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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tye.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Solid Rebel boys and girls. My

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Speaker 2: name is ty Hildenbrand, that fine gentleman back in his

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, sir, how are you good?

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Speaker 3: It's warm out. We got to see each other in person,

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Speaker 3: It reigned a little bit, but we had great times

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Speaker 2: As always this episode, all our episodes are driven by

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Speaker 2: our good friends over at Geico. As Dan mentioned, today's

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Speaker 2: show is the five and seven game. You've got a sound,

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Because because I think of these teams.

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Speaker 3: I'm very caffeinated today. When I think of five and

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Speaker 2: I am as well. The five and seven game. We're

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Speaker 2: the three and nine game. In the four and eight game,

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Speaker 2: Me, well, it excites me on a number of different

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Speaker 2: Dan Rubinstein. All right, this team featured it's backup quarterback

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Speaker 2: Are you saying Illinois in the playoff in twenty twenty two?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I am fascinated by Illinois as well. And we

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Speaker 3: I think we like Ryan Walters at decordinator. They made

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Speaker 2: Let's move on. Yeah, this team perhaps landed the biggest fish.

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Speaker 3: Uh, I'm gonna say, Quin, yours in Texas.

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Speaker 2: You gotta correct. My questions are a little bit easier

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Speaker 2: But we can't move forward without at least looking back

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Speaker 2: if it quite rises to your level of quote unquote

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Speaker 2: Texas was twenty ninth overall in sp plus on offense,

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Speaker 3: It's like you are giving a presentation to Steve Sarkisian's family.

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Speaker 2: You mostly okay? There's a lot to where There's a

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Speaker 2: We'll have company out wide. The issue with Texas was

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Speaker 3: They have to be better tackling, They have to see.

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Speaker 3: My issue with Texas is what is changing on the defense.

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Speaker 3: the recruiting class was gangbusters. It was top four, top

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Speaker 3: to speed with his like two high safety look on

436
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 3: that defense. But aside from effort, you need the talent.

437
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,959
Speaker 3: You need the guy. And I don't know how many

438
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 3: players of Texas just get drafted zero point all.

439
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 2: Wait, I'll wait, yeah, yeah.

440
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, So just the defensive talent that has come in

441
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 3: and out of this Texas program. Look, it's not Sark's fault.

442
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 3: This was sarks year one that they were not able

443
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 3: to develop pro talent over the course of years plural,

444
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 3: but it looked like all of the big additions came

445
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: on offense via the portal and if that helps them

446
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 3: to prevent whatever. That second half was against Oklahoma State,

447
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 3: which was I think Bjon Robinson scores on a longer

448
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 3: touchdown and then it was something like punt punt, punt, punt,

449
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: punt punt interception end of game and they choked away.

450
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 3: I think they were up at halftime, and so maybe

451
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 3: that helps. Maybe Quinn yours is gonna be more accurate,

452
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 3: and the short and mid part of the field whatever,

453
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 3: but medium part of the field. But man, the inconsistency,

454
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 3: the disappearance for six seven straight drives at times from

455
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 3: this offense last year like it was it is if

456
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 3: defensive coordinators in the Big Twelve, you know when you

457
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 3: scroll down a page and there's like the weird paid

458
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 3: advertisements that have nothing to do with the page, where

459
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 3: it's like this one trick can burn belly fat in

460
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 3: ten seconds and get you a six pack in two weeks.

461
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: This one trick helped defensive coordinators in the Big Twelve

462
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 3: completely silence Texas at halftime and beyond. It was very

463
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 3: strange to watch. So I don't know what changes on

464
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: this defense, and hopefully it's an influx of talent in

465
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 3: this this freshman class, but I think they're going to

466
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 3: be needing to still win a number of games forty

467
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 3: five thirty eight moving forward unless there is a complete

468
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 3: flip of a mindset from this defense.

469
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: I think we're going to see an offense that is

470
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: more consistent. Okay, I think we will have an offense

471
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: that is more consistent and that will help. But the

472
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball, yeah, to your point remains

473
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: I think a pretty big open question. Not again, we're

474
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: not doing the season preview here, but as you look back,

475
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: it's a pretty glaring weakness and it's not abundantly clear what.

476
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: They did to address it.

477
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: So we'll see. I don't know. I have faith in Sark,

478
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: I do. I've also made that comment before about other coaches.

479
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: So right, all right, moving on, This is the only

480
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: stadium in major college football. I should say this program

481
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: has the only stadium in major college football that lies

482
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: directly above a fault line.

483
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 3: A fault line. My only guests here, because I know

484
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 3: California has fault lines? Is San Jose State?

485
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: The answer is col Dan Memorial Stadium.

486
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 3: Okay, that would be another good answer.

487
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, Memorial Stadium is directly above a fault line.

488
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 3: Okay.

489
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 2: The Cal team is weird from last season. Five and seven,

490
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 2: lost a bunch of games, five to be exact, by

491
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: one score. And what surprises me most is that on paper,

492
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: the numbers don't look bad. I think to when you

493
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 2: and I were talking about Cal football last season, we rarely,

494
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: if ever had anything good to say about Cal football.

495
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,959
Speaker 2: There just wasn't a whole lot there, right, But on

496
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: paper there's a lot that looks good. Right. So I

497
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: look and I see a plus nine turnover margin. We

498
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 2: talk about these measures of effort, that's one of them,

499
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: and it's a pretty good. One plus nine was among

500
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: the best in college football in terms of rushing the football.

501
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 2: The efficiency numbers liked col nineteen hundred yards, seventeen touchdowns

502
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 2: between five guys, all very good numbers. They weren't good

503
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: in the red zone at all. Their defense was not

504
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: good against a run. Their pass rush was awful, but

505
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 2: in general their past defense was okay, So maybe they

506
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: were good in the back half of that defense. Yeah,

507
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 2: how do we gauge cal here dan Because as somebody

508
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: who was rumored to potentially have Justin Wilcox coaching his

509
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: favorite football team, I know this is a program that

510
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 2: you've paid some attention to, if only because you're a

511
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 2: Pac twelve fan or California native, or maybe you had

512
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: your eye on Justin Wilcox. Is what is up with

513
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: the Golden Beers.

514
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: They're a well coached team that doesn't have a consistent

515
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: or deep amount of talent at any position on the field.

