Speaker 1: Wind down and podcast. Okay, so I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to start this. There's a lot going on right now. Um.
Speaker 1: We actually had something else airing today. Um, but it
Speaker 1: was it just didn't feel right to have what we
Speaker 1: were going to air today air. It just wasn't relevant.
Speaker 1: Well it was thought that it wasn't relevant. It just
Speaker 1: it just didn't feel right to you know, because yeah,
Speaker 1: so it just was like, so let me just rewind
Speaker 1: like ten hours. So I know, we talked about it
Speaker 1: the other day Mike, where I said, I obviously with
Speaker 1: everything going on with George Floyd and the other events
Speaker 1: that had happened this past few months and forever, honestly,
Speaker 1: but this is where I just get where I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's so hard to even say the right thing. But
Speaker 1: I just felt really heavy in the heart, and I
Speaker 1: I was talking to you yesterday, but yesterday I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how to find words
Speaker 1: to say what I even want to say. And I
Speaker 1: deleted about a thousand different times. I mean all day
Speaker 1: I was just on my phone trying to find the
Speaker 1: right words. I'm like, no, that won't that, that's not it,
Speaker 1: or no, or it's gonna know that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: misinterpreted or no, and I just just deleted and I
Speaker 1: kept saying. I was like, what can I say that
Speaker 1: because I don't know what to say? And so you
Speaker 1: had said, couldn't be more generic? Yeah, just general, because
Speaker 1: I was shocked that you were getting d m s
Speaker 1: of people giving you ship for not saying anything, and
Speaker 1: it's it's that frustrated me. So I was just like,
Speaker 1: all right, if you're getting flat or not say anything,
Speaker 1: just keep it. Yeah general and generic. We're we're all
Speaker 1: human beings. Is just treat each other like human beings.
Speaker 1: So I said that, but then it still didn't feel right.
Speaker 1: Something still felt heavy, and it just didn't feel right.
Speaker 1: So I then today at the pool called Mickey because
Speaker 1: I've known Mickey guy in for Mickey, how long have
Speaker 1: we known each other for through for at least five
Speaker 1: six years now? Yeah? Yeah, So I called Mickey because
Speaker 1: I just, first of all, I love Mickey. I've loved
Speaker 1: her forever. Hey, I wanted to see how she was
Speaker 1: doing and be I also want to say I want
Speaker 1: to support you, but I don't know how, Like what
Speaker 1: am I supposed to say so that you feel supported
Speaker 1: and that she feels supported as an ever an American. Yes,
Speaker 1: and it makes it makes me sad because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I want you to know that I'm like here for you,
Speaker 1: but I don't know how. I'm sorry. This isn't about
Speaker 1: like I feel stupid and crying, but like it made
Speaker 1: me sad because sorry, I feel bad that I don't
Speaker 1: know how to support you. And so I called because
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, like, I don't even know what
Speaker 1: to say because I feel like this, you know, essentially
Speaker 1: quote unquote a white privileged little girl, white girl, Like
Speaker 1: what can I say to you to make you feel
Speaker 1: like I'm here for you? And I've I've seen all
Speaker 1: the like I'm here for you. I'm not black, but
Speaker 1: I'm here for you. I'm not, but I'm like I
Speaker 1: something just still felt disconnected. So I was like, I
Speaker 1: just want to call Mickey to be like, what, like
Speaker 1: what do I say that you will feel like like
Speaker 1: is it even words? Like I don't even have the words,
Speaker 1: and so I'm sorry, I don't like it's just like
Speaker 1: I don't. I just feel like I'm at a loss
Speaker 1: really of what to say that like I can support
Speaker 1: like so here Vicky talk. Sorry, no, um there is,
Speaker 1: without question, injustice happening in America against black people. And
Speaker 1: it's been happening since before we were even a thought
Speaker 1: it was. It's been happening since before our parents or
Speaker 1: even a thought. This systemic racism is literally in all
Speaker 1: of our DNA for things that we may have had
Speaker 1: nothing to do with, but it is in. It is
Speaker 1: alive and well. Today. Black men are mistreated and disregarded,
Speaker 1: and people are they are feared. They can't walk down
Speaker 1: a street without everyone holding onto their purse. They can't
Speaker 1: walk in a grocery store or any kind of retail
Speaker 1: store without checking themselves to make sure that people don't
Speaker 1: think that they're stealing. This is so, this is their
Speaker 1: life that they live all of the time. All of
Speaker 1: the videos that you are seeing of black men getting
Speaker 1: killed in the streets by policemen and hated by everybody,
Speaker 1: it's been happening. We just now have phones, and we're
Speaker 1: armed with phones two broadcast the injustices and the hate
Speaker 1: that they're experiencing on a daily basis. And I know
Speaker 1: you feel bad. There's a lot of us feeling bad.
Speaker 1: We all feel bad. There. If you don't feel bad,
Speaker 1: you don't have a heart because this is real. We're
Speaker 1: seeing it and we can't deny it anymore. And we're
Speaker 1: all so charged because we don't want this to be
Speaker 1: that way anymore, and we must remember and and take
Speaker 1: a moment to be grateful for that. There is way
Speaker 1: more love than there is hate. There are so many
Speaker 1: people denouncing and protesting against racism, and I understand. I'm
Speaker 1: sure a lot of my white brothers and sisters don't
Speaker 1: know what to say. So a lot of times, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you've seen we've all seen these killings four years
Speaker 1: and I'm sure five six years ago when you were
Speaker 1: seeing the murders of a lot of other black men,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you thought about I need to post something,
Speaker 1: I need to say something, But isn't my place. So
Speaker 1: I'm telling everybody it is your place to stand up
Speaker 1: and openly denounced racism. Period. And everybody says that all
Speaker 1: lives matter, and that is absolutely true, all lives do matter,
Speaker 1: but right now, black and brown lives do not matter.
