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Speaker 1: Quest Loft Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Good People. What's good, y'all?

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Speaker 3: This is Questlove and your tune into Quest Love Supreme

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Speaker 3: and we got some things in the works for the

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Speaker 3: future of this podcast, but in the meantime, we are

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Speaker 3: looking back and celebrating our catalog. It's the month of May,

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Speaker 3: so thematically, I've been thinking a lot lately about the

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Speaker 3: idea of giving people their flowers while they're still.

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Speaker 4: Here or while they can still smell them. And this

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Speaker 4: is something we always talked about on QLs.

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Speaker 3: It's not just the icons, the big names, but the

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Speaker 3: folks behind the scenes, the ones whose work and presence

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Speaker 3: quietly shape the future. The ones who change the room

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Speaker 3: just by walking into it, or change your.

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Speaker 4: Life by just being in it.

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Speaker 3: It's bigger than just saying, while you're a legend, you know,

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Speaker 3: give these people their flowers. On QLs, we always try

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Speaker 3: to say and say loud you met. And here's why,

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Speaker 3: because if we don't celebrate our heroes, our peers, our

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Speaker 3: people who will So anyway, today we're picking some May

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Speaker 3: flowers and some of these clips from the show. Over

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Speaker 3: the last nine years, we got the Pointer Sisters, three

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Speaker 3: different members of cool in the Gang runned Dette Cooper,

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Speaker 3: Climax producer and songwriter Leebroy Burgess. These are all icons

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Speaker 3: that you need to know, and what better place to

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Speaker 3: begin than with the legendary Frankie Beverly. So in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three, coustlep Supreme was granted an interview with Frankie

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Speaker 3: Beverly and the recent years he hasn't done that many

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Speaker 3: interviews at all, and this one was a rare opportunity.

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Speaker 3: And what's more, we were able to do it in

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Speaker 3: person at Iheart's Hollywood Studios, and we caught it off film.

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Speaker 3: All right, So in this clip you'll hear me Frankie Beverly,

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Speaker 3: his family members Will Beverly and Miss Deborah Beverly Pugh

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Speaker 3: as well as like you and Fonte heloone and I

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Speaker 3: really love what Fonte says to Frankly about soundtracking some

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Speaker 3: of the happiest times in life for so many of us.

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Speaker 3: As I called out in this episode, we titled this

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Speaker 3: one QLs gives.

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Speaker 2: Frankie Beverly his flowers. It's an integral.

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Speaker 4: Part of this two part retrospective.

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Speaker 3: So would you say that songwriting was therapeutic for you?

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Speaker 2: In terms of expressing yourself.

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Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, yeah, because I'll say that love like oftentimes

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Speaker 5: I think people will tend to type cast soul music

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Speaker 5: in R and B as somewhat like meaningless love music

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Speaker 5: or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think coming from you, especially the way you sing.

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Speaker 3: There's such a gentle comforting almost right, Yeah, And it's

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Speaker 3: such a gentle Normally, gentle singers are are like like

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Speaker 3: high like falsetto smoky stylistics, and so it's very rare

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Speaker 3: to hear a baritone voice that's that gentle and that.

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Speaker 6: Sort of thing. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: I'm reflecting to you.

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Speaker 1: What I'm only showing you what you what you are.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, like in the sixties and seventies, when most

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Speaker 3: lead black singers were high falsetto.

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Speaker 2: High voices whatever.

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Speaker 3: For you, was there was that ever an option like

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Speaker 3: to figure out because sometimes like Ronald Eisley.

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Speaker 1: Will go between his high voice and his low voice.

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Speaker 3: But for you, was there Oh okay, I was gonna

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Speaker 3: be the singer.

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Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, the approachable every day guy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I get that, And.

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Speaker 7: That's what he really it was approachable.

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Speaker 8: That's a that's a.

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Speaker 2: Good term approachable. I see that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he was approachable.

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Speaker 9: What do you What was I thinking?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, what do you think?

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Speaker 8: Now?

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Speaker 9: I was you know what I was just thinking. I

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Speaker 9: was like, yeah, because I was thinking about awards, and

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Speaker 9: I was thinking about like these Grammys and these all

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Speaker 9: these awards, and I was like, to my recollection, you

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Speaker 9: guys don't have a lot of those. But the acceptance

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Speaker 9: of you in the community, and I've seen you speak

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Speaker 9: about this.

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Speaker 10: Before, far exceeds.

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Speaker 9: So that everyday manism that you're talking about, it's worth

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Speaker 9: so much more, it looks like than the untouchable of it.

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Speaker 11: All right, Yeah, that's very true, honey. It seems like

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Speaker 11: our people really supported us, even from a young stage,

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Speaker 9: As we could.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I've been to I've had the privilege attendant on

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Speaker 12: one of your shows. You came to my hometown at Raleigh,

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Speaker 2: This was this was some years back, and y'all played

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Speaker 12: It was outside, and I mean you came out and

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Speaker 12: it was full of people and they sang every word.

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Speaker 2: They sang every word. I was like, if Frank you

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Speaker 12: We gonna sing form you know what I mean, but

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Speaker 12: I think you know, speaking of what like he was saying,

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Speaker 12: just you know, I just want to make sure that

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Speaker 12: we communicate to you today. You know, you were just

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Speaker 12: a staple in our households, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 12: Like your music was like always there, and it was

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Speaker 12: and it was oftentimes too. It wasn't just your music

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Speaker 12: of the best times of our lives. Like you always

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Speaker 12: associated I always associated Frankie, Beverly and Mads with good times,

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Speaker 12: you know what I'm saying. And like what you were

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Speaker 12: saying about him singing with love we need love to

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Speaker 12: live that was like one of my favorite songs.

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Speaker 2: Like I would always play that.

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Speaker 13: I even a.

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Speaker 2: Very long time ago.

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Speaker 12: I said it was like wow, I sampled it and

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Speaker 2: I was sixteen. Yeah, shine, golden time of the day.

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Speaker 1: The shining part was the original music that clones Oh.

