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Speaker 2: I'm that for me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've

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Speaker 2: heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for day? At to State?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 1: Whoo whoom? And now Dan and Tie, Hey everyone, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to our week or preview episode. Tie is attending

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Speaker 1: to some family and life stuff that's far more sensible

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Speaker 1: for him to spend his time doing than talking to

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Speaker 1: me about I don't know Missouri's defense or something. So

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to welcome. Welcome on. Excuse me our old

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Speaker 1: pal Andy Staples. Andy, howy you doing? Hi?

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Speaker 2: Dan? What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Not too much? I'm excited for a week of football,

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Speaker 1: and because I was, I didn't know if I was

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Speaker 1: going to have tie or not. I have the schedule

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Speaker 1: of games and topics right in front of me, so

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Speaker 1: I guess this is where you sort of vent about

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Speaker 1: Brandon Wimbush and Ian Book for seventeen to nineteen minutes,

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Speaker 1: so whenever you're ready.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, how did they do this all spring?

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Speaker 2: And didn't they know this was coming? And I'm actually

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Speaker 2: fine with Brandon Wimbush and Ian Book. I just say

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Speaker 2: I think Notre Dame folks need to understand they are

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Speaker 2: a team that has a really good defense and an

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Speaker 2: okay offense, and their games are all going to induce

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Speaker 2: heart attacks this year. Yeah, they're probably gonna win most

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Speaker 2: of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's fine. And you know what, Florida State's a

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Speaker 1: lot worse than we thought they would be. They're on

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Speaker 1: the schedule, usc they've got some issues, they're on the schedule,

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Speaker 1: so you know what thinks to looking all right.

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Speaker 2: I would be perfectly happy as a Notre Dame person.

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Speaker 2: Now here's the problem, and this is what bothers them.

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Speaker 2: They're sweating a trip to Wake Forest this weekend. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but that's just how it's gonna be. You're gonna sweat

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Speaker 2: those games. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: When you beat ball State by eight, everything's a sweat

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you beat Vandy by five.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. How it goes, It is how it goes.

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Speaker 1: There's not much in the way of news. Sometimes we

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Speaker 1: another Twitter statement and it almost feels like he's trying

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Speaker 1: to outwork the problem that he's facing publicly. Did you

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Speaker 2: Not really, because listen, lawyers got paid a lot of

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Speaker 2: I mean, why should he. He got the result he

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Speaker 2: the Ohio State Board of Trustees, they they bought it. So, Hm,

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Speaker 2: he didn't need to release another statement at all. No. Now,

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Speaker 2: I thought the press conference was a good idea because

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to be getting those questions

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Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough and across the country. And this is,

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Speaker 2: Of college football. Yeah, it's all about it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: And that's perfectly fine with me.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's been like, I don't know, three four years

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Speaker 2: And nobody swung a kettlebell at somebody else's time.

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Speaker 1: No Grammy. I don't know if did he ever actually

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Speaker 2: The first time production and not for performing. Yes, yes

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Speaker 1: Good distinction. So UCLA's starting quarterbacks father, and this is

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Speaker 1: My question to you is if and when someday one

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Speaker 2: I would delete Twitter if one of these is in

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Speaker 1: Was he was there any truth to what he said?

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Speaker 1: I have the quotes in front of me that Kelly

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Speaker 2: Bunch of Is this guy would be complaining if he

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Speaker 2: I I don't. And here's the thing you gotta you

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Speaker 2: think Chip Kelly, you know, having coach as many years

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Speaker 2: how to manage it a little bit. And look, that's

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Speaker 2: and you know the next two or three.

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Speaker 1: Fair and So I had this theory and I was

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't feel like it's the recipe for succeeding.

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Speaker 1: You want somebody on on an ascension, I would say.

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Speaker 2: Well, and here's the thing. It just depends on if

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Speaker 2: Steve Spurrier is motivated by a sheer hatred of losing.

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Speaker 2: that wasn't his concern. His concern was there are games

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Speaker 2: these other guys, it just kind of depends on their motivation. Now, look,

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Speaker 2: could always recruit dudes. You get dudes in the PAC

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Speaker 1: And in LA it's a weird situation. And I know

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Speaker 1: Kelly doesn't have much at UCLA right now.

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Speaker 2: In USC another situation where you can fix that fairly quickly.

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Speaker 1: Correct, yes, And because the local talent is what it is.

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Speaker 1: Even though you know Stanford and USC, even Oregon's recruiting

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Speaker 1: I'm not I don't think I'm terribly worried long term

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Speaker 2: But the thing about it is they've got to win

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Speaker 2: You have to make them care, and they're not giving

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Speaker 2: so you know, it's he doesn't necessarily help sell the program.

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Speaker 2: But if if i'm Chip, and I think I understand

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Speaker 2: get that, And if that's the way he wants to go,

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Speaker 2: and we've seen what Dorian Thompson Robinson can do. I

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Speaker 2: wonder about the Wilton Spate starting thing. That was a

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Speaker 1: I assume it was the sort of mental rep thing

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Speaker 1: just to give him a little bit of air to breathe.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's here's the thing people need to understand about

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Speaker 2: some cases it may be burn it down and build

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Speaker 1: All right, let's stay with another new coach just as

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Speaker 1: there are a number of interesting ones. But I don't

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Speaker 2: I would think, so I was going to I was

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Speaker 1: We could have gone to Weekend at Bernie's. Although that's

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Speaker 2: I thought series, Oh, oh, we're just going Jonathan to

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Speaker 1: Yes. Texas A and M has an as impressive of

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Speaker 1: Is that internal motivation for Jimbo Fisher to say, I

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Speaker 1: He absolutely does. You know he has the chance to

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Speaker 2: But again, he's one of those it he hates losing

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Speaker 2: I just think that's probably the key ingredient and a

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Speaker 2: going to find out this weekend, how far Jimbo Fisher

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Speaker 2: find out what the real distance is. Because he was

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Speaker 2: not just beat them once like Kevin Somelman did in

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Speaker 2: we're about to see how far Texas A and M

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Speaker 1: Fair And when you look at this matchup, Alabama's favored

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Speaker 2: Which is insane, which that is crazy, crazy number. If

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Speaker 2: Now, we'll see if he can surpass the third quarter

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the counterpoint. I suppose if there's any sort

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Speaker 1: They've been very bad defensively. Texas A and M on

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Speaker 1: Is there any morsel? Is there any meat on that

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Speaker 2: Yes, this will be the best group of athletes at

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Speaker 2: a very good coordinator. That said, I still don't know

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Speaker 2: You know, back when Alabama tried to grind you into dust,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's watching Deontay Thompson play center field is

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Speaker 1: There was a certain amount watching that game of like

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Speaker 2: There absolutely is AI. I mean, but it's not an AI.

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Speaker 2: They adjust quickly. They they just they learn fast and

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Speaker 2: if you out scheme them, they'll just change the scheme

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Speaker 2: And I would have said they definitely do have a chance,

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Speaker 1: Give me a if you have to come up with

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Speaker 2: I'd say it's about a thirty five percent chance. That's

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Speaker 2: So I don't even I don't know that Texas A

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Speaker 1: And a friendly reminder in that second half if they

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Speaker 1: chip game changers. Just absurd. Let's go from there. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go from I think I'm fine taking Alabama.