Speaker 1: And until black and brown lives really matter, all lives
Speaker 1: don't matter. It's that simple, and so you can't say
Speaker 1: all lives matter. I see a lot of people saying that,
Speaker 1: and It's true all lives matter, but they don't right now.
Speaker 1: They don't. Right now, we saw a man get murdered
Speaker 1: in calling for his mother. And if people only ever
Speaker 1: only knew what I've personally seen. I have seen in
Speaker 1: vent Tura County, California, cops come to my home, take
Speaker 1: my husband, throw him to the ground, tell him he's
Speaker 1: not a lawyer. Tell people that is not our jag
Speaker 1: parked in the neighborhood, being the only black people in
Speaker 1: that neighborhood. I have seen the injustice myself, and after
Speaker 1: seeing that, I would then have to go on a
Speaker 1: stage and sing and act like everything's okay. And I
Speaker 1: have absolutely saying on a stage and someone has called
Speaker 1: me the N word, and I've just acted like it's
Speaker 1: okay because that was just the way life is. I
Speaker 1: expected that, because that's been the lot of my life
Speaker 1: since I was born with this skin. And we're all
Speaker 1: awake now, we all see it, and we are upset.
Speaker 1: And I know for a fact, and country music, I
Speaker 1: have so many good hearted, loving people that are not racist.
Speaker 1: But it is not enough to be quietly non racist.
Speaker 1: We all have to be openly non racist and shame
Speaker 1: anybody that fills. Otherwise, if you love Jesus, if you
Speaker 1: say that you love Jesus, then you cannot be a racist, period.
Speaker 1: And there you have it, well, said Nicky, I ask
Speaker 1: you this. Unfortunately, it's like, you know, people that are
Speaker 1: are racist, people that are whether a police officers, whether
Speaker 1: it's in business, whether it fans at your Shaw show
Speaker 1: who disrespect you in that way, whether it's the police
Speaker 1: officers that came and grabbed your husband, those people, if
Speaker 1: their actions are showing that they're there, you know, biased
Speaker 1: towards certain races and prejudice towards certain races. M with
Speaker 1: all of the rioting, with the protests and everything. And
Speaker 1: this may be naive to me to ask to even
Speaker 1: stay this might be ignorant on my part, but it's
Speaker 1: what's what's the end result? Because people are racist, this
Speaker 1: is only fueling their racism. People that that aren't racist,
Speaker 1: we're already not racist. So what so the one thing
Speaker 1: I will say it does is for people that haven't
Speaker 1: had to experience that, For people who are white or
Speaker 1: Caucasian or even African American that haven't had to experience
Speaker 1: but most likely have witnessed maybe those things. Sure it
Speaker 1: awakes society up. That's like, hey, just a reminder, this
Speaker 1: ship is still going on, y'all. Like it's not the sixties,
Speaker 1: it's you know, two thousand twenty, and it's still going on,
Speaker 1: you know, sixty years later or whatever it is, Yes,
Speaker 1: six years later. I have a I have a great
Speaker 1: example for you. Think of a dog and the sweet, innocent,
Speaker 1: loving dog, and imagine punching that dog over and over
Speaker 1: and over again, slapping that dog, pushing him around, disregarding him,
Speaker 1: not feeding him, not showing him any love. And then
Speaker 1: the one time you touch him, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he bites you back. And what happens to that dog?
Speaker 1: Most likely he's going to get put down. So I
Speaker 1: do not condone looting and destroying property. I do not
Speaker 1: condone it whatsoever. But there are people who have seen
Speaker 1: that are and the lowest communities like Corona is affecting
Speaker 1: the black community, And as soon as everybody found that out,
Speaker 1: it was like the oh, well, why are we even
Speaker 1: staying outside right now? So these people, there are way
Speaker 1: more people that are trying to peacefully protests, and those
Speaker 1: are the ones that you need to pay attention to.
Speaker 1: Those are the ones that truly want justice, and yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. And it's just it just sucks because it's
Speaker 1: this is only these kind of when it gets to
Speaker 1: the looting and rioting, it only segregates us even more.
Speaker 1: It only separates us even more because again, your your people.
Speaker 1: The people that are doing it in an inappropriate manner,
Speaker 1: whether they're African, American, white has been, whoever it is,
Speaker 1: are just fueling racism and segregation. So and you can say,
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to interject before you keep talking
Speaker 1: because it doesn't sound good. Looting and writing has been
Speaker 1: learned from the slave days. This is historically what we
Speaker 1: have seen people due to black people. If you really
Speaker 1: study black history, which I have, think about all those lynchings,
Speaker 1: think about all those people laughing and not even considering
Speaker 1: people as human. We learned that from white people. That
Speaker 1: it's history. This is four hundred years of oppression. And
Speaker 1: by the way, this is supposed to be a you know,
Speaker 1: this is to gain knowledge and to gain you know,
Speaker 1: there's I have some questions to you that some podcasts
Speaker 1: listeners want us to answer to. And this is just
Speaker 1: too because you know, yeah, this is just like gaining knowledge.
