1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Wind down and podcast. Okay, so I don't even know 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: how to start this. There's a lot going on right now. Um. 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: We actually had something else airing today. Um, but it 4 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: was it just didn't feel right to have what we 5 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: were going to air today air. It just wasn't relevant. 6 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: Well it was thought that it wasn't relevant. It just 7 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: it just didn't feel right to you know, because yeah, 8 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: so it just was like, so let me just rewind 9 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: like ten hours. So I know, we talked about it 10 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: the other day Mike, where I said, I obviously with 11 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: everything going on with George Floyd and the other events 12 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: that had happened this past few months and forever, honestly, 13 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: but this is where I just get where I'm like, 14 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: it's so hard to even say the right thing. But 15 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: I just felt really heavy in the heart, and I 16 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: I was talking to you yesterday, but yesterday I'm like, 17 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how to find words 18 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: to say what I even want to say. And I 19 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: deleted about a thousand different times. I mean all day 20 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: I was just on my phone trying to find the 21 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: right words. I'm like, no, that won't that, that's not it, 22 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: or no, or it's gonna know that's gonna be a 23 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: misinterpreted or no, and I just just deleted and I 24 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: kept saying. I was like, what can I say that 25 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: because I don't know what to say? And so you 26 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: had said, couldn't be more generic? Yeah, just general, because 27 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: I was shocked that you were getting d m s 28 00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: of people giving you ship for not saying anything, and 29 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: it's it's that frustrated me. So I was just like, 30 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: all right, if you're getting flat or not say anything, 31 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: just keep it. Yeah general and generic. We're we're all 32 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: human beings. Is just treat each other like human beings. 33 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: So I said that, but then it still didn't feel right. 34 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: Something still felt heavy, and it just didn't feel right. 35 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: So I then today at the pool called Mickey because 36 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: I've known Mickey guy in for Mickey, how long have 37 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: we known each other for through for at least five 38 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 1: six years now? Yeah? Yeah, So I called Mickey because 39 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: I just, first of all, I love Mickey. I've loved 40 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: her forever. Hey, I wanted to see how she was 41 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: doing and be I also want to say I want 42 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: to support you, but I don't know how, Like what 43 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 1: am I supposed to say so that you feel supported 44 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: and that she feels supported as an ever an American. Yes, 45 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: and it makes it makes me sad because I'm like, 46 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: I want you to know that I'm like here for you, 47 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: but I don't know how. I'm sorry. This isn't about 48 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: like I feel stupid and crying, but like it made 49 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: me sad because sorry, I feel bad that I don't 50 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: know how to support you. And so I called because 51 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: I wanted to say, like, I don't even know what 52 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: to say because I feel like this, you know, essentially 53 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: quote unquote a white privileged little girl, white girl, Like 54 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: what can I say to you to make you feel 55 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: like I'm here for you? And I've I've seen all 56 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: the like I'm here for you. I'm not black, but 57 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: I'm here for you. I'm not, but I'm like I 58 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: something just still felt disconnected. So I was like, I 59 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: just want to call Mickey to be like, what, like 60 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: what do I say that you will feel like like 61 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: is it even words? Like I don't even have the words, 62 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: and so I'm sorry, I don't like it's just like 63 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: I don't. I just feel like I'm at a loss 64 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: really of what to say that like I can support 65 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: like so here Vicky talk. Sorry, no, um there is, 66 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: without question, injustice happening in America against black people. And 67 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: it's been happening since before we were even a thought 68 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: it was. It's been happening since before our parents or 69 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: even a thought. This systemic racism is literally in all 70 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: of our DNA for things that we may have had 71 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: nothing to do with, but it is in. It is 72 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: alive and well. Today. Black men are mistreated and disregarded, 73 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: and people are they are feared. They can't walk down 74 00:04:54,640 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: a street without everyone holding onto their purse. They can't 75 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: walk in a grocery store or any kind of retail 76 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: store without checking themselves to make sure that people don't 77 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: think that they're stealing. This is so, this is their 78 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: life that they live all of the time. All of 79 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: the videos that you are seeing of black men getting 80 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: killed in the streets by policemen and hated by everybody, 81 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: it's been happening. We just now have phones, and we're 82 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: armed with phones two broadcast the injustices and the hate 83 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: that they're experiencing on a daily basis. And I know 84 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: you feel bad. There's a lot of us feeling bad. 85 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: We all feel bad. There. If you don't feel bad, 86 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: you don't have a heart because this is real. We're 87 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: seeing it and we can't deny it anymore. And we're 88 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: all so charged because we don't want this to be 89 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: that way anymore, and we must remember and and take 90 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: a moment to be grateful for that. There is way 91 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: more love than there is hate. There are so many 92 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: people denouncing and protesting against racism, and I understand. I'm 93 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: sure a lot of my white brothers and sisters don't 94 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: know what to say. So a lot of times, I'm 95 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: sure you've seen we've all seen these killings four years 96 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: and I'm sure five six years ago when you were 97 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: seeing the murders of a lot of other black men, 98 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure you thought about I need to post something, 99 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: I need to say something, But isn't my place. So 100 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: I'm telling everybody it is your place to stand up 101 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: and openly denounced racism. Period. And everybody says that all 102 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: lives matter, and that is absolutely true, all lives do matter, 103 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: but right now, black and brown lives do not matter. 