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Speaker 3: My god, if you can ever mass but we couldn't

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Speaker 12: But no, no, you It was just always a spirit

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Speaker 12: that came through in your music and just really spoke

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Speaker 12: just to all of us and just made us all

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Speaker 12: feel really good. And you know, I've seen it, just

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Speaker 12: the magic of you performing and people.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's like your family member.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's so beautiful.

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Speaker 11: You guys gonna make me start crying, all right.

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Speaker 3: So that excerpt into what Franklin Beverly saying he was

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Speaker 3: gonna start crying, which wow, it's just something. A year

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Speaker 3: after we take this interview that mister Beverley passed, so

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Speaker 3: we're the ones who are crying. But that interview means

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Speaker 3: in the video of this episode. Twenty nineteen, Coustlef Supreme

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Speaker 3: got a visit from Anita Pointer, Bonnie Pointer and their brother,

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Speaker 3: But this was a great career conversation with three as

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Speaker 3: the pointed sisters are mentioned.

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Speaker 2: A lot on Quest Lef Supreme.

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Speaker 3: One of the things we often did as co hosts

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Speaker 3: is leave time at the end for random or personal questions.

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Speaker 3: Is to really give the affirmation that happens here and

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Speaker 3: if you get a taste of the random and then

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Speaker 3: some heartfelt flowers from QLs, especially from Boss Bill. In

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Speaker 3: this conversation, we spoke about trying to get the Pointed

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Speaker 3: Sisters into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, something

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Speaker 3: that has not happened yet, but I personally, I would

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Speaker 3: like very much well to see.

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Speaker 2: What was it like being a part of USA for Africa.

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Speaker 2: We are the world night, Oh.

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Speaker 14: God, what tonight.

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Speaker 10: We had just come from the I think the am

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Speaker 10: A Awards and went to the studio and I was

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Speaker 1: Everybody top secret like all these famous people.

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Speaker 3: I wound out about it and was the top secret

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Speaker 3: like we.

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Speaker 10: Found out like the day before, because they sent us

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Speaker 10: sheet music and a cassette and.

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Speaker 1: Have in the frame.

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Speaker 2: Quincy's house and he has the lead sheet framed on it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I got a.

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Speaker 2: Lead with everybody.

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Speaker 10: I went around that night and made everybody designed my

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Speaker 10: music and I got home my frame and they're.

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Speaker 2: Kind of intimidated by anybody that was in the room

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Speaker 2: or you guys, like.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, everybody everybody was like you, oh.

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Speaker 2: My god, oh my god, to be cool.

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Speaker 10: Michael Jackson, you want to, Lionel Richie, yes, wonderful, Yeah,

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Speaker 10: Bette Midler else was there, uh No, But chi LEI

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Speaker 2: I think that's Oakland.

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Speaker 10: Too, n So that's Oakland, and LaToya Jackson was like

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Speaker 10: right beside me, Turner, turn that was a wonderful, wonderful night.

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Speaker 10: I mean we got out of there, the sun was

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Speaker 2: Were there all night? Did you have any experiences with

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Speaker 2: In fact, in fact her daughters.

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Speaker 15: Wow, the one who's singing with her, her daughter who

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Speaker 15: singing with her is product of Ruth and Dennis.

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Speaker 10: Edwards, and she and Maria were dating Dennis like, oh

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Speaker 10: yeah the same time.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, it's a frozen I don't even myself.

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Speaker 2: I'll do myself right now.

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Speaker 10: Too much information, baby.

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Speaker 3: Well you know I have to say that enough, can I?

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Speaker 3: This is a pleasant, pleasant surprise. Again, Finnie, such a

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Speaker 2: So I'm glad to finally ad met you.

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Speaker 3: I never thought I would thank you that same for you.

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Speaker 2: Your whole family. And again, yes, rock and Roll Hall

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Speaker 10: We've got a star on the Hollywood Walk and welcome

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Speaker 10: fan Arkansas, Black Hall of Fame, everything.

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Speaker 7: Don't matter.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it doesn't matter. I just want to say that

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Speaker 2: something I said earlier today. You guys were in my childhood,

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Speaker 2: and every time I listen to your music, I'm just

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Speaker 2: taking back to such a wonderful place in time.

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Speaker 6: In my life.

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Speaker 2: Wonderful just to be sitting across from you guys, like

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Speaker 10: We see we taught you well, well, I see that

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Speaker 10: T shirt you have on.

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Speaker 2: You got a lot of good information from the morning.

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Speaker 2: More questions before we before we break. May Staples was

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Speaker 2: she an influence?

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Speaker 10: Oh lord, Yeah, we were listening to a song we

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Speaker 10: were We did Respect Yourself, Yes, in Vegas, and Fritz

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Speaker 10: brought up a c D and played it. We played

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Speaker 10: it last night with us singing in Vegas at Caesar's

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Speaker 10: Palace singing respect Yourself, Mays.

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Speaker 14: We were on the road.

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Speaker 10: But yeah, and Frince was very good friends with Mayvis

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Speaker 10: Staples and we had some fun, fun times together. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: and I was also the friends with with purpose.

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Speaker 2: He was a differend than mine.

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Speaker 1: Well, go to those night clubs and you go in there.

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Speaker 10: Oh my god, this is a gun sitting right there

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Speaker 10: on the desk.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for coming on the show today.

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Speaker 10: I love it, y'all.

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Speaker 3: That was Anita, Bonnie and Fritz Pointer on QLs from

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Speaker 3: This whole conversation had flowers from Corner Gang's excellent transition

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Speaker 4: Here's the tail end of that comment, which I loved.

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Speaker 3: What are your three personal favorite songs that you've done

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Speaker 2: That's some of the manas is definitely one.

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Speaker 16: Hollywood swinging, okay okay, and of course celebration now Hollywood Swinging.

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Speaker 16: It's all about when he's first, what's going about to Hollywood?

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Speaker 16: And again Frankie k Frankie Hollywood Crops.

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Speaker 6: He broke that record in New York A.

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Speaker 9: Ladies, can I ask you a capitalistic question before we go.

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Speaker 14: If you were to stop.

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Speaker 9: Yes, Like, if you just stop doing music and didn't

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Speaker 16: Oh well, that's that's celebration, celebration.

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Speaker 17: I wasn't sure.

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Speaker 14: It's so many.