Speaker 1: So I don't want you to like because this is
Speaker 1: just that uncomfortable situation, or we don't even know, Like
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to be like no, I I
Speaker 1: think like I want you to knowledge, give us knowledge,
Speaker 1: because you know we sit here in our we don't
Speaker 1: we didn't, we didn't have the same battles and struggles.
Speaker 1: And you have to think about it. But when we're
Speaker 1: high school and in college, we only learn the small
Speaker 1: little pieces of black history. It's almost glossed over. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like Martin Luther King, Malcolm X Rosa Parks, you know,
Speaker 1: the civil civil rights movement, but you don't really dig
Speaker 1: into to what actually happened to some of these people.
Speaker 1: There were slaves, pregnant women that were raped, beaten, had
Speaker 1: their babies cut out of their stomachs, and we had
Speaker 1: to watch their baby get stumped on. That is in
Speaker 1: history books. But you could say the same thing for
Speaker 1: like the Jewish culture, right, yeah, but why isn't the
Speaker 1: Jewish culture they have just as many, if not, you know,
Speaker 1: reasons to feel oppressed. Maybe not so maybe not so
Speaker 1: much in America. But it's look at their skin color
Speaker 1: though that doesn't matter, That didn't matter when they were
Speaker 1: going through what they're going through. It didn't matter their religion,
Speaker 1: was there was their skin color essentially. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: just I guess what's unfortunate, and I'm not obviously I
Speaker 1: respect everything you're saying. My only and my the pessimism
Speaker 1: in my mind is just thinking, well, ship, when does
Speaker 1: this end? If it's about being oppressed for four years
Speaker 1: and this ship is still going on, when will it
Speaker 1: ever end? Will it ever? Yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know either. And the way
Speaker 1: that the way things are going, it doesn't ask anybody
Speaker 1: around the world, even Jewish people. Essentially, I'm gonna ask you,
Speaker 1: would you want to grow up in the world as
Speaker 1: a black person? Would you want to I'm trying to
Speaker 1: choose my words because I don't want to minimize what
Speaker 1: the black culture does have to go through. Like our
Speaker 1: child does not have to worry about playing with a
Speaker 1: toy gun. Ja's does not have to worry about a
Speaker 1: toy gun. And that's where it gets me as a
Speaker 1: mom to be like, Okay, that's where I kind of
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's not kind of. That's where I
Speaker 1: get it. Where it's like Jason can run around with
Speaker 1: a toy gun, without someone shooting at him. Right. But
Speaker 1: to answer your question, no, I wouldn't have a problem
Speaker 1: with it. But again, the grass is the grass may
Speaker 1: seem greener, right, So I can't say because I haven't
Speaker 1: experienced it. I'm sure there's African Americans who haven't experienced
Speaker 1: any of that. Yeah, maybe their parents have, but I
Speaker 1: get you. I bet you there's kids that maybe haven't.
Speaker 1: Are you saying that's not you're telling me there's not
Speaker 1: one African American that hasn't that has gone through life
Speaker 1: and hasn't experienced, you know, having living without having experienced racially.
Speaker 1: Your best friend is Jason, He's an African American. Has
Speaker 1: have you ever asked him that question? And by the way,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, yeah, I mean, we haven't talked about
Speaker 1: it in a long time, but I haven't He's never
Speaker 1: expressed any of that to me. But I mean, so again,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that playing the odds, I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: there's somebody out there that hasn't been subjected to nicky
Speaker 1: you're saying there, you know, honestly, it's this conversation is
Speaker 1: very heavy for me, and to hear someone say that,
Speaker 1: I highly doubt that all black people haven't experienced some
Speaker 1: form of racism or oppression. It's just a numbers game.
Speaker 1: It's not a racial games in numbers game. I'm going
Speaker 1: to have to get off of this call. You cannot
Speaker 1: say those things. You cannot Where am I saying this disrespectful?
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is that there's a there's a possibility.
Speaker 1: Is there a possibility? You know what? I got that,
Speaker 1: I got it, I've figured it out. I don't approve
Speaker 1: this at all. I don't approve this. Um I I
Speaker 1: talked to Mickey, UM well, I think what really hurt
Speaker 1: her is when you said you can't say I highly
Speaker 1: doubt all black people have experienced racism and expect me
Speaker 1: to want to sit there for that. Yeah, And I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, I think I even saw the look on
Speaker 1: your entries face where you guys are both kind of
Speaker 1: like wide eyed after I said that, and I've I've
Speaker 1: up there that was that was wrong and which you know,
Speaker 1: we're kind of talking off the mic for a minute,
Speaker 1: which is kind of the whole problem with all of
Speaker 1: this these days. Is someone like me who has the
Speaker 1: purest of hearts not an ounce of racism in my body,
Speaker 1: and I mean, Janna, you know me like you know
Speaker 1: my heart, you know, like there's none of that inside
Speaker 1: of me. I was the minority in my profession and
Speaker 1: the sport I played for of my life. So it
Speaker 1: just goes to show that even when someone's intentions are pure,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean what they're saying is is sensitive or
Speaker 1: empathetic towards someone else. Because what how I said that
Speaker 1: kind of negating Nikki's answer to my question was ignorant.
Speaker 1: It was, And I wish I could take that back
Speaker 1: and say that differently, because that's not my place to say. Two,
Speaker 1: you know, have an opinion around that, That's not my place.
