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Speaker 2: After the murder George Floyd, white people across America looked
Speaker 2: around and said.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, are we racist?
Speaker 2: So America took a good hard look at itself and
Speaker 2: when big corporations saw themselves in the mirror, they said,
Speaker 2: oh shit, we're white as And to address this problem,
Speaker 2: businesses turned to a solution called diversity.
Speaker 1: Equity and inclusion are DEI yo, what up? Everybody?
Speaker 3: Welcome to The Daily Show Ears edition. This you boy
Speaker 3: Ashton Walmack, stand up comic writer for The Daily Show.
Speaker 3: I'm here with the one and only you have seen
Speaker 3: him before. They is no stranger to the show. Please
Speaker 3: help me.
Speaker 1: Welcome Charlie bayth the God. This is awesome.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I'm super excited for you one being here,
Speaker 3: and I'm definitely excited about this piece you're doing. My
Speaker 3: first question is, honestly, I got some questions on the paper,
Speaker 3: but I do have a personal question. I pitched the
Speaker 3: piece D piece during Black History Months, but they were like,
Speaker 3: they hit me up. They're like, charlottetne wants to do.
Speaker 3: They told me your piece, but I was wondering, did
Speaker 3: you already have D I in mind when you came here,
Speaker 3: or what kind of piece did you have in mind
Speaker 3: when you wanted.
Speaker 2: To No, I didn't necessarily have a peace in mind,
Speaker 2: but DEI is something that's always, you know, top of
Speaker 2: mind for me because I often wonder who comes up
Speaker 2: with these things, and so you know, when everybody is
Speaker 2: up in arms over something, I want to pay attention
Speaker 2: to it to see what has them up in arms.
Speaker 2: And it all comes back to, you know, blackness, right,
Speaker 2: like anything that, like I said in the piece, anything that,
Speaker 2: anything that leads to black progress. For some reason, you
Speaker 2: have some white people who think that equates the white failure,
Speaker 2: and so they don't want that.
Speaker 1: They've never wanted black progress.
Speaker 3: I feel like, but it's that like they don't want
Speaker 3: black progress because I feel like it's like it's like
Speaker 3: a saying I always heard, it's the equity saying, like
Speaker 3: you gaining anything makes it feel like you're taking something from.
Speaker 2: There, and that's ridiculous, Like there's more than enough to
Speaker 2: go around, I mean, and by the way, I don't
Speaker 2: even know if what's going around is the actual pie
Speaker 2: they're eating from. They have a large enough pie that
Speaker 2: they don't even have to give us a slice of
Speaker 2: that give us. We can have our own ovens and
Speaker 2: our own ingredients and bake our own pies, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, we don't need a slice of
Speaker 2: your We don't need that, I trust me.
Speaker 3: I think that point comes up. That point comes up
Speaker 3: a lot in my life because I used to be like, man,
Speaker 3: I want to go to these clubs. I want to
Speaker 3: go to these white clubs. And I finally get I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh man, I'm gonna go to the black club. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go to our response. No offense to them. It's
Speaker 3: just like, oh, you know, there's enough of your own
Speaker 3: that's right, your own pie.
Speaker 2: And what usually happens in those situations, our pie tastes better.
Speaker 2: So then they come around and they try to get
Speaker 2: a piece of our pie, you know, And that's that's
Speaker 2: not that's the problem. Okay, we got this over here
Speaker 2: for us, y'all, got that over there for y'all. Now,
Speaker 2: at some point we can come together and collectively, you know,
Speaker 2: do something. But let the cooking.
Speaker 3: Jack Harlowe stay your lane, bro until then. Okay, So
Speaker 3: we're here talking about d I uh so, how was
Speaker 3: the writing process? How's the whole process been for you
Speaker 3: coming in.
Speaker 1: I love it, man.
Speaker 2: There's not too many things I love more creatively than
Speaker 2: coming in here and sitting down with the writing team
Speaker 2: of The Daily Show man, I mean, the best in
Speaker 2: the business.
Speaker 1: I think that they were already on their A game.
Speaker 2: I think John, you know, the legend John Stewart coming
Speaker 2: back got everybody even sharper than they was he did.
