WEBVTT - Lawyers, Guns and Money

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<v Speaker 1>The mystery of the seven million dollar Wells Fargo robbery

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<v Speaker 1>in Connecticut two years ago apparently was partially solved today

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<v Speaker 1>with the arrest of thirteen people. On a surprise disclosure.

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<v Speaker 1>On August night, more than two hundred federal agents descended

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<v Speaker 1>upon dozens of locations across Puerto Rico and the continental US.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI raids began after dawn in San Juan and

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<v Speaker 1>nearby cities. Eleven people were rounded up in Puerto Rico,

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<v Speaker 1>another was arrested in Dallas, one more in Boston. Thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>suspected members of Los Macha Tero's and their associates were

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<v Speaker 1>arrested in connection to the Wells Fargo heist, among them

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<v Speaker 1>Juan Zigara, who learned of the indictment beforehand and fled

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<v Speaker 1>to Mexico with his wife and kids. It didn't work,

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<v Speaker 1>As one explains in the Last American Colony documentary, he

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<v Speaker 1>was arrested did on the same day at an airport

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<v Speaker 1>in Dallas as he tried to sneak back into the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. This guy followed me, had a big cowboy

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<v Speaker 1>hat and cowboy boots, you know, so it was pretty noticeable.

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<v Speaker 1>And then all of a sudden, I sense. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy with the cowboy boots here on one side,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's three other people, one on one female, and

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<v Speaker 1>two other guys are on me, and he said, you're

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<v Speaker 1>under arrest for bank robbery. Los Macha Terro's leader, Philiberto

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<v Speaker 1>Ojeda Rios, was met with a starkly different approach. Around

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<v Speaker 1>six in the morning, a team of FBI agents converged

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<v Speaker 1>on the apartment Philiberto shared with his wife in Puerto Rico.

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<v Speaker 1>FBI records claim he emerged from the top of his

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<v Speaker 1>staircase and engaged in a shootout with federal agents, leaving

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<v Speaker 1>one man permanently blind in one eye. When Philiberto was

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<v Speaker 1>forcibly taken out of his home nearly an hour later,

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI said he was holding a pistol in one

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<v Speaker 1>hand and an oozy in the other. Eventually, the embattled

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<v Speaker 1>Macha Ros leader surrendered was taken into custody. Four fugitives

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<v Speaker 1>were also named in the indictment, including Victor Harana. The

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<v Speaker 1>arrest would mark the start of a long and complex

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<v Speaker 1>legal battle, one that dragged on for years and raised

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<v Speaker 1>questions about the limits of federal law, Puerto Rico sovereignty,

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<v Speaker 1>and the powers the President of the United States could wield.

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<v Speaker 1>Previously on White Eagle, we did several role plays in motels,

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<v Speaker 1>so there was gonna be no question about him being

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<v Speaker 1>able to mobilized the guy with the element of surprise

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<v Speaker 1>and then take him down. They buy a loader, they

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<v Speaker 1>basically stuck it from the cash and behind him, and

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<v Speaker 1>they take victory and they stuffed him in a place

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<v Speaker 1>behind the false wall. What the money did was corrupted

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<v Speaker 1>the man terris. Some wanted to keep its money. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to send any more money to Cuba. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is sem William Phelps. I'm an investigative journalist and

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<v Speaker 1>author of more than forty true crimes. What you were

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<v Speaker 1>about to hear is the true story of a heist,

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<v Speaker 1>one that funded an international independence movement and sparked an

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<v Speaker 1>investigation spanning nearly four decades. This is White Eagle. From

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<v Speaker 1>the start. The legal battles involving the Macha terrorist and

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<v Speaker 1>their associates were contentious to this day. The Wells Fargo

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<v Speaker 1>case is still considered one of the longest and most

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<v Speaker 1>complicated legal cases in the history of federal court. There

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<v Speaker 1>was tremendous support and sympathy, or at least neutrality, so

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<v Speaker 1>as a result, many of the big law firms in

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<v Speaker 1>Hartford donated their lawyers to the Welsh Fargo legal team.

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<v Speaker 1>Ronald Kobe is a criminal defense and civil rights attorney

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<v Speaker 1>who has been practicing law for the better part of

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<v Speaker 1>forty years. In five, ron was fresh out of law

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<v Speaker 1>school and off to a promising start working the Wells

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<v Speaker 1>Fargo case and training under legendary civil rights attorney William Kunstler.