Speaker 1: I'm a white male. Who am I to say that
Speaker 1: or think that there's possibly one African American out there
Speaker 1: that hasn't firsthand hm M experienced racism. That's unfair to
Speaker 1: me to say, and that's ignorant of me to say.
Speaker 1: But again, just to reiterate, this just goes to show
Speaker 1: how even someone like me, who has the purest of intentions,
Speaker 1: who was just trying to have a conversation with Mickey
Speaker 1: about all of this, how things can just go wrong
Speaker 1: in an instance. So, I you know, this is this
Speaker 1: is hard times and I just I feel bad, like
Speaker 1: you said at the top of the show, I feel
Speaker 1: bad that you don't know what to do or don't
Speaker 1: know what to say to support the people you know
Speaker 1: and love that are on the other side of this
Speaker 1: because we haven't had to experience it. Yeah, and that
Speaker 1: sucks that they have had to. All Right, well, let's
Speaker 1: take a break and then um, I'm gonna see if
Speaker 1: we can try to get Mickey back on the show. Mickey,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming back. And and this is her husband's grant.
Speaker 1: And I you know, when just now Jane and I
Speaker 1: were recording, and I acknowledge the fact that the manner
Speaker 1: in which I asked the question wasn't sensitive to the issue,
Speaker 1: and I get that the the real insult was the
Speaker 1: fact that I questioned your response that I said, I
Speaker 1: I highly doubt that, And that just goes to show
Speaker 1: my insensitivity to the situation. And I'm deeply sorry for that.
Speaker 1: And what we're talking about is someone like me who
Speaker 1: has the purest of intentions, who doesn't have an ounce
Speaker 1: of racism racism in me, how ignorant I can still
Speaker 1: be due to my lack of sensitivity. And I genuinely
Speaker 1: and sincerely apologize for that. I hope you can hear
Speaker 1: me from a good place that I'm at no disrespect
Speaker 1: that I was wrong, completely wrong in the manner in
Speaker 1: which I handled that, and I am truly, truly sorry,
Speaker 1: as your friend m for saying it the way that
Speaker 1: I did, for responding the way that I did. Racism
Speaker 1: is something that you cannot play with. It is so
Speaker 1: embedded and all events, and when you discount someone's experiences
Speaker 1: that is mentally and emotionally damaging. Yeah, and I've worked
Speaker 1: on a lot of myself for a long time, and
Speaker 1: when you saying those things, you can take the one
Speaker 1: too a really dark space, So that is irresponsible. This
Speaker 1: is my husband, Grant's black, and I've seen people be
Speaker 1: horrible to him for how he looks. I've seen it,
Speaker 1: and he's not even as dark as I am. And
Speaker 1: there are people that are darker than me. And when
Speaker 1: you're doing that, it's harmful. It is so harmful. It
Speaker 1: harmed me, and it took me back to a space
Speaker 1: that I haven't been in a long time. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to be as honest and open as I possibly can,
Speaker 1: and with that, I asked that you hold that and
Speaker 1: are gentle with that, I just want to say, like
Speaker 1: from for Mike two, Okay, what I kind of what
Speaker 1: I told Mickey during the like the break was that
Speaker 1: we we debate a lot, and we we we asked questions,
Speaker 1: and I think that was our bad for not going
Speaker 1: into it with like more empathy. You know. That's that
Speaker 1: because because ship the amount of times did I get
Speaker 1: people mad at me because I debate situations or I
Speaker 1: say things, and it's like and now I can learn
Speaker 1: from situations where it's like, maybe I could be more
Speaker 1: empathetic with how I ask a question. But in my amount,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just debating and I'm just asking a question.
Speaker 1: I'm just asking what you know, whereas not knowing maybe
Speaker 1: how I could be how I might be hurting someone,
Speaker 1: you know. And again I know, Michael, I know your
Speaker 1: heart and your attention and I and I'm just I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't and I know Mickey's heart, and I know
Speaker 1: her heart and her intentions, and it's I also know
Speaker 1: that you're also trying to speak for other people to
Speaker 1: go ahead. What you just said brought this up for me,
Speaker 1: and I, Uh, what I did was I was just
Speaker 1: guilty of doing the biggest thing that I tried to preach,
Speaker 1: which is just treated human being, regardless of anything else,
Speaker 1: like a human being. And I'm sorry, Mickey, because, like
Speaker 1: Janna was saying, being on the show, we do kind
Speaker 1: of get in work mode and we're used to asking
Speaker 1: questions and asking hard questions. And I pride myself and
Speaker 1: asking these questions that maybe stir the pot. But what
Speaker 1: I did by doing that was I didn't treat you
Speaker 1: like a human being in that moment, and I am
Speaker 1: and that bothers the shift out of me. Thank you.
Speaker 1: So I'm again, I'm sorry for allowing that. J And
Speaker 1: I appreciate what you just said because that registered for
Speaker 1: me that I behind this microphone, I got into into work, Mike,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't treating you like a like a person.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm just sorry. It's just, you know, whatever
Speaker 1: it's anything to do with racism or the marginalization of
Speaker 1: women and people of color, you have to go in
Speaker 1: that with the most intentional intentions you could ever have
Speaker 1: in those with those subject matters because it is so serious.
Speaker 1: It is so serious. I live it every day like
Speaker 1: I'm shaking great. Is there anything that I know You're
Speaker 1: you're you're here and you know you're obviously probably heard
Speaker 1: stuff during the break. Is there anything that you want
Speaker 1: to say that you could talk about with all of this? Um?
