WEBVTT - Zac Blair 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:03.800 So we're back for another episode of the Frida Egg Podcast, 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:07.680 and this week we're really excited to have PGA Tour 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:13.880 player and golf course architecture fanatic Zach Blair on the podcast. 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:16.000 Zach is heading into his. 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:20.880 Third year on the PGA Tour and he is also 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.880 you know, has aspirations of building his own golf course, 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:27.520 which is going to happen called the Buck Club. So 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:30.680 he you know, kind of fits perfectly with what the 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:36.200 Frida Egg's all about, PGA Tour talk and architecture. So, Zach, 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:37.159 thanks for coming on. 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:39.800 Yeah, no problem, thanks for having me. 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:44.360 So, you know, with the with the na lull here, 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:47.919 with the PGA Tour season kind of you know, in 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:50.680 the silly season, what are you doing these days to 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:51.680 keep yourself busy? 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.920 I mean, honestly right now, just kind of taking care 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:02.000 of regular stuff in life, you know, getting ready for 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:05.320 the holidays, shopping a little bit and just kind of 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:09.240 hanging out with family and friends, but getting ready to 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:11.240 get it back going. So excited about that. 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.479 Cool. So what's the what's the golf season like in 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:21.039 Utah these days in November and December kind of non existent? 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.959 I mean, you know, up until two or three weeks ago, it. 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.720 Was actually pretty nice. I mean it was around sixty degrees, 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:32.520 which is I think pretty seasonably warm for around here. 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:36.880 But it's snowing now, so not too much golf here 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.319 at the moment. But that's kind of nice to be 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:41.520 able to get a break from it. 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:45.000 As they do, you kind of try and stay sharp 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:48.120 with a winter. Do they have like winter facilities or 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:48.760 anything there. 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.480 Yeah, we just live right down the road from BYU, 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.200 so you know, when I want to go practice, I 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.040 kind of just hop in there at the indoor practice 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.520 facility with the golf team out there bringing me on. 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.240 So that's pretty nice to have when I need it. 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:08.880 Yeah, Yeah, it's it's nice that you're right by old 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:13.880 stomping grounds, so exactly love to hear a little bit about, 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:18.000 you know, your story about how you got into golf. 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:21.280 I know, you know, your father had a big influence 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:25.880 into that, and you know, going from college, you're one 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:29.600 of the you know, rare guys that earned a PGA 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:31.720 Tour card in less than a year. So I'd love 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:34.840 to hear a little bit about your journey to the 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.280 PGA Tour and how you got started in golf. 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:40.960 Yeah, I mean like you said, my dad was a 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.840 big influence in my in my life and in you know, golfing. 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.600 With with everything going on, I kind of just followed 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:52.040 him around. He let me kind of caddy and stuff 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:56.840 like that, and you know Section Utah section events or 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.000 state opens and stuff. So I just kind of followed 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.560 him around and just you know, like a lot of 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:04.640 kids do, just tried to copy their dad. 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.320 And so it worked. 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.080 Out and kind of took a liking to it. Maybe, 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:13.760 you know, sometime in junior high or close to high 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.800 school is when I really, you know, thought about doing 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.640 it seriously. I mean I'd been around it my whole life, 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:22.840 so I thought I might as well not give it 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:27.760 a try. And yeah, so it worked out. I went 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:29.840 to BYU, and like you said, I was able to 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:35.440 graduate and get my tour card that year following graduation, 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.760 which was always nice. But I kind of took a 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:40.360 different route than a lot of people. 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:45.280 I turned pro after a Q School. 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.840 Actually I went to Q School as an amateur and 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.520 made it to finals, but kind of had a you know, 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:53.680 an average tournament. I think I finished somewhere in the 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.200 middle of the pack, around seventieth or something like that. 0:03:56.320 --> 0:04:00.280 So I was actually just gonna stay amateur and other 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.920 year until I saw some of the people that finished, 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.360 you know, where I finished at Q School were getting 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:11.680 starts on the PGA Tour Latin America with how they'd 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.760 finished at Q School, with their status. 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:15.360 Uh. 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:19.960 So I told my dad, you know, I asked him 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:21.760 if he thought that would be a good idea, and 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.360 you know, he basically just told me, yeah, you can 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:25.880 do what you want, but you got to make sure 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:27.960 you graduate. So I had to. I had to go 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.680 down and play on the PJA Tour Latin America and 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:34.160 graduate at the same time, which was, uh it was 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.039 a little difficult, but I was able to make it 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:41.359 work and basically I played pretty good down there for 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:43.880 half the season. They take a break in the middle 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.240 of the summer, so that was opened it up for 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:47.839 me to be able to go play in. 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:49.440 A couple of web dot com events. 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.200 I was able to get a sponsor's exemption into Utah, 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:56.080 and I was able to get into the Nova Scotia 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.040 Web dot Com Tour event because I think there was 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.400 like a hurricane or something that was supposed to hit 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:05.080 up there, so a bunch of people withdrew and since 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:08.159 I had conditional status. I was able to reshuffle in 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.480 and kind of play the last half of the Web 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.400 dot Com Tour season and was able to get into the. 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:14.799 Finals and get my card. 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:16.240 So it all worked out. 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:17.160 It was pretty awesome. 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.919 Yeah, that's it, And it's a kind of a cool story. 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:23.839 It's a unique one in the sense that you know, 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:28.080 you stayed amateur for a while, and you know you did. 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.839 It's it's so many guys come up with the conditional 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:35.839 status with Q school this week, I'd love to hear 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.599 a little bit about, you know, your experience going through 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:44.040 it and kind of just the pressure of each stage 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.680 and kind of what it's like and and obviously you 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:49.560 were an amateur, so you were in a little bit 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:51.880 different boat. But I'd love to hear a little bit about. 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:53.320 It, you know, Q School. 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:58.360 Yeah, so for me, I had to go through every stage. 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.680 I had to go pre qualifying, first, second, and finals. 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:06.440 So man, it was it was an exciting ride. I 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.440 you know, I played pretty well at pre qualifying. I 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:15.599 remember kind of made it through that fairly easy. And 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.120 then first stage and I got off to i mean 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:22.000 just a horrendous start. I think I shot forty one 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:25.320 or forty two. On my opening nine, I was just 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:29.080 just like basically shot myself in the foot coming out 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:30.800 of the gates. But I was able to kind of 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:35.440 rein it in and have a last you know, I 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.200 had a great back nine, i think on the final 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.120 day to end up making it on the number. 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:41.920 So that was nice to get through there. 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.120 And then second stage again I kind of you know, 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:49.960 played pretty well and got through, you know, pretty easily, 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:55.600 and then final stage, I don't really know, I. 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:57.599 Just played very average. 