104 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: And until black and brown lives really matter, all lives 105 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: don't matter. It's that simple, and so you can't say 106 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: all lives matter. I see a lot of people saying that, 107 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: and It's true all lives matter, but they don't right now. 108 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: They don't. Right now, we saw a man get murdered 109 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: in calling for his mother. And if people only ever 110 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: only knew what I've personally seen. I have seen in 111 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: vent Tura County, California, cops come to my home, take 112 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: my husband, throw him to the ground, tell him he's 113 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: not a lawyer. Tell people that is not our jag 114 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: parked in the neighborhood, being the only black people in 115 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: that neighborhood. I have seen the injustice myself, and after 116 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: seeing that, I would then have to go on a 117 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: stage and sing and act like everything's okay. And I 118 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: have absolutely saying on a stage and someone has called 119 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: me the N word, and I've just acted like it's 120 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: okay because that was just the way life is. I 121 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: expected that, because that's been the lot of my life 122 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: since I was born with this skin. And we're all 123 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: awake now, we all see it, and we are upset. 124 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: And I know for a fact, and country music, I 125 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: have so many good hearted, loving people that are not racist. 126 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: But it is not enough to be quietly non racist. 127 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: We all have to be openly non racist and shame 128 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: anybody that fills. Otherwise, if you love Jesus, if you 129 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: say that you love Jesus, then you cannot be a racist, period. 130 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: And there you have it, well, said Nicky, I ask 131 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: you this. Unfortunately, it's like, you know, people that are 132 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: are racist, people that are whether a police officers, whether 133 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: it's in business, whether it fans at your Shaw show 134 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: who disrespect you in that way, whether it's the police 135 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: officers that came and grabbed your husband, those people, if 136 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: their actions are showing that they're there, you know, biased 137 00:09:54,240 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: towards certain races and prejudice towards certain races. M with 138 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: all of the rioting, with the protests and everything. And 139 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: this may be naive to me to ask to even 140 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: stay this might be ignorant on my part, but it's 141 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: what's what's the end result? Because people are racist, this 142 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: is only fueling their racism. People that that aren't racist, 143 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: we're already not racist. So what so the one thing 144 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: I will say it does is for people that haven't 145 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: had to experience that, For people who are white or 146 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: Caucasian or even African American that haven't had to experience 147 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: but most likely have witnessed maybe those things. Sure it 148 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: awakes society up. That's like, hey, just a reminder, this 149 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,359 Speaker 1: ship is still going on, y'all. Like it's not the sixties, 150 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: it's you know, two thousand twenty, and it's still going on, 151 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: you know, sixty years later or whatever it is, Yes, 152 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: six years later. I have a I have a great 153 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: example for you. Think of a dog and the sweet, innocent, 154 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: loving dog, and imagine punching that dog over and over 155 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: and over again, slapping that dog, pushing him around, disregarding him, 156 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: not feeding him, not showing him any love. And then 157 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: the one time you touch him, all of a sudden, 158 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: he bites you back. And what happens to that dog? 159 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: Most likely he's going to get put down. So I 160 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: do not condone looting and destroying property. I do not 161 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: condone it whatsoever. But there are people who have seen 162 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: that are and the lowest communities like Corona is affecting 163 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: the black community, And as soon as everybody found that out, 164 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: it was like the oh, well, why are we even 165 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: staying outside right now? So these people, there are way 166 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: more people that are trying to peacefully protests, and those 167 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: are the ones that you need to pay attention to. 168 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: Those are the ones that truly want justice, and yeah, 169 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: for sure. And it's just it just sucks because it's 170 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: this is only these kind of when it gets to 171 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: the looting and rioting, it only segregates us even more. 172 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: It only separates us even more because again, your your people. 173 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: The people that are doing it in an inappropriate manner, 174 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: whether they're African, American, white has been, whoever it is, 175 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: are just fueling racism and segregation. So and you can say, 176 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: I'm going to have to interject before you keep talking 177 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: because it doesn't sound good. Looting and writing has been 178 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: learned from the slave days. This is historically what we 179 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: have seen people due to black people. If you really 180 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: study black history, which I have, think about all those lynchings, 181 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: think about all those people laughing and not even considering 182 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: people as human. We learned that from white people. That 183 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: it's history. This is four hundred years of oppression. And 184 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: by the way, this is supposed to be a you know, 185 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: this is to gain knowledge and to gain you know, 186 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: there's I have some questions to you that some podcasts 187 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: listeners want us to answer to. And this is just 188 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: too because you know, yeah, this is just like gaining knowledge. 189 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: So I don't want you to like because this is 190 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: just that uncomfortable situation, or we don't even know, Like 191 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: I just didn't want to be like no, I I 192 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: think like I want you to knowledge, give us knowledge, 193 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: because you know we sit here in our we don't 194 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: we didn't, we didn't have the same battles and struggles. 