Speaker 1: I mean I think that, you know, just based on
Speaker 1: what you guys are saying. You know, you guys do
Speaker 1: this for the show, and I get it, and that's
Speaker 1: what the debate is for. And you know, getting the
Speaker 1: political discourse back and forth is what creates you know, good,
Speaker 1: it's it's what creates the change in the world. The
Speaker 1: problem is is when you're dealing with things such as
Speaker 1: racism that are embedded so deep into the DNA of people,
Speaker 1: you can't really go into it with the mindset of,
Speaker 1: you know, we're just gonna debate this issue. You you
Speaker 1: play Devil's advocate and I'm gonna play con It's one
Speaker 1: of those situations where you really have to go into
Speaker 1: it differently and you can only kind a focus on
Speaker 1: the cons. There are no pros to racism, So I
Speaker 1: think that's really what I get out of this that
Speaker 1: makes that's yeah, that's a great point. But what like
Speaker 1: making what I called you earlier? I'm like, what what
Speaker 1: can I say? Because I was reading the Instagram comments
Speaker 1: that they're saying, well, she hasn't said black lives matter,
Speaker 1: she hasn't said this, and so which was what I
Speaker 1: was asking. What will make you feel like we are
Speaker 1: your ally and we're here for you? And what kild like?
Speaker 1: What is that? Because I think that is where I
Speaker 1: didn't have the words. I didn't know what to say
Speaker 1: for a white woman. Right Well, like I said, completely
Speaker 1: denouncing racism like not being around the bush, but saying racism,
Speaker 1: it will not be tolerated. It will not be tolerated
Speaker 1: within my community, within my fan base, it will be
Speaker 1: not it will not be tolerated. And black lives do matter.
Speaker 1: People have to say black lives matter, because right now
Speaker 1: they don't. I'm thirty six years old and I experienced
Speaker 1: racism as a child, and it's twenty twenty and racism
Speaker 1: is still being experienced. Little girls are experiencing racism. I've
Speaker 1: posted a picture, I posted a video and on my
Speaker 1: Instagram you can hear this young girl, a young girl,
Speaker 1: have a perspective of feeling discriminated against a little girl.
Speaker 1: And sorry, my thoughts are so jumbled right now. We
Speaker 1: I think admitting that you don't know what because this
Speaker 1: issue is so much bigger than any of us can
Speaker 1: really wrap our minds around. Admitting that you don't know
Speaker 1: how to cure the problem, but your willing to do
Speaker 1: whatever it takes, you know, admitting that you don't know
Speaker 1: what it feels like to be black and you never will,
Speaker 1: but you understand that there is an injustice and you'll
Speaker 1: do whatever it takes to bridge that gap. Could I
Speaker 1: get that? Totally? Great? But what is that? That's the thing?
Speaker 1: Like we're like and I asked, I asked, Biggie Dan
Speaker 1: Our phone calls like, how do I teach my daughter?
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, how do I continue to still
Speaker 1: those values at her? To to love all colors? It it?
Speaker 1: It loves like how am I supposed to? Like what
Speaker 1: do I? What do I do? Do I? What do
Speaker 1: I say to her? Like? What so that she doesn't
Speaker 1: think other things? And nobody is different? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: there's no magic for it. I think it's like Mike said,
Speaker 1: everybody is different and it is one on one thing.
Speaker 1: And I just think that you know, saying something, whether
Speaker 1: it's the right words or not, is better than not
Speaker 1: saying anything. Problem. The problem is a lot of people think, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say the wrong thing. You know,
Speaker 1: it not my fight. I have never experienced racism, so
Speaker 1: I'm not going to speak on it, and by not
Speaker 1: saying anything, it actually lets the racism win. So whether
Speaker 1: you're saying the right thing, saying something anti racism is
Speaker 1: really what needs to be said. And it's such an
Speaker 1: individualized way. You know, me saying this to you guys
Speaker 1: is different than the way you would say to your daughter,
Speaker 1: is different than the way I say it to my
Speaker 1: you know, my coworkers. It's all very individualized, but it's
Speaker 1: voicing that you see there is a problem and you
Speaker 1: will not stand for it. And even when you everybody
Speaker 1: gets pushed back. I get pushed back all of the
Speaker 1: time for standing well women, music and any multiple causes
Speaker 1: that I stand for. And nobody's ever going to be satisfied.
Speaker 1: But majority people are going to be so excited. I've
Speaker 1: gone on your page and I've seen so many people
Speaker 1: say thank you. I've seen so many black women post
Speaker 1: in people's pages, thank you for standing up, thank you
Speaker 1: for saying something. And those are who we are reaching
Speaker 1: out to to show people that are racists that they
Speaker 1: have no place in this country. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: think that and that's why I like the conversation we
Speaker 1: had today was at the pool, I was like and
Speaker 1: where I felt bad and where I felt sad for
Speaker 1: as as a friend, because I'm like, I I genuinely
Speaker 1: just didn't know what to say. And I think a
Speaker 1: lot of like there's I've seen like things means going
Speaker 1: around like uncomfortable. It's like, because I am uncomfortable, I
Speaker 1: don't know what that uncomfortability is. I think the comfortability
Speaker 1: is that I don't don't know what to say and
Speaker 1: what is enough and like to grant what you were
Speaker 1: saying is you know, you know, but I like what
Speaker 1: is it though? Like what what will like is it
Speaker 1: going to the silent or the you know, the peaceful protests?
