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Speaker 2: So, if you've ever wondered to yourself, we is it

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Speaker 2: weird that I talk to AI about my feelings?

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Speaker 1: The answer is no, it's not weird.

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Speaker 2: Right, It's important to know what it can and can't do.

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Speaker 2: And also, as we evolve as humans in this digital age,

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Speaker 3: I quote of the day the essence of therapy has

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Speaker 3: always been relational, and that cannot be replicated by an algorithm.

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Speaker 3: That quote comes to us from Chris Hoff, and I

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Speaker 3: want to say that quote one more time for the

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Speaker 3: folks in the back. The essence of therapy has always

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Speaker 3: been relational, and that cannot be replicated by an algorithm.

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Speaker 3: All right, see, I have my thoughts geared up and

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Speaker 3: ready to go. But it's I want you to go

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Speaker 3: ahead and tell me what you think when you hear

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Speaker 3: this quote.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so when you I was trying to keep myself

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Speaker 2: read the quote, I was like, oh, let me think,

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Speaker 2: what am I going to say about this? And I

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Speaker 2: had a flashback. And we'll dive more into this in

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Speaker 2: a minute, but I had a flashback which is probably

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Speaker 2: going to support your statement on how you feel about

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Speaker 2: it often and I use the voice feature, we're chatting

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Speaker 2: and I was talking about something very important and there

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Speaker 2: like damn, So I had to repeat what I was

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Speaker 2: then another thing I want to say is talking about

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Speaker 2: And I had a little aptitude like I want the

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Speaker 2: what comes up for you?

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Speaker 1: What comes up for you as you hear this quote?

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Speaker 3: I mean to me this quote, this quote catch just

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Speaker 2: And with that said, oh, go ahead, no, go ahead

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Speaker 2: and we're gonna talk about it.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we're diving into the nuances of living

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Speaker 2: but it can be a powerful support tool when you

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Speaker 2: call it self support. Okay, so I'm not saying that

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Speaker 3: And even with any of my cautions, misgivings, personal feelings

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Speaker 2: I feel like they are like a couple buckets, right,

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Speaker 2: They don't trust it, and they're usually I mean again,

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Speaker 2: we're not saying this, but some people feel that using

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Speaker 3: No, I think you explained it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, what about this next one? Chat GPT psychosis.

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Speaker 2: I've seen stories about people who are marrying their AI.

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Speaker 2: a robot drive me around, and I.

437
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Speaker 1: Was so shook.

438
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Speaker 2: I mean, even lifting Uber that was a big thing

439
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 2: when that started. I was like, getting that car with

440
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: a stranger who's not a taxi.

441
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 3: Their personal vehicle. That's weird. And we do it now, yep,

442
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: And we.

443
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 2: Do it now on a regular gladly, happily, and now

444
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 2: I'm letting I let a robot drive me around. So

445
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: I think it's just being open, being compassionate with ourselves,

446
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: and also doing our research and being well equipped to

447
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 2: handle the new developments that we have in our world today.

448
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I think that is important. That is important

449
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 3: to acknowledge.

450
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Speaker 2: Yes, So we have a couple different different paths for

451
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 2: this conversation. So I feel like we can probably get

452
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: this gut check. I think we kind of got the

453
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Speaker 2: gist of that. So what we're gonna do now is

454
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Speaker 2: we're going to go into some practical ways people use

455
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 2: chat GBT for mental or emotional support, and we'll kind

456
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Speaker 2: of add some add some flavor to these different points. Okay,

457
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Speaker 2: So number one, you can use it as a journal

458
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Speaker 2: right to reflect, process or just I don't know, express

459
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Speaker 2: your feelings or even talk to your inner child.

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Speaker 3: Right.

