WEBVTT - Know Justice, Know Peace with Mickey Guyton 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:09.520 Wind down and podcast. Okay, so I don't even know 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:15.920 how to start this. There's a lot going on right now. Um. 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:24.079 We actually had something else airing today. Um, but it 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:28.640 was it just didn't feel right to have what we 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:33.560 were going to air today air. It just wasn't relevant. 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:35.640 Well it was thought that it wasn't relevant. It just 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:40.040 it just didn't feel right to you know, because yeah, 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:44.640 so it just was like, so let me just rewind 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:50.040 like ten hours. So I know, we talked about it 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:54.400 the other day Mike, where I said, I obviously with 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:59.960 everything going on with George Floyd and the other events 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:04.640 that had happened this past few months and forever, honestly, 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:06.320 but this is where I just get where I'm like, 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:10.280 it's so hard to even say the right thing. But 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:16.520 I just felt really heavy in the heart, and I 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:19.040 I was talking to you yesterday, but yesterday I'm like, 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:21.840 I don't know, I don't know how to find words 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:26.160 to say what I even want to say. And I 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:31.240 deleted about a thousand different times. I mean all day 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:32.720 I was just on my phone trying to find the 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:34.720 right words. I'm like, no, that won't that, that's not it, 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.040 or no, or it's gonna know that's gonna be a 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.480 misinterpreted or no, and I just just deleted and I 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:41.520 kept saying. I was like, what can I say that 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:47.640 because I don't know what to say? And so you 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:53.560 had said, couldn't be more generic? Yeah, just general, because 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:55.600 I was shocked that you were getting d m s 0:01:55.640 --> 0:02:00.560 of people giving you ship for not saying anything, and 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.960 it's it's that frustrated me. So I was just like, 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.280 all right, if you're getting flat or not say anything, 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:11.000 just keep it. Yeah general and generic. We're we're all 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.520 human beings. Is just treat each other like human beings. 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.040 So I said that, but then it still didn't feel right. 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:22.120 Something still felt heavy, and it just didn't feel right. 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:28.680 So I then today at the pool called Mickey because 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:30.800 I've known Mickey guy in for Mickey, how long have 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:34.480 we known each other for through for at least five 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:40.119 six years now? Yeah? Yeah, So I called Mickey because 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.440 I just, first of all, I love Mickey. I've loved 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.920 her forever. Hey, I wanted to see how she was 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:51.240 doing and be I also want to say I want 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.600 to support you, but I don't know how, Like what 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:57.239 am I supposed to say so that you feel supported 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:01.000 and that she feels supported as an ever an American. Yes, 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:04.240 and it makes it makes me sad because I'm like, 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.320 I want you to know that I'm like here for you, 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:09.359 but I don't know how. I'm sorry. This isn't about 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.920 like I feel stupid and crying, but like it made 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:17.600 me sad because sorry, I feel bad that I don't 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:21.960 know how to support you. And so I called because 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:23.919 I wanted to say, like, I don't even know what 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:27.440 to say because I feel like this, you know, essentially 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:30.680 quote unquote a white privileged little girl, white girl, Like 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:34.800 what can I say to you to make you feel 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.040 like I'm here for you? And I've I've seen all 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.040 the like I'm here for you. I'm not black, but 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.160 I'm here for you. I'm not, but I'm like I 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:43.800 something just still felt disconnected. So I was like, I 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.680 just want to call Mickey to be like, what, like 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.880 what do I say that you will feel like like 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:52.560 is it even words? Like I don't even have the words, 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.600 and so I'm sorry, I don't like it's just like 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.200 I don't. I just feel like I'm at a loss 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.160 really of what to say that like I can support 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:08.720 like so here Vicky talk. Sorry, no, um there is, 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:17.240 without question, injustice happening in America against black people. And 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:21.440 it's been happening since before we were even a thought 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:26.200 it was. It's been happening since before our parents or 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:32.240 even a thought. This systemic racism is literally in all 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:36.920 of our DNA for things that we may have had 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.640 nothing to do with, but it is in. It is 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:47.480 alive and well. Today. Black men are mistreated and disregarded, 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:54.640 and people are they are feared. They can't walk down 0:04:54.640 --> 0:05:00.839 a street without everyone holding onto their purse. They can't 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:07.000 walk in a grocery store or any kind of retail 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:11.919 store without checking themselves to make sure that people don't 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:16.040 think that they're stealing. This is so, this is their 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.000 life that they live all of the time. All of 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:22.760 the videos that you are seeing of black men getting 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:30.000 killed in the streets by policemen and hated by everybody, 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.040 it's been happening. We just now have phones, and we're 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:38.760 armed with phones two broadcast the injustices and the hate 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:43.360 that they're experiencing on a daily basis. And I know 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:47.240 you feel bad. There's a lot of us feeling bad. 