeles Clippers, t lou 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:35.600 What's how you love. 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:44.040 My guy? What's happening? What's up? What's coach Laco at? 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:44.520 My dog? 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:46.800 My dog is a coach, you know what I mean. 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.320 We came in the league together. You got all them 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:54.040 gray hairs. 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:58.240 Years old, and I'm coaching now twenty six years later. 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.160 I'm coaching like I would never thought I'd be coaching, man. 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.360 But it's been a blessing. You know, the game of 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.080 basketball has been a blessing for all of us. And 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:08.200 then just to you know, turn the chapter from being 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:11.240 a player to being a coach. Man, it's really putting 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.399 me in a great position. Like I said, basketball is everything, 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.120 you know. You know, I wouldn't know what to do 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.359 ify they playball, like I said, or if I wasn't coaching. 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.280 So it's everything, man. Just you know, just to speak 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.560 about coaching, you know what I mean? Uh, you know, 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:27.600 you one of the best coaches in the league. 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:28.520 Uh. 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:33.440 Man, You're an NBA champion, and I would like to 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:37.240 kick the show off by talking about, let's get into 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:40.920 this Cavs Warriors situation and is this the first time 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:46.480 you ever talked about this? Sorry, Jake, come on, you 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.880 know that was coming listen. Was the fastball, the amount 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:54.040 of times I see T Lou like I see T 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.480 Lou at private events. 0:03:56.480 --> 0:04:00.680 We are part of the same family, like like, we've 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.960 never spoke about this, and the fact that we starting 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.080 this podcast and that's what you want to talk about. 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.680 Man, I'm one today. 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.600 Y'all could have took Draymond Green out of the show today. 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:13.560 This just could have been the Baron Davis. 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.080 Show today if that's what you wanted to start this 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:18.800 just show off talking about it. But since you want 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.839 to talk about it, let's talk about it. Let's talk 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.160 about Let's talk about it. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:26.360 Teelor when you worried. 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:30.160 The first two games, especially the last time y'all saw 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.320 the Warriors in the finals. They won the last three 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:37.479 games and then Draymond you can talk about, you know, 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.200 in the finals, how y'all felt the first two games. 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:43.599 But you know, coach walk us through this series. You 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:48.120 know what was the mentality and feel free because you 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:49.160 say whatever you want? 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:53.200 You know what I mean? 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:57.080 You know, like, well, for me, it was like, you know, 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:58.880 you go through the you know, you go through the 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.039 Eastern Conference, you know, and you know it's a different 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.640 style of basketball. Until you actually play the Golden State 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.240 Warriors and see the speed and the pace that they 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.560 play with. You can't duplicate it, you know. And we 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:11.360 had a lot of time to prepare it, but you can't. 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:13.719 You can't prepare for the speed, can't prepare for the 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.400 shot making and how hard they run their stuff, you know. 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.599 And so when we got to Golden State for those 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:22.240 first two games, man, we couldn't keep like we were 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:23.120 just like they were just. 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:24.960 Playing so fast and so fast. 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.600 And what happens is a lot of people get you know, 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:29.960 they go crazy about the threes that clay and stuff, 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.279 whatever's gonna make with you lose sight of shit. 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:33.839 They got sixty points in the pain. 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:36.719 Because you wanted the step if you're trying to do 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:38.359 and now you got Drake, you know, one of the 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:39.400 best passes in the league. 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:41.279 You soon as you go out to help step, they slip, 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.680 They getting dunks and getting layups, and so you kind 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:45.960 of lose sight of everything else because you're so worried 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.520 about Clay and Steph you know, coming off screens. And 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.680 so those first two games, like it was hard to 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:52.960 make adjustice because. 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:53.960 It was blood. 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.600 Four or so, like how do you really adjust? 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:02.520 But you know, I think the adjustment we made was 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:04.839 it was really good for us, because you know, you play, 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.359 you think about we're gonna switch everything, you know we 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.400 want to, and they just picked you apart, an pick 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.719 you apart, so you know, look at the film. 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:13.800 Over and over and over again. 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.640 When game three came, I said, you know what we're 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:21.240 gonna We're only gonna switch Steph and Clay's when when 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.440 they come together and splits everybody else, We're gonna just 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:28.040 drop back. You chase and follow, and then we'll protect you. 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.240 Like if if Barbosa pops back, if Egal Dollar pops back, 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:34.080 if Sean Liberston pops back, we'll live with the results. 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.960 But you can't like switch everybody. They were just too good. 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:39.640 And if you got j R. 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.520 Smith chasing Steph full speed and now you gotta stop 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.880 and kept trying to go back, it was too much. 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.760 And so like listen, if Stephan and Clay come together, switch, 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:49.160 If not, you're on your own. 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.560 You got Steph and you got Clay and that really 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.120 helped us out, you know a lot. And so what 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.720 people don't understand is like after the first two games, 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:00.000 I didn't show film like because you know, because sometime 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.520 I'm brown and be you upset and he in the 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.240 back rolling his eyes. You know what, I'm gonna stay 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:09.760 positive everything we do. We shot half course shots, we 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:11.480 just did a lot of different stuff. And then when 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.080 we won Game three, then that was a game I 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.200 kind of showed all our mistakes. Well, we need to 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:17.920 clean up, we need to get better at because when 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:19.840 you win a game, it's easier to kind of show 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.040 that stuff. So they came back at one game four 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.600 film and so I baff was like, man, what the 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.120 hell is Timely doing. I'm like, bro, you don't understand, 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.520 Like she just just relaxed like I got you know, 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.679 and so but it was it was, I mean, playing 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.160 them every single night, man, Like you know, it's just tough, 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:37.560 like the pace they play at. 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:39.560 People don't understand until you actually get it. 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:42.840 Yeah, and then you know, speaking up, well, j I'll 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:47.920 let you talk in a minute, but uh, speaking up 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.880 on game four one of the biggest turning points in 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:52.520 the series. 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.040 And then you find out. 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:59.920 Dre Man wasn't gonna play game five, Like, what was 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:05.160 the adjustments, like, you know, going from game four to 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.840 game five, because once y'all, once y'all tied it up. 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:11.400 I like watching the series because I felt like every 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:17.640 game after Game three, it was like somebody went back 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.840 and made key adjustments to make the game that must 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:22.360 stick here, right. 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.880 Yeah, I mean, so, you know, they win game four, 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:26.880 you know, and I thought we played, you know, good 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.360 enough to win, but they win Game four, and then 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:32.760 we got to go back to Golden State, you know, 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:34.960 for game five, and then we get the news that 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:38.200 you know, Draymond's gonna be out. So for us, that 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:41.200 was something for us like the automatic pick our pressure up, like, 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.240 you know, now we got to pick our pressure up. 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.200 We got to now we got to extend because they 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.600 didn't have like ego doc and make plays like in transition. 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.120 But Drey was more of the half court past, you know, 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.600 so he's basically the point guard. And so when he 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:54.440 was out, we knew we had to pick our pressure 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:56.160 up to try to take him out of everything they 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.280 try to like they try to do, you know. And 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.680 so it's a funny story when we get to game seven, 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:04.319 and I think you probably Rember Jaymond, but you but 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:06.200 if you go back and watch the game. So at 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:10.160 the end of the game, we were up three and 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.720 we went over, like y'all, y'all's knee three plays. We 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.720 went over every single day for three weeks straight, but 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:18.839 one of the games were close, so we did it. 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.400 So Coffee and Kyrie and Brown like, man, we're doing 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:22.079 this shit again. 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.320 I'm like, man, you never know, it's gonna come down 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:24.800 to something. 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:28.360 And so for each play, we had different guys guarding 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.640 different positions, and so when they came out to run 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:33.480 a knee three plays, you know, Drey was taking it 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:35.679 out and we jumped to our formation and d was 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:37.520 kind of looked like, like, what's going on. So we 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.760 deflected the bar in the bounce. So then they go 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:43.120 their second knee three play, they switched it and our 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.440 players was guarding somebody different and we was able to 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:46.040 take it away. 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.880 And then so Bron said, man, it came down to games. 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:50.439 I said, you never know, like you got to work 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.480 on it every single day because you never know when 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:53.200 you're gonna need it. 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:54.880 And so every day we work on the knee three. 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:56.920 They're like, man, ain't none of the games been close 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.760 while we're doing this, and then Game seven it came 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.040 down to, yeah. 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:06.240 Man, that was crazy, what BD? Welcome to the party, 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:07.000 Come on, Jray. 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:08.040 I appreciate it. 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:12.000 Speaking piece, I don't have much to say. 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:17.040 We lost, but what I will say is no, it's 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:21.120 crazy because in playing in those series like it prepared 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:25.520 us in moving forward to know how to make those 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.160 adjustments because it was a chess match, like every time 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.240 we would play from game to game, they make this move, 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:32.240 We make this move. 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.640 They moved a queen, we move we move our rook. 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.320 You know they we move our like. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:39.520 That's that's what those series were. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:45.600 Obviously, when I got suspended for game five, it changed everything. 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.000 But also you know their adjustment. 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:53.200 It's interesting because their adjustment to pick up the pressure 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.200 is obviously how they took over and won the game. 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:57.360 Because when you get in a. 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:03.040 Lot of series and a key piece like that gets moved, 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.960 normally your game plan stay the same, right because you're like, oh, 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:09.360 we've been playing this team, your game plan stay the same, 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:11.800 and then you come out there and you get blasted, 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.199 like it happened us a couple of years ago when 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.920 we won a Championship. We played Memphis and game four, 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.200 Game five or something like that, and jaw was hurt. 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:23.520 I was Game five they beat us by sixty because 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.040 we didn't like there was no adjustment, Like you didn't 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.440 know what team you was about to play, whereas opposed 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:32.000 to you've been preparing for this one team and you 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:33.960 know the adjustments that you need to make. It's a 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:37.480 different team now, and so that's an interesting adjustment. But no, 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:41.240 when game five it changed everything, Like we're going home 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.920 and obviously they're going to make an adjustment, but you know, 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.840 for us, we're going home to close out this series, 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:48.240 and that's the mindset. 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:51.720 Then not get suspended. And I'll never forget. 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:55.360 I was watching that game next door at the Age 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.240 game and I had on all black, I had on 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.600 some black Nike combat boots, and I had my route 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:02.480 down and everything. 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.280 I'm like, yeah, we're gonna win. 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.960 This game, and I'm taking the long route to the 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:09.559 court so i can walk past all of the casts 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:11.959 when they walk into the locker rooms, they head down 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:15.200 and I'm all black and up mobbing in there, and 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.080 it just didn't work out for us. Man, I was 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.720 sitting in that I was sitting in this sweet washing 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:24.120 the game, and I didn't realize I didn't recognize the 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:25.720 team I was watching, like. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.760 It was it just looks like a different team to me. 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.920 And so then the comeback game six, like we lost 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.920 game six in game five, like game there was zero 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:37.600 percent chance we. 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:39.400 Were going to Cleveland and win game six. 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.360 So we had already lost game six in game five, 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:47.439 and then we end up in game seven and t 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.679 lou game plan is to make me beat them, and 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.640 I had the game of my life and ultimately. 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.320 I was there. I was at that game. I was 0:12:59.360 --> 0:12:59.960 at that game. 