195 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: And you have to think about it. But when we're 196 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: high school and in college, we only learn the small 197 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: little pieces of black history. It's almost glossed over. You know. 198 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: It's like Martin Luther King, Malcolm X Rosa Parks, you know, 199 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: the civil civil rights movement, but you don't really dig 200 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: into to what actually happened to some of these people. 201 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: There were slaves, pregnant women that were raped, beaten, had 202 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: their babies cut out of their stomachs, and we had 203 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: to watch their baby get stumped on. That is in 204 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: history books. But you could say the same thing for 205 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: like the Jewish culture, right, yeah, but why isn't the 206 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: Jewish culture they have just as many, if not, you know, 207 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: reasons to feel oppressed. Maybe not so maybe not so 208 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: much in America. But it's look at their skin color 209 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: though that doesn't matter, That didn't matter when they were 210 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: going through what they're going through. It didn't matter their religion, 211 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: was there was their skin color essentially. Yeah, so it's 212 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: just I guess what's unfortunate, and I'm not obviously I 213 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: respect everything you're saying. My only and my the pessimism 214 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: in my mind is just thinking, well, ship, when does 215 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: this end? If it's about being oppressed for four years 216 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: and this ship is still going on, when will it 217 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: ever end? Will it ever? Yeah, that's a great question. 218 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know either. And the way 219 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: that the way things are going, it doesn't ask anybody 220 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: around the world, even Jewish people. Essentially, I'm gonna ask you, 221 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: would you want to grow up in the world as 222 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: a black person? Would you want to I'm trying to 223 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: choose my words because I don't want to minimize what 224 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: the black culture does have to go through. Like our 225 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: child does not have to worry about playing with a 226 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: toy gun. Ja's does not have to worry about a 227 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: toy gun. And that's where it gets me as a 228 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: mom to be like, Okay, that's where I kind of 229 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's not kind of. That's where I 230 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: get it. Where it's like Jason can run around with 231 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: a toy gun, without someone shooting at him. Right. But 232 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: to answer your question, no, I wouldn't have a problem 233 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: with it. But again, the grass is the grass may 234 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: seem greener, right, So I can't say because I haven't 235 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: experienced it. I'm sure there's African Americans who haven't experienced 236 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: any of that. Yeah, maybe their parents have, but I 237 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: get you. I bet you there's kids that maybe haven't. 238 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: Are you saying that's not you're telling me there's not 239 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: one African American that hasn't that has gone through life 240 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: and hasn't experienced, you know, having living without having experienced racially. 241 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: Your best friend is Jason, He's an African American. Has 242 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: have you ever asked him that question? And by the way, 243 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm just like, yeah, I mean, we haven't talked about 244 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: it in a long time, but I haven't He's never 245 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: expressed any of that to me. But I mean, so again, 246 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that playing the odds, I'm sure there's 247 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: there's somebody out there that hasn't been subjected to nicky 248 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: you're saying there, you know, honestly, it's this conversation is 249 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: very heavy for me, and to hear someone say that, 250 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: I highly doubt that all black people haven't experienced some 251 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: form of racism or oppression. It's just a numbers game. 252 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: It's not a racial games in numbers game. I'm going 253 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: to have to get off of this call. You cannot 254 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: say those things. You cannot Where am I saying this disrespectful? 255 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: All I'm saying is that there's a there's a possibility. 256 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: Is there a possibility? You know what? I got that, 257 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: I got it, I've figured it out. I don't approve 258 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: this at all. I don't approve this. Um I I 259 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: talked to Mickey, UM well, I think what really hurt 260 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: her is when you said you can't say I highly 261 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: doubt all black people have experienced racism and expect me 262 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: to want to sit there for that. Yeah, And I mean, 263 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: I know, I think I even saw the look on 264 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: your entries face where you guys are both kind of 265 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: like wide eyed after I said that, and I've I've 266 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: up there that was that was wrong and which you know, 267 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: we're kind of talking off the mic for a minute, 268 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: which is kind of the whole problem with all of 269 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: this these days. Is someone like me who has the 270 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: purest of hearts not an ounce of racism in my body, 271 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: and I mean, Janna, you know me like you know 272 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: my heart, you know, like there's none of that inside 273 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: of me. I was the minority in my profession and 274 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: the sport I played for of my life. So it 275 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: just goes to show that even when someone's intentions are pure, 276 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean what they're saying is is sensitive or 277 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: empathetic towards someone else. Because what how I said that 278 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: kind of negating Nikki's answer to my question was ignorant. 279 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: It was, And I wish I could take that back 280 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 1: and say that differently, because that's not my place to say. Two, 281 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: you know, have an opinion around that, That's not my place. 