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Speaker 1: Height and Mighty Tour. I'm coming to Washington, d c Norfolk, Virginia, Madison, Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Detroit, Michigan, Cleveland, Columbus,

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Speaker 1: and Cincinnati, Ohio, Denver, Colorado, Portland, Maine, Providence, Rhode Island, Springfield, Massachusetts, Chicago,

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Speaker 1: of Course, Indianapolis, Indiana, Louisville, Kentucky, Albuquerque, Masa, Arizona, Kansas City, Missouri,

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Speaker 1: Saint Louis, Missouri, Minneapolis, Minnesota, Nashville, Tennessee, Charlotte, North Carolina, Durham,

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Speaker 1: port Chester, New York, Boston, Massachusetts, Portland, Oregon, and Seattle, Washington.

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Speaker 1: I will be touring from February through June, So go

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Speaker 1: get your tickets now if you want to come see

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Speaker 1: me perform. I will be on The High and Mighty

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Speaker 1: Tour every Christmas, Catherine, It's Christmas Day.

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Speaker 2: Merry Christmas, Chelsea.

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Speaker 3: So exciting.

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Speaker 4: Jesus was born today or he died today.

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Speaker 2: He was born, so they say, I'm.

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Speaker 1: So excited about Christmas. Guys, I am such a holiday person.

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of gifts under my tree though,

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Speaker 1: because I have poopsies and woopsies and ooopsies coming my way,

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Speaker 1: so I've got to gift them all with their boyfriends.

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Speaker 1: Now they both have boyfriends, and the boyfriends have sleepovers.

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Speaker 1: So my house is turned into basically, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I guess a sex house.

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Speaker 5: I mean, right, is it like it's obviously not separate bedrooms?

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Speaker 5: Is it leave the door correct?

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not, you know what. I just let everybody

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Speaker 1: do their thing. Everybody just I don't you know what.

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Speaker 2: I'm not the parent.

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Speaker 4: I don't make the rules. There are big girls whatever.

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Speaker 1: When at Chelsea's house, Yeah, yeah, come on over, have

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Speaker 1: a good time. By the way, I have like eight

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't have enough rooms, so people are going to

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Speaker 2: I gotta tell you. Instead of an air mattress.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you have these, but Coleman makes

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean I have the space, it's just that

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Speaker 1: it's I always have bunk beds, always in every house,

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Speaker 1: smart in all of my homes. So who's our guest today? Oh, yes,

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Speaker 1: we have another. One of my favorite actors is on today.

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Speaker 1: She's an actor and a singer and a songwriter. She

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Speaker 1: has two new projects that you could catch her in,

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Speaker 1: the show Wayward with May Martin and her new movie

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Speaker 1: Goodbye June Wherein. They're both on Netflix. So please welcome

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Speaker 1: Tony Collette. And here we are with Tony Colette. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, one of my favorite people actresses. I love you,

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Speaker 1: and I hope you know how passionately I feel about

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Speaker 1: your I mean, listen, I'm not alone, so I can't

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Speaker 1: claim that I discovered you or I have some special

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Speaker 1: way to see you, because everybody loves you since we

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Speaker 1: first found out about you. I think, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I know, I know. It's such a great introduction.

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Speaker 3: I guess I talk.

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Speaker 1: I can't sup poetically about you. And my introduction to

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Speaker 1: you was Muriel's Wedding, which of course is you know.

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Speaker 1: you have been churning shit out, sister.

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Speaker 3: You have been working your ass off. I've been lucky. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice to be working and it's nice to

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Speaker 3: Wow, that is an incredible introduction. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 3: I am a fan of yours also, as you know,

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Speaker 3: for those who don't know, we do DM each other

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Speaker 3: on Instagram. We have a kind of a funny little

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Speaker 3: Whistler because I've read your book and that's where you

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Speaker 3: really really align with much of what you espouse.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we're both very political too.

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Speaker 1: We both are very much about posting and making sure

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Speaker 1: Quitta Tarantino needs to shut the fuck up. What isn't

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Speaker 3: He's pretty weird? And also, Paul is incredibly talented and

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Speaker 3: screening at Sundance next month. Oh, that's so cool. That

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Speaker 3: What was that movie that he did with Patricia? That

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Speaker 3: you need to see Paul Dano in that movie.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of reminds me of The Staircase, Tony.

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Speaker 1: Oh, actually it's as bucked up as the Staircase.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you just say I would love you too. Actually,

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Speaker 1: You know, it could have been him, or it could

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Speaker 4: Yeah right, So wasn't a bunch of birds. It was

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Speaker 1: She either she got attacked by an owl that led

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Speaker 1: There's a scene where Tony's in the kitchen, her characters

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Speaker 3: But so it's just cooking, just cooking it up and

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Speaker 3: I mean, I was so petrified about doing that, and

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Speaker 1: You know, actually eat ass, right, you know what? You

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Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, I didn't know that that was called felching.

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Speaker 3: You didn't know what it was like what I actually

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Speaker 1: this is our summer. But it was majestic, tony, like

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Speaker 1: We took this boat and you're going and they see

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Speaker 3: It's like a land mass. You know. They're not like

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Speaker 1: I can totally relate. That's how I feel about Whistler

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Speaker 1: So you have two projects that we're talking about, because

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Speaker 1: They do a podcast, Handsome Pod with two friends of mine,

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Speaker 4: Tell us about how you got involved in that project.