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.680 But you but you know, like something about coaching, you 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.320 know that is like when you got when you got 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.560 the control of your team and they respect you and 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.520 they they trust you, Like you know, you have five 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.079 frees a halftime and then not one player come in 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.200 crying about like that's the game plan, Like you know, 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.240 like it can make shots, but we keep stepping claytrom 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.560 you know, making seven eight threes and we keep the 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:23.480 bar in their hands, like that's what we want to do. 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.600 And you gotta think for the best team in NBA 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:28.200 history record wise, like we helped you out to eighty 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:32.360 nine points in game seven, like we just they just 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:33.320 we just stuck with it. 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:35.199 Like and Jr. Like I said, Jr. 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.160 Smith was huge in that third quarter coming out then, 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.640 but like it just and you had to balan the 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:42.120 best game of your life, you know. 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:45.640 But you know what's crazy though, to Luke is that game. 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.719 And it was a mixture of that game and then 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:54.360 also KD coming and so the mixture of that game 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:55.040 and me like. 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:01.400 Shooting the lights out scoring that wheel how well. 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.920 I scored thirty one or thirty three or something like that, 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.760 thirty five and we only had eighty nine points. 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:08.880 I have thirty five. 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.400 And so me being the player that I am, which 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:16.640 is seventy percent cerebral, KD coming in, which means I 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.200 have to kind of take more of a backseat anyway, right, 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:22.960 But at the same time, that's coming on the heels 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.560 of me just having thirty five and we lost, and 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:32.280 so now my mindset ends up turning two, Well, they 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.760 want me to take this shot because I just had 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:38.600 thirty five in game seven and we lost. So then 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:42.040 I stopped shooting right like, because I'm like, oh, they 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:45.760 want me to take the shot. In turn, I didn't 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:49.000 spend two and a half years with zero confidence in 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:53.000 my shot and just dho and to find creative ways 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.200 to get Stephan Clayton them involved because I ain't want 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:58.280 to shoot because I lost all confidence. But a part 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:02.840 of me losing confidence was that aim and not taking 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:06.360 the shot and taking the shots right like and actually 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.040 making them. 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:08.800 But we ain't win. 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.680 So I'm like that what that's the mindset they want 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.720 me to shoot, So I'm not gonna shoot because their 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.720 game planning to make me shoot, So why would I shoot? 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:19.840 And then it led down to this whole path for 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.200 like then being like afraid to shoot, like and losing 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:26.800 my confidence in my shot and like hesitating and then 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.800 having to get over that mental hurdle. It all started 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.880 for me there, which was crazy because it was your 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.000 game plan, But then it became a part of my 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:38.720 mind of like that's the game plan, why would I shoot? 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.240 But now you shoot and. 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.720 Turning the TLU telling them don't let me shoot the knight. 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:44.760 God damn. 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:50.800 Man, this is this is therapeutic man. 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:53.680 This is therapeutic man. That was That's a hell of 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:57.560 a moment, a full circle moment. That's hell therapeutic man. 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.200 I'm glad t LIU see we got that. It's the 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.400 hardest part. 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But there was 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.199 some story about you collecting money that you left in 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:57.160 the ceiling or. 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.399 Some let me in on this story. 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.400 I need to know more because next time we played 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.120 in a meaningful series, I'm going to that locker room 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.840 the night before and taking that money. 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:16.000 So after we won game five, so you know all 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.520 the owners and you know the GM. Everybody's in the 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.480 locker room. They celebrating what everybody's happy. So I go 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:23.480 in the locker room and say, everybody, give. 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:24.120 Me two hundred dollars. 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.959 It's like what what I was like, I'm gonna take it, 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:28.840 wrap it up. I'm put in the ceiling and we 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.159 come back and get our money for game seven. And 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.000 so where I got that from was from uh, you know, 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:38.359 Doc Rivers. We played the Lakers in two thousand and nine. 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.680 We played the Lakers during the regular season, it might 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:44.200 have been Christmas, and they blew us out like they 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:47.040 killed And so Doc went around the room and collected 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.360 money from everybody, put the money in the sealing, said 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:51.280 we're coming back to the NBA finals, and we coming 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.840 back to get our money. And we came back and 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:55.560 we played in the finals. They beat us that year, 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:57.840 but we came back and played in the finals. And 0:18:57.880 --> 0:18:59.919 now the money was still up there too, in the ceiling. 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:03.360 So I got that from Doc, and so we came 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.000 back game seven. I'm gonna tell you what's crazy that, 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:12.080 you know how cheak Lebron is. Oh man, God, we 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.520 win a championship game seven. If I go up in 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:16.800 the ceiling, the money still He's like forty seven hundred 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:17.479 or something like that. 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:19.840 Right, So Ship our pocket, you know what I'm saying. 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:26.560 And so Lebron they throwing champagne Solebron's at lou where's 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:27.440 that money at man? 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:32.240 Man, I went up there. It's missing all my We 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:33.440 just want a championship. 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:41.400 He's wanted by getting great is hilarious because that is 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:44.920 exactly how he is to every that's crazy. 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:45.800 He progal. 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:48.600 I mean, I mean genderous too. I'm just staying. But 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:53.520 like he want his money back. Yeah, yeah, he earned that. 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:58.000 He need his cut pocketing too. 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:00.639 In the middle of popping ship, I used to want 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:02.560 a championship and you asked what the two mons? 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:07.520 I don't forget, but I was just about to say. 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.800 But interestingly enough, it's less about him being frugal and 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:14.439 more about like, dude, don't miss anything, Like yeah, they 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:15.120 don't miss. 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:20.200 Nothing nothing, man. And like I said, him and Kyrie 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:23.240 like that they were special. That that uh, that final, 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.640 they were special, like saying game five, both of those 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:29.680 guys having forty and just like I said, and once 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.760 we got to game seven, like Brons said, give me 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.399 the game seven and I'll do the rest, you know, 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.960 and so but bad bad man. 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:40.000 Yeah, speaking of Game seven. 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:43.200 I mean, everybody talk about the block and then obviously 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:48.080 Kyrie shot uh, but there is there another play that 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:51.080 you feel people miss that helped secure that title. 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:51.920 Kevin Love. 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:55.119 When he switched out on step he sat down. 0:20:55.600 --> 0:21:00.119 Hey, dude, he said, that's one of the all some 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.679 men sitt downs in NBA history. 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.040 Dude, that was crazy. 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:08.320 Because it's crazy because it wasn't supposed to happen. 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:09.920 So you know, like you know what I'm saying, I 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:14.000 don't want Love on step I don't want that. 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:15.879 I'm happened and break down with that. 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:18.720 He ended up on Steph and I mean, k Love, 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:21.000 I give him crap and he sat down, he sat down. 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:23.679 He got it four or five different moves like you know, 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:27.480 step into a tough shot. But that was a big play. 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:29.159 I think we might have been up three or maybe four. 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:32.600 I'm not maybe thirty three yeah, three yeah, big stock. 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:36.240 And I think that's when Bron got the rebound got fouled, 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:40.040 and then we thought, no, no, got to stop. Kyrie 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:42.399 went coach and Coach Stewart Lebron and you bout him. 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:46.600 And then he was, yeah, that was Ca Love man 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:47.440 moving them puppies. 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:51.360 He was that's crazy because we watched we seen like, oh, 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:54.920 this is it, like we have y'all stepp about to tie. 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:57.520 This is it? Like we got the height so it's 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:00.000 over and he was moved. 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:01.920 But I think it's somebody was thought he was gonna 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:02.800 lay it down. Yeah. 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:03.760 I thought he was gonna. 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:07.680 Lay Yeah, step too for sure, because like I mean, 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:08.480 he was there. 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:08.960 He was there. 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:12.000 He boomed like damn, okay, Kate Love. But I was nervous. 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:12.760 I was nervous. 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:18.159 That was That was the moment, dude, I thought he was. 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:20.680 I thought Steph was gonna drive because he had got 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:22.840 a lay up. I feel like the play before on 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:26.280 the drive and it was enough time, you know what 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:26.640 I mean. 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:28.840 But that switch was like. 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:31.960 Okay, Steph getting to the step back and shout out, 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:35.600 shout out to the brill and great Kevin Love. Uh 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:40.159 you know, we shut down, stop it, sit down, and 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.879 a couple of people l a that sit you. Russ 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:54.320 and Drew keep going, norm you know what hold on? 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:57.440 Nor was in some the show talking about defense. 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:06.000 Just keep talking about come on, what happened all offense now? 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:06.800 T Lou. 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:09.719 And Matt barrs. 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:10.120 That's it. 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:14.960 That's all y'all got this loom loom loom, come on, 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:17.760 Peyton Watson, Jack Levine. 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:21.000 But but Zach Levine and if you don't sack, don't 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:25.720 play no. Also, I mean in that whole group you 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:29.440 just named, how many all defensive teams into that group? Man, 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:32.440 we always get all right back. So we're gonna move 0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:35.359 on there, We're gonna move on. We're gonna move on. 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:38.520 We's not gonna speak and U c l A like 0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:44.359 they defense you, baby, We're gonna see when that matchup happened. 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:47.600 Y'all don't want to play us, y'all. It's it's nice 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:50.360 weather where y'all go to school. Don't y'all don't want 0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:51.480 to play us. Don't do that. 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:55.800 It's crazy because T Lou was just saying they decided 0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:58.800 to switch play and step stuff, and the way they 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:02.320 were guarding us, it was then like, man, and even 0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:04.320 a little bit before that, like we struggled a bit 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:06.399 with OKC, but then we end up coming back and 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:09.639 winning that series. And then it obviously reared his ugly 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:13.199 head against the Calves in a great year, but teams 0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:16.040 were starting to figure out how to guard us, and 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:19.400 so you know, at that point, we got to figure 0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:21.920 out what's next we go sign KD. 0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:24.960 What's your reaction to that? T Lou when you see that. 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:31.040 It's over, you know saying, I mean, like you said, 0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:32.800 we thought we figured y'all out, you know what I'm saying. 0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:34.320 We went back the next year. 0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:36.760 It could have went your way again, but like we thought, 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:39.000 we had the blueprint on how to guard and how 0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:41.359 to attack, you know, how to attack y'all offense, because 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:43.399 y'all was always top five in defense, you know what 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:45.680 I mean, A big shout out to Ron Adams, you 0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:50.199 know what I'm saying, Like, yes, but when y'all got KD, 0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:51.000 it just made it so. 0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:54.080 I mean, come on, you blitzed them, and now you 0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:55.040 got Clay. 0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:58.560 And KD all the week's out, you short, you got 0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:01.560 Ego dollar for the law, got Klay and and KD 0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:05.720 in the corners, Like it just became Yeah, it just became. 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:07.680 Too hard, Like it just it was too hard too. 0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:11.760 To really like I said, match up offensively, and y'all 0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:13.120 was always great defensive team. 0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:16.400 So once y'all got KD, I mean, it was like I. 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:19.159 Mean, and and he can get his own money, you 0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:21.560 know what I mean, Like he can get his own 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:25.240 money too, that was so that's what made it so unfair. 0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:30.520 You blitz KD and now you got stepping plate. But 0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:32.640 it was just like it was just too much. 0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:36.919 That was interesting because that's what ended up happening. Then 0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:38.679 teams was like, oh, we're gonna switch here, We're going 0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:41.640 to switch, and so we would run our stuff. It's 0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:42.800 literally high our offense. 0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:43.080 We go. 0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:47.560 We would run our stuff and either KD getting spot 0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:51.440 up shots off the off because team's blissing and now 0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:56.199 I'm kicking them, or getting a lot to D or 0:25:56.960 --> 0:25:59.160 the team started switching it and then we just get 0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:01.719 a ball a K and KG one on one if 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.120 you double, if you double, we hitting steph. All right, 0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:06.880 So then they start doubling off me and then that's 0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:09.920 where we start doing the handbags. You throw it to me, 0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:12.840 I'm catching, I'm handing off, I'm catching. Im faking, I'm 0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:15.360 going to the cup. I got Andre on the live now, 0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:18.159 that's where that came from. But it all started with 0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:21.040 us getting k and then like all right, y'all switch 0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:22.320 cool up right. 