Speaker 1: Is that like or is it just saying because I
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like words are so empty and
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's where I feel like it's false
Speaker 1: flat for sometimes because I'm like when I say, like
Speaker 1: when I see a big talent that gets destroyed by tornado,
Speaker 1: I'm praying for this person, don't pray, donate or do
Speaker 1: this or do that. So it's like what I don't
Speaker 1: want to just say, like I'm you know, black lives matter.
Speaker 1: What can I do? So, what you can do is,
Speaker 1: whenever you're shooting, whenever you're hiring people for your team,
Speaker 1: think about considering young African American youth and talented young
Speaker 1: people to work with you, to work for you. That's
Speaker 1: a that's a start because African American people do have
Speaker 1: a hard time finding jobs there. They have a hard
Speaker 1: time finding space too, to work anywhere. And it's it
Speaker 1: would be important for people to see more of that.
Speaker 1: Invite more diversity into your world. Let it be genuine,
Speaker 1: let it be natural. Not every black person is going
Speaker 1: to be your friend, and and that's okay, but find
Speaker 1: young individuals that you may not necessarily thought, even young
Speaker 1: brown individuals. I think diversifying is a huge thing because
Speaker 1: the more you see it, the more normalized it is.
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, yeah, but can I ask a
Speaker 1: few questions that were asked or no, like I I respect, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: as long as it's not like debating certain things like
Speaker 1: you know, as long as it's not like the question
Speaker 1: that gets the heart of weather racism exists or not,
Speaker 1: you know, And then I think, yeah, but one of
Speaker 1: none of those questions that but is it really that bad? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I can't even imagine. I think the one that
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw it on mine, but
Speaker 1: you know is a uh he said a long whole
Speaker 1: thing that he goes. So if you truly want to
Speaker 1: talk about this, maybe you should address the black on
Speaker 1: black crimes. Like people that say that know, that's him debate,
Speaker 1: that's him baiting. Yeah, but I guess I didn't understand
Speaker 1: like baiting what like he's it's it's somewhat saying that
Speaker 1: is like, oh well, if they're worried about the cop,
Speaker 1: talk about all their black on black crime. Got it?
Speaker 1: Shift the focus elsewhere? Yeah, focusing on the racism between
Speaker 1: We're focusing on hatred within one troubled race. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Um uh uh. As a white woman,
Speaker 1: what do I say to my half black six year
Speaker 1: old daughter? Okay? Um? I mean I had I grew up,
Speaker 1: I was a doctor. I'm half black, and my mom
Speaker 1: is Japanese and Portuguese, and I was raised by a
Speaker 1: white guy, a French guy, and he always got that
Speaker 1: question for me, Hey, dad, you know, why do people
Speaker 1: treat me differently when I go to school? And I
Speaker 1: didn't get it because I grew up in a white
Speaker 1: neighborhood in Carpenteria, Santa Barbara, you know, and so he
Speaker 1: would always say his son, he'd admit the fact, son,
Speaker 1: your skin is different, but you're not different. And that's
Speaker 1: what he would constantly tell me, is your skin is different,
Speaker 1: but you're not different. And I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: the right thing to tell this little girl, but that's
Speaker 1: what my dad told me. And as a woman, as
Speaker 1: a mixed girl, I hear from him all of the time,
Speaker 1: wondering where is his place. There's sometimes he says I'm
Speaker 1: not black enough, I'm not white enough, and those have
Speaker 1: been issues that he's had growing up. That's issues you've had. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I typically get I have a lot of When I
Speaker 1: was in the end, I used to live over in
Speaker 1: South Central and I wasn't black enough when I lived
Speaker 1: over there, you know, I was always getting made fun
Speaker 1: of for being light skinned. And then you know, when
Speaker 1: I went when my family divorced and I went to
Speaker 1: high school in Santa Barbara, Carpenderia, I was always too
Speaker 1: black and I was being called the N word and stuff,
Speaker 1: and so it's like, where's my place and my black enough?
Speaker 1: Or am I am? I not dark enough, like where
Speaker 1: am I? And then once nine eleven came around, I
Speaker 1: looked Middle Eastern even though I'm not. And that's all
Speaker 1: another thing that got added on top of it. So
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things for mixed people. You
Speaker 1: get all of the hatred for being black, but none
Speaker 1: of the credit for being white. And it's just those
Speaker 1: things that's it's it's a sad reality. But you're not
Speaker 1: dark enough and you're not light enough. Wow. Um, so
Speaker 1: what's a tips are encouraging hate? Oh? Sorry? Number one
Speaker 1: mistake white people make when talking about race. When people
Speaker 1: say all lives matter. Yeah, I touched on that a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier to Yeah, are saying black lives matter.
