WEBVTT - Selects: History's Greatest Traitors 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.440 Hello, everybody, it's Josh and for this week's Select, I've 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:08.320 chosen our twenty thirteen episode on History's Greatest Traders. Turns 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:11.399 out history is rife with treacherous people, and if there's 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.240 any lesson to learn from this episode, it's be careful 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:17.640 who you cross, because once your name is associated with treachery, 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.599 it turns out that that stays pretty sticky. It's tough 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:21.200 to get rid of. 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:33.120 Enjoy Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:38.920 Hey, and welcome to the podcast on Josh Clark. There's 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:45.920 Charles w Chuck Bryant. So, Chuck, Yeah, I have a 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:46.559 story for you. 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:50.640 All right, let's hear it. Come back with me, wayback machine. 0:00:51.760 --> 0:01:05.240 Sure, okay, A couple hours ago. 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:09.039 Yeah, so here we are. It's December twenty second, nineteen 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.440 seventy two. Oh yeah, something really bad is about to happen. 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:13.680 It sit down in front of this TV. 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:14.319 Okay. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:19.000 Our good friend and hero, Peter Brady is trying out 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.399 for the school play. Yeah, it's a story of the 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.920 American Revolution. I remember that he tries out for George Washington, 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:27.640 but he doesn't get it. And in fact, the name 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:29.760 of this episode that we're sitting here watching on this 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:34.520 nice brown and orange shag carpeting is called Everybody Can't 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.920 Be George Washington. Peter doesn't get the part of George Washington, 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.240 but he does get another very important part, the part 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:45.160 of Benedict Arnold. Well, at first he's like, hey, it's 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.920 a part, it's a speaking part. I'm pretty happy. I'm 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:48.760 going to do my best. 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:50.880 I was a tree in my last six plays, right, 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:51.240 This is. 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:56.640 A huge step up for him, until his classmates point 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.000 out that Benedict Donald was a trader, and since Peter's 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:03.240 playing a trader, he must be some sort of trader too. 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.360 So basically the whole school turns on him because he's 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:07.760 playing Benedict. 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.120 Donald, which is really kind of silly. 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.480 It is very silly. And of course Peter tries to 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:18.120 get out of the play again and again, yeah, affecting laryngitis, 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:21.600 pretending he has a limp all of this stuff, saying 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:22.640 he forgets his lines. 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:24.160 Yeah, I think I remember that. 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:27.519 And finally successful, and then his dad points out that 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:31.000 he has turned into a trader. Now Peter against the 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:32.360 whole cast. 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:34.400 Don't tell me. He had a lesson for him, and 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:35.760 he sat him down and had a talking to. 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:37.840 It was a good one. Yeah, it was a good one. 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:41.320 And so Peter goes in and plays Benedict Donald and 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:42.120 knocks it out of. 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:43.919 The park and learned a lesson in the process. 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:48.959 But the whole premise of this episode of Brady Bunch 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:52.880 is that Peter was suffering from a smear campaign started 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.600 two hundred years before by George Washington, and it was 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.480 so successful that even today, you can get a rise 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.000 out of some by calling them Benedict Donald if they've 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:03.720 done something traitorous. 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.200 Yeah, and we've learned there are quite a few synonyms 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:10.160 with trader that were in fact notorious traders, Like if 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:14.480 you call someone a Judas or a Benedict Donald or 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.639 what quisling? Yeah, that might be popular in some parts 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:18.000 of the world. 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.400 Right, this is the USA. Sure, so we call people 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:22.359 Benedict Donald's. 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:22.760 That's right. 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.600 Well, let's talk about this. Let's talk about Benedict Donald 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:28.079 to start. 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:29.960 Okay, Well, you know, first of all, we should point 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:34.480 out that this is a curated show from our buddy 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:35.320 Sam t Garden. 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:37.000 This is the Summer of Sam. 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.840 Then, yeah, we're continuing into our second Summer of Sam. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.240 And for those of you that don't know. Sam is 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:45.680 a local fan of ours and a good kid, and 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:47.520 he's actually on our TV show. 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:49.920 He was in an episode, the Make It Rain episode. 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.280 Yeah, is one of our softball teammates. And Sam's a 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:55.160 good guy and he sends in great ideas, so we 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:59.400 like to highlight them when we do them. 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.160 Yeah, all right, so summer Sam, Hey, Sam, hope you're 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:06.240 doing well. Buddy. Were talking about bened mac donald and 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.160 why there was such a smear campaign against him, and 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:13.320 it turns out rightfully so, although possibly I think a 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.159 lot of Arnold's side of the story has been lost 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:16.760 to history. 