0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:24.800 It just it was too much playing on the Lakers 0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:28.160 winning the championship. With those two Laker teams playing against 0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:32.080 Golden State losing in the finals, beating them in the finals. 0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:36.280 Where does those Lakers teams stack up against the Cleveland 0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:40.840 Cavaliers championship team, the Golden State Warriors championship team with 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:44.080 KD You're probably the best person to give some insight 0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:47.679 because you played on the Lakers and won a championship 0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:48.080 with them. 0:26:48.280 --> 0:26:52.000 Man, I just don't see nobody like beating the Lakers team. 0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:53.760 Like said when they got Kadie, I gotta go back 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:54.560 and reassess it. 0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.439 Just the why. I'm just saying that the biggest factor, 0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:00.760 like a shot, like you know what I mean, Shack 0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:03.080 was just me. You know what I'm saying. 0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:05.840 You can't stop them, like you can't guard them, you 0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:09.000 know what I mean? And you had you know, God 0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:11.520 rest in peace. When I got Mutumbo, like I said, 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:14.359 defensive player of the year. You know, Shock averaged thirty 0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:17.480 thirty six whatever and fourteen that series or something. 0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:19.720 But like I mean, just wasn't non answer for. 0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:23.040 Shock, Like okay, say you know you had you double 0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:25.280 team Kobe or Kobe had a rough night, but they're 0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:27.000 just there's no answer for Shack. 0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:29.560 And you could fathom. But now you got three centers 0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:30.080 playing the game. 0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:32.160 So now your third and four string center and playing 0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:34.800 against shock because everybody else don't cut out or in 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:37.520 foul trouble, and now you're in a bonus with you know, 0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:40.280 six minutes of go in every quarter. Like it just 0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:43.399 I just don't see an answer for Shack. And that's like, 0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:46.439 that's what people don't talk about and understand is his 0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:48.800 dominance was was you know, unmatched. 0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:51.440 I agree, And then you get that backup center, the 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:54.920 third string center name shot blockers. They not you know 0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:57.800 what I mean, They may be a little different, So 0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:00.679 it just kind of softened up the defense. But you know, 0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:05.040 I always say, is you know, I pull favoritetism to 0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:08.040 our era just because of you know, you got Shaq. 0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:11.879 Shaq was just a dominant player. Kobe was super dominant. 0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:15.320 But then all of the other players on the team 0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:20.840 were high skilled, cerebral basketball players that could play basketball. 0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:24.600 I love to play basketball that can make adjustments on 0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:26.080 their own, you know what I. 0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:28.360 Mean, as opposed to. 0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:32.320 You know, a lot of the modern day basketball is 0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:36.960 more so adjustments from a coaching standpoint. You know, the 0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:39.320 coaches have to make the adjustments because I think the 0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:43.680 players are young, right, and so there's a there's a 0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:47.280 gap of veterans to young guys, and there's a learning 0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:50.360 curve that feels like that's why y'all got so many 0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:53.080 damn coaches over there on the sidelines to try to help. 0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:56.200 Is that the case? 0:28:57.680 --> 0:28:59.840 I mean, it's a lot of player development going on, 0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:00.440 you know. 0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:04.600 So I do think, like I said, these player development 0:29:05.080 --> 0:29:07.080 groups that you put together you see on every team, 0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:09.320 I think it's very important because you got guys coming 0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:12.760 in nineteen twenty twenty one and don't really know how 0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:14.680 to play the game, you know. So like our guy 0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:17.560 we got Sean Fine, he's amazing, like you know when 0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:20.160 he's him, and you know Dante Jones and you know 0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:21.720 Jeremy Castle. 0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:23.880 Cookie Boat coming to Connor. 0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:26.280 All the guys they put in work every day like 0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:29.120 Chris Hogean and you see it paying off, like you know, 0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:31.760 just with our young guy Kyle Jones, like he's got 0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:35.720 better and better and better, like you know, So it's important. 0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:37.400 So I think when you're drafting these young guys, you 0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:39.520 got to have guys that it's will to be in 0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:42.160 the gym, do the you know, the hard grinding work 0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:44.720 every single day and then you know, mold and get 0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:46.320 these players to where they want to be, and so 0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:48.080 I think it is very important. 0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:50.680 I just want to say I just want to say something. 0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:58.560 About I don't want to talk about Lakers. I got 0:29:58.560 --> 0:29:58.960 to say. 0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:01.840 Something about that. That's gotta say something about that. 0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:06.120 I found it interesting because you know, it's a very 0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:09.440 interesting one. I'll tell you why it's very interesting because, 0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:13.120 quite honestly, Shaquille O'Neill is my favorite player of all time. 0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:19.240 So it's a little challenging for me to be like, yeah, 0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:22.600 somebody gonna stop shot, because it's very hypocritical to my 0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:27.080 childhood beliefs and like what I like, how I actually feel. 0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:29.440 So it's very hypocritical to me to say that. 0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:32.560 And quite honestly, I don't think any of us could 0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:36.440 have stopped shot, just like no one else in Shacks 0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:37.560 of Eric could stop shot. 0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:40.440 I just don't think that was happening. 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:45.880 But I do think we then posed some challenges on 0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:50.080 the other side for Shack that you just can't stand 0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:52.480 in the pain against us, big fella, like you know, 0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:55.360 I'm a again, I am the biggest Shack there you're 0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:55.960 going to find. 0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:58.640 But you can't just stand in the pain against us, 0:30:58.720 --> 0:30:59.800 like we're going to exploit that. 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:03.760 So what y'all gonna do defensively and then at you know, 0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:07.080 also depends on the time that we playing, because you know, 0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:10.000 when y'all were playing that couldn't play zone in the NBA. 0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:12.640 Then obviously now you can play some zone, but you 0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:14.640 couldn't play zone then you know what I'm saying, So 0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.840 that that also changes it to where we can really 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:18.520 get that shock. 0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:20.440 But in saying that, no, I. 0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:23.160 Think I don't really have much of an argument just 0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:25.360 on the sake of it being shocked. 0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:28.240 So I'm gonna let y'all have that just on the 0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:28.840 sake of. 0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:30.480 It being the big diesel. 0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:33.080 Because you're right though, it ain't nobody stopping Shack. 0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:36.360 And it actually pisses me off man when people don't 0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:38.720 try to get shocked the credit that he deserves, like 0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:42.440 and and like, don't talk about shocking the light that 0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:43.680 Shack is like. 0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:47.480 The most dominant player we've ever seen ever. 0:31:47.840 --> 0:32:05.760 Hey hey, hey, hey, that is one of the biggest 0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:10.200 hacks in summer basketball history. 0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:14.360 Hey, t Lou, t Lou, remember how mad we used. 0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:17.280 To get that Dante dude for playing and following people 0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:21.560 in the gym? Hey, Jam, you see nothing like this bro, 0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:23.320 you see nothing like this. 0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:26.640 You shoot, he stays see there you go. 0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:30.440 That made my heart warm, Like if you if you 0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:34.520 ain't all defenders are hacks, camras, hack. 0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:36.480 Stranger. 0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:38.800 I don't even follow that much reference. 0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:44.960 Here working on. 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:51.200 Okay, another hack, another hat, definitely a hat. 0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:58.560 Teaching me aways, dunte teaching me away, definitely a hat. 0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:01.080 I'm sorry, but happenings going on. 0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:05.520 Nah, So yeah, I'll give y'all that, although I don't think. 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:08.200 I don't think y'all team was as good as ours. 0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:10.520 But in a matchup, nobody stopping shock. 0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:12.959 But I'll tell you what, you got to come out 0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:16.120 that paint, big fella, and you might just be looking crazy. 0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:17.080 That's all I'm gonna say. 0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:20.640 Yeah, No, I mean yeah, talent wise, but like when 0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:22.640 you got the two best players in the world on 0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:27.160 the same team, like you know what I'm saying, Like, okay, 0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:29.880 we I mean only team I saw even do a 0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:33.240 halfway decent job on shack, like I said, was San Antonio, 0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:36.560 Like you know, the front and back with David Robinson 0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:40.720 and Tim Duncan was still yeah, he's still average twenty seven, 0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:42.200 twenty eight, you know what I'm saying. 0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:45.280 But like it's just man. It's just him and cold 0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:46.600 man like that. 0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:49.920 I mean, Shack could move. Shack could move. He wasn't 0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:53.840 no stiff. He wasn't he wasn't stiff, but he wasn't 0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:54.360 a stiff. 0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:57.200 But he wasn't moving like Shaq had been moving. 0:33:57.400 --> 0:34:01.360 What years Shack started getting them later was in in 0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:03.720 l a. He wasn't moving like that, no more man 0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:08.000 Shock Shock getting heavy Stack Shock started rehabbing on company times. 0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:09.920 Sack, Shack wasn't moving like that. 0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:15.160 You think about the three stops after that. When he 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:16.880 went to Miami, of course, he. 0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:21.799 Was completely dumb moving in Miami, Miami, Miami year one, 0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:26.799 he was straight. Year two when we gotta stop, I 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:29.040 gotta stop. This is gonna come off like hey, no 0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:31.200 shock and that'll break my heart. So we gotta stop. 0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:38.920 Phoenix cland you know with the Lakers he was still. 0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:42.920 He was still dominant, but again coming to move them 0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:45.719 puppies on the on the on the wing with KD 0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:48.360 and Stephan, putting them in pens with Clay Us. 0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:53.080 He wasn't moving, he wasn't moving like that. That's all 0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:53.600 I'm saying. 0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:55.560 You gotta have guy, you gotta have guys. That's gonna 0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:56.880 get through the screens for sure. 0:34:56.960 --> 0:34:59.560 Kobe will chase over the screen. Let's see t Lougan 0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:07.040 now out of screen. Uh, because he had to come out. 0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:09.760 He had to worry about I'm getting through the screens. 0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:19.520 Uh, playing against that dude, because you know, but you 0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:21.840 know what, it was crazy though back in those days, 0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:24.280 and we're talking about that men b Shaw. 0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:27.239 You know it was automatic because back in those days 0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:29.960 you had a four and five on each block, you 0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:31.879 know what I mean. So when the ball hit the wing, 0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:33.719 whether it was a picking roll or not, it was 0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:36.759 automatically in an ice stands because it's gonna be it's 0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:37.919 gonna be a big on the block. 0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:40.080 And that's what made it easier to guard back then. 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:40.839 You know what I'm saying. 0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:43.480 You know, you have a four on the block of 0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:45.960 five on the week's side block cross screen. When the 0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:48.360 ball hit the wing, you automatically jump into no middle 0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:51.160 stands and set it down whether it's picking and so 0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:53.360 that was crazy. That that was real crazy, but it 0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:56.160 was easy. But you know it made you a lot 0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:57.000 easier for sure. 0:35:57.920 --> 0:35:59.560 Switching beats to the Clippers. 0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:02.759 You talked about Norman Pou and how he stepped up 0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:05.720 this season to become pretty much a go to player 0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:09.759 on this team. Talk a little bit about Norm and 0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:13.279 you know who does Norm game remind you of in 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:14.560 your playing days? 0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:18.960 Okay, let's let's start with I mean with Norm, like 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:21.680 just to see the work he puts in every single day, 0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:24.879 you know, Bead and Dre like, I mean, he works. 0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:27.120 Too much for me, Like I said to me, I mean, 0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:29.560 he works hard and he's. 0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:31.640 Wanted to be a starter, you know, having PG and 0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:33.920 having Kawhi, you know it was hard for him to start, 0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:37.040 you know, but this man works every single day since 0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:38.840 I've been here, Like just seeing the amount of work he 0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:40.480 puts in, and you know. 0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:41.760 It's it's slogan's UTG. 0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:44.960 I understand the grind, and he grinds every day, like 0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:47.640 working on everything. And so for him to get this 0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:49.960 opportunity to play the way he has, like, I'm just 0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:52.880 happy for him because you know, he puts in like 0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:57.000 he puts in like real, real work, you know, And 0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:58.960 so I'm just happy to see him. Like half a year, 0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:01.120 he's having people start to recognize what he can do, 0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:05.160 you know, as a starter. So that's really good as 0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:08.279 a player more like a microwave. But I didn't get 0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.320 a chance to play play against Michael Wave, but I 0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:11.400 see a lot of them. 0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:13.160 Uh just that Bill. 0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:16.279 You know, he's still more norm he I teach because 0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:18.640 he's I say, six foot, but he's sixth three years. 