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Speaker 16: Hey cool, it's even they're going to do a whole

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Speaker 18: Get it?

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Speaker 6: Something mad?

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Speaker 17: I mean you got?

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Speaker 17: I mean the movie.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, even though what's my man? Lebron James did the

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Speaker 9: Something mad is just it might be someone mad and

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Speaker 2: It's definitely celebration. Kah, celebration ain't never going to die ever?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, hey cool, the DJ played celebration at my mitch

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Speaker 2: You ever get paid for that, dude? And the nineteen

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's wait, a minute, I will ask, have you

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Speaker 9: And what is that rate? I'm still in my capital

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Speaker 9: is bad?

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Speaker 2: How do I get that out of my next heavy price?

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Speaker 6: I want to leave on this though. Oh when.

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Speaker 17: Super Bowl?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the Stealers.

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Speaker 6: And who was it that Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty Were they playing the Cowboys? I'm not certain?

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Speaker 16: Bill and the Stealers one that was that one? And

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Speaker 2: Okay, the last few minutes of the game.

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Speaker 6: So we were scared. Need to play.

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Speaker 16: For whatever that team was anyway, And I only came

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Speaker 16: to us, I said, will you guys please don't play celebration?

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Speaker 2: You serious? Two thousand and nine against the Cardinals, but

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Speaker 2: we didn't play celebrations. You did not play celebration because.

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Speaker 6: They lost that game.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well then ladies night it is.

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Speaker 16: I want to thank you guys. Was the support of men. Man,

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Speaker 16: you're just your whiz man. You know he asked me

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Speaker 7: I have to remember again.

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Speaker 2: Man, you know, I'm just your legacy. Wait, did you

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Speaker 2: have one last question? Oh I was, Yeah, I had

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Speaker 2: a question about fruit man. Was that song? Is that

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Speaker 2: a reference to the fruit of Islam? About that song? Okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: got you it was.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, we just came up with different ideas than concept

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Speaker 16: you back in the day the fruit man come by

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Speaker 14: Some wa.

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Speaker 2: Yes, wow, okay, but good try No, I thought I

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Speaker 17: As something like a belt.

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Speaker 3: We had this conversation before, and y'all was laughing at

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Speaker 3: to y'all between at least the fruit, the fruit and

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Speaker 3: the fish man were the same. Dude on my Grandma's

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Speaker 2: The fish man. We didn't have a fruit man. We

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Speaker 17: I don't believe you.

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Speaker 9: I think you're talking about your auntie down south, not

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Speaker 9: in Philly.

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Speaker 2: Fish in Philly.

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Speaker 3: Yes, like just like, just like mister Softie comes by

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Speaker 9: However, I will say the watermelon man is still a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but for Southwest Philly.

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Speaker 3: Like the fishman would just you know, the back of

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Speaker 3: I missed. We want to have the fruit man deliver.

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Speaker 2: You know. Now we gotta go to the suburbs. You

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Speaker 20: Bill San your life?

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Speaker 2: What'd you say?

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Speaker 18: Bill?

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Speaker 21: Long Island didn't have any man in a car. We

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Speaker 2: See, we're getting to know each other America. Brother Cool.

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Speaker 3: I want to thank you personally for you know, your

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Speaker 2: Don't forget support Cool. You know the new album tell

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Speaker 2: me about them. After Jenna said that her she was like,

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Speaker 12: So I was like, I gotta get something okay, cool, Yeah,

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Speaker 16: So we got the rose for the late days.

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Speaker 9: Oh but that's all you had to say, Lady Stereo

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Speaker 6: Wow?

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Speaker 1: Wait, are you one of those? They are all my

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Speaker 6: No, no, no, I'm not one of those guys. I

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Speaker 6: waldon Peace from the World and Peaceful Album. Okay, that's

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Speaker 2: Big us those other hits. You know me Little Children

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Speaker 2: And the third would be fruit Man.

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Speaker 6: No, it's We've got some rhythm songs in the Caribbean Festival. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I'll take that. It had all that listeners in it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So making making those three like your your your

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Speaker 22: Brother, Yeah, yeah, he plays he plays with them now

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Speaker 22: yeah yeah, man, But we just thank you for coming

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Speaker 2: We love that. We love it to death.

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Speaker 6: Thank you. You know. I'm not going to say it's

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Speaker 6: You know, the deal just just had a ball and

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Speaker 6: back in your tweet, what did we do?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 6: What's going on?

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Speaker 8: So?

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Speaker 6: And I appreciate you having me on.

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Speaker 23: As well, thank you, but it makes it, just like

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Speaker 6: Loving fans, but truly truly hard folk. Thank you well,

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Speaker 4: From the same amazing family tree is James JT. Taylor.

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Speaker 4: QLs had him on the show last year.

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Speaker 3: JT was with the group when they got inducted into

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Speaker 2: You did steal my question, Denton.

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Speaker 19: I was honestly wondering about that today about look at

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 19: I used to sort of study the publishing stuff, credits

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Speaker 19: and in like sort of books, and I was always

452
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Speaker 19: wondering if if the publishing ever got crossed between you guys,

453
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 19: you know, and anything.

454
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Speaker 18: Not the money at that time he was making big

455
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 18: money and we weren't. But uh, but I used to

456
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 18: when I first went solo. The publishers got things mixed up.

457
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 18: In fact, at the at the Rock and Roll Hall

458
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Speaker 18: of Fame, he came over to my room and I'm

459
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Speaker 18: in the dressing room and he came over to meet me.

460
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Speaker 17: He said, I always wanted to beat you.

461
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Speaker 2: I said, really, and no, that was the first time

462
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: y'all met.

463
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Speaker 18: That's the first time we met, right.

464
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Speaker 2: I wish I could have been there for that.

465
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Speaker 18: Yeah, man, And he came over and we hugged each

466
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Speaker 18: other and we share share some you know, conversation, and

467
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 18: I told him that story. I said, I was getting

468
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Speaker 18: these like kind of country songs, man, and you know,

469
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 18: my my manager said, wait a minute, I think this

470
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 18: supposed to me for the other James Taylor. So we

471
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 18: had a laugh and I said, I want to do

472
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 18: something with you, and he said, let's do that. You know,

473
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Speaker 18: so that might happen in the near few my voices.