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:20.120 Well. Yeah, and coincidentally or not coincidentally, some of these 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.800 traders that we're going to mention today, history is born 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:25.960 out that they may not have been traders. Yeah, but 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:27.240 been an Donald definitely was. 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:31.080 So he was a document and trader. Yeah, as traitorous 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.520 and treasonous as you can get, as far as in 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:35.560 the context of war. 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.840 Yeah. So early on in life things started out pretty well. 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:43.599 He was born into some wealth, but his family, specifically 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:47.000 his father, squandered their fortune with some bad business dealings. 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:48.280 Apparently he was quite a drinker. 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:49.880 Oh, you turned into the town drunk. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:51.480 Yeah, well that'll do it. 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.159 They lost their family estate. 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:57.159 Yeah, they lost their dough. Three of his sisters are sorry, 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.840 siblings died from yellow fever. He had to drop out 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:00.440 of school. 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:02.120 He became an apothecary. 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.600 Yeah, so things weren't like Rosie for the guy, although 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:07.839 he did quite well later on in the military. 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.080 Well, he did quite well even before that as a merchant. 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.320 And actually, by the age of twenty two, was able 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:16.080 to buy back his family's estate. Oh really, which he 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:17.720 then turned around and sold it a profit. 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:19.600 Well, good for him. 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:22.680 So I guess he wasn't the sentimental type flipped this estate. Yeah. 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.359 I think it wasn't that he wanted his family's to 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.080 state back. He just didn't want to lose out on 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:29.839 the potential profit from it, I guess. 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:31.680 Yeah. And he seemed like he may have been like 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.040 add before there was add. 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:35.080 Yeah. 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.200 Yeah, from the sounds of reading his thing, I was 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.159 just like, man, this kid had add. He was always 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.200 in trouble. He's getting kicked out of school. Yeah, but 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.520 it was just because he was like busy. 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:46.320 Yeah. 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.159 He wasn't like a bad kid, it seemed like, but 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:49.920 he was just always had something going on. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.800 He finally, I guess found his niche and he did 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:58.160 become quite a businessman and fabulously wealthy, but he wasn't 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.880 wealthy enough in his opinion, and in fact joined the 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:05.760 Sons of Liberty, the revolutionary group in New England, because 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.640 he was mad that his riches were being taxed by England. 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:13.440 Yeah, he liked the dough, he did, and he did 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:18.160 have a pretty remarkable military career in Jefferson and Washington 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.279 were big supporters of him for a while. 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.800 Yeah, but he also suffered. Apparently there are a lot 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.479 of petty jealousies that they don't talk about among the 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.960 founding fathers and the second and third echelons of all 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:34.240 these guys, and apparently Benedict Donald frequently suffered. 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:36.640 Yes, he was slighted a lot, a lot. 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:38.760 Yeah, he missed out on honors and stuff like that. 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:41.159 And he doesn't seem like the type to let things go, 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.920 nor was he the type to air his his feelings, 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:48.240 so he just kind of sat there and stewed, right. 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:50.360 Yeah, I saw most of the times he was slighted. 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:53.600 He fought really hard to get either reassigned or reappointed 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.560 to the position he was going for. And so you're right, 0:06:56.560 --> 0:07:00.280 he couldn't let it go. He needed therapy. But instead 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:04.840 he was appointed to run West Point, not the military academy, 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.280 the four right, Yeah, this is pre I guess they 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:08.520 probably named it after that though, didn't they. 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:10.880 I think it turned into the military Academy. Okay, but 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:12.880 I think this was before it was an academy. 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:16.600 Yeah, it was definitely. Yeah, and so he, you know, 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:20.320 went Benedict Arnald on everyone, and little did he know 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.880 he was being a Benedict Arnald. But he sold secrets 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:30.240 to the British, like plans, war secrets, armament locations for 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.360 about three million bucks. I think it was ten thousand 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:33.240 pounds at the time. 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:39.280 Yeah, so he he The reason he did this, ostensibly 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.160 was a because he'd been slighted. 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:41.800 Yeah. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.080 But also, and this is what it's been lost to history, 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:48.360 is that he he came to believe that the revolution 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:52.040 had lost steam, that the people running the show didn't 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.120 really know what they were doing and probably wouldn't form 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.760 a very good post revolutionary government if successful. 