516
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 3: Perhaps outside of dB. Justin Wilcox and the coaches he's

517
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 3: hired have been especially talented identifying and developing guys in

518
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 3: the secondary of these past few years, and so that

519
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 3: goes a pretty long way. If you're identifying NFL caliber

520
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: talent talent in the secondary. You can win games, and

521
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: you can hang around in games against better teams and

522
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 3: confuse quarterbacks and generate turnovers like you mentioned, but the

523
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: issue remains they I mean, I don't know if it's

524
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 3: a program thing. I don't know what it is if

525
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: it's an academic thing, but they have not been able

526
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: to recruit a quarterback in concert with an offensive coordinator

527
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: and receivers and an offensive line to scare teams downfield

528
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: in a long long time. I don't know if we're

529
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: going back to Deshaun Jackson and Marvin Jones. They had

530
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: the running back spell with Jeff Tedford. They've had decent

531
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 3: guys at running back these past few years, but the

532
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: talent on this team has been on defense and it's

533
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: been relatively thin. Was Evan Weaver who made one hundred

534
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: and ninety seven tackles in every game a few years ago.

535
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 3: But those are guys who pop that rise to the occasion,

536
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: that get developed. But this Coult team just I think

537
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: they're simply well coached enough to hang around with more

538
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 3: talented teams consistently, but don't have the depth and don't

539
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: have the firepower to finish and I don't know if

540
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: that is reflective of I'm almost positive Justin Wilcox won

541
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 3: like his first nine non conference games with Cal, and

542
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: then they lose last year to Nevada and TCU to

543
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: end that streak, and so they just it to me,

544
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: it's a firepower thing, it's a it's a depth thing,

545
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 3: and whatever you want to consider, you know, Cal in

546
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: terms of resources and on inability to bring in because

547
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: of academics or whatever reason, recruits to fill this out.

548
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 3: They were able to do it under Jeff Tedford develop

549
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: a good amount offensive talent on both sides of the ball.

550
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 3: So the game has changed, and Cal is going to

551
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 3: maximize what it has. I just don't know that it

552
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 3: has enough to compete for the PAC twelve North ever

553
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: under Justin Wilcox.

554
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you were sort of lukewarm on the potential

555
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: for Justin Wilcox a coach.

556
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 3: Organ it's a it's a talent acquisition and win it

557
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 3: all costs sport right now in twenty twenty two, and

558
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 3: that's not where Cal is as a program. I think

559
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 3: we had that one season where Chase Garber's got hurt

560
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: and what'd you say you were google for Garber's or

561
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: things like that.

562
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, for a little bit there.

563
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Cal should be a bowl team. I

564
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 3: think they're well coached enough that they're always going to

565
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: be able to maximize what they have. And I don't

566
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 3: know how many teams can in earnest say that, like

567
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 3: twenty every year, thirty five. But the margins are just

568
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: so much thinner because of the roster that they feel

569
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: and just the inability, like you know, a key player

570
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 3: goes down and there's just going to be a pronounced

571
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 3: drop off. And that's that's the reality of Cal football

572
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 3: under Justin Wilcox.

573
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: It seems Dan, this college football team plays in a

574
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: stadium named after an air conditioning company, but ironically is

575
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: not air conditioned. Oh it's no longer an air conditioning

576
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: It's no, the stadium is no longer was I should

577
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: say what? Yes, I don't know if it's also a

578
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: crypto or something or some like vague like logistics. It's

579
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: it's you're I think you're referring to the Carrier Dome.

580
00:31:58,760 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: I am.

581
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: I am referring to the Carrier Dome. Yeah, yeah, so

582
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: it is. It is being renamed JMA Wireless is going

583
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: to take over the naming rights of the dome. Okay,

584
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: so yeah, for a long time the Carrier Dome, right,

585
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: everyone knows Carrier Dome. If you got an air conditioning

586
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: unit outside, it might be a Carrier not air conditioned

587
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: the Carrier Dome, right, but was named after that brand.

588
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: Syracuse is another one of these teams that I find

589
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: fascinating on a number of different levels. You know, as

590
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: we talk about five and seven teams, and maybe you're

591
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: picking up on this trend if you're listening at home,

592
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: there are a number of schools here that were an

593
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: eyelash away from winning more games. Yeah, hence them going

594
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: five and seven, hence them going five and seven. They're

595
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: not good enough to win, bad enough to lose. They're

596
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: not horrible, but there were definitely some warts here that

597
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: need to be worked out going into the twenty two season.

598
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: Syracuse is one of those teams. There were nineteen points

599
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: away from going nine to three. Truly, they lost by

600
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: ten to Rutgers, bad loss early, lost by three to

601
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: Florida State, by three to Wake Forest, by three to Clemson.

602
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: So this is a school that had its opportunities terrible

603
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: as a passing team, but you may recall they had

604
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: Garrett Strader, they had Sean Tucker. They were actually quite

605
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: good at rushing the football. Between those two guys had

606
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: over twenty four hundred combined rushing yards and twenty six

607
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: touchdowns on the ground, so not bad. Not bad moving

608
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: the football on the ground, which is not exactly what

609
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: you think of when you think of a Dino Babers team.

610
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the almost air raid style, right.

611
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: That was sort of not where they had their success

612
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 2: this past season. The offense was not particularly good at

613
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: staying on the field. When they were on the field,

614
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: thirty four percent of the time they went three and out.

615
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: But when they weren't going three and out, they were

616
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: actually okay at running the football. They struggled pretty bad

617
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: at getting two opposing quarterbacks, which did not help their defense.

618
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: It was a very young defense, for whatever it's worth.

619
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: Hopefully that means better things as we go into this

620
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: coming season. Again, a lot of youth back there, very green.

621
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: It took them a while to work things out. You

622
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: could argue they never did. This is a team finished

623
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: all told fifty fourth nationally on the defensive side of

624
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: the football per the sp Plus. So the defense still

625
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: better than the offense, a lot of inconsistency across the board.

626
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: I'm hopeful that the youth movement, Yeah, we'll elevate Dino

627
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 2: Babers now as we get into the twenty two season,

628
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: but I'm not crazy optimistic about that. How do you feel,

629
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: well they got after the quarterback last year?

630
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 3: Right? On defense? Didn't they finish something like ninth and

631
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 3: sack rate like that was a strength of the Tony

632
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 3: White defense, Like that's what kept them in games, the

633
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: ability to get after quarterbacks. So look, you're touched on

634
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: everything that's correct, And the big thing to me is

635
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: Syracuse has just been cycling in and out of coach

636
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: so often. Assistance whether you know Sterling Gilbert recently on

637
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 3: the offense. Now it's Robert and I who comes over

638
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: from Virginia and he of course, you know Bronco Mendenhall guy,

639
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 3: he was with him at BYU. And so to me,

640
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 3: it just seems like if Robert and I is as

641
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 3: good as he seemed with whatever Bryce Perkins and Brendan

642
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 3: Armstrong and you go back to what he was able

643
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 3: to do at BYU as well with you know, oh god,

644
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: I'm blaking on the quarterback's name was with the Saints.

645
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 3: Now who was in Collissam Hill, Taysom Mill excuse me? Yeah,

646
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: So that the reputation is there. What is Garrett Schrader's ceiling.