474
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Speaker 2: I approve of that.

475
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 3: Do you know Marvin ever heard You're not to him

476
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 3: on take my heart if you want it?

477
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Speaker 18: I don't know, man, but I'll bell tell you because

478
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 18: you know I'm a big Marvin fan as well. But

479
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 18: we were doing the that's when I was still with Cool.

480
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 18: We did the rain I think the Rainbow Room or

481
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 18: the Rainbow Theater in London.

482
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 24: And we're on stage because I don't know what song

483
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 24: we were singing, and I looked to my left over

484
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 24: in the corner and Marvin is standing in the way, man,

485
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 24: almost like.

486
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Speaker 2: There at the time.

487
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was living there, right, so of course I

488
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 8: had to bring him on and just walking on stage

489
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 8: place with berserk and you know, he walked off and

490
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 8: we were taking a picture to the other look, he's

491
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 8: looking over at me like.

492
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 2: This, you know, looking down on me. He said, j T.

493
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 17: You know I can slam dunk you.

494
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 2: You know that, right, I.

495
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 17: Said, bro, I can play ball too, but let's do this.

496
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 17: We never got to play.

497
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Speaker 6: But he was.

498
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Speaker 2: He was amazing.

499
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Speaker 16: Man.

500
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Speaker 18: I would have loved to just tick the ball to

501
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 18: him a little bit because he was a tall He

502
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 18: was kind of a tall guy.

503
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Speaker 6: Would have been tough.

504
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 18: But yeah, but uh no, I don't know if he

505
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 18: ever did.

506
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Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite Ada libes of viewers.

507
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 18: I was actually talking to George because George wrote the song,

508
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 18: and he was like, I said, like.

509
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Speaker 3: Marvin, Marvin, huh right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly exactly.

510
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: You know, there was a time period in which videos

511
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 3: were not necessary but could be an option to help

512
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: you sell a little more if you were trying to

513
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 3: get your stuff played on like Top of the Pops

514
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 3: or you know, if you couldn't get to Europe in time.

515
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: What was the video process like?

516
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 3: Because even that video for Misled, which I'll never understand,

517
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 3: like are you just showing up? And like okay, it's

518
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 3: a chase scene with in Indiana Jones and a bunch

519
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: of white dancing around me, Like yeah.

520
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 25: Right, well, you know, you know, of course I've always

521
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 25: been into film, you know, and like even right now,

522
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 25: you know.

523
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Speaker 17: My future project that I'm working on now I'll tell

524
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 17: you about that in a minute.

525
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 25: But because I was in the film earlier in my life,

526
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 25: I was able to when videos came along, I could

527
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 25: process everything that's happened.

528
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 17: Because most of our songs was like a storyboard. And

529
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 17: you mentioned Misled, it was about you know, it was

530
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Speaker 17: basically Caalice's.

531
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Speaker 25: Life story, part of his life story, and my my input,

532
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 25: and it was the metaphor of the white dancer was

533
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 25: like she was like the cocaine that people were taking,

534
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 25: you know, misleading, looking beautiful and everything and taking you

535
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 25: down that rabbit hole, you know, and my nephew who

536
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 25: played me as a young kid, Yeah, that was my nephew, yeah,

537
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 25: you know. And so to bring that part, and that

538
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 25: was the the book and the special effects. So and

539
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 25: then the one thing that happened on that video is

540
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 25: that we said, how are we going to get the

541
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 25: band in? And I wrote most of that concept and

542
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 25: I said, well, you guys are going to be you know,

543
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 25: incognito as well. And it's a dream state. So that's

544
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,959
Speaker 25: why you know, that happened. And when we came at

545
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 25: the end and they were like j T, we got

546
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 25: to go, man, we got a gig to do.

547
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 17: They were in the dream and that's when they turned around.

548
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 25: So Michael definitely influenced that as far as the video

549
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 25: because remember MTV.

550
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 17: Wasn't playing us, and Michael turned that around.

551
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 25: So that's when the whole video thing for black artists

552
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 25: started kicking in. And we knew that Michael had raised

553
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,959
Speaker 25: the bar. So we had to raise the bar because

554
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 25: if you remember, on most of the charts, if we

555
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 25: knew Michael was coming, we had to get our position first,

556
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 25: you know, because came you know, we're going to knock

557
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Speaker 25: you out a number one, but being there in the

558
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 25: top five, top ten, that means in the stores your

559
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 25: music was right there along inside his and it would

560
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 25: help your sales. Yeah, all of that the video world

561
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 25: actually helped me with the project I'm doing.

562
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 17: Now and what my future is going to be.

563
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Speaker 3: Got it at the time. Do you guys get invited

564
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Speaker 3: to do band aid? Like, do you have any ankling

565
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 3: of the clue what you guys walked into?

566
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 17: No, because we were on tour again.

567
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: I just had a night off in London.

568
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Speaker 17: We were actually just I don't know if we I

569
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 17: think we did have a night off.

570
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Speaker 25: But the thing that bothered me was that they had mentioned,

571
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Speaker 25: I think on the news of something that you know,

572
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 25: it was all of these big stars there and when

573
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 25: we got there, there was no cameras and I remember

574
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 25: telling DT, I said, you know, with the press, man,

575
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 25: I'll be you all people telling about the press and

576
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 25: we walked in. No one said, you know, okay, JT,

577
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Speaker 25: you're going to be doing this and it's going to

578
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 25: be and that we kind of just walked in the

579
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Speaker 25: studio and there was everybody was just sitting around the

580
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 25: room and and Phil Collins and and Geldolph and they

581
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 25: were behind the board and they just kind of waved

582
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 25: and you know, and later on I thought somebody mentioned

583
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Speaker 25: that they wanted me to do the part that what

584
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Speaker 25: to Night thank God, and I didn't. And I'm glad

585
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 25: they didn't ask me because I would have never done that.

586
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 25: Bear Bono's line, thank God it's you, it's them instead

587
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Speaker 25: of you. I said, well, no, I would have never

588
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 25: sang that anyway, because that's just a little too much

589
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 25: for me. You know, I wouldn't thank God it's you.