0:07:57.880 --> 0:07:59.600 So did he genuinely think the Brits were going to 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:00.400 do a better job. 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.119 Supposedly that's what historians say, but again he didn't really. 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:06.400 He may have been the type to just kind of 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.240 say that's what he was right thinking too, and then 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.960 somebody wrote down at some point, but he ultimately said this, 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.000 the colonies are better back in the hands of England again. 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:17.400 Gotcha. 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.080 So not only am I going to try to sell 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:23.360 the map to West Point, I'm going to join the 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.920 British Army, which he did, Yeah, and led at least 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:31.840 two raids against American revolutionary forces. So he really switched sides. 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:35.280 Oh yeah, yeah in seventeen eighty. I can't believe whoever 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.800 wrote this article put that. When the plot was intercepted, 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.439 he went from he wrote a zero. 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.440 I know, I know. 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:45.240 I was all of a sudden, I was in like 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:46.640 in the US magazine Ers or. 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:47.600 Like a Springer show. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:51.319 Yeah, that's weird, but that's what happened. He was convicted 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:56.400 of treason and his name was erased from the record books, 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.480 and England promised him. They're like, hey, if you defect 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.480 over here, we're going to give you land in Canada. Yeah, 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.760 we're not going to give you land here. We'll give 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:06.760 you land in Canada some money, and we'll promise your 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.559 family pensions and you're going to be a British provincial 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:13.240 brigadier general, and he's like, that sounds pretty great. But 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:17.480 as it turned out, he didn't get that many great 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.760 assignments in the military. In England, he was even sort 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.959 of I don't think anyone likes a trader. No, that's England. 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.600 They're like, yeah, yeah, that comes up again and again, 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:31.120 like yeah, even the side that you're trying to or whatever. 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.000 They yeah, they're like, you're a trader. 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.480 Well, I think it's because basically you're just a big liar. 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:38.199 Yeah, and you're treacherous. 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:39.599 Yeah, and so people are like, how can I go 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:41.640 to trust you? Thanks for doing that, but can you 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:42.480 go live in Canada? 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:44.640 But it does pop up again and again. Anybody who's 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:48.600 ever turned trader and expected some sort of glory has 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:49.840 been sorely disappointed. 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.280 Yeah. So in England he was sort of poo pooed. 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.960 Then he moved to Canada they didn't like him. Yeah, 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.360 and then he moved back to England and died there 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.480 without ever like making a whole lot of money or 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.760 getting any important military action. Right, So sort of a 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:04.080 sad ending. 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.760 It really is. And today if you go to West Point, 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:10.559 there's I guess twelve plaques of some of like the 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:15.320 head revolutionary generals, and his name is literally wiped from 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.440 the record. It has the year of his birth and 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:22.319 I think the town of his birth. Well, his name 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:26.200 is not on the plaque any longer, just says is 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.200 this smeared or there's a sharpie through it? 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:32.440 Right? All right, So that's been an arnold. 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:36.000 Let's go a little further back. Okay, let's go way back. 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:42.280 I'm talking like maybe forty four BC. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:53.240 Cassius and Brutus. Yeah, Marcus Junius Brutus the younger. 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:55.400 I'm glad. Do you look that up? 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:57.679 Yeah, I'm sure he had a fuller name. 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.920 Yeah, Brutus. It's like it's like a whole country of 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:02.800 share or something. 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:05.440 And here's the thing with these guys. They were definitely 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:09.760 traders as well, but they're also singled out clearly. They 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.360 killed Caesar we all know in the IDEs of March, 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:16.840 which is Caesar the Senator and dfl dictator for life, 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:20.920 which self declared. But they are like sixty dudes that 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:21.720 took part in this. 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:26.160 Yeah, and Caesar was self declared Caesar for a civil 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:32.200 war one informed a triumvirate with the people that he vanquished. Yeah, 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:38.120 so he wasn't entirely dictatorial, although as like popular opinion 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.440 started to swell around him, He's like, maybe I will 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.559 just be leader for life. Let's save all those voting 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:46.640 days and I'll just be leader for the rest of 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:52.200 the time. I'm alive. And Cassius and Brutus had both 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.560 fought against Caesar in the civil war yea. And despite that, 0:11:56.080 --> 0:12:01.160 Caesar pardoned both of them and gave them positions of 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.320 power in his new government. 