647
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: I don't know. He's seemed promising. Mississippi State transfers has

648
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 3: moments on the ground, probably more than through the air.

649
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: They lose a key receiver, and I think it's Todd

650
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: Harris to the portal. He moves to Rutgers. So I

651
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 3: guess we're going to talk about soon. But to me,

652
00:35:54,080 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: it's simply a matter of offensive competence and continued defense

653
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: of evolution because we watched I thought that Tony white

654
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: Hire was so shrewd and so savvy from Dino Babers

655
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, like, we need to do

656
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 3: something on defense to confuse if we're not going to

657
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: get the best talent in the country. And I think

658
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 3: they came through. We saw that a couple of years ago,

659
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 3: and we saw last year that this is a totally

660
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: fine defense and at times aggressive. So you're right, this

661
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: is a Syracuse team that is good enough to win

662
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 3: games against more talented teams and bad enough to lose

663
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 3: games against teams They shouldn't be losing too, And so

664
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: it's just an offensive question. It's just because Sean Tucker

665
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: was one of the better breakthrough players in college football

666
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 3: last year.

667
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:38,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was great.

668
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 3: He was really fact that he didn't leave Syracuse. I

669
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: think he actually toyed with the portal but decided to

670
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 3: stay was probably the biggest win of the off season

671
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: for Syracuse. I like the Robert and I higher So

672
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 3: it's sort of put up or shut up time for

673
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: Dino Babers that they're showing signs of life on both

674
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 3: sides of the ball. Got to go to a bowl game.

675
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: Got to go to a bowl game.

676
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 2: I think I'm with you. I also may have misspoke.

677
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: They were good at rushing, Yeah, that was the big

678
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 2: strength the passer. Where they struggled was keeping their own

679
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: quarterback up right. Yes, And that could be for a

680
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 2: variety of factors, right. That could be because of the offense,

681
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: that could be because he liked to get outside the pocket.

682
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 2: But in any case, the way that they measure these things,

683
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: the ability to defend against a pass rush, yeah, was

684
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: definitely a weak spot for the Orange.

685
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. And look, it's a pretty good offense to have

686
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: a bad offensive line in if you're getting rid of

687
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: the ball quick wit, if you're doing using the screen

688
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: game running the ball, well, they were better, you know,

689
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 3: obviously opening up lanes on the ground than protecting Garrett Schrader.

690
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: But yeah, you look at the offensive line in these

691
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: past two three years at times for Syracuse and it

692
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 3: was me, my buddy, Kevin, my cousin Andy, like just

693
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 3: just rough.

694
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on. Let's talk about this school, Dan,

695
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: this school only we went to a bowl game after

696
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: another better team with drew due to a COVID outbreak.

697
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it's.

698
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 3: The the signature university of the fine State of New Jersey.

699
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: Rutgers Scarlet Knights, the.

700
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,479
Speaker 2: Rutgers Scarlet Knights. Okay, we need to have a chat

701
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: about the Rutgers Scarlet Knights.

702
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 3: Okay.

703
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 2: Eighty eighth overall in the SP plus definitely could make

704
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: the case for a half team. One toh nine in

705
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: terms of offense, forty six in terms of defense. A

706
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 2: and M was that school that withdrew from the Gator Bowl,

707
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: and Rutgers, through a series of tiebreakers and weird NCAA

708
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: Catacombs was able to get the berth despite going five

709
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: and seven they lost I think by twenty eight or

710
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: at least twenty one to Wake Forest. In that game,

711
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 2: they were horrible at both creating and allowing big plays.

712
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 2: Just no spark at all from this Rutgers team on offense,

713
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 2: and they gave up too much on defense. Their offense

714
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 2: was so bad, correct, it was so bad this past season.

715
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 2: The defense, for its part, tried to hold its own

716
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: as best it could. Yeah, tried to give that offense

717
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: more of an opportunity. It just wasn't wasn't working. What

718
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: I find interesting about Rutgers, especially since we base so

719
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: much of what we do on the SP plus and

720
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 2: how Bill Connolly grades these teams out. He had Rutgers

721
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 2: preseason eighty third in the SP plus. They finished eighty eight.

722
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 2: So Rutgers was who we thought they were right to

723
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: quote Denny Green at the end of the season, are

724
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: you optimistic about this program?

725
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 3: This is the team? This is that. I referenced the

726
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 3: conversation we had about Fish like what is Rutgers going for?

727
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 3: What is Rutgers actually like? It was another year in

728
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 3: which it's they basically turned over like half their ro

729
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 3: I think it was like twenty guys gone in the

730
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 3: portal and a bunch more coming in and there's still

731
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 3: a number of questions at quarterback. And I think the

732
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: defense will continue to be good. Especially upfront. They were well,

733
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 3: they were decent against the run, right, that was like,

734
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 3: especially with how hard they hit the portal. You know,

735
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 3: that broadened guys from Michigan and Ohio State. They really did,

736
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 3: you know, tried their best to attract guys who eether

737
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: have connections to the northeast or from the northeast, whatever,

738
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 3: They're going to be all right on defense regularly. It's

739
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 3: a question of Shawn Gleeson, who was at Princeton, went

740
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 3: to Oklahoma State for a year that didn't work out,

741
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: comes back to New Jersey. Where is the creativity that

742
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 3: I was personally promised from shann g Leeson in this

743
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 3: Rutgers offense at Princeton, that fun Princeton offense. Yeah, football offense.

744
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,959
Speaker 3: They scored more than twenty points once in Big Ten play?

745
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: Is that what I'm saying here?

746
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: That is correct?

747
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 3: So that's just the baseline for Rutgers football to go

748
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 3: five and seven and not scoring more than twenty points

749
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 3: in Big Ten play other than the Indiana game. I

750
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 3: believe they just destroyed, demolished Indiana. That's impressive, I guess

751
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: in its own way to go five and seven doing

752
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: that and have the weird wins and near wins that

753
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 3: they did. But Rutgers is still a ways away. And

754
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 3: that offensive identity finding a quarterback who probably isn't great,

755
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: but like I don't know, throws twelve interceptions to five picks,

756
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 3: you know, seventeen to nine something like that, where they're

757
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 3: bringing something that's a little bit more to the table

758
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: than a second third string Nebraska transfer can bring. That

759
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 3: to me is like what is Rutgers going for? Where

760
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 3: is the Rutgers run? And they look they're not going

761
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 3: to be a bowl team more often than not, but

762
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: when they are a bowl team, it's because of defense

763
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 3: and blank the running game, you know, finding pass catchers

764
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 3: in the portal, you know, crazy special teams, trick play,

765
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 3: Like what is it that is going to generate six

766
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 3: or seven wins for Rutgers in two years in three years?

767
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 3: Still unclear?

768
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: Still murky, Yeah, they need kind of that gravitational player,

769
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: either at quarterback or running back, like back in the

770
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: day with ray Rice, remember like that was that was

771
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: what Schiano used to great effect to bubble that program up.

