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Speaker 2: It is the Jesse Kelly Show.

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Speaker 1: Another hour of the Jesse Kelly Show on a Memorial Day.

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Speaker 1: All three hours today are honoring the fallen, reading names,

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Speaker 1: reading stories. I'm gonna get to the Battle of Tsavo Island.

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Speaker 1: It's a naval battle in World War two. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: get to that in just a few I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: through some emails, some more names you've sent in to

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Speaker 1: make sure I'm trying to get all this. One gentleman

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Speaker 1: wanted to one of the names read of the thresher,

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Speaker 1: the USS thrasher. I'm not gonna read, he said, in

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Speaker 1: the name of everyone who was on the ship. I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna read the name of everyone who was on

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Speaker 1: the ship. When it comes to these boats that go down,

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Speaker 1: I get it. It's just it would end up being

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Speaker 1: too long. But respect for sure, honor the fall and

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Speaker 1: including the civilian employees who died. It was a training accident,

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Speaker 1: it was depth tests. It was an ugly affair, but

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Speaker 1: respect for those guys. Here's another one, speaking of the

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Speaker 1: Civil War, Jesse, if I recall correctly, on Memorial Day,

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Speaker 1: you feature stories of war heroes other than those awarded

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Speaker 1: the Congressional Medal of Honor. If you do that this

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Speaker 1: Memorial Day, then I request you please feature Nathan Bedford Forrest,

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Speaker 1: the third great grandson of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forest.

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Speaker 1: I think it's especially relevant due to the recent removal

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Speaker 1: of the Reconciliation monument in Arlington National Cemetery, so on.

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Speaker 2: And so forth.

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Speaker 1: For those who don't know Nathan Bedford Forest, he was

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Speaker 1: not only a general for the Confederates, for the South

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Speaker 1: and the Civil War. He was a beast of a general,

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Speaker 1: not a good human being. He pretty much started the KKK.

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Speaker 1: He really really like most of the South, believe it

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Speaker 1: or not. Yeah, they were okay with slavery, but they

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Speaker 1: didn't have any slaves. Ninety nine percent of the South

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Speaker 1: they were okay slaves, don't have slaves. It didn't it

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Speaker 1: wasn't something that occupied their mind. Nathan Bedford for his

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Speaker 1: loved slavery.

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Speaker 2: He he just loved it. He thought it was the best.

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Speaker 1: So probably not a top tier human being, but he

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Speaker 1: was a top tier general. He was a nightmare for

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Speaker 2: Sherman.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can go look up quotes of Sherman.

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Speaker 1: Sherman General Sherman just dog tosted him. Nathan Bedford Forrest

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Speaker 1: was a beast of a general again, and that's all

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Speaker 1: I care about out of my general, right, I don't

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Speaker 1: need him babysitting my kids. Probably not gonna have him

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Speaker 2: That wouldn't go well.

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Speaker 1: But if I needed him leading men in combat, he

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Speaker 1: was awesome anyway. So it's funny how close these threads are,

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Speaker 1: these these families who serve. And We've talked about this

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Speaker 1: so much. I'm not gonna do any politics, so don't worry.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going into any of today about these traditional

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Speaker 1: military families. They really are the backbone that has gone

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Speaker 1: through the American military throughout our history. I just told

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Speaker 1: you about Nathan Bedford Forest from the Civil War. Well,

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Speaker 1: this is the Air Force Cross earned by Nathan Bedford Forest,

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Speaker 1: the third flying in Europe in World War Two in Europe.

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Speaker 1: Here it is the President of the United States of America,

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Speaker 1: authorized by Act of Congress July ninth, nineteen eighteen. Aaymen,

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighteen. That's World War One, not World War two

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighteen. Takes pleasure. Oh no, it was World War Two.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: The Act was nineteen eighteen. Anyway, takes pleasure in presenting

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Speaker 1: the Distinguished Service Cross to Brigadier General Nathan Bedford Forest,

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Speaker 1: the third United States Army Air Force. I remember there

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Speaker 1: while participated in a bombing mission. While participating in a

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Speaker 1: bombing mission the thirteenth of June nineteen forty three against

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Speaker 1: This is just various things that you've sent in. Some

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Speaker 1: of these have stories attached, some.

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Speaker 2: Of them don't.

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Speaker 1: Lance Corporal Nicholas Daniels, Afghanistan, two thousand and one lowered

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Speaker 1: our flag this morning with my boys six and four

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Speaker 1: in what this day means? I love that I had

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Speaker 1: the privilege of going through a short portion of the

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Speaker 1: training pipeline with Dylan Elchin. He was killed when an

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. He was quite a man and was supposedly

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Speaker 1: To the untrained diet we look like a tank with tires.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's an m wrap USS Liberty. No one

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, this never mind.

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Speaker 1: This guy just hates Jews, the USS Liberty sailors who

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Speaker 1: were brutalized by Israel. Can you be a man, or

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Speaker 1: about these men? Okay, Chris, what do you do now?