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:51.400 We all feel bad. There. If you don't feel bad, 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:55.600 you don't have a heart because this is real. We're 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.200 seeing it and we can't deny it anymore. And we're 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:02.919 all so charged because we don't want this to be 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:07.479 that way anymore, and we must remember and and take 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.040 a moment to be grateful for that. There is way 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:13.040 more love than there is hate. There are so many 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:21.039 people denouncing and protesting against racism, and I understand. I'm 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:24.000 sure a lot of my white brothers and sisters don't 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.400 know what to say. So a lot of times, I'm 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.600 sure you've seen we've all seen these killings four years 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.920 and I'm sure five six years ago when you were 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.680 seeing the murders of a lot of other black men, 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.640 I'm sure you thought about I need to post something, 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.400 I need to say something, But isn't my place. So 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:48.200 I'm telling everybody it is your place to stand up 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:55.599 and openly denounced racism. Period. And everybody says that all 0:06:55.720 --> 0:07:01.159 lives matter, and that is absolutely true, all lives do matter, 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.599 but right now, black and brown lives do not matter. 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:09.680 And until black and brown lives really matter, all lives 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:14.280 don't matter. It's that simple, and so you can't say 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:16.920 all lives matter. I see a lot of people saying that, 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.480 and It's true all lives matter, but they don't right now. 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.600 They don't. Right now, we saw a man get murdered 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:33.880 in calling for his mother. And if people only ever 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:40.960 only knew what I've personally seen. I have seen in 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:46.160 vent Tura County, California, cops come to my home, take 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:50.760 my husband, throw him to the ground, tell him he's 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.800 not a lawyer. Tell people that is not our jag 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.920 parked in the neighborhood, being the only black people in 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:02.280 that neighborhood. I have seen the injustice myself, and after 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:04.960 seeing that, I would then have to go on a 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.920 stage and sing and act like everything's okay. And I 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.640 have absolutely saying on a stage and someone has called 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:16.640 me the N word, and I've just acted like it's 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:21.960 okay because that was just the way life is. I 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.760 expected that, because that's been the lot of my life 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:33.439 since I was born with this skin. And we're all 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:37.880 awake now, we all see it, and we are upset. 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:44.280 And I know for a fact, and country music, I 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:49.480 have so many good hearted, loving people that are not racist. 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.720 But it is not enough to be quietly non racist. 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:58.800 We all have to be openly non racist and shame 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:04.720 anybody that fills. Otherwise, if you love Jesus, if you 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:10.600 say that you love Jesus, then you cannot be a racist, period. 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:17.080 And there you have it, well, said Nicky, I ask 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:30.240 you this. Unfortunately, it's like, you know, people that are 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:35.400 are racist, people that are whether a police officers, whether 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:38.240 it's in business, whether it fans at your Shaw show 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.600 who disrespect you in that way, whether it's the police 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:49.280 officers that came and grabbed your husband, those people, if 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:53.439 their actions are showing that they're there, you know, biased 0:09:54.240 --> 0:10:02.200 towards certain races and prejudice towards certain races. M with 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:07.760 all of the rioting, with the protests and everything. And 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.400 this may be naive to me to ask to even 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:15.079 stay this might be ignorant on my part, but it's 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:19.559 what's what's the end result? Because people are racist, this 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:24.160 is only fueling their racism. People that that aren't racist, 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:29.040 we're already not racist. So what so the one thing 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:34.120 I will say it does is for people that haven't 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:38.319 had to experience that, For people who are white or 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.120 Caucasian or even African American that haven't had to experience 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:45.880 but most likely have witnessed maybe those things. Sure it 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:49.000 awakes society up. That's like, hey, just a reminder, this 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.359 ship is still going on, y'all. Like it's not the sixties, 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.360 it's you know, two thousand twenty, and it's still going on, 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.719 you know, sixty years later or whatever it is, Yes, 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.200 six years later. I have a I have a great 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:09.760 example for you. Think of a dog and the sweet, innocent, 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:14.760 loving dog, and imagine punching that dog over and over 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:21.840 and over again, slapping that dog, pushing him around, disregarding him, 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:25.120 not feeding him, not showing him any love. And then 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.000 the one time you touch him, all of a sudden, 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:30.720 he bites you back. And what happens to that dog? 