772
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: They just don't want the biggest players in the Big

773
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: East in the Big East, and for sure, the Big

774
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: ten East is a lot more difficult stage of the game.

775
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. I don't know who those players are, and

776
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: that's where I struggle with with Rutgers. That being said,

777
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: they're never going to get rid of Shiano. They're never

778
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: going to get rid of Shiano as long as he

779
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 2: has that team reasonably competent. Sure, I don't think there's

780
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: any impetus to get rid of him.

781
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 3: It would just be nice if Rutgers established their offense

782
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: or both sides of the ball, like, yes, we're gonna

783
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 3: have to hit the portal hard. Yes we're gonna have

784
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 3: to find players who didn't work out elsewhere, who were

785
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: like a four star kid from New Jersey. It didn't

786
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: work out at Florida State, didn't work out at Alabama,

787
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 3: come back home, whatever. Because New Jersey is a pretty

788
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 3: underrated state in terms of homegrown talent in the Northeast

789
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: has developed some really good guys have gone on to

790
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: be really good players. And so if Rutgers is that repository,

791
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 3: we just need to find a quarterback and offensive line coach,

792
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: we can overpay, Like what is it that we're going

793
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: for here? And I know it's hard to attract those guys.

794
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 3: It absolutely has given Rutgers recent history and the division

795
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: and the conference in which they play. But at least

796
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: like an ethos, right, just what's clear about what Rutgers

797
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 3: is attempting to do?

798
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: It would be helpful, all right, Dan, here's a bit

799
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: of deep trivia for you. Oh No, members from this

800
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: football team unexpectedly served for a brief moment in time

801
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: with the Honolulu Police Department.

802
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 3: Of the team players be referencing.

803
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: Correct, I will explain.

804
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: I promise I'm gonna say San Jose State because it's

805
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 3: West coast.

806
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: San Jose State is correct. So, Okay, this is a

807
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: bit of deep trivia. I read up on this one.

808
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 2: But San Jose State arrived to play Hawaii in a

809
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: series of postseason bowl games.

810
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: I think.

811
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: Back in nineteen forty one during the harbor attack. Okay,

812
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 2: they were stranded on the Hawaiian Islands for a bunch

813
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: of weeks and the local police department recruited some of

814
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: the players to help improve the island defenses against any reasonable,

815
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: any kind of amphibious assault that may be out there.

816
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: So they were recruited and they served with the Honolulu

817
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: Police Department for a brief moment in time. Not this

818
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: past year, mind you, but like eighty years prior.

819
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: For whatever that's worth.

820
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: San Jose State, let's talk about San Jose State Spartans

821
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. Yeah, eighty fifth nationally in terms of

822
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 2: the sp plus. Their best win was over Wyoming. Decent

823
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: enough teams, a Bowl team, right, yep, played well enough

824
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 2: to beat both San Diego State and Nevada to other

825
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: Bowl teams definitive half team qualities here. I do not

826
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: believe I am speaking out of turn when I say

827
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: that this was a team, like many of the others

828
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: we've described here, that had a decent enough defense that

829
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: was hanging on for dear life, trying to find a

830
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: way to give this offense a chance, and the offense

831
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: just didn't come through. They had two knicks running the

832
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: show in the form of Nick Starkele and Nick Nash,

833
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: and both of them kind of sucked at quarterback.

834
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't amazing.

835
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: It wasn't amazing. Their turnover margin was bad. They were

836
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 2: really bad when it came to converting red zone opportunities

837
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: into points. The offense from top to I'm just really

838
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: kind of stunk. The defense did everything it could. They

839
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: were good in the red zone, you know, they were well,

840
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 2: they weren't good on third downs, but they did everything

841
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: they could from a defensive unit standpoint to try and

842
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: keep this offense in it, and ultimately they were let down.

843
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, look, they won the Mountain West two

844
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 3: years ago. Like, we're not talking about a program that

845
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 3: currently seems like they're in disarray, but margins are thin.

846
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you want me to tell you, Like,

847
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 3: it seemed like Nick Starkle should have had a better year,

848
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 3: but they lose guys after the successful year, Brent Brennan

849
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 3: doesn't get the Arizona job, and Mountain West improves. It

850
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: wasn't as weird a season, of course, in twenty twenty one. Yeah,

851
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of San Jose Spartan thoughts

852
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 3: beyond I still think they're well coached and can go

853
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 3: to a bowl game, but it's just trickier. They're in

854
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 3: an advantageous part of the country in terms of getting

855
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 3: transferred from guys from Pac twelve schools from you know,

856
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 3: the homegrown talent that's overlooked sometimes because of size or

857
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 3: you know, circumstance, whatever. But this is not a place

858
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 3: that has traditionally fared super well in college football. So

859
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 3: I'm ready for a bounce back season for Brent Brennan

860
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: because I still think he can be the guy that

861
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: jumps into perhaps a bigger place with more advantages on

862
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 3: the West Coast footprint and succeed.

863
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: We both like him a lot.

864
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we both like him a while.

865
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: We've talked about him for years, So I'm with you, okay.

866
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 2: I believe this is the only of the remaining one two, three,

867
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,959
Speaker 2: four five schools had a player drafted in the first

868
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: round of the NFL Draft.

869
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 3: The remaining five schools that had a player drafted in

870
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 3: the first round.

871
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: So the remaining five schools are South Alabama, Troy, Florida State,

872
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: Florida Atlantic, and Charlotte.

873
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 3: It's got to be Florida State.

874
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: You are correct again, sir, Jermaine Johnson.

875
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 3: Oh. The transfer, yeah, transfer.

876
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: From Georgia right was a rotational player m transfer over

877
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: to Florida State. We made a little bit of a

878
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 2: to do about that in the preseason, Like, oh, Florida

879
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: State's getting backups from Georgia. Now, well, it's sort of

880
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: worked out because Jermaine Johnson was a first round draft

881
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: picked by the New York Jets.

882
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: That's had a hell of a draft, by the way.

883
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 3: Also, no shame in not cracking that rotation consistently at Georgia.

884
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 3: Showed out for Florida State and spearheaded no pun intended

885
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 3: the a rejuvenated defense.

886
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: This is a guy who made a good decision to

887
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: transfer to go and get playing time. He did take

888
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: that bet on himself and it worked out in a

889
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 2: big way, So good for him. This is a really

890
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: interesting character study, if you will, the Florida State football

891
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 2: program on so many different fronts. We have talked about

892
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,479
Speaker 2: the knowles a nauseum. They started out oh and four

893
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 2: last year, Yeah, a dramatic O and four. They lost

894
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: to Notre Dame. No shame in that Notre Dame was

895
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 2: a pretty good school last year. Then they lost to

896
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 2: Jacksonville State, which didn't not go over well at all.