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Speaker 1: I'm kidding. Today is the Sunday before Memorial Day. I

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Speaker 1: seem to recall at some point Jesse was going to

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Speaker 1: mention the names of war heroes on the show. I

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Speaker 1: was researched and put together by a friend who's currently

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Speaker 1: in the Air Force Reserve. I never knew this about

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Speaker 1: my dad. World War Two soldiers didn't talk about the

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Speaker 1: is he was a decorated P forty seven fighter. Oh

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Speaker 1: that's sick P forty seven fighter pilot, and he met

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Speaker 1: Vitali of Dedham, Massachusetts, on the air three hundred and

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Speaker 1: and so forth, multiple sorties over Germany, so on and

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Speaker 2: The third was eighth Air Force.

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Speaker 1: Just understand, whenever you hear eighth Air Force when it

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Speaker 1: The Air Force itself wasn't really a thing. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: in World War Two. They were stationed in Europe. They

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Speaker 1: were the ones doing all those bombing campaigns, all those

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Speaker 1: bombing runs over Germany, so all those B seventeen formations.

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Speaker 1: You ever seen the movie Memphis Bell. Great movie. I

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Speaker 1: a great older World War two movie. But kind of

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Speaker 1: Force died in World War Two than Marines died in

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Speaker 1: the Pacific fighting the Japanese. You simply understood if you

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Speaker 1: The bal turret gunner would be routinely attacked because the

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Speaker 1: So they'd regularly take these guys out. Oh yeah, good point, Chris.

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Speaker 1: of Tsavo, Ireland. All right, Hang on, what truth attitude,

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Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly. It is the Jesse Kelly Show. On a

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Speaker 1: memorial day, a sacred day where we honor the fallen,

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Speaker 1: belongs to those who gave their life for this country

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Speaker 2: There's a couple other things I wanted.

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Speaker 1: To read that just various things people have sent in.

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Speaker 1: And then it's time for us to begin another history story.

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Speaker 1: You're ready for that Battle of Savo Island. Let me

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Speaker 1: do a couple of these. Lieutenant Thomas Conway, Navy Cross.

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Speaker 1: Thomas Conway was a Catholic priest who was assigned to

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Speaker 1: We'll go into that a little bit more as we

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Speaker 1: go along here. They were good. That brings us to

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Speaker 1: how do you fight this war? And this is going

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Speaker 1: to come into play for our battle of Tsavo Island.

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Speaker 1: How do you fight this war? What is important? We

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Speaker 1: quick came to the realization. In fact, most of the

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Speaker 1: modern militaries came to this realization. The Japanese did to

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Speaker 1: the British did to that the aircraft carrier that was

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Speaker 1: your prize, that was your everything. It was everything. If

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Speaker 1: you had them, you were great. If your enemy had them,

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Speaker 1: you better be afraid and you better sink them if

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Speaker 1: you can create a mobile airfield, so we have bombers,

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Speaker 1: fighter planes, reconplaints, a mobile airfield where you can move anywhere.

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Speaker 2: There's an ocean.

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Speaker 1: That is everything, and the value of those aircraft carriers

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Speaker 2: So just keep that in mind and we'll continue in

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Speaker 2: a moment. Hang on.

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Speaker 1: It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Memorial Day,

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Speaker 1: all three hours today, honoring the fallen, telling his history

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Speaker 1: stories war battle. We already told one about the Civil War.

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Speaker 1: the show. Back to what we were talking about, we're

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Speaker 1: now doing the Battle of Tsavo Island. So at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of World War two, nations figured out very quickly

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Speaker 1: that the aircraft carrier was everything. The Japanese obviously, Pearl

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Speaker 1: Harbor for them was a huge success, and we think

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Speaker 1: dismissive of how horrible Pearl Harbor was. But the truth

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Speaker 1: if you're one of the conspiracy theorists, it was done

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Speaker 1: on purpose. But either way, all of our wonderful aircraft

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Speaker 1: carriers happened to be out at sea doing maneuvers when

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Speaker 1: the Japanese attacked Pearl Hart. Yeah, they blew up a

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Speaker 1: Arizona and the Oklahoma and these ships they got attacked,

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Speaker 1: but these were these were not aircraft carriers. World War

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Speaker 1: two was going to be a war that was decided

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Speaker 1: by aircraft carriers. You wanted them, and aircraft carriers were

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Speaker 1: hugely expensive. They took a very very long time to make.

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Speaker 1: They it required an inhuman amount of material to make them.

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Speaker 1: They were everything. And so that brings us to Guadalcanal.

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Speaker 1: So here's the setup. Military historians will argue this point,

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Speaker 1: the turning point in the Pacific War was, because as

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Speaker 1: I said, that Japanese were beating us up really good

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Speaker 1: at the beginning the first six months. Most people will

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Speaker 1: say it was the Battle of Midway. That's you can

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Speaker 1: say that the Battle of Midway is where we finally

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Speaker 1: stopped the Japanese advance. That's true, that's where their advance

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Speaker 1: was stopped. However, other people will say it was actually

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Speaker 1: the Guatdalcanal campaigns that changed the tide of the war

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Speaker 1: because we went from stopping their advance to taking things

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Speaker 1: a real touch and go thing. So let's set this up.