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<v Speaker 1>Back then, Kunstler was considered one of the country's most

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<v Speaker 1>famous lawyers, in large part because of his work representing

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<v Speaker 1>controversial clients such as members of the Black Panther Party,

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<v Speaker 1>the Catonsville Nine, and the Chicago Seven. Counselor and Kubi

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<v Speaker 1>worked together for more than a decade, representing everyone from

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<v Speaker 1>civil rights activists two members of the Gambino crime family.

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<v Speaker 1>The pair became so well known. Also made an unoffici

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<v Speaker 1>show cameo in a certain nineties cult classic film at

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<v Speaker 1>one hour forty one minutes in The Big Lebowski. In

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<v Speaker 1>the Malibu police station scene, as the dude is slammed

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<v Speaker 1>across the desk, he utters the greatest words ever uttered

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the history of cinema. I want to lawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>I want, Bill Conster, if you can't tell already. Ron

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<v Speaker 1>Koby is a dynamic character. He has a long gray

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<v Speaker 1>ponytail and easy going demeanor. He loves to talk and

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<v Speaker 1>is the kind of guy that will keep you on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone for hours. He has a page on his

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<v Speaker 1>legal website dedicated to his dogs, which he proudly refers

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<v Speaker 1>to as his law dogs, but his resume speaks for itself.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be unwise not to take Ron Kobe seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>Bill and up representing Philiberto ad Rios. I ended up

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<v Speaker 1>representing Philibert's lieutenant, if you will, Louis Alfredo coldon Osorio,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And it was Warren Zevron who said lawyers,

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<v Speaker 1>guns and money, and we had at least two out

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<v Speaker 1>of the three. We had lawyers, and we had money,

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<v Speaker 1>and probably some people had guns too, but that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a part of the legal defense. So we were prepared

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<v Speaker 1>to fight the government, and the government was not prepared

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<v Speaker 1>for a legal channel. It's important to note that Ron's

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<v Speaker 1>comments are the recollections of a criminal defense attorney who

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<v Speaker 1>argued on behalf of the macha Ros, but he provides

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<v Speaker 1>unique and rare insight into what went on behind the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes As those involved in the Wells Fargo heist went

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<v Speaker 1>to trial, Ron says Day one of core proceedings turned

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<v Speaker 1>out to be nothing short of a circus. We showed

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<v Speaker 1>up to to the most massive military style presence I

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<v Speaker 1>had ever seen in any case ever. You know, they

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<v Speaker 1>had black clad snipers on the rooftop, They had shooting

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<v Speaker 1>positions taken up all around the courthouse. They put in

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<v Speaker 1>brand new concrete barriers to prevent suicide bombers. Everybody had

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<v Speaker 1>an automatic rifle. The Wells Fargo case was a big

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity for federal prosecutors. For years, the FBI and Puerto

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<v Speaker 1>Rico and prosecutors in the US had been trying to

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<v Speaker 1>prosecute Los Machateros members for acts of pro state violence.

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<v Speaker 1>More often than not, they'd come up short. Even when

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<v Speaker 1>the group took credit for an illegal event, agents had

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<v Speaker 1>a hard time identifying those directly responsible. Just as former

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<v Speaker 1>FBI agent Bob Hybel, who spent years investigating Los mach Teros,

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI didn't have the capability to penetrate these organizations

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<v Speaker 1>because they didn't have the sufficient bilingual agents to put

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<v Speaker 1>in San Juan to do the job. They were going

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<v Speaker 1>through the motions with this and leaving it all up

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<v Speaker 1>to the blue of Puerto Rico. In many ways, the

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<v Speaker 1>Wells Fargo robbery changed all that. The mach Teros committing

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<v Speaker 1>the Wells Fargo heist was one of the biggest mistakes

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<v Speaker 1>they ever made. The reason is that in Puerto Rico,

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<v Speaker 1>the legal system had been so penetrated by leftist attorneys

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<v Speaker 1>that it was almost impossible to get a conviction on

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<v Speaker 1>a perpetrator that you had cut in the act. The

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<v Speaker 1>FBI didn't catch the group in the act, but it