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.880 Obviously, there's a lot of good players, and you know, 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.880 I didn't have my best stuff that week, and I 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:09.640 finished like seventy, you know, mid seventieth, you know, middle 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.800 of the pack. But I do remember I birdied my 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:17.560 last three holes the final day to finish where I finished, 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.240 And I mean that was I mean, if you look 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.960 back on it, that was you know, that was everything, 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:27.000 because that was what made me able to get into 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:30.040 those PJ Toy Latin America events, and it was what 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:33.240 helped me get into those, you know, that event in 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.760 Nova Scotia on my number and a bunch of other stuff, 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.680 and so I mean it's just kind of goes to 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.320 show that every shot kind of counts and I mean, 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:44.840 you know, it could all be different if I kind 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:45.760 of just threw in the towel. 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.600 Yeah, I mean, I think that the Q School is. 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.680 One of the most undercovered events in all of golf. 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:57.360 It's you know, it's kind of fascinating. You know, you 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:02.400 see these guys that were coll phenoms. I mean that 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:06.600 are you know, fighting for their livelihoods and yeah, are 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:11.600 on the on the brink of hanging up the clubs, 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.480 and you know, just seeing these guys under the you know, 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.480 ultimate pressure it is is kind. 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:18.480 Of it's crazy. 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.720 It should should definitely get more coverage. 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:24.680 Yeah, I think I think, you know, like you said, 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.920 it's definitely doesn't get the attention it deserves. I think 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.640 a little bit has been taken away from it now 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.480 that you don't get right out on the PGA Tour, 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.360 So I think they kind of overlook it even more now. 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.240 But I mean it's a really cool event. I know 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.360 they changed it to four rounds, you know, a couple 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:45.000 of years ago, but I mean those are those are 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.600 some of the biggest rounds these guys will ever play. 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.360 So it's it's pretty good, you know, it's pretty fun 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.360 to watch. I got a lot of friends, but do 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.600 it every year, so you know, good luck to all 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.000 of them. Hopefully they play well. 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:00.000 Yeah, that's I got a buddy that's in a whole 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.360 and they you can lock down full status. It's uh, 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:07.200 you know, conditional. It's tough, too tough when you don't 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:08.160 know when you're getting. 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:08.560 Your next start. 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:14.560 You were exactly lucky to get through and uh and 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:18.520 uh you know, get into that reshuffle. So you know, 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:20.440 with the with twenty seventeen and. 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:21.760 Kind of the break. 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:26.880 Curious how you go about building your tournament schedule for 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:27.920 the year. 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:29.720 Do you like to block it out where you have 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:30.320 a couple of. 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:33.600 Weeks on the road and then some weeks off. Do 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.280 you pick certain courses? Do you look at, you know, 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.280 your past performance. Love to hear a little bit about 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:41.319 how your how you build your schedule. 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:44.480 I mean kind of all of those things that you said, 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.680 I try and do. But you know, everybody that knows 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:48.520 me knows that I. 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:50.320 Play a lot. 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:54.160 So uh, you know, I go into the first two 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.360 years I got out here, I kind of said, I 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.040 want to play as much as I can, kind of 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:01.000 see what courses I like, what course I play well at, 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.720 and you know, then start building a schedule from there 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:08.160 and then so this year I kind of went into it, 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.840 you know, the same way, thinking that I wasn't going to. 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:13.840 Play as much. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.920 But I mean, I just love to play golf, So 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:18.720 it's kind of hard for me to say I want 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.120 to take this week off or that week off. But 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.880 we'll see. I mean, this year, I kind of have 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.600 the plan to you know, not play more than four 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:32.000 in a row and you know, be able to get 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:36.200 my rest, and I, like you said, I like to 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.880 see kind of my past performances and see how I've 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:42.920 played at certain places or see what courses set up 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.679 well for me. Obviously, I like any course that's a 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.680 part seventy, you know, not as many par fives and 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:54.240 stuff like that, but all the courses under the right 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:55.760 conditions I feel like I can. 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:56.400 Play well at. 0:10:57.679 --> 0:10:59.920 So I'm just excited to kind of get back out 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:00.800 there and get playing. 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:06.160 Any new staffs that you're kind of looking forward to that, 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.120 you know, maybe new courses on the on the schedule. 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:14.200 I don't know if they're the only new course that 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:18.800 I can think of. Is that I think Tiger or 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:24.200 the what event is that it's usually a congressional. 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:26.240 Yeah, I think the TPC. 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.440 Yeah, the Click and Loans. I think might be at 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:33.560 TPC Potomac this year, which that's my wife's hometown, so 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.480 that should be fun to go out there and play that. 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:42.240 Uh were but well, I don't know if there's anyone right, 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:45.120 Oh yeah, yeah, wells Fargo at Eagle Point. Yeah, I've 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:48.240 heard a lot of good things about that place, so yeah, 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.520 definitely looking forward to that. Qul Halla is always a 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.200 sweet spot, so hopefully you know, I can make the 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:58.360 PGA there again. And but yeah, yeah, definitely looking forward 0:11:58.400 --> 0:11:59.960 to those two stops this year. 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:02.760 Yeah, what are what are your favorite some of your 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:06.560 favorite spots in general, whether it be golf course or 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.359 town or you know, combinations. 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:17.440 Man, they're all pretty good. But uh, definitely Nearfield. 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.760 You know, Jack tournament is pretty unbelievable. 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:23.760 The golf course is always set up awesome, and uh, 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:24.120 you know. 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.839 The town's great. 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.720 You know, there's some good places for food. 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.199 Uh, you know, every week. 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.920 It seems like, but I mean, man, there's not too 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:37.760 many bad weeks out there. Every week kind of you know, 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:41.560 does the right thing to hopefully try and different differentiate 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.319 themselves and try and get good fields. So I mean 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.360 we get taken care of pretty good, and we play 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.440 a lot of good golf courses, so it's tough to pick. 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:53.880 So what's your take on the new format for the Zurich. 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:57.920 Yeah, yeah, I think that should be really cool looking 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:02.680 forward to that for sure. Played Zurich last year. We 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.199 had some stuff going on and kind of worked out 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.160 in our favor. I guess the weather down there was 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:10.880 you know, a nightmare, So looking forward to getting back 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:12.800 down there. You know, they got some good food down there. 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.640 The golf course is cool, and that'll be a good format, 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.000 is you know. I wish we could play stuff like 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:18.839 that a couple. 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:20.840 More times a year, but we'll see how it goes 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:21.280 this year. 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.679 What you know, you hit it in the you know, 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.840 kind of nail on ahead with it, playing more different stuff. 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.480 What other types of formats would you like to see 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.680 beyond just the partner best ball or alternative shot? Is 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:36.880 there any other types of formats you'd like to see 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:37.200 more of? 