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:04.360 And brand new knives. 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:08.600 And they said, and they said, still not enough. Well, 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.760 Cassius especially apparently he was very envious of Caesar and 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.160 his power. He was the rebel rouser, and that that 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:18.200 was ultimately his motive, although he used the concept of 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.880 the Republic of Rome turning into a dictatorship to lead 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.680 the assassination against Caesar. 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.400 Yeah, and even cooked up evidence and like letters of 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.920 support to show Brutus, because Brutus was much friendlier with Caesar. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:35.840 There were buds, but he was swayed by Cassius and said, 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:37.959 you know what, this is going to be good for 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.560 our country or our kingdom or whatever they were calling 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:45.000 at the time, and took part. But they weren't like that. 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.360 The lead I mean, maybe they cooked it up, but 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.000 they weren't the initial aggressors. 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.240 I thought Brutus was the first one to stab Caesar. 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:59.040 No, this dude, Tillius Simber came out and like pulled 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.760 down his tunic first of all, did he really? Yeah, 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:04.600 I guess he said pulled it down, But I don't 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.520 know what that means. If he I imagined he was 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.160 pulling it hockey either pants him or no. Tunic's like 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:12.200 a shirt thing, so I thought he pulled it over 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:13.880 his head like a hockey player might in a fight. 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:15.160 It's like reverse pants. 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.000 It reverse pants him, And Caesar was like, you know, 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:23.920 what is this violence going on? And then another dude, Kaska, 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:27.160 he came at him with a knife, and Caesar blocked 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:32.000 him away and defended himself and was like, basically, what's 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.760 going on here? And then that's when everyone, like sixty 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.960 guys descended upon him. Wow, among you know, Brutus might 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:39.679 have been the lead of that pack. 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.560 Though, yeah, okay, okay, Well. 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.200 He stabbed the crap out of him, So I knew. 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.000 I thought Brutus was the first one to stab him. 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:48.959 I knew that some other guy was the first one 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:50.440 to strike him, and it may have been the guy 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.440 who reverse pants to him till he yeah, you, me 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.880 and I were at Pompei who actually walked around Pompeii 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.120 And there's a table there and it belonged to that guy. 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:02.480 Oh really, And I guess somebody in Pompeii like bought 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.840 the table of the first guy to strike Caesar and 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.600 like had it in their via and it's still there today. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:08.880 And did you eat at it? 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.559 No, we stared at it. Oh okay, we looked at 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.559 it from like three meters away. 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:14.520 Oh gotcha. 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.760 You have to say meters because in Italy that's obnoxious. 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:20.920 And apparently only one of the stabs. He was stabbed 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.240 twenty three times, and like continued to be stabbed even 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.080 after he was on the floor dead, but only one 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:30.280 of them was a fatal blow. He was a like 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.760 the second stab I think went through his heart, and 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.480 the rest were just you know, but before they felt injury. 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.040 When Brutus stabbed him, yeah, Caesar very famously said a 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:44.240 two brute yeah, which literally means and you brutus or 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:46.480 what the hell brutus? 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.360 Yeah, you too, And supposedly he kind of gave up 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.240 at that point, like it killed a spirit when he 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.960 saw Brutus was involved. Yeah, but I don't. Yeah. 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:58.920 Supposedly he didn't want to live in a brutistless world, 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:04.200 in a world where even Brutus could assassinate him, so 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.560 he resigned himself to dying and hence became a hero. 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:09.520 It's very sad. It was on my birthday? 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:15.960 Your birth is it the fifteenth? Fifteenth too? But not 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:16.520 of March? 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:20.680 That's right? Uh so? Oh? Also too, apparently that was 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:25.520 the first autopsy report. Oh really, first post mortem death 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.560 report was made on Caesar Greeks man. 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.640 If that's true, I've heard the Romans. Whoops. Whatever, I'm 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:32.880 really glad I caught that one. 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:40.160 Yeah, to lead to their email. Anything else I want 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:42.400 on these two traders? 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:51.040 No? Oh yes, Dante had a special hatred for Brutus 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:55.240 and Cassius, and in his Inferno he says that they 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:59.880 are being perpetually eaten by two of Lucifer's three mouths. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:00.560 Wow. 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.160 And the third mouth is reserved for the next guy. 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.680 We'll talk about, a little guy named Judas as Carrie. 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:08.760 Oh really, yeah, Satan's third mouth. 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:13.440 So Lucifer's three mouths are eating Cassius, Brutus and Judas. 