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Speaker 3: And it ended up being the most profound experience, really

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Speaker 3: Why do you think it was such a profound experience

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious to know how you say yes to projects,

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Speaker 4: Mean you've played every I mean that you're playing a

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Speaker 4: Let me get get a snack for him, get a biscuit.

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Speaker 5: Well, while she's doing that, I wanted to ask your

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Speaker 3: At first, I really didn't quite know how to place her.

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Speaker 3: And then we're working with a brilliant director Aeroslyn, who

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Speaker 3: And I think the people involved were just lovely, you know.

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Speaker 3: Place mortified by me? Now okay, sorry, sorry I turned up.

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Speaker 4: Who is the person that identifies that?

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Speaker 6: Is it you? No?

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Speaker 3: Well? I ask, I'm like, have I fucked it? Am?

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Speaker 3: I am? I? Way too? Have I? What am I doing?

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Speaker 3: Where am I pitching it? Somebody tell me something because

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you also have a movie that I just watched.

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Speaker 1: It's called Goodbye June. You watched it, Yeah, of course,

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Speaker 1: very much, so very exciting.

435
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:30,760
Speaker 3: She's in it.

436
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 1: Andrea Riseborough, who's fucking awesome, is in it, and Helen

437
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:35,920
Speaker 1: Mirren is in it.

438
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 3: Dame Helen Mirren, I said, Andrews a firecracker. She's got

439
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,200
Speaker 3: some of the best lines in the movies, like if

440
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,159
Speaker 3: you don't stop clicking that fucking pen, I'm going to

441
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 3: punch that cock off your body. Like she's so angry. Oh,

442
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,879
Speaker 3: but there's so much hurt underneath it, which is the

443
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 3: great thing about the writing all the characters. It's so

444
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 3: funny because you know, you grow up under the same

445
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 3: roof and you have the same experiences, and then you

446
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 3: just turn out so so differently to each other. Siblings

447
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 3: are just so diverse and have these similar experiences, but

448
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 3: just like they're so different, so I play the kind

449
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 3: of woo woo. I guess I felt like potentially I

450
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 3: was roped into being a third parent because I was

451
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 3: the eldest child. Everything felt too en mesh. So I

452
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 3: just move away, and I'm this journeying woman on a

453
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 3: kind of you know, an experience of searching out, seeking

454
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 3: things and trying to become one with the cosmos. Constantly

455
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 3: wears crystals in her bra and has an alternative lifestyle

456
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 3: and is into that kind of thing, which I love

457
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 3: because I just appreciate people who have the guts to

458
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 3: just basically be themselves and live an authentic life. It

459
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 3: makes my stomach feel relaxed, because when you have a

460
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 3: guessing game with people, it's two anxiety inducing. So I

461
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 3: absolutely love my character so colorful. I hated taking her

462
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,679
Speaker 3: costume off at the end. I didn't want to let go,

463
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 3: and I just didn't want to let go of it

464
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 3: because it was an amazing experience. So Andrew's character is

465
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 3: really really fucking angry at Kate Winslet's character. They were

466
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 3: really tight Kate. All she did as Julia was grow

467
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 3: up and leave home, and Andrea felt abandoned and has

468
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 3: been carrying around all kinds of resentment ever since. And

469
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 3: then Johnny Flynn, the wonderful Johnny Flynn, who plays our

470
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 3: younger brother, the baby in the family, Connor still lives

471
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 3: at home, kind of can't get his shit together, you know,

472
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,199
Speaker 3: low self esteem, not much confidence, a bit like, you know,

473
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 3: just can't get going in life. And then Helen Miren

474
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 3: plays the matriarch of the family, our beautiful mother who

475
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 3: is nearing her death, and we all come together to

476
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 3: help her move into this next state of existence, the

477
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 3: ultimate change, the big transition. Our dad is played by

478
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 3: the wonderful Timothy's Ball and man, it was just the best.

479
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 3: Kate is an incredible director. I don't I didn't ever

480
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 3: doubt it. First of all, let me say I had

481
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 3: always wanted to work with her. You do interviews and

482
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,239
Speaker 3: always get asked who's the top of your bucketst who

483
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 3: would you want to work with? And I always said

484
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 3: Kate because I just find that her choices are incredible.

485
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 3: You don't see her. It's completely honest, and she has

486
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 3: such integrity, and she's so grounded and real, and I

487
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 3: felt like I knew her. We had this mutual friend.

488
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 3: And now honestly I feel like she's my sister, like

489
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 3: we were always meant to be in this kind of

490
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 3: familial kind of relationship with each other. I absolutely adore

491
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 3: her and she created the most incredible atmosphere on set.

492
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 3: It was just so freeing and full of trust, and

493
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 3: it felt so safe. I mean, they're navigating possibly, well

494
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 3: maybe one of the most challenging experiences that we actually

495
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 3: all will face, and it's you know, there are some

496
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 3: really big, vulnerable scenes, and it just felt like we

497
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 3: could try anything, and we all gave it our all.

498
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 3: It was a very very special experience that none of

499
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 3: us wanted to let go. And we're still like on

500
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 3: a family chat. You know, most of us are in

501
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 3: New York here and we don't we don't want to

502
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 3: say goodbye as the movie goes off into the world.