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:43.400 I mean, I think I would love to see match play, 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.000 you know, in in an event other than that World 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:49.560 Golf Championship. I think that would be really cool. The 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:53.280 Stableford format is is really neat, I think as well, 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.640 so I think that's another one that I think should 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:59.280 be maybe utilized one time in the fall and then 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.520 you know, the in Reno and then like I said, 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:06.560 I think if we played Stableford twice a year, the 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:11.400 Best Ball tournament twice a year, and match play twice 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:13.760 a year, I think, you know, it would be a lot. 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:15.400 It would be a lot of fun and kind of 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.240 spice things up, you know, instead of just playing stroke 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.200 play every week. Because like as you know, you know, 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:24.240 golf was you know, built on more than just playing 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.080 stroke play, and you know a lot of those you know, 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.920 people that grow up you know in England and Europe 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:31.240 play match play a lot. 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:32.760 So I think it's a it's. 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:36.080 Definitely a different format and fun. So I think if 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.080 we could do that more, it'd be it'd be awesome. 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.640 Yeah, I think it's it's just more relatable to the 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:46.120 everyday golfer also because you know, your your weekend warrior 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:47.800 very rarely just goes. 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.720 Out and plays you know, stroke play. 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.320 When he plays with his foursome, it's usually some sort 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:53.800 of team format. 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.360 Or match yeah, you know, yeah for sure. 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:58.800 So I think it brings a little bit more fan 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:00.640 appeal into it as well. 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.440 So I have to, you know, ask. 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:08.400 About you know, the golf world buzzing about Tiger Woods's return. 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.160 Did you watch much of it? And if so, what 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:11.840 what do you think? 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.160 Yeah, I mean I was able to watch a little 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.400 bit of it. We were I was playing this little 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:22.160 member member guest tournament back in Sea Island, so we 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:23.840 were kind of playing while they were playing. 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.200 But you know, I saw some highlights and stuff like that. 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.040 And I mean, everybody that knows me knows how much 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.280 I like Tiger, So it was obviously nice to see 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:36.800 him back playing. And I mean he played, he played well. 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:38.680 You know, you could just tell he was just a 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:42.720 little rusty, you know, not in tournament form, and uh, 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.600 you know, it was pretty evident that he probably just 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:49.680 doesn't have the stamina right now. In his first week 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.560 back to kind of you know, play all the practice 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.960 rounds in the pro ams and all the tournament rounds. 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.400 You know, it's kind of a you know, it's probably 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.320 a pretty stressful week for him. But it was cool 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.760 to see him make birdies and you know, make that 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.680 run that second day. And it was nice to see 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.600 him back because golf definitely needs him. 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.160 Yeah, I mean, first event back, and you're also the 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:12.080 host has. 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:12.520 To be just. 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:15.600 Yeah, for sure. 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.200 You know, it was a I couldn't imagine doing that, 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:21.200 so so it was good to see him back. 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:22.080 Yeah. 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:26.000 Yeah, I think I think the birdies are telling statistic 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:30.800 with anybody for sure. If it's not like he was 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:32.720 making a ton of long putts, he was hitting the 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.800 ball close and that, yeah, a lot, and you know, 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.640 you eliminate a lot of the mistakes and all of 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:39.320 a sudden he's. 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:40.160 Up in the top five. 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:42.400 Yeah, exactly, exactly. 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:47.560 So you know, kind of what are your goals now 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.040 going in You know, I guess you were in the 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.720 middle of your third season now, but you know, going 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:54.960 into twenty seventeen, do you get do you have any 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.600 kind of cemented goals for the upcoming season? 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.600 Yeah, I mean some of them would just be you know, 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.800 you obviously want to keep your card and make the playoffs. 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:09.879 I would love to qualify for two or three of 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:13.919 the majors this year, and you know, the ultimate goals 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:17.320 to win out here. So those are kind of three 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.000 to one three goals that are at the top of 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.800 my list and hopefully I can get those done this year. 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:24.240 Yeah. 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.640 Yeah, it's uh, you know, win, Win's a great thing. 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:31.560 You know, it's amazing how many kind of doors it 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.240 opens up, whether it be getting into the Masters, the 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:38.359 two year exemption, I mean, it's a that is the uh, 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.000 the ultimate prize. 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:43.000 Yeah, it is pretty good. 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:44.000 Yeah. 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:46.640 So let's move on kind of. 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:51.600 Towards at golf course architecture and golf courses, and let's. 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:53.879 Start with the. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.920 One project that's near and dear to. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:57.200 Your heart, the Buff Club. 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:01.840 And I wrote You've met up this summer, and I 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.840 wrote something just a little bit about the inspiration behind it, 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.680 but for people that didn't read it, I think it'd 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.239 be great to just kind of tell the story of, 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.240 you know, the Buck Club and where you're at with it, 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:15.240 and and. 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:16.920 We'll kind of go from there. 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:19.080 Yeah. 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.560 I mean, the whole idea about the Buck Club is 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:26.639 just to kind of have a really good, old school, 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:33.320 you know, Golden Age architecture type golf course in Utah 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:37.199 with that, you know, that vibe or that feel that 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:42.040 everybody likes when they go to their favorite courses. I 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:46.600 just think Utah has a really big golfing fan base 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:48.960 or whatever you would call it. There's a lot of 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.240 good golfers here, a lot of people that love golf, 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:57.119 and I just think we're missing a really truly great 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.240 golf course in Utah. We have a lot of good 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:03.960 golf courses, but I don't think there's a golf course 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:07.959 in Utah that people from you know, back East or 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:12.400 California would make their way to Utah specifically to play 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:16.000 that golf course. So, you know, basically just trying to 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:20.920 put together this whole project and get a nice national 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:24.680 membership of you know, good guys that love golf and 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:30.640 appreciate good golf courses, and I just think it would 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:31.640 be something cool to have. 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:34.240 Yeah, yeah, for sure. 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:39.160 It's I think the you know, Denver has some good 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.840 Golden Age architecture, but for the most part, if you 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:50.600 look at kind of from really Kansas West, it's kind 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.160 of like a dead spot where it got passed over 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:56.760 in the in the twenties when most of those courses 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:59.879 were being built and all the courses got built in 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:01.280 kind of the dark ages. 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:11.160 Yeah, yeah, we got plenty of those here, So. 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.480 There's a lot of I mean, I think that Arizona 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:16.320 is another example of that. They have some really good 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:20.040 courses there, but they also have some very very bad ones. 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:23.520 Yeah, it happens. That's for sure. 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.000 Yeah, but in terms of kind of where you're at 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:32.760 with the project, you know, and in terms of influences architecturally, 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.160 why don't you kind of share that. 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:39.239 Yeah. I mean again, anybody that knows me knows how 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:41.920 big of a fan of Seth Rayner and Seephe McDonald 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:47.160 I am. So those are two, you know, huge influences. 