461
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Speaker 2: But again I'm gonna use journal with an asterisk because

462
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 2: you want to be mindful of what you're putting into

463
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Speaker 2: the tool.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a good point. And then but the

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Speaker 3: second one is it can help you put your emotions

466
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Speaker 3: into words. So all of us have had those moments

467
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 3: where we're trying to parse out like we're we've just

468
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Speaker 3: experienced something and we're not quite sure how we're feeling

469
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: about it, and maybe we don't have someone readily available

470
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 3: to help us talk it out. And we can share

471
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: all of that into chat GPT like word vomit, the

472
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 3: whole thing, yep, and chat GPT can help you consolidate

473
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Speaker 3: and organize what you are feeling and put it into

474
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Speaker 3: words that will you can then use to communicate the others. Yes, caveat,

475
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 3: it's based on what you provided mm hm. So if

476
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Speaker 3: you don't give it the full context, it's only going

477
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 3: to give you what you give it exactly.

478
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Speaker 2: It is only as powerful as your prompt and some

479
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: of the kind of add a little bullet point under

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Speaker 2: what Domd just shared. I've used it for grounding exercises,

481
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 2: breathing techniques, or even mindset shift. So that's something else

482
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: that you could do when it comes to like putting

483
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 2: your emotions into words. And then number three here is

484
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: if you're spiraling or feeling stuck in negative thinking, you

485
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 2: can also ask it to reframe your thoughts gently and

486
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 2: with compassion. So literally again, I'm an avid user now,

487
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 2: So today I had that midday long and I was like, bruh,

488
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 2: we gotta record the pod. Okay, we got three episodes

489
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: we're recording today. We have work, we have other things.

490
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: I'll like chat. I'm feeling a little low energy. Can

491
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: you give a help give me a boost?

492
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 2: I gave it already knows my schedule for the day,

493
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: so I'm like, give me a boost, And it gave

494
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: me some really great advice about think about how you're

495
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 2: going to feel at nine pm at night when you've

496
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 2: gotten all the things done like just push through, take

497
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: a little dance break, and then push through. And it

498
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 2: gave me more context around my particular scenario.

499
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Speaker 1: But it was hopeful.

500
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Speaker 3: I can appreciate that. I can definitely appreciate that. And

501
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 3: so then the next thing is that it can help

502
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: you develop the scripts when you're having difficulty trying to

503
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 3: identify exactly what it is that you how you want

504
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: to phrase something. So we talk about it on a podcast.

505
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 3: I talk about it with clients all the time about

506
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 3: setting boundaries right. So let's say that you are communicating

507
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 3: with someone via email, via text message, or you know

508
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: you have an important conversation coming up and you're not

509
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 3: exactly sure how to say it in a way that

510
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 3: will help the other person understand you. You can put

511
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 3: that into chat GPT, and chat GPT will help you

512
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: come up with the scripts. My caveat with that is

513
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 3: you don't have to read a word for words. Yeah,

514
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: it's not meant to be verbatim. You can use it

515
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: as a starting point. You can use it as an

516
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 3: idea generator. So you put in the scenario and what

517
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 3: it is that you're wanting, the outcome that you're wanting,

518
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: and it gives you something to say, and you can

519
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 3: look at it and you can say, you know, despite

520
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 3: all the information that I put in chat GPT, this

521
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: still doesn't quite feel like my voice. But this but

522
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: I make a few edits and I'm there. This is great.

523
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: That's right.

524
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: Definitely make it your own for sure, use it. Yes,

525
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: definitely make it your voice. And number five is you

526
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: can use it to guide visualizations or manifestations. This is

527
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,239
Speaker 2: one of my favorite use cases. So whether it's a

528
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: future self exercise or a quick confidence boost. One of

529
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: the things that I love to do is put my

530
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: ideal life narrative into chat giput and have it paint

531
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Speaker 2: a visual picture of it. So in the morning, when

532
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: I do my meditation, I'll click on the speaker icon

533
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: and have Chat read through my ideal life near this is,

534
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: I close my eyes and I envision all this so

535
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: I can feel that idol life as I'm manifesting it.

536
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: So that's another really great use case for it.