503
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 3: But it's a beautiful story about family and yes it's

504
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 3: about loss, and yes you will definitely need your Kleenex,

505
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 3: but you will laugh as well. It's so relatable and

506
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: you know, there are some zingers in there. It's it's

507
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 3: a it's an uplifting, kind of heartwarming, life affirming story.

508
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 3: It's very very special.

509
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: It is it's funny what you say about you know,

510
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 1: growing up and having a different experience. I know, there's

511
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: Gabor Mattee or.

512
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love him, He's incredible.

513
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 1: He always talks about that because I always look at

514
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 1: because I'm one of sex.

515
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 3: I always look like my god, waity fool. Sorry, young

516
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: of course you're the baby. I'm the eldest. Very different

517
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 3: experience of how many tony only three? Only three?

518
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: But it runs in threes, like if you've read have

519
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: you read birth order or the sibling effect or birth order?

520
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 3: No, but I do subscribe to those ideas. Yeah, I

521
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 3: will read them. Actually, it goes in threes.

522
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: It's like oldest, middle, youngest, and then repeat, repeat, repeat

523
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: with that, it's a.

524
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: Sandwich, right, sandwich, sandwich sandwich.

525
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: Because I'm always like, listen, there's nobody else in the

526
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: world that knows what happened in our house besides my

527
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters, and we're all like yeah, like we

528
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: make a reference and we're like, yeah, we didn't get picked.

529
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,959
Speaker 4: Up on time either. Our car our house was embarrassing.

530
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: My dad had used cars strewn throughout the driveway. My

531
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 1: mom never went to any like public facing school, Like

532
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: she wouldn't come to a play or a softball game

533
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: or a conference.

534
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 4: She just couldn't handle the other parents.

535
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 3: She's probably just overwhelmed and exhausted having had six children.

536
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,239
Speaker 3: I think I'm going to take a bath while you're

537
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 3: all out. She need some lexapro, I think, and she

538
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 3: forgot to get it. So I think that was the

539
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 3: main ingredient. But it is interesting watching this movie.

540
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: Goodbye Junia was very much about family dynamics and very

541
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: relatable to anybody who has brothers or sisters, especially during

542
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: that time, because the everyone has a different reaction to

543
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: what's going on, and some people can deal with the

544
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: reality of the situation, whereas others are in complete denial

545
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: of the situation.

546
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody handles grief differently. There are no rules, and

547
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: actually I think it's something that should teach in school.

548
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 3: We don't know how to do it, and it's going

549
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 3: to happen to all of us, you know, chaos. Family

550
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 3: is chaos at times, and it's gorgeously so. And there

551
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 3: are just these very real moments that are fucking completely heartbreaking.

552
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 3: And if I'm here in London, I couldn't. I've seen

553
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 3: the movie. I was there. I know what's happening. I

554
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 3: was the last person to leave the cinema. I was

555
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 3: like racked. My body was convulsing. I was crying so much.

556
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 3: It just is very very powerful for a very intimate,

557
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: very quick shoot, very kind of probably on the page

558
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: seemed like a small story, but it's dealing with the

559
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 3: biggest thing death, life, life and death and love and

560
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 3: family like all of it. It's all of it.

561
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: I remember that his reaction in this movie reminded me

562
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: when my mom passed away.

563
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 3: My dad. We were all in the room.

564
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: We were in a hospice and my dad was sitting

565
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: there and you know, we knew her she had passed,

566
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: and like we're all just kind of together, and my

567
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: dad said, I got to go show a car to

568
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: a client, like some some random and like we all

569
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: looked up at him and we just had no reaction.

570
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: We were like okay, okay. And then he goes and

571
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: I need a suit for the funeral, and so can

572
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: one of you do something? And we're like yeah, And

573
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: then he laughed, and I was like, I wonder what

574
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: happens to him when he gets in his car. And

575
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: then my sister's like, he's not our problem right now.

576
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: But it's so true that men's and women's reactions to

577
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: things are so it can be so surprising, but then

578
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: once you see it, you understand the.

579
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: All process things differently, and there needs to be room

580
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 3: for that, and maybe there needs to be a bigger,

581
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 3: more accepting conversation around it, because in the West we

582
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 3: don't really We kind of shy away from it, almost

583
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 3: as if it's to be like, oh no, that's you know,

584
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 3: pretending it's not gonna happen. It's gonna happen. Can't get

585
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 3: out alive. Maybe this is a healing film. Maybe it'll

586
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: start great conversations about being more And actually, when I

587
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 3: was younger, I was really angry at life. I was

588
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: I was like, this is a this is a fucking

589
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 3: mean joke. What is going on? What are we doing here?

590
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 3: And it took a very long time for me to

591
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 3: accept and appreciate the mystery of life. But I think

592
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: once you have the context of life, you appreciate it more.

593
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, it helped me live more fully or something.

594
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: I don't know. And what do you think gave you

595
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 3: the context of life? Life itself? I think you get

596
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 3: given everything you need eventually. I like that, I know

597
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 3: you did that show. Who do you think you are right? Oh, yes,

598
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 3: I did. Yeah, I did that show too. How you

599
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: when did you do it? Oh years ago? Probably fifteen

600
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 3: years ago? Oh wow, okay, yeah, yeah I did in

601
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: Australia obviously that's where I'm from, and I was like, oh,

602
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 3: this is amazing. It's going to go back generations. It

603
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 3: went to my grandparents, like two generations. Well you are

604
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 3: from Australia, so but it's colonized. I mean, we're Irish

605
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 3: and apparently you know, there was a big journey to

606
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 3: get there. But it was incredibly moving. It was just

607
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: not what I expected. You know, It's like there's a

608
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: lot of trauma in there. Yeah.

