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Speaker 1: a thank you um ahead of time here before we

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Speaker 1: Let's do that. Um, It's all I would say, you know,

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Speaker 1: And for me, that means hunting, fishing, camping, and stuff

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Speaker 1: and how do you even begin, Like like you go

427
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: out to a rifle range. Yeah, yep, went out to

428
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: a rifle range and shot at a few times and yeah,

429
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: a lot of times and got it sighted in and

430
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: so it was working. So I had the tools, but

431
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: I really had no idea how the process was gonna work, Like,

432
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: how is this going to happen? You know what I mean?

433
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: I mean, how's it gonna happen? That I'm actually gonna

434
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: go out and hunt, that I can actually shoot something. Yeah,

435
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: and um, it's so and marriage with me my girlfriend

436
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: and so um married from a big hunting, hunting family

437
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: and her brother at that time was ranching in the

438
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: Elkhorn Mountains just east Helena Yelk in the yellow Corn.

439
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:23,959
Speaker 1: Yeah and so yeah, we were hunting with Tim and

440
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: that's marriage. Brother, How explain it to me? Well, the

441
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: first time hunting from a van and just driving up

442
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: and down the dirt roads looking for deer, looking for whatever,

443
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: which would uh, we might as well get to this.

444
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: Let's get to this now because there is obvious question,

445
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: there's legal implications here, right. So, and in most states,

446
00:33:54,240 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: the Wildlife Management Agency UM has permits that enable people

447
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: with disabilities to do certain things. So like in Montana,

448
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: Fish Wallypon Parks has what they call a permit to

449
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: hunt from a vehicle pdh f B And you have

450
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: to meet certain uh physical criteria limitations and if you

451
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: meet those and it's all very formal, uh in Montana,

452
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: coote aditated. If you meet those conditions, they then give

453
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: you this permit which allows you to shoot from a vehicle.

454
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: Now you still have the same restrictions. You don't shoot

455
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: across a roadway, you don't shoot off up paved road, etcetera.

456
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: But if I'm in a field in a van and

457
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: somebody opens the door, I can shoot out of it legally.

458
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: Was it hard to be successful? Like did you Did

459
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: it take a long time to figure this out? Um? No,

460
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: it happened pretty quickly, like super lucky. Um. I remember

461
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: you said, you know and one of your shows, I've

462
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: watched the meet here a couple of times, and you

463
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: and Ryan Callenham We're hunting mild deer on public ground

464
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: in Idaho and shot a really nice nearly and you

465
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: guys were sitting there chat and you said, you know,

466
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: that's saying when people say you should have been here yesterday,

467
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: and you said, we were here yesterday, today is yesterday.

468
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's what my experience has been.

469
00:35:53,800 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: I mean, luck, whatever you call it it, it's just

470
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: kind of worked out that way. Doesn't mean that I

471
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: go home empty handed, just like everybody. And I'm glad

472
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: about that. But um yeah, I mean I would say,

473
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: hunted with Tim probably three times and ended up shooting

474
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: um at four point new there. That was the first animal,

475
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: I should from my chair? Did it? Did it ever?

476
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: Did you ever wrestle with it internally or did anyone

477
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: else ever articulate to you the idea that like like

478
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: why like why do you want to go do this?

479
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: Like this is something for other people? And now you're

480
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: sort of not not that you're not not that you're

481
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: not eligible, but for some reason, like why go through

482
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: all the halfs because the experience won't be what it was? Right?

483
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: So why not just like focus on other things? Did

484
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: you ever have any doubt like it's gonna be? So

485
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: I guess I'm trying to say, is that that you're

486
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: looking at you like my experience of it in the past,

487
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: that you're walking around, you're doing all these things, that

488
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: you're dragging the deer whatever it is. Um, so much

489
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: of that will be different now that maybe it's not

490
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: the same thing, Like maybe it's like I'm not going

491
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: out to do the same activity anymore because I can

492
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: only capture certain portions of the activity now from what

493
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: you knew in the past. Um. Well, So to answer that,

494
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, I do have that permit from a vehicle,

495
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 1: but I do not like to hunt from a vehicle.