590
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 25: You know that, that's not my vibe, you know what

591
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 25: I mean. But yeah, it was. It was awesome, man,

592
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 25: but we still didn't know how it was going to

593
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 25: come out. I just enjoyed, you know, meet and you know,

594
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 25: Sting and Phil, but it was it was intense.

595
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Speaker 17: It was like no.

596
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Speaker 25: Time to really hang out and talk about it. And

597
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 25: when they put us all on stands together, it was

598
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Speaker 25: just like, Okay, this is what we're.

599
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Speaker 6: Going to sing.

600
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Speaker 17: We learned the song and we went through the process.

601
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Speaker 3: For you, what was the best Like when you think

602
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 3: of like the good times or whatever, like places you played,

603
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: or even people you met or people that you never

604
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Speaker 3: thought you meet, what's a career highlight for you of

605
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 3: something like like, wow, I can't believe this happened.

606
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 17: There's many, okay, But.

607
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Speaker 25: I think going to Africa for the first time was

608
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Speaker 25: monumental because I remember when we were at House of

609
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 25: Music once and this was doing a part type and

610
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 25: this agent came to the studio and asked us to play.

611
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 25: And that's when everybody was refusing to play some city.

612
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Speaker 17: It was part of.

613
00:33:54,520 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 25: Our protests, and I remember looking at this guy almost

614
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 25: tearing up that how could he have the nerve to

615
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 25: come here and ask us to perform there, knowing the

616
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 25: atrocities that were going on, right And I remember we

617
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 25: got a silver record I think from South Africa, and

618
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,959
Speaker 25: when we got it, I said, I refuse to hang

619
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 25: this up in my house until Mandela is freed, and

620
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 25: I put it in the closet, and when he was freed,

621
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 25: I took it out and celebrated that. But I think

622
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 25: going to Liberia and then learning about.

623
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 17: The slave quarters and where our people.

624
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 25: Were brought from the shores and things like that, the

625
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 25: Ivory Coast up and down, you know, And I'd always

626
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 25: felt like I didn't want to take money out of there,

627
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 25: like like I because it wasn't really built up as

628
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 25: much like Ghana right like it is now, you know,

629
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Speaker 25: And I just didn't understand what I understood. But I

630
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 25: didn't feel good about doing a concert and taking money

631
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 25: from a place that we should have just left it there,

632
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 25: you know.

633
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Speaker 17: But I think Africa was. It's still to this day,

634
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 17: the feeling I get that touches my heart most.

635
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Speaker 2: One. Congratulations on getting in the Rock and Roll Hall

636
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: of Fame.

637
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Speaker 17: Yes, thank you.

638
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Speaker 1: Were you surprised or were you actively hoping for this?

639
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 6: Well?

640
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Speaker 17: You know, I tell the story.

641
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 25: I said, it's when I think back to being at thirteen,

642
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 25: you never think about it. You never think about any accolades,

643
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 25: at least I did.

644
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 17: My whole thing was just a love for music, man.

645
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 25: And you know, when they told us about the rock

646
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 25: of course, I called all my family and I think

647
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 25: they announced it on the American Idol or something like that,

648
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 25: and we were all sitting around watching waiting for it

649
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 25: to come on. When they said bam, cool in the gang,

650
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 25: my phone jumping off the hook, people talking about how

651
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 25: can I get there?

652
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Speaker 17: I want to come.

653
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 25: We had a lot of family there, but it was

654
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 25: just a culmination of all of the years of the sweat,

655
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 25: being away from my family, having my family there and

656
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 25: enjoying some of it, coming into cooling the gang and

657
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 25: then leaving the group. And also, you know, I brought

658
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 25: everything from Hackensack High School to you know, the bands

659
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 25: I was in to you know, Jersey City.

660
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Speaker 17: Anybody that I met along the way were a part

661
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Speaker 17: of it.

662
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Speaker 25: And that's including you, your group, the Philly Sound, motown Son,

663
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Speaker 25: you know anything.

664
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Speaker 2: It was like I was.

665
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Speaker 17: It was like I was bringing all.

666
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Speaker 25: Of you with me, you know, and then of course,

667
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 25: you know, to find out that you were going to

668
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 25: be with me, I'm.

669
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Speaker 17: Like, oh man, this is too good to be true,

670
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Speaker 17: you know.

671
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Speaker 25: So you know when I walked up and met you,

672
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Speaker 25: you know, like yo, right in the middle of playing Yo, man,

673
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 25: what's up?

674
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Speaker 17: And I got a good picture. I want to say

675
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 17: to you about that too.

676
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: But I was nervous, man, and like, you know, well

677
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 2: you were nervous.

678
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 17: Come on, man, you were smacking.

679
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: Na I mean, but just you the only legendary illuminaria like.

680
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 3: My life soundcheck track that I haven't met yet, you

681
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

682
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 17: So, yeah, it was awesome.

683
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: In the cool and.

684
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: Gang adjacent universe, there's Leeroy Burgess. Last month, Fonte cited

685
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: this twenty twenty three to two part of Conversation that's

686
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 3: one of the most underrated episodes of QLs. We were

687
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: delighted to have Lee Roy with us, and he.

688
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 4: Gave us the kind of history that you can't find.

689
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 3: In a Wikipedia page, while we got the chance to

690
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 3: celebrate his career. Let's listen in as he tells us

691
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 3: about a musical bloodline that is truly mind blowing. You know,

692
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: I told, like some of my friends and luminaries and

693
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 3: music heads that you were coming on the show. I

694
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 3: have to say, you're probably the most connected human being

695
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: I know, because the first response that every music head

696
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 3: tells me when I'm like, yo, we're about to get

697
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: him on the show, they tell me like, Yo, you

698
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: know he's related to Tom Bell, right, Yo?

699
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: You know he's related to Archie Bell, right, Yo? You

700
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: know he's related to how many the bells bells?

701
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: So you're trying to tell me that Tom and Robert

702
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 3: and Ronald of Cool and Gang and Al Bell.

703
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 4: Of Stacks and Archie Bell of that you're all related?

704
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: Yes?

705
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 6: Wow?

706
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,959
Speaker 2: How come no one has? Yeah?