282 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: I'm a white male. Who am I to say that 283 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: or think that there's possibly one African American out there 284 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: that hasn't firsthand hm M experienced racism. That's unfair to 285 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: me to say, and that's ignorant of me to say. 286 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: But again, just to reiterate, this just goes to show 287 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: how even someone like me, who has the purest of intentions, 288 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: who was just trying to have a conversation with Mickey 289 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 1: about all of this, how things can just go wrong 290 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: in an instance. So, I you know, this is this 291 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: is hard times and I just I feel bad, like 292 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: you said at the top of the show, I feel 293 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: bad that you don't know what to do or don't 294 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: know what to say to support the people you know 295 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: and love that are on the other side of this 296 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: because we haven't had to experience it. Yeah, and that 297 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: sucks that they have had to. All Right, well, let's 298 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: take a break and then um, I'm gonna see if 299 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: we can try to get Mickey back on the show. Mickey, 300 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: thanks for coming back. And and this is her husband's grant. 301 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: And I you know, when just now Jane and I 302 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: were recording, and I acknowledge the fact that the manner 303 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: in which I asked the question wasn't sensitive to the issue, 304 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:04,479 Speaker 1: and I get that the the real insult was the 305 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: fact that I questioned your response that I said, I 306 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: I highly doubt that, And that just goes to show 307 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: my insensitivity to the situation. And I'm deeply sorry for that. 308 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: And what we're talking about is someone like me who 309 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: has the purest of intentions, who doesn't have an ounce 310 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: of racism racism in me, how ignorant I can still 311 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: be due to my lack of sensitivity. And I genuinely 312 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: and sincerely apologize for that. I hope you can hear 313 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: me from a good place that I'm at no disrespect 314 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: that I was wrong, completely wrong in the manner in 315 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: which I handled that, and I am truly, truly sorry, 316 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: as your friend m for saying it the way that 317 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: I did, for responding the way that I did. Racism 318 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: is something that you cannot play with. It is so 319 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: embedded and all events, and when you discount someone's experiences 320 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: that is mentally and emotionally damaging. Yeah, and I've worked 321 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: on a lot of myself for a long time, and 322 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: when you saying those things, you can take the one 323 00:24:49,400 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 1: too a really dark space, So that is irresponsible. This 324 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 1: is my husband, Grant's black, and I've seen people be 325 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: horrible to him for how he looks. I've seen it, 326 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: and he's not even as dark as I am. And 327 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: there are people that are darker than me. And when 328 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: you're doing that, it's harmful. It is so harmful. It 329 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: harmed me, and it took me back to a space 330 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: that I haven't been in a long time. I'm trying 331 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: to be as honest and open as I possibly can, 332 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: and with that, I asked that you hold that and 333 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: are gentle with that, I just want to say, like 334 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: from for Mike two, Okay, what I kind of what 335 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: I told Mickey during the like the break was that 336 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: we we debate a lot, and we we we asked questions, 337 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: and I think that was our bad for not going 338 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: into it with like more empathy. You know. That's that 339 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 1: because because ship the amount of times did I get 340 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: people mad at me because I debate situations or I 341 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: say things, and it's like and now I can learn 342 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: from situations where it's like, maybe I could be more 343 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: empathetic with how I ask a question. But in my amount, 344 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just debating and I'm just asking a question. 345 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: I'm just asking what you know, whereas not knowing maybe 346 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: how I could be how I might be hurting someone, 347 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: you know. And again I know, Michael, I know your 348 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: heart and your attention and I and I'm just I'm like, 349 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: I don't and I know Mickey's heart, and I know 350 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: her heart and her intentions, and it's I also know 351 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: that you're also trying to speak for other people to 352 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: go ahead. What you just said brought this up for me, 353 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: and I, Uh, what I did was I was just 354 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: guilty of doing the biggest thing that I tried to preach, 355 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: which is just treated human being, regardless of anything else, 356 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: like a human being. And I'm sorry, Mickey, because, like 357 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: Janna was saying, being on the show, we do kind 358 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: of get in work mode and we're used to asking 359 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: questions and asking hard questions. And I pride myself and 360 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: asking these questions that maybe stir the pot. But what 361 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: I did by doing that was I didn't treat you 362 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: like a human being in that moment, and I am 363 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: and that bothers the shift out of me. Thank you. 364 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: So I'm again, I'm sorry for allowing that. J And 365 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: I appreciate what you just said because that registered for 366 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: me that I behind this microphone, I got into into work, Mike, 367 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: and I wasn't treating you like a like a person. 368 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm just sorry. It's just, you know, whatever 369 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: it's anything to do with racism or the marginalization of 370 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: women and people of color, you have to go in 371 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: that with the most intentional intentions you could ever have 372 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: in those with those subject matters because it is so serious. 