496
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: And so I want to be on the ground. I

497
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: want to be in the midst of it as much

498
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: as I can. And and so I've been able to

499
00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: keep it as authentic as possible, and I still feel

500
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: like I've been able to capture the essence of what

501
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: what much of it was before I used a chair

502
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: and afterward. And and so I guess I've never I've

503
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: looked at it like you know, anyone that haunts knows

504
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: there's challenges, and so I've just looked at my situation

505
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: as a different type of challenge, hunting and unimaginable things

506
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: come up. Um, And so it's just I like that

507
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: challenge of trying to find a way around it. And

508
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: I guess ultimately, you know, you asked me when we

509
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: first started, at what point did I start to identify

510
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: as an outdoorsman? And so I guess I guess for me,

511
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: being able to face those challenges and stuff gives me

512
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: an opportunity to really exercise my identity who I am.

513
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: And you know, certainly there are because of limitations. Um,

514
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: you know, like I would love to go on a

515
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: solo trip overnight and and be solely and completely responsible

516
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: for the outcome, whether that's judgment or skill or knowing

517
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 1: the right place. I like that idea, but it's also

518
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: not going to happen. And so for me, the communal aspect,

519
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: small communal, but you know, the the opportunity two connect

520
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: and retain a bond with people that I spend time

521
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: in the outdoors is it's beyond value, you know. And

522
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: and on that note, so my buddy Dan packetty um,

523
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: and he's the guy that I usually hunt with, and

524
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: he and Mary and I spent a lot of time

525
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: hunting together. And Dan's pretty hardcore, die hard hunter and

526
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: has you know, dedicated thousands of hours over the years

527
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: that give me and us together an opportunity. And Dan

528
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: was the guy that taught me how to team rope

529
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: and really got me into rodeo. I was a young kid,

530
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: So you were friends with him way yeah, since I

531
00:40:55,120 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: was eleven. And and so you know, after my injury happened,

532
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: there is some sense of losing connection with your friends

533
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: because things change. And so being able for for him

534
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: and I to be able to find a new way

535
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: to connect and pursue a mutual goal, it's a pretty

536
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: awesome thing. That's a good friend, right, Yeah, absolutely, Yeah,

537
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: to be through that amount of changes with someone. Yeah,

538
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: and like and and Mary, as I said, you know,

539
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: I mean to put in perspective, uh, three people hunting together.

540
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: And you know, with my situation, you know, it doesn't

541
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: mean I'm jumping out of bed in the morning throwing

542
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: my own clothes on. You know, things take a while

543
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: and I need help with things. So there's many many

544
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: mornings where you know, Mary and I are awaken two

545
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: thirty three o'clock in the morning with a flashlight and

546
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: she's helping me get my clothes, you know. And then

547
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 1: but five thirty six o'clock Dan wakes up and starts

548
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: to slip things on. But we've already been at it, yeah,

549
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: three hours or whatever, and so it's not gonna happen

550
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: with without Mary helping me, and and then obviously Dan

551
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: helping as he does. So I'm the trigger guy. Mary's

552
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: if you get her upper Dan's for safety guy. Yeah.

553
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: Safety something I want to talk about because earlier, before

554
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: before we started recording, you would talk a little about fishing.

555
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I want to get it into that and

556
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: then get into like some obvious safety issues to come

557
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: up with being in the boat, for instance. But how

558
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: can you explain the equipment that allows you to fish? Sure? Um, similar,

559
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: the controls are similar to that gun mount. And this

560
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: is all very very recently changed and for the better

561
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: and and is changing as we speak. But the first

562
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: equipment I used to be able to actually cast and

563
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: really in was an electrical device and you know, an

564
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: analog system, and the guys down at Craig designed it

565
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: and built it and um it worked also with a

566
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: sip hum puff tube and so I would I would

567
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: sip into it into this tube which would activate a

568
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: little spool that had a small rope on it that

569
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: was attached to uh, the base of the fishing rod.