0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:22.400 If he straighten his legs. 0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:27.640 But I would say, like you're saying, like Michael Wave, 0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:32.400 like you can score at all levels, man, just instant offense. 0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:34.040 And he did it last year fourth off the bench, 0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:36.879 you know, average sixteen points off the bench later league 0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:39.399 in fourth quarter threes percentage wise last year. 0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:42.520 You know, he can just you know, cut in. He's 0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:45.600 an instant score. So I would say more so like. 0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:46.640 Like Michael waive I, but I how to you know, 0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:58.920 say anybody. 0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:58.640 Y'all got James playing at And when I say y'all, 0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:01.399 I mean obviously coach, but you know he's doing it. 0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:04.239 But James playing at an all star level this year 0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:09.000 back looking like the James that we all have grown 0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:12.560 to know, you know, going through them battles with you 0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:15.120 know them Houston teams. Like that's the James that he's 0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:19.280 looking like. Now, what's it been like? James once said, 0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:20.960 I am the system. You know what I'm saying. 0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:24.560 I am a system, Like and. 0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:27.719 And seeing him play this year, it's like you as 0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:30.600 a coach and y'all staff has put him in all 0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:34.200 his pet sets that he liked to run and have 0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:38.320 twisted some things to you know, sets that you you've incorporated, 0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:41.799 but putting him in those situations that he liked to 0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:45.680 get to that he's thrived in and became James Harden 0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:46.640 as we know it. 0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:48.399 What's that adjustment been? 0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:48.560 Like? 0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:50.920 What was those conversations like to go to him and 0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:56.000 be like, all right, listen, obviously PG gone Kawhi out 0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:59.279 and taking a team that most people seeing like dang, 0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:02.880 PG left Kawhi out, this team is gonna be bad 0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:05.879 and got this team rolling. 0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:06.879 And he playing at that level. 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.840 Just what was the kind of the building up to 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:12.400 that and you know, just the adjustments that you've had 0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:13.879 to make and getting him back in that role. 0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:15.880 Yeah, Well a good thing for us is he's been 0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:17.480 a customer play that way, you know. 0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:20.360 So we got him last year he more so just 0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:23.160 trying to adapt and you know, he was a playmaker 0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:24.680 and you know ran our you know with. 0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:27.719 Kawhi and PG. Like you said, he didn't come in. 0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:29.960 I think James averaged like eight or nine shots a 0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:32.200 game last year, you know what I mean, and he 0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:35.080 just kind of just you know, got everybody involved picking 0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:38.040 choosing spots. But this year it was a different conversation, 0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:41.000 like you said, with Kawhi being out, with PG being gone, 0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:43.160 like we need him to turn back to clock, like 0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:46.600 you know, the same position was in here to carry 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:47.680 that burden. 0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:48.359 You know, offensively. 0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:50.839 And you know, our front office has done a good 0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:54.120 job of acquiring Derrick Jones Junior, who's a defender. You know, 0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:56.840 Chris was a defender, and you put those guys around 0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:59.080 James where he doesn't have to, you know, guard every 0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:01.600 single night. And now he could just focus and lock 0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:03.960 in on scoring the basketball and making guys better. 0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:06.239 And he's flourished, like I said, and he's used in 0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:07.319 the accustomer to this role. 0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:10.080 But like it started in training camp, like it was 0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:12.319 a hard training it was a throwback training camp, you know, 0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:16.040 like mess up on the line six or ten, you know, 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:18.600 but no every day And I give him credit, you know, 0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:20.880 like he did it every single day whether he liked 0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:24.160 it or not. And that's what kind of got us 0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:27.640 to this point. But like just every day practicing, playing 0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:29.960 every game, or he missed one game, you know, the 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:33.480 whole year playing every night, you know, all the training 0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.279 camp stuff, and then taking this young team, like I said, 0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:38.399 and just put them on the shoulders and just showing 0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:40.279 them how to work, showing them how to win, showing 0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:41.640 them how to do things the right way. 0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:43.520 And like I said, he's been great for us, like 0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:44.399 you said, all year long. 0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:47.759 No, I think I think it's dope to just see 0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:50.400 him back at that level and where I give you 0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:51.879 credit and him, it's like. 0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:56.240 I didn't even know he still had that level in him, 0:40:56.520 --> 0:40:57.200 you know what I'm saying. 0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:59.920 Like to either get back to this level, it's special. 0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:01.080 It's special to watch. 0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:03.120 But one question I also want to ask you is 0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:07.120 and coaching bron and then coaching James. I always say, 0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:11.800 obviously the way they went about it two completely different ways, 0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:14.600 but talk about how both of them can control the 0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:18.759 entire pace of a game and having a guy like 0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:21.240 that that every time down. 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:24.480 The court it's capable of getting you a good shot. 0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:27.440 Because I don't think people are understanding this league, there's 0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:30.439 not your favorite player can't just do that, Like there's 0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:33.480 only a select few of guys that can make that 0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:36.080 happen in this league, And obviously you know, now having 0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:38.480 James playing at the level of doing that and then 0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:42.560 having Bron, just what are the similarities in them controlling 0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:44.759 the games and then what are the differences? 0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:47.520 And that's what That's one thing, like you said, is 0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:49.600 why I think he should be an All Star this year 0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:52.400 or just things he's done so far and just making 0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:54.879 guys better. But like you said, to generate a good 0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:56.880 shot every time down you know, whether you make it 0:41:56.960 --> 0:42:00.319 or not, you know, to make mislead, but it's a 0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:03.239 good shot every single time for itself or for his teammates. 0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:05.279 And just look at all the people when you talk 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:07.840 about him and Bron, like how many people there got paid? 0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:09.600 Yes, you know what I'm. 0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:12.840 Saying, that's what should still be watching James cars. 0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:18.120 I'm saying a lot of people the same with Bron. 0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:20.799 Like you know, they've made people better, They've gotten guys paid, 0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:23.360 they gotten coaches paid, like Bron got me paid. But 0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:26.359 like just to control a game and knowing that you're 0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:28.240 gonna get a good shot every time down the floor, 0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:31.200 like you just don't find it anywhere, you know, And 0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:34.399 so people don't don't respect that part of the game 0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:36.200 where you got a guy that can generate a good 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:37.799 shot every single time. 0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:40.120 When the last time moles Gob came and watched you 0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:52.319 in bron Cars two weeks ago, that's hilarious. Man, you're 0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:54.840 one of the best coaches in this league. You know, 0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:57.640 we've said it before on this show. We say it 0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:00.440 all the time as far as in game adjustment. Just 0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:03.720 talk a little bit about, you know, your philosophy around 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:07.799 in game adjustments. And then when did you notice, like, hey, bro, 0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:10.200 I'm kind of nice at this coaching thing. 0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:11.680 What did that hit? Man? 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:14.120 Well, it started back, like I said, you know, Doc 0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:16.719 and Dan Yange, you know, gave me my first opportunity. 0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:20.919 And it started when I played for Doc in two 0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:24.440 thousand and three in Orlando and he told me said, listen, Telu, 0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:25.959 when you're done playing, you can come coach. 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:28.520 I was like, man, I didn't coaching, Like, hey, you. 0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:30.160 Know, coach, it wasn't me, you know, But when I 0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:33.520 finished two nine, like that's all I knew. And so 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.239 I give a lot of credits to Doctor because, like, 0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:39.120 you know, when we lost a tough game or hard game, 0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:41.719 you know how I should go back and sit in 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:43.440 the back of the room. He did media and just 0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:45.480 listen to how he handled himself and how he handled 0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:48.319 the media. You know, just all the atos at the 0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:51.520 timeouts like doctors, you know, the best in my opinion, 0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:55.480 you know, and back in Boston just running ato's and 0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:58.280 they was to learn from Thibodeau, you know, in Boston. 0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:00.799 Then I learned from Lawrence Frame, you know, and so 0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:02.520 I had a lot of guys that I can learn from. 0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:04.440 You tak it like you know, Doc back then was 0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:06.360 the best coach in the league, you know, so you 0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:09.120 learn from You learned from Thibodeau, was the best defensive 0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:11.680 coordinator in the league, learned from Lawrence And so I 0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:13.720 had a lot of guys that I that I learned from, 0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:16.200 and so I give them a lot of respect, you 0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:18.080 know for me being around met today. 0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:21.640 But it's it's hard, you know, it's hard beating. It's 0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:24.280 a it's a hard job. You know. As a player, 0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:28.320 you know, you just kind of basically worry about yourself. 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:28.560 You know. 0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:31.560 As a coach, you got to worry about everybody, the assistance, 0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:36.000 the medical, the you know, the the equipment manager, the players, 0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:38.400 and so when you lose a game, you know, you 0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:40.239 got to go back and look at yourself and like, man, 0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:41.160 what could I have done different? 0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:44.000 What could I have done better? And you know, like 0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:46.480 it was a tough grind, but I learned a lot 0:44:46.520 --> 0:44:46.960 along the. 0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:48.680 Way to be in this position and putting a lot 0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:51.000 of hard work to be in this position. There's a 0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:52.880 lot of great coaches out there, and so just to 0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:54.880 be mentioned, you know, in the same breath with a 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:56.359 lot of these guys, you know, it means a lot. 0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:57.759 You know, especially being a young coach. 0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:02.240 You said something that I actually wanted to do address anyway. 0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:04.920 You just said it. You said, Lebron get a lot 0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:06.440 of guys paid. He got me paid. 0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:10.600 And I wanted to ask you about that because coming in, 0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:13.560 obviously you take over a team, you're going to win 0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:19.640 a championship, and a lot of people knew you were 0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:22.880 great on what you brought in that situation that even 0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:26.000 the coach that you know, you were assistant under, couldn't bring. 0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:30.120 And everybody just knew like there was a specific thing 0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:33.880 that was going to be needed. Nobody felt that he 0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:36.920 had it, No disrespect to him, but everybody felt you had. 0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:39.439 It in saying that you come in, you take over 0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:39.840 a team. 0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:43.520 Obviously Bron's playing, and Bron is always going to get 0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:49.280 much deserved credit that he gets. But you said, Bron 0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:51.040 get a lot of us. Brian get a lot of 0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:56.520 guys paid. He got me paid. A lot of people 0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:58.719 tried to say that initially, like, oh, man, he was 0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:00.480 coaching Bron, of course he gonna, I mean, to win 0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:04.799 a championship, as if that's just a given. You then 0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:08.640 started to be known as, and rightfully so, as one 0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:12.000 of the best coaches in the league period. How was it, 0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:15.839 How was it for you to kind of break that 0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:20.040 tag of yo, he's Lebron's coach, because you know, everybody 0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:22.120 always try to make it a stigma of like, oh, 0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:25.520 he's Lebron's this, he's Lebron's that he coached Bron so 0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:27.840 that's why he won a championship, so much so that 0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:30.520 even then the Los Angeles Lakers want to give you 0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:34.120 a contract that aligns with Lebron's contract. How was it 0:46:34.200 --> 0:46:38.960 for you to break that stigma of Lebron and knowing 0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:41.160 how great you were or how great you are, but 0:46:41.320 --> 0:46:42.520 how great you were as a coach. 0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:46.279 I mean, the outside noise really didn't bother me because 0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:47.800 I don't have social media and I don't want to 0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:48.560 get into all that. 0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:52.560 Everybody has, but he really helped me. 0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:54.480 But the biggest thing for me is I sat down 0:46:54.520 --> 0:46:58.160 with him, Kyrie and k Love and I told him, 0:46:58.160 --> 0:47:00.279 this is what I need from you guys, Like if 0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:02.040 I want to win, if we want to win, this 0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:04.320 is what I need. And I give those three guys 0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:06.840 a lot of credit. But when people say that, you know, 0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:09.120 Bron's been in the league for twenty one years, he 0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:11.880 had no championships, So I mean they act like he 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:15.880 won twenty one Like you know what I'm saying, he won. 0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:19.160 He's won four championships, and so you know, he hasn't 0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:21.640 won every year, and sometimes it takes you know, a 0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:24.400 special person or a special situation to get to that point. 