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<v Speaker 1>did collect a mountain of circumstantial evidence, including hours of

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<v Speaker 1>wire tapped conversations. It wasn't always easy to decipher what

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<v Speaker 1>was said in the tapes, though. The Macha Terros used

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<v Speaker 1>the system of code names for nearly everything, people places, operations.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Harford current reporter ed Mahoney. They always had crazy

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<v Speaker 1>up missing strat things like bank robberies, were expropriations and

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing. Nearly every mach Terris associate had

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<v Speaker 1>at least one, if not five, pseudonyms. One member went

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<v Speaker 1>by the nickname Frank, another was known as Jumbo, Philiberto

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<v Speaker 1>was Greco. As for its clandestine activities, The Macha Terris

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<v Speaker 1>preferred animals for code names. La Gaviota, which translates to seagull,

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<v Speaker 1>was the name for the Muneese air based bombing. Elchivo

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<v Speaker 1>Spanish for goat was code for a plan to free

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<v Speaker 1>and assassinate an incarcerated former Macha Tero who was suspected

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<v Speaker 1>of being an informant. As for Aguila, Anka, turns out

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<v Speaker 1>there was more to that code name. Questioned by the government,

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<v Speaker 1>FBI agent Jose Rodriguez testified about it in court. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>during the course of your FBI electronic surveillance, were you

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<v Speaker 1>able to determine where Aguila was? Yes, ma'am and where

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<v Speaker 1>is Aguila? On July the thirteenth, four, in the vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>of Filberto Rios, a conversation was intercepted. They were discussing

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<v Speaker 1>Aguila and the fact that his female companion wishes to

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<v Speaker 1>be with him. They mentioned that the female companion is

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<v Speaker 1>on probation, and they stayed in this conversation that Cuba

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<v Speaker 1>is an attraction for him. It's real because he has

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<v Speaker 1>been there. And who is Aguila? Aguila is Victor Manuel Hereina.

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<v Speaker 1>In those wire tapped conversations, agents also learned the group

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<v Speaker 1>was beginning to fracture. They'd hear members bickering about how

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<v Speaker 1>to spend the money, when to take credit for the heist,

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<v Speaker 1>or whether the Cubans took too much of the cash.

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<v Speaker 1>The fighting got so bad at one point during the

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<v Speaker 1>summer of the group had split into two factions, one

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<v Speaker 1>of which included Juanzagara and Philiberto Ojeda Rios. In one exchange,

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<v Speaker 1>Philiberto can be heard discussing how he was actually voted

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<v Speaker 1>out of the Macha Ros Central Committee, the internal governing

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<v Speaker 1>body that he helped found. And the guy he's a

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<v Speaker 1>memory of the Cuban intelligence service, the guy that makes

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing work is so Hada, and they demoted him,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, which is ridiculous because without him there's no organization, basically,

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<v Speaker 1>an organization famous for its meticulous planning and secretive structures

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<v Speaker 1>had devolved into chaos, and the FBI they took full

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<v Speaker 1>advantage of the situation. The United States of America versus

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<v Speaker 1>Victor Manuel Harrena at All was a legal slug, a

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<v Speaker 1>long uphill battle with twists, turns and a seemingly endless

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<v Speaker 1>number of procedural delays. Take as an example this fact,

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<v Speaker 1>the first hearing in the case took place on September three.

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<v Speaker 1>As for the actual trial, opening arguments didn't happen until

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<v Speaker 1>there was a massive quantity of evidence against the defendants

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of sheer volume, not quality, but volume. And

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean by that. There were thousands of hours

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<v Speaker 1>of wire tapped communications that had been intercepted over a

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<v Speaker 1>period of years. There were forty five separate searches, so

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<v Speaker 1>there were hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of pages

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<v Speaker 1>of documents. So there was a massive quantity of evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>but the government was amazingly sloppy. It didn't seem like

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<v Speaker 1>any of them were preparing to process it in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that would be usable at trial. Kuby says, even

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<v Speaker 1>with the primary suspect nowhere to be found, it was

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<v Speaker 1>still plenty to litigate. There were emotions to have the

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<v Speaker 1>trial moved to Puerto Rico, where almost all of the

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<v Speaker 1>defendants lived and where defense attorneys said they were less

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<v Speaker 1>likely to face bias. Those were denied. There were issues

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<v Speaker 1>with the nature of the material sees from the defendants homes.