Speaker 1: He came back, I was like, oh, I gotta work,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like, I thought y'all were super sharp last year when
Speaker 2: I hosted the show a couple of times, but just
Speaker 2: even coming back now, it's even more sharper. And I
Speaker 2: mean even sitting in the We were on a zoom
Speaker 2: one time, you know, talking about the DEI stuff, and
Speaker 2: John just popped in on the zoom and John was like, Yo, Charlie,
Speaker 2: I want to give you this, And so he gave
Speaker 2: me something that actually unlocked a whole bunch of other thoughts,
Speaker 2: which probably the writers hated, because no, no, not at all.
Speaker 1: I sent like thirty forty different.
Speaker 3: I swear to you, not at all when he said that.
Speaker 3: At the point, you know, the point he was making
Speaker 3: was about like how slavery you know this is all.
Speaker 2: Kinds of ZI was created by the oppressors, Yes, exactly,
Speaker 2: And so that made me start thinking about, yeah, this
Speaker 2: is something that corporate America created, and now corporate America
Speaker 2: is upset about. And when you look at like what
Speaker 2: happens a lot of times in these cases, right, most
Speaker 2: of anything that causes black progress is going to cause
Speaker 2: conservatives to lose this shit ninety percent of the time. Right,
Speaker 2: So when it comes to something like DEI, it feels
Speaker 2: like they're hijacking the language, right, which they always do.
Speaker 2: They did it with woke, they do it with critical
Speaker 2: race theory. So they're hijacking the language of DEI. So
Speaker 2: then we start to hate it. Woke got They used
Speaker 2: woke so wrong that we started, you know what, y'all
Speaker 2: can have.
Speaker 3: It used to be third I stuff. It used to
Speaker 3: be with my dad with smoke weed. He'd be like,
Speaker 3: you gotta boy, you gotta get woke. Now I don't
Speaker 3: nobody now we don't even want it. They're hoping we
Speaker 3: do that with DEI. That's why they take the words right, diversity.
Speaker 2: Of course black people want that, equity, of course black
Speaker 2: people want that inclusion.
Speaker 1: Of course black people want that.
Speaker 2: But they're hoping that we go, man, we don't even
Speaker 2: want diversity, equity inclusion.
Speaker 3: On which is why I love how we tackle this piece.
Speaker 3: We literally expose them, expose them for all they're just racist,
Speaker 3: the racist rhetoric they've been using on DEI, and then
Speaker 3: we actually take a real nuanced look at what DII.
Speaker 1: Is and like address like is this good for us?
Speaker 3: And I genuinely like love how we went about tackling Absolutely.
Speaker 2: The truth about DEI is that although it's well intentioned,
Speaker 2: it's mostly garbage. Okay, it's kind of like the Black
Speaker 2: Little Mermaid. Just because racist hate it doesn't mean it's good.
Speaker 2: And you know I'm right because every one of you
Speaker 2: is sat through one of those diversity training sessions and
Speaker 2: thought this is bullshit, and it's not just you. Over
Speaker 2: nine hundred studies have shown that DEI programs don't make
Speaker 2: the workplace better for minorities. In fact, it can actually
Speaker 2: make things worse because of the backlash effect.
Speaker 3: One thing I noticed, I see how deeply you are
Speaker 3: inspired by John and like Late Night and watching your show,
Speaker 3: and when you come in and host you can feel
Speaker 3: your study. I can tell whenever you like with hosted,
Speaker 3: you can feel that like you were truly in this.
Speaker 3: That's that's one of the pleasures I feel like working
Speaker 3: were working with you is because you are actually like
Speaker 3: You're like one, You're like like, I love this shit,
Speaker 3: I'm in it. So I'm like just now, and I
Speaker 3: mean we were just saying you were fully in it,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I can tell you were appreciating
Speaker 3: it as much as we appreciated.
Speaker 2: The Daily Show is the cultural institution. I've read the
Speaker 2: Daily Show book twice. I've listened to the audio back
Speaker 2: probably twice, so you know, I'm familiar with you know, Jen,
Speaker 2: and like all of these people that you you heard
Speaker 2: from in this book, and then you get to meet
Speaker 2: them and then you realize.
Speaker 1: Why they've had the success that they've had.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing I'm so intrigued by nowadays, like longevity,
Speaker 2: right because we live in such a flash in the
Speaker 2: pan era. So I like to see people who not
Speaker 2: only evolved from whatever position they started in, but were
Speaker 2: able to maintain, you know, that level of success operating
Speaker 2: on a high level for so long, Like even if
Speaker 2: we you know, when you talk about even like athletes, right,
Speaker 2: like Lebron James is going to be studied in the future.