609
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 5: Were there any surprises, Well, my dad's dad is not

610
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 5: who was told he was.

611
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 6: Oh oh wow.

612
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 3: My dad did a a a DNA test with his

613
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 3: brother who was alive at the time, and found out

614
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 3: that his dad was not his dad, which he'd always

615
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: kind of questioned. We still don't know for sure who

616
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: my Nuan had a fling with, but I kind of

617
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 3: felt really impressed with her too. Yeah. She just clearly

618
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 3: wasn't happy and found happiness elsewhere. And my dad and

619
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 3: I are alive because of that. I am your her joy.

620
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 3: You know, it's a good way to look at it.

621
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's way more complicated than that, but that's okay.

622
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: It's nice. Every story is the love story at some point,

623
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 3: I agree.

624
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,479
Speaker 4: Okay, we're going to take a break and then we're

625
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 4: gonna come back with callers.

626
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: We have people calling you.

627
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about this. Okay, right back with Tony Collatt.

628
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: Cheers and we're back with Tony Colat.

629
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 4: Okay, Catherine, what do we have going on today?

630
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 5: Well, our first question comes from Rachel, and I thought

631
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 5: you might have some insight into this, having gone through

632
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 5: the preteen ages with a couple of year kids. So

633
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 5: she says, dear Chelsea, I'm an American living in Mexico.

634
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 5: Not those idiots who move here to avoid paying taxes

635
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 5: or create travel Mexico tiktoks. I moved here over ten

636
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 5: years ago to work at an NGO that helps low

637
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 5: income families actually leave poverty.

638
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: Incredible person right there.

639
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 5: Anyway, about three months into living here, I met my

640
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 5: husband and now we have two kids, an eleven year

641
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 5: old girl and a five year old boy.

642
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: The eleven year old is.

643
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 5: From a previous relationship. Quite the telenovella, which is a

644
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 5: whole other story. But I have been in her life

645
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 5: since she was three months old. His daughter and I

646
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 5: have always been very close, but since my son was

647
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 5: born five years ago, I feel like our relationship has

648
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 5: drastically changed. She's becoming a tween slash preteen, and I

649
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 5: know what comes with the territory, but this feels different.

650
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: She hardly talks to me anymore.

651
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 5: Even if I ask her questions, she will give me

652
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 5: a very short answer or just shrug.

653
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: She's so different with her father.

654
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 5: She's a daddy's girl, so I don't take it personally,

655
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 5: But when he asks the exact same questions, she tells

656
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 5: him everything. I can't help but think she just doesn't

657
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 5: want anything to do with me. I've tried asking her

658
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 5: if she's mad at me or thinking about something else,

659
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 5: and she just brushes it off. I don't know what

660
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 5: to do anymore. My husband hardly helps, saying it's just

661
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 5: a phase. Am I the wicked stepmother that she doesn't

662
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 5: want in her life? Should I just blame it all

663
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 5: on teenage hormones? What do you think I should do

664
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 5: to keep the closeness we used to have? Asta Luego Rachel.

665
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: Oh, I can completely understand that concern specially if it's

666
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: been close. Are you Rachel right there? Yeah, Hello, Hi,

667
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: so nice to meet you. That's too How long has

668
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: this been going on? Sorry? I did was that in

669
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 3: the letter?

670
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 7: So when she was born we had the very close connection,

671
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 7: and then my son was born five years ago, he's

672
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 7: five years old now she's eleven, and that connection kind

673
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 7: of dwindled, like because I think my son was born,

674
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 7: she kind of felt that my motherhood kind of went

675
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 7: to him more than her, and so it's just kind

676
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 7: of been rocky.

677
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: I don't think this is an uncommon story. I'm just

678
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: gonna say that, right, Yeah, Yeah, I think when another

679
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: sibling comes along, it's inevitable in a need to give

680
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: that new person so much more attention, and yeah, the

681
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: existing child can feel somewhat abandoned, right, So you're everything

682
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 3: to them and they get all your attention, and then

683
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 3: there's a split focus. I kind of attend to agree

684
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: with your partner. Life keeps changing, and I think potentially

685
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 3: it really is a phase, and you can help her

686
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: feel safe in the connection again and maybe have someone

687
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 3: on one time together and it will continue to change.

688
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 3: There are so many phases. Yeah, yeah, I.

689
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 4: Have a question. Is she is her mother in the picture?

690
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: Yeah? I was gonna ask that too.

691
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, so her mom lives like five minutes from us.

692
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 7: We have a really good relationship, and so that's kind

693
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 7: of it too, Like I don't want to kind of

694
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 7: force her to call me mom or do those things,

695
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 7: you know, I don't want that to be an issue.

696
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 7: But I also, like there is one thing I was

697
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 7: telling Katherine in the pre interview, like we had a

698
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 7: Mother's Day event at her school, and all of the

699
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 7: kids like wrote their mom's name on her heart and

700
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 7: they like threw it up when they were singing, and

701
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 7: she wrote her mom's name obviously because it's her mom.