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<v Speaker 1>What was fair game under the warrant, what was personal?

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<v Speaker 1>What was just the FBI grabbing anything and everything it

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<v Speaker 1>could in case it might matter lay her. They basically

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<v Speaker 1>took everything, and some of it was was just hysterically

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<v Speaker 1>funny out of my client's home. I think they took

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<v Speaker 1>a tape, a video tape called Jazzer Size your Thighs,

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<v Speaker 1>which was an exercise video like like the Macha Terro's

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<v Speaker 1>are going to squeeze America to death between their powerful knees.

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<v Speaker 1>What possible evidence could this be? They took children's coloring books,

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<v Speaker 1>and they took everything that made any reference to Puerto Rico,

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<v Speaker 1>all the history and literature and books on or buy

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<v Speaker 1>or about Puerto Rico, all of the Puerto Rican flags,

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<v Speaker 1>every scrap of anything that made reference to the thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of your history about this place. Everything was taken as

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of terrorism. Perhaps the biggest dilemma, though, was the

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<v Speaker 1>issue of those wire taps. The defense filed motions to

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<v Speaker 1>throw a large portion of that evidence out, saying it

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<v Speaker 1>had been improperly sealed and that in some cases federal

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<v Speaker 1>agents had listened to conversations without recording them and then

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<v Speaker 1>they lied about it. The FBI was really, really, really

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<v Speaker 1>good at collecting eavesdropping tapes and wire tapping and paying

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<v Speaker 1>attention to the tapes and collecting intelligence information. They were

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<v Speaker 1>really bad at adhering to the requirements of the wire

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<v Speaker 1>tapping law, which meant that at the expiration of a

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<v Speaker 1>particular warrant, the tapes had to be sealed within thirty days.

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<v Speaker 1>What sealed actually means is exactly that they are put

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<v Speaker 1>in plastic bags. There is a seal put on them

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<v Speaker 1>that contains the dates, the times, that ticulars of the tape.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't open the bag without breaking the seal. And

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<v Speaker 1>the purpose is to maintain the integrity of the tapes

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<v Speaker 1>where U s at trial, and also to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI isn't doing what we know they did, which

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<v Speaker 1>is sharing these things with other people who have an

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<v Speaker 1>interest in the Macho terros who might want to listen.

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<v Speaker 1>And the government totally screwed that up. A judge agreed

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<v Speaker 1>more than half of the wire tap tapes were deemed

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<v Speaker 1>it admissible, and the government's case against the number of

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<v Speaker 1>Los Materos was split into two. The trial for half

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<v Speaker 1>of the group, which included Filiberto, Ojeda Rijos, was delayed

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<v Speaker 1>while an appellate court reviewed the tapes. The trials for

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<v Speaker 1>the other half move forward. Philiberto was let out on

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<v Speaker 1>bail after spending thirty two months in jail. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>question was where is Philoberto going to go? So Richard Harvey,

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<v Speaker 1>who at that time was serving as co counsul To Kunstler, said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>he can live with us. He can live with the

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers up in Hartford in our law commune. What what

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<v Speaker 1>could be better than living living with your lawyer, I

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<v Speaker 1>ask you, and he did. He moved in. He's really

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<v Speaker 1>happy to be out of prison. And he is just

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing human being. I mean, first of all, he's

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<v Speaker 1>a revolutionary to the marrow of his bones. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rican patriot. But he can do other things. He

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<v Speaker 1>can play the guitar, he can play the trumpet, he

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<v Speaker 1>can do things around the house that need to be

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<v Speaker 1>done that he was willing to do. Because Philiberto fundamentally

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<v Speaker 1>was also a communist in the best sense of that word.

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<v Speaker 1>He knew that he always had to contribute through his

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<v Speaker 1>labor to everything and everywhere he was, and he knew

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<v Speaker 1>that all labor had dignity. And so he cooked. He

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<v Speaker 1>cooked for the house, and he was a fantastic cook,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, making up rice and beans and mofungo and

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<v Speaker 1>other Puerto Rican delicacies. For me, I recognized that this

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<v Speaker 1>was a a great man of Puerto Rico. I had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea how great, and I had no idea ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>that he would have a legacy as early as he did.