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.760 But I mean anybody from the Golden Age, whether it's 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:59.520 you know, Ah, you know, Perry Maxwell, Donald Ross, Alistair mackenzie, 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:04.600 you know Cold Allison, any any of those guys. I mean, 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:07.840 George Crump. You know, he did one course and he 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:10.000 did it right and it's still the you know, number 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:12.280 one course in the world. So any anybody that was 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.639 associated with that timeline that built those golf courses that 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:18.440 we all know about that are so great. I mean 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:23.080 I've pulled things from you know, every one of their 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:26.040 golf courses, you know, the great aspects of each of them, 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:29.720 and tried to put it into one golf course without 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:34.480 it being cheesy or you know one of those courses 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:38.840 that's trying to uh emulate a different poll or something 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:40.920 like that from other golf courses. I've just tried to 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:44.639 take the best things that each course can offer and 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:47.679 just kind of change them in my own way to 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:48.359 make it great. 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.640 Yeah. That's uh, that's cool. I mean I think that's 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:55.480 the way to go. And I think another thing that 0:21:55.560 --> 0:22:00.119 we've talked about is, you know, restoring these courses to 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:04.840 the original shot, you know value. 0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:08.360 So yeah, for sure that you know, you've. 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:10.960 Got ridans where people have to hit long irons into. 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:12.080 Yeah, exactly. 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:14.840 Nowadays you play a lot of these places and it's 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:17.520 amid to short iron in and you know that kind 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:18.919 of defeats the purpose of it. 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:23.359 A perfect example of that was I played Piping Rock 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:25.320 this year and there was a new back tee on 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:29.320 their beer. It's green, and I can't remember how long 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:30.719 it was, but I want to say it was like, 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:32.679 you know, it was to a back pin and it 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:36.080 was around like two sixty or two sixty five or 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:38.040 two seventy or something like that, And I mean I 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:40.320 keed up a driver low and just hit you know, 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:42.560 a low chaser that kind of landed on the front 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:45.360 part and rolled down the little swale and came back up. 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:47.880 And I just thought like, how cool was that? Because 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:50.280 I mean that was how they intended that hole to 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:53.000 be played. With a long you know, a long shot 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:56.960 end like a driver or a fairway would. So I mean, 0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:58.520 like you said, you kind of hit the nail on 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:03.760 the head. I definitely want my course to play to 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:06.720 the shop values that they were originally intended. You know, 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:09.160 you want long irons into a dand and you want 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:12.919 you know, you want short irons into short greens, you know, 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:17.239 stuff like that. So that's definitely another key point that 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:20.520 I'll try to make happen at my course. And you know, 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:22.919 if I can do those things, I think it'll be 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:23.520 pretty great. 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:29.720 Yeah, So how do you get into architecture in the 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:33.560 in the first part with you know, just growing up? Obviously, 0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:35.920 you know a lot of golfers. 0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:36.520 Aren't into it. 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:38.760 I think it's growing, but I'd love to hear how 0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:42.120 you you know, got such a love of architecture at 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:43.800 such an early age. 0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:50.040 Again, my dad, you know, he was a club pro 0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:53.840 and he ran a couple of you know, just like 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:59.159 regulation nine golf golf courses and he designed them and 0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:04.000 everything like that. They're called Mulligan's golfing Games in Utah, 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:06.760 and they were, you know, they were just little nine 0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:10.479 hole courses. But he did he did all the design 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:12.439 work and stuff like that. So I mean I just 0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:15.960 grew up watching him, you know, doing all these drawings 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:19.239 and all these sketches. And then later on, you know, 0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:22.439 you know, a few years back he got involved in 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:25.879 redoing a couple of courses down in southern Utah, and 0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:28.679 so again I just kind of, you know, would always 0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:31.840 see him doing his sketches and you know, having his 0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:35.120 routings and all his maps and stuff like that. And 0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:38.480 like I said earlier, I just kind of always wanted 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:41.040 a copy and be like my dad. So, uh, it 0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:43.359 kind of came pretty easy me just kind of sitting 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:46.280 next to him drawing golf holes. And you know, as 0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:48.919 you grow older, the interest got a little bigger and 0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:51.960 did a little more research and studied a little more, 0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:54.720 and you know, got to where I am today. 0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:56.080 Cool. 0:24:57.280 --> 0:25:00.879 You know, I know you are a big reader in architecture, 0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:03.600 So you know what we're what are some of your 0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:08.080 favorite architecture books? And you know what's next on your 0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:11.200 list of things to read that you haven't gotten to yet. 0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:17.760 Oh, I'm not sure there's so many of them. I've 0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:19.840 gotten a lot of books over the last couple of years. 0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:27.320 The evangelical golfer, Uh, that is a really cool book, 0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:30.040 you know, if you like CB McDonald and Seth Rayner 0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:34.320 talks about all their courses and and stuff like that. Man, 0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:35.879 I wish I had I wish I was in my 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:39.240 little library right now so I could read off some 0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:45.440 other ones. But uh, I don't know. I can't really 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:49.080 name too many that I like Live and Die by 0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:50.439 besides that book. 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:52.920 I love that book, Yeah, that one. 0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:55.120 But you know where, you know where I read a lot. 0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:57.520 I just read a lot of stuff online though, too, 0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:01.879 just uh, just random stuff about golf courses. You know, 0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:05.440 I'll hear about a golf course and find it online 0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:07.440 and kind of re read up on it, and then 0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:11.000 you know, just I'd like to talk to my dad, 0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:14.199 and I'd like to talk to other architects just about it, 0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:16.480 kind of see what they have to say. So it's 0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:19.359 just kind of a combination of a lot of different 0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:22.040 sources where I like to learn from. 0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:27.000 I think obviously the best, the best way to study 0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:30.720 architecture is being great architecture and action. 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:32.840 At the Teah courses. 0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:35.360 So, you know, what were some. 0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:37.600 Of your favorite courses that. 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:38.720 You saw this year? 0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:41.760 And like the other question, you know, do you have 0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:45.440 any ones that you're really excited about it lined up 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:48.879 for twenty seventeen, or places that are on the you 0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:51.200 know must see list. 0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:55.720 For me this year, I was able to get to 0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:58.640 a lot of a lot of good spots, So I'm 0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:03.280 sorry if I miss any that offends somebody, but I 0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:05.840 was able to go a couple of them that were 0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:14.480 really awesome to me. Chicago Golf Club and Fisher's Island 0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:20.200 Yale was really cool. Those are all C. P. McDonald's 0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:23.200 and Seth Rainer spots, so again, you know, you can 0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:27.120 see how much I love those guys. But uh man, 0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:33.760 where else where else did I play? I went to 0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:39.040 so many places that I forget, but I mean I 0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:43.840 really loved Chicago Golf Club like a lot. 0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:44.320 It was. 0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:46.480 It was a really cool day and to see that 0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:52.400 place it was pretty special. But some places I'm excited 0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:56.240 for this upcoming year. I don't usually like set anything 0:27:56.400 --> 0:28:00.199 up until kind of like that week before I'm gonna go, 0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:04.600 But you know, I really want to see Short Acres. 