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Speaker 2: The points. I just ye, it's fine. I don't see

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Speaker 1: I have fourteen points as what Georgia is favored by

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Speaker 2: Georgia is closer than people realize. I think that South

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Speaker 2: And you know, we just didn't know had Georgia ascendeds

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Speaker 2: But if you don't get any protection, you're going to

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Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because we assume Northwestern was good right

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Speaker 1: So, it's my belief as we move from the nooner

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Speaker 1: headliner I suppose to four thirty, it's my belief that

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Speaker 1: I think everybody should come away from Ohio State TCU

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Speaker 1: thinking both teams are good and TCU just isn't as

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Speaker 1: talented as Ohio State. But I have no idea what

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Speaker 1: to take away from Texas USC in terms of Texas

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Speaker 1: being good or USC really being a struggling team, and.

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Speaker 2: These I take anything away from that yet. Okay, after

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Speaker 2: Friday and Saturday, we may be able to take some

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Speaker 2: stuff away because USC's got to play Washington State Friday night,

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Speaker 2: and then Texas has TCU. That's the first time ToxS

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Speaker 2: has just taken a Power five team to the woodshed

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Speaker 2: since twenty thirteen. So I don't know what to make

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Speaker 2: of that because I haven't seen it very often. You know,

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Speaker 2: can they repeat that? I don't know they'll have to

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Speaker 2: against TCU. This series has been as lopsided as it

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Speaker 2: gets the last four years. I don't think Texas scored

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Speaker 2: more than ten points against him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and TCU is probably better prepared under Gary Patterson

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Speaker 1: to bounce back or not get too high, not get

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Speaker 1: too low as they go and face the team that

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Speaker 1: must feel particularly good to beat, like I assume Texas

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Speaker 1: is for big twelve teams, TCU is favored by three

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Speaker 1: and a half. I want to say in this game,

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Speaker 1: I think I feel good about TCU because it does

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Speaker 1: feel like a letdown spot for Texas and that, like

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Speaker 1: you said, they haven't been in this position to just

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Speaker 1: destroy a big program.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And here's here's the thing. The last four years

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Speaker 2: this game has looked like, you know, you've got two

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Speaker 2: teams with a similar talent profile, and one is well

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Speaker 2: coached with a very clearly defined identity, knows exactly what

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Speaker 2: it is, and the other one has no identity. That's

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Speaker 2: why TCU has destroyed Texas last four years. Now, maybe

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Speaker 2: Texas is developing that identity, but I have a hard

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Speaker 2: time picking Texas because I know what TCU is. TCU

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Speaker 2: always knows what it is, So I'm gonna pick TCU

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Speaker 2: in this one. I keep. My whole thing with Texas

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Speaker 2: is prove me wrong, Prove me wrong, prove me wrong. Well,

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Speaker 2: last week they finally did, but I'm gonna need to

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Speaker 2: be proven wrong a few more times because I just

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Speaker 2: they've they've burned us all too much since the Mac

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Speaker 2: Brown era. Basically, they just, for whatever reason, can't seem

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Speaker 2: to define themselves. And I don't understand that because if

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Speaker 2: I asked, you know, ten different people, what is Texas football?

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Speaker 2: And if I if I asked you schematically, what is

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Speaker 2: Texas football? Right, especially offensively, people are gonna go I

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Speaker 2: don't know. Now. I do feel like under Toddle Orlando

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Speaker 2: they have developed more of a defensive identity, and I

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Speaker 2: think that's probably a good first step. But the question

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Speaker 2: is was the offense we saw in the first half

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Speaker 2: or the second half last week, is that what it's

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Speaker 2: going to be. Because if it is, that's pretty good. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I could live with that absolutely. And the problem for

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Speaker 1: me with Texas over four quarters is we saw what

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Speaker 1: it'll take against TCU to beat them by double digits,

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Speaker 1: and that was a talent advantage with Texas may have

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Speaker 1: at certain spots, and also the ability to wear down TCU,

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Speaker 1: because I don't think you're gonna be able to outscheme TCU,

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Speaker 1: and Ohio State with Mike Weber and JK. Dobbins eventually

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Speaker 1: wore them down. I don't the Texas run game to me,

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Speaker 1: and the offensive line just isn't in that place.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think they're ready to do that yet. Now,

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Speaker 2: maybe they can do that against some other teams in

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Speaker 2: the Big twelve and have a good season and have

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Speaker 2: another good recruiting class and then be to the point

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Speaker 2: where they can do that it's CCU, but I just

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Speaker 2: don't feel like they're quite there yet. And again I

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Speaker 2: need them to prove me wrong a few more times.

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Speaker 1: All right, and let's let's stick with bruising, running and fun.

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin's going on the road and taking on Iowa, and

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Speaker 1: I would love to take Iowa in this game. It's

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Speaker 1: a you know, Iowa City's tough place to play. The

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Speaker 1: defense so far, you know, to shut down that Iowa

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Speaker 1: state team, which I think is more impressive after what

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Speaker 1: we saw them do against Oklahoma, just it rings even

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Speaker 1: more true. And Wisconsin has looked I mean, they look

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Speaker 1: sloppy against BYU offensively, defensively they got run on a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Is there any reason for you to believe

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Speaker 1: in this Iowa team with what I think has been

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Speaker 1: a pretty woeful offense. That's the other side of this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna take Iowa in this game. Really? Is

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Speaker 2: it because that home defense part of that, but also

581
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Speaker 2: because Wisconsin's defense is not what was true. They're just

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Speaker 2: they're not as good as they have in the past

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Speaker 2: few years. They personnel wise, they've had some losses, either

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Speaker 2: because of graduation or just because they've had some attrition.

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Speaker 2: They are just not as talented or as deep on

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Speaker 2: defense as they have been. Now. Wisconsin's defense absolutely dominated

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Speaker 2: Iowa last year. If you remember that game, the only

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Speaker 2: points Iowa scored were two pick sixes of Alex Hornybrook.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think that's going to happen this year.

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Speaker 2: I think i was going to be a move the

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Speaker 2: ball a little bit and then Iowa defense is much

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Speaker 2: better now because Iowa's offense was so bad and they're

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Speaker 2: going three and out every time. Wisconsin's offense eventually just

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Speaker 2: just decimated Iowa's defense last year. I don't think that

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Speaker 2: happens this year. I think, you know, i was going

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Speaker 2: to be able to sustain some drives, which is going

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Speaker 2: to give the defense a little bit of rest and

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Speaker 2: they're not going to have to deal with those massive

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Speaker 2: offensive linemen and Jonathan Taylor coming at them just over

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Speaker 2: and over and over again. I think they're going to

601
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Speaker 2: have a little chance to take a breather and they'll

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Speaker 2: be able to get some stops. So and Kennick is

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Speaker 2: a tough, tough place to play, especially at night. So

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Speaker 2: I like Iowa in this game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't hate Iowa here. And the

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Speaker 1: thing that concerns me with Wisconsin, I mean, yes, the

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Speaker 1: defensive turnover is worried some Offensively, if you're going against

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Speaker 1: a tough front with this Wisconsin team and you're not

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Speaker 1: able to generate points on defense and things start going wrong.

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Speaker 1: They can't dramatically change all that much. They're built around

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Speaker 1: an ideal for better or worse on offense. And here's

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Speaker 1: the other It feels like a bad matchup.

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Speaker 2: The only thing that went right for Iowa last year

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Speaker 2: is they picked off Hornibroker a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: I feel like in this particular matchup, with Wisconsin not

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Speaker 2: being as good on defense, picking off Hornibroker a couple

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Speaker 2: of times could swing the game. Yeah, Iowa had a

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Speaker 2: couple of games like that. They It didn't help them

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Speaker 2: against Wisconsin last year, it absolutely helped him against Ohio State. True,

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Speaker 2: they can frustrate a quarterback to the point where he

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Speaker 2: just keeps throwing them the ball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Hornybrook is the thing that worries me about taking

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin in this game, where if you know, if they

625
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Speaker 1: go down ten to three, ten, nothing does he start pressing.