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<v Speaker 1>But I knew that, you know, this is like Cha Bavara,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, growing up the cheeseburger. For me. The Liberto

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<v Speaker 1>remained in that Hartford law house for several months and

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<v Speaker 1>then returned to Puerto Rico, where he cut off his

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<v Speaker 1>ankle bracelet and jumped bail. More on that later, Like

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<v Speaker 1>his mentor, Juan Zagar, spent over two years in jail

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<v Speaker 1>before he was granted bail. Unlike his mentor, however, he

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<v Speaker 1>stayed put his case, along with four additional members of

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<v Speaker 1>Los MACHOs, went to trial. The trial relied less heavenly

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<v Speaker 1>on wire tapped evidence, in part because federal prosecutors had

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<v Speaker 1>flipped two witnesses, Kenneth Cox, a friend of One's who

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<v Speaker 1>admitted to helping him acquire fake I d s. And

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<v Speaker 1>Anna Gasson, wants former lover who laundered some of the

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<v Speaker 1>stolen money. Now, what did Mr Cigara relate to you

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<v Speaker 1>at that time he related to me that a robbery

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<v Speaker 1>happened in Hartford. What did he say happened to the money?

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<v Speaker 1>The money went to Springfield in cars. Did he tell

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<v Speaker 1>you what happened to the money after he got to Springfield? Nope?

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<v Speaker 1>Did Mr Cigara tell you what happened to Mr Harina?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes he did. What did he say happened to Mr Harina? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>one time he told me Mr Harina was taken on

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<v Speaker 1>the night of the robbery from Hartford to Springfield on

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<v Speaker 1>a motorcycle. And what happened after that? He told me

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<v Speaker 1>he was taken to Boston, then to Mexico. Defense attorneys

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<v Speaker 1>railed at the use of Kenneth Cox as a witness,

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<v Speaker 1>calling him quote an accomplice, an addict, a man with

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<v Speaker 1>a criminal record who's being paid for his testimony and

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<v Speaker 1>kept out of prison for his testimony. For what it's worth,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the above was true. Cox was arrested twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one times in twenty five years, and actually went to

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI about Wells Fargo the day after he was

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<v Speaker 1>arrested on a shoplifting charge. Juan Zigara's ex mistress, Anna Gassin,

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<v Speaker 1>was a far more compelling witness like one. She graduated

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<v Speaker 1>from Harvard, where she studied biology. Her testimony went on

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<v Speaker 1>for days and reads like a novel. I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>there's two major reasons, which for me are part and

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<v Speaker 1>parcel of the same thing, which is that I loved

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<v Speaker 1>this man and respect of the values that he shared

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<v Speaker 1>with me. It was that respect which was also part

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<v Speaker 1>of the reason why you loved him most probably, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Anna Gassin was initially charged as an

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<v Speaker 1>accomplice in the Wells Fargo case, but was granted immunity

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<v Speaker 1>in exchange for her testimony, and for good reason. She

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<v Speaker 1>claimed that Juan asked her to keep about thirty five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars in a trunk under her bed, which she did.

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<v Speaker 1>She said. One also asked her to transport money across

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<v Speaker 1>the US Mexico border, which she didn't. Did Juan Cigara

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<v Speaker 1>ask you to become involved in this plan to transport

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<v Speaker 1>money to Mexico? Yes? Would you tell us please what

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted you to do? Well, there was a couple

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<v Speaker 1>that was supposed to drive the camping truck across, and

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted the couple to be non Hispanic, to be white.

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<v Speaker 1>By a couple, you mean a man and a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>man and woman. Yes, he had already had the man

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<v Speaker 1>who was supposed to drive across, and there was a

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<v Speaker 1>woman who was supposed to come from Puerto Rico to

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<v Speaker 1>drive across, and she couldn't because of some health reasons

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<v Speaker 1>or something. What's more, Anna testified that Juan had admitted

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<v Speaker 1>he was behind the Wells Fargo heist. She said he

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<v Speaker 1>also asked her deposit cash into her bank account and

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<v Speaker 1>write checks to people in Puerto Rico, some of whom

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<v Speaker 1>were later found to be alias is of Matris members.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there was his own written account of Wells Fargo,

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<v Speaker 1>a manuscript that Juan hoped would one day be turned

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<v Speaker 1>into a screenplay. He told us the purpose, as you

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<v Speaker 1>understood it, for the writing was to be made into

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<v Speaker 1>a movie. It was going to be turned into a

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<v Speaker 1>screenplay by someone else. So his objective was to write

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<v Speaker 1>down what exactly had happened so that someone else who

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<v Speaker 1>was a writer could then turn it into a screenplay.