Speaker 1: They are not saying that all lives don't matter. And
Speaker 1: I think people are misconstruing that they're not saying that
Speaker 1: all lives don't matter. We absolutely think all lives matter,
Speaker 1: But the problem with that is when they're still marginalization
Speaker 1: in this world, when they're still marginalization of people of
Speaker 1: color in this country and they're not treated equally, then
Speaker 1: their lives don't really matter. And that's when they're saying
Speaker 1: when they say black lives matter, When they say brown
Speaker 1: lives matter. They we could put it too at the
Speaker 1: end of that, and that probably make sense to a
Speaker 1: lot of people were saying black lives matter. To pay
Speaker 1: attention to that, Mickey, that was the best, the best
Speaker 1: that's ever been explained in my experience. So I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: That was very very well said. And I think that
Speaker 1: because that's when I definitely hear a lot right and
Speaker 1: people society, here's a lot black, because that is how
Speaker 1: it is interpreted at times, you know, And so I
Speaker 1: I really that that was a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of clarity. So I appreciate that explanation that was that
Speaker 1: was brilliant. Thank you. Absolutely, we're not saying that other
Speaker 1: lives don't matter, because they do. We just want to
Speaker 1: be We want to matter too. Another person said, how
Speaker 1: to get involved in change changing the system? I've seen
Speaker 1: books suggested, so maybe, um, you know what else they
Speaker 1: can do to get involved in changing the system. So
Speaker 1: balk In college, I um studied black history and our
Speaker 1: teacher made us read this book called Black Like Me.
Speaker 1: I wrote a song called Black Like Me, and this
Speaker 1: book was written by John Howard Griffin, a white man
Speaker 1: through radiation darkened his skin to look like a black
Speaker 1: man back in the nineties sixties during the Gym Crow
Speaker 1: Law era, during the Civil rights movement, and he went
Speaker 1: to see what it was like to be a black
Speaker 1: man living in America in the nineteen sixties. And there's
Speaker 1: some of the most profound quotes in there that you
Speaker 1: can read and a white man experience what it felt
Speaker 1: like to be black, and it's beautiful. It's a beautiful book.
Speaker 1: I was inspired by the title to write a song
Speaker 1: called Black Like Me, which I have snippets on my
Speaker 1: social media, And you could start there, start really consider
Speaker 1: diversifying your life, the people that you hire, the people
Speaker 1: that you reach out to. Again, it has to be genuine.
Speaker 1: Not everybody has to be friends. That is not the
Speaker 1: way the world works. But just reaching out and seeing
Speaker 1: seeing people see us, see us. That's what we're asking,
Speaker 1: see us. I have a question, and it's it's more
Speaker 1: of just I'm gonna say a phrase and I just
Speaker 1: want you want your all thoughts on it, because again
Speaker 1: it's something that I feel like society. Here's a lot
Speaker 1: especially when racism, racism is is is brought up as
Speaker 1: a topic. When someone starts talking about reverse racism, is
Speaker 1: that is that again kind of like the black on
Speaker 1: black crime? Is that a misdirection? Is that like, how
Speaker 1: do you get how do as African Americans? How do
Speaker 1: you receive that phrase when someone brings that up? Reverse
Speaker 1: racism or reverse discrimination is the concept that affirmative action
Speaker 1: in similar color conscious programs for readdressing racial inequality or
Speaker 1: a form of anti white racism. Well, let's look in
Speaker 1: the country music, right O. I'm a part of the
Speaker 1: a c M Diversity Task Force, and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: help diversify the a c M, whether it's um in production,
Speaker 1: the writers, makeup artists, sound people, even the talent just
Speaker 1: to bring diversity here and people trying to give marginalized
Speaker 1: people who don't get shots and chances to be a
Speaker 1: part of programs like that. And when they're making that reach,
Speaker 1: that is not reverse racism whatsoever. That is being inclusive.
Speaker 1: So that's all I have to say about that. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that. There anything else I want to I just
Speaker 1: appreciate both y'all being willing to be vulnerable and kind
Speaker 1: of express you know, your feelings and everything during these
Speaker 1: times that are going on, and I am I do
Speaker 1: empathize that this can't be easy to be an African
Speaker 1: American in this country, in this world, let alone in
Speaker 1: times like this. And I am I am sorry again
Speaker 1: for for how I deliver things in an offensive, ignorant
Speaker 1: way that has that's there's no part of me that
Speaker 1: that feels that way or is that way, and the
Speaker 1: people that know me know that for a fact. But again,
Speaker 1: Mickey Grant, thank you guys for opening up. I mean,
Speaker 1: the fact that you can recognize it, admit it, accepted,
Speaker 1: and apologize for it is a lot more than anybody
Speaker 1: that I know of. You know that's not black, to
Speaker 1: be honest, it's usually you get back on. If we
Speaker 1: were to start this conversation up, it would be you
Speaker 1: explaining why you said wasn't wrong, and it would be
Speaker 1: a hollow I'm sorry that you felt that way type
Speaker 1: of thing. But you know, but what you did, and
Speaker 1: to answer Janet's question, you know, what you did is
Speaker 1: actively showing that you acknowledge racism and make steps towards
Speaker 1: extinguishing racism. By acknowledging that you acted in a you know,
Speaker 1: a very you know, racist way. By commenting that way,
Speaker 1: acknowledging the existence of it is inviting it. And I
Speaker 1: think that answers the question right there. And that's that's
Speaker 1: really big of me. Man. I don't know you that well,
Speaker 1: but you know, I sat down with her because I
Speaker 1: thought that what was gonna happen is you were gonna
Speaker 1: try to side step your way out of it and say, look,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that the words I said made you feel
Speaker 1: that way. I'm sorry you felt that way, but you
Speaker 1: didn't you owned it and apologize for it and acknowledge it.