0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:27.640 But I said, Bron deserves all the credit. But my 0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:30.279 what fu fiel me was when he came to me 0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:32.160 and said that, you know, I was a great coach 0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:33.960 and you know, one of the best coaches he's ever 0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:34.400 played for. 0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:36.360 And so that enough right there, meant a lot to me. 0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:41.160 And so I think, you know, once you know he 0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:43.520 went to the Lakers, then I had a chance, and 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:46.239 I go to the Clippers, I think, and coach that team. 0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:48.480 We go to the conference finals when Kawhi gets hurt. 0:47:49.080 --> 0:47:49.319 You know. 0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:53.239 I think that's when I finally got my respect, you know, 0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:55.040 once I you know, my first year with the Clippers, 0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:57.120 we go to the conference finals and I was able 0:47:57.120 --> 0:48:00.880 to get out from under Lebron's umbrella. You know, but 0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:03.440 it shouldn't be like that, like you said, And I 0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:06.080 know that he's brought a lot to me, you know, 0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:09.920 as a coach, made me better because he saw how execution, 0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:12.319 doing things the right way. And you got a guy 0:48:12.320 --> 0:48:15.319 who's the best player in the world that it never 0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:17.960 been late, like he's the first one, like you know, 0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:20.920 shoot around, practice lead and then you know a lot 0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:23.080 of times when you have guys who of his stature 0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:26.360 coming to bus ten minutes late, they're playing twenty minutes. 0:48:26.680 --> 0:48:27.759 Man, it's never late. 0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:32.680 Never like respect everybody's time, respect everybody what they're doing. 0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:35.400 And like I said, without him, like I said, I 0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:38.200 wouldn't be who I am today because he made you better. 0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:41.480 Because when I come in present, you know, a scout reporter, 0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:43.399 how we want to do something, I know that he's 0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:44.839 not gonna miss a beat, and I know I got 0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:47.200 to be sharp on what I'm doing every single day, 0:48:47.239 --> 0:48:48.879 every single night, because. 0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:50.400 He doesn't miss a beat, you know. 0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:52.359 So he's made me better for sure, So I'm not 0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:54.919 I'm always gonna give him the credit because like he's 0:48:54.960 --> 0:48:57.160 made me better of who I am and so hopefully 0:48:57.200 --> 0:48:59.000 one day he could say, you know what, T Lou 0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:00.799 was one of the guys got me over the top 0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:02.279 when I got back to Cleveland, you know. 0:49:02.360 --> 0:49:05.160 And so you know, I give, like I said, all. 0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:08.040 The credit to him, like I said, Kyrie, k Loves 0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:10.640 be at a sacrifice. You know, you got to think 0:49:10.680 --> 0:49:13.480 kay Love came from Minnesota where he was the man. 0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:15.480 And twenties. 0:49:15.640 --> 0:49:19.399 Yeah, thirties and twenties, asked k Love. But hey, man, 0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:22.160 could you know being a third option? You know, but 0:49:22.480 --> 0:49:24.200 I'm gonna I'm gonna feature you when you're on the 0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:27.040 floor out of time outs, different situations for him to 0:49:27.080 --> 0:49:29.400 buy in like that and to win a championship, like 0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:31.080 he just says a lot about them and who they 0:49:31.120 --> 0:49:33.120 are too. But I give, like I said, all the 0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:36.360 credit to Bron but for making me a better coach, 0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:37.439 you know, every step of the way. 0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:39.400 No, I think that's dope, and I and I and 0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:44.040 I respect it because again, to have the influence, to 0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:48.279 have the impact that Bron has obviously you know, it's 0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:52.200 a great platform, but then you have to be capable 0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:55.640 of living in like on that platform, like you can't 0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:59.440 because if you're if you're not capable, you get swallowed 0:49:59.480 --> 0:50:03.280 up fast and anything that he's involved. 0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:04.759 In, and it's it was it was like the same 0:50:04.800 --> 0:50:07.360 thing with Rich. I think the same thing with Math. 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:11.120 You know, where all the guys that has grown with 0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:13.880 him in a certain aspect, it's like, oh, they're only 0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:16.759 this because of him. But it's like, nah, hey, there 0:50:16.800 --> 0:50:19.560 were some people along the way that weren't able to 0:50:19.600 --> 0:50:23.440 take advantage of that opportunity, right b They don't get 0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:27.560 to the to the situation without being special anyway, you know. 0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:30.680 And and you know when Rich first started to clutch, 0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:33.879 it's like, oh, he's a Lebron's agent, Like oh, he's 0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:38.560 only and it's like no, I've actually built the best 0:50:38.760 --> 0:50:40.240 force agency in the business. 0:50:40.400 --> 0:50:43.440 And you to see you kind of break that same 0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:45.440 stigma in your own way. 0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:49.279 Like Rich, like you said, what he's built where Math 0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:51.760 is built you know without ue to go on and build, 0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:53.839 you know, but it's all like I said, it's it's 0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:57.480 stem from Lebron. But just because I give you a 0:50:57.560 --> 0:51:00.320 million dollars until you to invest it, to make the 0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:02.560 right investments, you know what I mean, Like I could 0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:04.440 be broken two years or I can make I can 0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:05.600 have ten million in two years. 0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:07.799 Yeah, So like what you do with it. 0:51:07.840 --> 0:51:10.319 And that's what I say about Lebron because you know 0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:12.520 when they when they fired coach Black, they could have 0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:15.960 went with anybody and had to you know, had the 0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:18.080 confidence in me, you know, to say, you know what, No, 0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:21.719 you know, I like Tevo, you know, And so that's 0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:27.600 that's big, you know, thirty eight years old to you know, 0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:30.279 step in there and you know, feel some big shoes because, 0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:32.480 like I said, Coach Black went to the NBA Finals 0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:34.879 a year before, and when I took over halfway through 0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:36.239 the season, we're just number one. 0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:37.200 Team in the East. 0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:37.560 You know. 0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:39.919 You know that was a lot that came with it too, 0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:40.200 you know. 0:51:40.360 --> 0:51:42.960 So but like I said, for those guys who had 0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:44.480 a belief in me to do it, you know, it 0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:45.080 says a lot. 0:51:45.200 --> 0:51:46.680 So I'm happy about that. 0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:49.799 One thousand percent. And just speaking of guys that you've done. 0:51:49.960 --> 0:51:53.600 With your relationship with Steve Bomer, how has how has 0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:55.600 it been you. 0:51:55.560 --> 0:51:57.920 Know and working with him, uh, you know, just the 0:51:57.960 --> 0:51:58.359 type of. 0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:01.400 Owner that he is, the resources that he's bringing to 0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:05.319 the team and building that incredible arena. You know, and 0:52:05.360 --> 0:52:10.160 I obviously the only other owner that you've coached under, 0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:14.920 it's a head coach, it's obviously Dan Gilbert, But just 0:52:15.400 --> 0:52:17.880 what is it that Steve has brought as an owner 0:52:17.920 --> 0:52:22.240 of that team and it being a joy to coach, 0:52:22.440 --> 0:52:24.480 you know, and having an ownership group like that. 0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:27.160 You know, what he's brought is family. 0:52:27.680 --> 0:52:30.520 Like you know, when you get a chairman that you 0:52:30.520 --> 0:52:34.320 know that really cares about your well being, your family's 0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:38.560 well being, the team, everybody works in his organization. When 0:52:38.600 --> 0:52:41.759 you get somebody really actually cares, it's genuine. You can 0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:44.080 tell when somebody's bullshit, you know what I mean. But 0:52:44.200 --> 0:52:46.680 like when you can see when it's genuine, you know, 0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:52.480 like when COVID first hit and we were in a bubble, 0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:55.200 you know, in Black Lives Matter, and you know we 0:52:55.280 --> 0:52:58.440 started that slogan and trying to you know, help our 0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:02.360 communities and help our culture. He stepped in and everybody 0:53:02.360 --> 0:53:04.520 on the team and even Doc Rivers, the head coach, 0:53:04.880 --> 0:53:07.920 he donated to a million dollars to everybody's charity or 0:53:08.239 --> 0:53:11.439 community center or yeah, everybody to you know, to put 0:53:11.440 --> 0:53:13.279 it to wherever you want to put it to. You know, 0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:15.319 he told us we're gonna when he first took over, 0:53:15.680 --> 0:53:18.480 I'm gonna build a new arena for us, Like you know, 0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:21.640 he couldn't invite another team like the Lakers that come 0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:23.160 play here so he can generate money. 0:53:23.160 --> 0:53:25.440 But it wasn't about that. It was about us, you know. 0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:30.120 And so like this man crazy story, which Ryan westkus 0:53:30.120 --> 0:53:31.640 something we gotta tell you all the time, but it's 0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:31.960 for me. 0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:33.480 It's huge because. 0:53:34.640 --> 0:53:37.399 During the season a couple of years ago, he said, 0:53:38.320 --> 0:53:40.640 you know, what, what are you passionate about? I said, 0:53:40.640 --> 0:53:43.400 I'm passionate about my family, and I'm passionate about or 0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:45.239 I'm from, which is Mexico, Missouri. 0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:48.040 He said. I said, I want to do something special there, 0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:49.399 but I really don't know what to do. 0:53:49.480 --> 0:53:51.760 Like you come from a small town, eleven thousand people, 0:53:52.280 --> 0:53:54.440 not a lot of money in the community. So he 0:53:54.560 --> 0:53:56.160 was like, I'm gonna go take a trip with you 0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:57.719 one time and I'm gonna take a look at it. 0:53:57.760 --> 0:54:00.840 I was like, yeah, right, whatever. So summer hits he 0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:02.839 calls me, Hey, I'm gonna go to Mexico and I 0:54:02.880 --> 0:54:05.520 was like, what do you mean? He's like, we're gonna 0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:07.120 take it trip to Mexico. I give you three days, 0:54:07.160 --> 0:54:10.359 pick one. So by game a day long story short, 0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:12.320 we fly Pride on this plane. We fly in the 0:54:12.360 --> 0:54:15.960 Jefferson City, Missouri, go down to Mexico, Missouri. You know, 0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:19.440 we walk around toward the city, just you know, brainstorming. 0:54:20.239 --> 0:54:23.920 And the next year, I mean, and the man sleeps 0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:27.520 in the best Western hotel in Mexico. Wait up the 0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:30.000 next day, wake up the next day. They didn't say 0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:31.000 it's the best sleep I had. 0:54:30.920 --> 0:54:31.640 A long time. 0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:34.840 The seventh bitchest man in the world, you know what 0:54:34.840 --> 0:54:37.520 I'm saying, Like, that's just how genuine he is. And 0:54:37.560 --> 0:54:40.200 then so we started a program, my C two C program, 0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:45.520 which is credile to career, com member to community. And 0:54:45.560 --> 0:54:48.400 he donated three and a half million dollars the first year, 0:54:48.920 --> 0:54:51.960 which it was it was a five year plan to 0:54:52.080 --> 0:54:53.200 raise ten million dollars. 0:54:53.560 --> 0:54:55.680 In the first year and a half we raised eighteen million. 0:54:55.840 --> 0:54:58.960 But like he put me in contact with pri he 0:54:59.200 --> 0:55:01.200 donated three and a hal I have a million like 0:55:01.280 --> 0:55:02.920 and so he's just been put me on the right 0:55:02.960 --> 0:55:04.919 path to do a lot of things. And like I said, 0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:07.319 we've changed Mexico so much right now, but we've still 0:55:07.360 --> 0:55:08.120 got a lot more to do. 0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:10.920 But just like said, his vision and likes it. 0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:14.080 Every single day before the game comes in for ten minutes, 0:55:14.480 --> 0:55:16.759 checks on me how you doing. You know, just so 0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:20.080 positive and he's like that with everybody, like it's in 0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:22.279 it's genuine, you can feel it. And so that's like, 0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:24.120 I mean, he's one of the best people I've met 0:55:24.160 --> 0:55:27.439 in my life. Man, He's unbelievable. He's incredible. That's incredible, man, 0:55:28.000 --> 0:55:30.640 shout out to Bomber. Absolutely, that's fire. 0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:33.760 Do you had a lot of interactions with mister Bamba. 0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:38.480 Yeah, he when he started the Baller Vision Clipper Vision. 0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:38.920 Yeah. 0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:40.000 Yeah, he's been great. 0:55:40.080 --> 0:55:42.759 I mean, you know, one passionate about the game, love 0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:46.520 talking about the game. I say, even for you know, 0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:49.399 Clipper alumni. You know, we got kind of like this 0:55:49.840 --> 0:55:52.280 starting to build a once a Clipper, always a Clipper 0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:55.160 kind of fraternity, which is cool and bringing a lot 0:55:55.200 --> 0:55:57.920 of guys back. So you know, I respect him for 0:55:57.960 --> 0:56:00.920 what he do in LA in the community, with the courts, 0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:04.560 with the foundation, with the investments, like somebody who really 0:56:04.600 --> 0:56:08.680 came in here, not just as an owner who owns 0:56:08.680 --> 0:56:12.080 a team, that's just all about the team and all 0:56:12.120 --> 0:56:15.320 about trying to get resources to the team. 0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:17.479 You know what I mean, He's been about the. 0:56:17.520 --> 0:56:21.480 Entire city, bro, Like every park, every inner city, Like 0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:24.120 the amount of people that shout his name on the 0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:27.440 foundation side, and the way he's helped, you know, mobilize 0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:30.560 this community is like, you know, that was like my dream. 0:56:31.200 --> 0:56:33.160 But I ain't got Steve Bamer money, you know what 0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:33.680 I'm saying. 0:56:33.719 --> 0:56:37.520 But it's just good to see like and it's good 0:56:37.560 --> 0:56:41.240 to see the Clippers like care about the inner city 0:56:41.280 --> 0:56:44.000 and care about La. And then that's why you're starting 0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:47.359 to see that Clipper fan base you know, grow in 0:56:47.520 --> 0:56:50.600 La for real and then and then and then t 0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:52.160 little since you've been in La. 0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:53.360 Uh. 0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:55.840 You know, you heard a lot about Kawhi and his 0:56:56.000 --> 0:56:59.680 health this past year. The critics have been super loud. 0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:05.200 How are you how My question is how excited are 0:57:05.239 --> 0:57:07.320 you that he will return? 0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:13.279 And just kidding, I mean, I thought she was going 0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:13.960 to give me a date. 0:57:14.840 --> 0:57:15.680 I thought. 0:57:19.920 --> 0:57:23.120 I was like, how excited are you return? 0:57:25.200 --> 0:57:26.440 I'm very excited, man. 0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:30.439 It's just you know, the big thing, MBD, Like I said, 0:57:30.480 --> 0:57:32.160 you was one of the baddest point guards in the League. 0:57:32.200 --> 0:57:33.600 When I talk about guys. 0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:35.520 Like hard for me to guard, it was always you, 0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:38.480 gilbelarenas Ai, you know what I'm saying, And you was 0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:42.040 And people don't get a chance to, you know, to 0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:44.320 see your full career because like, so you got injured, 0:57:44.720 --> 0:57:47.000 you know, but that doesn't mean you weren't put in 0:57:47.000 --> 0:57:49.120 the work. That doesn't mean you wouln't want to play, 0:57:49.200 --> 0:57:50.840 That doesn't mean you wanted to be on the floor. 0:57:51.320 --> 0:57:54.680 And so like you have bad you have, you have 0:57:54.840 --> 0:57:56.640 bad players that, like you know what I'm saying, like 0:57:56.840 --> 0:58:01.439 our elite players are perennial all stars, you know, our superstars. 0:58:01.840 --> 0:58:05.080 And just because like Anthony Hardaway, like you know, Penny Hardaway, 0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:06.919 like he doesn't want to get hurt, like you don't 0:58:06.920 --> 0:58:07.360 want to be. 0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:08.000 Hurt, you know. 0:58:08.160 --> 0:58:10.800 So, like it's just hard for the criticism to come 0:58:10.840 --> 0:58:13.320 his way when I know I see him every day, 0:58:13.520 --> 0:58:16.080 grinding every day in the weight room, grind on the 0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:18.560 court every single day, and it's just like it's just 0:58:18.640 --> 0:58:22.200 unfortunate that, you know, he can't control what he has 0:58:22.280 --> 0:58:24.040 going on, Like he just can't control it. 0:58:24.120 --> 0:58:25.880 If he could, he would, like you. 0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:28.680 Know, so it's hard to see all the criticism League 0:58:28.680 --> 0:58:31.160 gets you know, because he's hurt, because he's not playing. 0:58:31.160 --> 0:58:33.000 Because if you got a guy that's hurt and they're 0:58:33.000 --> 0:58:35.040 not putting the work in to get better and get back, 0:58:36.120 --> 0:58:39.800 that's totally different. This man is grinding every single day, 0:58:40.120 --> 0:58:44.600 you know, every single day all summer, every summer to 0:58:44.600 --> 0:58:45.680 get to where you want to get to. 0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:48.880 And it's just unfortunate. Like you said, there's times where he. 0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:51.280 Just can't control it, you know, And so that's just 0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:54.240 the part that's hurtful because he's not gonna play down. 0:58:54.240 --> 0:58:56.320 He's not a guy that doesn't care, you know what 0:58:56.320 --> 0:58:59.520 I'm saying. He does care, and that's what people don't understand, 0:58:59.520 --> 0:59:01.880 you know, from that outside. And it's just tough man. 0:59:02.160 --> 0:59:07.000 And you see former players that been through this, itswing like, ah, like, man, 0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:08.240 don't get me stuck. 