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<v Speaker 1>What I saw was his version, not the screenplay. Lawyers

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<v Speaker 1>for the defense called Wan's manuscript questionable, saying it was

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<v Speaker 1>a work of fiction and that key details didn't line up,

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<v Speaker 1>But the testimony along with some of the wire tapped

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<v Speaker 1>evidence did the trick. On April eleven, Juan Sagara was

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<v Speaker 1>convicted on eleven counts, including aiding and abetting a robbery

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<v Speaker 1>and helping to transport stolen funds. He was sentenced to

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five years in prison. The other men received varying sentences.

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<v Speaker 1>Two were found guilty of conspiracy, another of conspiracy and

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<v Speaker 1>the transport of stolen money. The last was completely exonerated. Philiberto,

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<v Speaker 1>who was still on the lamb, was sentenced to fifty

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<v Speaker 1>five years in absentia. Fundamentally, the Wells Fargo case was

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<v Speaker 1>an attempt to crown laws the Puerto Rican Arms Struggle

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<v Speaker 1>independence movement, but to do so in a place where

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<v Speaker 1>there would not be so many sympathizers to that movement.

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<v Speaker 1>After the Wells Fargo verdicts, questions shifted from who was

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<v Speaker 1>responsible and whether they'd be caught, to a debate that

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<v Speaker 1>has continued for the better part of forty years. Were

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<v Speaker 1>members of the Macha terris violent terrorists who robbed the

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<v Speaker 1>bank or were they at war with an occupying force

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<v Speaker 1>and within their rights under international law. In most cases,

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<v Speaker 1>the crime story usually ends with the trial and conviction,

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<v Speaker 1>but This is unlike most cases. It's complex and politically charged.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not some plea about a robbery. And to truly

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<v Speaker 1>understand the surprising fate that would befall a number of

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<v Speaker 1>the Macha Tero's, including Victor Juan and Philiberto, we need

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<v Speaker 1>to take a step back several decades in fact, and

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<v Speaker 1>look at their efforts in the context of a larger movement,

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<v Speaker 1>one of mass protests, clandestine organizations, and open rebellion in

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<v Speaker 1>the halls of Congress. Those movements date back to the

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<v Speaker 1>moment of the Spanish American War, when there were already

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<v Speaker 1>folks who wanted to seek independence in the way that

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<v Speaker 1>Cuba was seeking independence. Dr Yari mar Boni a Ramos,

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<v Speaker 1>who spoke in the last episode, is an expert in

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<v Speaker 1>Caribbean politics. She also runs a center for Puerto Rican

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<v Speaker 1>Studies at Hunter College in New York. That current was

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<v Speaker 1>always sustained and always had important figures, most notably, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Pedro Albizu. Compost is often called the father of Puerto

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<v Speaker 1>Rico's moderate independence movement. He was born just a few

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<v Speaker 1>years before the US annexed the island and spent a

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<v Speaker 1>majority of his life either fighting for independence or in

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<v Speaker 1>prison for his efforts. Here's retired FBI agent Bob Hybel.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens is that a nationalist group is swarmed, was

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:19.159
<v Speaker 1>called the Nationalist Party of Puerto Rico. Albiscampos becomes the

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<v Speaker 1>leader of that group. They're quite militant, They participating in

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 1>elections in they're defeated, significantly defeated. From then on they

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<v Speaker 1>turned the violence. Lbizo compost was a man of bold action.