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:18.360 Wow. All right. Judas is one of these that recent 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:22.480 evidence has emerged where he may not have been such 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.280 a trader, but we'll get into that. But then that 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:30.920 was refuted as well. Everyone obviously knows the Judas kiss 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:37.120 very famously. Judas betrayed Jesus. He was one of the disciples. 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.520 He betrayed Jesus with a kiss. Yeah, and it was 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.440 actually a signal to the guards to come and grab him. 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:43.840 I guess he was identifying him. 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:49.200 Yeah, apparently the Romans didn't know who this Jesus was, Yeah, 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.160 at least by sight. And Judas went and said, hey, 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:53.880 you guys want this Jesus, what do you give me? 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:56.760 And the signal was like, well, you kissed the guy 0:16:57.640 --> 0:16:59.320 that's Jesus, and we'll come get him. 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:00.680 And we'll give you thirty pieces of silver. 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:04.040 Thirty pieces of silver. I mean, the west Egg inflation 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:08.320 calculator doesn't go back to you know that date, but 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:12.119 I can imagine it's still probably wasn't that much thirty 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:12.920 pieces of silver. 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:14.200 I have no idea. 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.399 Well, apparently it was used later on to buy a 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:21.840 field to turn into a potter's field to bury unclaimed 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.680 dead Oh really, but I mean it's field, how much. 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:26.240 It couldn't have been that. 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.000 Much, Like how much was land going for back then 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:29.680 in the Middle East? 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:30.600 They had tons of land. 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:37.520 Okay, So Judas betrays Jesus. He was we didn't know 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.400 much about his life at the time, but recently there 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.960 has been I think in two thousand one of the Gospel, 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:49.760 a new gospel was revealed, the Gospel of Judas. 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.320 Yeah, colon my story. 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:54.920 My side of things. 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:55.200 Yeah. 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:59.359 And it was a of course, a papyrus document dating 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.560 to the second century a d. And it was written 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.320 about in a book called the Lost Gospel, and it 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:10.399 portrays this Judas as more of a facilitator of what 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:14.600 Jesus wanted. Basically, Jesus is like, hey, turn me in 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:18.760 because this is my destiny. Yeah, Like sacrifice yourself. I 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:22.159 sacrifice myself and we all go on to live in 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:24.040 heaven and you know, fulfill our destinies. 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.240 Yeah, which a lot of people are like, Okay, I 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.440 kind of like this different view of Judas, you know, 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.760 and it makes Jesus even more prescient than he appears 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.679 in the Bible, sure, because you know, he's betrayed by 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:39.800 someone he thought was his friend, and this he is 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:44.480 commanding Judas he's asking him to do this. So it's 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.560 just an all around like great view of the story 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:52.320 when when, But unfortunately, apparently there's some problems that a 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:57.480 lot of scholars, Gnostic scholars have with the translation, and 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.440 that if you just tweak a few things to the 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:04.080 way that the Gnostic scholars think it should be translated, yeah, 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.359 that all just goes right out the window. And actually 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.840 Judas is not only a horrible treacherous traitor, he's actually 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:14.840 a demon from the thirteenth level of being. 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:19.119 Yeah, so quite two different stories. Yeah, all by changing 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.720 a few words in this Coptic text, which isn't the 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.960 easiest stuff to translate. Like it's tough, you know, it's 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:28.800 not like and even the person that poo pooed the 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:32.160 original translation was like, this is a very hard job. 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:32.359 You know. 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.040 I'm not saying they necessarily did it on purpose, but 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:38.920 that's not what I think it says, right, And so, 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:42.800 and that was April Deconic, a professor of Biblical studies 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:46.080 at Rice University. And I don't know did other people 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:47.760 come out and support that. I can really find much. 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:50.040 I don't know. 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:54.000 And apparently actually in the Bible it's hinted at that 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.280 Jesus could have known about it, but. 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:59.680 Well doesn't he say like one of you will betray me? 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:01.399 At least? Yeah, he definitely said that. 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:04.800 The Last Temptation of Christ. Yeah, who Harvey kai Tell 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:06.679 does a pretty good Jesus or Judas. 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:08.800 Yeah, yeah, you know will in Dafoe. 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:12.520 Yeah that was that was a good movie. But yeah, 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:15.680 that was how I when I like anything I'd ever heard, 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:18.760 I always thought like Jesus knew it was just never 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:22.919 as explicit as this Gospel of Judas put it. 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.399 Right and then Gospel of Judas. I even claim that 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.639