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Speaker 2: This is the Action Network NFL podcast. I am your host,

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Speaker 2: Chris Raybond. This is our early win Total episodes. My

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Speaker 3: What's going on, man, haven't talked to you in a few.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just some nice rest and relaxation after college basketball.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of my slow time of the year, so

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Speaker 3: Let's do it. Before we get into that, I just

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Speaker 3: real quick, what are you reading?

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Speaker 1: This is relevant to the podcast, but this is football

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Speaker 1: New York Times bestseller. This is a book on Ukraine

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Speaker 1: Stories from the Crematorium Robert Saviano. No, but it's like

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Speaker 1: These are all non fiction, by the way, Emerald Mile.

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Speaker 2: Damn bro you went like you go just as hard

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Speaker 1: But who was who is the kid man? I don't

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Speaker 1: But he basically got draftings. He caught some jump balls

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00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,120
Speaker 1: at Stanford and the Eagles were like, we're gonna take

436
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Speaker 1: him in the second round. All right, I mean Cowboys,

437
00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,199
Speaker 1: I have I mean and then just because I know

438
00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,080
Speaker 1: people want to hear about the Cowboys, and the Cowboys

439
00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:46,120
Speaker 1: are Their win total is ten and a half over

440
00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,320
Speaker 1: ten and a half minus one fifteen, they won eleven

441
00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,680
Speaker 1: and six. Their win total last year was nine and

442
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,760
Speaker 1: a half. I think they got worse. I project him

443
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,280
Speaker 1: at like ten point three, and they need not, Like

444
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,160
Speaker 1: I said, their offensive line and his questions. I think

445
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,280
Speaker 1: their defense might regress questions of safety and linebacker edge

446
00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,320
Speaker 1: rush now without Gregory who's their kicker, But maybe you

447
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 1: get an upgradecause you don't have a zerline anymore. But

448
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's the offense. Can the offense bounce

449
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,800
Speaker 1: back without Cooper in offensive line questions with a healthy

450
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,200
Speaker 1: Dac all season? How much is that worth? But uh, yeah,

451
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,640
Speaker 1: you don't even know if what's if what's his name?

452
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 1: Is fully healthy? Who you're gonna need to rely on? Now? Who?

453
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 1: I like their other receiver who got in week seventeen?

454
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, I don't know some time, Yeah, yeah.

455
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 1: You don't know how long he's gonna miss. And then

456
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 1: you don't know how healthy is right away and you're

457
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 1: missing Cooper. You're missing Collins. Our offensive line is and

458
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,640
Speaker 1: it's good. So yeah, I mean Cowboys win totals, it's

459
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 1: gone up a full win and I think the Giants

460
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 1: could be a little better, the Eagles could be better,

461
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 1: and I think the Cowboys got worse. So I don't

462
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 1: see any val you know, with the schedule. When I

463
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,120
Speaker 1: projected out, I'm like to ten point two ten point three,

464
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,119
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna play the under. But uh, I

465
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,479
Speaker 1: have no interest in the Cowboys from any futures markets

466
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 1: or were wind totals.

467
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the thing about the Cowboys, and we

468
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 2: should kind of point out with the nfseas is why

469
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,199
Speaker 2: we're spending so long on them at And you know,

470
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,200
Speaker 2: one of the reasons I'm sure you're kind of saying, hey,

471
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 2: this this is one to look at for like a

472
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 2: long shot, is because they play the AFC South. So

473
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:13,359
Speaker 2: you got games against the Texans, the Colts, the Titans,

474
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 2: and the Jags, and you know all four of those.

475
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 2: I mean, the Jags should be better, but like it's

476
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 2: not going to be a good.

477
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,479
Speaker 3: Division at all. I don't think so.

478
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 2: And we kind of I feel like we argue about

479
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,919
Speaker 2: this every year about like strength to scheduleing how that

480
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 2: the AFC South in particular, But I think that's a

481
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 2: win for that. That's one of the reasons if the

482
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 2: Cowboys do go over, it'll be thanks to that, and

483
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 2: then just piling it up on the on the East,

484
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Speaker 2: as they tend to do at times.

485
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Speaker 1: If that's even if the Giants don't take this big leap.

486
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Speaker 1: I mean, but they got the Jags, you said, the Jagsons, Yeah,

487
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 1: the Bears, the Lions at home. They're at the Seahawks,

488
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Speaker 1: who are now in that bottom rung now because there's

489
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Speaker 1: a couple of teams now we used to have. There's

490
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Speaker 1: a lot more teams this year that are way in

491
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Speaker 1: the tank that are just like reset rebuilding, including the

492
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Speaker 1: Bears the Seahawks. Now they also play the Panthers at home,

493
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: so like the Giants are, and we don't like Washington

494
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 1: to get two games against them. I think so even

495
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: if they don't improve that much, they could team last

496
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 1: year you could find its way to seven wins. But

497
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Speaker 1: I think just with better health, upgraded staff, I think

498
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Speaker 1: that you know, these two top ten picks, I think

499
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Speaker 1: there's a really good shot the Giants go over seven.

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Speaker 1: All right, now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to NFC North and I'll start off by saying,

528
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Speaker 2: I know you said this is the Packers division. I

529
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: think you fade the Packers. I think that the Packers

530
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: are one of the teams that when I was looking

531
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Speaker 2: at early futures, and this was even before they traded

532
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: Devonte Adams, I felt that this team.

533
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Speaker 3: Is just overrated. And I feel like that even more.