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:12.680 They not real, They not real because you got you 0:59:12.720 --> 0:59:14.880 gotta you gotta really go through injuries. 0:59:14.920 --> 0:59:15.600 I mean, TLUI. 0:59:15.680 --> 0:59:18.280 You remember when I was hurt playing in Vegas and 0:59:18.960 --> 0:59:21.439 you know, trying to get back, Like man, you're trying 0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:23.680 to get back and then next thing, you know, you 0:59:23.760 --> 0:59:27.720 may overcompensate a little bit. You may lift one or 0:59:27.720 --> 0:59:30.160 two reps in some tear you know what I mean. 0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:34.000 So you're never right, Like once you get hurt, you 0:59:34.040 --> 0:59:38.360 are never right because you're never one hundred percent of 0:59:38.400 --> 0:59:41.360 what you were before you got hurt. Jay Man, you 0:59:41.400 --> 0:59:44.800 talked about that with your injury earlier in the year, right, 0:59:44.880 --> 0:59:47.760 And it's just like, man, you gotta work to get 0:59:48.200 --> 0:59:52.480 you gotta work to almost get to eighty five percent, right, 0:59:52.680 --> 0:59:55.000 and you'll never get to one hundred percent. You gotta 0:59:55.120 --> 0:59:57.560 work to get to eighty five and hope you don't 0:59:57.560 --> 1:00:00.200 get to seventy five right because you're. 1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:03.320 Tired, meter you'reware and tear and all that. 1:00:03.520 --> 1:00:06.880 So, you know, I think you know a lot of 1:00:06.960 --> 1:00:10.360 times fans don't understand that the mental part of it, 1:00:10.480 --> 1:00:13.080 the hard work part of it. But like if somebody's 1:00:13.080 --> 1:00:15.880 not on the court, it's definitely not the result of 1:00:15.960 --> 1:00:16.960 them not working. 1:00:17.200 --> 1:00:20.680 You just think about the organization, you know, as a whole, 1:00:20.760 --> 1:00:23.680 Like you think they would continue to giving fifty million 1:00:23.680 --> 1:00:27.040 dollars if he wasn't trying to get back, Like if 1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:28.800 he was a lazy you know what I'm saying, lazy dude, 1:00:28.800 --> 1:00:30.919 they wouldn't like, Okay, all right, cool, you heard you done, 1:00:31.000 --> 1:00:31.400 We're done. 1:00:31.480 --> 1:00:33.680 You know what I'm saying, but like this man dedicated 1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:36.360 every single day man to try to be on the floor. 1:00:36.800 --> 1:00:39.640 And like I said, it's painful to watch because, like 1:00:39.640 --> 1:00:41.760 I said, he wants it so bad man, like you know, 1:00:41.840 --> 1:00:44.400 and he's doing everything and so I'm happy he's getting 1:00:44.440 --> 1:00:45.040 close man. 1:00:45.520 --> 1:00:47.240 And for me, like I've been hurt a lot too. 1:00:47.280 --> 1:00:50.800 I had three knee surgeries, micro fracture and sometimes just 1:00:50.880 --> 1:00:52.720 it's the mental part, like can I do it? 1:00:52.800 --> 1:00:54.520 You know what I mean? Can I Can I get 1:00:54.520 --> 1:00:55.919 over this hurdle? Can I do it? 1:00:56.120 --> 1:00:56.240 You know? 1:00:56.360 --> 1:00:58.320 Can I get back to being who I was? And 1:00:58.400 --> 1:01:02.040 people don't understand that that man, it's a grind, you know, 1:01:02.080 --> 1:01:02.920 but he's been grind. 1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:04.480 Like I said, I'm happy for him. 1:01:04.640 --> 1:01:06.240 Fun Guy is one of my favorites. 1:01:06.280 --> 1:01:09.919 Man. You know I heard him rapping before. Uh really, yeah, 1:01:09.920 --> 1:01:11.400 I have fun Guy in the studio. 1:01:11.520 --> 1:01:15.600 He made me mad, he make it mad at me. 1:01:15.680 --> 1:01:18.040 But you know, I have fun Guy in the studio. 1:01:18.640 --> 1:01:23.040 He got he got bars, he got bars, he's fitting. 1:01:23.200 --> 1:01:24.640 People don't know. People don't know. 1:01:26.840 --> 1:01:30.280 I was gonna ask you, uh one last two Kauhi 1:01:30.400 --> 1:01:33.360 questions because you know, my fun got there. I need 1:01:33.360 --> 1:01:36.800 a Kawhi. I need a Kawhi Ism for sure. And 1:01:36.840 --> 1:01:41.200 then the second question is described the similarities and the 1:01:41.240 --> 1:01:44.440 differences between coaching the Kawhi and coaching the Lebron. 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:47.320 Kawhi is a funny one. 1:01:47.400 --> 1:01:52.760 So me and my boy, but he cousins, that's and 1:01:52.840 --> 1:01:54.760 so I was mad at him one day and you know, 1:01:54.800 --> 1:01:58.080 he kept going back and forth. I said, man, Bookie, 1:01:58.160 --> 1:02:00.480 keep doing this. I was mad at Boogie right, And 1:02:00.560 --> 1:02:02.040 so Kawhi came up to me and. 1:02:01.960 --> 1:02:03.720 Said, man, he's he could play. 1:02:03.720 --> 1:02:06.520 He's good. He's good though. I said, yeah, I know. 1:02:06.720 --> 1:02:09.560 I said, he's getting on my nerves whatever, whatever he said. 1:02:10.920 --> 1:02:12.520 I said, I'm just tired of looking at him. 1:02:12.560 --> 1:02:19.480 Whatever he said, just don't look at him, like, don't 1:02:19.520 --> 1:02:20.080 look at him. 1:02:21.680 --> 1:02:24.280 Leave him on the court, don't look at him. 1:02:26.320 --> 1:02:28.680 Because you know, he's one of the you know, motality 1:02:28.760 --> 1:02:33.040 center has been around, you know, and so we got 1:02:33.080 --> 1:02:33.800 into it one day. 1:02:33.840 --> 1:02:34.600 But that's my guy. 1:02:34.760 --> 1:02:35.840 But Kawhi is. 1:02:35.840 --> 1:02:43.160 Like, you figure it out, but good right here, you 1:02:43.280 --> 1:02:44.280 figure out what you got. 1:02:45.560 --> 1:02:46.200 Yeah. Yeah. 1:02:46.640 --> 1:02:51.840 And the comparison between like him and Bron, like I said, 1:02:51.880 --> 1:02:57.080 the hard work, like you said, is it's lined up 1:02:57.240 --> 1:03:00.320 just like this, like both putting in like you said, 1:03:00.160 --> 1:03:05.360 the work, you know, every single day, like grind every 1:03:05.360 --> 1:03:07.840 single day to get better and just think about you know, 1:03:07.880 --> 1:03:10.360 where they come in their career. Like Kawhi when he 1:03:10.400 --> 1:03:12.920 first got the league, he wasn't a shooter, you know, 1:03:13.360 --> 1:03:15.560 and he expanded he was a he was a corner shooter. 1:03:15.680 --> 1:03:17.120 Then he became better at the wings, you know what 1:03:17.120 --> 1:03:17.480 I'm saying. 1:03:17.480 --> 1:03:19.520 Then every year he's gotten better and better than he's 1:03:19.560 --> 1:03:22.960 a forty three, a you know, three point shooter. You know, 1:03:23.840 --> 1:03:25.560 he was able to take steps of being a post 1:03:25.600 --> 1:03:27.240 player getting better and getting better. 1:03:27.480 --> 1:03:29.600 Same Lebron came in the league. He wasn't a shooter. 1:03:29.880 --> 1:03:32.440 Now you know what I'm saying, shoot forty three to 1:03:32.560 --> 1:03:35.840 work in and so they remind me a lot of 1:03:35.880 --> 1:03:37.320 each other, like I said, when it comes to that 1:03:37.360 --> 1:03:39.320 work ethic and you know, and putting that work in 1:03:39.360 --> 1:03:40.480 to get to where they want to get to. 1:03:43.040 --> 1:03:43.760 Yeah, he's funny. 1:03:43.760 --> 1:03:46.320 I mean Bron's funny, but is funny because he don't 1:03:46.360 --> 1:03:49.160 do a lot of talking, but when he talks, So 1:03:49.240 --> 1:03:53.880 that's what that's what makes it crazy. 1:03:55.360 --> 1:03:55.800 I love it. 1:03:57.280 --> 1:03:58.160 Our coaching staff. 1:03:58.200 --> 1:04:01.520 This year, we added Jerry Stackhouse to take over our defense. 1:04:02.760 --> 1:04:05.600 One thing that I found that he does. Is he 1:04:06.200 --> 1:04:07.320 get these grades out. 1:04:07.720 --> 1:04:10.320 It's funny because he had something on the he has 1:04:10.360 --> 1:04:13.320 something on the grade today. I had a conversation with him. 1:04:13.320 --> 1:04:16.000 I'm like, Stack, man, like you you great, and me 1:04:16.120 --> 1:04:18.440 on this based on how you great somebody else. But 1:04:18.520 --> 1:04:21.400 I intentionally did this, like I'm covering two right here. 1:04:21.760 --> 1:04:24.120 And he like, yeah, but you're supposed to do this. 1:04:24.240 --> 1:04:26.520 I said, Stack, but you ain't gonna tell Steph Curry 1:04:26.520 --> 1:04:30.280 to drive to the rim because someone else drives better. 1:04:30.400 --> 1:04:32.240 He's gonna shoot the three. So we had this whole 1:04:32.240 --> 1:04:35.440 conversation and we went at it for fifteen minutes. It 1:04:35.480 --> 1:04:38.440 was great, me and him, just me and him. It 1:04:38.480 --> 1:04:39.200 was incredible. 1:04:41.000 --> 1:04:41.560 Y'all have. 1:04:43.160 --> 1:04:46.440 Brought JVG in who and you know, I've heard a 1:04:46.440 --> 1:04:49.680 lot about just kind of his approach and you know 1:04:49.760 --> 1:04:52.880 what he's brought to the staff and defense looking incredible. 1:04:53.440 --> 1:04:57.200 Is there something that he's brought that you would say 1:04:57.240 --> 1:05:00.440 has been different than maybe y'all were doing, or different 1:05:00.440 --> 1:05:03.520 approach than than than what you have before. 1:05:03.760 --> 1:05:05.560 Just bringing his coaching style. 1:05:05.640 --> 1:05:07.800 Which is more of an old school coaching style than 1:05:07.960 --> 1:05:10.640 kind of the coaching style of what coaches do today. 1:05:10.920 --> 1:05:14.000 Well, one is bought some He brought us some purpose defensively. 1:05:14.160 --> 1:05:15.320 You know a lot of people just go out there 1:05:15.320 --> 1:05:16.160 and play defense. 1:05:16.440 --> 1:05:18.560 And like I said, I always hate playing against you 1:05:18.640 --> 1:05:20.160 because you always read it. 1:05:20.200 --> 1:05:22.560 You know, you know what's coming with Ato. You take 1:05:22.600 --> 1:05:23.160 him over there. 1:05:23.320 --> 1:05:25.200 I got this, now, y'all switch you blow the whole 1:05:25.200 --> 1:05:28.800 play up like and at Iq. But he's bought a 1:05:28.880 --> 1:05:32.400 purpose defensively. And if you look at our team, like 1:05:32.480 --> 1:05:36.560 if you start James and Norman Powell and give normal 1:05:36.600 --> 1:05:39.680 hard time, but they're not really defenders. And so if 1:05:39.720 --> 1:05:42.160 you can get a top five defensive team in this league, 1:05:42.520 --> 1:05:45.000 you know, starting those to y'all, we're small, we're little, 1:05:45.040 --> 1:05:47.680 we're scrapping. But he's bought some purpose. And what he's 1:05:47.760 --> 1:05:50.280 what he has done to day day is that you know, 1:05:50.320 --> 1:05:52.320 you know, most teams they don't want to leave the corner, 1:05:52.560 --> 1:05:54.960 you know what I mean. Or you know, you go 1:05:55.040 --> 1:05:57.840 on a great shooter. But ourt thing is if you're close, 1:05:58.320 --> 1:06:01.000 go get it. And like but most time you know, 1:06:01.040 --> 1:06:02.560 you drive the ball, you know, a guy in the 1:06:02.600 --> 1:06:05.400 corner gonna stunt and get back, like now you close up, 1:06:05.480 --> 1:06:06.320 we're going to get it. 1:06:06.360 --> 1:06:07.960 And you don't see people in the corners, you know 1:06:08.000 --> 1:06:08.320 what I mean. 1:06:08.640 --> 1:06:10.680 Or if you go to the basket, you spend the 1:06:10.680 --> 1:06:13.000 next guy's right there and we'll figure out the on 1:06:13.040 --> 1:06:16.360 the backside. He's made this more aggressive, like if you 1:06:16.440 --> 1:06:18.320 close to the ball, no matter who your guard and 1:06:18.320 --> 1:06:21.080 who it is, if you close, go get it, and 1:06:21.160 --> 1:06:24.800 like you generating so many turnovers. But he's bought a purpose, 1:06:24.880 --> 1:06:28.000 he's bought a mindset to our team. You know, I 1:06:28.080 --> 1:06:30.480 come in early, you know, every day, and I come 1:06:30.520 --> 1:06:31.439 at five o'clock in the morning. 1:06:31.480 --> 1:06:34.840 He's out here. You know, he's passionate about what. 1:06:34.760 --> 1:06:36.840 He does every day, Like he takes it hard, like 1:06:37.160 --> 1:06:40.200 we win by but thirty seven last night and you 1:06:40.280 --> 1:06:42.400 talked with one hundred and seven points, he's pissed off, 1:06:42.640 --> 1:06:44.760 like he's mad. You know what I'm saying, Like come in, 1:06:44.800 --> 1:06:47.200 I talked to he's we just did fishing gain the 1:06:47.280 --> 1:06:50.280 right way, you know, first Street again, you know what 1:06:50.280 --> 1:06:53.080 I mean. So, but he's passionate about what he does. 1:06:53.760 --> 1:06:57.320 He brings that that mentality, like no nonsense, like when 1:06:57.320 --> 1:06:59.160 he's when he's on the floor, were going through defense. 1:06:59.240 --> 1:07:01.160 It ain't no message around, you know what I mean. 1:07:01.760 --> 1:07:02.480 He's locked in. 1:07:02.840 --> 1:07:05.200 And so it's been really good for us to shout 1:07:05.240 --> 1:07:06.960 out the Stockhouse too, because he's done a good job. 1:07:07.240 --> 1:07:09.240 And I played with Stack in Washington when we played 1:07:09.240 --> 1:07:12.000 with Jordan together, you know, so I love Stack. 1:07:12.160 --> 1:07:14.120 You know that was a fifty one game. 1:07:14.240 --> 1:07:18.800 D Hey, I was guarding. Hill was not guarding. 1:07:24.280 --> 1:07:30.960 They put Stacey offman, you know what I'm saying. It 1:07:31.040 --> 1:07:34.720 was crazy about that day they I looked it up 1:07:34.720 --> 1:07:36.720 the other day when you know he had fifty one points. 1:07:37.080 --> 1:07:37.720 Why I look it up? 1:07:38.240 --> 1:07:38.400 Man? 1:07:38.440 --> 1:07:40.120 I played eighteen minutes. I didn't score. 1:07:43.000 --> 1:07:45.480 Hey, bro, you gotta watch the tape because me and 1:07:45.520 --> 1:07:48.840 you are talking like you gotta watch the game because 1:07:48.840 --> 1:07:52.240 we just having a conversation like oh, I'm not gonna help. 1:07:52.400 --> 1:07:54.160 You're like, well, I ain't getting the ball, Like well, 1:07:54.160 --> 1:07:57.280 ships wish we had some popcorn to watch this. 1:07:59.440 --> 1:07:59.640 Game. 1:07:59.760 --> 1:07:59.920 Right. 1:08:00.640 --> 1:08:02.280 The reason why he was mad that game is because 1:08:02.280 --> 1:08:05.760 the game before we played New Jersey Nets and they 1:08:05.800 --> 1:08:08.920 put Kenya Martin on him and like he struggled to score, 1:08:09.080 --> 1:08:12.160 you know, and at this point thirty nine, Yeah, it 1:08:12.360 --> 1:08:13.840 was like all you gotta do is put length in 1:08:13.880 --> 1:08:17.639 that lettericism home. He can't score, you know, bigger six eight, 1:08:18.240 --> 1:08:19.800 you know, he can't score on those guys. 1:08:19.880 --> 1:08:20.160 Whatever. 1:08:20.560 --> 1:08:22.960 So the next night we played Charlotte and they, you know, 1:08:22.960 --> 1:08:26.360 put lee lines a couple of guys on defense. 1:08:30.360 --> 1:08:32.960 Y'all had, y'all had, Yeah, David Wesley. 1:08:32.880 --> 1:08:34.599 He got swords. 1:08:37.040 --> 1:08:40.000 J Brown, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, he 1:08:40.120 --> 1:08:44.240 was on one. He was mad because you know, Jersey. 1:08:44.200 --> 1:08:49.000 You had an opportunity this summer to coach uh the Olympics. 1:08:50.280 --> 1:08:53.719 You know, it's a part of the staff, uh Steve. 1:08:54.720 --> 1:08:58.679 And I'll be honest, I was one of the main people. 1:08:59.439 --> 1:09:02.720 I mean, guy, I'm saying, I don't understand how in 1:09:02.760 --> 1:09:05.920 the hell Jason Tatum's not getting any minutes. 1:09:07.680 --> 1:09:11.080 I didn't understand it. Obviously y'all going to win. 1:09:11.840 --> 1:09:18.160 Uh. But and looking back at that situation once, there's 1:09:18.200 --> 1:09:22.280 something that could have been done differently to where Jason 1:09:22.280 --> 1:09:25.160 Tatum because now he got this vengeance against us, and 1:09:25.200 --> 1:09:27.439 I'm not sure he got that same vengeance against y'all. 1:09:27.439 --> 1:09:31.960 T lou but now he got against us. 1:09:31.640 --> 1:09:33.880 But we don't really need right. 1:09:34.800 --> 1:09:38.880 That's my little cousin, you know, So it's from Saint Louis. 1:09:39.520 --> 1:09:43.160 His dad is about first cousin. Yeah, that's my My 1:09:43.240 --> 1:09:45.639 functions in Mexico when he was younger. So that's my cousin. 1:09:45.720 --> 1:09:49.559 So feel bad for him. But you know, we talked 1:09:49.600 --> 1:09:51.519 every single day. But the biggest thing for me, like 1:09:51.560 --> 1:09:54.240 I'm gonna go against the coaching decision. If I'm a coach, 1:09:54.680 --> 1:09:57.479 I'm a stand in, you know, whatever the he coaching 1:09:57.520 --> 1:10:00.479 decision they make. You were you and heard me say 1:10:00.520 --> 1:10:03.439 I disagree, you know, not to not to anybody, because 1:10:04.600 --> 1:10:06.800 you know that's not my response. Like my job is 1:10:06.800 --> 1:10:09.640 to be all in, you know. And so but I 1:10:09.680 --> 1:10:13.280 will say I like the way j T handled himself. 1:10:14.439 --> 1:10:17.479 You know, he was professional. He didn't try to go home. 1:10:18.000 --> 1:10:20.519 And like I said, as a guy who's been first 1:10:20.520 --> 1:10:22.800 team or NBA three years in a row, you know 1:10:22.800 --> 1:10:25.200 what I mean, coming off winning the championship, you know, 1:10:25.320 --> 1:10:27.679 won a gold medal back in you know, twenty one, 1:10:28.160 --> 1:10:29.920 Like I said, it was it was tough for him, 1:10:30.120 --> 1:10:32.120 you know, And so I just try to talk to him. 1:10:32.120 --> 1:10:34.080 I just try to be positive with him, keeping the 1:10:34.200 --> 1:10:36.960 right headspace, and like said, I'm just. 1:10:36.840 --> 1:10:37.560 Glad he got through it. 1:10:37.600 --> 1:10:39.479 I'm glad he got a gold medal, like you said, 1:10:39.520 --> 1:10:42.720 and he was able to play. Like I said that 1:10:42.800 --> 1:10:47.800 last game in the gold medal game, so, but I'll 1:10:47.840 --> 1:10:49.680 never be one of those guys where he's family or not. 1:10:49.760 --> 1:10:53.880 If I'm if I'm you know, in the you know, 1:10:55.400 --> 1:10:57.679 that's what it is. And so but I am probably 1:10:57.680 --> 1:10:59.519 like I said, a little jay, how he handled himself 1:10:59.560 --> 1:11:02.600 and how I conducted itself throughout the you know, the 1:11:02.640 --> 1:11:05.200 hard time and adversity of what he had to go through. 1:11:05.400 --> 1:11:08.719 Now I think I think that's dope. Do you ultimately, 1:11:08.720 --> 1:11:10.479 I don't think Steve's going to do it forever? Do 1:11:10.560 --> 1:11:13.120 you hope to ultimately one day take that over and 1:11:13.160 --> 1:11:15.560 be the head coach of the USA team? Is it 1:11:15.640 --> 1:11:16.759 something you want to do again? 1:11:17.160 --> 1:11:17.360 Yeah? 1:11:17.560 --> 1:11:21.240 I mean I would like that opportunity because you know, 1:11:21.240 --> 1:11:23.120 as a player, you know, you grew up want to 1:11:23.160 --> 1:11:24.439 be on the Olympic team. 1:11:24.479 --> 1:11:25.679 Of course I wasn't good enough. 1:11:25.520 --> 1:11:27.800 You know what I mean, but you know, like that's 1:11:27.800 --> 1:11:30.479 what that was your dream, you know, winning the ship, 1:11:31.000 --> 1:11:33.639 you know, being you know, Olympic, NBA to represent your country. 1:11:33.840 --> 1:11:36.000 But now I happen to doing this capacity has been great. 1:11:36.080 --> 1:11:36.320 You know. 1:11:36.400 --> 1:11:38.320 So to be able to you know, one day be 1:11:38.400 --> 1:11:40.720 the head coach if that was possible, and be able 1:11:40.720 --> 1:11:43.639 to be a young black man to you know, win 1:11:43.680 --> 1:11:45.200 a gold medal for your country. 1:11:45.400 --> 1:11:47.519 I think it says a lot about our youth, about 1:11:48.040 --> 1:11:48.320 you know. 1:11:49.720 --> 1:11:52.400 He is looking up to us, and you know seeing that, 1:11:52.880 --> 1:11:55.280 you know, young black coach, you know, winning a gold 1:11:55.280 --> 1:11:57.240 medal for your country and represent your country. 1:11:57.640 --> 1:11:59.080 There's no better feeling than that. 1:11:59.160 --> 1:12:01.640 If I'm still playing in twenty twenty eight, me and 1:12:01.720 --> 1:12:03.000 Draymond coming to coach. 1:12:03.320 --> 1:12:05.960 Ah, you coaching because you can't move no more. If 1:12:06.000 --> 1:12:09.440 I'm still playing, Hey, hey, I'm next. 1:12:09.240 --> 1:12:13.160 Year, I'm getting invited to go to State Warriors training camp. 1:12:13.760 --> 1:12:16.320 What do you think my chances are of making the 1:12:16.400 --> 1:12:17.040 team if. 1:12:16.880 --> 1:12:17.719 I'm in shape? 1:12:17.920 --> 1:12:19.120 Well, don't guard staph. 1:12:19.520 --> 1:12:20.679 I'm not messing with stuff. 1:12:20.760 --> 1:12:23.360 Yeah, how do you now? 1:12:23.400 --> 1:12:23.640 Love it? 1:12:23.720 --> 1:12:25.880 You gotta be forty two now, Yeah, I'm like thirty 1:12:25.920 --> 1:12:27.960 eight forty two. 1:12:28.640 --> 1:12:33.639 A wow, I don't know. I'm like thirty seven forty three. 1:12:33.840 --> 1:12:36.840 You know, I don't know. 1:12:36.960 --> 1:12:39.000 Love. 1:12:37.520 --> 1:12:44.640 I'm telling Jamond, Hey, you think I'm playing, watch me 1:12:44.680 --> 1:12:46.320 make that fucking team next year? 1:12:50.439 --> 1:12:51.320 Back to business. 1:12:52.040 --> 1:12:54.439 You watch Steph Curry go off in the final minutes 1:12:54.479 --> 1:12:59.840 of the Olympic Championship game against France one. How did 1:12:59.840 --> 1:13:02.080 it feel getting the gold medal in that fashion? And 1:13:02.120 --> 1:13:04.920 like talk about the experience now, you know, coach is 1:13:05.000 --> 1:13:07.040 Steph uh in the Olympics. 1:13:07.360 --> 1:13:09.519 To finally be on this team, I felt like Bron, like, 1:13:11.840 --> 1:13:13.960 you know what I'm saying, working for so many times 1:13:14.000 --> 1:13:17.559 it came up short, you know, but it was it 1:13:17.680 --> 1:13:18.280 was really good. 1:13:18.320 --> 1:13:18.519 You know. 1:13:18.560 --> 1:13:20.559 The thing that I like the most take me out 1:13:20.600 --> 1:13:25.080 of it is that just Katie, Steph and Broun, like, 1:13:25.560 --> 1:13:29.040 you know, three guys, and it's like saying, our generation 1:13:29.280 --> 1:13:31.800 like to be able to play together on that level, 1:13:32.040 --> 1:13:33.680 you know, the represent your country, to win a gold 1:13:33.720 --> 1:13:36.120 metal together. I think that was one of the coolest 1:13:36.120 --> 1:13:38.360 moments I've seen, you know, just seeing those three guys 1:13:38.400 --> 1:13:38.960 come together. 1:13:39.760 --> 1:13:40.559 So that was great. 1:13:41.360 --> 1:13:44.479 And then my time, like I said, I've always dreamed 1:13:44.520 --> 1:13:46.839 of being, you know, in the Olympics, you know, represent 1:13:46.880 --> 1:13:49.439 my country and the winning gold medal, like said, belong 1:13:49.600 --> 1:13:50.559 alongside of Steve. 