897
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 2: No followed it up by losses to both Wake Forest

898
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: and Louisville. So lost the first four. Everyone's writing the

899
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: death certificate to the Florida State football program. Then they

900
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 2: pulled it together. Then they pulled it together, and if

901
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 2: not for a really close loss at the end of

902
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: the year against Florida, they would have been six and

903
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 2: six and they would have gone to a bowl instead

904
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: of the Gators.

905
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

906
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: They lost by three. I don't know what the identity

907
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 2: of this team is. Maybe you can help me figure

908
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 2: that out. I know that this offense was decidedly average,

909
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: and there were moments that I think were really encouraging

910
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: and plenty of other moments that were just annoyingly inconsistent.

911
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 3: Right.

912
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 2: The thing that we come back to time and again

913
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: Florida State is that offensive line. The offensive line struggled

914
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 2: to protect its passer. That has been a recurring theme.

915
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: It's not it makes passing hard.

916
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: It makes it hard. The defense, for whatever it's worth,

917
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: was thirty seventh nationally, all right, and a lot of

918
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: that had to do with Jermaine Johnson and what he

919
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: was able to do upfront.

920
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 3: But everybody just got better, talent, improved everything.

921
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, defense was okay, but this is an offense that

922
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 2: had really low success rates. This is an offense that

923
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: went three and out thirty five percent of the time,

924
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 2: which was one of the worst in college football. They

925
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 2: were I think in third and long more than most teams.

926
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: They just found a lot of I think the number

927
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: was eight point three yards on average per third down, right,

928
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 2: which I don't care who you are, You're not going

929
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 2: to succeed if you've got eight yards or more on

930
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: most of your third down opportunities. So just a lot

931
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: that went wrong on offense. I think in a perfect world,

932
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 2: the Mackenzie Milton thing would have worked out better. But

933
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 2: again they came back to Jordan Travis, who in his

934
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 2: own right had skills that Mackenzie Milton didn't have. Was

935
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 2: definitely more.

936
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 3: Mobile, physical capability.

937
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's something on this offense that remains off

938
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: and I don't know. I like Mike Norvelle, I just

939
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 2: don't have the confidence to say that he has solved

940
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: that or given me reason to believe that he will

941
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: solve that in the near future.

942
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,959
Speaker 3: All fair points. Jordan Travis missed. I know he missed

943
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 3: the NC State game. I think he missed something early

944
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 3: the Louisville game, Louisville or Wake. I think he missed

945
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 3: the Louisville game and shredded Wake sort of in a

946
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 3: losing effort, Or maybe he got hurt against Wake, So

947
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 3: Jordan Travis is the guy. Chubb a Purty's gone. He

948
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 3: goes to Nebraska and the guys behind Jordan Travis because

949
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 3: it's always been like it's Jordan Travis or James Blackman,

950
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 3: Jordan Travis or Mackenzie Milton. It's Jordan Travis's team, and

951
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 3: the best of Jordan Travis is tantalizing. Now he's been

952
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 3: playing behind the line, as you mentioned, a woe full line.

953
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: But they load up.

954
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 3: In the portal, right, bringing in a new running back

955
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 3: and Trey Benson from Oregon, Mikeah Pittman also from Oregon.

956
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: In the receiving corps. They did not have a receiver

957
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 3: who popped last year. They just you know, they brought

958
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 3: in the Kansas transfer Andrew Partsman, like nobody popped, and

959
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: you know a lot of that can be the offensive line.

960
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 3: But that ohe and four start, coupled with like even

961
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 3: some of the wins, like it was just such a

962
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 3: it is such a turbulent experience to be a Florida

963
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 3: State fan losing to a Florida team that had fully

964
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 3: given up on the season and fired their coach at

965
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 3: that moment, right, Boston sneaking by Boston College, giving away

966
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 3: the Clemson game, nearly losing the Miami game, but pulling

967
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 3: it out like this is a five and seven team

968
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 3: who was a gust of wind away from being two

969
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: and ten. Like it's I don't know what Florida State is.

970
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people like Alex Atkins, who

971
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 3: is ascended now to offensive coordinator, a I think a

972
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 3: well liked offensive line coach. It's been a talent issue,

973
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 3: probably a talent and bad luck issue for Florida State

974
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 3: thing at offensive line these past few years with their struggles.

975
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: But Kenny Dillingham's gone. He was a Mike Norvell guy.

976
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 3: He goes to Oregon. So now it's just a question

977
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 3: of is Florida State more than an all or nothing offense?

978
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 3: As their defense improves, right, they bring in one of

979
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 3: the better edge rushers in the portal and I think

980
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 3: it's Jared Verse. That his name from Albany. So what

981
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 3: is Florida State on offense? Can they solidify their offensive

982
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 3: line to passable? To look they're not great, but they

983
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 3: kind of have an idea. They're making play Like what

984
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 3: is the Florida State offense if it can get beyond

985
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 3: all or nothing is a receiver on this roster who

986
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 3: can pop and get open and keep safeties. Honest, the

987
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 3: you know, the rotation of running backs should be interesting.

988
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 3: They should be able to generate big plays and generate

989
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 3: third and shorts and things like that. But man, you

990
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 3: could tell me Floria Sekos eight and four. You can

991
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 3: tell me Floria Sacos three and nine this year, and

992
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 3: I'll just sort of shrug. I don't know.

993
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: The thing that I keep coming back to, Yeah, when

994
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 2: Mike Norvell was at Memphis, did they run this style offense?

995
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 3: Dan, Yeah, they had an interesting rushing attack at Memphis

996
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 3: if you remember like a lot of the pulling, like

997
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 3: they they were able to have a pretty consistent offense.

998
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 3: And you look at a lot of the coaches who

999
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 3: came out of the Memphis offensive footprint. They've gone on

1000
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 3: to succeed at a number of places.

1001
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 2: But man, I just felt like he was more comfortable

1002
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 2: with the system he was running at Memphis. Now, I

1003
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: say that he went twelve and one his final year.

1004
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 2: He went to a bowl game all four years he

1005
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: was there, So of course it's easy to say that

1006
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: in retrospect, but it's felt to me now since Mike

1007
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: Norvel got there all be it under weird circumstances in

1008
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: the COVID year of twenty twenty, it's felt like he

1009
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 2: has by default had to go with Jordan Travis. I

1010
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 2: don't mean that in a pejorative sense, even though it

1011
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: may come across that way. I feel like they've got

1012
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 2: to be able to do better than Jordan Travis at quarterback.

1013
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: I feel he limits them to some extent.

1014
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 3: No, I I kind of disagree. Yeah, I think I

1015
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 3: think Jordan Travis is I don't think he is going

1016
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 3: to be a killer downfield quarterback, but I think he

1017
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 3: brings enough to the table that he has been put

1018
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 3: in a position where who's the best guy who can

1019
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 3: run for his life behind this line? I agree Sordan Travis.