702
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 7: But I was hoping like maybe she would turn the

703
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 7: card and have my name on it. And it didn't,

704
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 7: and it was like kind of it was hurt. But

705
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 7: I'm not going to tell her that because those are

706
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 7: my emotions, you know.

707
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 3: No, no, don't put that stuff on her.

708
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: She's eleven years old, so her emotions are just like

709
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: not they're not that sophisticated. She's like coming from like

710
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: you know, fear based and like, so she doesn't have

711
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: abandonment issues, which is why I asked if her mom

712
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: was in the picture. So one more question is she

713
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: what's her relationship like with your five year old?

714
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 7: They're great, Like, they get along super well. She's very

715
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 7: caring for him, kind of like that older sibling who

716
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 7: always wants to make sure he's okay.

717
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 2: So they have a great relationship.

718
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 3: It's really interesting. She has a great relationship with her

719
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: biological mother and the younger kid. Sometimes they feel they

720
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: can express all the shitty, crappy feelings and project it

721
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: onto the person they actually feel the same.

722
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: Tweet, Yeah, that is true.

723
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 4: She is she disrespectful to you or just distant?

724
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 7: No, just distant. And it's like sometimes I've talked to

725
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 7: her mom about it, and her mom's like, she does

726
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 7: it to me too. Sometimes she's just like see see.

727
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 7: And I think because we have her part time when

728
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 7: she's with us, she wants to spend as much time

729
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 7: as she can with her dad, which makes sense. But

730
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 7: I think I need to kind of squeeze in there

731
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 7: and be like, Okay, can I have a day or

732
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 7: two so that her and I can come back and

733
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 7: connect and do stuff together.

734
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: I would say also like back off a little bit

735
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: and let her come to you a little bit more,

736
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: but definitely exploit the.

737
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 4: Relationship between your son and her.

738
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: Make sure that that's a primary focus, so that she

739
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: constantly feels needed you know what I mean, and feels

740
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 1: purposeful in your mind. Like she's probably starting to get

741
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: to an age where she's like, oh, you know, I

742
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: can understand her feeling competitive with a five year old,

743
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: but she's not taking it out on him, and to

744
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: take it out on you is a little strange. So

745
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: you should be available to her, like always make sure.

746
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: But sometimes when people push you away, it's like give

747
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: them double space, not to be childlike or act immature,

748
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: but as it's like, oh, she needs a little space

749
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: right now, let her have her space because it's an

750
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 1: age thing. She's gonna come back around when she needs

751
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: something from you, or she needs advice that maybe she

752
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: can't go to her mother for or something. You know,

753
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: something's gonna happen where she is going to need you.

754
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: But I know, definitely when kids that age are going

755
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: through that emotion that like changing and they're coming into

756
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: their hormones and puberty and all of that shit.

757
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 3: You can't just don't how effective that is. It's big. Yes,

758
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,959
Speaker 3: these really do change for them. This like the whole

759
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 3: world is like a like a moving you know.

760
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 4: Yes, so your job is to really just not take

761
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 4: it personally.

762
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: Like you're an adult and you're the adult in the situation,

763
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: so you need to take it not personally like, oh,

764
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: she's not into me for this period of time in

765
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: her life. It is a phase. It's always a phase.

766
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: Everything in life is a phase. There's nothing permanent.

767
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, just give her extra space and be mindful

768
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: of the case. It's relationship. It's important that she you know,

769
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 3: she's the big sister. She's the one that can make

770
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 3: decisions when you're not around, you know, kind of putting

771
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 3: some responsibility into her hands so she feels really purposeful

772
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: within the family unit.

773
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 7: Okay, No, that's great advice. No, thank you so much.

774
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, great, thanks for taking my question.

775
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 7: You guys, it was great to meet you.

776
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: Love make love lady, see soon, take care bye bye.

777
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 3: That was cute.

778
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: I know she's such a cutie.

779
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 3: That was sweet. Yeah, it's so nice.

780
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: You know, mothers trying to be better mothers, and stepmother

781
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: is trying to be better mothers. I'm out here and

782
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: trying not to get any children. More children in my life,

783
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: So magnet.

784
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 3: There's the reason. The more you say no, the more

785
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 3: they want you. That's very interesting. Yeah, she I mean

786
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: the fact that she's so mindful and caring and wants

787
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 3: to make it grite is beautiful.

788
00:36:55,080 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 5: That's not wicked stepmother energy. She's Yeah, so is Noah.

789
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 5: And he says, Dear Chelsea, my name is Noah and

790
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 5: I'm nineteen years old. I'm not going to say I'm gay,

791
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 5: because you already know that since I listened to this podcast.

792
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 5: You are a badass. I live in a mid sized

793
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 5: town in Maryland. I'm currently a college student studying for

794
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 5: a Bachelor of Fine Arts and Acting. I have dreams

795
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 5: of becoming an actor, and I've always seen myself living

796
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 5: in Los Angeles. The problem is I have an incredibly

797
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 5: close knit family with three younger siblings and two parents

798
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 5: who am very close to I'm a homebody and I've

799
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 5: never really liked to leave home or even sleep away

800
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 5: or really do anything on my own. So my question

801
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 5: for you is how do I prepare to make such

802
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 5: a big move to another coast to fulfill my dreams.