Speaker 2: Tom Brady is going to be studied in the future.
Speaker 2: How did they stay so good.
Speaker 1: For Joe Biden is going to be studied. No, he
Speaker 1: will not be.
Speaker 2: He will not be longevity, folks, that's that is one
Speaker 2: that we will be saying, should have hung it up
Speaker 2: long ago.
Speaker 3: But no, I absolutely to your point. Jen twenty five showrunner,
Speaker 3: been here twenty five years.
Speaker 1: It's incredible, isn't it to me?
Speaker 3: Like one of my heroes, somebody I'm like every time
Speaker 3: I just look across the table her work and I'm like, bro,
Speaker 3: you you really be.
Speaker 1: Putting into work. She's been holding this place down.
Speaker 2: Like because it's a system, and I'm big on systems.
Speaker 2: I think systems lack in a lot of areas. Like
Speaker 2: there's a lot of areas in my life that could
Speaker 2: use a real system. I'm not gonna put anything on blast,
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of, you know, areas in my
Speaker 2: life that I know would be way better if we
Speaker 2: had an actual system.
Speaker 1: And that's what I love about the Daily Show. I
Speaker 1: rave about it all the time.
Speaker 2: Even when I'm not here, I just I'll be at
Speaker 2: my other places complaining and like, see, we don't have
Speaker 2: a system.
Speaker 1: I can tell.
Speaker 3: I'm only brought it up because I love the Daily
Speaker 3: Show as well, Ben a fan since I was a kid.
Speaker 3: When I'm in here, I soak it all in. I
Speaker 3: appreciate it, I give it all I can. And I
Speaker 3: saw I just see that in you Hope being the
Speaker 3: host doing the same thing. So I just wanted to say,
Speaker 3: I see that shitt brother, that's fire. That's why it
Speaker 3: makes it a lot easier and this piece even funner
Speaker 3: to work on somebody who's like in it. But speaking
Speaker 3: of I do have a question about the D piece.
Speaker 3: To bring it back to the DEI. We had a
Speaker 3: segment about mediocre black people. What inspired that? Was one
Speaker 3: of the points you were making. What inspired the mediocre
Speaker 3: black people in D?
Speaker 2: Because we don't want that either, Like the one of
Speaker 2: the things that we complain about a lot is mediocrity. Like,
Speaker 2: you know, you'll have white people in these, you know,
Speaker 2: positions of power and they don't bring anything great to
Speaker 2: the table either. They're just there because they're the mediocre
Speaker 2: white man. So you know, you don't want DEI to
Speaker 2: come around and they just have the mediocre woman there
Speaker 2: or the mediocre black person there.
Speaker 1: You want people who are actually great at what they do.
Speaker 2: The problem with a lot of these things is that
Speaker 2: when you hear, like a Charlie Kirk or whoever, just
Speaker 2: because I'm black don't mean I'm mediocre. So you can't
Speaker 2: say things like if I saw a black pilot, I
Speaker 2: would be afraid, or if I saw a black pilot,
Speaker 2: I would second guess whether or not I wanted to
Speaker 2: be on the plane.
Speaker 1: That's your bias, that's your racist bias.
Speaker 2: You look at black people as inferior, right, So just
Speaker 2: because I'm black doesn't mean I'm inferior. Just because you're
Speaker 2: white doesn't mean you're subperio. So I was just like,
Speaker 2: we don't want any mediocrity, period.
Speaker 3: Do you think this rhetoric, like you said, Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 3: he's going around saying black people are mediac and invoking
Speaker 3: that kind of feeling towards when any time you see
Speaker 3: a black person in power. Usually typically when Republicans and
Speaker 3: conservatives have found their talking point, they hammer that. They
Speaker 3: hammer it down until as you can see a mass
Speaker 3: wave of people who are kind of psychologically weak to
Speaker 3: it start to believe it. Do you think that this
Speaker 3: mediocre narrative that they're pushing about black people and on
Speaker 3: affirmative action.
Speaker 1: Do you think that might stick? Is that something like
Speaker 1: is that something we should be afraid about? Like this,
Speaker 1: it's already I think it's already stuck. It's stuck. It's
Speaker 1: been sticking for four hundred plus years.
Speaker 3: But that's part of almost like the actual Republican talking point.