570
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: So as I'm sipping, the spool is tightening up that string,

571
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: which cocks the rod back, which simultaneously is stretching a

572
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: spring that's attached to the front of the rod. This

573
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: headset is coming off. Um U, that's good, that'll work. Forward,

574
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 1: there we go, thank you. So as the rods coming back,

575
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: you know, the rope is the little rope twine is

576
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: tightening the rods coming back. Then the ng is stretching,

577
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: and there's there's a device that they built two trigger

578
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: the um the bail to release the bail without letting

579
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: the line drop. So when it comes back to the

580
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: position the bail releases, I quit sipping, and that spring jerks,

581
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: pulls the rod forward and casts and is pretty accurate.

582
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: It it is. Um. The old system was basically everything

583
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 1: I described, but it was pretty limited, meaning it always

584
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: casted basically the same angle, the same distance, the same speed, etcetera.

585
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: It's basically on and off right right, and so then

586
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: you know when that happens, like um to help you

587
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: place it, you know in the right hole or right

588
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: right on the eddy line or whatever. But you're not

589
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: controlling the distance of your cast. You're contining where you

590
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: are relative to where you want to wind up. So

591
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: the fisherman in that instance and the oarsmen are working together,

592
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: and the oarsmen, you know, is trying to place the

593
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: boat so that the distance we both know the cast

594
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: is going to go and the angle of the boat

595
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: is going to help the fisherman time it enough to

596
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: drop drop it in the rights. Yeah. Yeah. And then

597
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: as I said, it's well, how does the process work

598
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: of so it's all visual, then you're observing it hit

599
00:46:54,680 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: you and then how you reeling. Um, I let's see

600
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: I blow in that same tube which activates the reel,

601
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: the motorized reel, and it starts to reel. But you know,

602
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: you don't want to just reel straight in. You know

603
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 1: you're your spinner is going to go to the surface,

604
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: and you know you're not gonna be fishing in the

605
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: right spot. So then you just kind of work it,

606
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: and you know, gradually you get to understand the speed

607
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: of the reel and you're able to blow enough to

608
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: keep it off the bottom without pulling it to the top.

609
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 1: And I'm watching the tip of the rod, and then

610
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: when something strikes it, then you know, then that system

611
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 1: that that I've just explained did not have a hooking action,

612
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: So then it just meant reeling pretty much as fast

613
00:47:54,719 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: as I could. Yeah. Yeah, when you're I could see

614
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: this all fishing from the situation you described earlier, the

615
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: guys that made the bass fishery where they had wooden docks.

616
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: But but you're saying that you're out in a boat, Yes,

617
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: in a wheelchair in a boat on a river. Yes.

618
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: Is it like a foregone conclusion that if that boat

619
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 1: where to flip, that you drown? Um? Not really? Um, absolutely,

620
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 1: there's inherent risk and by doing it, by how greening

621
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: to participate, you're taking that risk. But that's life. How

622
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: much is the wheelchair way mm hmm to fifty and

623
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: you're buckled in, I mean I am the strap and

624
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: you have a p fd on life jacket. Yeah. And

625
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: then you know, as Peter my buddy says, um, you

626
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: know he said, it's calculated risk. You do as much

627
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: as you can to minimize problems. And I hope that

628
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: something does happen, and it still may happen, but you've

629
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: done everything you can to prevent it. Do you when

630
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: it comes to like the calculating the risk? Are you

631
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: more now that you've been through so much? Are you

632
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 1: more cavalier about risk now? No? I'm actually more careful. Yeah,

633
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: especially the older I get, things have slowed down a little. Well,

634
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: I just I'm a little I'm just more careful. I'm

635
00:49:54,000 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: a little less willing two two do something that's made

636
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: be I don't want to say not sensible, but you

637
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: know that there that there is a greater risk if

638
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: you catch When you catch a fish, Let's say, do

639
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: you feel more um you're gonna catch a fish? Is it?

640
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: Do you feel the excitement of catching a fish and

641
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: the satisfaction of catching the fish from the same perspective

642
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: that you would have felt it prior to your accident.

643
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: Or do you feel like I caught this fish and

644
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: I'm quadriplegic or do both of those things happen at once?

645
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 1: I think they both happened at once. Um. But again

646
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: back to you know, me knowing that this stuff wouldn't

647
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: happen without other people, rather than me thinking I caught

648
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: this fish and I'm quartera plegic. I do you it

649
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: as we caught this bit? Yeah? You know when I

650
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: shoot a bowl elk, I don't feel for a moment

651
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: that I shot it, that I did it by myself.