1020
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 3: I think two things can be true at once, totally.

1021
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 3: Two things can be true at once. The first is

1022
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 3: that the line sucks. We agree on that part. Yeah.

1023
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: Secondly, I think it has to be true that Florida

1024
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 2: State can do better at quarterback. It just may be,

1025
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 2: as you said, that this guy is better at running

1026
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 2: for his life better than anyone else at the roster

1027
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 2: at still playing quarterback and doing that. But Jordan I

1028
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 2: come back to the fact that, in the pit of

1029
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 2: my stomach I have felt all along this is a

1030
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: program im at Florida State that should be able to.

1031
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: Do better than this guy a quarterback.

1032
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 3: Look how many teams, So there's a weird So there's

1033
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 3: weird splits with Jordan Travis statistically and otherwise. Obviously he

1034
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 3: missed a couple key games that could have gone Florida

1035
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 3: State's way. Hypothetically they're still probably is an NC State anyway,

1036
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 3: but complete sixty percent of his passes, fifteen touchdowns to

1037
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 3: six picks, five point nine yards per attempt against man coverage,

1038
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 3: twelve point seven against zone. So I think, I mean, obviously,

1039
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 3: you you man up Florida State, and without giving Jordan

1040
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 3: Travis time, without having a receiver who can separate, it's

1041
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 3: gonna be pretty difficult. But I still think going into

1042
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 3: this season that Jordan Travis is one of the twenty

1043
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 3: two best quarterbacks in the nation.

1044
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, maybe I would feel differently if I

1045
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 2: had a better sense for what the identity was of

1046
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 2: this offense.

1047
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, if they run the ball behind

1048
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 3: this offensive line, things open up and play action, if

1049
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 3: you know. Micah Pittman or whoever works out at receiver,

1050
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 3: it's going to make him look better. If the offensive

1051
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 3: line gives him an extra half a second, it's gonna

1052
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 3: make him look better. I'm okay with Jordan Travis. I

1053
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 3: think he's fine.

1054
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 2: They don't.

1055
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 3: I mean, they don't have another guy, right unless you

1056
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 3: think a j Duffy is a true freshman, is ready.

1057
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 3: But like, they just don't. And so I'm good with it.

1058
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 3: I'm totally good with it. I think Florida State is

1059
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 3: heading in the right direction. I just think they're gonna be,

1060
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 3: you know, ebbs and flows and zigs and zags getting

1061
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 3: there all.

1062
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: Right, well right in sliverblegmail dot com.

1063
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: Let if don't you think of Jordan Travis. I don't know.

1064
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

1065
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I've never really warmed up to him,

1066
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 2: and maybe that's on me.

1067
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there were just expectations that seemed outsized

1068
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 3: for other guys that they couldn't live up to because

1069
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 3: of yeah, I guess the aptitude or the physical limitations.

1070
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 2: We got four teams left. I'm not doing trivia. We're

1071
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 2: just gonna go through these.

1072
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 3: Let's go through.

1073
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: Let's go through them quick. We don't need an hour

1074
00:57:58,480 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: and a half show.

1075
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 2: Let's talk about another team in Florida, the Owos of FAU.

1076
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1077
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: Best win was against all ninety first ranked UTEP.

1078
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1079
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 2: They were good at creating big plays and bad at

1080
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 2: stopping them, which is definitely a theme that you will

1081
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 2: get used to as we talk through these remaining four teams.

1082
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: Really bad at keeping their quarterback Nikosi Perry remember him,

1083
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: of course, bad at keeping him upright. They were almost

1084
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 2: even worse at getting to opposing quarterbacks. So not only

1085
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: could they not protect their own guy, they couldn't get

1086
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 2: to the other guy either. Ninety ninth in terms of offense,

1087
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 2: eighty fifth in terms of defense, ninety second overall in

1088
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 2: terms of the sp plays. This is not a good team.

1089
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. Weird staff. I don't know if

1090
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 3: you've taken a look at like what their their staff

1091
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 3: looks like and what it has looked like. Willie Taggert

1092
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 3: has been very big on reclamation projects. Yeah, so it

1093
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 3: was Mike Stoops last year. It's Todd Orlando in the

1094
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 3: geographically closest he's come to coaching near his namesake city

1095
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 3: of Orlando and focused like three hours away, but still

1096
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 3: not at all, noteworthy, not at all, But like Ed

1097
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 3: Warner from Michigan, Chad Lunsford of course, Georgia Southern head coach. Like,

1098
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 3: there's all sorts of guys you're like, oh yeah, that guy.

1099
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 3: There's a lot of oh yeah, that guys who haven't

1100
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 3: worked out other places for whatever reason that have. You know,

1101
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 3: Michael Johnson was at what Penn State and Oregon like

1102
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 3: all these places. So I don't know, Uh, FAU I

1103
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 3: think is going to continue to attract talent. Willy Taggart's

1104
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 3: a recruiter. It wasn't happening last year. You're absolutely right

1105
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 3: for the reasons. But the ceiling I think remains somewhat

1106
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 3: high though. I'm just never a fan of counting too

1107
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 3: much on guys like this on the coaching staff. And

1108
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 3: you know, FAU is in a pretty decent position in

1109
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 3: the way we talk about San Jose State, probably an

1110
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 3: even better position. Couple Willy Taggart's ability to recruit and

1111
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 3: the activity in the portal, and you know, South Florida

1112
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 3: is still going to be a desirable place for a

1113
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 3: lot of people, myself included Alex South Florida. FAU has

1114
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 3: a reasonably high ceiling if they can find the speed

1115
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 3: and you know, play with a specific vision. But yeah, man,

1116
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 3: if you can't play defense and look, you can under

1117
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 3: Mike stoops By by any stretch. Yeah, they can absolutely

1118
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 3: be a bowl team. They can absolutely be a bowl team,

1119
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 3: especially with coaching changes that will continue to pillage smaller conferences.

1120
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 3: Sure FAU can be a bowl team. And the state

1121
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 3: of the state of the owls is okay, not great,

1122
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 3: but okay, it's okay.

1123
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sorry about Charlotte per the sp plus. Charlotte's

1124
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 2: the worst remaining team here on our list. A feel

1125
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 2: good story, not long ago, a feel good story, not

1126
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 2: long ago. One fourteen in terms of sp plus in

1127
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one best win over ninetieth ranked Middle Tennessee.

1128
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 2: This was truly a half team, and you almost it's

1129
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 2: like a relative scale here because the offense wasn't that

1130
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 2: great either, but the defense was so bad that the

1131
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 2: offense had to do everything. Third worst defense in FBS

1132
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 2: won twenty seven bad dan literally every measure, every measure

1133
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 2: that you can find they were bad at doing. On defense,

1134
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 2: it looks like they tried to blitz to overcompensate, which

1135
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 2: didn't really work. But it is at least a creative thought.