373 00:28:54,200 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: It is so serious. I live it every day like 374 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: I'm shaking great. Is there anything that I know You're 375 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: you're you're here and you know you're obviously probably heard 376 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: stuff during the break. Is there anything that you want 377 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: to say that you could talk about with all of this? Um? 378 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: I mean I think that, you know, just based on 379 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: what you guys are saying. You know, you guys do 380 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: this for the show, and I get it, and that's 381 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: what the debate is for. And you know, getting the 382 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: political discourse back and forth is what creates you know, good, 383 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: it's it's what creates the change in the world. The 384 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: problem is is when you're dealing with things such as 385 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: racism that are embedded so deep into the DNA of people, 386 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: you can't really go into it with the mindset of, 387 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: you know, we're just gonna debate this issue. You you 388 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: play Devil's advocate and I'm gonna play con It's one 389 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: of those situations where you really have to go into 390 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: it differently and you can only kind a focus on 391 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: the cons. There are no pros to racism, So I 392 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: think that's really what I get out of this that 393 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: makes that's yeah, that's a great point. But what like 394 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: making what I called you earlier? I'm like, what what 395 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: can I say? Because I was reading the Instagram comments 396 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: that they're saying, well, she hasn't said black lives matter, 397 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: she hasn't said this, and so which was what I 398 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: was asking. What will make you feel like we are 399 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: your ally and we're here for you? And what kild like? 400 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: What is that? Because I think that is where I 401 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: didn't have the words. I didn't know what to say 402 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: for a white woman. Right Well, like I said, completely 403 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: denouncing racism like not being around the bush, but saying racism, 404 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: it will not be tolerated. It will not be tolerated 405 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,719 Speaker 1: within my community, within my fan base, it will be 406 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: not it will not be tolerated. And black lives do matter. 407 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: People have to say black lives matter, because right now 408 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: they don't. I'm thirty six years old and I experienced 409 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: racism as a child, and it's twenty twenty and racism 410 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: is still being experienced. Little girls are experiencing racism. I've 411 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: posted a picture, I posted a video and on my 412 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: Instagram you can hear this young girl, a young girl, 413 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: have a perspective of feeling discriminated against a little girl. 414 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: And sorry, my thoughts are so jumbled right now. We 415 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: I think admitting that you don't know what because this 416 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: issue is so much bigger than any of us can 417 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: really wrap our minds around. Admitting that you don't know 418 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: how to cure the problem, but your willing to do 419 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,479 Speaker 1: whatever it takes, you know, admitting that you don't know 420 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: what it feels like to be black and you never will, 421 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: but you understand that there is an injustice and you'll 422 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: do whatever it takes to bridge that gap. Could I 423 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: get that? Totally? Great? But what is that? That's the thing? 424 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: Like we're like and I asked, I asked, Biggie Dan 425 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: Our phone calls like, how do I teach my daughter? 426 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, how do I continue to still 427 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: those values at her? To to love all colors? It it? 428 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: It loves like how am I supposed to? Like what 429 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: do I? What do I do? Do I? What do 430 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: I say to her? Like? What so that she doesn't 431 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: think other things? And nobody is different? Yeah, I think 432 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: there's no magic for it. I think it's like Mike said, 433 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: everybody is different and it is one on one thing. 434 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: And I just think that you know, saying something, whether 435 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: it's the right words or not, is better than not 436 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: saying anything. Problem. The problem is a lot of people think, oh, 437 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to say the wrong thing. You know, 438 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: it not my fight. I have never experienced racism, so 439 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: I'm not going to speak on it, and by not 440 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: saying anything, it actually lets the racism win. So whether 441 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: you're saying the right thing, saying something anti racism is 442 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: really what needs to be said. And it's such an 443 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: individualized way. You know, me saying this to you guys 444 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: is different than the way you would say to your daughter, 445 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: is different than the way I say it to my 446 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: you know, my coworkers. It's all very individualized, but it's 447 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: voicing that you see there is a problem and you 448 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: will not stand for it. And even when you everybody 449 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: gets pushed back. I get pushed back all of the 450 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: time for standing well women, music and any multiple causes 451 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: that I stand for. And nobody's ever going to be satisfied. 452 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: But majority people are going to be so excited. I've 453 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: gone on your page and I've seen so many people 454 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: say thank you. I've seen so many black women post 455 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: in people's pages, thank you for standing up, thank you 456 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: for saying something. And those are who we are reaching 457 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: out to to show people that are racists that they 458 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: have no place in this country. Yeah, I mean I 459 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: think that and that's why I like the conversation we 460 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: had today was at the pool, I was like and 461 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: where I felt bad and where I felt sad for 462 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: as as a friend, because I'm like, I I genuinely 463 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: just didn't know what to say. And I think a 464 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 1: lot of like there's I've seen like things means going 465 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: around like uncomfortable. It's like, because I am uncomfortable, I 466 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: don't know what that uncomfortability is. I think the comfortability 467 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 1: is that I don't don't know what to say and 468 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: what is enough and like to grant what you were 469 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: saying is you know, you know, but I like what 470 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: is it though? Like what what will like is it 471 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: going to the silent or the you know, the peaceful protests? 472 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: Is that like or is it just saying because I 473 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like words are so empty and 474 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's where I feel like it's false 475 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: flat for sometimes because I'm like when I say, like 476 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: when I see a big talent that gets destroyed by tornado, 477 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: I'm praying for this person, don't pray, donate or do 478 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,919 Speaker 1: this or do that. So it's like what I don't 479 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: want to just say, like I'm you know, black lives matter. 