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Speaker 1: He's down a receiver. That's what worries me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's a legitimate worry. I mean,

628
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Speaker 2: this guy through fifteen interceptions last year, So I just

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Speaker 2: I don't many this is I think I don't know

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Speaker 2: if I've talked you into Iowa yet, But I feel

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Speaker 2: like I don't feel like I'm making that crazy of

632
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Speaker 2: a pick here, And maybe maybe I'm just being my

633
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Speaker 2: opinion is being influenced too much by the YU game.

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Speaker 2: But I'm having a lot of because I picked Wisconsin

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Speaker 2: to make the playoff, to win the Big Ten and

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Speaker 2: make the playoff, and I'm having a lot of buyer's

637
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Speaker 2: remorse on that. And I just from a talent standpoint,

638
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: I should have looked at what they had coming back

639
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Speaker 2: on defense a little more closely than I did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's year two of a new coordinator

641
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: who inherited a ton in his first year, and a

642
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: brand new coach on a major level in Jim Leonard.

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Speaker 1: It's worrisome. So yeah, I'm right there. I'm probably going

644
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: to need some talking into for my own team if

645
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Speaker 1: you are feeling anything about Oregon, because it's another two

646
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Speaker 1: teams who are getting closer and closer to playing a

647
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: very similar brand of football. Stanford travels to Eugene. It's

648
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: the eight o'clock ABC game. Stanford's favored by a couple

649
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: points in a tough place to play, Addson Stadium against

650
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: what appears to be even though they've played nobody a

651
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: very good Oregon defense. We think this should be a

652
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: good Oregon defense based on talent on multiple levels and

653
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: the improvement that we saw under year one of Jim

654
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: Levitt last year. It hurts too much to take Oregon

655
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: in this game after all the heartbreak I've been through

656
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 1: these past few years. Is what would be the big

657
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: selling point with taking Oregon against the stand team? And

658
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: does it rhyme with Schmusten Schmerbert?

659
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 2: It sure does. Okay, Stanford has not seen a quarterback

660
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: like this yet. As good as they've been on defense,

661
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 2: it has not been against anyone as dynamic as Justin Herbert.

662
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: And that's a big X factor right there. I'm gonna

663
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: take Stanford in this game just because Bryce love before

664
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: he got hurt against Organ last year, was having a

665
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: really good game. I still am not sure Oregon can

666
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: stop them. I know they've gotten better, I know Jim lovet'

667
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: is a good coordinator, but I'm not convinced Organ can

668
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: stop them. That said, if I'm wrong on this, it

669
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 2: will be because Justin Herbert slice and dice that defense,

670
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: because we don't know if they're good yet. I mean,

671
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: they've played San Diego State, which is you know, it's

672
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 2: not a mirror image team, but.

673
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: It's in the same style.

674
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 2: But they do makes a lot more sense to Oregon

675
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 2: players because it's similar to what they see every day.

676
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: And the mess offensively.

677
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: Us he is a mess. And here here would be

678
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: my case against in addition to all of the good

679
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: things about Stanford is I'm a little bit worried about

680
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: the secondary and just getting boxed out by Stanford's big

681
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: pass catchers.

682
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 2: Well, Parkinson think arsica wetside. It's not just catching fifty

683
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: to fifty balls, right. One of the things he does

684
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: really well is draws pass interference penalties. Yeah, they have

685
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: the ultimate safety blanket where if they get in third

686
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: and long, you throw it up to him and I'd

687
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: say there's about a sixty six percent chance that's something

688
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: good for Stanford happens because he'll either catch the ball

689
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: or he'll draw a penalty. And a third of the

690
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: time maybe you you swat it away or it's a

691
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: bad throw. But he just he's really good at forcing

692
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: DB's to do things that the refs will throw a

693
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: flag on.

694
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's six three two twenty five with long arms,

695
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: and so what DB's have to do to play against him.

696
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: Chows itself very plainly well, and.

697
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: That's when it's a jump ball and everyone's looking at you.

698
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: It's not a bad bang play. It's usually like a

699
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: slower developing deal. So the official nearest the play gets

700
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: a great look at how he's being covered, and that's

701
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: usually going to be a problem for the dB.

702
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: I would also add that the Oregon receivers have not

703
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: been good. They are definitely a full step or two

704
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: down from where they were even a couple of years

705
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: ago with Darren Carrington and Royce Freeman was never tackled

706
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: by an arm. He ran no every arm, and Oregon

707
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: does not have that in the backfield. Next to Justin Herbert,

708
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: they do not have that luxury. Royce Freeman had a

709
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: very nice game. If you remember when they won in

710
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: Palatto with Fernon Adams. I guess now three years ago,

711
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: that is an enormous luxury against a team who is

712
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: all that happy to force you to gain four yards

713
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:46,959
Speaker 1: at a time.

714
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: Now, I'm with you on that I'd like to pick

715
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: Organ in this game. I just I'm just not ready yet.

716
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: I keep saying it, and I just believe that they

717
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: are a year away. Okay, they're getting there, they're just

718
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: not quite there yet.

719
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: Yep. And I think Herbert will there's a good chance

720
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: he'll be back, depending on what actually his draft stock

721
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: looks like. I think his brother is coming to Oregon

722
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: next year.

723
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the only way he's not back is

724
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 2: if he's going to be the first guy off the

725
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: board and there's just no other option. But I think

726
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: Drew Locke is probably going to have the scouts just

727
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: ooing and eyeing, So it may behoove Herbert to come

728
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: back and then be the first guy off the board

729
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 2: the next year.

730
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: Fair, Let's say in the Pacific Northwest, because there's a

731
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: team there that plays defense maybe as well as anybody

732
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: not named Alabama or Georgia. That's the Washington Huskies, who

733
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: have a ridiculous secondary. Their line has been very good,

734
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: They've got talented linebacker, and they are just a little

735
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: bit slow and sluggish on offense. As Arizona State comes

736
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,479
Speaker 1: into town coming off a loss their second straight game

737
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: on the road, do you see this Washington team progressing

738
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 1: in the right direction.

739
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: This is a matchup I worry about. Okay, I remember

740
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: lost offense did against Arizona State last year. Yeah, nothing, nothing,

741
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: They got completely shut down. And you know, Arizona State,

742
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: as far as the athletes they have back there, they

743
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: might be better defensively than they were last year with a

744
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: defensive minded head coach. Now I know Todd Graham was

745
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: ostensibly a defensive minded head coach as well. Right, here's

746
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: the thing, this is a this is a crazy stat

747
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: And we had Brockyward on our radio show and he

748
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: threw this out there. In their last twelve meetings, do

749
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: you know how many times Washington has beaten Arizona State.

750
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: We're going back to some real bad Washington teams.

751
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: We're going back to two thousand and two.

752
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so twice once, once.

753
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: Wow, they crushed them. In twenty sixteen, the Washington team

754
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: that made the playoff beat Arizona State forty four to

755
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: eighteen in Seattle.

756
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: Okay, but what was an ass? Yeah?

757
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: This because it has the feeling of a styles make

758
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: fights kind of game. And so if styles make fights,

759
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 2: this is this appears to be Washington's kryptonite here.

760
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something that I think could be confusing that.

761
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: You know, Arizona State goes to a three three five

762
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: with San Diego State's old coordinator Danny Gonzalez and the

763
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: early part of the season. If there's anything that has

764
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: defined Jake Browning's experience, it has been being overwhelmed and

765
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: confused at times.