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Speaker 1: Guatdal Canal is there. We want the airfield. Remember it's

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Speaker 1: an airfield war. The war in the Pacific is all

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Speaker 1: about airfields. You want floating ones and you want land

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Speaker 1: based ones. It's all about the planes, baby, the fighters,

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Speaker 1: the bombers. That's what it's all about. So we wanted

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Speaker 1: the airfield on Guadalcanal. It's known as Henderson Field. Doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Now here's the issue again. We look at these things

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Speaker 1: and I have to remind myself when I think of

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Speaker 1: the World War Two, the US Navy, the US military,

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Speaker 1: I just think of this unstoppable juggernaut that was huge

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Speaker 1: and had everything, And that's what it was.

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Speaker 2: At the end.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't that way in the beginning. When we decided

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Speaker 1: to launch this Squaddal Canal campaign, we did so, and

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Speaker 1: we were woefully unprepared, and we knew we were unprepared.

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Speaker 1: We knew we were. The idea was, hey, we're not

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Speaker 1: really ready for this, but they're not gonna be ready

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Speaker 1: for us either.

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Speaker 2: If we attack.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, we're not gonna have all the stuff we need,

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Speaker 1: but they're not gonna have all the stuff they need either.

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Speaker 2: So speed.

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Speaker 1: Maybe let's go and there. Look, that's a philosophy of warfare.

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Speaker 1: Speed kills. Julius Caesar was famous for this. He believed it.

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Speaker 1: I believe it. It's very effective. Hey, yeah, you're not

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Speaker 1: gonna have all your stuff, but go there's he So

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Speaker 1: we launched this Guatdalcanal campaign.

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Speaker 2: But here's the problem.

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Speaker 1: If you're going to land a bunch of Marines on

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Speaker 1: Guaddalcanal and have them fight, that's good. Good for you.

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Speaker 1: Let the Marines go do what they do. But marines,

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Speaker 1: all troops, they require a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 2: They eat and.

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Speaker 1: They have to eat. They need ways to acquire drinking water.

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Speaker 1: They need ammunition, a lot of it. They need equipment,

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Speaker 1: a lot of it, artillery shells, they need medical supplies,

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Speaker 1: they need the logistics involved in landing an amphibious force

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Speaker 1: on hostile terrain you don't control. It is a nightmare

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Speaker 1: and it takes so much practice to get this right.

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Speaker 1: Remember this is the beginning of World War Two. We

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Speaker 1: haven't been island hopping for years. We are learning how

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Speaker 1: to do this. So here's let me just give you

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Speaker 1: the thirty thousand of you. Here's how it goes. The

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Speaker 1: Marines are saying, hey, we need a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 1: We're fine, we'll go beat everyone up on Guadalcanal. That's fine,

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Speaker 1: but you are going to give us all of our stuff, right,

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Speaker 1: all the bombs and medical stuff. You aren't going to

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Speaker 1: give us that right. And the Navy, and this is

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking on the Navy. This is one Avril

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Speaker 1: who made this call. And really it was the smart call.

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Speaker 1: This is not me insulting the Navy. The Navy said, ah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about all your stuff. The Marines said, no,

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Speaker 1: we we need you to stay at Guadalcanal with your

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Speaker 1: ships for five days to unload all the stuff we

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Speaker 1: need unloaded. We need five days from you, Navy. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna give us five days, right, And the Navy said,

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Speaker 1: we are in hostile territory here. The Japanese control the skies.

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Speaker 1: The Japanese are all over the seas. No, you will

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Speaker 1: not have five days. We will give you three. Unload

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Speaker 1: whatever you can after three day, and then we are

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Speaker 1: taking our aircraft carriers and we are leaving because we

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Speaker 1: can't afford to get caught out here with our pants

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Speaker 1: down and lose an aircraft carrier or two. Frankly, our

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Speaker 1: aircraft carriers are a lot more important than the Marines

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Speaker 1: who were on the ground. And look, when you're one

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Speaker 1: of the Marines on the ground, you don't want to

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Speaker 1: hear that. No wants to hear that. But they weren't

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Speaker 1: necessarily wrong. You don't risk an aircraft carrier for some marines.

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Speaker 1: You just don't. You can't at this point because you

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Speaker 1: can't replace them. You can replace the marines. The aircraft

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Speaker 1: carriers are one of a kind. So that's going to

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Speaker 1: come into play here for the Battle of Tsavo Island.

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Speaker 1: They got three days and then the aircraft carriers left now,

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Speaker 1: it's not that all naval support left, our aircraft carriers left.

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Speaker 1: We'll finish this story next hour. Let's honor the fallen.

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Speaker 2: B B.

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