534
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Speaker 2: I just don't think there should be a two win

535
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Speaker 2: disparity between them and the Vikings at this point, because

536
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Speaker 2: I mean, say all you want about Aaron Rodgers, but

537
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: you know the two things that because remember he was

538
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 2: kind of average for a while, they're not, like, you know,

539
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: he wasn't great elite Aaron Rodgers for like a couple,

540
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 2: you know, a few years in there, and then you

541
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 2: get Lafleur, you get Hacket, and things turn around and

542
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 2: now you lose your best receiver who's getting you know,

543
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 2: about thirty four percent of your yardage and touchdowns, and

544
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Speaker 2: you lose your offensive court nat who you.

545
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Speaker 3: Know, guess is still got the head coach.

546
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Speaker 2: But that's like two of the most important factors to

547
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: you know, a quarterback succeeding. And if you and if

548
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is not like MVP Aaron Rodgers, then you know,

549
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 2: if he's just like good but.

550
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 3: Not great Aaron Rodgers, which could very well happen.

551
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Speaker 2: I just think the Vikings have a real chance because

552
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,479
Speaker 2: the Vikings are They're not amazing, they don't wow you,

553
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: but they're pretty solid across the board. And I mean

554
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,959
Speaker 2: some of their losses and hiccups are just maddening and

555
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: just you know, kind of just some combination of bad

556
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: luck and just I mean just all all these you know,

557
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: injuries and just stupid decisions at the end of game sometimes.

558
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: But I mean, I say the Vikings is a legitimate

559
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: threat here in the NFC North with the Packers in

560
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 2: this situation, just with their receiving corps and you know,

561
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 2: still relying on Aaron Rodgers.

562
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Speaker 1: H Yeah, no, I agree. I don't know if I

563
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: don't know if I could convince myself that the Vikings

564
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: can make a deep run. I mean they're forty to one,

565
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: but similar to the I think a coaching change and

566
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: coaching methodology change, especially on offense, could go a long

567
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: way here. I didn't like some of the moves they made.

568
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: I mean, they brought in Darius Smith, Harrison Phillips, Jordan Hicks,

569
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: re signed Patrick Peterson, they lost Piers Zavier Woods and Conklind.

570
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: But I can you know they're going to switch to

571
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Speaker 1: a three to four on defense, It's going to go

572
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Speaker 1: from the Zimmer d to something else. But I think

573
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Speaker 1: they really that Zimmer. I think the offense can really

574
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Speaker 1: take a step forward. Can the the young pieces on

575
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Speaker 1: the offensive line and the secondary take a jump. That's

576
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Speaker 1: the key for the Vikings. But yeah, I mean I

577
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Speaker 1: don't have what's say the Vikings and Packers. I agree.

578
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: I mean the Packers win total is sitting at over

579
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Speaker 1: eleven minus, which I think is highed with their schedule,

580
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: the grant they played in an easy division. I project

581
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: them at like ten to seven eight, and then the

582
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Speaker 1: Vikings win total is sitting at nine. I project them

583
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: at nine and a half, so I'm closer to like

584
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: a win win and change different and like, yeah, I

585
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: mean the Packers don't. Adams is huge, Rodgers is another

586
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: year older, and he just took so much I mean

587
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: that contract. I mean he good for Iron Rodgers. You

588
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: do get Alexander back. You hope that Stokes takes another

589
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: step forward, and then your secondary looks a lot better

590
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: than it did last year. But you know you're replacing

591
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: Adams with Watkins pretty much. You know, you added Eric

592
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: Jaron Reid, he lost Toadarius Smith and then something that

593
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: not a lot of people a talking about. The offensive

594
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: line isn't going to be as good with some of

595
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: their losses. You know, lose Turner, you lose Patrick. I

596
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: know they have a lot of depth there. But I

597
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: agree it's hard for me to see the backers not

598
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: winning this division. It's just what they do. But I

599
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: don't think that this team is anywhere close to as

600
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: good as they've been in years past. And I wouldn't

601
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: hate taking the Vikings like three to one shot to

602
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: win the division. Yes, I know the backers will be

603
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Pretty confident saying that because now there's

604
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: another team, extra team that makes it. But yeah, I

605
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: could see the Vikings winning this division. And I do

606
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: think there's value three to one, because as you said,

607
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: I only have the it's a little over one win

608
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: instead of you imply too.

609
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 2: And this is this is one of those divisions where listen,

610
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 2: it's early, right, it's you know we're talking about this,

611
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 2: it's it's late April. But if you're looking a bet

612
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: on it on a division future, at this point, you're

613
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: getting the Vikings at three to one, and it's we

614
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: pretty much you know it's going to be a two

615
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: team race. The Bears are eight to one, the Lions

616
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: are twelve to one. We can barely confidently say those

617
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: teams are at least a year away. Still, like, I

618
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: don't think the Bears and Lines are going to be

619
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: challenging for that number two spot in the division.

620
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 3: And so that's why I like the Vikings bet.

621
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: It really comes down to, like Vikings one or Vikings two,

622
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 2: and you're getting three to one on that, you know

623
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: that they can't finish one, and I mean, you know,

624
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: injuries happen, randomness, happens, and uh.

625
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: That's what you gotta kind of take advantage of.

626
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's that's probably my favorite bet is

627
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: just Vikings to win that NFC North, you know, regardless

628
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 2: how you feel about the win total. Obviously, I think

629
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: they go over nine if they win it. But three

630
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: to one to win the North is pretty good. The

631
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: Bears win total seven, the Lions win totals five. I

632
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: don't really think we need to talk too much about that.