0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:07.480 I've heard that's a good spot, and I really want 0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:11.119 to see Marion. Never been out there, and a couple 0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:13.640 of my friends. You know, tell me, it's a tell 0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:15.960 me it's a must see, so I really need to 0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:18.640 get out there. And obviously, you know, like if Gusta 0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:23.320 that would be a nice one to go see. I 0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:26.280 really have always wanted to see Jaman's Hall, another step 0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:33.440 Rainer Country Club of Charleston, and then I mean there's 0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:35.800 too many to name. Honestly, I really want to see 0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:39.840 Myopia Hunt up up near Boston. That's kind of one 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:43.800 that I've just like wanted to go to so bad. 0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:47.080 I wasn't able to make it to the Deutsche Bank 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.760 this year, so I was pretty bummed because I was 0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:53.520 going to go and check that out. But uh, I 0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:56.600 mean every week somewhere where you go has a great spot, 0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:59.880 so I always like to go and check those out, 0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.480 see what what each place has got going on. So 0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:05.040 I'm sure I'll find some some good horns this year. 0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:10.760 Yeah, as short Akers is my favorite golf course I've played, 0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:13.600 so I think that'll be a treat for you. 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:16.640 And then yeah, I've heard it's good. 0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:19.960 Yeah, And then you know, Blue Mound is a really 0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:23.240 cool rainer in Milwaukee that if you're there you should 0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:28.040 check out. You know, very average land to say the least, 0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:33.200 you know, pretty pretty dismal property, but the green complexes 0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:36.160 are so good that it makes it just such a 0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:40.360 fantastic golf course and you know, ultimate template hole golf course. 0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:41.360 Yeah. 0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:45.800 Yeah, I was able to play there during the US 0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:48.480 Am Aaron Hills, that was the secondary course, So that 0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:53.000 was really cool. That was honestly one of the first 0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:57.280 rainer courses I had played. So, I mean that was 0:29:57.360 --> 0:29:59.960 kind of one of those aha moments where I was like, Wow, 0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.760 this stuff is like really cool. I need to I 0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.320 need to kind of read up and see what these 0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:08.160 guys were thinking and you know why they did this stuff. 0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:11.480 So that was That's a pretty special course to me. 0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:13.000 So I definitely like that spot. 0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:17.280 Yeah, it's I think it's a testament of somebody said to. 0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:19.000 Me one time. He's that. 0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:22.440 They said, have you ever played a golfle, a great 0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:24.440 golfle that didn't have a great green? 0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:33.480 Yeah? Probably not for me. I'm I'm big into green complexes, 0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:36.240 and Seth Rayner's by far my favorite. 0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:37.160 Yeah. 0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:42.320 I think he did a really good job of giving 0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:47.400 you a lot of pinnable surfaces and I just don't 0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:50.960 I mean, for me, at least, you play a lot 0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:54.400 of his golf courses and you get a lot of 0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:58.160 putts from long distance that you feel like you can make. 0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:03.400 I just think he made the golf. He just made 0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:08.120 golf really fun. In my opinion, it wasn't crazy hard. 0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:11.400 You see some of these architects now, they make the 0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:16.640 green complexes so hard and so challenging, which I understand 0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:19.760 is some courses, you know, if they want to host 0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:22.240 a major championship or they want to host a PGA 0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:27.200 Tour event. You know, the architects aren't in charge of 0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:30.520 exactly what they want to do all the time. You know, 0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:34.040 there's other people that influence them and tell them this 0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:36.240 is what they want. So, I mean, they're getting paid 0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:38.920 and they have to do, you know, what they're being told, 0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:41.480 so they're not, you know, in charge of that all 0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:44.800 the time. But for the majority of the time, I 0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:50.400 just think the green complexes from today's architects are pretty bad. 0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:53.400 If you like Seth Rainer. 0:31:54.520 --> 0:32:00.400 Yeah, it's they They definitely go to extremes and for 0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:06.160 sure where they kind of try and defend par for. 0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:08.080 The yeah, which I think is stupid. 0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:10.040 You know. 0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:14.800 I think the same thing is is that like they 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:16.800 try and defend par that you know, I. 0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:19.680 Really believe in the width that they have you know, 0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:23.280 started to do. But yeah, times the greens get so 0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:28.000 wacky where you know, if you haven't played the golf 0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:29.880 course like fifteen times. 0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:33.360 You you don't understand where you're supposed to hit him. 0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:34.360 And that's also. 0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:38.880 Yeah, it's fair, Yeah exactly. I just I just got 0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:42.920 I was playing Frederica last week. It's a I want 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:46.440 to say if Fazzio of course and uh in Georgia 0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:50.000 and Sea Island and one of I mean on my 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.360 first hole, I've never played the golf course before. In 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:55.680 the first the tenth hole, the pin was back left, 0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:57.480 and my caddy was just like, yeah, I mean, you 0:32:57.480 --> 0:32:59.040 don't want to go in the water left, You just 0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:01.239 kind of want to keep it in the green. And 0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:04.360 it's this huge putting, you know, surface, and I hit 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:05.880 it right in the middle of the green and there's 0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:09.640 this huge hump like a ten. I don't even know 0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:11.280 how big, but it was like it was to the 0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:14.080 point where I had like a fifteen foot pott and 0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:17.040 I couldn't even keep this thing within eight feet of 0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:19.160 the hole. No matter how good of a putt you hit, 0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:21.840 unless you made it, it was going eight feet away. 0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:25.120 And I just, you know, for the most part. I 0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:27.760 mean there's exceptions, but for the most part, at a 0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:32.400 seth Rainer course, you know, most of the time you 0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:34.080 get on the green and you feel like you have 0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:36.440 a pretty good chance to make a pot, which is 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:39.560 which is a lot more fun, I think, Yeah. 0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:42.480 And I think one of the things that Rainer, from 0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:46.560 my experience, was so good at was creating like small 0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:50.560 subtle piece and you know, you hit what you think 0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:53.800 is a perfect putt and it might not move exactly 0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:56.160 the way you thought it did, and it and it 0:33:56.440 --> 0:33:59.920 just you know, it drives you bonkers. But it's like 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:03.240 these little tiny breaks that are almost harder to read 0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:06.240 than you know, seeing yeah, weeping break is easy to 0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:08.919 read that putt, whereas you know you have a ten 0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:11.759 footer and you're trying to decide, you know, is this 0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:15.160 a you know, half ball out versus you know inside 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:18.920 the hole. That's almost a harder putt sometimes. 0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:21.120 Yeah, And I think, I mean, I almost think some 0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:24.000 of that stuff it just goes it goes to kind 0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:27.080 of what I was saying. He gave you so much 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:31.040 flat putting surface that you know, originally that putt that 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:33.279 you're talking about might have been a straight putt, you know, 0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:36.080 the year of the course open, but over time and 0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:38.359 that you know, his ground settles and stuff like that, 0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:41.839 those little subtle teas where the greens were flat, they 0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:45.040 get those subtle little breaks, you know, And like you said, 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:47.080 you know that stuff can drive you crazy when you 0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:49.440 got a ten footer that you think is you know, 0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:53.319 dead straight, and it just kind of can wiggle either way. So, 0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:59.040 I mean, I love I love flat putting surfaces, you know, 0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:01.880 generally flat. Yeah, I like a little slope on him. 