652
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: You know, we accomplished that. Yeah, we being um a

653
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: couple of things. I imagine like we being your immediate

654
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: group you sort of clan, you know, out in the hills,

655
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: and then we being like some much bigger we of

656
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: people who have dedicated themselves. Is sort of establishing the

657
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: adaptive technology. Right. So are you not in a position

658
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: where you've been involved in in in sort of designing

659
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: or consulting or influencing these technologies. Yeah, um, a little bit,

660
00:51:54,680 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: mostly because uh, the technology is not happening at big companies. Yeah, yeah,

661
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: well I think there's a market, but limited it. Probably

662
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: the research and development is not going to be paid

663
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: by the return on investment, So it comes from a

664
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: probably comes from a like a nonprofit. Yeah, and just

665
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: good people that are I guess muld say nonprofit Like

666
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: it's not from the perspective of man. If I could

667
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: build a rod that would be usable to a quadriplegics,

668
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: I'd make a killing, right, So some of these things

669
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: must get made, and they're made, like just handfuls of devices,

670
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: dozens of devices. Yeah. At what point, like because right

671
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: now you're coming so right now you're here talking to

672
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: us about this. At what point did you begin to think, um,

673
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: about you'd overcome like these insurmountable difficulties and you found

674
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: a way to enjoy the things that you used to

675
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: enjoy and learn to enjoy new things that you hadn't

676
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: enjoyed before. At what point did you feel that you

677
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: had an obligation to come out and like tell other

678
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: people or help other people get through these things? Um?

679
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: I think I I think I felt it when it

680
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: when it first started happening, because I remember that that

681
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 1: dear the first year, I was saying I shot UM

682
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: with Mary and her brother, you know, and somebody called

683
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: the newspaper and was like, hey, this guy. So they

684
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: contacted me, we'd like to do a story. M hm.

685
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't doing it for publicity. I wasn't

686
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: doing it to get my name in the paper. I

687
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: was doing it because of sheer enjoyment. You were already

688
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: doing it anyway before. Yeah, But I then at the

689
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: same time, I felt like I've been granted some pretty

690
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: amazing opportunities, and and by enjoying those opportunities, I feel

691
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: some inherent responsibility to to to share that in a

692
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: way that might help other people. Yeah, and have because

693
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: it seems to me like you're resilient and that you

694
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: didn't allow a long passage of time after your accident

695
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: where you just you know, gave up. Have Have you

696
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: found that um your case, like your personal journey or

697
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: situation is sort of an anomaly or or how you

698
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: find that you have you talked to other people who

699
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: have not been willing to or been reluctant to to

700
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: to like overcome all the you know, to overcome all

701
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: the obstacles. I think sure there are just like any

702
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: other subset of a population that you know, there's people

703
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: that really really struggle and maybe don't get to the

704
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: point where they can start to enjoy life again. And

705
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 1: and I acknowledge that, but I but I think people

706
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: are human beings, are incredibly resilient and find ways to

707
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: do things. You know. It's funny because I never I

708
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: didn't know anything about disability before my experience, you know,

709
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden I'm faced with it,

710
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 1: and pretty soon you start to recognize that there are

711
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: people out there doing absolutely amazing things, amazing things that

712
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: seem totally impossible, and somehow they find a way. And

713
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: uh so, I don't know, I mean, are there I

714
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: guess I couldn't answer, are there more or less people

715
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: who do or do not find ways to do things?

716
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm aware of a lot of them who have really

717
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: done some incredible things. Do you do you regard yourself

718
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: now as being um like involved in a sort of

719
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: is there sort of like an adaptive movement or an

720
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: adaptive community that that works to sort of create and

721
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: connect people with adaptive technologies so that they can you know,

722
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: overcome disabilities. I mean, is there, like, is there a

723
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: place where people go for support on these issues or

724
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: is it just everybody is that kind of every man

725
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: for himself? No? No, I think what I've found is that, um,

726
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: people find ways to connect. I don't know of any

727
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: specific adaptive network or whatever, but certainly with the Internet,

728
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: people share information and how hey, how does this work

729
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: for you? Stuff? So there's a lot of benefit from

730
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: a peer perspective in that way. But but I also

731
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: feel that, um, there's a lot of programs conservation, hunting, fishing,

732
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: any kind of outdoor programs that that have in some

733
00:57:53,320 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: way done their best to help give people opportunities. And

734
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, I mentioned Fish Wilife and parks. Uh. You know,

735
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: they in they initiated what they call They're crossing the

736
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: Barriers effort, which is their effort to make all their programs, facilities, etcetera,

737
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: accessible to and usable by people with disabilities. And that

738
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: includes some of the permitting programs that they have and etcetera.