Speaker 2: Yes, because they believe that they believe that, we know,
Speaker 2: the Republican Party, you know, is the Party of the Confederacy,
Speaker 2: has been forever. So they already believe that there's nothing
Speaker 2: they're saying now rhetoric wise, that they already haven't felt forever.
Speaker 2: It's been passed down from generation the generation degeneration. That
Speaker 2: is the narrative they have a black people, that is
Speaker 2: the perception they have a black people. That's why profiling
Speaker 2: will never go away, you know. That's why you know
Speaker 2: they can look at a black person and already think
Speaker 2: they got us peg. They can label us thugs, they
Speaker 2: can label us dead beat fathers.
Speaker 1: All of that already exists.
Speaker 2: So if you already feel that way, there's nothing I
Speaker 2: can do to change that. President Barack Obama was considered
Speaker 2: a mediocre negro to conservatives. You could tell by the
Speaker 2: way they spoke to him. You could tell by the language.
Speaker 3: I would say, he was affront to like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not about to sit here and gasp Obama.
Speaker 1: You know, he got all his things.
Speaker 3: But I would say, in the white eyes, they have
Speaker 3: this image of the great white man, and I thought
Speaker 3: to them, while he was so scary, was because he
Speaker 3: was in the.
Speaker 1: Front to that, now you see a great black man, I.
Speaker 2: Think, I think, to the conservatives, he's still a nigga,
Speaker 2: you know what I so, So as long as you're
Speaker 2: looking at a person and saying they still nigga, you
Speaker 2: looking at them as mediocre. You looking at them as inferial.
Speaker 2: You know, you've dehumanized them in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: No, that's that's a great point.
Speaker 3: I was only asking the mediocre point because I was like,
Speaker 3: I wonder if he had a specific mediocre black person
Speaker 3: in mind, specifically because I was like, we can make
Speaker 3: fun of him on the shop.
Speaker 1: Well, actually, you know what I was talking about.
Speaker 2: Wh When I was thinking about that, I wasn't thinking
Speaker 2: about black person as an individual. And and I hate
Speaker 2: the even do this, but this is the line of
Speaker 2: business that I'm in. I'm in the entertainment business. So
Speaker 2: I was really just thinking about a lot of the
Speaker 2: content that was created over the last few years, you know,
Speaker 2: because of I guess DEI. You know, people wanting more
Speaker 2: diverse characters and more diverse people in certain roles. Like
Speaker 2: there was just a lot of garbage. I think that
Speaker 2: was created from a TV and film standpoint.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I've seen a lot of garbage. Let
Speaker 3: me ask you a question. The Baltimore de I Bridge.
Speaker 3: We all know about it. If you saw it, you
Speaker 3: obviously saw it. They called the Baltimore mayor the dee
Speaker 3: I Mayor. This is obviously the new boogeyman, I mean,
Speaker 3: the new cultural boogeyman, like that's been vocalized the DEI.
Speaker 3: Do you think what do you think is the next
Speaker 3: boogeyman gonna be? We need to watch out for.
Speaker 1: Well that right there.
Speaker 2: If anybody uses a little bit of common sense, they'll
Speaker 2: realize how stupid that talking point is, because you know,
Speaker 2: what they're trying to essentially say is these people are
Speaker 2: in these positions, you know, just because they're black, are
Speaker 2: just because they're a woman, are just because they're gay,
Speaker 2: not because they earn them. Yo, people vote folks in right,
Speaker 2: nobody put the mayor of Baltimore in that position like
Speaker 2: a group. He went out there and he campaigned, and
Speaker 2: he convinced a group of people black, white, gay, straight
Speaker 2: women and men to go out there and vote for
Speaker 2: him to make him the next mayor of Baltimore. So
Speaker 2: I think they're going to continue, you know, pushing that
Speaker 2: rhetoric because that goes back to a Birth of a
Speaker 2: Nation from nineteen fifteen. So that movie Birth of a Nation.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a scene in the movie where it
Speaker 2: shows all of these black elected officials and politicians like
Speaker 2: just looking real savage lips, greasy eating chicken, all.
Speaker 1: Crazy, barefoot in the office, you know. And the reason
Speaker 1: they did that because it was propaganda to show folks
Speaker 1: that this is why you can't allow black people to vote,
Speaker 1: this is why you can't have black people be elected officials.
Speaker 1: It was just to.
