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Speaker 1: I never told you protection of I Heart Radio. Annie.

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Speaker 1: I've had a question for you. Did you play the

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Speaker 1: this episode? No, I forgot. I downloaded it, I meant

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Speaker 1: to and then completely forgot. But I do want to

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Speaker 1: So today's episode is centered around a phone game, and

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Speaker 1: or you know, just the issues within the gaming world.

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Speaker 1: The fact of the matter is that I don't play

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Speaker 1: I know any you can attest to this as we

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Speaker 1: have played Mario Karton many times, and while you and

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Speaker 1: Though you've you've won several times, Mario Parties a little

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Speaker 1: the last time, you actually kept getting the double stars,

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Speaker 1: and I was very upset with clearly got some issues around. Yes,

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