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:36.960 Most likely he's going to get put down. So I 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:45.720 do not condone looting and destroying property. I do not 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:51.400 condone it whatsoever. But there are people who have seen 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:56.079 that are and the lowest communities like Corona is affecting 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.800 the black community, And as soon as everybody found that out, 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.120 it was like the oh, well, why are we even 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:07.559 staying outside right now? So these people, there are way 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:12.040 more people that are trying to peacefully protests, and those 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:13.920 are the ones that you need to pay attention to. 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:23.320 Those are the ones that truly want justice, and yeah, 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.400 for sure. And it's just it just sucks because it's 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:30.200 this is only these kind of when it gets to 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.920 the looting and rioting, it only segregates us even more. 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:36.960 It only separates us even more because again, your your people. 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.240 The people that are doing it in an inappropriate manner, 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.640 whether they're African, American, white has been, whoever it is, 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:48.840 are just fueling racism and segregation. So and you can say, 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:51.199 I'm going to have to interject before you keep talking 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:57.920 because it doesn't sound good. Looting and writing has been 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:03.200 learned from the slave days. This is historically what we 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:08.000 have seen people due to black people. If you really 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:13.720 study black history, which I have, think about all those lynchings, 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:18.800 think about all those people laughing and not even considering 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:30.080 people as human. We learned that from white people. That 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:35.280 it's history. This is four hundred years of oppression. And 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.720 by the way, this is supposed to be a you know, 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.960 this is to gain knowledge and to gain you know, 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.840 there's I have some questions to you that some podcasts 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.240 listeners want us to answer to. And this is just 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:51.240 too because you know, yeah, this is just like gaining knowledge. 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.280 So I don't want you to like because this is 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.600 just that uncomfortable situation, or we don't even know, Like 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:59.720 I just didn't want to be like no, I I 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:03.880 think like I want you to knowledge, give us knowledge, 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.960 because you know we sit here in our we don't 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.920 we didn't, we didn't have the same battles and struggles. 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.600 And you have to think about it. But when we're 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:20.200 high school and in college, we only learn the small 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:24.040 little pieces of black history. It's almost glossed over. You know. 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:29.360 It's like Martin Luther King, Malcolm X Rosa Parks, you know, 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:34.520 the civil civil rights movement, but you don't really dig 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:38.840 into to what actually happened to some of these people. 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:46.280 There were slaves, pregnant women that were raped, beaten, had 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.720 their babies cut out of their stomachs, and we had 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:52.920 to watch their baby get stumped on. That is in 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:56.240 history books. But you could say the same thing for 0:14:56.280 --> 0:15:01.160 like the Jewish culture, right, yeah, but why isn't the 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:07.720 Jewish culture they have just as many, if not, you know, 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:12.840 reasons to feel oppressed. Maybe not so maybe not so 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:16.000 much in America. But it's look at their skin color 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.640 though that doesn't matter, That didn't matter when they were 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:23.680 going through what they're going through. It didn't matter their religion, 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.680 was there was their skin color essentially. Yeah, so it's 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:31.800 just I guess what's unfortunate, and I'm not obviously I 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:36.280 respect everything you're saying. My only and my the pessimism 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.720 in my mind is just thinking, well, ship, when does 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:43.520 this end? If it's about being oppressed for four years 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:47.120 and this ship is still going on, when will it 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.880 ever end? Will it ever? Yeah, that's a great question. 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.800 I don't know. I don't know either. And the way 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:59.560 that the way things are going, it doesn't ask anybody 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:04.080 around the world, even Jewish people. Essentially, I'm gonna ask you, 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.800 would you want to grow up in the world as 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:16.560 a black person? Would you want to I'm trying to 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.920 choose my words because I don't want to minimize what 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:23.920 the black culture does have to go through. Like our 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:26.200 child does not have to worry about playing with a 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.920 toy gun. Ja's does not have to worry about a 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.640 toy gun. And that's where it gets me as a 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:33.840 mom to be like, Okay, that's where I kind of 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:35.560 that's I mean, that's not kind of. That's where I 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.120 get it. Where it's like Jason can run around with 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:44.720 a toy gun, without someone shooting at him. Right. But 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.680 to answer your question, no, I wouldn't have a problem 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.000 with it. But again, the grass is the grass may 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:54.760 seem greener, right, So I can't say because I haven't 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.280 experienced it. I'm sure there's African Americans who haven't experienced 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:02.160 any of that. Yeah, maybe their parents have, but I 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.359 get you. I bet you there's kids that maybe haven't. 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:06.800 Are you saying that's not you're telling me there's not 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:10.400 one African American that hasn't that has gone through life 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:15.359 and hasn't experienced, you know, having living without having experienced racially. 