Speaker 2: Scare America, scare America to keep black people away from
Speaker 2: politics in any way, shape, any position. To me, this
Speaker 2: is just an evolved version of that, because there's no
Speaker 2: If you're running around saying that an elected official is
Speaker 2: a dei elected official, you're just an idiot because you
Speaker 2: just don't understand how the voting process works. And I
Speaker 2: bet you if you took some of those numbers. I mean,
Speaker 2: Baltimore is a very black city. But if you took
Speaker 2: Baltimore and you looked at who voted for him, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's a large percentage of black people. But
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's a decent percentage of white people too.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's a decent percentage of women. Like Barack
Speaker 2: Obama's probably the best example. He had a whole nation coalition,
Speaker 2: a whole nation coalition. That's not a DEI higher, and
Speaker 2: it's not a higher.
Speaker 3: That's people getting behind his ideals and feeling that that's
Speaker 3: the next This is where I want to take my country.
Speaker 3: This is who I want to This is where progress
Speaker 3: is going to be. This is like gonna like one
Speaker 3: hundred percent agree that's right. And so like another point,
Speaker 3: and not even just in politics, the DII is a
Speaker 3: DEI attacks on like medical institutions, feeling like a black
Speaker 3: doctors can't them undermining black doctors as if you don't
Speaker 3: go through med school. The answers are still the answers,
Speaker 3: The test is still the test. They don't go up
Speaker 3: to black doctors or black pre med students to be
Speaker 3: like the knee bone is connected to the as bone. Yeah, past,
Speaker 3: you're still we still have to take the test.
Speaker 2: You're not skipping steps if you're a doctor, truly, you're
Speaker 2: not skipping steps if you're a pilot. Yeah, there's certain
Speaker 2: things in this world that you're not skipping steps on
Speaker 2: that literally. So whenever you label anybody DEI something and
Speaker 2: they're at those you know, where they're an elected official
Speaker 2: or doctor or pilot or an attorney, no, they did
Speaker 2: not skip step steps to get the where they are exactly.
Speaker 3: We have to take a real quick break. We'll be
Speaker 3: right back. Welcome back. I'm here with Charlamagne and the God.
Speaker 3: What do you think is the things we can do?
Speaker 2: I think the biggest issue that we have is we
Speaker 2: don't have no real leadership. We don't have any real
Speaker 2: movements because you know, when we're talking about DEI being
Speaker 2: something that Corporate America invented, yes it is. It's something
Speaker 2: that they invented the cover the ass to keep from
Speaker 2: being sued, to make it seem like they were doing something.
Speaker 2: After George Floyd, when people started looking under the hood
Speaker 2: and realizing, like, well, y'all talking all of this wokeness
Speaker 2: and what needs to be done for black people and YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2: But your whole board is white. So they literally came
Speaker 2: up with this DEI thing to keep from being sued.
Speaker 2: But you know, there's real solutions that can be put
Speaker 2: on the table, Like, you know, the George Floyd Policing
Speaker 2: Act is a real solution, right, the John Lewis Voting
Speaker 2: Rights Act, that's a real solution.
Speaker 1: When we were in the meeting, you know, somebody said it.
Speaker 2: Somebody was like, there's a difference between marketing and creating
Speaker 2: actual laws. There were actual laws that have been put
Speaker 2: on the books to help black people. Affirmative action, when
Speaker 2: done right, is something that actually can benefit of black people.
Speaker 2: So you just need real leadership and real movements to
Speaker 2: push for real legislation. Doctor Martin Luther King, ju you
Speaker 2: was pushing for real legislation during the Civil rights era.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we I think I can say firmly,
Speaker 2: I don't think we have that in two thousands.
Speaker 3: We don't have any black leaders. We have no close
Speaker 3: is Charleston white Jesus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a problem. We don't have no black leaders.
Speaker 3: They murder them they assassinated them, and now we're left
Speaker 3: on our own devices, and we're deft with media figures
Speaker 3: and we're left with corporations to like, we still got
Speaker 3: the black problem. Let's uh, we gotta let's let's figure
Speaker 3: that out with policies and uh in effective policy.
Speaker 2: And some of the black leaders want to be the
Speaker 2: media figures because a lot of the black leaders think that,
Speaker 2: you know, in order to continue to galvanize people and
Speaker 2: grow their audience, they got to have a podcast or
Speaker 2: they got to have a YouTube show. And I mean
Speaker 2: they might be right to a certain extent, but I
Speaker 2: would rather them, you know, let's go back to the
Speaker 2: days of like I did my job and amplified what
Speaker 2: you were doing, like.