739
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: And you know, just the big law, the big civil

740
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: rights law which prevented and was intended to prevent discrimination

741
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: by public and private entities, is the Americans with disabilities.

742
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: So if you think about the fact that Fishwife and

743
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: parks uh uh, initiated. They're crossing the barriers before the

744
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: law happened requiring them to do that. That's that's pretty significant,

745
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: I think. And there's there's a lot of organizations out there.

746
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: UM A huge one is it's the Safari Club International.

747
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: I really didn't know anything about the Sparti Club International,

748
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: and UM I was nominated by a friend of mine,

749
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: Dr John Harlin, who's retired in Missoula, certain and a

750
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: member of the Safari Club, and he nominated me for

751
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: this award that SCI offers. UH. They give it out annually.

752
00:59:54,800 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: It's called the Pathfinder Award, and the the winner of

753
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: the award has chosen because he or she has been

754
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: a hunter and experienced some life changing event that limits

755
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: that ability, but still been able to find ways to

756
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: pursue would pursue those activities, and then also you know,

757
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: has contributed to others opportunities and that kind of thing.

758
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: So Dr Harlan nominated me for this award, which means

759
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: a worldwide award, and I think typically they choose two

760
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: people a year. And I knew he was because I

761
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: helped with the information for you know, the nomination or application,

762
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: But I didn't think there was any chance, you know,

763
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: so I win. I win the award in two thousand eleven,

764
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: so SCI flies me to Vegas for their annual convention

765
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: and they have a banquet, the Pathfinder Award banquet, and

766
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: so that's where I received the award. The prize for

767
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: having won the award is an all expense paid trip

768
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: for me and a companion in Africa for twelve days,

769
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: including all all hunting expenses and food, lodging, airfare, taxidermy,

770
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: and shipping of any trophies back to my That's pretty unbelievable.

771
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: And and it just so happens that the the guide

772
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: the professional hunters that I was matched with, Uh, the

773
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: guy started his name. I'll probably say it wrong, but

774
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: yeahn Lafa and so super great guy. I met him

775
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: in Vegas. Then we went and spent two weeks with him,

776
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: and so I was talking to him about the history

777
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: about of this, how did the path b Under Award

778
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: come about? How you know, et cetera. And it turns

779
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: out that I think in the nineties, UM, a guy

780
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: who was a hunter and real involved and stuff had

781
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: experienced uh, significant injury. And I was really having a

782
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: hard time. So a couple of guys yawn and some

783
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: other guy. UM got together and chatted about it, said

784
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: what can we do to really help this guy out?

785
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: So they awarded the first path Bunder award to that

786
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: guy and took a monit trip. You know, that's pretty amazing.

787
01:02:56,320 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: And I the Safari Club in and National does that

788
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: kind of thing in its local chapters all the time.

789
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: So I have personally with the Western Montana chapter I

790
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: participated in. I've been there on two haunts where young

791
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: boys with disabilities we're able to haunt elk and both

792
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: were successful. The only reason I was there because I

793
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: have a four world right vand with a lift, So

794
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: I was just helping them get where they needed to be.

795
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's and and so I guess sorry for

796
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: my deviation. Whole point is, um, you know, there's lots

797
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: there are a lot of programs and organizations that that

798
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: like being involved in this kind of thing and that

799
01:03:51,520 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 1: see the reward that happens. And so UM, I I

800
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: guess there's not an adaptive network, but there are there.

801
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: There are people and organizations out there that facilitate the process.