803
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 5: I still have a couple more years of college, so

804
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 5: this isn't an issue that's urgent, But how do I

805
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 5: become independent, self reliant and okay to live so far

806
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 5: away from people I love so much?

807
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 3: Love noah, Oh, how bloody wonderful that you love your

808
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: family so much and there's that connection and support and

809
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 3: that you feel completely cozy with them. A lot of

810
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 3: people want to get.

811
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 6: Out, thank you, thank you very much.

812
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: I left home at nineteen because I just couldn't wait

813
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: to get the fuck out of there.

814
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 4: So my situation is different. I was the youngest, you're

815
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 4: the oldest.

816
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: There's a sense of responsibility that you feel that I

817
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: did not feel. But my drive to become, like wanting

818
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: to start my adult life and become whatever it was

819
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: I was going to become, was paramount to that. So

820
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: it's like you kind of have to you know, A,

821
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: you're not leaving your family. You're not You're never going

822
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: to leave your family. They're here for good. They're locked in.

823
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: So it's just about setting up a life where you

824
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 1: are going to be back and visiting them and coming back.

825
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: If you really are passionate about going after this dream

826
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: of yours, it sounds like you are. I mean, you're

827
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: getting an education for it. Then you have to kind

828
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: of know that, like there's you know, you're going to

829
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: come back for the holidays. They're going to come visit

830
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: you in California. That's going to be exciting for the family.

831
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: And you can stay in touch in a million zillion

832
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: ways right now, you know, on face times and social media.

833
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 3: Oh, it's much hazier now, so so much, so much easier.

834
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: So it's like, look at it not as a dread,

835
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: but as like an adventure, you know, like flip the

836
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: script and be like, this is the beginning of this

837
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: part of my life, and these are the sacrifices I

838
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: have to make. You move to La, You're going to

839
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: meet people, You're going to have exciting things happen there

840
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: immediately because it's so new to you, and you just

841
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: kind of have to get to a place where you're

842
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: ready to make that transition. You don't have to do

843
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: it tomorrow, but you know, if you want to chase

844
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: your dreams, you kind of have to start chasing them.

845
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, And there is something that happens when you go

846
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 5: to you know, somewhere where you're in a creative career,

847
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 5: especially on one of the coasts, where you will find

848
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 5: your chosen family.

849
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 2: It takes a little doing.

850
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 5: It takes like getting out there and meeting new people

851
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 5: and taking classes and you know, getting involved in things.

852
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 5: But you will find a family that feels very close

853
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 5: to you.

854
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: We all find that tribe. Yeah.

855
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you left home early because you went to school early, right,

856
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 1: you didn't even finish school, Tony.

857
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 3: I started acting in high school, Yeah, I did. I did.

858
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of started at singing. I did a musical,

859
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 3: and then the teachers encouraged me to go to like

860
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: a youth theater group. So slowly my world started to open.

861
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: But I mean I wasn't prepared when I did Maurieal's Wedding,

862
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 3: which was only my second film. And I don't come

863
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 3: from like they are creative in their own way. But

864
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 3: everyone's got like, you know, what would be considered regular jobs.

865
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 6: You know.

866
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 3: I'm kind of like my dad's like, this is a miracle.

867
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 3: Then everyone's still pinching themselves at it ever happened, and

868
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 3: there is some kind of I also felt a bit

869
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: guilty for having these incredible experiences, and I was constantly

870
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 3: on the phone to my family, you know, trying to

871
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 3: share the experiences I was having. I think, ultimately, what

872
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 3: you come to realize at some point is that you

873
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: are allowed to have your own life and your own experiences.

874
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 3: And if you are passionate about acting and actually have

875
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 3: that talent and that fire in you, it won't go away.

876
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 3: You just have to follow it. You have to honor it,

877
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 3: because that's the bread crumb on your path that's going

878
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: to lead to all kinds of growth and everything opening.

879
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 3: And it is very much in a venture, and it's

880
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 3: inevitable that you're going to meet new people because you

881
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: have to put yourself into I love traveling. I think

882
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 3: it's the best way to learn. You are put in

883
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 3: situations that are completely unfamiliar. It makes you grow, it

884
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 3: makes you open up. And if you're doing classes, you'll

885
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 3: meet like minded people and creative people. They are just

886
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: more They are open, right, They just want to connecting

887
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: ways that somebody in an office may not. I'm not generalizing,

888
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 3: trying not to generalize, but there's just an openness to

889
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: that field. So I think, you know, allow yourself to

890
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 3: follow the passion. I think really that's all all of

891
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: us can do in life that will lead you to

892
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 3: the right place, that will bring you to the good. Yeah,

893
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 3: when you know what you want to do. That is

894
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: the biggest gift.

895
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how many people you've talked

896
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: to that don't know what they want to do.

897
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 3: But we have a lot of people.

898
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: Call under the podcast that have no idea what their

899
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: passion is and they're looking to find it. So that's

900
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: already you're already ahead of the game by knowing.

901
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you.

902
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: I's so very okay, great, have you got plans? Where

903
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: are you sitting right now with venturing out into the

904
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 3: world away from Maryland?

905
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 6: Good?

906
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 8: I mean, I've always dreamed of going with kind of

907
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 8: far away and being on my own.

908
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 6: But I've always been someone who just is so I'm

909
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 6: so close to.