1136
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 2: Here's what gets me seventy six on offense, which isn't great,

1137
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 2: but the numbers from a number standpoint surprisingly efficient on offense,

1138
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 2: especially as a passing unit. So there were things to

1139
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 2: like about this offense. It wasn't all bad. They weren't

1140
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 2: good at converting points. I'm sure if you looked at

1141
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 2: your points per drive metric, Charlotte was pretty low on

1142
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 2: that spectrum. But they did do some good things on offense.

1143
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 2: They weren't great in term turnover margin, right, but I

1144
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: guess that was the bright spot for this team, and

1145
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 2: Will Healey like certainly was not defense. They need to

1146
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 2: figure out a fix otherwise this thing is going to

1147
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 2: go south in a hurry.

1148
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, we feel good story when they won all those

1149
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 3: games two three years ago, now, I was a little

1150
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 3: bit surprised. Chris Reynolds wasn't a name that popped into

1151
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 3: the portal to bring up somebody's floor offensive.

1152
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 2: He was pretty good.

1153
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 3: He has been pretty good. He's a dual for guy.

1154
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 3: I think he's only like five ten, five to eleven

1155
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 3: something like that, so he is definitely shorter. I just

1156
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 3: I don't know that that was a name that was

1157
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 3: like a deep sleeper name. I was like, shuld Chris

1158
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 3: Reynolds go play quarterback for Syracuse. Do you, like, you know,

1159
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 3: make somebody better that has a better chance of going

1160
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 3: to a bowl game. Yeah, Charlotte. It's just such a

1161
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 3: mess on defense. And I again, I think Charlotte's a

1162
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 3: place I don't know their finances, I don't know their

1163
01:02:55,360 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 3: administrative structure, but another place geographically that you would think

1164
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 3: could take advantage of maybe an FCS player coming up

1165
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 3: from that region with so many top schools, a player

1166
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 3: from North Carolina, player from the Carolina's mid Atlantic somewhere

1167
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 3: who didn't work out somewhere bigger. I'm still like kind

1168
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 3: of bullish on Charlotte as a perennial Bowl program once

1169
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 3: they build up and for as long as will Heey

1170
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 3: is there. I guess.

1171
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 2: Two remaining teams on the list here are Troy and

1172
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 2: South Alabama. Interestingly enough, Troy's best win was over oh

1173
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 2: ninety eighth ranth South Alabama. Okay, but Troy's interesting on

1174
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 2: a couple fronts. They hung with Liberty, they hung with

1175
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 2: South Carolina, they hung with Coastal Carolina, mostly because of

1176
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 2: their defense. The offense is terrible.

1177
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 3: Which is weird because that's a flip from where they

1178
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 3: were with the total flip. Yep, it's a total flip,

1179
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 3: and that's one of the reasons why I find them interesting.

1180
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 2: But the offense was bad. One fourteenth nationally went three

1181
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 2: and out thirty eight percent of the time. Okay, just

1182
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 2: not good, no sir, not good if you're doing the

1183
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 2: math at home. But the number two pass rush nationally,

1184
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 2: so they were good against.

1185
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 3: This is what's fascinating. This is what five and seven

1186
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 3: teams are like. We don't do much well. We do

1187
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 3: some things horrifically bad, and some teams were just like

1188
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 3: randomly incredible.

1189
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 2: They have a that's how you go five and seven

1190
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 2: in a Liam Neeson way, a very specific set of skills.

1191
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: Yes, and here we are.

1192
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 2: They were really good at rushing the passer. Their defense

1193
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 2: was sixty sixth but if you compare that to the offense,

1194
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 2: it just was not enough. And they did hang with

1195
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 2: some teams again because of that defense. So Troy, as

1196
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 2: you said, a bit of a script flipping, if you will,

1197
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 2: with the offense being bad and the defense really being

1198
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 2: in charge. And then on the South Alabama side, I

1199
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 2: think of all the teams here, South Alabama was probably.

1200
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: The worst team.

1201
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna have.

1202
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 2: The numbers say their best win was over Bowling Green.

1203
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 2: Bowling Green also stink. They were one hundred and eleventh nationally.

1204
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 2: They did have a couple one score losses. So what

1205
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 2: I take from this is that South Alabama was a

1206
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 2: bad team that was able to hang in there against

1207
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 2: some of the better competition, notably Louisiana, notably Coastal Carolina,

1208
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 2: but ultimately they lose their last four. They profile as

1209
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 2: a team with a hard working defense and just no

1210
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 2: firepower or not enough firepower, let's say, on offense, Yeah,

1211
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 2: to get anything done. Jake Bentley played on this team,

1212
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 2: remember him, m hm completed seventy percent of his passes.

1213
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,959
Speaker 2: I think needed more than just Jake Bentley though, yep,

1214
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 2: needed more than him.

1215
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 3: So they beat Bowling Green South Alabama.

1216
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: That was their best win.

1217
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're talking about a transitive win over Minnesota, Sir,

1218
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 3: you're talking about a transitive win. Please do not just

1219
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 3: bypass and skim over that completely irrelevant fact.

1220
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 2: One score losses against Louisiana and Coastal Carolina, in addition

1221
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 2: to Texas State and Troy, So it very easily could

1222
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 2: have taken on a much different tenor for the Jaguars.

1223
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 2: J Yeah, just not efficient enough on offense outside of

1224
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 2: Jake Bentley.

1225
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 3: Okay, well, South Alabama is Look it's been a minute,

1226
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 3: but I don't really have a thing to say about South.

1227
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 3: I mean, they've been frisky. They have been frisky. And

1228
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 3: when you say they lose their last four or five

1229
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 3: of six four, look, you're gonna have to find those wins.

1230
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 3: There are always gonna be wins on the schedule because

1231
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,919
Speaker 3: there's just too much turnover in the sport for there

1232
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 3: not to be with any sort of continuity. So look,

1233
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 3: if they're a destination for a guy like Jake Bentley

1234
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 3: who doesn't work at at least two schools that I

1235
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 3: can think of, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. There

1236
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 3: were only Look, there are a finite number of placess

1237
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 3: more and more dudes, especially quarterbacks, enter the portal. Why

1238
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 3: not the Jacks? That's what I say.

1239
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 2: Never all right, Dan, as we move forward, here are

1240
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 2: the teams that we will talk about next month, in

1241
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 2: the month of June. If you believe it, well, so.

1242
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 3: What are we doing? Are we doing? Six and seven? Right,

1243
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 3: because I guess we have six wins to finish out

1244
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 3: the year. You're not six and six because you made

1245
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 3: a Bowl game, presumably.