802
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: Do you have a thing you say or would like

803
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: to say when you meet people who are trying to

804
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: overcome these kind of you know, these like severe adversity,

805
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: these adversities in life, like like do you have coart

806
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: of like a stump speech you give the people who

807
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 1: feel like there's no way to go forward, and it's

808
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: coming from someone who's been there, you know. Um, I

809
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: guess not the specific language, but two messages that I

810
01:04:54,760 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: hope that I share because because they're they're things that

811
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: have helped me, And the first one is they're kind

812
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: of related. But the first is and not lose hope,

813
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, if you lose hope, you might

814
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:15,439
Speaker 1: as well hang it up. You know that things will

815
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: get better, things do get better, things get easier, more enjoyable.

816
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: And then just generally to not lose hope in a

817
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: belief in possibility because I think if if a person's

818
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: able to envision that that's something they want to do

819
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: can happen and maybe will happen, even if they don't

820
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: know how it will, I think that keeps them moving

821
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: forward and towards finding a way. Have you had a

822
01:05:55,120 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: problem keeping your own advice? At times you fall into

823
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: you're falling the moments of bitterness through Are they frequent? No? No?

824
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: Are they long lasting when they come. No, is it

825
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: fair to say bitter like? What's it feel like? UM?

826
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: I would say discouraged, discouraged? Yeah, yeah, I don't think

827
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: I've ever been better, but certainly discouraged. And fortunately they're

828
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: not long lasting. Man, I really want to thank you

829
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: for come and take the time to talk to us. Yeah,

830
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: thank you guys for do you have anything you want?

831
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: Things you'd like to add that we didn't get a

832
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: chance to talk about. UM. Now, I was I was

833
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: thinking as we're driving over here, you know, because I

834
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: know you usually ask questions like that at the end,

835
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: and and so, UM my thought would be, you know,

836
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:19,479
Speaker 1: speaking to any organizations out there or people who who

837
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: find some level of whatever joy satisfaction. Um in seeing

838
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: people who have limitations be able to pursue these activities

839
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: would encourage people to to please help support those opportunities. Um. However,

840
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 1: they can get involved with a conservation group, get involved

841
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 1: with those boarding groups or whatever, and they're not difficult

842
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: to find, you know, and and maybe you can be

843
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: an instrument to to help somebody face what is otherwise

844
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: a pretty insurmountable barrier. So I guess that's the first thing.

845
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: And um, and then secondly kind of alan the same lines.

846
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: If if there are individuals who or maybe end up

847
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: listening and think, you know, yeah, but I don't you

848
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 1: know that that couldn't happen for me. Yeah, I can,

849
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, and and I'm I'm so fortunate that I've

850
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:39,759
Speaker 1: had the social support and the people around me too

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01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,600
Speaker 1: to encourage me to do things, you know, and so

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01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: up a person doesn't have those people. Let's say if

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01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: I was plucked out of my regular everyday life and

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01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 1: dropped into a new location where I didn't know anybody,

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01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: and I had to figure out, how can I do

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01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: this if if I want to, you know, don't be

857
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: afraid to knock on doors, don't be afraid to find

858
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: out who the groups are around that, what they do,

859
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 1: what can you do to offer them? And you know,

860
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: so I guess that will just hopefully lead to opportunities. Yeah. Well,

861
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 1: I just like to point out that, like we kind

862
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: of breezed over Chris's very very like lustrous hunting career,

863
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: and it sounds like he shot like from what we

864
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 1: heard in the last hour, like a deer and elk,

865
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: but from talking on the telephone, I mean, you've now

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01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 1: killed like you're saying dozens of l dozens of deer,

867
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: and you're even shooting ducks now right, I read in

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01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: an article where you're trying working on it. Yeah, like

869
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: wing shooting. I did. I did wing shoot one duck

870
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 1: which may have been lucked. But you know, they usually

871
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: they usually land into the wind. They usually come in

872
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: about the same altitude or same level above the ground.

873
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 1: So if I'm aiming in the right direction and it's

874
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:28,480
Speaker 1: a safe direction, and I know, you know, uh, reasonable

875
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:33,719
Speaker 1: distance to shoot, and adult happens to enter that area,

876
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: then I think it's reasonable to take a shot. Yeah.