910
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 3: My mom and it even it won't change, it won't change,

911
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 3: You'll get closer. Actually, distance makes her grow fonder, And

912
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: that's true. Like, you know, I used to hate my parents,

913
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 3: and then I went away and moved to California, and

914
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 3: then the next Christmas, I'm like, I think I love

915
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 3: you guys again. I'll call back.

916
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 4: I just needed a break, you know what I mean.

917
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: So imagine if you already have a strong relationship, it's

918
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: only going to get stronger and and enhance.

919
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 6: More exactly exactly.

920
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 8: I think The other thing that is a little hard

921
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 8: for me is that my my youngest sister is she's five,

922
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 8: and I just she just started in kindergarten and it's

923
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 8: a little hard for her, just like it was hard

924
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 8: for me to leave. And so I'm like such a

925
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 8: part of her experience and wanting to And I know, obviously,

926
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 8: like you said, Chelsea, FaceTime is so amazing, but I

927
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 8: still just feel a little like I I want to

928
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 8: be here for everything, but.

929
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 3: The day to day. Such a sweetheart, You're set. I

930
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 3: appreciate that, darling boy. Yeah, you're you're gonna have the

931
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: timing your bloody life, and you're gonna be a great

932
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: role model for her to get out and do the

933
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 3: same exactly.

934
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 2: You're gonna be the cool older brother.

935
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 5: She can come visit, like maybe even before too long,

936
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 5: my my nieces and nephew started visiting even by themselves

937
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 5: when they were like seven or eight, you know.

938
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: So, and if you live near Disneyland, all the better.

939
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 6: Exactly right, exactly exactly, good.

940
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: Luck with this career, this burning passion. Don't let that

941
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 3: flame go for it. Thank you so much, total pleasure.

942
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 6: Well, I will tell us you you're the best. Thank

943
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 6: you so much.

944
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: Bye, you are the best. By good luck.

945
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 4: He had such a distinctive voice. I was like, right.

946
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. Good voice from.

947
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: Sounded like that. Last week I was doing all these

948
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 3: radio in London to seek. I sounded actually like a

949
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 3: drag queen. I love that sound. I do too.

950
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 4: I'm kind and I have come back. I love it.

951
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 4: I love that.

952
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: I love that voice. I wanted to have it all

953
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 3: the time.

954
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes you get to like I get too high or chirpy,

955
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: and sometimes I hear myself, I'm like, why are you screaming?

956
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 3: You know, because you're excited.

957
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 4: It's okay, I know, I get too excited.

958
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 3: I think need to be excitable.

959
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll take a break and we'll come back with

960
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: one more and then we'll wrap up with Tony.

961
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll take a break. We'll be right back and

962
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: we're bound about to.

963
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: Yay, let's do one more, Catherine, Yeah, all right, Well

964
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: this comes from Izzy and this is just an email,

965
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: so Izzy says, dear Chelsea.

966
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 5: First of all, thanks to you and Catherine for all

967
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 5: your great advice.

968
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 2: You're like the cool older cousin. I get advice from

969
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: way more than my actual family.

970
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 5: And let's just say I made a big life decision recently,

971
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 5: which was easier just.

972
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 2: Imagining the advice you would give. Here's my issue.

973
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 5: I'm forty three. I'm the oldest of four siblings. My

974
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 5: youngest sister is in her mid thirties. My siblings are

975
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 5: all very close and we accept each other for who

976
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 5: we are. That being said, there's a specific issue that

977
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 5: has really started getting on my nerves. My youngest sister

978
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 5: almost never says thank you, from little things like buying

979
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 5: her dinner to not texting me to say thank you

980
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 5: when a gift for her kid arrives. She loves kind

981
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 5: of far away from me. Usually it's easy to let

982
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 5: it go, but recently I made what I felt was

983
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 5: a generous purchase for her, just because I make more

984
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 5: than her. But I didn't get so much as a

985
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 5: thank you. I know it's not her problem how I feel,

986
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 5: but I felt like it was just expected when what

987
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 5: I felt with what I did was above and beyond.

988
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 5: She's always been the classic baby of the family. I

989
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 5: know there's gratitude in her heart, and maybe her ADHD

990
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 5: makes it harder to remember to say something, But I

991
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 5: want to know from you, as somebody who's generous with

992
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 5: her family, How would you handle this? Am I being

993
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 5: too nitpicky to sit down and use an eye statement

994
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 5: and request just as simple thank you?

995
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 2: Would love to hear your take.

996
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 3: Is he No?

997
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: I think that's general, Like it's funny if that here

998
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: we go again with the same families. You know, same parents,

999
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: you grow up in the same family, and you have

1000
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: different habits.

1001
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: But I think.

1002
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: Please and thank you are major criteria that are necessary

1003
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: for people. And that's your sister, so it shouldn't be

1004
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: an issue to go, Hey, I've definitely said stuff to

1005
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: my family about saying please and thank you.

1006
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 4: And it's not that you're doing it to get to

1007
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 4: thank you.

1008
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: It's kind of just like good practice to thank people

1009
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: for generous things or gifts, even small things.

1010
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 3: It's nice to say thank you.

1011
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 2: It's good manners.

1012
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: I totally agree. Yeah, And it sounds like that you'll

1013
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 3: really have great relationships and this is just kind of

1014
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 3: slowly been mounting within you. It's a fine line, right,

1015
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: because if you are a generous person, I think you

1016
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 3: kind of have to give without expecting, without expecting anything back.