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Speaker 3: I can appreciate that with you. And so then the

538
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 3: next one is it can help you build routines and strategies. Right,

539
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: so let's say that you're wanting to incorporate fifteen minute

540
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: quick workout routine into your daily schedule and you're not

541
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: quite sure exactly where it can fit in. You can

542
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 3: provide chat GPT with the information on your schedule and

543
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: what it is you're hoping to accomplish, and chat GPT

544
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: can generate that schedule for you with those things your

545
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: goals added in. I haven't used it personally for this,

546
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Speaker 3: but see tell us what that is.

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00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: Yes, girl, you already know, so, yes, I've used it

548
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 2: for my I put in my work out my ideal

549
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: body goals, and then it helped me create my workout

550
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: routine that I use when I go to the gym

551
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: three days a week, my meal plans to support that,

552
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: and then also like journaling prompts and like a lot

553
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: of the work that I do, I'm using it for

554
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: that and it's been really it's been really useful. So

555
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: that is definitely that's a good one building routines. But

556
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: now we want to transition and we want to talk

557
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: about the power and limits of AI and mental health.

558
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: And I feel like, look, as a therapist, you should

559
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: cover the caution and I'll cover the good because I'm

560
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 2: like an end user who's like, oh, yeah, you know,

561
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: our perspectives. That's why I love the wrath this conversation together.

562
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: So I'm going to highlight some of the good. There's

563
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: probably a longer list here, but I'll cover a couple

564
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: main points. One, it's always there, and it's the accessibility, right,

565
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: you can use the day or night.

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00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: Love that.

567
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: The second one is that you can say pretty much

568
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Speaker 2: any let me put anything with the asteris because I

569
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: was talking about some trauma and chat was like this

570
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 2: too much. Tat literally would say, we can't talk, we

571
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: can't go any further. This is to what you're sharing.

572
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: I believe it said that what I was sharing was

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Speaker 2: I'll be testing the limits, y'all.

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00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: Okay.

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00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: I think it said something like it doesn't align with

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00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: their guidelines or something. So we couldn't finish that conversation.

577
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: So that's another example of probably going under the caution there.

578
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: But you can say almost anything and there's no fear

579
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 2: of being judged or shamed. And then number three is

580
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: it can help you think out loud and makes sense

581
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: to off a perspective for jumbled emotions, which I've definitely

582
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: used it for and that's been helpful.

583
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: But now gonna get into the caution.

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00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: The cautions all right, So, as we mentioned, it is

585
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 3: not trauma informed, so it does not know your full story.

586
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: It cannot know your full story because thereas you just

587
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: pointed out, once you start sharing certain things, it stops you, right.

588
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: So if it doesn't know all of those things, some

589
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 3: of what it provides will not be a be accurate.

590
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: It also doesn't know your nervous system, so it does

591
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 3: not know how your body is responding unless you type

592
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: that in there, and even then it's still not going

593
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 3: to be able to give you an accurate reading or

594
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: accurate response. So that means that it's mipping that emotional

595
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: nuance and the advice that it puts out could feel

596
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 3: pretty generic even when you're giving more specifics. Another thing

597
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 3: is that it runs on the information that it's been fed, right,

598
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: so it goes off of what all users have been

599
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 3: putting in. Unlike humans, it's not able to get curious

600
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: or generate new ideas. And that's what we can offer

601
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: as human beings, like we're able to take information and

602
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: generate new ideas. How do you think chat GPT became

603
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 3: a thing because it was a new idea from a

604
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 3: human mind. It cannot sit in silence with you. Sometimes

605
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: being in space with someone with another human and being

606
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: absolutely still can provide a certain level of comfort and

607
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 3: ease that GPT cannot give you. That it cannot pick

608
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 3: up on your body language or what you might be avoiding.