480 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: What can I do? So, what you can do is, 481 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: whenever you're shooting, whenever you're hiring people for your team, 482 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: think about considering young African American youth and talented young 483 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: people to work with you, to work for you. That's 484 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: a that's a start because African American people do have 485 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: a hard time finding jobs there. They have a hard 486 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: time finding space too, to work anywhere. And it's it 487 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: would be important for people to see more of that. 488 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: Invite more diversity into your world. Let it be genuine, 489 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: let it be natural. Not every black person is going 490 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: to be your friend, and and that's okay, but find 491 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: young individuals that you may not necessarily thought, even young 492 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: brown individuals. I think diversifying is a huge thing because 493 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: the more you see it, the more normalized it is. 494 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, yeah, but can I ask a 495 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: few questions that were asked or no, like I I respect, like, yeah, 496 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,359 Speaker 1: as long as it's not like debating certain things like 497 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, as long as it's not like the question 498 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: that gets the heart of weather racism exists or not, 499 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: you know, And then I think, yeah, but one of 500 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: none of those questions that but is it really that bad? Yeah, 501 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: and I can't even imagine. I think the one that 502 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw it on mine, but 503 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:52,919 Speaker 1: you know is a uh he said a long whole 504 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: thing that he goes. So if you truly want to 505 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: talk about this, maybe you should address the black on 506 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: black crimes. Like people that say that know, that's him debate, 507 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: that's him baiting. Yeah, but I guess I didn't understand 508 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: like baiting what like he's it's it's somewhat saying that 509 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: is like, oh well, if they're worried about the cop, 510 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: talk about all their black on black crime. Got it? 511 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,760 Speaker 1: Shift the focus elsewhere? Yeah, focusing on the racism between 512 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,760 Speaker 1: We're focusing on hatred within one troubled race. Yeah, okay, 513 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: that makes sense. Um uh uh. As a white woman, 514 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,839 Speaker 1: what do I say to my half black six year 515 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: old daughter? Okay? Um? I mean I had I grew up, 516 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,959 Speaker 1: I was a doctor. I'm half black, and my mom 517 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: is Japanese and Portuguese, and I was raised by a 518 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: white guy, a French guy, and he always got that 519 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 1: question for me, Hey, dad, you know, why do people 520 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: treat me differently when I go to school? And I 521 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 1: didn't get it because I grew up in a white 522 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: neighborhood in Carpenteria, Santa Barbara, you know, and so he 523 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,399 Speaker 1: would always say his son, he'd admit the fact, son, 524 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: your skin is different, but you're not different. And that's 525 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: what he would constantly tell me, is your skin is different, 526 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,439 Speaker 1: but you're not different. And I don't know if that's 527 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: the right thing to tell this little girl, but that's 528 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: what my dad told me. And as a woman, as 529 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:27,320 Speaker 1: a mixed girl, I hear from him all of the time, 530 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: wondering where is his place. There's sometimes he says I'm 531 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: not black enough, I'm not white enough, and those have 532 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 1: been issues that he's had growing up. That's issues you've had. Yeah, 533 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: I typically get I have a lot of When I 534 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: was in the end, I used to live over in 535 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: South Central and I wasn't black enough when I lived 536 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: over there, you know, I was always getting made fun 537 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: of for being light skinned. And then you know, when 538 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: I went when my family divorced and I went to 539 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,919 Speaker 1: high school in Santa Barbara, Carpenderia, I was always too 540 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: black and I was being called the N word and stuff, 541 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,320 Speaker 1: and so it's like, where's my place and my black enough? 542 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: Or am I am? I not dark enough, like where 543 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 1: am I? And then once nine eleven came around, I 544 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: looked Middle Eastern even though I'm not. And that's all 545 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: another thing that got added on top of it. So 546 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things for mixed people. You 547 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: get all of the hatred for being black, but none 548 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 1: of the credit for being white. And it's just those 549 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: things that's it's it's a sad reality. But you're not 550 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: dark enough and you're not light enough. Wow. Um, so 551 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: what's a tips are encouraging hate? Oh? Sorry? Number one 552 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: mistake white people make when talking about race. When people 553 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: say all lives matter. Yeah, I touched on that a 554 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: little bit earlier to Yeah, are saying black lives matter. 555 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: They are not saying that all lives don't matter. And 556 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: I think people are misconstruing that they're not saying that 557 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 1: all lives don't matter. We absolutely think all lives matter, 558 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: But the problem with that is when they're still marginalization 559 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: in this world, when they're still marginalization of people of 560 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,399 Speaker 1: color in this country and they're not treated equally, then 561 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: their lives don't really matter. And that's when they're saying 562 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: when they say black lives matter, When they say brown 563 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: lives matter. They we could put it too at the 564 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: end of that, and that probably make sense to a 565 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: lot of people were saying black lives matter. To pay 566 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:45,280 Speaker 1: attention to that, Mickey, that was the best, the best 567 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: that's ever been explained in my experience. So I appreciate that. 568 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,959 Speaker 1: That was very very well said. And I think that 569 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,800 Speaker 1: because that's when I definitely hear a lot right and 570 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: people society, here's a lot black, because that is how 571 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: it is interpreted at times, you know, And so I 572 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: I really that that was a lot of a lot 573 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 1: of clarity. So I appreciate that explanation that was that 574 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: was brilliant. Thank you. Absolutely, we're not saying that other 575 