1:13:50.960 --> 1:13:53.320 How Bron felt about Stephan. I felt about Steve. 1:13:55.240 --> 1:13:58.120 Balin every year you know, batling ballin, you know what 1:13:58.160 --> 1:13:59.840 I'm saying, And Steve's a great coach, and to be 1:13:59.880 --> 1:14:02.760 in it with Spoe and then having Mark Feu from 1:14:02.800 --> 1:14:06.240 Gozaga who was on staff as well. Man, it was 1:14:06.280 --> 1:14:08.479 just great to just you know, learn so much and 1:14:08.520 --> 1:14:11.000 see so much, pick each other's brains. 1:14:11.560 --> 1:14:11.760 It was. 1:14:11.840 --> 1:14:13.040 It was an amazing experience. 1:14:13.080 --> 1:14:13.240 Man. 1:14:13.280 --> 1:14:15.600 So I'm just happy that like that, Steve, you know, 1:14:16.240 --> 1:14:18.360 extended the invitation as well as Grand Hill. 1:14:18.640 --> 1:14:19.360 And it was. 1:14:19.400 --> 1:14:20.120 It was beautiful. 1:14:20.320 --> 1:14:23.040 Now we're gonna talk a little bit about your playing career. 1:14:23.120 --> 1:14:27.000 You grew up in a small town. I went to Nebraska, 1:14:27.040 --> 1:14:31.639 which we talked about Mexico shot out Mexico eleven thousand people. 1:14:32.240 --> 1:14:33.840 Uh where you were a number? 1:14:33.880 --> 1:14:37.160 Were you in the twenty three twenty third pick in 1:14:37.160 --> 1:14:40.479 the nineteen ninety eight draft? You got the red What 1:14:40.600 --> 1:14:43.559 was at the navigator on the twenty two gold? 1:14:43.720 --> 1:14:44.920 Ye had gold rims too? 1:14:45.479 --> 1:14:45.959 No? 1:14:46.400 --> 1:14:51.000 Yeah, yeah, no, manest bumpkin. 1:14:51.680 --> 1:14:54.920 I relax yourself, man, relax yourself. 1:14:55.600 --> 1:14:56.519 You gotta go there. 1:14:56.720 --> 1:15:01.840 You know, you know Minwestdy right, goes man, that's true. 1:15:01.880 --> 1:15:05.479 But you I didn't have got uh, I didn't have 1:15:05.520 --> 1:15:07.280 goals I had. I had the silver joints. 1:15:07.479 --> 1:15:07.599 Uh. 1:15:08.160 --> 1:15:10.000 I give a shout out to Mark and Darnell. Three 1:15:10.040 --> 1:15:11.439 one on motoring, that's. 1:15:11.320 --> 1:15:13.960 Right, three one on motor I remember that it was kicking 1:15:14.000 --> 1:15:15.479 that that was going up. 1:15:16.240 --> 1:15:18.520 Uh, you got drafted. 1:15:19.920 --> 1:15:22.840 What was who was your favorite player growing up and 1:15:22.880 --> 1:15:27.040 then looking back on your journey, like talk about like 1:15:27.160 --> 1:15:28.000 what made. 1:15:28.040 --> 1:15:31.559 What was like your happiest moment my idol? 1:15:31.560 --> 1:15:31.760 Girl? 1:15:31.760 --> 1:15:36.439 I mean, Jordan was everybody's like, you know, I could 1:15:36.560 --> 1:15:39.480 be sick, I couldn't. 1:15:39.160 --> 1:15:42.400 Be that, but you know, Michael Jordan was definitely everybody's idol, 1:15:42.760 --> 1:15:45.600 but someone that I loved and try to pattern my 1:15:45.640 --> 1:15:49.280 game after. It was three guys. Actually it was Kevin Johnson. 1:15:49.760 --> 1:15:53.519 I love kJ, I love Terrell Brandon, and I love 1:15:53.640 --> 1:15:57.240 Kenny Anderson. Like those were my three guys that I 1:15:57.320 --> 1:16:00.800 looked up to and and like out of lives in wonder, 1:16:00.920 --> 1:16:02.760 you know, Pat of my game after. That's why I like, 1:16:03.000 --> 1:16:04.880 I love the mid range so much because of kJ 1:16:05.040 --> 1:16:07.479 and to real Brandon, two of the best at doing it, 1:16:07.560 --> 1:16:08.760 you know, especially. 1:16:08.320 --> 1:16:10.599 When I was coming up, you know, watching the game. 1:16:12.360 --> 1:16:14.120 And so what was your next was your second question? 1:16:14.479 --> 1:16:18.720 Oh, my favorite moment was It's got to be when 1:16:18.760 --> 1:16:20.880 I got drafted and was able to buy my mom 1:16:20.920 --> 1:16:21.519 our first car. 1:16:22.040 --> 1:16:24.800 You know, we never had a car growing up our 1:16:24.800 --> 1:16:25.519 whole life. 1:16:26.000 --> 1:16:30.200 And to get drafted and buy my mom that Cadillac Escalade, 1:16:31.600 --> 1:16:32.280 her first car. 1:16:34.640 --> 1:16:38.400 You right to Mexico. You know, I say, you big balling, 1:16:38.960 --> 1:16:41.040 but that was one of my happiest moments. 1:16:41.120 --> 1:16:43.719 Get my mom, you know the car, you know, house, 1:16:43.800 --> 1:16:46.640 my grandma house, and like for me, it's always been 1:16:46.680 --> 1:16:49.120 about just taking care of others, taking care of my family, 1:16:49.600 --> 1:16:51.479 and that's why I want to do it. 1:16:51.479 --> 1:16:52.679 That's what made me so hungry. 1:16:52.720 --> 1:16:53.040 And so. 1:16:54.640 --> 1:16:56.599 You know, you think back, like I said, twenty years old, 1:16:56.640 --> 1:16:59.080 twenty one years old. You know red Navigator. 1:16:59.240 --> 1:17:03.800 You know you was a l a after Blue Expedition, 1:17:03.880 --> 1:17:04.320 remember that. 1:17:04.560 --> 1:17:08.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so man, you gotta be careful. 1:17:09.000 --> 1:17:12.920 You gotta be killing driving that around here. Whatever you're 1:17:12.960 --> 1:17:15.920 driving Red Navigator. I'm like, man from the Midwest. 1:17:17.120 --> 1:17:20.960 Hey, Dre, he all at Inglewood. He's just going places. 1:17:21.000 --> 1:17:24.200 I'm like, bro, you can't be just be driving this 1:17:24.360 --> 1:17:29.200 red Navigator on twenties with the with the thump coming 1:17:29.240 --> 1:17:29.640 out of it. 1:17:30.120 --> 1:17:32.120 Man, I was, yeah, you look like. 1:17:32.680 --> 1:17:35.400 I'm like dwond I'm twenty one years I'm from the 1:17:35.400 --> 1:17:37.320 hood in Mexican. What I'm saying like, I don't know, 1:17:37.400 --> 1:17:39.960 Like I'm hanging with Pete Pierce. You work out together 1:17:40.040 --> 1:17:42.519 every day, you know, we go and play in Rogers Park. 1:17:42.600 --> 1:17:45.240 You know, I'm just hoopy, like I don't know. Hey, bro, 1:17:45.400 --> 1:17:47.439 he is in Remember I take you to the Drew 1:17:47.479 --> 1:17:49.360 League once. You tell me when I took you to 1:17:49.360 --> 1:17:52.040 the juw Leigue, don't ever do what bring you back up? 1:17:52.880 --> 1:17:53.080 Yeah? 1:17:53.160 --> 1:17:57.000 Yeah, hey, that ain't We got down the Jew League 1:17:57.439 --> 1:17:58.479 down you know. 1:17:58.840 --> 1:18:00.439 You know, of course I ain't scared to go nowhere. 1:18:00.479 --> 1:18:04.800 You know, I'm young whatever, But he like Jordan down there, 1:18:04.880 --> 1:18:06.800 so we go to He dropped me off. 1:18:06.960 --> 1:18:12.600 He's all over. He's talking to people by myself. You 1:18:12.640 --> 1:18:14.760 know what I'm saying everything They mugging me. You know 1:18:14.760 --> 1:18:17.479 what I'm saying, like, hey, I just stepped over your. 1:18:22.760 --> 1:18:23.400 Stuff to me. 1:18:24.080 --> 1:18:25.400 He was not feeling that. 1:18:25.640 --> 1:18:30.720 We was not feeling the Drew was. 1:18:30.920 --> 1:18:31.599 It was love. 1:18:31.680 --> 1:18:34.360 But it was early too. Remember you was back because 1:18:34.400 --> 1:18:36.040 it was early in the morning. He was like, BD, 1:18:36.680 --> 1:18:38.760 come on, bro, you got me down here. This is 1:18:39.280 --> 1:18:42.200 this is a gambling Jane that was back but old 1:18:42.280 --> 1:18:47.160 Jew at Drew Middle School. Yeah yeah, so the gym 1:18:47.280 --> 1:18:49.960 like this big, the gym like this big. So everything 1:18:50.080 --> 1:18:52.400 somebody say you can hear you know what I mean, 1:18:53.120 --> 1:18:55.120 even people whispering on the sidelines. 1:18:57.520 --> 1:18:59.160 But that was my guy. 1:18:59.280 --> 1:19:01.479 Man, you help me down when I was in college 1:19:01.880 --> 1:19:03.840 and then I wanted to share the story up. 1:19:03.920 --> 1:19:04.880 You probably don't even know. 1:19:05.000 --> 1:19:09.160 Roy Williams recruited me and when I was with the y'all, 1:19:09.200 --> 1:19:10.840 I came out here for the Best in the West 1:19:11.880 --> 1:19:14.360 and U at the time, I was five to three, 1:19:14.880 --> 1:19:16.800 and I used to watch y'all. 1:19:16.920 --> 1:19:20.640 You play for CMH. 1:19:20.720 --> 1:19:24.760 Yeah, so I was like, that's my guy, that's who 1:19:25.160 --> 1:19:27.439 that's who I can be. When I saw you play 1:19:27.479 --> 1:19:29.360 on CMAHS, I was like, yo, I can beat him 1:19:29.560 --> 1:19:32.960 because I'm going to be a little dude. And I 1:19:33.000 --> 1:19:34.960 played on Paul team. I don't even know if you 1:19:35.000 --> 1:19:36.760 remember that. I was on Paul's team. 1:19:36.760 --> 1:19:38.679 But we played joll in the slamming Jam. 1:19:38.920 --> 1:19:44.439 Yes, Bro, Roy Williams and everybody in the camp thought 1:19:44.479 --> 1:19:47.400 I was a handicapped kid, what you mean because I 1:19:47.520 --> 1:19:50.160 played with a limp. I was fresh, I was three 1:19:50.240 --> 1:19:53.439 days out of a broken ankle, and I showed up 1:19:53.479 --> 1:19:55.000 at the Best in the West because I. 1:19:55.000 --> 1:19:56.280 Just wanted to get recruited. 1:19:56.680 --> 1:20:00.000 So so all he played garbage time, Bro, and I 1:20:00.080 --> 1:20:02.640 and I had and I had a limp. I was 1:20:02.680 --> 1:20:04.720 the little dude on the team with the lip, and 1:20:04.760 --> 1:20:07.120 everybody thought I was handicapped Earn Roy Williams. 1:20:07.320 --> 1:20:09.160 He was like, what happened to that handicapped kid? 1:20:09.200 --> 1:20:11.280 He was so good. I was like, bro, that was me, 1:20:12.400 --> 1:20:14.920 but like you are my guy, man, my god. 1:20:15.280 --> 1:20:18.240 And I'll never forget that. I watched that game, like, damn, 1:20:18.400 --> 1:20:21.040 I'm gonna be like him. Man. That little dude got gang. 1:20:22.000 --> 1:20:24.040 He became six three your parenial All Star. 1:20:24.200 --> 1:20:30.080 Max was That was that was That was like one 1:20:30.120 --> 1:20:32.240 of the most shocking things that you had to deal with. 1:20:32.280 --> 1:20:35.000 And like coming from a small city and like moving 1:20:35.040 --> 1:20:36.960 to like l a. Yeah, so. 1:20:38.840 --> 1:20:40.600 I grew up in Mexico to my sophomore year in 1:20:40.680 --> 1:20:43.519 high school and then my sophomore year high school, I 1:20:43.600 --> 1:20:48.040 moved to Kansas City, Okay, Craze and so because like 1:20:48.120 --> 1:20:51.480 in Mexico wasn't being recruited. You there's a lot of politics, 1:20:51.560 --> 1:20:54.120 you know as far as who plays, who doesn't play, 1:20:54.520 --> 1:20:56.840 and people wasn't coming to Mexico to see, you know, 1:20:56.920 --> 1:20:57.760 see kids play. 1:20:58.280 --> 1:20:58.479 You know. 1:20:58.680 --> 1:21:01.719 So it was hard on my mom, you know, because 1:21:01.800 --> 1:21:04.120 like to let your son go as a sophomore hospital 1:21:04.160 --> 1:21:06.000 to move, you know, to Kansas City. 1:21:06.040 --> 1:21:07.400 I went to Raytown High School. 1:21:08.000 --> 1:21:09.479 It was hard for it. But if I wanted to 1:21:09.479 --> 1:21:11.040 get to where I wanted to get to. It was 1:21:11.040 --> 1:21:13.040 the right move, you know, it was the right move. 1:21:13.600 --> 1:21:15.839 And so I played in Kansas City, went to Raytown 1:21:15.920 --> 1:21:18.639 High School and then I played on the AAU team 1:21:18.720 --> 1:21:22.639 b bed talking about with Derrek Hood, you know, Jamal 1:21:22.720 --> 1:21:25.559 Walker and Manny Dott. I think our whole team went 1:21:25.640 --> 1:21:29.000 D one and the younger team underneath us that played 1:21:29.080 --> 1:21:31.840 up sometimes with Earl Watson, Corey. 1:21:31.640 --> 1:21:34.360 Mcghetty, Jeron Rush cole On. 1:21:35.360 --> 1:21:37.760 You know, so we team and that's when I got 1:21:37.800 --> 1:21:40.639 my first look because I wanted to go to Jordia 1:21:40.720 --> 1:21:43.720 Tech because I was you know, Kenny Yes, and he 1:21:44.080 --> 1:21:46.360 came to one of the games and he ain't looked 1:21:46.360 --> 1:21:47.000 at me one time. 1:21:47.280 --> 1:21:50.160 But it took step. It took step, you know. 1:21:50.240 --> 1:21:51.840 But that's when I kind of like got my name 1:21:51.880 --> 1:21:53.640 and got on the map and that's when I got 1:21:53.680 --> 1:21:54.880 started getting recruited and stuff. 1:21:54.920 --> 1:21:56.080 So it was huge for me. 1:21:56.400 --> 1:21:58.800 Yeah, we know, you played with Shaq, who's a big 1:21:58.840 --> 1:22:04.000 prankster in l a Uh. You gotta give us a 1:22:04.040 --> 1:22:07.640 wild shock prank or give us you know, I know, 1:22:07.720 --> 1:22:09.920 he's one of the best teammates ever did. 1:22:10.840 --> 1:22:11.799 One of the best teammates. 1:22:11.840 --> 1:22:15.400 Ever, somebody got a genuine and giving and taking care 1:22:15.400 --> 1:22:16.679 of people, like Shaq was dead. 1:22:17.160 --> 1:22:18.480 But I remember one time. 1:22:19.800 --> 1:22:22.519 He has devnth George to do something and Devon didn't 1:22:22.520 --> 1:22:25.519 do it, and so you know, Devin, you know, Lane 1:22:25.560 --> 1:22:26.040 didn't do it. 1:22:26.080 --> 1:22:27.559 Whatever, So shocks all right. Cool. 1:22:28.160 --> 1:22:32.720 So the night before we had a game, Devn's you know, 1:22:33.200 --> 1:22:35.080 I think, on the court shooting whatever, he's doing, the 1:22:35.080 --> 1:22:38.200 training room whatever. So Shaq goes in the stall and 1:22:38.200 --> 1:22:39.799 he takes a ship in Devon shooting. 1:22:40.120 --> 1:22:41.840 Oh my god. 1:22:42.880 --> 1:22:44.720 And so he takes it and he knocks it. He 1:22:44.800 --> 1:22:46.479 knocks it, you know. So it goes all the way 1:22:46.520 --> 1:22:51.800 down and so definitely definitely. 1:22:51.360 --> 1:22:54.840 Uh comes back, goes put a shoe on Drake and 1:22:54.880 --> 1:22:56.760 he stuck his stuck his footing. 1:22:56.560 --> 1:23:08.080 Some god, wash my god, Oh my god. 1:23:14.439 --> 1:23:16.360 Devin George is a rookie at that point. 1:23:16.520 --> 1:23:22.000 Yeah, he devastated. Wow, that's brutal. Man. 1:23:22.439 --> 1:23:26.599 Shaq is the biggest kid in the world, Doug, Shaq 1:23:26.720 --> 1:23:28.120 is the biggest kid in the world. 1:23:28.400 --> 1:23:30.920 You know what I give Shock credit for is I 1:23:31.000 --> 1:23:36.720 give Shock credit for being a megastar but living his life. Yeah, 1:23:37.720 --> 1:23:39.840 because you come across guys that you know, they won't 1:23:39.840 --> 1:23:41.320 come out of house, you won't see him. 1:23:42.080 --> 1:23:43.559 Shaq was out every day. 1:23:43.680 --> 1:23:46.280 So then it became just shocked, you know, And that's 1:23:46.280 --> 1:23:48.000 that's what he should do it, you know what I mean, 1:23:48.040 --> 1:23:49.960 because he was amongst the people. 1:23:50.240 --> 1:23:54.560 He did everything like so he was a hero. You 1:23:54.560 --> 1:23:56.000 can live a normal life, but you. 1:23:56.040 --> 1:23:58.719 Just you know, like locked, then you come out every 1:23:58.720 --> 1:24:01.280 now and then people don't see you, like it's harder 1:24:01.280 --> 1:24:02.080 for you to live at life. 1:24:02.080 --> 1:24:03.800 But shock, like, man, I'm just gonna live. 1:24:03.960 --> 1:24:06.320 And it's probably the smartest thing you ever did, you 1:24:06.360 --> 1:24:09.200 know what I'm saying, Because larger than life, but just 1:24:09.240 --> 1:24:12.000 to live every day life like you know, like me, 1:24:12.160 --> 1:24:13.840 like he just went out every day, did whatever you 1:24:13.840 --> 1:24:15.960 wanted to do. And people like, oh, I just shocked. 1:24:15.960 --> 1:24:17.439 We saw him last week, you know what I mean? 1:24:18.040 --> 1:24:19.839 It was cool, Like that was crazy. 1:24:20.080 --> 1:24:24.680 Shack at the city on fire? Oh my god, you 1:24:24.760 --> 1:24:25.840 have the city on fire. 1:24:32.320 --> 1:24:35.120 Trade you get traded to the Lakers on Draft night? Uh, 1:24:35.439 --> 1:24:39.000 first three years, don't go your way. Fast forward to 1:24:39.080 --> 1:24:41.760 the two thousand and one playoffs. 1:24:42.479 --> 1:24:46.760 You find out that you care n ireson. How was 1:24:46.800 --> 1:24:48.240 that conversation with Phil? 1:24:48.600 --> 1:24:49.800 The backtrack. 1:24:51.640 --> 1:24:54.519 The year before the year when Phil got there was 1:24:54.560 --> 1:24:57.880 in two thousand. That's when I had messed my knee 1:24:57.920 --> 1:24:59.519 up and I got a microfracture. So I was out 1:24:59.560 --> 1:25:01.479 for ten mon. I was out the whole year we 1:25:01.520 --> 1:25:06.280 won that first championship, and so coming back the second year, 1:25:06.840 --> 1:25:08.800 it was kind of like, you know, back and forth 1:25:08.840 --> 1:25:10.360 because they were just trying to figure out who was 1:25:10.400 --> 1:25:13.080 a good match and good fit, and so they brought 1:25:13.160 --> 1:25:16.000 in the guy, you know, Mike Penberthy, who was a shark, 1:25:16.479 --> 1:25:20.519 like keeking man, ball all over them. So you know, 1:25:20.760 --> 1:25:22.680 back then, if you go on IR day that you 1:25:22.720 --> 1:25:25.000 got to sit out at least five games. It wasn't 1:25:25.040 --> 1:25:27.080 like you were dressing. So if they put you on IR, 1:25:27.439 --> 1:25:29.760 you had to sit out of five games. And so 1:25:29.840 --> 1:25:31.880 it was like a whole year just back and forth 1:25:31.920 --> 1:25:34.840 with that. I was getting so frustrated. And then one 1:25:34.880 --> 1:25:36.760 time they came and putting me on IR and I 1:25:36.760 --> 1:25:38.280 remember I came in my cousin Dudo. 1:25:38.280 --> 1:25:40.599 I threw it, Uh, you know, I'm like love marble 1:25:41.200 --> 1:25:44.120 fish bowls like that marble. I threw it through a 1:25:44.120 --> 1:25:44.800 glass table. 1:25:44.880 --> 1:25:45.040 Man. 1:25:45.120 --> 1:25:46.640 He went, man, what the hell is going on? 1:25:47.120 --> 1:25:47.240 Man? 1:25:47.240 --> 1:25:48.479 They put me on I R again. 1:25:48.560 --> 1:25:50.559 I was I was Man, I was, you know whatever, 1:25:50.600 --> 1:25:54.400 going crazy. But the craziest thing is, back in those days, 1:25:54.479 --> 1:25:57.000 if you go on the if you get on the 1:25:57.000 --> 1:26:00.160 playoff roster, you had to be chosen. So we in 1:26:00.160 --> 1:26:03.200 the war room and he feels going around the room 1:26:03.320 --> 1:26:05.360 telling everybody who's on the playoff roster. And so at 1:26:05.400 --> 1:26:08.320 that time we had Mike Pemberthy, j R. Roder and 1:26:08.360 --> 1:26:11.519 myself and so when he called my name in the 1:26:11.560 --> 1:26:15.880 war room, Man I jumped crazy Kobe and them going crazy, 1:26:15.880 --> 1:26:16.920 and now everybody was happy. 1:26:16.960 --> 1:26:19.400 I was hyping. You know what I'm saying. Left Mike 1:26:19.479 --> 1:26:22.640 Pemberthy and j R. Rider off the playoff roster. So 1:26:22.680 --> 1:26:27.320 once you off, you can't play it you do, you 1:26:27.360 --> 1:26:28.240 can't play. 1:26:28.520 --> 1:26:31.479 Yeah, So throughout the course of those playoffs, I was 1:26:31.479 --> 1:26:34.280 playing like, you know, ten twelve minutes a game. And 1:26:34.360 --> 1:26:36.320 when people don't realize, it would have never been me 1:26:36.360 --> 1:26:37.960 in AI if. 1:26:39.280 --> 1:26:42.560 Milwaukee would to beat. 1:26:41.960 --> 1:26:44.840 The Stitchers in the Eastern Conference, because it's been Sam 1:26:44.920 --> 1:26:50.680 Counsel rayality, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't have played, you know. 1:26:50.840 --> 1:26:55.000 So so now we get to the finals and so 1:26:55.080 --> 1:26:57.519 the first game when I chicken like you know, I'm 1:26:57.560 --> 1:27:00.240 AI for two weeks, I'm playing AI, you know, run 1:27:00.280 --> 1:27:04.040 around fast, doing all this stuff, and so I ain't 1:27:04.040 --> 1:27:06.400 nobody was gonna play or not. But first game, with 1:27:06.520 --> 1:27:08.240 six minutes to go in the third quarter, he had 1:27:08.280 --> 1:27:10.920 thirty six points and I hadn't played yet. So the 1:27:10.920 --> 1:27:13.160 first time I checked in was six minutes to go 1:27:13.360 --> 1:27:15.280 in the third quarter, he had already had thirty six. 1:27:16.680 --> 1:27:18.160 That's brutal. He was cutting that. 1:27:18.400 --> 1:27:19.559 He was cooking that game. 1:27:19.640 --> 1:27:20.960 He was cooking that game, man. 1:27:21.320 --> 1:27:24.160 So you got to think, like as a young dude, 1:27:24.240 --> 1:27:27.280 you know, growing up the same height, like I analyzed 1:27:27.400 --> 1:27:29.160 AI too, you know what I'm saying, Like even we 1:27:29.280 --> 1:27:33.200 close in age, like that was like the culture, you know, 1:27:33.280 --> 1:27:35.320 stand up for, you know, who we are as the culture, 1:27:35.320 --> 1:27:37.400 who we are as people, and to live. 1:27:37.240 --> 1:27:39.280 It on the on the level that he did, I 1:27:39.280 --> 1:27:40.240 mean that was huge to me. 1:27:40.600 --> 1:27:40.800 You know. 1:27:41.000 --> 1:27:43.320 So when I had a chance to go in the game, 1:27:43.400 --> 1:27:45.280 like I said to step over and all that, Like 1:27:45.280 --> 1:27:46.240 at the time, I ain't. 1:27:46.040 --> 1:27:46.960 Even know it was a big deal. 1:27:47.040 --> 1:27:49.120 Like feel like he cost me over and I fell down, 1:27:49.240 --> 1:27:51.599 and you know, like he made it, you know shot, 1:27:51.600 --> 1:27:52.639 I contested it and. 1:27:52.600 --> 1:27:55.200 I stepped on his foot. You know what I'm saying, right, 1:27:55.360 --> 1:27:56.080 but to happen. 1:27:56.520 --> 1:27:58.800 But if it wasn't for that series, if it wasn't 1:27:58.840 --> 1:28:02.519 for Ai making it to the finals, I might have 1:28:02.520 --> 1:28:03.559 beenun the league that next year. 1:28:03.640 --> 1:28:06.439 Dann you play you playing you ball though? 1:28:07.360 --> 1:28:10.439 Yeah, yeah, put me on. 1:28:10.400 --> 1:28:13.720 The mat, because if I didn't have that match up 1:28:13.760 --> 1:28:15.599 with him, like I ended up playing twenty seven minutes 1:28:15.640 --> 1:28:17.760 a game in the finals, you know what I mean. 1:28:18.160 --> 1:28:20.200 But if I didn't had that matchup with Ai, I 1:28:20.200 --> 1:28:24.000 wouldn't have a match up against Toronto who had Album 1:28:24.000 --> 1:28:27.320 Williams and Vince Carter, Milwaukee who had you know, Big 1:28:27.439 --> 1:28:29.920 Sam and and Ray and those guys. 1:28:29.640 --> 1:28:31.599 You know, bead, So I wouldn't even have a matchup. 1:28:32.000 --> 1:28:34.600 So thankfully, you know, thank god he made it to 1:28:34.600 --> 1:28:37.040 the finals and like, okay, we need a different you know, 1:28:37.080 --> 1:28:39.040 we need a different guy to guard, you know, And 1:28:39.120 --> 1:28:40.320 that saved my career for real. 1:28:40.400 --> 1:28:41.879 So it was a it was a blessing in disguise. 1:28:42.120 --> 1:28:44.560 So the stepover was worth it. It was will worth it. 1:28:44.600 --> 1:28:44.920 I do it. 1:28:47.640 --> 1:28:50.040 Because you know they doing it in football. 1:28:50.160 --> 1:28:52.439 I was gonna ask you, you know how you feel 1:28:52.479 --> 1:28:54.759 about all that, you know, I mean. 1:28:55.240 --> 1:28:57.040 For me, it don't I don't feel bad like I said, 1:28:57.040 --> 1:28:58.320 it was a part of the history of a moment 1:28:58.360 --> 1:29:01.960 in history, you know. But like it ain't like I 1:29:01.960 --> 1:29:04.880 got called over failed that, you know what I'm saying, 1:29:04.920 --> 1:29:07.000 Like I could test the shot that back. 1:29:06.880 --> 1:29:07.360 On his foot. 1:29:07.479 --> 1:29:09.000 I kind of rolled my ankle, you know what I'm saying. 