Speaker 1: And I think that's step number one in society is
Speaker 1: acknowledging it and owning it. Appreciate it, thank you all.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. This is happy. Yeah, this is just heavy, man,
Speaker 1: really heavy. You guys don't know the half of it. No,
Speaker 1: And I that's where I think that, like the real
Speaker 1: empathy is like, that's where it's like, you know, we
Speaker 1: can get past it. There was the fourth of July
Speaker 1: two years ago and we were out at my beach
Speaker 1: house in in Ventura, California, shooting off fireworks like everybody
Speaker 1: did over in Silver Strand everybody had a house or
Speaker 1: they shoot fireworks off your balcony back porch. We get
Speaker 1: a knock from the door from the police and I'm
Speaker 1: at my house, my name's on it, my cars in
Speaker 1: the driveway. They say, you know whose houses is, why
Speaker 1: are you here? No, I mean this is my house,
Speaker 1: my names. You want me to go get the title.
Speaker 1: I mean that's my jag in the driveway. They didn't
Speaker 1: believe me for anything, so they I said, look, I'm
Speaker 1: an attorney, I know my rights. You can't come across
Speaker 1: this threshold. They walked across the threshold of my doorway,
Speaker 1: drugged me out of my house in front of my
Speaker 1: and proceeded to pin me to the ground and beat
Speaker 1: me being tell me this isn't your house. What are
Speaker 1: you doing here? But you know what? As fucked up
Speaker 1: as that was, and me having to go spend the
Speaker 1: night in jail, and of course all charges were dropped
Speaker 1: because I didn't do a damn thing wrong. I still
Speaker 1: don't walk around and say, you know, fuck them, fucking Enta,
Speaker 1: fuck the police. I I'm still trying to acknowledge that. Look,
Speaker 1: I know that they fucked up, and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: move on. Instead of harboring the hatred that I should
Speaker 1: harbord for what happened to me, I just got rid
Speaker 1: of the house and moved out of the situation, and
Speaker 1: I still believe that there's good in people, and I
Speaker 1: see that in Youtuo. I know there's good in people.
Speaker 1: Not everybody's like the people that stretched me out of
Speaker 1: my house, beat me up and locked me up. So
Speaker 1: that's the last thing I have to say about it
Speaker 1: is we all have to be positive no matter how
Speaker 1: bad it's been. Well. I really appreciate both of you guys,
Speaker 1: and I think this is hopefully our listeners that are
Speaker 1: hearing this have are woard forward. They could have they
Speaker 1: could look at the beer a little bit more introspectively
Speaker 1: and do a deeper check on themselves and be the
Speaker 1: change for you know, just be the change man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you can itself, that's first and less, you know,
Speaker 1: so the first step to self work. And I will say,
Speaker 1: you know, it's you know, when I listened to things
Speaker 1: like when I listened to music and I hear, for example,
Speaker 1: Mickey's got a song out called what Are You Gonna
Speaker 1: Tell Her? And I remember hearing that song for the
Speaker 1: first time, and I think about Jolie because that was
Speaker 1: the same thing. I don't know what I'm going to
Speaker 1: tell her? What do you tell her? You know? And
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine like all of this, it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell her. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, And it's I just I
Speaker 1: love your song. I love what it stands for right now,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just it's just I have no
Speaker 1: freaking clue what I'm going to tell her. Well, let
Speaker 1: me tell you something amiss. All of the races them
Speaker 1: that is happening in this country. Women are still being oppressed.
Speaker 1: We're all the same, We're all in the same boat.
Speaker 1: We're really freaking ore. There's a lot of pain. This
Speaker 1: world is on fire right now for a lot of things,
Speaker 1: for injustices happening the black and brown people, for injustices
Speaker 1: happening to women, for COVID, Like it is heavy right now.
Speaker 1: It is heavy. I just appreciate you guys, and I
Speaker 1: appreciate this whole conversation coming back together because if it
Speaker 1: would have just En did that, because contrary to what
Speaker 1: this isn't about the great exist about, this isn't about
Speaker 1: any of that, Vikio, you know, like this is this
Speaker 1: is the problem. This is like this conversation and being
Speaker 1: able to come back, like you said, granted to be
Speaker 1: able to have a conversation and to have this talk
Speaker 1: and just to to to empathize, but in a place
Speaker 1: where you you know, we well, it's just yeah, this
Speaker 1: is I just feel like this is I hope people
Speaker 1: can understand where we're at right though. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like and all, it's so much more love in this
Speaker 1: world than we Yes, that so much more love. And
Speaker 1: no matter what riots and looting, selfish, horrible, mean spirited
Speaker 1: people and racists, there are way more good people that
Speaker 1: do not stand for that, and that's where we will rise,
Speaker 1: and that's where we will all win, and we just
Speaker 1: have to join together. A been to that. Well, thank you,
Speaker 1: Bicky Grant. I really appreciate it. I'm glad that you know.
Speaker 1: I just I love all of you guys, So I
Speaker 1: just yeah, yeah, thank you, Thank you guys again for
Speaker 1: myself for being willing to come back around. And I
Speaker 1: make up that that wasn't easy. He had every right
Speaker 1: not to, every reason not too. So I respect the
Speaker 1: hell out of both of you guys being willing to
Speaker 1: do that and forgive me for for my moment of ignorance. Um.
Speaker 1: So I just I hope that this conversation can maybe
Speaker 1: help somebody out there, like you said to to wake
Speaker 1: one person up, two people up, whoever it is, so
Speaker 1: we really appreciate both, y'all. Thank you, Thank you guys. Okay, bye,