707
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 7: I don't know. Listen, you do well.

708
00:38:50,360 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 13: With that Patty LaBelle No, no, right, I thought Patty

709
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 13: was the strength.

710
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 26: But Ricky Bell Ricky Yes, Okay, we are all the

711
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 26: descendants of an enslaved individual named Prince Bell from the

712
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 26: eighteen twenties and eighteen you know, eighteen sixties, seventies or

713
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 26: something like that.

714
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 7: Prince Belle had a total of three wives. With each

715
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 7: of his wedding unions, he made a bunch of kids, right,

716
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 7: those kids became my grandparents and my mom and my

717
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 7: dad and the same as two full Tom Bell or

718
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 7: the Bell Brothers from Cooon, the Gang, Jerry Bell from

719
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 7: the Dads band Bell Al Bell, Ricky Bell from Bell

720
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Speaker 7: Bidevaux Tom.

721
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 2: I was only playing that's real, goddamn.

722
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 7: Outside of the Bell family or Judge Mathis, Greg Mathis

723
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 7: is a cousin, and the actor Richard browntree Is, all

724
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 7: of us are descendants of Prince Bell.

725
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: I also heard Betty Right as well.

726
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 6: Betty Right.

727
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: I met Betty Right and.

728
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: Are we relatedly working?

729
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 9: Right?

730
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 6: We all?

731
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: Well?

732
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 7: I believe that I believe that I'm related to everybody.

733
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: In the world. I mean, well, I see why that's crazy.

734
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, So shout out to our fire burges who also

735
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 3: I mean you know fire right.

736
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah, player absolutely.

737
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 3: Absolutely fire urges who definitely want this episode to happen

738
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 3: while you are connected to everyone, right.

739
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 7: So when I think about where, you know, was it

740
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 7: I predestined to enter the music industry, I'm kind of

741
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 7: leaning towards feeling like that because there's so many loom

742
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 7: nerves in my family that are not just in entertainment

743
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 7: but in music specifically, who have made a definitive monk

744
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 7: on the industry as a whole. So I'm just bringing

745
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 7: up the.

746
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 9: Rear Common's Bell thing might be real too.

747
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it was predetermined, like your your future

748
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 3: was everyone in your family has singing talent, and it's

749
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 3: push the envelope.

750
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

751
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 9: Can I just ask who found who first? Like when

752
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 9: did y'all know that this was the story behind your family?

753
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 7: Yeah?

754
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: Tom Bell.

755
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 7: Back in my when.

756
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 9: I was very very Alexander.

757
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 7: Four, five and six and stuff like that, he used

758
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 7: to come to the family picnics down that we used

759
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 7: to have down in Jamesburg, New Judge. We still have

760
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 7: him in the same place every year. He used to

761
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 7: come and I used to follow him around like a

762
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 7: little pubblic dog. Right, because he was always talking music.

763
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 7: That's that was then he stopped coming right fairt forward

764
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 7: to about nineteen somewhere in the nineteen nineties, the Bell

765
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 7: the South Jersey Bell Picnic couldn't happen, So the North

766
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 7: Jersey Bell the Bell Aiken's Picnic happened, and my mother

767
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 7: traveled to that because I was on the road. Right,

768
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 7: That's where my mother met Cool's Cool and Robert and

769
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 7: Ronald and Ali and Kevin's mother and she was son

770
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 7: sings my son's things in the music. Also my son Hell,

771
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 7: who's your son Black Habby? Who's jo son Coonigan?

772
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 27: Oh?

773
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 6: We need to do right?

774
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 2: So wow.

775
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 7: So that's how they And then a wonderful cousin of

776
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 7: mine that I didn't know, I met her on Facebook.

777
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 7: Her name is Geneva Norman Right, and she asked she

778
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 7: was a cousin and she relaid, and then she presented

779
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 7: me with a document, the Bell family history, going all

780
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 7: the way back to Prince Belle right, and it contained

781
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 7: every single everybody in the whole family, including all my brothers,

782
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 7: all my siblings, all my cousins, all you know. It

783
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 7: was just really a definitive document, sixteen page document that

784
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 7: told me who everybody was and where everybody was, and

785
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 7: so forth and so on. So as I proceeded through

786
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 7: life after finding that out. The last one that I

787
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 7: met officially was Betty She was called to the look.

788
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 7: When she was called to her ascension, I met on

789
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 7: the National R and B Music Society was giving her

790
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 7: a Lifetime Achievement award, and I was, you know, I

791
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 7: was at president at that awards presentation, and I walked

792
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 7: over to her after she got the award and I said, congratulations.

793
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 7: Was right by the way, I'm a descendant of Prince Bell.

794
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 7: And she jumped up and said cousin and and and

795
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 7: and so you know, things like that. That's been my

796
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 7: life to to uh with Jerry Bell from dazz Man

797
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 7: and formerly of new Birth. He was the lead thing

798
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 7: of new Birth.

799
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 16: Uh.

800
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 28: Yes, I performed with new Birth, and I believe didn't

801
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 28: didn't He eventually join Cool in the Gang in eighty

802
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 28: seven when JT left.

803
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 2: Jerry Bell was the one that sing led her web.

804
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 11: Yes, yes, yes.

805
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 2: He Oh. That explains it. That explains it.

806
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 3: That is what yo, Because you don't understand when they

807
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 3: made an album nineteen eighty seven or eighty eight, and

808
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 3: you know Jat had left the group and they did

809
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 3: an appearance on Soul Train and Don was trying to

810
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: put two and two together, like, wait, where I know

811
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 3: you from?

812
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: Where I know you from? He said, Oh, man, Dad's

813
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: been and that is wow. Okay they're cousins.

814
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 28: Yeah, that is crazy all right.

815
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: So in twenty twenty one, we also had Stephanie Mills

816
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 3: on the show. Stephanie Dinomant's words when it came to

817
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 3: her opinions on things, but she did with a love

818
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 3: and care for the music, especially her peers. And you know,

819
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 3: Team Supreme showered Stephanie love and she gave it right back,

820
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 3: and there's a clip reflective of that energy.

821
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: Makes sense of what's happening today at all?

822
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: Or is it just like R and B.