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:20.680 Your best friend is Jason, He's an African American. Has 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:24.120 have you ever asked him that question? And by the way, 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.800 I'm just like, yeah, I mean, we haven't talked about 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.240 it in a long time, but I haven't He's never 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.960 expressed any of that to me. But I mean, so again, 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:38.639 I'm just saying that playing the odds, I'm sure there's 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.600 there's somebody out there that hasn't been subjected to nicky 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:47.159 you're saying there, you know, honestly, it's this conversation is 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:51.760 very heavy for me, and to hear someone say that, 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:56.159 I highly doubt that all black people haven't experienced some 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.600 form of racism or oppression. It's just a numbers game. 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:03.359 It's not a racial games in numbers game. I'm going 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:05.800 to have to get off of this call. You cannot 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:11.120 say those things. You cannot Where am I saying this disrespectful? 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:14.200 All I'm saying is that there's a there's a possibility. 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:18.199 Is there a possibility? You know what? I got that, 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.760 I got it, I've figured it out. I don't approve 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:43.119 this at all. I don't approve this. Um I I 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:48.320 talked to Mickey, UM well, I think what really hurt 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.240 her is when you said you can't say I highly 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.600 doubt all black people have experienced racism and expect me 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:58.520 to want to sit there for that. Yeah, And I mean, 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.639 I know, I think I even saw the look on 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.000 your entries face where you guys are both kind of 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:10.600 like wide eyed after I said that, and I've I've 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:21.280 up there that was that was wrong and which you know, 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.200 we're kind of talking off the mic for a minute, 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:26.919 which is kind of the whole problem with all of 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:32.120 this these days. Is someone like me who has the 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:35.919 purest of hearts not an ounce of racism in my body, 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.520 and I mean, Janna, you know me like you know 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.280 my heart, you know, like there's none of that inside 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:46.040 of me. I was the minority in my profession and 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:54.399 the sport I played for of my life. So it 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:57.760 just goes to show that even when someone's intentions are pure, 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:05.280 that doesn't mean what they're saying is is sensitive or 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:10.120 empathetic towards someone else. Because what how I said that 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:21.480 kind of negating Nikki's answer to my question was ignorant. 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:28.639 It was, And I wish I could take that back 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:41.400 and say that differently, because that's not my place to say. Two, 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:49.359 you know, have an opinion around that, That's not my place. 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:52.880 I'm a white male. Who am I to say that 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:57.440 or think that there's possibly one African American out there 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:04.399 that hasn't firsthand hm M experienced racism. That's unfair to 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.240 me to say, and that's ignorant of me to say. 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:10.560 But again, just to reiterate, this just goes to show 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.720 how even someone like me, who has the purest of intentions, 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:17.520 who was just trying to have a conversation with Mickey 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:23.959 about all of this, how things can just go wrong 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:34.080 in an instance. So, I you know, this is this 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:47.520 is hard times and I just I feel bad, like 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:49.880 you said at the top of the show, I feel 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:51.800 bad that you don't know what to do or don't 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.840 know what to say to support the people you know 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:57.359 and love that are on the other side of this 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:06.280 because we haven't had to experience it. Yeah, and that 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:11.040 sucks that they have had to. All Right, well, let's 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:13.280 take a break and then um, I'm gonna see if 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:29.080 we can try to get Mickey back on the show. Mickey, 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:36.840 thanks for coming back. And and this is her husband's grant. 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:42.760 And I you know, when just now Jane and I 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:50.480 were recording, and I acknowledge the fact that the manner 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:56.240 in which I asked the question wasn't sensitive to the issue, 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:04.479 and I get that the the real insult was the 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:07.520 fact that I questioned your response that I said, I 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:11.560 I highly doubt that, And that just goes to show 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:18.920 my insensitivity to the situation. And I'm deeply sorry for that. 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:25.400 And what we're talking about is someone like me who 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:27.800 has the purest of intentions, who doesn't have an ounce 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:35.119 of racism racism in me, how ignorant I can still 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:39.639 be due to my lack of sensitivity. And I genuinely 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:42.000 and sincerely apologize for that. I hope you can hear 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:45.520 me from a good place that I'm at no disrespect 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:54.280 that I was wrong, completely wrong in the manner in 0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:58.520 which I handled that, and I am truly, truly sorry, 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:03.200 as your friend m for saying it the way that 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:10.160 I did, for responding the way that I did. Racism 0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:14.560 is something that you cannot play with. It is so 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:21.720 embedded and all events, and when you discount someone's experiences 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:41.919 that is mentally and emotionally damaging. Yeah, and I've worked 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:47.000 