633
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: Bears win total lines. Yeah, I'm pretty spot on around six.

634
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm lioving a little lower.

635
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 3: There are five so yeah, five flat.

636
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I project them five to seven, so not enough

637
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: for me to bet the older I thought it was

638
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: six and uh yeah, I'm at like five seven is

639
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm really low on the Bears. What do you seeing

640
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: for Bears right now? Under this one? Five?

641
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: Which is like don't feel great aboutween?

642
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the under if I had a bet there,

643
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a Bears team. I like the

644
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: higher I like the the regime change, but there's a

645
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: Bear how to blow everything up there. The previous regime

646
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 1: when they were going for mean, they were just their

647
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: cap was an absolute disaster, so they had to get

648
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: rid of Ireland Robinson, Mac Goldman, Hicks, Peters and Fatty Nichols,

649
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: Dan go on and on and on. They're just completely

650
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: gutted their roster. I think smart intelligently, you know, getting

651
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: rid of you know, contracts like Mac and they have

652
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: to start over now. They have a little higher upside

653
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: than the Lions because you know, I kind of know

654
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: what Jared Goff is and what can Justin Field's do

655
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: in near two. But I think this team is a mess.

656
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: I like the higher of Everfluse. I think it's gonna

657
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: be Some people don't. I actually really do love it.

658
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: But this is a year they had no first round pick.

659
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: They're cleaning up the cap. This year they're just building

660
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: for the future. So yeah, last year their winter it

661
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: was seven and a half. I think they were significantly

662
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: better under seven. I'll pay the juice to go under seven.

663
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: I don't see this team winning eight games. Lines are

664
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: they are. They're gonna fight hard, but they didn't really

665
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: do anything. I mean, who do They had Mike Hughes

666
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: at DJ chart that's about it, and you know they

667
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: have They're in a good cap spot, and I think

668
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: that they're building for the future and but three top

669
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: thirty five picks still don't believe in their secondary. The

670
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: receivers are goth. I'm a little higher on the win total.

671
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: Nothing there, but I do like the Bears under and

672
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: I agree with you Vikings for the division.

673
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bears are just in a tough spot because

674
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: they got a defensive head coach, but the defensive personnel

675
00:30:58,880 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: wasn't there.

676
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 3: They still have issues on offense, and they got.

677
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: I mean gets he was in Green Bay too, so

678
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: that's another guy Rodgers loses. He was the passing game

679
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: who's the quarterbacks coach and then the passing game coordinator

680
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: for the Packers, so but he's a first year coordinator,

681
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: so I mean, yeah, they're just a year away.

682
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I've been clowning the Bears. I've been

683
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: betting Bears winding total unders. By the way, my win total,

684
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Speaker 1: my win total underpiece on action r dot com for

685
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 1: my five or six official haven't haven't lost one in

686
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: the last three years. But I've think I have four pushes,

687
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: but I'm like eighth to four. I'll have my five

688
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: or six official ones. Bears will be under there, and

689
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: I always clown the Bears. Bears fans. I think that

690
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: there is some hope. The only thing that I would

691
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: worry about about was a Bears fan this year. Obviously,

692
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: it's the NFL. You want to start out with hope

693
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe get lucky and get to the black.

694
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: I think that they're going to be able to build

695
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: this right, you build it back up just because out

696
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: of fields. Look for fields progress every week. That's all

697
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: you need. And if that happens, you have hope. Because

698
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: I do think that the regime change is going to

699
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: be a positive in the long run. If the quarterback

700
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: works out, it doesn't matter. Again, it doesn't matter what

701
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: you do from a coaching perspective if you don't have

702
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: a quarterback.

703
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean right now, I think I actually think

704
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: quarterback isn't as high on the Bear's list of words.

705
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Speaker 3: I mean, I just think the roster needs you know.

706
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying they're resetting the entire roster. But

707
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: if you have a young quarterback for you know, two

708
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: three years from now, yeah, that's that that'll give you

709
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: a shot then yeah, but to be a long year.

710
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: The issue is I mean, and you know, look at

711
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: the AFC, look at what these teams are doing with

712
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: these quarterbacks on your rookie DearS, you.

713
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Speaker 1: Know, like by the time, by the time.

714
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 3: And Alan and Herbert like so like looking at the.

715
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Speaker 1: Time, get the roster, yeah, and then then he's gonna

716
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: have to get paid, and.

717
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: Then that's what we're here for. We like because like,

718
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: this is how I feel about it.

719
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: It's like everybody who's a fan of a team, and

720
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know some people realize that.

721
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 3: Some people don't. If you've been in, if you've been

722
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Speaker 3: following long.

723
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Speaker 1: Enough, you do.

724
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Speaker 2: But like this time of year is tough, PCs and

725
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: everyone's talking about optimism and hope and if you just

726
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,200
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727
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728
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729
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730
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731
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735
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,920
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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's just that Matt Naggy one year where they went

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Speaker 3: like twelve and four. That might be their peak for

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to NFC sous Tampa Bay leading

767
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Speaker 2: the way with eleven and a half wins. You have

768
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: the Saints at eight, the Panthers at six, the Falcons

769
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 2: at five.

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Speaker 3: I don't know where do you want to start here?

771
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: It's like tam Bay.

772
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can start at the top of tamp I mean,

773
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: they did need to address their guard position. They lose

774
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: market and cap, and that's obviously important when you're talking

775
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: about Brady. Uh. They did get Shack Mason. I think

776
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,479
Speaker 1: that's probably where they're going to target the first round.