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: lives don't matter, because they do. We just want to 576 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: be We want to matter too. Another person said, how 577 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,399 Speaker 1: to get involved in change changing the system? I've seen 578 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: books suggested, so maybe, um, you know what else they 579 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: can do to get involved in changing the system. So 580 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:37,399 Speaker 1: balk In college, I um studied black history and our 581 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: teacher made us read this book called Black Like Me. 582 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 1: I wrote a song called Black Like Me, and this 583 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: book was written by John Howard Griffin, a white man 584 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: through radiation darkened his skin to look like a black 585 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,280 Speaker 1: man back in the nineties sixties during the Gym Crow 586 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:03,319 Speaker 1: Law era, during the Civil rights movement, and he went 587 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,840 Speaker 1: to see what it was like to be a black 588 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 1: man living in America in the nineteen sixties. And there's 589 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: some of the most profound quotes in there that you 590 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,760 Speaker 1: can read and a white man experience what it felt 591 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:22,879 Speaker 1: like to be black, and it's beautiful. It's a beautiful book. 592 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: I was inspired by the title to write a song 593 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: called Black Like Me, which I have snippets on my 594 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 1: social media, And you could start there, start really consider 595 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: diversifying your life, the people that you hire, the people 596 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 1: that you reach out to. Again, it has to be genuine. 597 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 1: Not everybody has to be friends. That is not the 598 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,760 Speaker 1: way the world works. But just reaching out and seeing 599 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: seeing people see us, see us. That's what we're asking, 600 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:10,879 Speaker 1: see us. I have a question, and it's it's more 601 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: of just I'm gonna say a phrase and I just 602 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,239 Speaker 1: want you want your all thoughts on it, because again 603 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,319 Speaker 1: it's something that I feel like society. Here's a lot 604 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 1: especially when racism, racism is is is brought up as 605 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: a topic. When someone starts talking about reverse racism, is 606 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,360 Speaker 1: that is that again kind of like the black on 607 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 1: black crime? Is that a misdirection? Is that like, how 608 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 1: do you get how do as African Americans? How do 609 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: you receive that phrase when someone brings that up? Reverse 610 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: racism or reverse discrimination is the concept that affirmative action 611 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 1: in similar color conscious programs for readdressing racial inequality or 612 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 1: a form of anti white racism. Well, let's look in 613 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,319 Speaker 1: the country music, right O. I'm a part of the 614 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: a c M Diversity Task Force, and I'm trying to 615 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:11,319 Speaker 1: help diversify the a c M, whether it's um in production, 616 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 1: the writers, makeup artists, sound people, even the talent just 617 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 1: to bring diversity here and people trying to give marginalized 618 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 1: people who don't get shots and chances to be a 619 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: part of programs like that. And when they're making that reach, 620 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 1: that is not reverse racism whatsoever. That is being inclusive. 621 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 1: So that's all I have to say about that. I 622 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 1: appreciate that. There anything else I want to I just 623 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: appreciate both y'all being willing to be vulnerable and kind 624 00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 1: of express you know, your feelings and everything during these 625 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,400 Speaker 1: times that are going on, and I am I do 626 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: empathize that this can't be easy to be an African 627 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,440 Speaker 1: American in this country, in this world, let alone in 628 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,800 Speaker 1: times like this. And I am I am sorry again 629 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 1: for for how I deliver things in an offensive, ignorant 630 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 1: way that has that's there's no part of me that 631 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 1: that feels that way or is that way, and the 632 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 1: people that know me know that for a fact. But again, 633 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 1: Mickey Grant, thank you guys for opening up. I mean, 634 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 1: the fact that you can recognize it, admit it, accepted, 635 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 1: and apologize for it is a lot more than anybody 636 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 1: that I know of. You know that's not black, to 637 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,319 Speaker 1: be honest, it's usually you get back on. If we 638 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,360 Speaker 1: were to start this conversation up, it would be you 639 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,319 Speaker 1: explaining why you said wasn't wrong, and it would be 640 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,239 Speaker 1: a hollow I'm sorry that you felt that way type 641 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,920 Speaker 1: of thing. But you know, but what you did, and 642 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 1: to answer Janet's question, you know, what you did is 643 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,400 Speaker 1: actively showing that you acknowledge racism and make steps towards 644 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: extinguishing racism. By acknowledging that you acted in a you know, 645 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,919 Speaker 1: a very you know, racist way. By commenting that way, 646 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 1: acknowledging the existence of it is inviting it. And I 647 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,040 Speaker 1: think that answers the question right there. And that's that's 648 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,200 Speaker 1: really big of me. Man. I don't know you that well, 649 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 1: but you know, I sat down with her because I 650 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: thought that what was gonna happen is you were gonna 651 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 1: try to side step your way out of it and say, look, 652 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 1: I'm sorry that the words I said made you feel 653 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 1: that way. I'm sorry you felt that way, but you 654 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 1: didn't you owned it and apologize for it and acknowledge it. 655 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 1: And I think that's step number one in society is 656 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 1: acknowledging it and owning it. Appreciate it, thank you all. 657 00:46:50,239 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. This is happy. Yeah, this is just heavy, man, 658 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: really heavy. You guys don't know the half of it. No, 659 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,719 Speaker 1: And I that's where I think that, like the real 660 00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:11,960 Speaker 1: empathy is like, that's where it's like, you know, we 661 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,040 Speaker 1: can get past it. There was the fourth of July 662 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: two years ago and we were out at my beach 663 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 1: house in in Ventura, California, shooting off fireworks like everybody 664 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 1: did over in Silver Strand everybody had a house or 665 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,839 Speaker 1: they shoot fireworks off your balcony back porch. We get 666 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 1: a knock from the door from the police and I'm 667 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: at my house, my name's on it, my cars in 668 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,879 Speaker 1: the driveway. They say, you know whose houses is, why 669 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,680 Speaker 1: are you here? No, I mean this is my house, 670 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,440 Speaker 1: my names. You want me to go get the title. 