766
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: When he gets pressured, he will he will throw it.

767
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: Up and he will panic.

768
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And you've seen that throughout his career and

769
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: it hasn't really changed that much. So and the number

770
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: is huge, Washington.

771
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: By seventeen points.

772
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: Now, see, I will happily if we're just going against

773
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: the spread, I'll happily take Arizona State and take your money.

774
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: Washington may want game, but I'm taking your money.

775
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,640
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00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: seemingly without Adrian Martinez, who has hurt. They are almost

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Speaker 1: twenty point underdogs against a Michigan team that you either

812
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: A believe is going in the right direction or b

813
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: might not be. But is it least in a better

814
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Speaker 1: direction Nebraska.

815
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the deal with Nebraska. They're gonna be fine eventually,

816
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: but not in the near term, especially as long as

817
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 2: Adrian Martinez is playing. And here's if I'm Scott Frost,

818
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 2: I don't play Adrian Martinez until he's a million percent healthy.

819
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: I don't want him to play him. I don't want

820
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: to play him in any sort of weakened state where

821
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: he might get hurt worse. Just let him sit out,

822
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 2: take your lumps and deal with it. Everybody in Nebraska

823
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: still loves Scott Frost. They will still love him even

824
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: with this year's tough They'll just they'll blame everything on

825
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: Mike Riley and some of them, and some of the

826
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: blame does belong on Mike Riley, to be honest. Sure,

827
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: So I don't worry about Nebraska. I just feel like

828
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 2: they're going to have to go through some pain before

829
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 2: it gets better. And all I want, all I tell

830
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: people is Scott Frost's first year at UCF ended with

831
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 2: UCF fans booing Mackenzie Milton off the field.

832
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: Wow.

833
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 2: So that's all you need to do to remember. Is

834
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: it happened that quickly? And Adrian Martin is a special quarterback,

835
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 2: so don't risk him in a season where you're I mean,

836
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: you're gonna be struggling to make a bowl game. Don't

837
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: risk him for that. So I don't expect him to

838
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: play against Michigan. If he did play against Michigan, I'd

839
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: give him more of a chance. But I even though

840
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: the number is huge, as nineteen and a half I

841
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: give I'll take Michigan and that number because I think

842
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: Nebraska is going to struggle to move the ball at

843
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: all against Michigan. I do think Nebraska's defense could make

844
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: life a little bit difficult for Michigan, but I think

845
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: Michigan's offense is going to have the ball so much

846
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: because I think there're gonna be just a lot of

847
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: three and outs that I think Michigan will eventually hit

848
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: that number.

849
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, let's stay on the topic of special

850
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: quarterbacks because we have the opportunity to see one of

851
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: them explode. At three point thirty on ESPN, West Virginia

852
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: hosting Kansas State, who has been rough. Yes, it has

853
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: been rough this year and not in the like Bill

854
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: Snyder is a wizard and he is rough on teams.

855
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: West Virginia if and you mentioned Ole Missus receiving core.

856
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: If it's not Old miss it might be West Virginia's

857
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: that has just a top, top level.

858
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, David Wills and Gary Jennings, this is a good

859
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: group and K State does not look like K State.

860
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: No, how hi can West Virginia go?

861
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

862
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: How hi can West Virginia go with this really good

863
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: offense and below average defense.

864
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's below average, Dan, Okay, I

865
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: don't know that was a leading See. I don't know

866
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: that K State is the test necessarily, but I do

867
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: think that they're they're probably a little better than than

868
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: we think. I'm not saying they're they're going to be

869
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: Alabama good or anything, but they're going to get some

870
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: stops that The remaking of the interior d line was

871
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 2: big for them. Two grad transfers Deeril Robinson from from Clemson,

872
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 2: and then they had Kenny Bigelow come over. Kenny Bigelow

873
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: wasn't even gonna play football anymore. He had been a

874
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: five star recruit. He'd gone to USC and he just

875
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: had a bunch of you know, injury problems, and he

876
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: just never could get going. And he's got a couple

877
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 2: high like David Sills is one of his high school teamates,

878
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: and then Dakuille Schwartz, who doesn't play for West Virginia

879
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: where but works there, is another one of his high

880
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: school teammates. And they said, hey, just just give it

881
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: one more shot. And if you saw him in that

882
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 2: Tennessee game, he was a force. He was collapsing the

883
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: pocket all almost every play. He's blowing up running plays.

884
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: A guy like that makes a huge difference when you

885
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 2: know you're trying to deal with a less experienced secondary

886
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: and actually they have some experience in the back end.

887
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: Now West Virginia, they last year was sort of you know,

888
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: come in here and take your lumps, but I think

889
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: their experienced enough. The question is to have anybody coming

890
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: off the edge that can really affect the quarterback. And

891
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: again that against k State, that's not really the test.

892
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: It will be when they play Texas Tech, Oklahoma Oklahoma State.

893
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 2: Can they do it then that'll be the big question,

894
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 2: But we don't have to find out about that until November.

895
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm happy to give these fourteen and a half points.

896
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 1: I think will career.

897
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 2: I'm all for it.

898
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has reached the point where when things break down,

899
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: he has a look on his face that's just yeah,

900
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: I got you. Don't worry, this is going to happen.

901
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: Don't worry. It's weird that we've gone this long without

902
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: discussing Florida Tennessee. But on the same level, it's not because.

903
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: It we did mention At the one time. We were

904
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: saying they're kind of you know, we're trying to figure

905
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 2: out how close they are together in terms of reformation projects.

906
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: But it's not a big grand scheme game. Now, it

907
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: could be a really fun game to watch if they

908
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: are fairly close in talent, because you know, you've got

909
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: two pretty good schematic coaches who would much rather have

910
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 2: a different roster and you see him go at it

911
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 2: and get frustrated and try to try to outweit each other.

912
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 2: I think that could be fun to wat which it

913
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: just may not mean anything it obviously, you know, as

914
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: long as George is doing it's doing, it's not going

915
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 2: to mean anything in terms of the SEC East race.

916
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: So is that why you watch this game just in

917
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: hopes that it's close and weird at the end that

918
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: there isn't necessarily Yeah.

919
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 2: And it has. It has been a fun name to watch. Well.

920
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: Last year was not a fun game to watch. Last

921
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: year was a horrible game that had a very exciting

922
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: play at the end. Right. It was not It was

923
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 2: not well played. Neither team looked good. But Felipe Franks

924
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: hit tier Cleveland at the end on a crazy pass

925
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, oh my god, that that was That

926
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: was the big selling point there. Uh. The one the

927
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: year before where Florida took the big lead and then

928
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: Tennessee came back and put the hammer down in the

929
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: second half. That was fun to watch. Uh. The one

930
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: where will Rerear save Florida's bacon was fun to watch.

931
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 2: But it's that's the thing that they these programs seem

932
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 2: pretty close together. And again, that's not what you want

933
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 2: to hear if your Dan Mullen, because you thought maybe

934
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 2: it'd be better. But I think the Kentucky game sort

935
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 2: of disabused him of any notion that that they were

936
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: somehow superior to these other teams in the East that

937
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: are kind of on the on the level they've been on.

938
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: So and I and I don't know that Mullen. Actually,

939
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 2: I think that's more of the fan base. I think

940
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 2: Mullen probably figured that out the first spring practice. But yeah,

941
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: it's one of those that the fan base was the

942
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: balloon got punctured pretty bad with the Kentucky loss.