777
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: Just give me another guard because pretty much they're you know,

778
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 1: the roster is intact. You know, you're gonna get Godwin back.

779
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: They lost Jordan White, added safety O j Howard Ronald Jones.

780
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: But like this is the same, you know, I assume

781
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: Grant is gonna come back at some point. You know,

782
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: Pierre Paul and Sewer are free agents currently, but.

783
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: You know there last year so bad.

784
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like the pieces that you've heard of,

785
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: this is like such a This is basically the same team.

786
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: Their their problem is depth youth. They could they could

787
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: do some help now at guard because they lost their

788
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: two guards and and and the defensive line, you know,

789
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: because it's an aging defensive. But this is like Tom Brady,

790
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: I doubt he's gonna be here after this year. So

791
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: this is just all right, one last row and this

792
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: the bus will probably end up having to be like

793
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: the Bears. I assume they're in a bad, bad cap place,

794
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: so maybe to fill up the roster. I don't even

795
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: how they're gonna fill out the roster because you look

796
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: at who they have and then how many they have

797
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: to sign, and then their Rooki class. They have no

798
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 1: cap space. It's it's pretty messy there, but they stay healthy.

799
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: This is one of the best teams in the NFL.

800
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: With Tom Brady back in the fold, I don't see

801
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: Eddie value and then went to eleven and a half,

802
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: I make it eleven. I make them eleven point three.

803
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: So the question is, and they're Super Bowl adds seven

804
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: to one their minus two eighty to win the division, like,

805
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: no thanks. The question is the Panthers, they STI don't

806
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: have a quarterback. I'm not a Malik Willis believer. Some

807
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: people are. I don't think Kenny Pick come in and

808
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: you know Star as a rookie, so they don't have

809
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: a quarterbacks. I don't add no interest in backing this team.

810
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: I do like some of the veterans, Like they had

811
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: like a bunch of swaps, so they got rid of

812
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: a bunch of like mid veteran guys in then that

813
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: at something. I like some of the guys they did

814
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: bring in. They have a lot of new faces. But

815
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: I just don't have a quarterback if you want to

816
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: bet the Panthers. Now the interesting thing and the Falcons

817
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: are a mess. The Facons, like the Bears, they were starting over.

818
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: They were in a bad spot because the previous regime

819
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: went for it and they needed to reset and restart

820
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: and that's why they got run to Ryan and but

821
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: they need a lot of help across the board. This

822
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: is a team. Last year they went seven to ten,

823
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: but they were you know, we talked about all yeard,

824
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: they're like thirtieth. They were one of the worst teams.

825
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: They beat up back team. That's pretty much all they did.

826
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got way worse Atlanta win total over five

827
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: minus one twenty. I make them four and a half.

828
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: So I would lean under there, Carolina, I lean under.

829
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: But if you want to bet Carolina, here's the interesting thing.

830
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: I think their offensive line could be a little better.

831
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: Is Matt Rules obviously on the hot seat. I think

832
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: he knows that Darnold's not the answer. So the questions

833
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: are they going to draft Willis at six? I don't know.

834
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: I mean they're gm, they've traded picks for that. Their

835
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: only pick in the top one hundred is picked six. Yeah, bad,

836
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: because this roster needs help. So do they go out

837
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: and then, you know, because they're a division that's maybe

838
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: vulnerable besides the Bucks, but they're one like Brady injury

839
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: away from winning. If they for potentially winning this division,

840
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: if they maybe just went out and said, let's go

841
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: get Jimmy G who he knows, a serviceable quarterback who

842
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: can win games against you know, teams to get to

843
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: eight to nine wins. So does Rule just say, look,

844
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna get Jimmy G. We're gonna trade this pick

845
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: six for like, you know, two late round first round

846
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: picks or first and a second helped the roster out

847
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: some more. Basically ruled just being like, I'm just trying

848
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: to save my job this year. I don't know. So

849
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: maybe there's upside with the Panthers that they do bring

850
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: in a veteran quarterback because I just hate Sam Donald,

851
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: so like I think for me that would be a

852
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: big upgrade from Sam Donald to Jimmy g But really

853
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: no interest in the Panthers. Most interesting team is the

854
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: Sametsier me. They won eight games last year. Their win total, sorry,

855
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: they won nine games last year. Their win total is eight.

856
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: It was nine last year. They get Jameis Winston back,

857
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: who showed strides last year, and the major the main

858
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: question here is ken Winston continue that development without Peyton.

859
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: How much of the wins we saw last year was

860
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: Peyton and how much was it not? And we've seen

861
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: Alan the new head coach, coach head coach for it

862
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: didn't really work out well. I actually don't mind him.

863
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna get Thomas back. You know, you

864
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: do still have some holes at wide receiver and safety.

865
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: The offensive line it lose Armstead isn't as great, but

866
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: here's what I think if this is what if I

867
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: was the Saints, where I think that there's some potential

868
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: upside with the Saints. I don't mind their win total

869
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: over eight. Sign like sign Honey Badger. Get your other safeties.

870
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: You lost Marcus Williams and Jenkins retired, you got Marcus

871
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: May and like, sign like Honey Badger. Go sign a

872
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: veteran receiver, and then get like a left tackle, maybe

873
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: a d lineman or another or receiver in the draft.

874
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: And I think this team's a nine to ten win

875
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: team as long as Winston doesn't revert back to who

876
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: he was. So that's the question, is Winston he wins

877
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: to continue what he was doing without Peyton. If so,

878
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: I think this is a potential wildcard team. I think

879
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: there is some value on their win total over eight.