1:29:09.000 --> 1:29:10.240 But they make a big deal of it. 1:29:10.320 --> 1:29:13.479 But like I said, hey, my man, like if I 1:29:13.479 --> 1:29:15.440 can win the championship, I'll let a step. 1:29:15.160 --> 1:29:24.040 Over right now, step right down. 1:29:24.840 --> 1:29:28.080 That far far. 1:29:28.400 --> 1:29:28.559 Man. 1:29:29.000 --> 1:29:33.120 You end up leaving the Lakers after that, going to 1:29:33.160 --> 1:29:37.479 the Washington Wizards. End of that September Black Cat m 1:29:37.600 --> 1:29:41.439 j D Michael Jordan decides he is going to return 1:29:41.640 --> 1:29:44.719 and play for the Wizards. How did you learn about 1:29:44.840 --> 1:29:47.720 m j making his returning and was there any indication 1:29:48.600 --> 1:29:51.000 before he announced it that he was going to be 1:29:51.000 --> 1:29:52.439 coming back and playing in that season with you? 1:29:52.920 --> 1:29:55.840 So it's funny how it happened because you know, during 1:29:55.840 --> 1:29:59.960 that series with the Philly Lakers, you know, after that series, 1:30:00.240 --> 1:30:01.960 you know, Doug Collins, he's the one who made that 1:30:02.040 --> 1:30:02.880 step over famous. 1:30:02.880 --> 1:30:04.320 If the one for him, people probably would have made 1:30:04.360 --> 1:30:05.120 a big deal out of it. 1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:11.160 Oh, But then it's funny because he became the head 1:30:11.200 --> 1:30:12.400 coach the next year with the Whistles. 1:30:12.439 --> 1:30:12.839 Wow. 1:30:13.160 --> 1:30:16.360 And so after him watching that series, like that's my 1:30:16.400 --> 1:30:19.200 biggest payday. You know, they gave me two years four minutes. 1:30:19.520 --> 1:30:22.040 I'm saying, I'm gonna make a four hundred thousands, you 1:30:22.080 --> 1:30:24.960 know what I'm saying, So like, no, six, six hundred thousand. 1:30:25.000 --> 1:30:27.679 So I was like, Okay, I gotta take this deal. 1:30:27.720 --> 1:30:30.200 But it was grumblers that MJ might come back. But 1:30:30.439 --> 1:30:33.000 you know, MJ was part of the front office already, 1:30:33.080 --> 1:30:35.519 and so a guy you idolized and looked up to, 1:30:35.560 --> 1:30:38.080 if I could be a part of MJ, Like, you know, 1:30:38.120 --> 1:30:43.799 I ain't getting four million dollars a beating, I'm gone, 1:30:44.000 --> 1:30:46.200 you know what I'm saying. So that's what happened. And 1:30:46.200 --> 1:30:48.599 then when I did sign, you know, MJ came back 1:30:48.680 --> 1:30:50.680 and like to have a chance to play with m J, 1:30:50.800 --> 1:30:52.840 and like come on, man, like you go from Kobe 1:30:52.840 --> 1:30:55.880 and Shaq to MJ, Like, well, you couldn't have. You 1:30:55.920 --> 1:30:57.559 couldn't ask me. I could have retired after those two 1:30:57.600 --> 1:30:59.800 years of MJ. I could have retired there and been 1:30:59.840 --> 1:31:04.880 the happy nobody everything be that blessed to you know, 1:31:05.320 --> 1:31:08.720 to have that, you know, play with Kobe shot and 1:31:08.800 --> 1:31:09.519 George crazy. 1:31:10.439 --> 1:31:11.839 Only you and Horace Grant. 1:31:12.160 --> 1:31:15.280 Oh wow, yeah, yeah, I know we talked about MJ 1:31:15.479 --> 1:31:18.000 dropping fifty one on us. But I was happy MJ 1:31:18.160 --> 1:31:21.160 came back that year because I had thirty the game 1:31:21.240 --> 1:31:23.160 before and I was MJ that night. 1:31:23.560 --> 1:31:27.760 So I just show my kids that you feel me. 1:31:28.280 --> 1:31:31.160 Hey, if Jordan don't come back, I don't get thirty. 1:31:31.240 --> 1:31:35.200 I can't tell my kids. They won't believe I even 1:31:35.200 --> 1:31:39.320 played the one for that damn dunk. But like one 1:31:39.320 --> 1:31:42.480 of the most like one of the most iconic players. 1:31:43.080 --> 1:31:46.320 One of the most iconic players of MJ's career was 1:31:47.120 --> 1:31:49.360 the chase down block on Ron Mercer. 1:31:51.560 --> 1:31:52.320 That was crazy. 1:31:52.320 --> 1:31:54.439 Oh so you just around chased down blocks? 1:31:54.520 --> 1:31:55.920 That's no. 1:31:56.000 --> 1:31:58.120 I mean, I mean I missed. 1:31:58.240 --> 1:31:59.640 I mean I was part of it because I was 1:31:59.640 --> 1:32:01.320 there when Taken blocked Bggie Miller. 1:32:02.040 --> 1:32:11.120 Uh wow, you do it? There there for that bad 1:32:11.240 --> 1:32:18.839 bron and then Jordan's when he pitted against the glass 1:32:18.840 --> 1:32:19.400 two hands. 1:32:19.840 --> 1:32:22.040 Wow. That was crazy. 1:32:22.320 --> 1:32:24.880 And Ron Mercer was like an all American. I thought 1:32:24.920 --> 1:32:33.200 that was the thing that killed his confidences. He was. 1:32:35.000 --> 1:32:39.040 Him him KG stuff, you know, But like Ron Mercer 1:32:39.120 --> 1:32:40.800 was shout. 1:32:40.520 --> 1:32:46.759 Out, there was a legendary twenty ten pickup team. Yeah, 1:32:46.920 --> 1:32:51.000 there was a legendary pickup team in Las Vegas, Impact 1:32:51.560 --> 1:32:54.320 known for training. Uh no, we it was a it 1:32:54.439 --> 1:32:57.799 was a league. I think they're trying to give y'all credit. 1:32:58.880 --> 1:32:59.719 It wasn't a league. 1:33:00.080 --> 1:33:03.519 It was just runs. But you'll cheated all the time. 1:33:04.400 --> 1:33:09.160 Yeah you, Chauncey, Yeah yeah, I was cheating, Brody. 1:33:09.400 --> 1:33:11.920 Let me tell you what happened. So and you know 1:33:13.400 --> 1:33:14.479 I was a solid player. 1:33:14.520 --> 1:33:18.840 But in the summertime, oh my god, right, bro oh 1:33:18.920 --> 1:33:22.800 my god, and. 1:33:22.800 --> 1:33:25.080 So so we had you don't like this story too, 1:33:25.160 --> 1:33:28.599 because it's your partner to day. They so we we 1:33:28.640 --> 1:33:32.919 played best of seven series every day for for two months. 1:33:33.240 --> 1:33:35.120 We had the same team. We didn't lose a series 1:33:35.160 --> 1:33:36.040 for two months. 1:33:36.320 --> 1:33:38.840 And the team we had was just all guys that 1:33:38.880 --> 1:33:42.120 were just like milde packed players, you know what I'm 1:33:42.120 --> 1:33:46.320 saying in the NBA, but like together. It was me, Tayshawn, 1:33:47.040 --> 1:33:51.719 Jared Dudley, Patrick O'Brien, and our best player was Alan Anderson. 1:33:51.920 --> 1:33:58.280 Wow, double a god, Oh my god, Jordan that summer hey, 1:33:58.320 --> 1:34:02.160 hey daddy, he was Jordan bro Like it was just 1:34:02.200 --> 1:34:02.680 running thing. 1:34:02.760 --> 1:34:04.799 Like we never got beat. So they bought him. Beatie 1:34:05.040 --> 1:34:09.519 and Steven Jackson and Matt Barnes round our test, guys 1:34:09.600 --> 1:34:11.439 was flying in l a are we gonna beat this 1:34:11.479 --> 1:34:15.280 to nobody? Beat us to hold some Chauncey Kyle, Larry 1:34:15.439 --> 1:34:18.479 Jo We Hey, everybody. 1:34:17.960 --> 1:34:20.559 Yeah read yeah, read yeah, read yeah read the show. 1:34:21.040 --> 1:34:23.599 I ain't gonna even lie. We could have We could 1:34:23.600 --> 1:34:26.760 have beat y'all, but remember I had Tony Allen on 1:34:26.800 --> 1:34:31.880 my team. Hey, and and t A Oh my god, 1:34:32.200 --> 1:34:37.360 t A pastor ball b I'm out here working on 1:34:37.400 --> 1:34:41.080 my game to o G like nah, not bro getting. 1:34:42.120 --> 1:34:45.160 Hey day we flitzing pick and rolls. 1:34:45.880 --> 1:34:47.559 H Hey they call it sets. 1:34:47.920 --> 1:34:51.639 Uh yeah, we rotate Jao catching the post with Patrick 1:34:51.640 --> 1:34:53.080 o'brown become double team. 1:34:53.439 --> 1:35:01.160 He kicking the ball. Hey, dudes was first. 1:35:02.320 --> 1:35:03.960 Hey, that's that's funny. 1:35:04.080 --> 1:35:06.400 I can't remember if it was that summer, but I 1:35:06.920 --> 1:35:10.519 know I had been up to impact when you were 1:35:10.600 --> 1:35:14.000 up there, t Lou, because I remember the day that 1:35:14.080 --> 1:35:18.439 I was up there. Big baby was up there. D 1:35:18.680 --> 1:35:21.080 Jones came in yelling. 1:35:20.720 --> 1:35:23.680 To the top of his lung, talking ship to everybody. 1:35:24.160 --> 1:35:25.120 Then you can. 1:35:25.320 --> 1:35:29.680 Because Joe D Joe D has sent me Jordan a 1:35:29.720 --> 1:35:31.760 couple more of our friends out there to train for 1:35:31.800 --> 1:35:32.959 like four or five days. 1:35:33.439 --> 1:35:35.320 So we was out there training that impact. 1:35:35.560 --> 1:35:37.360 Yeah, on the on the little side court. 1:35:37.760 --> 1:35:41.439 Relax yourself, bro, Like we got main court work, Joe Dubar, 1:35:42.080 --> 1:35:45.120 we got main court work, a. 1:35:45.040 --> 1:35:47.759 Little side court, and then the defunk court. 1:35:49.360 --> 1:35:50.920 It's cool. It's cool, y'all. 1:35:50.920 --> 1:35:59.920 Both y'all both the hell Now, how about that? He say, 1:36:00.120 --> 1:36:02.479 when I make the team. Now you're both old as hell. 1:36:02.560 --> 1:36:04.120 Now you want to know, take the side. 1:36:05.040 --> 1:36:11.840 But Joe bar Man, he ran a hell Joe he 1:36:12.000 --> 1:36:14.160 uh with impact man, it was that was that was 1:36:14.240 --> 1:36:14.680 huge though. 1:36:15.360 --> 1:36:15.760 He did it. 1:36:15.960 --> 1:36:18.960 Great job for sure, Teelu. What's your biggest coaching What if? 1:36:19.439 --> 1:36:22.160 What if bron stays in Cleveland? And what if Katie 1:36:22.240 --> 1:36:23.519 doesn't go to Golden State? 1:36:24.720 --> 1:36:29.200 That's a good one. Well, what player is the hardest 1:36:29.200 --> 1:36:30.200 to game playing for? 1:36:30.800 --> 1:36:34.800 It's always been Steph, Like you know, I think you 1:36:34.840 --> 1:36:39.759 know Steph is, I mean, is one of the hardest, 1:36:40.120 --> 1:36:43.519 I mean the hardest guy the game playing for because 1:36:43.520 --> 1:36:47.200 of like everything he creates. He creates everything off his movement, 1:36:47.520 --> 1:36:49.760 you know what I'm saying. And people always want to 1:36:49.760 --> 1:36:53.080 try to duplicate you know what Golden State does. But 1:36:53.120 --> 1:36:55.920 you can't duplicate that because your best player, who was 1:36:55.960 --> 1:36:57.880 a Hall of Famer, who was the top five player 1:36:57.880 --> 1:37:00.040 in the league, like that's how. 1:37:00.040 --> 1:37:02.400 He wants to play, you know. So they got to come, man, 1:37:02.439 --> 1:37:05.439 well we don't like you know, are why was I 1:37:05.479 --> 1:37:09.920 gonna run around like that? Run around like James Hardy 1:37:09.960 --> 1:37:11.479 gonna run like that like you know what I mean? 1:37:11.520 --> 1:37:13.120 So you can't duplicate that. 1:37:13.400 --> 1:37:14.920 And that's why I always say, like, you got to 1:37:14.960 --> 1:37:17.920 coach to your personnel, not to your system, you know 1:37:17.960 --> 1:37:20.639 what I mean. Your your personnel has to fit your system. 1:37:20.640 --> 1:37:22.639 If not, you gotta change and do different things. Like 1:37:23.080 --> 1:37:25.120 every year I coach different. I got a different system, 1:37:25.200 --> 1:37:29.040 you know, every year. But Steph is the player that 1:37:29.160 --> 1:37:31.080 loves to play that way, you know what I mean. 1:37:31.280 --> 1:37:33.320 So when you have your best player that wants to 1:37:33.320 --> 1:37:35.240 play that way, it's easy to do because their bosse 1:37:35.280 --> 1:37:37.400 falls in line. But if you don't have that person 1:37:37.439 --> 1:37:39.400 they have a guy to do that, it's hard to 1:37:39.400 --> 1:37:40.680 play that style of basketball. 1:37:44.520 --> 1:37:46.960 We're always in for a good list before we get 1:37:46.960 --> 1:37:49.320 out of here. Appreciate you taking all this time. By 1:37:49.360 --> 1:37:53.040 the way, I hope, I hope I cost y'all loss 1:37:53.040 --> 1:37:54.360 so we can catch up with y'all. 1:37:54.400 --> 1:37:55.479 But you know that's a. 1:37:58.720 --> 1:37:59.280 Couple of days. 1:37:59.320 --> 1:38:04.280 You know, we always up a good list, So I'm 1:38:04.320 --> 1:38:07.320 asking you this question. I also love that it's become 1:38:07.400 --> 1:38:09.760 more of a thing, like there's more of us, and 1:38:09.960 --> 1:38:13.240 like that's the way it should be. Your top five 1:38:13.680 --> 1:38:18.240 coaches that are players that turn coaches of all time? 1:38:20.000 --> 1:38:20.200 Man? 1:38:21.560 --> 1:38:23.800 What what? What are the qualifications? 1:38:24.160 --> 1:38:25.920 Do it? Just dudes who coached? 1:38:26.439 --> 1:38:30.519 They were they were NBA players, and then and then 1:38:30.680 --> 1:38:34.879 and they are the top five they were NBA players, 1:38:35.200 --> 1:38:38.760 The top five coaches that were players turn coaches. 1:38:39.600 --> 1:38:43.480 Doc Rivers. I would say Al Adams. 1:38:43.760 --> 1:38:47.680 Great, r I P great, Alan Adams. 1:38:47.320 --> 1:38:53.719 I would say Bill Russell, Oh my god, Casey Jones, 1:38:55.439 --> 1:38:56.799 and then probably Lenny Lookins. 1:38:57.439 --> 1:39:01.320 No feel yeah yeah, I mean. 1:39:02.760 --> 1:39:05.800 Yeah, yeah, but like feel like feels like kind of 1:39:05.800 --> 1:39:07.719 grandfather like you talking about the most Shack. 1:39:07.880 --> 1:39:09.960 No, No, you don't count shack. You do you know 1:39:10.000 --> 1:39:13.479 what I'm saying? Like you you don't status? Yeah, I 1:39:13.520 --> 1:39:15.240 mean yeah, like. 1:39:15.360 --> 1:39:20.160 I feel like feeling Patterson like their own and another ballpark. 1:39:20.280 --> 1:39:22.559 Yeah, I forget about pat. 1:39:25.200 --> 1:39:27.120 You got to ask me. I gotta write that down first, 1:39:27.160 --> 1:39:27.800 and then I got it. 1:39:27.840 --> 1:39:30.160 You know. Here's the thing though, t Lou, I love Pat, 1:39:30.200 --> 1:39:31.200 I love Phil, but. 1:39:32.920 --> 1:39:35.400 It's it's the same thing kind of ends up happening 1:39:35.439 --> 1:39:37.080 with m J, where you like, yo, he and his 1:39:37.120 --> 1:39:40.280 own ballpark, but like no, but like people can't catch up, 1:39:40.320 --> 1:39:42.719 you know what I'm saying, Like people have put Phil 1:39:43.080 --> 1:39:48.080 again and feeling pat nobody's caught up, but maybe Pop 1:39:48.640 --> 1:39:51.880 nobody's caught up. But we always put these guys in 1:39:51.920 --> 1:39:54.880 these categories like they can't their stuff can't be touched. 1:39:54.920 --> 1:39:56.600 But like it's guys working towards that. 1:39:56.680 --> 1:39:59.160 Like I feel like when people talk to goat debate, 1:39:59.240 --> 1:40:01.840 for instance, a lot of people just say like Brian, 1:40:02.160 --> 1:40:03.880 like they ain't gonna say it's Brian or they ain't 1:40:03.880 --> 1:40:07.000 gonna say it's Kobe because they come after MJ. Not 1:40:07.080 --> 1:40:10.800 saying that they are better, but just because you come after, don't. 1:40:11.000 --> 1:40:14.080 Like what what is it that has to go on 1:40:14.160 --> 1:40:17.040 for someone to be like, okay, they are in that 1:40:17.160 --> 1:40:22.840 category with feeling that the Godfathers feeling and pat Win. 1:40:23.600 --> 1:40:25.160 You know, I think the biggest thing when you look 1:40:25.160 --> 1:40:27.400 at that, no matter who's on the team or who's playing, 1:40:27.479 --> 1:40:30.040 like you gotta win at a high level you know, 1:40:30.120 --> 1:40:32.400 and so I look at pat Riley, when I look 1:40:32.400 --> 1:40:35.680 at Field, like they want at an elite level, like say, 1:40:35.720 --> 1:40:39.880 have a pop ring, Steve Kerr forred rings, like you know, 1:40:40.000 --> 1:40:43.400 so like they want at an elite level, And so 1:40:44.280 --> 1:40:46.000 I just I base. 1:40:45.920 --> 1:40:47.280 Everything I was winning, you know me. 1:40:47.560 --> 1:40:50.200 You know, so when you look at pat Riley, you 1:40:50.200 --> 1:40:53.840 look at red Arabag, you look at you know, Phil 1:40:53.960 --> 1:40:58.320 Jackson like it's I mean, I know you should exclude him, 1:40:58.320 --> 1:41:00.000 but like they're just in their own yeah for sure, 1:41:00.120 --> 1:41:02.960 you know then and then you just kind of go 1:41:03.040 --> 1:41:07.360 from there. But man, we gotta start all over again. 1:41:07.400 --> 1:41:12.400 Then let's go go for it. Stevie Kurry, Steve. I 1:41:12.439 --> 1:41:14.240 was going to Stevie kurtin next. 1:41:14.320 --> 1:41:17.360 But you but you forget like the players that actually coach, 1:41:17.439 --> 1:41:19.559 you know what I'm saying. Like, so, Steve Kurk. 1:41:20.520 --> 1:41:20.920 Doc. 1:41:22.360 --> 1:41:28.680 Doc Lenny Wilkins, Lenny, are you are you basing off like. 1:41:29.560 --> 1:41:32.120 I was basing it off of your hoop game? And 1:41:32.160 --> 1:41:33.880 then how you won as a coach? 1:41:34.120 --> 1:41:34.800 Yeah? What you like? 1:41:34.880 --> 1:41:36.400 You was you a solid player? Like with you a 1:41:36.439 --> 1:41:38.559 solid player in the hoop game and solid as the coach? 1:41:38.640 --> 1:41:41.000 You mean, like I mean, all right, you know what 1:41:41.040 --> 1:41:44.320 we're gonna do. We're gonna go mixing the player and 1:41:44.360 --> 1:41:47.040 the coach. The greatest of all time. Stevie Kurr, You 1:41:47.120 --> 1:41:48.120 drop out, my friend. 1:41:50.360 --> 1:41:51.800 He made one of the bigges shots in the NBA. 1:41:51.880 --> 1:41:54.639 He did, but he made the shot, like, come on, 1:41:55.600 --> 1:41:59.120 Steve Kirk, Stevie Kurkr, that's my guy who Steve Kerr 1:41:59.240 --> 1:42:02.200 got me side in my chest in San Antonio. 1:42:02.360 --> 1:42:04.519 He's gonna flash the championship. 1:42:03.960 --> 1:42:04.559 Brings on me. 1:42:04.920 --> 1:42:07.800 And he had and he had the highest three point 1:42:07.840 --> 1:42:09.080 percent I think in NBA. 1:42:09.560 --> 1:42:11.000 He did, he did. 1:42:13.400 --> 1:42:14.679 Steve Kerry was tough. 1:42:16.600 --> 1:42:23.080 Players her Ptil Jackson, pat Riley dot. 1:42:23.400 --> 1:42:29.040 All Star Bill, I mean Bill. Of course. 1:42:30.360 --> 1:42:32.040 Wilkins was one big. 1:42:33.840 --> 1:42:36.480 Yep. Lenny Wilkins won one as a player. 1:42:36.120 --> 1:42:39.360 And then he won. Yes, tough. 1:42:42.600 --> 1:42:45.679 Those lists are always tough, man. We respect all them goats. 1:42:45.760 --> 1:42:48.439 By the way, this is just Magic Johnson. 1:42:48.840 --> 1:42:49.200 Magic. 1:42:49.479 --> 1:42:50.759 Magic was an awful coach. 1:42:54.600 --> 1:42:57.400 He wasn't awful coach. When you have great players to 1:42:57.520 --> 1:42:59.280 try to coach, you don't have the patience. 1:42:59.439 --> 1:43:00.000 That's a fact. 1:43:00.560 --> 1:43:00.760 Zee. 1:43:01.040 --> 1:43:03.880 When we see you, yeah, like. 1:43:05.400 --> 1:43:07.200 I'm never gonna be you Like you can get mad 1:43:07.240 --> 1:43:13.040 at me because I can't throw that when you when 1:43:13.080 --> 1:43:15.240 you're great like that, they don't have the patience to 1:43:15.400 --> 1:43:17.000 you know what I'm saying, to do it. 1:43:17.280 --> 1:43:19.720 And they didn't think everybody's gonna be as great as them. 1:43:19.720 --> 1:43:20.559 But it don't work like that. 1:43:20.960 --> 1:43:23.360 For sure. We respect all these grades. We love them. 1:43:23.400 --> 1:43:25.760 T Lou Man, we can't thank you enough, my brother. 1:43:25.840 --> 1:43:26.960 And this was incredible. 1:43:27.439 --> 1:43:29.479 Hey, by the way, I got a shirt story before 1:43:29.560 --> 1:43:35.519 we go. I was going through my stuff last year 1:43:36.160 --> 1:43:39.840 and I talked to t Lu face to face fresh 1:43:39.920 --> 1:43:44.280 on suspension, and Tu told me something very interesting, and 1:43:44.320 --> 1:43:46.320 I'll be trying to practice that. And I will say 1:43:46.320 --> 1:43:49.800 I've taken steps in the right direction, meaning I pick 1:43:49.840 --> 1:43:50.360 and choose. 1:43:52.120 --> 1:43:54.880 T Lou said, Dre, you gotta still be you. 1:43:55.439 --> 1:43:58.879 He's like you you you ain't special. 1:43:59.000 --> 1:44:01.479 Not being Hugh's like, that's what makes you special. 1:44:01.560 --> 1:44:03.880 You have to be you, and you have to play 1:44:03.920 --> 1:44:05.920 with that same fire and you have to be that 1:44:05.960 --> 1:44:07.599 same guy, he said. 1:44:07.640 --> 1:44:09.400 But it can't be everybody like. 1:44:09.439 --> 1:44:11.880 It can't be you going as your teammates and then 1:44:11.960 --> 1:44:14.640 going as your coach, and then going at the referees, 1:44:14.680 --> 1:44:17.040 and then going that players on the other team. It 1:44:17.080 --> 1:44:19.880 can't be everybody you got it, like maybe you at 1:44:19.880 --> 1:44:22.640 the referees all right, cool and move on right like 1:44:23.000 --> 1:44:24.160 he said, but you can't. 1:44:24.280 --> 1:44:26.520 It can't be everybody. 1:44:26.560 --> 1:44:28.640 And I just wanted to share that and I just 1:44:28.680 --> 1:44:31.000 wanted to say thank you because that at that time 1:44:31.120 --> 1:44:36.040 was huge for me and it's actually a lot better. 1:44:35.800 --> 1:44:37.519 For me and implemented that. 1:44:37.640 --> 1:44:39.479 You know, some games, I'm like, yo, I'm at this 1:44:39.600 --> 1:44:42.599 dude today. Some games I'm like, yo, it's a referee. 1:44:42.680 --> 1:44:43.559 I really don't like him. 1:44:43.600 --> 1:44:46.200 I'm at him right now, like you know, but it 1:44:46.280 --> 1:44:48.360 is like yo, pick and choose, like it can't be this, 1:44:48.439 --> 1:44:49.240 can't be that, can't be. 1:44:49.320 --> 1:44:50.040 This can't be that. 1:44:50.439 --> 1:44:53.040 And so I number one, I wanted to say thank 1:44:53.080 --> 1:44:55.920 you for that gym, that free game. 1:44:55.960 --> 1:44:59.000 I appreciate that my brother, but that was that was 1:44:59.040 --> 1:44:59.559 big for me. 1:45:00.240 --> 1:45:02.160 Yeah, I mean because he pined so much in the game. 1:45:02.600 --> 1:45:05.040 And like you said, you know, when you when your 1:45:05.080 --> 1:45:08.360 when your mind's everywhere, you can't focus on what you're 1:45:08.360 --> 1:45:10.519 trying to focus on, and so you can't be mad. 1:45:10.560 --> 1:45:13.840 And coaches, math, the players, math and reps, math, the 1:45:13.920 --> 1:45:15.960 old team, math, the fans, you know. 1:45:15.960 --> 1:45:16.479 What I'm saying. 1:45:16.720 --> 1:45:18.840 And now the swing swing, you got a shot you 1:45:18.960 --> 1:45:22.200 so womed up like you ready to fight everybody in 1:45:22.200 --> 1:45:22.840 the building. 1:45:22.640 --> 1:45:23.559 By till you get a shot. 1:45:26.520 --> 1:45:28.960 But no, like I say, I do you know, appreciate 1:45:29.000 --> 1:45:30.880 what you bringing like like a brother to me, you know. 1:45:30.960 --> 1:45:33.439 So I just wanted to if it wouldn't be right 1:45:33.439 --> 1:45:34.800 if I didn't tell you, like you know what I 1:45:34.840 --> 1:45:36.640 thought you could take and do what you want with it. 1:45:36.680 --> 1:45:38.599 But like, I just feel like I would have been 1:45:38.760 --> 1:45:41.280 a brother if I, you know, tell you like you know, 1:45:41.760 --> 1:45:43.519 this is how it should be. So I'm glad you're 1:45:43.560 --> 1:45:46.320 able to implement that and and kind of go from there. 1:45:46.479 --> 1:45:48.760 I appreciate you, brother. And the words of b D 1:45:49.240 --> 1:45:52.519 the t louisms. It's a rap from this episode of 1:45:52.560 --> 1:45:53.920 The Draymond Green Show. 1:45:54.240 --> 1:45:56.640 Shout out to you fans. We appreciate y'all to it 1:45:56.680 --> 1:45:59.760 and then until next time The Draymond Green Show with 1:46:00.120 --> 1:46:01.080 My dog b D. 1:46:01.640 --> 1:46:04.320 It's a rap. Yeah, peace. 1:46:06.439 --> 1:46:07.080 The volume 1:46:09.880 --> 1:46:10.160 M HM