943
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think in a game where there's a lot

944
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: of concerns about both teams and the home team who

945
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: plays in a large stadium in a rivalry game is

946
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: getting points, I'm gonna take those points. Yeah. It feels

947
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: like the responsible adult thing today.

948
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 2: It does. It does. Road favorites scare the hell out

949
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: of me normally, and I just I have no idea

950
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 2: what's going to happen in that game. So I'd say

951
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: let logic be your guide.

952
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: All Right, We've got a couple of other road favorites

953
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: here Phippy State on the road against said Kentucky.

954
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: I don't like a double digit line here, don't so.

955
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: Many points and Kentucky's Kentucky's been able to run the ball.

956
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: Their defense has been pretty frisky. That's a tough that's

957
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: it feels trappy.

958
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: Kentucky has a really good offensive line. Mississippi State has

959
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: a great defensive line.

960
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: Yes they do.

961
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: So that's the question is how good is Kentucky's offensive

962
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: line because if they're they're if they're good enough to

963
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 2: kind of toe to toe with them, then this will

964
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 2: be a close game. I think Missippi State will still

965
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 2: win it, but it'd be close because I as exciting

966
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: as Terry Wilson is, Nick Fitzgerald is a better version

967
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 2: of Terry Wilson.

968
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: Yes, and they are going to be happy to run

969
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: it at Kentucky ad nauseum.

970
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Kentucky's going to try to do the same

971
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: thing to them. This may this may be over in

972
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: about three hours and five minutes, which you know all

973
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: the games are too long kind of people can can

974
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: finally shut up?

975
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: Oh they had watch this one. If you if games

976
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: are too long for you, watch Mississippi State can This

977
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: is going to be like a Greg Maddox game where

978
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: just like up and down, up and down. All right,

979
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: we scored, We're kicking up and down.

980
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 2: You're gonna throw a seventy nine pitch complete game. It's

981
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: gonna be fantastic.

982
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: Oh wonderful. Let's stick with road favorites and let's go

983
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: Michigan State Indiana. Michigan State. Coming off of bye week

984
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: and a loss in the Desert, Indiana's looked surprisingly not

985
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: I guess not surprisingly because Tom Allen did a good

986
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: job turning the defense around. But they're running the ball well,

987
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: they played decent defense. This game's on. It looks like Btn.

988
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: I may like Indiana here, am I.

989
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: Crazy to plays good defense under Tom Allen? And I'm

990
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: wondering if if Michigan State struggled to score that badly

991
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: against Arizona State, they may struggle to score here too,

992
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: They may. I might be with you on this one.

993
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: Wow, what a world we live in.

994
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: Sort of the thing is, we still win money if

995
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 2: Michigan State wins by a field goal.

996
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 1: That's true. And you know what, Michigan State's a team

997
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: who can't run the ball, So I don't think they're

998
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: blowing many teams out this year, and that exactly.

999
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 2: It's sort of like Notre Dame, but not not quite

1000
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: as dominant a defense.

1001
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 1: Wow, I don't know who that's more insulting to comparing

1002
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: Machine State to noticed.

1003
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 2: That you asked Tie when he comes back, and then.

1004
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: I will ask Tie. All of this defense makes me

1005
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: want to talk about Oklahoma State hosting Texas Tech because

1006
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: there may be ninety plus points in this game.

1007
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: You know what, I think Oklahoma State gets some stops

1008
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: because Oklahoma State just faced a really good offense and

1009
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 2: played very well against it. I think Boise States better

1010
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: than a lot of teams in the Big Twelve, and

1011
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State handled them. I don't want to say easily, no,

1012
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: no win like that is easy, but man, they look great.

1013
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: I just I keep saying this and then not following

1014
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: my own advice. We have to give Mike Gundy the

1015
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt. At this point, he has oread it.

1016
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 2: So even if he's losing his quarterback and losing you know,

1017
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: a bunch of skill guys, they're still going to be

1018
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: good because he knows what he's looking for when he's recruiting.

1019
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 2: He knows what his pro is he knows what it's

1020
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 2: supposed to look like. I have no problem with this

1021
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 2: twelve point number. I will take Oklahoma State.

1022
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: The only problem I would put forth is that Oklahoma

1023
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: State wins this game by a touchdown last year with

1024
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: one of their better, if not best, modern quarterbacks in Lubbock.

1025
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: In Lubbock, which is one thousand miles away from everything

1026
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: but for better or worse.

1027
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 2: And very andy, and the people who play there every

1028
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: day have a little bit of an advantage because they understand.

1029
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: This strugg and two years ago Texas Tech with I

1030
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: think it's pretty clear their best quarterback in the modern

1031
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: era wins this game.

1032
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that kind's unbelievable.

1033
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: So short of having Pat Mahomes suit up for Tech

1034
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: this week and listen, Texas Tech looks like the most

1035
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: Texas Tech team possible year over year, they figure out

1036
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and they struggle on defense.

1037
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: Because I didn't seen this line yet, I just yeah,

1038
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 2: for some reason got to this point on the page.

1039
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: Can we do Boston College Purdue?

1040
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: Now we can?

1041
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: Is that the fact and I realized it's a road

1042
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 2: favorite thing, but the fact that Boston College is only

1043
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: favored by seven given everything we watched this year is

1044
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 2: a little shocking.

1045
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: What what changed with Boston College, Where like year over

1046
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: year was like, oh, they have a good defense and

1047
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: they're like randomly putting three guys in the NFL Draft

1048
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: in the first four rounds. But now things have opened

1049
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 1: up on offense and they've become exciting and they're leaning

1050
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: on skill talent. What changed?

1051
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 2: I think getting aj Dillon was was a big thing

1052
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 2: because I mean, he's a he was a blue chip recruit.

1053
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 2: He's not He's not somebody who you know that they

1054
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 2: found a gym diamond in the rough somewhere, right. He's

1055
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 2: someone everybody wanted and they got it. So you have him.

1056
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 2: He's a grown ass man. And then Anthony Brown is

1057
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 2: a really good quarterback. I mean some of those throws

1058
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 2: he was making against Wake Forest, You're like wow. And

1059
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: then they were growing into a good offensive line and

1060
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 2: I think they're now kind of fully formed there. So

1061
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: that's what makes them so tough. That's what I mean.

1062
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,439
Speaker 2: That's a good Wake Forest team that they ran away

1063
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: from at the end of the game.

1064
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: No, the fact that Boston College is at least pretty

1065
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: good feels fun. Like there's nobody in the Northeast. I

1066
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: mean Syracuse has gotten better. Penn State I don't think

1067
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: is truly Northeast. There's something very MIDWESTI about Penn State

1068
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: playing in the Big Ten and being in Central PA.

1069
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: But the fact is, like a BC team that's frisky

1070
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: and that plays Notre Dame every so often, I like this.

1071
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of this on the upward trajectory.

1072
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now I'm gonna enjoy this game because Jeff Brohm

1073
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: is now sort of like the wounded dog that's cornered

1074
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 2: because they've had just bad luck. Things have not gone

1075
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: their way. They need to win badly. He's gonna pull

1076
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 2: out all the stops in this game, and I do

1077
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 2: enjoy when he does that.

1078
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, man, I think I'm gonna take the points.

1079
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be up, back and forth.

1080
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: I it's funny. I'm talking out of both sides of

1081
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: my mouth about road records, but I just seve it.

1082
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 2: I expected that after the Wake Forest game that that

1083
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: Vegas would set this line of like twelve or thirteen.

1084
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 2: So when I saw seven, I was like, Yeah, take

1085
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 2: Boston College.