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:04.640 You know. Some of the stuff that I see today, 0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:08.840 I just I can't stand, especially when I read that 0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:12.200 some of these guys, you know, they're they're idols, you 0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:15.040 know in the architecture world. Where were some of the 0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:16.520 guys that we've been talking about. 0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:22.000 Yeah, it's isn't it's interesting, It's it's. 0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:25.920 They they've it's clearly that they. 0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:29.560 That the ideas with and then defense of the green 0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:32.360 is kind of the that's bad right now? 0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:34.600 Yeah, for sure. 0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:39.080 So we got a lot of Twitter questions, So I 0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:40.719 I want to jump in. 0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:43.120 Here and uh, you know, some of these. 0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:45.200 Will be quick ones and some of these will be 0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:48.760 a little bit longer, so you know, we'll we'll jump 0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:52.400 in and the first ones from uh Kyle Nathan and 0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:56.240 he's he's asking this question for a friend. It's sounds 0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:59.400 like there's some money on the line here. If Tiger 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:02.440 plays fifteen events this year, how many cuts. 0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:02.719 Will you make? 0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:08.320 I mean, if he plays fifteen events, he'll make fourteen 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:09.200 or fifteen cuts. 0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:16.920 I think, all right, that's it. I think I'm I 0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:21.359 think I'm in the thirteen to fifteen. Yeah, I mean yeah, 0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:25.400 his made cut streak is what I think is his 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:29.480 most impressed I don't know whether what do you you're 0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:32.160 look say, what do you think is his most impressive feet? 0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:35.640 Is it the amateur you know, three straight juniors, three 0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:40.120 straight usns, the mad cut streak, the you know wins? 0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:42.640 You know what what stands out to you? 0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:44.800 Is it most impressive feet? 0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:49.040 I mean, all of them are pretty unbelievable. And I 0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:52.480 think all of you know, his seventy nine or eighty wins, 0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:55.279 whatever he has, and his majors and his you know, 0:36:55.600 --> 0:37:00.239 amateur USGA titles and his made cut streak, all those 0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:04.439 things will never be like even sniffed again, I don't 0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:07.520 think so. They're all unbelievable. I don't think I could 0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:10.640 pick one, but the mad cut streak is unbelievable. I mean, 0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:13.480 the guy, when he's healthy, he knows he has the 0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:16.799 knacks to make the cut and get into contention. Like, 0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:19.800 you know, he's that good, he's that special of a player. 0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:23.120 So if he's healthy, he's not he's not gonna be 0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:25.000 missing cuts. Let's just put it that way. 0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:30.200 Yeah. Good, It's crazy to think that, Like during that streak, 0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:35.520 his worst weeks, we're like twenty Yeah. 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:41.160 Yeah, I mean, he's just, it's crazy, better than everybody else. 0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:45.719 But you know, now he's when he's playing his best 0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:49.040 and he's healthy, I still think he's just as good, 0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:51.879 if not better than everybody you know, of those top 0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:55.360 echelon players. So yeah, he'll he'll make he'll make a 0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:57.160 bunch of cuts. 0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:04.840 Yeah, I agree. So this one's from old Tom. Shout 0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:09.360 out to uh Saint Andrews here. But who do you 0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:13.160 wish to work with splash do the construction of the 0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:13.760 Buck Club? 0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:24.000 Uh self? Yeah, and probably my dad more than anybody. 0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:25.759 But I mean, if a like, if a big time 0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:29.279 architect wanted to get involved, I mean I would be 0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:32.880 open to to working with you know some of those guys, 0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:39.080 you know, the Doaks or the core Crenchshaws. I would 0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:41.000 just have to make sure that I do the greens. 0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:50.920 Yeah, so this one's from Tony Beer. Another architecture nut. 0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:55.239 To what extent do PGA two or players notice consider 0:38:55.920 --> 0:39:00.279 evaluate course design and can they explain why courses good 0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:00.720 or bad? 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:06.640 I don't know. I mean, I only know of a 0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:11.399 handful of guys really out there that really like talk 0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.080 about it or even bring it up and stuff like that. 0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:16.680 I know, Johnson Wagner is a guy who I've you know, 0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:20.000 spoken to throughout rounds, and I remember playing with him 0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:22.200 at the Barclays this year, and I mean the guy 0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:24.719 shot like sixty two or sixty one or something like 0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:27.359 that in the whole round. We were talking about, you know, 0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:30.440 golf course architecture and stuff like that. But I mean, 0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:32.680 I think there's a handful of people out there that 0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:35.120 appreciate it and get it. And then I mean, I 0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:39.640 think there's a big chunk of guys that, you know, 0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:41.920 they don't really pay too much attention to it. They 0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:44.440 just you know, go about their business. And each of 0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:48.319 those is fine, but I'm not really too sure. 0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:55.759 Okay, this is kind of along the same lines. Why 0:39:55.760 --> 0:40:02.600 don't you think more pros are publicly expressive about architecture. 0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:06.880 And this is from Drew ned Zsky ned Vinsky. 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:11.160 Yeah, again the same thing. I feel like, you know, 0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:14.280 there's a handful of guys out here that do openly 0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:16.600 talk about it and express like what they think. And 0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:19.480 then I think there's a big chunk of guys that 0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:23.680 really don't care, you know, they just have other interests, 0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:24.439 which I think. 0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:28.480 I think it mirrors the general population of golfers. 0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:30.320 Yeah, for sure, for sure. 0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:32.359 It's all right. 0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:39.719 So we we covered uh half of Chris's question here, 0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:44.000 which is what courses are on your bucket list? What's 0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:48.680 your favorite uh cev Rainer Banks template hole? 0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:57.440 Oh man, I don't know if I could answer that, 0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:03.120 because I like a lot of them. Yeah, I really 0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:10.560 like you know, Radan's and virus is. I will say, however, 0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:15.920 the alp like you see at Fisher's Island and stuff 0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:19.239 like that could probably be my favorite hole though in 0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:21.920 the world. I just think it's exciting and fun and 0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:25.320 it's uh, you know, you can hit a bad shot 0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:27.680 and get super lucky. You can hit a good shot 0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:31.959 and just have a turnout average, So that ALP's punch 0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:34.480 bowl or even a punch bowl in general, I guess 0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:36.320 I think you're pretty awesome. 0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:41.120 Yeah, punch bowls are pretty cool. It's so they're kind 0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:45.240 of making a comeback. I know the drainage is always 0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:49.080 an issue with them, but now as you see more 0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:53.640 modern architects creating them. I played a if you're out 0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:57.960 in Philly, I played this cool girl hands course called Applebrook. 0:41:58.520 --> 0:41:59.240 Apple Brook. 0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:04.000 Yeah, he had this really cool short part for it 0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:07.399 was like three hundred yards and it was like an 0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:08.399 Alps punch bowl. 0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:10.000 It was a blind green. 0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:14.279 And you know it had you know, big mounting bunkers 0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:17.240 that you know protected the front at like two sixty 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:19.719 and then this great punch bowl green. 0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:20.040 It was. 0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:21.800 It was one of It was one of the cooler 0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:25.360 holes that I played on the year, just from like 0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:25.879 a you. 0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:27.120 Know, fun to play hole. 0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:30.799 Yeah, yeah, Southampton has it's a rainer course up in 0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:32.000 the Hampton has. 0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:32.560 Yeah. 0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:36.200 I'm sure he got the idea from that whole. It 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:37.520 sounds exactly the same. 0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:39.439 Yeah, pretty good one. 0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:46.560 Yeah all right, So this one's from Buck Walter and 0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:49.960 he says, your best finish on the PGA tour came 0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:54.120 at a rainer design coincidence or does a good architect 0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:54.920 help your play. 0:42:56.960 --> 0:43:01.480 I mean, I I think it's just a good golf 0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:03.720 course that makes you do a lot of good things. 