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<v Speaker 1>He led a strike on Puerto Rico's Light and Power

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<v Speaker 1>company for its alleged monopoly on the island. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a Harvard educated lawyer who represented sugarcane workers in a

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<v Speaker 1>lawsuit against the sugar industry. In ninety seven, roughly one

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<v Speaker 1>year into a ten year prison sentence for a conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>to overthrow the US government, peaceful protests by his Nationalist

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<v Speaker 1>party turned deadly. The poets a massacre is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the clear examples of criminalization and stay balanced against the

0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 1>pro independence movement that University of Illinois professor Dr. Jose

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<v Speaker 1>tell us. It took place in the context of the

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<v Speaker 1>encarceration of pederal bisup Campos and all the leadership of

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:24.160
<v Speaker 1>the Nationalist Party. The new leadership of the party organized

0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:28.720
<v Speaker 1>a demonstration and the Puerto Rican State and with the

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<v Speaker 1>support of the US, denied the permit for this public

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:36.960
<v Speaker 1>demonstration English. You know, it was just a political rally.

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<v Speaker 1>And when they canceled the authorization to have that rally,

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<v Speaker 1>the insular police, now the Puerto Rican police, just started

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<v Speaker 1>shurting and around twenty people die, around hundred were injured.

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<v Speaker 1>No one was arrested or formally held accountable for the

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:02.520
<v Speaker 1>pont massacre. By the time albi Zoo Compost was released

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<v Speaker 1>from prison in nineteen forty seven, tensions had started to

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<v Speaker 1>boil over. People were angry about the ongoing police repression

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:13.440
<v Speaker 1>as well as a controversial gag law. By October of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty, thousands of pro independence activists had had enough

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 1>in stage revolts in towns and cities across Puerto Rico.

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<v Speaker 1>In Washington, d C, two men attempted to assassinate President

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:29.879
<v Speaker 1>Harry Truman in the name of independence. One of the

0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:34.440
<v Speaker 1>men was killed, the other jailed, along with Albizoo composts

0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 1>in thousands of others. Then, four years later in Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>D C. Ruthless fanatic violence erupted in the halls of

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<v Speaker 1>Congress three men and a woman believed to be members

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<v Speaker 1>of the Puerto Rican Nationalist gang that in November nineteen

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:55.840
<v Speaker 1>fifty attempted the assassination of President Truman opened fire from

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<v Speaker 1>the visitors gallery of the House of Representatives. The attack

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<v Speaker 1>by Raphael Cancel, Irvin Flores, Andre's Figueroa and Lolita Lebron

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<v Speaker 1>was deemed a continuation of the revolts. Five congressmen were wounded.

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<v Speaker 1>There were no intending to kill members of Congress, but

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 1>they were aware of the possibility that they might die.

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<v Speaker 1>So in that context, they were trying to get the

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<v Speaker 1>international and the u S attentions to the case of

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<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rico and what was happening in Puerto Rico with

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 1>the repression and criminalization, but also with the process a

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:37.920
<v Speaker 1>sham process of the colonization. Lolita Lebron said quote, I

0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 1>did not come to kill anyone. I came to die

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:46.680
<v Speaker 1>for Puerto Rico. Like Albizo composts, Lebron and her compatriots

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:51.520
<v Speaker 1>received lengthy prison sentences and these people become heroes to

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 1>certain elements in Puerto Rico. And the result of this

0:29:55.200 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>criminal activity, the nationalist parties prosecuted in court and its

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 1>leaders go to prison. Albizo compost was released from prison

0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:09.959
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty four after being pardoned by Puerto Rico's governor.

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<v Speaker 1>He died a year later from what many believed to

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<v Speaker 1>be the effects of radiation poisoning. The Nationalist Party as

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 1>a party ceases to exist, However, the adherents of the

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Nationalist Party continue their activities relative to violent terrorist methods.

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Bible says the nationalist movements of the forties and

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<v Speaker 1>fifties deeply inspired Philiberto Ojeda Rios. He idolized Albizo Composts

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<v Speaker 1>and left his career as a musician with the intention

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:47.960
<v Speaker 1>of picking up where his predecessor had left off. Additionally,

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<v Speaker 1>both he and Juan Sagara have said they believe that

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<v Speaker 1>the group's violent conflict with the US government is perfectly

0:30:56.160 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 1>legal under international law. That they're not terrorists, they're fighting

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:06.080
<v Speaker 1>for self determination. It's a point I raised with dr Attilus.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a really interesting question that international lawyers would

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<v Speaker 1>devade for hours. In theory they were in the right right.