1017
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: To be honest, giving is about giving. But I can

1018
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: understand that you might want to have some like you

1019
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: don't also don't want to be taken advantage of, so

1020
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: they might be a little boundary there that needs to

1021
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 3: be set or clarified. Yeah, I think certainly reminder.

1022
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, this is something I would put in

1023
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: writing rather than say to someone. But putting in writing

1024
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: alone just makes it feel heftier. But sometimes it gives

1025
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: people more room to actually digest the information because it's

1026
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: written down in a sweet little email, like if you

1027
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: wrote her or center an email and said, Hey, you

1028
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 1: know you're my sister.

1029
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 3: I love you.

1030
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: I'm always going to be doing nice little things for you.

1031
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: But I've noticed a couple of times where I've gone

1032
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: out of my way for you and I haven't even

1033
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: gotten a thank you, And that kind of feels like,

1034
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: either maybe you don't want things from me, and if

1035
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: it could.

1036
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 3: Be that I was thinking that as well. Some people

1037
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 3: that's uncomfortable with receiving no matter who it's from, right,

1038
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 3: and so they don't know how to respond because it's

1039
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 3: overwhelming to be spoiled in a way. I don't know

1040
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 3: what was given, did we talk about?

1041
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 5: What was she didn't say. I think she's trying to

1042
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 5: keep it anonymous.

1043
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.

1044
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: But if you bring that up in the thing, if

1045
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: you say that in your email, like listen, maybe I'm

1046
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: going to stop. Yeah, maybe you don't want these things

1047
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: for me. It puts it off of you and the

1048
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: thank you more and it gives her the opportunity because

1049
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: maybe she doesn't want gives herm you, but it gives

1050
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: her the opportunity to go, oh god, ay if she does,

1051
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: she's gonna be like, no, I'm so sorry, I do

1052
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: I don't even realize I'm.

1053
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 3: Not SAYINGBABLY don't even realize it. I'm sure she does it.

1054
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1055
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 3: So she'll probably be mortified.

1056
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: I definitely would say something. It's your sister. You can

1057
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: say anything to your sister. You know, even if they

1058
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: get mad, it's going to be okay in a couple

1059
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: of days, you know, based on the close knit relationship

1060
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: you have. But definitely, I mean, these are manners people

1061
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: need to have. Please and thank you are kind of

1062
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: the two most important, you know, phrases in the English language.

1063
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 3: To add to what you were saying, if you make

1064
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: it more about making her feel comfortable and it's less

1065
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 3: about how disgruntled do you feel and just like, I

1066
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 3: just I don't want to overstep the mark. Is it

1067
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 3: okay that I did that? You know, I just didn't

1068
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: hear back like it's kind of down in a way,

1069
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 3: very generous way and making sure that they're okay with it. Yeah, yeah,

1070
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 3: rather than feeling a bit jilted.

1071
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: I know, I don't feel comfort we'll getting gifts. I'm

1072
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: always just like, oh god, you know, like I don't

1073
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: know why.

1074
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 3: I try and compliment me.

1075
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: Right, Its exactly right, right, right, right right, but yes,

1076
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: definitely say something and put it on the gift giving

1077
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: and we we sorted that problem out.

1078
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 3: Okay.

1079
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: Well, you can see Tony's latest works on Netflix. Everything

1080
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: she's doing on Netflix on Netflix right now, so I'm

1081
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: sure there's going to be more to come. But Wayward

1082
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: is the series that you should watch with May Martin

1083
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: who created.

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Speaker 3: Created, produced, stars in produce, started everything but directed.

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Speaker 1: And also make sure you check out Goodbye June, which

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Speaker 1: is beautiful film also on Netflix. Tony, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for your time today, Absolutely hanging out with you,

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Speaker 1: and I can't wait to do.

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Speaker 3: It in person. I really can't person what today is

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Speaker 3: going to be, but I'm really happy to see you,

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Speaker 3: and I hope you have a beautiful holiday season up

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Speaker 3: there in Whistler. And I just love what you do.

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Speaker 3: You make people feel great. How brilliant that people feel

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Speaker 3: so comfortable and write into you about like these kind

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Speaker 3: of personal dilemmas that they have that really says something

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Speaker 3: about you. Actually, Oh, thank you. I love doing it.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love giving it unsolicited advice, so I may as

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Speaker 1: well be solicited.

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Speaker 3: I kind of love it as well. I think I

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Speaker 3: see other people more clearly than I see myself. Well, actually,

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Speaker 3: I've grown into seeing myself more clearly, and so you.

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Speaker 1: But we all do. We all see everybody else like

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Speaker 1: it's everything's a mirror, right, Yeah? And who better to

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Speaker 1: give advice than someone that has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: your problems?

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Speaker 3: Totally objective yep. Yeah, this is a total pleasure. I'm

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Speaker 3: so happy to see you and so lovely to meet you,

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Speaker 3: and thanks for having men and enjoy life. See you

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Speaker 3: twenty two. Happy holidays, Tony.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, likewise, enjoy yeah, hie. I just announced all my

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Speaker 1: tour dates. It's called the High and Mighty Tour. I

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Speaker 1: will be touring from February through June, so go get

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Speaker 1: your tickets now. If you want good seats and you

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Speaker 1: want to come see me perform, I will be on

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Speaker 1: the whole h and mighty toour Do.

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