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:10.840 So I would say his architectural features do encourage just 0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:17.439 a solid, you know game from tee to green. Yeah, 0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:20.360 we'll go with that. Shout out to back. He was 0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:22.960 the one who helps me get the copy of The 0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:25.600 Evangelical Golfer, So he's amazing. 0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:29.760 Yeah, that's the probably the hardest book to find. 0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:33.200 Yeah, that's pretty unbelievable. 0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:35.040 Yeah, it's unreal. 0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:38.319 Anybody can get their hands on it. 0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:39.720 I highly recommend. 0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:45.520 So if the US Open headed rota, like the Open 0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:50.080 Championship across the pond, what courses do you think should 0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:50.520 be in it? 0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:52.879 Uh? 0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:58.960 Well, I think Oakmont. I think Oakmont and Pebble should 0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:02.480 be in it like every five or six years. I 0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:07.280 just think they're extremely fun to watch, and I definitely 0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:11.880 Oakmont should be in the rotation every five years. But 0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:15.560 I mean, you got courses like you know, Shinnacock again, 0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:21.080 who should probably get it every every few years. You know, 0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:24.439 those courses like Tory Pines. It does a good job. 0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:27.520 I think they had one a few years ago that 0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:33.759 was pretty exciting. But man, my big ones, I just 0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:39.360 looked at this last night. I hope Brookline does a 0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:41.600 good job, because I think that's a really cool one. 0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:46.320 Marion did a good job. But I think those those 0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:50.760 those courses like Marion and the Country Club should probably 0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:54.399 only get them every few years because they're just they're 0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:57.080 you know, small, and they're probably not big enough for 0:44:57.160 --> 0:45:00.239 what the US Open has kind of become. But you yeah, 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:03.840 I would love I love Best Page and I love Baltistral. 0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:08.200 I think Baltistrall and Best Page should get it more frequently. 0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:11.600 I don't think Best Page or I don't know if 0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:14.120 either of them will get them anytime soon. It looks 0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:17.319 like the kind of the PGA's kind of snagged both 0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:21.920 of those sites. But those are really good ones. There's 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:25.760 I think there's definitely a there's a good, solid group 0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:31.040 of about fifteen courses. I think they should ever go 0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:34.640 anywhere else Beside those fifteen courses, I don't think, you know, 0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:36.920 I don't think Chambers it should go back there. I 0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:41.799 don't think I think it will, but I don't think 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:43.919 it should. I would rather see it at Oakmont every 0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:48.560 year before I see it at you know, Chambers Day. Yeah, 0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:53.160 I feel like Oakmont a lot of people like watching 0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:56.640 the US Open there for some reason. It's just you know, 0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:59.520 it's brutal and at the same time, like this year, 0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:01.799 you saw when it rained, people were eating it up. 0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:05.040 So I think you can play that course a lot 0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:07.200 of different ways. You don't have to be a bomber. 0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:10.160 There's a lot of holes under three hundred yards, but 0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:11.880 they can get rough up and they can get the 0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:16.359 greens crazy fast and crazy firm. So that's probably the 0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:19.480 one that sticks out more than any other one in 0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:22.720 my mind. And then I did play Shinnecock earlier this year, 0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.520 and the stuff they've done to redo that place I 0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:27.759 think are going to be really really exciting for the 0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:28.920 for the Open. 0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:31.840 Yeah, it's I think. 0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:37.600 Everybody wants to like, yeah, to talk about golf courses, 0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:41.080 but I think the ultimate ultimate defense. 0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:42.920 Anywhere has got to be firm and. 0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:46.759 Fast and if it rains, if you know, you guys 0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:50.160 are just too good to not, you know, you're going 0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:51.400 to eat up almost anywhere. 0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:55.080 Right, Yeah, Yeah, you see it every week. You know, 0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:57.879 it doesn't matter how long the course is, how long, 0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:01.080 the rough is, how long anything is, the rains, the 0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:04.000 guys play it well. Another course that I would like 0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:06.440 I would love to see Riviera get a get a 0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:11.960 US Open, and then I'm excited to see the US 0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:15.000 Open at La North. That's one of my favorite courses 0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:18.480 in the world, so I'll be really excited to see 0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:19.719 that in a few years. 0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:22.480 I know Rivs got the UF fan this year or 0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:24.600 so that could be in the they do. 0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:26.080 Yeah. 0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:30.120 Wow, wow, you know, I got to actually get my 0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:33.360 indoor putting that out and start start grinding, and. 0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:36.680 I need to get out there exactly. Yeah, wow, that'll 0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:38.920 be really cool. That's a really that's a really cool 0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:41.360 golf course, and I think it's it can be really 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:44.600 really challenging. But as you've seen the last two years 0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:48.160 at the LA Open, it's poured rain the first you know, 0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:51.520 Wednesday night and Thursday, and the guys that eating it up. 0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:54.719 So that just kind of that goes to show that 0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:59.320 any golf course can kind of be uh can be 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:01.640 taken apart if the conditions are right. 0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:05.120 Yeah, that place was one of my favorite courses I 0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:11.040 played this year. It's just there's very few weak shots 0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:15.000 on it. The par threes are really unique and interesting. 0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:18.839 I mean, that's spoors gotta be out there, it's got 0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:20.960 to be one of the best for dan holes in golf. 0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:23.160 Yeah, that's pretty cool one, huh. 0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:24.000 Yeah. 0:48:24.160 --> 0:48:26.120 The problem is this the last couple of years, Like 0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:31.040 I said, it's rained so bad that that you just 0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:34.359 you can't play it quite the way you'd want to play. 0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:37.759 It seems to always be right in between clubs, and 0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:39.680 so when you have to hit a shot at the 0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:42.120 ten instead of playing it off the side, it just 0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:44.919 kind of takes away a little bit from the hole. 0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:47.960 That's a course where I've talked to a lot of people. 0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:51.040 I would like to see that course with no rough. 0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:53.239 I would like to see the whole thing be fair 0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:59.319 with cut because the rough really isn't rough because it 0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:02.680 just fits right on top every time that I've played it. 0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:06.439 And then it also but it is just long enough 0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:08.760 to kind of stop balls from going into the trees 0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:10.680 and stuff like that. So that'd be a cool course. 0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:14.719 I think if the whole golf course was fair way cut, 0:49:14.760 --> 0:49:17.040 and you know, you could probably hit balls that ran 0:49:17.080 --> 0:49:18.879 out a little and got into some trouble, I think 0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:21.080 that would be a pretty unique place because it looked 0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:22.360 like it used to kind of be like that. 0:49:23.440 --> 0:49:27.040 Yeah, if you look at old ariels, there were a 0:49:27.080 --> 0:49:31.320 lot less trees, and I mean everywhere I think was 0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:33.880 a lot There was just so much less rough on 0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:35.320 almost every golf course. 0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:36.960 Yeah, for sure. 0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:40.920 So this one's from Ghosts of Hogan. 0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:45.880 The biggest surprise about the tour. 0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:54.440 So far. To get surprised about the tour, yeah, I'd 0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:57.640 probably just say how nice everybody is. You know, how 0:49:57.760 --> 0:50:00.200 nice all the guys are. You know, whether you your 0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:03.719 stuff in the media about certain players, you know, everybody, 0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:07.839 the perception of how people are gonna be. And I 0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:10.759 just think, after you know, a couple of years out here, 0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:14.000 just seeing how genuinely nice all the guys are to 0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:16.400 each other, and you know, how good everybody gets a 0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:17.600 lot and basically. 