Speaker 1: Which is which is what I want to do all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: I try to amplify those people who I know are
Speaker 2: on the front lines, like a Tamika Mallory, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, you know, like what they're doing with
Speaker 2: untel freedom is fantastic, Like, so I like to amplify
Speaker 2: people who are doing that work.
Speaker 1: What was the young lady you.
Speaker 3: Had on your podcast to interview uh mayor Eric Adams? Yes,
Speaker 3: like she went she was That was a perfect example.
Speaker 1: O A Jimmy or Lauren. She had a.
Speaker 3: Fantastic that was incredible. That was an incredible just interview
Speaker 3: and watching it was great to watch, you know, power
Speaker 3: get pushback on with somebody who knew the facts, who
Speaker 3: knew the data, because it always feels like times you're
Speaker 3: people are allowing people say stuff and then they just
Speaker 3: walk away. So to hear her call them accountable in
Speaker 3: real time, that was.
Speaker 2: And see the beautiful thing about that to exactly what
Speaker 2: we're talking about. She's a lawyer, she's an activist talking
Speaker 2: to an elected official. Like to me, that's a consequential conversation.
Speaker 2: Like I've been watching her for a while, like she's
Speaker 2: been on Breakfast Club before, but I watch her, you know,
Speaker 2: on social media and I watch her YouTube and she
Speaker 2: she challenges you know, Eric Adams, and she's critical of
Speaker 2: Eric Adams. So I just felt like, and the moment
Speaker 2: that we're in right now, especially in New York City,
Speaker 2: she'd be the perfect person to have that conversation, you
Speaker 2: know with him. I felt like the people you know,
Speaker 2: needed to hit that and I think it looked like
Speaker 2: I think it made me like Mayor Adams even more too,
Speaker 2: because he wasn't like shying away from it. He wasn't
Speaker 2: ducking it, and it forced him to be human and
Speaker 2: eventually just say, man, don't y'all know what's going on?
Speaker 2: Can't y'all see what's going on? They're targeting all the
Speaker 2: black mays. It's a target of all the black mans,
Speaker 2: just sending all of these migrants to all of these.
Speaker 3: And to your point, making it look like black bears
Speaker 3: are ineffective, and that's yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: So I just I just felt like that was a
Speaker 2: great conversation. So yes, to your point, to your question,
Speaker 2: we don't have enough real leadership, We don't have any
Speaker 2: real movements. And I think that all of us need
Speaker 2: to understand. We all got a position to play. So
Speaker 2: when those people that are leading and those people who
Speaker 2: are trying to create these real movements, when you see them,
Speaker 2: it's our job as media figures to amplify them. Because
Speaker 2: Malcolm X said, a p who controls the media controls
Speaker 2: the minds of the masses. So we got to be
Speaker 2: very cognizant of you know, who we're amplifying, who were
Speaker 2: putting in our peoples, putting in our people's earss.
Speaker 1: That absolutely, absolutely, I would say doctor Umar.
Speaker 2: I like Umar too, even if you disagree with doctor
Speaker 2: Umar is doing, which I don't know how you could
Speaker 2: disagree with what he's doing, because he should We should
Speaker 2: be building our own institutions. But if you don't feel
Speaker 2: like he's doing it, right, offer him some assistance.
Speaker 3: But that's the thing we want to talk about black leadership,
Speaker 3: and like it feels more entertainment than leadership. And I
Speaker 3: feel like if I give him money, is it gonna
Speaker 3: go anywhere? Or is this just going to fund the movement,
Speaker 3: his movement or a movement.
Speaker 2: That's a great question, right, But I'll tell you this,
Speaker 2: you cannot help who has the star power relying if
Speaker 2: we say Martin Luther King Jr.
Speaker 1: Didn't have star power, of course, the way.
Speaker 2: He's spoke, it's the way he looked charisma, Malcolm X
Speaker 2: had star power, Like he just did the way he
Speaker 2: the way he's he orientated, the way he looks everything.
Speaker 2: So it's like when somebody has has that star power,
Speaker 2: you can't be upset about that. Like, you know, we
Speaker 2: should build coalitions around these people and let's all see
Speaker 2: if we can get behind this person to help them
Speaker 2: with their message, especially if we know the ultimate goal
Speaker 2: is deliberation.