877
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,759
Speaker 1: How many days would you say now like this coming

878
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: up fall? Like what do you have plann or like,

879
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: how many days do you think you'll spend out and about? Um? Well,

880
01:10:51,560 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 1: since I'm planning to draw a bull, moose per man um, No,

881
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 1: I'll probably spend between hopefully ana dear elk, maybe a moose. Um,

882
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: I'll probably spend twelve fifteen days in the field, you know,

883
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: something like that, more than the average hunter is going

884
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 1: to spend in the field. Yeah, that puts you in

885
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: top tier. I puts you in top to your days

886
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 1: in the field out top tier outdoorsman. And I would

887
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 1: say some years it's a lot less like like anybody,

888
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: you know, either life gets in a way or you

889
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 1: get you were there yesterday the first time you go out.

890
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: But no, I I yeah, I just I'm enjoying. And

891
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: what's the next piece of equipment that you're thinking like,

892
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: this would be cool? I should or we should start

893
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: working on this too, you know, help you do something

894
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: that you feel like maybe he's out of reach, but

895
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: you're thinking about it. Well, it's it's being perfected right now.

896
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 1: The guys down at Craig Hospital have been working on

897
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: that fishing system we talked about, which is analog. They've

898
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: now got that all converted to digital, which gives it

899
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: more capabilities. I can set a hook, I can adjust

900
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 1: the angle of the cast um and let's see what

901
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: else the distance of cast and so uh and I've

902
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: I've used the prototype well in the yard, you know,

903
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: with Peter. Peter had it, My buddy Peter had it

904
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,679
Speaker 1: plugged into a laptop and so he and I were

905
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: just casting it together. I was casting it, he was

906
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: making adjustments and stuff. And they're perfecting it right now.

907
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 1: So yeah, I really want to use that device. And

908
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 1: then uh, they're going to use that same technology to

909
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 1: further improved a rifle mount. So I would be I'd

910
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: really like to try that is the Is some of

911
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: the equipment prohibitively expensive? Yes, yes it is um but

912
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: some of the people who make it, because they know

913
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: they're not making money, are very generous with it. Generous

914
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 1: to make and then generous to get into people's hands. Basically, yeah,

915
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 1: for what it costs them to build it, sometimes less

916
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: if they can get some of the parts donated or

917
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 1: otherwise acquire them. Yeah. Uh, these guys sound likes are

918
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 1: pretty amazing guys there, they're they're amazing. And I know,

919
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: you know we're talking earlier. You guys are gonna be

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01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: spending more time in Bozeman. Oh, it's strongly encourage you

921
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: to go check these guys out on fish Hatchery Road.

922
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 1: Well it's Barney Road, I think the road that goes

923
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: to the Barney Bridge by Nathan. A while from the bridge,

924
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:34,679
Speaker 1: they have their camp. It's called Camp bull Wheel because

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01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: there's a big actual bull wheel still sitting in the

926
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: yard from Nies or something. And yeah, these you guys

927
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: are going to be doing some pretty cool stuff. I mean,

928
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: like making adaptive technologies available to people that need them. Yeah. Oh,

929
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:01,560
Speaker 1: and there's so many people contribute into the to the project,

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01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: you know, volunteer guides, volunteer shuttlers. One guy, um he's

931
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: planning to come bursting that I think maybe from Indiana.

932
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 1: He's gonna be here for the whole summer. His jobs

933
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 1: to cook. Um so. And there's running river trips with

934
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: people wheelchairs and fishing. Yeah, people in wheelchairs or other

935
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: limitations that might not be wheelchair but yeah. Yeah, what's

936
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: this organization called again Camp Bowl wheel and then the

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01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 1: Again the hospital that's done a lot of the Craig

938
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: Hospital and they do a lot of they've helped develop

939
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 1: a lot of adaptive technology. Yeah. That's good for people

940
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: to look up and check out the thing. Yeah, that's

941
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: good stuff, right man. Well, thank you, yeah, thank you

942
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 1: guys for joining us. Appreciate you taking all the time.

943
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 1: I know you have a long drive. It'll be a

944
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:09,560
Speaker 1: good drive though, stay out there. Yeah you've seen some

945
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: wildlife I think. Yeah, alright, Chris Chris Clasby, Thanks Chris,

946
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you guys. Man By