1086
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna take Purdue in the points.

1087
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: I think it's back and forth. I think Boston College

1088
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: can pull it out. I think it's probably another heartbreaker

1089
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: after last week against Miszoo. Yeah, I'm gonna take the

1090
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: points where I think basically wins this game. Clemson's going

1091
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: to Georgia Tech. I can't really see that many reasons

1092
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: other than Clemson is not really built and is not

1093
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: really coach to run away from teams in the same way.

1094
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: But here's the problem, what's the X factor.

1095
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 2: If you get physically dominated up front, you can't run

1096
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 2: the option.

1097
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: That is the problem. That is a significant issue, especially

1098
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: when the new rules make it even harder to run

1099
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: the option.

1100
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I don't unders. I don't know how

1101
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: because you you have to block it perfectly, they have

1102
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 2: to block it. If you block it perfectly, you score

1103
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 2: a touchdown, right, But if you get beaten inside, like

1104
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 2: if Dexter Lawrence comes through the line of scrimmage, the

1105
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: play is over mm hmm and bad and tipmin and

1106
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: you know, depending on whether they've pulled from the full

1107
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 2: back and and and gone into the quarterback and the

1108
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 2: and the pitchman. At that point, really bad things can happen.

1109
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: So yes, I just don't like. I don't like them

1110
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 2: mad again, and the styles make fights kind of game.

1111
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: I I don't like running the option against a vastly superior,

1112
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 2: you know, vastly athletically superior defensive line.

1113
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also I mean Georgia Tech may improve on

1114
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: offense eventually, or excuse me, on defense with Nate Woodie.

1115
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: If they get to average, they become a dangerous team,

1116
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: but not against Clemson, and probably not with what they're

1117
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: what they have on defense right now.

1118
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just I don't don't like this one

1119
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 2: for Druga Tech. It's I don't like the matchup at all.

1120
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: All right, another matchup and this I guess we're going

1121
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: back to late Friday night, which is where USC lost

1122
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: this game on a Friday night in Pullman last year.

1123
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: But Wazoo, who comes in not having played many opponents

1124
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: that'll tell us anything really about the Cougars go to

1125
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: La to play against the USC team two weeks on

1126
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: the road, come back, you know, true freshman quarterback who's

1127
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: a little bit dinged up. They lose comfortably last week

1128
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: to Texas, who lost to Maryland. USC seems like they're

1129
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: in disarray a little bit. And Washington State we just

1130
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: don't know much about.

1131
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, this feels like one where everybody hops on Washington

1132
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: State because of how bad USC was last week, and

1133
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 2: then you realize, oh, wait, USC's players are still just

1134
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: way better.

1135
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, this feels like an oh right game that's.

1136
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 2: Just somebody like well, I mean the year Kiffin got fired,

1137
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 2: Washington State went down there and won ten to seven.

1138
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, Like I have no feel for this game whatsoever.

1139
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: So Washington State's defense has been pretty good, but again

1140
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: we don't fully.

1141
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to tell because they haven't really played

1142
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: anybody USC's favored. I'm tempted to take Washington State.

1143
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: Here's what worries me about. I like, in the full

1144
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: course of that, like of your talking, you convinced yourself,

1145
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: You're like, people are gonna jump on Washington State, but

1146
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna jump on Washington and then you finished

1147
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: it like I am.

1148
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: The thing is USC just seems like a mess. Maybe

1149
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 2: they've got it figured out. I know Clay Hilton came

1150
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: out and said, Aha, we have to practice harder, but

1151
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 2: that seemed like an odd statement to me, Like, you

1152
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 2: didn't know you had to practice hard. Here's one of

1153
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 2: the Rose Bowl in a PAC twelve. You should have

1154
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 2: a fairly good idea of what kind of practice it

1155
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 2: takes to win games.

1156
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: The big thing to me about USC is they're much

1157
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: more talented than pretty much everybody on their schedule. They're

1158
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: more talented than Stanford. They're more talented than Texas, and.

1159
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 2: They got whooped in both those games.

1160
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: They got whooped. It wasn't like they lose thirty five

1161
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: thirty three, and it's back and forth in they're trading haymakers,

1162
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,919
Speaker 1: and they have a blue chip at every position, if

1163
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: not three blue chips, And there's something very strange to

1164
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: me about the cook not knowing ingredients and not knowing

1165
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: to at least make something passable. It's worrisome.

1166
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 2: I have to say I wrote a column this weekend

1167
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: because last week it occurred to me what Clay Hilton's

1168
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 2: situation felt like. It felt like another coach that I

1169
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 2: had seen recently, and it didn't I couldn't put my

1170
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 2: finger on until last week. But basically, USC fans feel

1171
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 2: about Clay Hilton the way Florida fans felt about Jim mccaway. Wow,

1172
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 2: we're outside. It looks like a success. I mean, h

1173
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 2: by any objective measure to SECS titles in your first

1174
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: two years, Rose Bullwin in a Pack twelve title, your

1175
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 2: first two years, that's a success. But the people who've

1176
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 2: been the most skeptical are their own fans. That's what

1177
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 2: it was like with Florida. Now, having covered Florida's a

1178
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 2: beat writer, I understood where they were coming from because

1179
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 2: I understood kind of what the program looks like when

1180
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 2: it's positioned to succeed, and I knew it wasn't usc

1181
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: I've never covered as a beat writer. I don't know

1182
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: what as well, So I'm just I was just like

1183
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: everybody else. I'm like, what are you complaining about? Guys?

1184
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: And now I see what they were complaining about because

1185
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 2: a lot of the things they've complained about over the

1186
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 2: first two years of Clay Helton now seem to be

1187
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 2: coming home to roost. So the difference is Jim mcawain

1188
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: and his administration did not get along with one another.

1189
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 2: Clay Helton and his administration do. Everybody likes Clay Helton.

1190
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 2: Everybody wants it to work with Clay Helton, so he's

1191
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 2: going to get longer and more chances. And also think

1192
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 2: he's smart enough to know if something's not working, let's

1193
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 2: change something. Macaw he does. In his mcawayne was kind

1194
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 2: of I'm a genius and I'm going to continue being

1195
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 2: a genius and I'll make it work.

1196
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: And he does have the track record of and this

1197
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: is for better or worse, of starting terribly like they

1198
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: did a couple of years ago and finishing the season

1199
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: beating a playoff team in Seattle.

1200
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 2: But there is the thing about twenty sixteen was they

1201
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 2: started terribly because he chose the wrong quarterback. He started

1202
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 2: terribly because of a really bad coaching decision.

1203
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1204
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 2: That's it. There's no other explanation for it. It's a

1205
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 2: it's a it's actually a very simple thing, and I

1206
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 2: don't think it speaks well.

1207
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: No, unless it's that same situation of like starting the

1208
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: guys to take his lumps against Alabama and not to well.

1209
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 2: And I also thought it was to keep him transferring

1210
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 2: because Max Brown was probably itching a transfer, so you

1211
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 2: didn't want Tristan Jebby a situation. So you start him

1212
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 2: and and then he sticks around for the year, because

1213
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 2: you know that's that's the deal at Nebraska. If well,

1214
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 2: let's say they start Tristan Jebby in the first game,

1215
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 2: he doesn't transfer and then you just you know, you

1216
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: oki dokhim and put Adrian Martinez in when when you're ready.

1217
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 2: Maybe they still have two scholarship quarterbacks now, So maybe

1218
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 2: maybe that's what it was, But I'm not sure that

1219
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 2: was worth a risk, because Sam Darnold really really good.