on a lot of myself for a long time, and 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:49.320 when you saying those things, you can take the one 0:24:49.400 --> 0:25:00.360 too a really dark space, So that is irresponsible. This 0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:06.919 is my husband, Grant's black, and I've seen people be 0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:11.199 horrible to him for how he looks. I've seen it, 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:13.280 and he's not even as dark as I am. And 0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:21.880 there are people that are darker than me. And when 0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:27.679 you're doing that, it's harmful. It is so harmful. It 0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:30.639 harmed me, and it took me back to a space 0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:37.520 that I haven't been in a long time. I'm trying 0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:40.800 to be as honest and open as I possibly can, 0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:47.080 and with that, I asked that you hold that and 0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:54.600 are gentle with that, I just want to say, like 0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:59.359 from for Mike two, Okay, what I kind of what 0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:04.520 I told Mickey during the like the break was that 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:10.160 we we debate a lot, and we we we asked questions, 0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:15.760 and I think that was our bad for not going 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:21.119 into it with like more empathy. You know. That's that 0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:23.640 because because ship the amount of times did I get 0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:28.240 people mad at me because I debate situations or I 0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:31.320 say things, and it's like and now I can learn 0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:34.040 from situations where it's like, maybe I could be more 0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:37.720 empathetic with how I ask a question. But in my amount, 0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:39.840 I'm like, I'm just debating and I'm just asking a question. 0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:44.639 I'm just asking what you know, whereas not knowing maybe 0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:48.960 how I could be how I might be hurting someone, 0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:54.600 you know. And again I know, Michael, I know your 0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:58.520 heart and your attention and I and I'm just I'm like, 0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:01.840 I don't and I know Mickey's heart, and I know 0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:06.560 her heart and her intentions, and it's I also know 0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:09.159 that you're also trying to speak for other people to 0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:13.880 go ahead. What you just said brought this up for me, 0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:23.200 and I, Uh, what I did was I was just 0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:26.280 guilty of doing the biggest thing that I tried to preach, 0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:33.320 which is just treated human being, regardless of anything else, 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:37.800 like a human being. And I'm sorry, Mickey, because, like 0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:40.920 Janna was saying, being on the show, we do kind 0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:44.640 of get in work mode and we're used to asking 0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:47.320 questions and asking hard questions. And I pride myself and 0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:50.600 asking these questions that maybe stir the pot. But what 0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:53.280 I did by doing that was I didn't treat you 0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:57.520 like a human being in that moment, and I am 0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:00.520 and that bothers the shift out of me. Thank you. 0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:03.399 So I'm again, I'm sorry for allowing that. J And 0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:06.359 I appreciate what you just said because that registered for 0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:11.840 me that I behind this microphone, I got into into work, Mike, 0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:15.720 and I wasn't treating you like a like a person. 0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:26.840 I'm I'm I'm just sorry. It's just, you know, whatever 0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:35.760 it's anything to do with racism or the marginalization of 0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:41.680 women and people of color, you have to go in 0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:46.560 that with the most intentional intentions you could ever have 0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:52.360 in those with those subject matters because it is so serious. 0:28:54.200 --> 0:29:01.280 It is so serious. I live it every day like 0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:04.920 I'm shaking great. Is there anything that I know You're 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:08.680 you're you're here and you know you're obviously probably heard 0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:11.440 stuff during the break. Is there anything that you want 0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:19.040 to say that you could talk about with all of this? Um? 0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:21.840 I mean I think that, you know, just based on 0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:24.480 what you guys are saying. You know, you guys do 0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:26.440 this for the show, and I get it, and that's 0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:28.680 what the debate is for. And you know, getting the 0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:33.920 political discourse back and forth is what creates you know, good, 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:37.160 it's it's what creates the change in the world. The 0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:39.400 problem is is when you're dealing with things such as 0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:44.200 racism that are embedded so deep into the DNA of people, 0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:47.000 you can't really go into it with the mindset of, 0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:49.440 you know, we're just gonna debate this issue. You you 0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:53.040 play Devil's advocate and I'm gonna play con It's one 0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:55.360 of those situations where you really have to go into 0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:58.280 it differently and you can only kind a focus on 0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:00.920 the cons. There are no pros to racism, So I 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:04.800 think that's really what I get out of this that 0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:08.200 makes that's yeah, that's a great point. But what like 0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:12.440 making what I called you earlier? I'm like, what what 0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:15.760 can I say? Because I was reading the Instagram comments 0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:18.400 that they're saying, well, she hasn't said black lives matter, 0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:22.760 she hasn't said this, and so which was what I 0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:26.640 was asking. What will make you feel like we are 0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:29.880 your ally and we're here for you? And what kild like? 0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:33.080 What is that? Because I think that is where I 0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:35.080