823
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 20: Well, I think that they've just kind of like killed

824
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 20: dur and B. They're trying to but we're trying to

825
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 20: hold on to it as you know. No, I think

826
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 20: it's very easy for people today to become pop stars

827
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 20: and they use the word legends and icons and things

828
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 20: very loosely, and I think that's why a lot of

829
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 20: people can't sing live. I mean a lot of shows

830
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 20: are taped a lot of shows you'd be surprised. I've

831
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 20: been on the road with quite a few artists, and

832
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 20: mostly predominantly all their whole show is taped. Yeah so,

833
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 20: but I come from theater, you know, And I'm so glad.

834
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 20: I'm so thankful every day that, you know, I've learned

835
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 20: how to sing, whether I can hit that note that night,

836
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 20: or point to my background singer and hit it. But

837
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 20: what I do before I go on the road. Does

838
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 20: I sing all my songs every day so that I

839
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 20: can sound somewhat like I sounded, you know, and and

840
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 20: and people won't be scared to hear me. I do

841
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 20: sing every day because I just love to sing. But

842
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 20: today's music, I don't think any of today's music you'll

843
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 20: hear five and ten, fifteen years from now, like you

844
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 20: do Stevie and Aretha and and and the people from

845
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 20: the seventies and eighties. I don't think that you'll hear

846
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 20: this music today.

847
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 7: Not one y'all don't.

848
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 9: I'm trying to think in my head like you. I'm sorry,

849
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 9: I was trying to argue that fact, but okay.

850
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 14: I don't do.

851
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 9: I don't know.

852
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 20: I mean, I love Jasmine Sullivan, but I feel I

853
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 20: love her as a vocalist, Deborah Cox. I think it's

854
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 20: a brilliant vocalists.

855
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 6: And.

856
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 9: But that's still not in this in the next to

857
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 9: ten years, in this last years.

858
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 14: That's not that's not like immediate.

859
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 20: Like do you think that we'll hear Cardi b stuffed ten.

860
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 14: To fifteen years from them?

861
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 18: No?

862
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 14: Man, So you know that. And that's not to take

863
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 14: away from anybody.

864
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 20: I'm not because I don't knock anybody's hustling, But I

865
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 20: just don't think that you know, their music is gonna

866
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 20: last ten to fifteen years.

867
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 12: For me, Miss Stephan, I was gonna ask, so with

868
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 12: your jam with hip hop? When hip hop, you know,

869
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 12: kind of came into the just into the industry. You know,

870
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 12: every episode of Unsung they all have the same story.

871
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 12: It's like they they were doing great and then rap

872
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 12: it was over.

873
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. How what was it like

874
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: for you?

875
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 12: You know what I'm saying when you saw the industry

876
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 12: kind of starting to shift and you saw what hip

877
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 12: hop was becoming.

878
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: What was that like for you? And what was your

879
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 2: relationship to hip hop? If any I didn't have.

880
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 14: A relationship with hip hop, but I enjoyed it.

881
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 10: I mean I I don't know.

882
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 20: I guess some different because I just I just keep

883
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 20: doing me. I just kept doing what I did. I

884
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 20: didn't try to change and try to adapt, you know,

885
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 20: I just I just kept doing another version of me

886
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 20: whatever that. You know, just keep doing another version of me.

887
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 20: I love hip hop, you know I I would. I

888
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 20: Oh my Christmas album I rapped, I wrapped the Red.

889
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: Bars, you know, Yes, I don't know.

890
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 20: I just I you know, everybody has their thing to do,

891
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 20: and I think, you know, hey, you just keep on

892
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 20: going and to come back around.

893
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 9: I've seen it, but it didn't bother you like the

894
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 9: Unsung bother me.

895
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Speaker 20: No, I didn't freak out about it now because I could.

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Speaker 14: Always go and do theater. I can do other things.

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Speaker 20: So I didn't.

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Speaker 7: I didn't like.

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Speaker 20: Oh god, no, I didn't want anymore anyway.

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Speaker 9: If there was a show, what would the show? Is

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Speaker 9: there a show you have in mind that you would

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Speaker 9: love to do as far as the theater, Yes.

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Speaker 20: Melbourne and I are going to do Run.

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Speaker 14: It's a woman show.

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Speaker 2: Make it happen.

906
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Speaker 14: We're writing it now.

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Speaker 9: Oh yes, I'm here.

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Speaker 14: We're here for that.

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Speaker 2: We're writing.

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Speaker 20: Melbourne is just wonderful on stage. We did a We

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Speaker 20: did a show called up If Your Hat to Talk,

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Speaker 20: and it was just wonderful being on stage with her.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait.

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Speaker 20: Talk recently and that she was like, let's work together.

915
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Speaker 2: I said, let's do it.

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Speaker 14: We found a writer.

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Speaker 20: So they're writing it now.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's good.

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Speaker 17: Get my ears ready?

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Speaker 3: Okay, since I wasn't going to ask the question, but

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Speaker 3: I mine as well. Have you heard back from Sam

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Speaker 3: Smith back at him?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Holy forgot about that. She's the she brought smoke.

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Speaker 10: I love.

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Speaker 20: You know what it is? This is really what it is.

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Speaker 6: Talk about it.

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Speaker 20: People don't really know my personality because I've always just

928
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Speaker 20: been a singer and on Broadway. But I'm really just

929
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Speaker 20: a hood girl from Brooklyn, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 20: I'm really just that that girl. And I love Michael.

931
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Speaker 20: He's not here to take care of herself and I

932
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Speaker 20: to speak up for herself. And I get tired of

933
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Speaker 20: people who I know have copied sounds. I mean, Sam

934
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Speaker 20: Smith is nothing but Sylvester all over. So you know,

935
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Speaker 20: when you say you don't like our music, how can

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Speaker 20: you say that? So I really had to. I felt

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Speaker 20: like I have to say something. And my manager's always

938
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Speaker 20: like Okay, I'm gonna let you say this, but you

939
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 20: gotta say it like this, because sometimes I just think

940
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Speaker 20: people need to back off.

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Speaker 9: I don't like when they're they need an education.