1220
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: Good sliding doors by the way, with Clay Helton or

1221
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: not Clay Helton, because the hire was at a different time,

1222
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: but USC and ed Orgron the college football gods shining.

1223
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 2: Remember, So when USC hired Sark and Orgeron was the interim,

1224
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 2: Orgeron quit and refused to coach the bowl game because

1225
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 2: he was so insulted that they had hired Sark and

1226
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 2: Clay Helton was the interim for that game.

1227
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: He was indeed, And there is that like maybe coach

1228
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: O was right. Maybe he was so right. He saw

1229
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: Sark and he saw what he did.

1230
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 2: How about this, Maybe coach O can coach. Yeah, that's

1231
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 2: that's the thing I've been telling people all summer. The

1232
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 2: whole hot seat talk was BS. It was a case

1233
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 2: of writers needing to put someone from every conference on

1234
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 2: their hot seat column. Yeah, and there's nobody on the

1235
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 2: hot seat in the SEC. So they the person who

1236
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 2: I guess was closest to it, or the person who'd

1237
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 2: gotten complained about the most. But the guy won nine

1238
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 2: games in his first season as the head coach. He

1239
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 2: kind of if you.

1240
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: Go, they were very quietly in the back half of

1241
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: last year. Pretty good. Yeah.

1242
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 2: And the other part of it is, yes, he screwed

1243
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 2: up at Ole Miss. He was not a good head

1244
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 2: coach at Ole Miss. He'll be the first person to

1245
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 2: tell you that, right, But look at his record as

1246
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 2: the USC interim, as the LSU interim and last year.

1247
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: The man knows what he's doing.

1248
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: Now, and there's there's a certain degree of Listen. He

1249
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: the Joe Burrow thing will probably work out. Alright. They're

1250
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: not going they're probably not a playoff team, but they

1251
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: have two big wins in which the offense didn't look wonderful,

1252
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: but winning without a wonderful offense.

1253
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 2: They have one of the tough scheduled in the country. Yes,

1254
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 2: and at this point it's going to be hard for

1255
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 2: them to win fewer than eight games.

1256
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: That's incredible, that's that's legitimately he doesn't have.

1257
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 2: They might win ten games against the toughest schedule in

1258
01:04:58,480 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 2: the country.

1259
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, they full on Mike well, I don't know where

1260
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: the text SAY and M game is this year. I

1261
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: don't know where.

1262
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter text A and M hasn't beat them

1263
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 2: since they've been in the league.

1264
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: That's true. Also true this is there's.

1265
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 2: Another one of Jimbo's mandates, by the way, so they're

1266
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 2: always completely depleted by the time they play LSU. Of course,

1267
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 2: he's got to recruit to make them deep enough that

1268
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 2: by the time LSU shows up, they're not thin and

1269
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 2: kind of on their last legs.

1270
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing about Coacho that you don't necessarily

1271
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: see at USC. His teams buy in, which is not insignificant,

1272
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: not at all.

1273
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 2: They will do anything he asks.

1274
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm just I'm fully aboard the like hashtag justice

1275
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: for Kocho.

1276
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 2: Well, I just it's interesting seeing how many people are

1277
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 2: jumping on that bandwagon. Now, trust me, they've been keeping

1278
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 2: score in Vaton Rouge. They know how many people you

1279
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 2: know clowned him over the last year.

1280
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: I don't, I'm saying just as it relates to USC. Yeah,

1281
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: anything else this week that stands out to you game wise?

1282
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: Is there anything interesting the FAU has UCF. I think

1283
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,919
Speaker 1: UCF is probably going to blow them out they look pretty.

1284
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 2: I think that's a talent gap situation. That. Yeah, I

1285
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 2: just don't think fa you can overcome that. That that

1286
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 2: really I think we've covered just about everything that that

1287
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 2: should be interesting.

1288
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: Are you going anywhere?

1289
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 2: By the way, Well, I spent all of last week

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Speaker 2: in Troy and then went to Lincoln, so I was

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Speaker 2: gone for like eight days. So I am I am

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Speaker 2: home for this weekend. Good. I am excited because I

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Speaker 2: get to watch everything.

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Speaker 1: What was the single best thing you ate? Either in Troy,

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Speaker 1: Alabama or in Lincoln, Nebraska.

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Speaker 2: There's a burger place in Lincoln called Honest Abes and

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Speaker 2: they have a burger that has pickled apples and melted

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Speaker 2: Gouda on it. Whoa, Okay, it is so freaking good.

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Speaker 1: Is there like a salt factor that it feels very

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Speaker 1: sweet and rich?

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Speaker 2: Well it is, but but the burger's salty, so okay,

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Speaker 2: and there's bacon on it too. So apples apparently were

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01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 2: Abraham Lincoln's favorite food, and so they made a burger

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Speaker 2: with apples.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, interesting, Well, enjoy your week end at

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Speaker 1: home in front of a TV. Hopefully your TV is

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Speaker 1: large or you have multiple TVs.

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01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 2: I've got a sixty, so in the same room, No,

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Speaker 2: No one, the sixties. The sixties in the living room.

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Speaker 2: And that's as big as it can get just because

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Speaker 2: of that space. Okay, and there's just seventy in the.

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Speaker 1: Bedroom real quick, because we don't have ties soundboards, so

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Speaker 1: I can't instruct them to drop that big stanky Drummond Fife.

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Speaker 1: I have Colgate murderous over Lafayette. Do you have a pick?

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Speaker 2: All right? Are we We're going through the whole Patriot League.

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Speaker 1: We're going through the pat League. The most important guy.

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Speaker 2: I'll take a coldgate in this one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Lafayette. It might be a rebuilding year for the Leopard.

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01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: The les Central Connecticut traveling to New York's one true team,

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Speaker 1: Ralph Russo's Fordham Rams.

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01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 2: Give it, give me the Rams.

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Speaker 1: Gotta go Rams here. This is the week it turns around.

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01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: Dartmouth going to holy Cross. Do you have a lean

1324
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: based on your research?

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01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 2: Buddy Stevens all the way.

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Speaker 1: Fair Columbia at Georgetown.

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Speaker 2: I got a guy I played with who coaches at Columbia.

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Speaker 2: I'm going Columbia.

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Speaker 1: Do you know the name of I'm going Georgetown because

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Speaker 1: this game? Do you know the name of their it

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01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 1: might not be named this anymore. Was the name of

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Speaker 1: their stadium when we started this podcast Georgetown for a

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01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: long time, it might be called something like Simmons Field.

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01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: Now they their home stadium used to be called Multi

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Speaker 1: Sport Field. Nice, I find to be very endearing.

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Speaker 2: And did it have the lines for lacrosse?

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Speaker 1: It had lines for like seven different sports. There may

1338
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: have been a volleyball court. They bought it painted on

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01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: the court they were it was. It was a sport

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01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: court sponsorship that they really stretched to the limits. Lehi

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Speaker 1: Traveling two penn Give me the Quakers. I'm going Quakers

1342
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: as well. Bucknell yet to win a game, tie holds

1343
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: a grudge going to Villanova, who's been pretty good.

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01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, gimme and Italian and the Wildcats.

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01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: I'm going Nova as well. Andy Staples, thank you very

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01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: much for your time. Are you are you grilling? Are

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01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: you making anything this weekend? What's the food plan for salad?

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01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 2: No? I've been eating terribly, so I'm I'm probably eating

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01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 2: salads this week. I need I need to rain it in.

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Speaker 2: My My birthday is next week and uh okay, I'm

1351
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 2: told there's there's gonna be some sort of back in

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01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 2: all that includes barbecue, so I gotta I gotta prepare

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01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 2: for that.