Speaker 1: Of our people. I truly feel like that.
Speaker 2: When it comes to somebody like doctor Lumar, I feel
Speaker 2: like he really wants to liberate our people. You know,
Speaker 2: I really truly feel like that, and like people can
Speaker 2: disagree all they want. I see that brother putting in
Speaker 2: the work all the time. Doctor Ubar definitely should create
Speaker 2: DEI policies.
Speaker 3: I would love to see a doctor Lamar based d absolutely.
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing too though.
Speaker 2: I Mean it's like, because all of this is based
Speaker 2: around the DEI you know, conversation, Yo, he is a
Speaker 2: leader in his space, just like you know I said earlier,
Speaker 2: Tamika Mallory is the leader in her space. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of different leaders in their space. If their ultimate
Speaker 2: goal is deliberation of black people. I want to put
Speaker 2: all their ideas on the table because I know one thing,
Speaker 2: all their ideas are going to be better than corporate
Speaker 2: America coming up with you know, ice, spice and dunkin
Speaker 2: Donuts commercials.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, All of that is better.
Speaker 2: All of that's gonna be better than whatever dunkin Donuts
Speaker 2: and all these other corporate entities are coming up with.
Speaker 3: Percent, hundred percent that is. That is facts. I'm still
Speaker 3: tripping over the Ice Spice.
Speaker 2: I didn't know it was really brought up in a
Speaker 2: writer's room and and somebody googled it and it was like, oh,
Speaker 2: Ice Spice does have a Dunk Dunk commercial and it's
Speaker 2: because of ben Afflecks.
Speaker 1: What's it called.
Speaker 3: It's a diversity commercial, which is I think is that.
Speaker 3: I don't like that because you don't hire her. You
Speaker 3: don't hire Ice Spice as no diversity higher. You wish
Speaker 3: Ice Spice was doing your ship.
Speaker 1: Yes, you were. She is choosing you to do your
Speaker 1: little dunkin Donut commerc that's.
Speaker 2: She's perfect for a dunkin Donuts or Starbucks. Like her
Speaker 2: name is Ice Spice, she's perfect for dunkin Donuts.
Speaker 1: That's not an equity high.
Speaker 3: Ice latte, spiced ice pumpkin spice latte. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: there's so many Duncan donuts. Send me my bread. That's
Speaker 3: a diversity high. That's smart marketing. Yeah, how dare you?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say my piece about the d I piece.
Speaker 3: I think it was one of the funnest things I've
Speaker 3: getting gotten right on in a long time.
Speaker 1: It was dense. It was.
Speaker 3: We got some really good jokes in there. I know
Speaker 3: y'all loved it. Is anything you want to say before
Speaker 3: you want to go, man, I.
Speaker 1: Just enjoy it.
Speaker 2: What I really love enjoying enjoying about doing the Daily
Speaker 2: Show is I do really like, you know, talking about politics.
Speaker 2: I really do talk like talking about you know, social issues,
Speaker 2: and you know, I have the Breakfast Club and I
Speaker 2: have the Brian Idia's podcast when Andrews shows, but it's
Speaker 2: just something about the Daily Show when you come in
Speaker 2: here with a real po V and you you come
Speaker 2: in here with some real thoughts. It's like America, here's it.
Speaker 1: Because I watch all you.
Speaker 3: I watched Breakast Club, I watched Brillion, It's I watch
Speaker 3: you on Daily Show. You have three different true modes.
Speaker 3: And when you're here, when you in your Daily Show bag,
Speaker 3: it's like it's like elevator. I mean, you do everything elevated,
Speaker 3: but truly I know what you're talking like you're.
Speaker 1: It feels grown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels adult, like the are the these are
Speaker 2: the things that when I do Daily Show, when I'm
Speaker 2: at my daughter as cheerleading competition in Atlantic City or
Speaker 2: Wildwood somewhere, it's some fifty year old, sixty year old
Speaker 2: white person coming up to me talking to me. I
Speaker 2: saw you on Daily Show. I appreciated that. When I
Speaker 2: did Daily Show last time, not the last time, the
Speaker 2: time before last, I believe, and I had Doug Melville
Speaker 2: here and we had just put out his book Invisible
Speaker 2: Invisible Generals, and we had a book signing at Barnes
Speaker 2: and Nobles that night. In the front row, it was
Speaker 2: like these three older white women and they was like,
Speaker 2: we came here because we saw you on Daily Show.