1246
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 2: All right, So here are the teams that fall in. Well,

1247
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 2: we do have some teams that went six and six.

1248
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 2: A couple do we Memphis went six and six, Boston

1249
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 2: College went six and six. We have teams like Louisville

1250
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 2: that went six and seven. Virginia Tech went six and seven.

1251
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 3: We just talked about Virginia. We have to talk about

1252
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech again, double Tech.

1253
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 2: Oh my god, North Carolina Virginia went six and six. Yeah,

1254
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 2: West Virginia great, six and seven. Who else do we

1255
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 2: got here?

1256
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 3: The axis of mediocrity Old dominion.

1257
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, these are some heavy hitters that we got coming up.

1258
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 2: Love it, love it ball state. Let's talk some ball state.

1259
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: Why not.

1260
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 3: Let's come up with a very specific game for this

1261
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,959
Speaker 3: commation about five hundred ish teams. The six and six

1262
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 3: is and six and.

1263
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 2: Florida you talk about Florida, MISSOI, Auburn, LSU.

1264
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: Oh, we got some heavy hitters here.

1265
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 2: All right.

1266
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, we will come up with the sandwich of episodes.

1267
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll find a way that'll be coming up next month. Uh,

1268
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 2: don't forget. We do two public episodes every week from

1269
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 2: now through end of July. Let's say when we start

1270
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 2: doing Team Previous for the twenty twenty two college football season,

1271
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 2: started playing that out. By the way, I need to

1272
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 2: talk to you about that, right, I think we got

1273
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 2: our schedule. But another couple weeks here of doing two

1274
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 2: a week, you can always go on out to verballers

1275
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 2: dot com and access that third exclusive bonus episode that

1276
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 2: we do called the Brew and A can also access

1277
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 2: the video episodes that we put out there after we

1278
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 2: get done recording. You can also access all of our

1279
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 2: shows a little bit early via the Verballer Early Access

1280
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 2: that we offer as part of being Averballer at Patreon.

1281
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 2: Do troupe slash solid verbal.

1282
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 3: On that note, ty, I am not saying. In fact,

1283
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 3: I am full on telling you not to tell the

1284
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 3: story of your personally disastrous Mother's Day. I say, you

1285
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 3: do not do that.

1286
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:14,719
Speaker 1: I won't. I won't.

1287
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 3: But because you mentioned verballers dot com, I think there

1288
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 3: is a threshold, there is a number that if we

1289
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 3: reach it. The fact that you are here today, oh no,

1290
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 3: to talk about the South Alabama Jaguars and the Florida

1291
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 3: State seminoles and the cow golden bears and so forth

1292
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 3: and so forth is a minor miracle. So you had

1293
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 3: a personally disastrous mother's day yesterday. That, do not tell

1294
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 3: the story.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to.

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Speaker 3: Don't make physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually unforeseen disaster. Yeah, do

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Speaker 3: not tell the story. I won't come up with a

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Speaker 3: number that if we reach that number on Patreon.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know what that number is. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: it's twenty five hundred, don't if it's four thousand, almost

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Speaker 3: three thousand, I don't know what it is. But just

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Speaker 3: tell me there is go. Everybody has a price, everybody

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Speaker 3: has a number. But if we reach that number, you

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Speaker 3: will in I hesitate to say detail, tell the story

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Speaker 3: of your personally disastrous twenty twenty two mother's day.

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Speaker 1: Man, it was one thing with the mysterious day job.

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Speaker 2: I know. This is why.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I can tell the story publicly.

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Speaker 3: I don't not publicly. This will only occur I know,

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Speaker 3: I know, but it's your public I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know if I if I've got the heart to

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Speaker 2: tell this story. It's very personally embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: But just think on that number. That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Think on that number.

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Speaker 2: If we if we get to four thousand, Okay, we

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Speaker 2: get to four thousand patrons, I'll think about it.

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Speaker 3: If we get to four thousand patrons on verbalers dot Com,

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Speaker 3: you will think about it. Yeah, and upon hearing the story, buddy,

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Speaker 3: are we gonna dip? But you'll you'll have the ability

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Speaker 3: to make that decision for yourself when we get four thousand.

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Speaker 3: But that number will do yeah.

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Speaker 2: Or it needs to be timeboxed too. It can't be

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Speaker 2: four thousand in December, like if we get to four

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Speaker 2: thousand by end of August.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it has to be this year.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I was not.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about this year. I was gonna say

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Speaker 3: at any point four thousand, it's worth it. At every

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Speaker 3: point it's five thousand. But so I'll couch it with

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Speaker 3: this too. I will turn that into a production experience myself,

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Speaker 3: which I think will make it more enjoyable to listen

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Speaker 3: to than just the plain language that you bring to

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Speaker 3: the table.

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Speaker 2: I can because if it were just plant, imagine how

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Speaker 2: you would do that.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: I was up late night scribbling on the whiteboard the

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Speaker 3: personally Disasters twenty twenty two Mother's Day has nothing to

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Speaker 3: do with the fact that it was Mother's Day, but

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Speaker 3: it just so happened. And to fall physically, spiritually, emotionally

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Speaker 3: a nightmare of a day for you that we can

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Speaker 3: record this next day after it's just to me. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: a miracle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I just want to let that hang over. Thank you

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Speaker 3: the people that listen, the very attractive, handsome, beautiful people

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Speaker 3: that listen to this show.

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Speaker 2: We are nothing if not word smyths as it relates

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Speaker 2: to leveraging unique content situations.

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Speaker 3: So, and I'll tell you this, We're gonna be doing

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Speaker 3: live shows moving forward. We'll be doing live and we

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Speaker 3: have to do it.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be asked about this at every show

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Speaker 2: we do.

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Speaker 3: And you're gonna be asked about it, and you're gonna say, guys,

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Speaker 3: I love you, but I'm gonna have to decline this

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Speaker 3: get your friends to sign up to you. Guys. I

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Speaker 3: love that, I love that you're interested. I love that

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Speaker 3: you take interest in the personally disaster twenty twenty two

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Speaker 3: Mothers Day for tild but I'm gonna have to decline

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Speaker 3: at this time until we get.

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Speaker 2: To Maybe I should set that number high. I really

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Speaker 2: don't want to tell the story.

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Speaker 3: But if you were able to tell the story with

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Speaker 3: layers of production.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that would make it better.

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Speaker 3: I think it definitely would A one in a million

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Speaker 3: personally disastrous twenty twenty two Mothers.

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Speaker 1: It was uniquely disastrous.

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Speaker 3: See the least Okay, wait, all right, well on that content, Tie,

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Speaker 3: It's all content.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: This is what we do now for Bowlers. Dot Com

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Speaker 2: check out all of our old episodes on the website. Again,

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Speaker 2: don't forget the hit subscribe. If you've made it the

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Speaker 1: We will be back on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, this up. Peace