671 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,840 Speaker 1: I mean that's my jag in the driveway. They didn't 672 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 1: believe me for anything, so they I said, look, I'm 673 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 1: an attorney, I know my rights. You can't come across 674 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,360 Speaker 1: this threshold. They walked across the threshold of my doorway, 675 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,319 Speaker 1: drugged me out of my house in front of my 676 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,719 Speaker 1: and proceeded to pin me to the ground and beat 677 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,359 Speaker 1: me being tell me this isn't your house. What are 678 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,200 Speaker 1: you doing here? But you know what? As fucked up 679 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: as that was, and me having to go spend the 680 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: night in jail, and of course all charges were dropped 681 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,360 Speaker 1: because I didn't do a damn thing wrong. I still 682 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,239 Speaker 1: don't walk around and say, you know, fuck them, fucking Enta, 683 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 1: fuck the police. I I'm still trying to acknowledge that. Look, 684 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: I know that they fucked up, and I'm trying to 685 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,799 Speaker 1: move on. Instead of harboring the hatred that I should 686 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,440 Speaker 1: harbord for what happened to me, I just got rid 687 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,440 Speaker 1: of the house and moved out of the situation, and 688 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 1: I still believe that there's good in people, and I 689 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,120 Speaker 1: see that in Youtuo. I know there's good in people. 690 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,279 Speaker 1: Not everybody's like the people that stretched me out of 691 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,759 Speaker 1: my house, beat me up and locked me up. So 692 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 1: that's the last thing I have to say about it 693 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 1: is we all have to be positive no matter how 694 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,440 Speaker 1: bad it's been. Well. I really appreciate both of you guys, 695 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 1: and I think this is hopefully our listeners that are 696 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:54,319 Speaker 1: hearing this have are woard forward. They could have they 697 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,399 Speaker 1: could look at the beer a little bit more introspectively 698 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 1: and do a deeper check on themselves and be the 699 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:07,279 Speaker 1: change for you know, just be the change man. Yeah, 700 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,160 Speaker 1: if you can itself, that's first and less, you know, 701 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:16,839 Speaker 1: so the first step to self work. And I will say, 702 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:23,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's you know, when I listened to things 703 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,400 Speaker 1: like when I listened to music and I hear, for example, 704 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,280 Speaker 1: Mickey's got a song out called what Are You Gonna 705 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,759 Speaker 1: Tell Her? And I remember hearing that song for the 706 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 1: first time, and I think about Jolie because that was 707 00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 1: the same thing. I don't know what I'm going to 708 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:40,200 Speaker 1: tell her? What do you tell her? You know? And 709 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,960 Speaker 1: I can't even imagine like all of this, it's like, 710 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,120 Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell her. I don't know, 711 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,840 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, And it's I just I 712 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: love your song. I love what it stands for right now, 713 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,920 Speaker 1: and you know, it's just it's just I have no 714 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 1: freaking clue what I'm going to tell her. Well, let 715 00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,520 Speaker 1: me tell you something amiss. All of the races them 716 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 1: that is happening in this country. Women are still being oppressed. 717 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 1: We're all the same, We're all in the same boat. 718 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,040 Speaker 1: We're really freaking ore. There's a lot of pain. This 719 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,760 Speaker 1: world is on fire right now for a lot of things, 720 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,800 Speaker 1: for injustices happening the black and brown people, for injustices 721 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:30,160 Speaker 1: happening to women, for COVID, Like it is heavy right now. 722 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 1: It is heavy. I just appreciate you guys, and I 723 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:40,279 Speaker 1: appreciate this whole conversation coming back together because if it 724 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,960 Speaker 1: would have just En did that, because contrary to what 725 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,120 Speaker 1: this isn't about the great exist about, this isn't about 726 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,120 Speaker 1: any of that, Vikio, you know, like this is this 727 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:53,000 Speaker 1: is the problem. This is like this conversation and being 728 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,920 Speaker 1: able to come back, like you said, granted to be 729 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,800 Speaker 1: able to have a conversation and to have this talk 730 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,160 Speaker 1: and just to to to empathize, but in a place 731 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,799 Speaker 1: where you you know, we well, it's just yeah, this 732 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,600 Speaker 1: is I just feel like this is I hope people 733 00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,439 Speaker 1: can understand where we're at right though. Yeah, I feel 734 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 1: like and all, it's so much more love in this 735 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:24,440 Speaker 1: world than we Yes, that so much more love. And 736 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:31,759 Speaker 1: no matter what riots and looting, selfish, horrible, mean spirited 737 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,719 Speaker 1: people and racists, there are way more good people that 738 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,240 Speaker 1: do not stand for that, and that's where we will rise, 739 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,759 Speaker 1: and that's where we will all win, and we just 740 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,920 Speaker 1: have to join together. A been to that. Well, thank you, 741 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,319 Speaker 1: Bicky Grant. I really appreciate it. I'm glad that you know. 742 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,239 Speaker 1: I just I love all of you guys, So I 743 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:57,160 Speaker 1: just yeah, yeah, thank you, Thank you guys again for 744 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,920 Speaker 1: myself for being willing to come back around. And I 745 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,520 Speaker 1: make up that that wasn't easy. He had every right 746 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,880 Speaker 1: not to, every reason not too. So I respect the 747 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,160 Speaker 1: hell out of both of you guys being willing to 748 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,760 Speaker 1: do that and forgive me for for my moment of ignorance. Um. 749 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,840 Speaker 1: So I just I hope that this conversation can maybe 750 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,600 Speaker 1: help somebody out there, like you said to to wake 751 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,799 Speaker 1: one person up, two people up, whoever it is, so 752 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:36,040 Speaker 1: we really appreciate both, y'all. Thank you, Thank you guys. Okay, bye,