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Speaker 1: Let's balance this out. What's on your go to salad?

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good question. Uh well, I'm gonna go

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Speaker 2: chicken and usually mozzarella. Okay, occasionally cheddar or the Mexican

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01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 2: the three cheese Mexican blend, but usually mozzarella. I like

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01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 2: some bacon bits, like cucumbers a lot, and I love

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01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 2: a good balsamic vinaigrette.

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Speaker 1: Great, so you'll have a giant salad that should fill

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Speaker 1: you up.

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01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 2: I'm also for a good caesar salad. But if I'm

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01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 2: eating salad to try to lose weight or or be healthy,

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01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 2: caesar dressing is probably not the best way to go.

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01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: And I assume you're preparing the bake. We're not using

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Speaker 1: turkey bacon. I even I don't like turkey bacon even I.

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Speaker 2: You know, here's the thing, I hate turkey. I hate

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Speaker 2: turkey burgers. There every time I go out with Bruce

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01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 2: Feldman to dinner, he orders a turkey burger and he

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01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:21,560
Speaker 2: expresses disappointment in turkey burger. I'm like, what did you expect?

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Speaker 2: It's a turkey burger. If you order a cow burger,

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Speaker 2: you will never be disappointed, but.

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Speaker 1: You have never said anything truer. I've went to a

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Speaker 1: restaurant in New York with Bruce. He ordered a turkey

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01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: burger and he ate it. He ate the whole thing

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01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 1: and said, this is the worst turkey burger I've ever had.

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Speaker 2: It's it's every time, every time, and he's done it. Now.

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01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of how old Bruce is and

1379
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 2: when turkey burgers came into fashion. I would be willing

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01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 2: to bet he has consumed a thousand turkey burgers in

1381
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 2: his life and he's been disappointed by every one of them.

1382
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 2: And he has not put two and two together yet

1383
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 2: that there's a better Listen. If you want to order turkey, great,

1384
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 2: order a club sandwich. Club sandwiches are delicious. See I'm

1385
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 2: not to grind it up and try to call it

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01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 2: a burger. It does not cook up right as a burger.

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01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not anti turkey. Like Gary Parrish, who covers

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01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 2: basketball for CBS, he is vehemently anti turkey, believes we'd

1389
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 2: never eat it if it weren't for Thanksgiving. I disagree.

1390
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 2: I love a good turkey sandwich.

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01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: But see I can I'm I like a turkey burger,

1392
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: but I have an asterisk to it one A regular

1393
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: burger is just better like that, unassailibly.

1394
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 2: The problem, the just unadorned cow burger with nothing on

1395
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 2: it is biologically designed to be more satisfying than a

1396
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 2: turkey burger. So you will never be as happy eating

1397
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 2: a turkey burger as you will be eating a cow burger.

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01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 2: And you can say it's for health and all that,

1399
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 2: but it's really not that big of a difference in

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01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 2: terms of saturated fat. If you're just because you're not

1401
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 2: supposed to eat a cow burger every day. It's a

1402
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 2: every once in a while kind of food. So if

1403
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 2: you're gonna eat a burger every once in a while,

1404
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 2: eat the right kind of burger. If you want to

1405
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 2: eat eat yourself. A club sandwich is delicious.

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01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: And if you're making see, I'll make turkey burgers, but

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01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 1: you have to make so much more. You have to

1408
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: grill onions, you have to slice some avocado, you have

1409
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: to make a burger sauce. You have to do more

1410
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: to a turkey I.

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01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 2: Want to make. If you want to make cow burgers,

1412
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 2: you can put salt and pepper and maybe a little

1413
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 2: worster sauce in there. But you don't have to. Nope,

1414
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 2: you don't put it on the grill. It will it

1415
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 2: will hit every taste bud perfectly. Whatever. Those you know

1416
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 2: dopamine receptors in your brain are doing that. They're perfectly

1417
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 2: happy with it. They love it. You won't. It's a disappointed.

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Speaker 1: This is a good time to mention. The show is

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01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: also brought to you by the Beef Counsole, the Beef

1420
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: Counsole and the Staples Approves. All right, that's all the time.

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01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 1: We have. Thank you to everybody for listening. Hopefully we

1422
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 1: have tie back here soon. But we don't have tie

1423
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,679
Speaker 1: we have the next best thing, which is Andy Staples

1424
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,719
Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated. And if you've already listened to a solid

1425
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: verbal episode and you're driving around in your car, where

1426
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,959
Speaker 1: should people tune their digital dials?

1427
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 2: You should go to Serius XM channel eighty four. I'm

1428
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 2: on everyday Monday through Friday one pm to four pm

1429
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 2: Eastern Time with Jason Horowitz, and it's a lot of

1430
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 2: fun and we do not take the sport seriously. We

1431
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 2: could know we are solid verbal listeners. We are verballers.

1432
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 2: That is how we learn to handle the audio portion

1433
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,919
Speaker 2: of college football. It will not be your typical screaming

1434
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 2: sports talk. That's not what we do. We have a

1435
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 2: lot more fun than that. So yeah, if you want to,

1436
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 2: it's mostly me making Jason feel very inadequate about the

1437
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 2: way he pronounces the word Clemson.

1438
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: What does he does?

1439
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 2: He not do the full P Clemison. You get in

1440
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 2: trouble if you do a P. That's what when South

1441
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 2: Caroline fans are making fun of Clemson fans.

1442
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 1: They over annunciate.

1443
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he did it once. He accidentally put the

1444
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 2: P in there once, and I and now, but but

1445
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 2: I'm so in his head about it now he can't

1446
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 2: he can't say it without kind of pausing for a

1447
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 2: second and waiting for me to pounce. So he just

1448
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 2: basically says Dabo sweening steam every time.

1449
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:26,560
Speaker 1: Now, Tye pronounced the word globe as globe, globe anything,

1450
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: because he was so in his own head, because we

1451
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 1: were doing a read for one of those meal services

1452
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: that send you food through the mail, and he was

1453
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 1: reading through.

1454
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,759
Speaker 2: It like talking about recipes from around the globe.

1455
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't even that bad. It wasn't that bad.

1456
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: That would have been. It was globe tomatoes, but he

1457
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 1: was so positive that it couldn't just be the word

1458
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 1: globe that he gave that e the globe treatment. So

1459
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: Jason's not their yet.

1460
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 2: Oh I listen live reads as killer who has only

1461
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 2: been doing them for a couple of years now.

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01:14:59,240 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1463
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 2: They can be tricky because the people who write your

1464
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 2: average live read they never read them, so you know

1465
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 2: you can go through and rewrite them. But half the

1466
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 2: time you're too busy trying to book guests and make

1467
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 2: sure your prep for the show that you don't really

1468
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 2: look at the read until about ten seconds before you

1469
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 2: actually start reading. So sometimes it sounds like you're not

1470
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 2: even speaking English perfect.

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01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: That is totally and completely the truth. Andy Stables, thank

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01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: you very much for your time, and if you are listening,

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01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: you probably know. You can follow us at solid verbal

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01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,719
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Speaker 1: comfortable shirt that Andy has in his rotation.

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Speaker 2: I love that shirt, by the way, I love it.

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Speaker 1: So if you want to look like Andy Staples and what.

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Speaker 2: He will hopefully get away but yells.

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Speaker 1: Solidverble dot com slash store for a limited time. It's

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Speaker 1: still going to be up there. We're going to be

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Speaker 1: adding more there as well. In the meantime, stay solid,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. Peace