Speaker 2: We saw this conversation with Doug on Daily Show and
Speaker 2: we thought it was fantastic, so we came here to
Speaker 2: support you. And then the old lady goes and I
Speaker 2: really like you on Daily Show. I'm rooting for you
Speaker 2: to get the job that I was like, that's just
Speaker 2: a different audience. He yeah, I feel like, yes to
Speaker 2: get your older basis. I think the foundation the older,
Speaker 2: older white woman crowd for sure, but also everybody.
Speaker 1: I think with the old debates, I think I love
Speaker 1: trust me, I love it.
Speaker 2: You know, we talk about diversity, equity, and inclusion, but
Speaker 2: people want to exclude old people. I think that we
Speaker 2: need to look at the world we're in as everybody
Speaker 2: being a potential consumer. I think we need to throw
Speaker 2: demos out the window. Stop worrying about you know, oh,
Speaker 2: this is for this person, and this is for this
Speaker 2: age group and just for that age group. No, everybody
Speaker 2: is a potential consumer because I think this is the
Speaker 2: first time.
Speaker 1: Ever where you have really no bridge when.
Speaker 2: It comes to age, like everything is just all in
Speaker 2: one big melting pot.
Speaker 3: That point is a great point to make, especially on
Speaker 3: a diversity and an inclusive podcast, equity inclusive podcast, because
Speaker 3: the original DEI programs You're, You're, who's the man you
Speaker 3: brought onto the phone call on the zoomug Melville Doug
Speaker 3: Melville that point he made about how the original DEI
Speaker 3: was just expanding your market to diverse audiences so you
Speaker 3: can make more money. That's all it was simply about.
Speaker 3: So yes, one hundred percent, ain't nothing wrong with ain't
Speaker 3: nothne wrong with nobody.
Speaker 1: We want everybody to be here. That's an incredible point.
Speaker 2: When people see Breakfast Club, you're gonna see Kodak Black
Speaker 2: and Nikki Haley and Bishop tdjit you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We had Becky Lynch, wwe wrest Law and Judy bloom
Speaker 2: like you're not. I don't limit myself to anything because
Speaker 2: I'm a very curious person and I do have a
Speaker 2: lot of different interests, and I have a lot of
Speaker 2: different things that I'm into. My mom told me a
Speaker 2: long time ago read things that don't pertain to me.
Speaker 2: So therefore I put my nose in a little bit
Speaker 2: of everything just to see what's what's going on. So yes,
Speaker 2: I think that we need to, like I said, we
Speaker 2: need to change our mindset and just realize everybody's a
Speaker 2: potential consumer.
Speaker 1: Everybody.
Speaker 3: I think that is an excellent, excellent, excellent point that
Speaker 3: we can wrap this podcast, sir.
Speaker 1: Can I plug one thing absolutely? Of course. My new
Speaker 1: book comes out May twenty first.
Speaker 2: It is called Get Honest or Die line Why small
Speaker 2: talk sucks, because I absolutely hate small talk. When I
Speaker 2: say small talk, I'm not even just talking about like
Speaker 2: when somebody sits down next to you and y'all forced
Speaker 2: to make conversation. I hate that too, But I'm talking
Speaker 2: about the fact that we discuss a lot of micro
Speaker 2: issues and we make a lot of micro issues macro,
Speaker 2: which is another reason I love doing the Daily Show
Speaker 2: because it feels every time I come to the Daily Show.
Speaker 2: We're only talking about the macro issues, and we're talking
Speaker 2: about them in such a digestible way, Like there's no
Speaker 2: small talk on the Daily Show.
Speaker 1: Like this is a show that is very.
Speaker 2: Consequential, and the things you say on this show actually
Speaker 2: have consequences and they resonate with America. So I really
Speaker 2: appreciate doing it. But my new book, Get on Us
Speaker 2: or Die Line, Why Small Talk Sucks, will be available
Speaker 2: May twenty first, and you can preorder it now wherever
Speaker 2: you buy books.
Speaker 1: Go get that, Go check that out.
Speaker 3: Go check out this other book, Black Privilege, Charlotmagne To God, everybody.
Speaker 3: My name is Ashton Walmack and this has been The
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