880
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm at like eight to nine, and I think that

881
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: there's some things that they could do in the draft

882
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: and then bring in some veterans to address like receiver

883
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: and safety. A couple of guys that are out there.

884
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: So the Saints are the interesting team here. What are

885
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: your thoughts on on New Orleans.

886
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a little I'm kind of pessimistic because I

887
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: think they have some big holes. That's some spots that

888
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 2: you know in the past where you know we're good

889
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: for them, like tackle and safety. And then I just

890
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: look at their schedule and there you know, obviously you

891
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 2: got the home games against Atlanta and I mean you

892
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: got the two games against Atlanta and Carolina each.

893
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: That's great. They should be able to beat those teams.

894
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: But they'll sweep the Bucks. They'll swep the Bucks too,

895
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: you know that. But six, well, I mean maybe, but

896
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: six and now in the division, we done that when

897
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: the last time the Bucks beat the Saints in the

898
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: regular But the Saints have either their number for yeah,

899
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: no they have.

900
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: But so you have the but you also have the

901
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 2: home games of Ravens, Bengals, Raiders, Rams, Vikings, Seahawks are

902
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 2: like the only one you say, okay, that's that's that's

903
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 2: the edge to the Saints. And then on the road

904
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 2: you got the Cardinals and the Browns and the Eagles

905
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: and the Niners and the Steelers. Like it's just not

906
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: if the Saints are there's like, you know, seven eightish

907
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: win team. I just don't know if like this is

908
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: the year that they could play about like overachieve. And

909
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 2: then I really worry about them overachieving without Peyton because

910
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: we've talked about it on the show so many times,

911
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: where we're just betting on the Saints because Peyton is

912
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: an underdog Peyton and you know, different spots that I

913
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: just feel like he gave them so much of an

914
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: edge that, you know, I worry about how it's going

915
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: to look without him. I worry about how Jamis is

916
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: gonna look without him. You know, Dennis Allen, now he's

917
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: gonna have more responsibility. He was great, great for their defense.

918
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: But we've seen this happen in the past. Coaches that

919
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: you know kind of have that like a little more

920
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: laid back demeanor and you know, very good as a coordinator.

921
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: They get into these head positions and it's just more too,

922
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: we kind of bite off more than could chew. You

923
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: have more tasks, you have to do more. Does that

924
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: affect the defense in anyway? I'm gonna wait and see

925
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: mode the Saints, because I do agree.

926
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: I think roster.

927
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: Wise, if they can plug some holes with their you know,

928
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: with their draft picks and whatnot, they could be in

929
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: a good spot.

930
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 3: But going into the draft as of.

931
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm I wouldn't go over that with them,

932
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: and you know, Panthers I kind of agree. There was

933
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 2: like a time when I was like, hey, Tom Brady

934
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: was retired, you know, Panthers are sitting. I was like,

935
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: you know, if there's any team that may kind of

936
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 2: out kick the coverage in this division, probably the Panthers.

937
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 2: But now I'm hearing that Matt Rule might not even

938
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 2: care that he's on the hot seat and doesn't mind

939
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: going back to college. And you know, there's clearly disagreements

940
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: that the quarterback position and like it just it just

941
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like a good spot either. So you know,

942
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: they're another team until we actually see what they are

943
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: going to do at quarterback, I can't recommend going over

944
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: six is kind of you know, it little too low

945
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: to go under at this point either. Like you said,

946
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: maybe they get a guy like Jimmy g Maybe they're

947
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: the second best team in the division by default. So

948
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 2: it's just this is like a division I don't really

949
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: want to bet on right now. It's just it's just

950
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: kind of a stay away. I don't you know, the

951
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: Bucks are overvalued or they're you're not really gaining anything

952
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: by betting minus to waiting for them to win. A

953
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 2: division and holding your money there for what eight nine

954
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: months at this point, So yeah, this is this is

955
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 2: kind of a away division.

956
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: I think I think we just have to revisit this

957
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 3: after the draft.

958
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go the stats in some formerfession.

959
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: The interesting thing, we always like Peyton as a dog

960
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: and in these spots, what what are we gonna Winston's

961
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: He's named all these spots Winston is a dog, But

962
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: then he's going to be a favorite against these teams

963
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: where you could also lose to. So that throws another

964
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: rent in the Saints. Yeah, but I'm sure we're gonna

965
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: be backing the Saints on the road as some dogs

966
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: at some point this year. But that is a long

967
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: time away. Let's move on to the last division in

968
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: the NSA.

969
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

970
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: Uh, NFC West got the Rams, the Super Bowl champion

971
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: Rams leading the way ten and a half wins. You

972
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 2: got the Niners still with Jimmy g on the roster,

973
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: Trey Lance debo contract dispute. They're at ten wins, and

974
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: you get the Cardinals at nine. Kyler Murray, what's going

975
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: on him? And then the seatwks way down there are six?

976
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: What do you thought, this is the look you got

977
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: the deepos a Chrich. We don't know what's gonna have

978
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: with Jimmy g It's we're not fans of Cliff Kyler Murray.

979
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: Who knows what's going on there. I didn't really like

980
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: what the Cardinals did. I mean they got worse. I mean,

981
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: they re signed what do they do? They re signed

982
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: Connor Ertz, Max Williams, aj Green, they got will hern

983
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: Nandez Gladney. I mean who I mean, that's like, I

984
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: think it's all they did. They lost Chandler Jones, they

985
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: lost Chase Evans, they lost Christian Kirk, they lost Jordan Hicks,

986
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: and it's still Cliff and they extended Cliff Kinsbury. I

987
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: think that's a disastrous offseason for the Cardinals. Not buying them.