942
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Speaker 20: And they need an education, they need it. And I

943
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,959
Speaker 20: don't think people should say things about people and they're

944
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Speaker 20: not here to defend themselves. I mean, if you wanted to.

945
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Speaker 20: It's just like when fifty he was talking about Michael

946
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Speaker 20: and you know, and then his daughter said, please don't

947
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Speaker 20: talk about my father, and then fifty wanted to, you know, go,

948
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Speaker 20: she's a child, you know so I kind of I said,

949
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Speaker 20: why don't you talk to me? I'm more your speed,

950
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Speaker 20: I'm older, you know. So I just I just don't

951
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Speaker 20: like when people are bullies.

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Speaker 14: I don't like bullies.

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Speaker 18: I don't.

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Speaker 9: There you go, Stephanie Miles. I'm telling you, Stephie Mills

955
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Speaker 9: deon word they said in Twitter on fire.

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Speaker 20: Okay, he doesn't play, Leon does not play.

957
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Speaker 2: And you know who didn't.

958
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Speaker 14: Play, Aretha?

959
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Speaker 20: Aretha didn't play.

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Speaker 17: She didn't really.

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Speaker 2: Oh now what was she like? Did you y'all have

962
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: worked together and anything or were y'all just colleagues.

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Speaker 20: I lived in Detroit for a couple of years. And

964
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 20: she used to come. I did a play there and

965
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 20: she used to come and see me, and towards the

966
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 20: end of her life we would talk. I talked to

967
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Speaker 20: her about two months before she passed away, and she

968
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Speaker 20: told me a lot of things about Motown and how

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Speaker 20: Barry started it and how his sister was involved and

970
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Speaker 20: a father, and it's a conversation I could never talk about.

971
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Speaker 20: But I Lovedaretha. But Aretha took no prisoners.

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Speaker 2: When I tell you, she didn't, she didn't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I you know, I guess in closing, I

974
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Speaker 3: would just like to know from this journey you had, like,

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Speaker 3: what is your in her career with so many highlights

976
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Speaker 3: in it, what is your like, your your favorite what

977
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 3: means the most to you of your entire journey, your

978
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 3: creative journey.

979
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Speaker 20: That I'm still here, That I didn't get on drugs.

980
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 20: I didn't, you know, because I think about Whitney, and

981
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 20: I think about Michael, and I think about Prince, I

982
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 20: think about Gerald and so many times as artists, we

983
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 20: have so much pressure and wait on us that just

984
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 20: destroys us. And people don't really understand sometimes what an

985
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 20: artist is going through. So I think that I'm still here,

986
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Speaker 20: and somewhat my right mind, and that I enjoyed it.

987
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Speaker 20: I'm able to enjoy it and sit back and relax

988
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Speaker 20: and just enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, compliments are important, I know, learning how to take it.

991
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Speaker 2: When we have Bernardette Cooper or on QLs.

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Speaker 4: The singer from Climax, and that conversation seems supreme.

993
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Speaker 3: And I pointed out how Bernadette's style and persona or

994
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Speaker 3: it was kind of a precursor to hip hop, name dropping,

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Speaker 3: design of.

996
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Speaker 4: Brands, confidence, etc.

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Speaker 6: Etc.

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Speaker 3: It was great to share with them. This was a

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Speaker 3: different way of giving flowers.

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Speaker 29: I felt, right, if you really look at the character

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Speaker 29: that you built, I mean, it's so it's such a

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Speaker 29: precursor to what hip hop became ten years later. You

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Speaker 29: are probably the first person I ever heard name drop

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Speaker 29: like Versace. Yeah, names I never heard of before that

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Speaker 29: rappers would start just I became their birthright ten years later.

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Speaker 27: And in Tiva, In Tiva, I was fearless. You have

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Speaker 27: to understand she and I was and I was in

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Speaker 27: and I was in too close and they started sending

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Speaker 27: me close and I just kind of like, I just

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Speaker 27: kind of spoke my mind.

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Speaker 14: I wish I really allowed myself to have, you.

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Speaker 27: Know, now you have to be a little bit more

1013
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Speaker 27: resolved because everybody is so sensitive and the things that

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Speaker 27: you say.

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Speaker 2: You know, but that's what age was for, so you

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Speaker 2: don't have to do you know.

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Speaker 27: You know, I even think about it, you know, I

1018
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 27: even think about my demographics, what they want to hear

1019
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Speaker 27: from me, you know, they you know, and I don't

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Speaker 27: want to continue and be a caricature of my old self.

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Speaker 14: You know.

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Speaker 3: I was going to say, do you get tired of

1023
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 3: having to turn it on in a snap like other

1024
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Speaker 3: days where you just wish like you never had to

1025
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Speaker 3: invent that character too?

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Speaker 14: You know, I'm naturally a.

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Speaker 27: Comedian, so I'm always that comes very easy from me.

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Speaker 27: The character is easy. The character is more easier than

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Speaker 27: me being myself.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, I could bring the character, and I'm much more

1032
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Speaker 27: comfortable on stage than I am anywhere, you know, so

1033
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Speaker 27: I don't struggle with it at all.

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Speaker 14: I don't struggle with it.

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Speaker 27: I'm working on now in the product that you hear

1036
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Speaker 27: me putting out is kind of the evolution of Bernadette

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Speaker 27: Cooper and me who has evolved into the woman and

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Speaker 27: kind of like slowing down a little bit so that

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Speaker 27: I can perform my songs way until you know, I

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Speaker 27: get older and older, my songs will be able to

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Speaker 27: And I wish I could do a song on an

1042
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Speaker 27: album on Janet Jackson because I think she would be

1043
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Speaker 27: good at doing that so she doesn't have to get

1044
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Speaker 27: up and do realthm nation and then all of those things.

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Speaker 14: That's a lot to be dancing and all that.

1046
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 27: You know, now's the time to kind of slow it

1047
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 27: down and go into the new you and your and

1048
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 27: your demographics will follow because they they're there too.

1049
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Speaker 14: They're there too. There's a tram age, you know.

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Speaker 27: So that's what I'm doing right now with the projects

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Speaker 27: that I'm that I'm working on.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening in good people, and we have

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Speaker 3: more Maine Flowers on QLs dropping next week.

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned.

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