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<v Speaker 1>We have the u N Resolution fifteen fourteen fifty that

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<v Speaker 1>and recognize the right of the people to self determination.

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<v Speaker 1>There is an old UN resolutions, a series of resolution

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<v Speaker 1>that acknowledged the right of people on the colonial condition

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<v Speaker 1>to pursue the self determination. Here's Dr Bonia again. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's hard to say how Puerto Ricans viewed loss

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<v Speaker 1>in a kind of homogineous way, because I think there

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<v Speaker 1>were lots of different views about them. For some folks

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<v Speaker 1>they were kind of like boogeymen. They were, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>bandits hidden in the mountains and shadowy figures. For others,

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<v Speaker 1>they were heroes and celebrated. Dr Bonia is too young

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 1>to remember of the group's more violent operations, but says

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 1>she always understood that there were Puerto Ricans hidden away

0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 1>avoiding what she called the repression of the U. S. Government.

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<v Speaker 1>The violence that I remembered was more of the violence

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<v Speaker 1>of surveillance, the carpet, the quintel pro politics, the FBI.

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<v Speaker 1>Like my memory of the independence movement is of a

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<v Speaker 1>movement repressed, surveilled, and criminalized. And to me, that's the violence.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that I most fervently remember. When I first heard

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<v Speaker 1>about the Wells Fargo case as a sixteen year old,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't make much sense. Why would Victor Harain a

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<v Speaker 1>steal money he couldn't keep even more puzzling, why would

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<v Speaker 1>he agree to leave his family and live the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of his life as a fugitive. Years later, as I've

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<v Speaker 1>looked into the story myself, those questions have evolved into

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<v Speaker 1>a different frame of thinking reflecting on the facts of

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<v Speaker 1>the case. Within a historical context, what the Macha Teros

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<v Speaker 1>were striving for, at its core was really no different

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<v Speaker 1>from what the forefathers of America did during the eighteenth century.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about this. We had colonists fighting, robbing the British

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<v Speaker 1>of arms and money, blowing things up, all in the

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<v Speaker 1>name of independence. It's the same ideology. And while wan

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<v Speaker 1>Zigara has said that he knew there was a good

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<v Speaker 1>chance they'd all end up quote in prison or dead,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe for one minute he didn't think there

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<v Speaker 1>was another potential outcome. Because in nineteen seventy nine, just

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<v Speaker 1>a few years before Wells Fargo, then President Jimmy Carter

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<v Speaker 1>did the unthinkable. He commuted the sentences of Lolita Lebron

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<v Speaker 1>and three others, including Oscar Koyazo, one of the men

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<v Speaker 1>who attempted to assassinate President Truman. After his release, Koyazo

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<v Speaker 1>told nbc AT decades later he had zero regrets at

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<v Speaker 1>all fighting for the film of the country. If there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to have remars off, I'm more committed than never

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<v Speaker 1>every minute of my existence. If she would use violence again,

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<v Speaker 1>I will do what is necessary for deliberation of Puerto Rico.

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<v Speaker 1>You see, clemency was an option for the Magic terrorists,

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<v Speaker 1>and they all knew this, especially if there was someone

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<v Speaker 1>powerful enough who found their sentences unfair and believed that

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<v Speaker 1>their initial fight was for a just cause. And as

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out, there was someone I William Jefferson Cletton

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<v Speaker 1>do solemnly swear next time on White Eagle. Today we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to focus on the President's decision to offer clemency

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<v Speaker 1>two members of a Puerto Rican terrorist group. A presidential

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<v Speaker 1>order ignites a firestorm in Congress. White Eagle is written

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<v Speaker 1>and executive produced by Me and William Phelps and I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart executive producer Christina Everett. Additional writing by our supervising

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<v Speaker 1>producer Julia Weaver. Our associate producer and script supervisor is

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<v Speaker 1>Darby Masters. Audio editing and mixing by Christian Bowman, Voice

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<v Speaker 1>acting by Daniel Cologne, Julia Weaver and Abu zafar Our.

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<v Speaker 1>Series theme forms regal or Grant is written by Aaron Kaufman.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks to Arlene Santana and Will Pearson at I Heart Radio,

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<v Speaker 1>and a very special thank you to Northern Night Productions

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<v Speaker 1>for allowing us to use clips from the documentary The

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