988
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: They were frauds all year and they finally got exposed

989
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: after just getting lucky with I mean, they re signed

990
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: Cole McCoy. Maybe Cole McCoy will take my money again.

991
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: I was so mad when I saw, I know, first

992
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: Rup pick their caps in a bad spot. They went

993
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: eleven and six last year they went over eight was

994
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: their win total. It's nine this year. I make the

995
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: I protected them eight point six.

996
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're at five hundred team through and through yep.

997
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: Cardinals, No, thank you. Look the forty nine ers. Who

998
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: knows it's gonna be their quarterback? The Rams I did there.

999
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any value in the Rams at

1000
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl champions they had no top one hundred picks.

1001
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah that's It's like, let me just Seahawks.

1002
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: This is the Seahawks division with oh wait, never mind

1003
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: Drew lock and the Seahawks are very very bad. Their

1004
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: win total is six over six plus one hundred. I

1005
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: project them at five point two. They're really bad, So

1006
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: I have I might play the Seattle under. I don't

1007
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: know what they're going to do a quarterback. Are they

1008
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: just going to trust Drew Locke to throw it to

1009
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: no a fan a million times? I don't know. I

1010
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: was assuming that I was going to bet the Rams under.

1011
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: They went twelve and five last year, ended up winning

1012
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Their win total last year was ten

1013
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: and a half. This year it's over ten and a

1014
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: half again minus one fifteen. I project the Rams at

1015
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: so it's applied over ten and a half minus one fifteen,

1016
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 1: like ten point six. I project them at ten point

1017
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: six five, so nothing. I'm right there with them. But

1018
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: they lost some important pieces Darius Williams, they lost Austin Corbett,

1019
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, Miller Whitworth retired, So they have some questions

1020
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: at corner, linebacker and uh on the offensive line, but

1021
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: no top one hunderd picks and they got lucky last year?

1022
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 1: Can we can we say that like they if Tart

1023
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: was a tartar reward, I think it was Tart dropped

1024
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: his tart. Tart dropped the ball, not to cover Cooper cup. Yeah,

1025
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: the cover cup. But like Tart tuck ketch. That less

1026
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: needs of moron for trading their entire future, right, they

1027
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: got this so it worked out, right, Like so who

1028
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: cares what happens in the future. I mean, I know

1029
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: Rams still care and they're still one of the best

1030
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: teams in the NCA, But I'm saying it did work out,

1031
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: and then everyone will be like, oh, and then now

1032
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: you have teams like that are doing the same thing,

1033
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: like just trading by their future to try and go

1034
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: for one year. I think that's the wrong approach. And

1035
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: the Rams every look, and then they had up playing

1036
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: the Bengals the Super Bowl. NOTICEPEC to the Bengals but

1037
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: the Bengals also got pretty luck to get there, and

1038
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: they weren't the best team in the a C. And

1039
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: they could have lost the raiders of a Derek Carr

1040
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: passes and't hit Couverard's helmet anyway. So I thought that

1041
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: the Rams were gonna be look at Alan Robinson because

1042
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: it is a nice addition.

1043
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 3: Maybe it may it may be a niceition like baby.

1044
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, we haven't seen him play

1045
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: well in like a year now, so yeah, but.

1046
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: I mean he has in a great situation. I don't

1047
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: know if this is like revitalizes him. It's a good

1048
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: high upside.

1049
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 3: No, it's a nice signing, but I'm saying like it's

1050
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: not like a smash.

1051
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know what's gonna happen with Beckham. I

1052
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: haven't seen anything with him. But there's some more holes

1053
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: in the sputs. So I think the team got a

1054
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: little worse. They have the target on their back now.

1055
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: But I thought it was gonna be in the under

1056
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: and but I'm not. I'm right on on Q and

1057
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: that's fainly because I hate the Cardinals. The Seahawks are

1058
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 1: trocious and I'm lower than the market on them. And

1059
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers have questions like who's that Maybe

1060
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: they're probably the most interesting team here, say Frank, there's

1061
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: a lot of uncertainty. What's going to happen? Then be

1062
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: a debo, what's what's happened with I'm assume he's not

1063
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: gonna be there's gonna be Trey Lance. And then it's okay,

1064
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: where where does Trey Lance stand? And how do you

1065
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: project him? They do add to various Ward. They gave

1066
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: him a lot of money. I'm not in love with

1067
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: that signing, and they've lost a number of guys as well,

1068
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: so you know they're probably gonna be there. I'm just

1069
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: not sure is ready right now to take them to

1070
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: that next step. I am. Let's see their win total

1071
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: is ten over ten, I'm at ten point two, ten

1072
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: point three, and that's like trying to juggle. Okay, who's

1073
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: going to be the quarterback? I'm not even sure as

1074
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: if right now. And then the Deebot situation, you know,

1075
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: you lose Tomlinson a guard. So yeah, I have questions

1076
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: about corner even with the addition of Ward, like in

1077
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: the ard in like Dinard and so I wasn't in

1078
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: love with their offseason and there's still a lot of

1079
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: questions with the fort doners, So this division is hard

1080
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: to crack. I wanted to fade the Rams, but doesn't

1081
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: look like I will be doing so maybe I'll fade

1082
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: the Cardinals get a brutal home schedule, by the way,

1083
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: if you look at their home schedule. So yeah, I

1084
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 1: think that this is I lean some unders on some teams,

1085
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: maybe the Seahawks, maybe the Cardinals, but I don't see

1086
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: any team worth taking a shot on. There's no value

1087
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: in the forty nine ers, for example, at like fourteen

1088
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: to one to win the Super Bowl. So this division

1089
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: to me looks like a hard pass.