609
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 3: And this is something that I can point out in

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00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: like if I'm in a therapy session with someone, and

611
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 3: hell not not only in a therapy session, in general

612
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: interaction with people that I know well, I can say,

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00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: based on history or observing body language that they're a

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00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 3: void something and I, with my eyes can maybe even

615
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 3: observe what it is that they might be avoiding, that

616
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 3: like the specific thing that they might be avoiding and

617
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 3: name it that GPT cannot do that. The other caution

618
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: is that sometimes it hallucinates or gives incorrect information. Yeah,

619
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: so it's important that even with the information that it provides,

620
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 3: that you cross check to make sure also that the

621
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: sources are accurate because not necessarily related to therapy, but

622
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 3: I know I have heard of instances where scholars have

623
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 3: been quoted or cited. Their work has been cited with

624
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 3: an AI too. I'm not going to say what was

625
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 3: specifically check GPT, but with an AI tool, within an

626
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: AI tool, and they never said it, they never created

627
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 3: that work, oh lord. And so I think it's important

628
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: to verify the source, so use trusted sources. So, if

629
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: chat GPT tells you that here are five strategies you

630
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 3: said that you're feeling depressed, here are five strategies from

631
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: ABC Medical School, cross reference that check out. Check out

632
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 3: ABC Medical School's website and see what they actually say

633
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: to make sure that it's accurate. The key here, lady,

634
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: if you can't, if you haven't picked up on it yet,

635
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 3: the key here is to use discernment.

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00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: Dom One of the things I want to share, So

637
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: there's this Psychology Today article that was really interesting, lady.

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Speaker 2: If you want to look it up, we may put

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00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: it in the show notes about it, give you the titles.

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00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: You can look it up as well.

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00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 2: It's called chat GPT Induced Psychosis and the good Enough Therapists.

642
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: And two of the key points that I thought were

643
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: really interesting and just something to keep in mind, right, like,

644
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: you can use the tool like the tool, but also

645
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: hold the caution in hand as well.

646
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 3: Right.

647
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: And so what it says is chat bots tend to

648
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: tell you what you want to hear, and too much

649
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: of this can be destabilizing. Human therapists help to thrive.

650
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: I mean, human therapists help us thrive by steering us

651
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: toward adaptive life narratives. And one of the things that

652
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: talked about in the article, which I'm sure you can

653
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 2: relate to, Dom, is that therapists are not necessarily supposed

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Speaker 2: to agree with you all the time. They're supposed to

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Speaker 2: see the things that you're avoiding and also push you

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Speaker 2: to get outside of your comfort zone, right and do

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Speaker 2: things that you may not normally want to do, versus

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Speaker 2: this tool that's telling you like, you're so amazing, You're

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Speaker 2: so great, everything you think is great potentially, And so

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Speaker 2: there's something else to keep in mind, right.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that chat GPT is going to be biased,

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Speaker 3: can be biased based on the information that you're providing

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Speaker 3: it exactly if you're telling it that you need a

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Speaker 3: cheerleader or that you're needing us, you're needing support around

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Speaker 3: ABC and D, it's not going.

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Speaker 1: To challenge you, all right, y'all.

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Speaker 2: So we are going to close this conversation out by

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Speaker 2: sharing ways that you can protect your info and yourself

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Speaker 2: when using chat rept. Okay, so number one is be

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Speaker 2: mindful of what you share please don't, please don't share

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Speaker 2: your address, your phone number, your social Security number, or

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Speaker 2: medical record info. Ever, just don't do it, Okay. Even

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Speaker 2: though chat GPT is designed to forget conversations unless explicitly saved,

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Speaker 2: it's still best practice to treat it like it's public space.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: You don't know how This tool is still new to us, right,

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Speaker 2: so think of it like journaling out loud. But don't

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Speaker 2: put your whole life red man there, right, like, we

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Speaker 2: need to have some boundaries even with chat GEBT. Number

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Speaker 2: two is check your chat history settings. So in chat

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Speaker 2: shabt settings under your profile, you can turn off chat

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Speaker 2: history and this means that your conversations won't be saved

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Speaker 2: to your history or use to improve the model. You

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Speaker 2: don't want to be having the data that you're putting

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Speaker 2: in there. I just recently do this because I saw

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Speaker 2: an AI person share this online, So let me go

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Speaker 2: make sure I'm not training the model with my data

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Speaker 2: and my information. So you can go to your settings

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Speaker 2: and data controls and make sure you turn that off.

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Speaker 2: And if you're using chat schabt to vent or process

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Speaker 2: something deep, turning off the chat history can also give

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Speaker 2: you extra peace of mind. Okay, so let's make sure

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Speaker 2: we do that as well, all right. Now, Number three

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Speaker 2: is know that it's not secure like therapy notes. Unlike

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Speaker 2: a licensed therapist who's legally bound to confidentiality like HIPPA right, CHATCHBT,

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Speaker 2: it is not subject to those same rules. It's not

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Speaker 2: a private practice, and it's not protected in the same

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Speaker 2: way that a clinical record is. So again, you want

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Speaker 2: to be mindful of what you're putting it in, what

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Speaker 2: you're putting into the tool, right, don't treat it like

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Speaker 2: it's your therapist's locked filing cabinet with.

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Speaker 1: Your information, so be mindful.

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Speaker 2: Number four is use it for support, not diagnosis. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so chat GBT. It can offer some emotional comfort, but

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Speaker 2: it's not a substitute for a therapist, a coach, or

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Speaker 2: a doctor. It may provide general advice, but don't rely

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Speaker 2: on it for medical, psychiatric, or legal decisions.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: It's a what did you say earlier, dom a consultant, right,

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Speaker 2: not a mental health professional.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Number five here is add context for safer better responses. Again,

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Speaker 2: as we said before, it's only as powerful as you're

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Speaker 2: prompt so the more clearly you explain your emotional state,

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Speaker 2: or just like what you're going through in general and

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Speaker 2: what you're looking for, the more helpful and sensitive it

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Speaker 2: can be. So for example, you know, I'm having a

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Speaker 2: rough day, I feel overwhelmed because X y Z happened.

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Speaker 2: What ways can you support me to process this gently?

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Speaker 2: Right versus fix my anxiety or something like that. Right,

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Speaker 2: it's smart, but it's not psychic, so help it help you,

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Speaker 2: all right? Number six is if you're in crisis, just

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Speaker 2: shy away from chat GBT and reach out to a human.

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Speaker 2: That is the best thing to do. Like, if it's

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Speaker 2: a crisis situation and you're feeling hopeless or in danger overwhelmed,

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Speaker 2: we would highly recommend that you not rely on AI

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Speaker 2: and go to a human because you are very vulnerable

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Speaker 2: when you're in that state, and so you want to

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Speaker 2: make sure that you have someone who's there with the sensitivity,

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Speaker 2: the expertise, and the knowledge to support you appropriately. And

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Speaker 2: then number seven here is something that I have done

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Speaker 2: and I think this is super important. Program your chat

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Speaker 2: GPT instance with your values in mind, right, so tell

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Speaker 2: it how to talk to you, name your needs, include

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Speaker 2: your worldview or beliefs, and set clear boundaries so that

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Speaker 2: you can have that sort of baked into the responses

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Speaker 2: that you get, and it can feel more tailored to

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Speaker 2: meet you and your needs and meet you where you are.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to actually add we'll add all of

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Speaker 2: this in the show notes. You can see it in

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Speaker 2: the notes, so we won't do a recap. We'll just

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Speaker 2: add in the show notes there for you. Okay, So

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Speaker 2: check out the show notes lady, and make sure you

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Speaker 2: You know we are black founded, black funded, and what

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Speaker 2: is the other We were black founded, black funded, and

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Speaker 2: we're black created.

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Speaker 2: Only there we go. I forgot what I always say,

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Speaker 2: forgot my little tagline. But yes, come support us, lady.

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Speaker 2: and dom I think we can head on over to

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Speaker 2: the after show. Nothing else to cover, all right, ladies,

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Speaker 2: So visit herspace podcast dot com if you want to

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Speaker 2: see us, and also tune into the after show, where

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Speaker 2: we're going to dive a little bit deeper into this topic.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you there.

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