1090
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's on paper you look at and you say,

1091
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 2: these teams are probably going to be overrated, But then

1092
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: you think about the rest of the the NFC. I mean,

1093
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 2: we tell you, you know, the story of the offseason has

1094
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 2: been the arms race in the AFC, right, and you

1095
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: look at the NFC and it's like, I want to

1096
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: fade all four of these teams in the NFC West

1097
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: because I'm thinking this division probably not going to be

1098
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 2: as good like roster wise, personnel wise, you know, team

1099
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: quality wise as it has been in the past. It's

1100
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: been a really tough division, especially with Russell Wilson on

1101
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: the Seahawks. And then you look at the schedule and like,

1102
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 2: for example, the Rams play in addition to you know,

1103
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: the three teams in the division, they play you know,

1104
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: the Bills, the Cowboys, the Broncos, the Raiders, the Chiefs,

1105
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 2: the Chargers, the Bucks, the Packers. So it's like the

1106
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: Rams have a tough schedule, only a couple of gimmes

1107
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: mixed in. You know, they got the Panthers, they got

1108
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: the the Falcons those are and the Seahawks. But you know,

1109
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: all of those schedules are kind of similar. But it's

1110
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: just like the rest of the NFC is so bad

1111
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: that somebody's gonna have to win these interconference games, you know.

1112
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: Like it's like the NFC East is pretty you know,

1113
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: it's it's not great, and maybe there's some wild cards

1114
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: out you know that come out of there. There's two

1115
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: really I think gonna be bad teams in the North,

1116
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: and then there's going to be two, maybe even three

1117
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: really bad teams in the South, and then the Seahawks

1118
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:08,959
Speaker 2: should be really bad.

1119
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 3: So it's like these.

1120
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: Teams might all go over just or we don't really

1121
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: like the car We don't really like the Cardinals.

1122
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: We think we don't like the Cardinals, but they might

1123
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: get to nine wins just because it's like, yeah, you know.

1124
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, for like the Rams to play the

1125
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: Rams and the and the Niners get to play them.

1126
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: It's not like we're like wow by the Cardinals. So yeah,

1127
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of wins out there. That's why

1128
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: I have the forty like ten and a half still

1129
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: and uh, they'll be in the next Like if you're

1130
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: if you're a Rams and you went for it, think

1131
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: you got a bit lucky. That's what you want to do.

1132
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 1: And then here's the thing, you're still really good team

1133
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: in a very weak conference. So you're going to be

1134
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: in the discussion when we get to the playoffs.

1135
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: So the thing about the Rams, and again we're talking

1136
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: it's it's late April, right, so we're trying to give

1137
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: people any advice they can to to bet these things.

1138
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 2: What I would say is that what I'm looking for

1139
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: in these situations because you're your your money is going

1140
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: to be held up for for the next eight months.

1141
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 3: So what I'm like it.

1142
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: For long shots at decent odds and teams that will

1143
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 2: increase in value after the draft and the fact that

1144
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: the Rams just don't have any top one hundred picks.

1145
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 3: You know, they might very well go over their win

1146
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 3: total of ten and a half.

1147
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: They eleven and six may may even be their floor

1148
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 2: ten or ten and seven maybe their floor, and they're

1149
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 2: they're like sixty percent to go over.

1150
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 3: But it's no, there's no real value there because this

1151
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 3: team is really.

1152
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 2: Not going to get much better than what we see

1153
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,959
Speaker 2: right now, and there are other teams that could get better.

1154
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: So that's why, you know, you look at a team

1155
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: like the Vikings and say, okay, Green Bay is overrated.

1156
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 2: It's a two team division race, you know, Vikings. But

1157
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: with the Ram new staff, new staff for the Vikings. Yeah,

1158
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: uncertainty right with the Rams. It's like you're already paying

1159
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: the premium. So that's like it's you know, if you

1160
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: want to talk about teams, fans and people might get

1161
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: mad as Saint is, but no disrespect to the Rams.

1162
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 2: I'm out here in l a great city, great support

1163
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 2: for them on their Super Bowl run and whatever. Not

1164
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: great roster, great great coach, But you're it's all priced it,

1165
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.

1166
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, they need they I mean they have questions in

1167
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: the US. Losing Darius Williams, I think it's important. I

1168
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: don't even know. Yeah, the starting corner is, you know,

1169
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: you lose Whitworth and Corbett on the offensive line, and

1170
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: again we don't know top one our picks they need

1171
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: like Cam Shelton or that antwer I forget his name

1172
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: who they drafted last year to step up on the

1173
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: offensive line. So they're gonna need some guys to step

1174
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: up to fill some of the holes ad because they

1175
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: trade away all the draft picks. I don't think that

1176
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: there's much value to be had here in this division.

1177
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: And uh, there's no upside teams. There's no upside shots.

1178
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 3: I agree with you, all right, So that is going

1179
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 3: to do not believe No, we don't no, edit it out,

1180
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 3: Edit out that you're like, I don't believe in them.

1181
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: Wait, by the way, who is Seattle? What is it?

1182
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: I don't even even look. They're hurting it and it's

1183
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: what Seattle's plan? What quarterback are they? Are they like

1184
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: or something?

1185
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 3: So here's the thing.

1186
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: Most Meg is gonna play for eight teams next year.

1187
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:58,959
Speaker 2: Most people don't think that the forty nine ers would

1188
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: trade Jimmy g with in the division. So the consensus

1189
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: seems to be right now anyway. Yeah, even so, I

1190
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: don't know if you saw Baker was on a podcast.

1191
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 3: I forget the podcast.

1192
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 2: I'm drawing a blank, but he was on the podcast

1193
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: and he was talking about the whole time too.

1194
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't see.

1195
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 3: I just saw the clips. So I wish I remember

1196
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 3: the name of it.

1197
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure you can look it up where our producer

1198
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: can figure that out. But the point is he even

1199
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: thought he was like where they're like, where do you

1200
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: think you're gonna win? He's like, honestly, probably Seattle. It's

1201
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: just what happened I think was with this quarterback market.

1202
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 2: Everyone thought there was gonna be like two less quarterbacks

1203
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 2: on the market than there really were, because like Brady

1204
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 2: comes back, and you know, then you know, like everything

1205
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 2: kind of like Watson goes to Cleveland and then Bakers

1206
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 2: are on Cleveland, and then wentz Or goes to Washington

1207
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 2: and like it's all this shuffling, but there's still like

1208
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: everyone thought there was going to be more of like

1209
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: an arms race Bridge Water.

1210
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: Goes to my Bridgewater goes to Miami, right, and like, uh,

1211
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: he could have easily like gone back to Carol or something.

1212
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: You have Carolina now in the mix too for this.

1213
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: You hear the himm Yeah, it's just it's.

1214
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: Like no one wants to be make the first move

1215
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: because the value has gone down because there's not just one.

1216
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 2: There's not just Jimmy G on the market now. There

1217
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 2: is JIMMYD and Baker, and so it's like no one

1218
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: wants to overpay now for either of them because they're like, hey,

1219
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: well we could get the other one, you know. So

1220
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: it's it's a weird spot.

1221
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: How about you go out and get Cooper Rush Baby?

1222
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 3: He beat the beat the Vikings.

1223
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: Still mad about that he beat the Cowboys?

1224
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 3: Wait?

1225
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean you beat the Vikings.

1226
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 3: For the Vikings?

1227
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: That's the Viking? And then who else is that? Garret Gilbert?

1228
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: He covers is gonna go and get him?

1229
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 3: I don't know who's your boy? Who's your boy on

1230
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 3: the Jets? Is he still on the Jets?

1231
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: Mike White, Mike White, shout out Mike White. I assume

1232
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: yeah he's gotta be. Let's see, Yeah, he's still on

1233
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: the Jets. Matt Rule, give him a call.

1234
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 3: Shouts to Mike White. Man he had he had a

1235
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 3: little street there.

1236
00:54:58,960 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: All right.

1237
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, Seahawks not in a good spot. But

1238
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: that's gonna wrap it up, I guess, just to recap.

1239
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: So what do you I know there's not much, But

1240
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 2: what do you like in the NFC?

1241
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you want to take a long shot,

1242
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: look at the NFC East, whether quarterback you believe in.

1243
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: I might like the Giants, but one of my favorite

1244
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: bets the NFC is the Giants win total over I

1245
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: like the Bears win total under, might go under Seattle,

1246
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: And then I agree with you that I think from

1247
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: a division bet perspective, like future take a long shot

1248
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: look at the NFC East win total. Also FC's Giants

1249
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: division bet, I agree with you. I think it's Vikings

1250
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: like three to one NFC South. Some's telling me to

1251
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 1: bet the Saints over there win total, but I haven't

1252
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: bet it yet and I don't love it, but I

1253
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: would say those are my three favorites. Like maybe the

1254
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: Giants or Eagles is a long shot. Maybe the Vikings too.

1255
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: The Vikings in the division Giants win total over I

1256
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: think would be my two favorites.

1257
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Vikings for me, far and away favorite. You can

1258
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 2: get it as high as three to one. I would

1259
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 2: take that down a two to one because I really

1260
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 2: think it's like a two team division race here between

1261
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: the Vikings and the Package. I think the Packers are overrated,

1262
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 2: so to a lesser extent, I also like the Vikings

1263
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 2: win total. You're just not getting his juicy odds, so

1264
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: not as much incentive to bet it in April. But

1265
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: I know if you're listening to the show in April,

1266
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 2: you're probably willing to throw some.

1267
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 3: Bread down on it. So like that too, agree with you.

1268
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 2: I think Giants and Eagles in the NFC East, if

1269
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 2: you're if you want some teams to kind of go

1270
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 2: over on or take a long shot, and then if

1271
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: you want to be bearish on a team, go to

1272
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 2: the Bears no pun intended, you know, I think under

1273
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: seven is a pretty good bet for them in that

1274
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 2: North's division because I mean, there's a chance that the

1275
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 2: Lions could even be better than the Bears. And that's

1276
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 2: no disrespect to Justin Fields. I just think there's it's

1277
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 2: going to take more than one year to kind of

1278
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 2: turn this thing around in Chicago, and I just you

1279
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: have the offense is probably the bigger concern, But who

1280
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 2: knows what's gonna happen with the defensive head coach, and

1281
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 2: then he's not going to have his personnel, I think.

1282
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: Separating them right now.

1283
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a Monrod Saint Brown Baby year two, one

1284
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty catches. That's gonna wrap it up. Be

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