0:50:18.640 --> 0:50:23.560 Yeah, that's the lot of camaraderie. It seems like everybody 0:50:23.800 --> 0:50:24.680 that works for the. 0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:26.319 Tour is really nice too. 0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:29.960 For the moment, Yeah exactly. Yeah, everything kind of associated 0:50:30.000 --> 0:50:33.040 with the to learn they do a pretty good job. 0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:34.560 So it's nice to be out there. 0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:36.319 So you know. 0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:39.400 You also asked why why the dancing season when putting. 0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:45.359 I couldn't really tell you. It's just how I've always been. 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:49.400 I guess it kind of. I don't really read puts 0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:51.400 too much, so I think it's just kind of my 0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:54.960 way of kind of feeling it out, seeing you know, 0:50:55.200 --> 0:50:57.399 what the break's doing around around the ball. 0:50:58.080 --> 0:50:58.480 Mm hmm. 0:50:59.080 --> 0:51:03.919 Well, so then we have a bunch of interesting ones 0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:07.759 here from Zak Johnson or Nick Johnson, not Zack Cheeze. 0:51:08.560 --> 0:51:10.720 And they're kind of like a rapid fire. 0:51:11.040 --> 0:51:15.520 So these are all so all these are based off. 0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:20.120 Of tour courses. So okay, best t shot on tour. 0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:25.560 I would probably say eighteen at Pebble. That's pretty cool one. 0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:28.800 It's kind of like almost like a holy type ceiling 0:51:28.840 --> 0:51:30.680 out there. It's pretty awesome. 0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:34.759 Yeah, you can't really go wrong with that one. 0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:37.520 Best green green complex. 0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:42.759 Well, we didn't get to play it last year, but 0:51:42.800 --> 0:51:45.160 hopefully we'll be back this year. But number three, the 0:51:45.200 --> 0:51:48.440 beer is green at the Greenbrier's probably one of my 0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:52.480 favorite green complexes or holes you know, throughout the year. 0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:53.359 So that's pretty good. 0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:57.560 One is the best single hole you know, from a 0:51:57.960 --> 0:52:01.000 you know, entire hole. What's your think the best hole 0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:01.680 on tour. 0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:07.360 Risk I would probably say seventeen at Stagrass just because 0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:09.879 of all the aspects of it. You know, you got 0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:15.000 the huge crowd, it's a neat little hole. It's challenging, 0:52:15.160 --> 0:52:16.719 but if you hit a good shot, you know you're 0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:19.560 gonna make it two. And it's kind of one of 0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:22.760 those holes you're thinking about the entire round, whether guys 0:52:22.800 --> 0:52:26.719 admitted or not. You know, from the time you get there, 0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:29.120 you're thinking, where's the tin hat, what's wind is it? 0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:30.880 You know what kind of club am I going to 0:52:30.880 --> 0:52:34.439 be hitting? And you see a lot of drama there. 0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:37.040 So I think that's the best ulsay probably all year. 0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:41.920 Yeah. I mean it's a great interpretation of McDonald's short 0:52:42.080 --> 0:52:42.800 it's hit. 0:52:42.719 --> 0:52:43.320 It or else. 0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:46.080 Yep, yep, that's pretty good. 0:52:48.280 --> 0:52:50.920 So best three hole stretch. 0:52:52.560 --> 0:52:57.560 Best three whole stretch, oh Man sixteen seventeen eighteen at 0:52:57.600 --> 0:53:01.320 Stagrass are pretty good too. I think that's a really 0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:04.120 cool you know, it gives you a chance to score 0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:10.920 and at the same time people occasionally as well, So 0:53:11.160 --> 0:53:12.120 that one's pretty good. 0:53:12.760 --> 0:53:14.960 Yeah, lots of risk reward. 0:53:15.480 --> 0:53:23.080 Yeah, from die So best front nine. 0:53:22.600 --> 0:53:27.400 Best front nine, I don't know, God, there was so 0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:31.279 many that that are. I don't know if I could 0:53:31.280 --> 0:53:34.120 give you nine the best front nine. I don't know 0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:36.480 if I could even give you the best course. They're 0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:39.759 all pretty there's a lot of good ones. So I'm 0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:41.160 going to plead the sint on that one. 0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:43.680 All right, I'm gonna assume you're going to say the 0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:45.879 same for the best back nine or is there one 0:53:45.960 --> 0:53:47.520 back nine that's just awesome? 0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:53.320 Oh? Man, I wish somebody would have given me choices 0:53:53.400 --> 0:53:55.640 to choose from, because I probably would have been better 0:53:55.680 --> 0:53:58.959 at that best back nine. I feel like I should 0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:04.359 at least be But the answer this man, the back 0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:09.680 nine at uh? The back nine? Dude, I don't even know. 0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:11.960 Yeah, I don't know. 0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:14.279 There's a lot of good ones. I could probably give 0:54:14.320 --> 0:54:17.320 you the best back nine of a not a tour course. 0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:19.399 But let's hear that one. 0:54:21.760 --> 0:54:26.680 The best back nine? What what's it called? I can't 0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:29.320 even remember the course was named. I played it during 0:54:29.400 --> 0:54:37.640 the during the PGA after I missed the cut. I 0:54:37.640 --> 0:54:40.600 would probably say probably Somerset Hills. The back nine there 0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:42.200 is pretty fun, it's pretty cool. 0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:45.760 I feel like that's a course that flies under the radar. 0:54:46.080 --> 0:54:47.320 I haven't pat my god. 0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:50.560 Everything I've seen it's just spectacular. 0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:54.319 Yeah. I mean, I've been on the record saying that 0:54:55.000 --> 0:54:58.439 it's not for sure. I'm saying it's in the it's 0:54:58.520 --> 0:55:03.200 in the conversation for if you had one course to 0:55:03.280 --> 0:55:05.920 play for the rest of your life, just one, you know, 0:55:06.000 --> 0:55:08.120 you could pick one course that you had to play 0:55:08.160 --> 0:55:11.360 every round out the rest of your life. It would 0:55:11.360 --> 0:55:17.000 be in my discussion for that course, because it's just 0:55:17.080 --> 0:55:19.840 I mean, it's it's awesome, it's fun. You know, there's 0:55:19.960 --> 0:55:25.879 tons of different holes. It's just you know, it's extremely 0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:29.719 fun and challenging in some spots, but you're gonna make birdies. 0:55:30.280 --> 0:55:32.640 You know, the views are amazing, you know, some of 0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:36.040 those trees in the ball and then it's just cool. 0:55:36.200 --> 0:55:37.640 It's a cool little vibe out there. 0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:42.040 Yeah, Tilling has used a lot of template holes out there. 0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:46.080 Yeah he did. They've kind of a yeah, that's a 0:55:46.280 --> 0:55:48.640 that's a really cool course. I really liked that. A 0:55:48.640 --> 0:55:53.759 lot of people are surprised when I say that, because 0:55:53.800 --> 0:55:55.840 I think a lot of people like it kind of 0:55:55.840 --> 0:55:58.440 flies under the radar, like you said, And you know, 0:55:58.680 --> 0:56:00.640 some people I talk to and say that, they're like, what, 0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:02.040 you know, what is it. You're not going to say 0:56:02.040 --> 0:56:05.560 Augusta or Pebble Beach or something like that. And I mean, yeah, 0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:08.600 those courses would probably be in the equation, you know, 0:56:08.680 --> 0:56:12.319 in the conversation. But man, I had a good time 0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:14.759 out there this last time I played there, and it 0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:17.120 was in such good shape. You know, it plays the 0:56:17.200 --> 0:56:20.080 right way. It played firm and fast, and you know, 0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:22.479 balls were rolling and you could play the ground game 0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:24.839 a little bit. And I think that kind of just 0:56:24.880 --> 0:56:26.719 goes into how much fun I had out there. 0:56:27.800 --> 0:56:28.000 Yeah. 0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:29.600 I think it's one of those places. 0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:32.120 And you see there's a bunch of them all over 0:56:32.160 --> 0:56:36.120 the country, but it's a course where the membership knows 0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:38.640 how good their golf course is and they don't care 0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:43.160 if anybody else knows, you know, yeah, exactly. They're very 0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:47.160 content with their course, you know, yeah, being not talked 0:56:47.160 --> 0:56:50.160 about in them being the only ones in on the secret. 0:56:51.239 --> 0:56:53.680 Yeah. And I mean that's the type of people that 0:56:53.760 --> 0:56:55.920 I want like at my course, you know what I mean. 0:56:56.280 --> 0:56:59.400 I mean I've been I've said it a bunch and 0:56:59.600 --> 0:57:01.920 you know, I'm not afraid to say that some of 0:57:01.960 --> 0:57:05.799 the courses on the like top one hundred rankings, you know, 0:57:06.040 --> 0:57:11.719 I could name I could name so many courses that 0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:14.840 that should not be above Somerset Hills on that list. 0:57:15.000 --> 0:57:17.520 And you know, same with like Maids Down and some 0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:20.360 of the other courses, but they are and I think 0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:22.720 those type of clubs. I just think, like you said, 0:57:22.760 --> 0:57:25.200 the membership is like, we don't really care. We know 0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:28.200 that this place is unbelievable, and you know that's the 0:57:28.240 --> 0:57:29.800 type of people you need at your club. 0:57:31.200 --> 0:57:34.280 It's uh, That's what I say about Shore Acres is 0:57:34.400 --> 0:57:39.880 golf dig just has a number ninety nine, And I'm like, 0:57:39.920 --> 0:57:42.640 if there's ninety eight courses that are better than this 0:57:43.040 --> 0:57:46.200 in the country, like, you've got to be cat because 0:57:46.240 --> 0:57:47.880 I haven't found I've played, you know, a lot of 0:57:47.920 --> 0:57:50.280 great courses. I haven't found one that, like I could 0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:52.600 say it is better. You know, I think there are, yeah, 0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:55.320 on the same level, but I know that it's a 0:57:55.360 --> 0:57:57.360 lot better than a lot of the courses on there 0:57:57.400 --> 0:58:00.240 that I've played for sure. Yeah. 0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:03.000 Yeah, but bad but true. 0:58:03.880 --> 0:58:07.040 It is the It's I think it's almost impossible. 0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:10.600 To rank golf courses, you know, yeah. 0:58:10.040 --> 0:58:12.880 It's but it is possibly. 0:58:12.880 --> 0:58:15.000 I think you can put them into tears, you know 0:58:15.080 --> 0:58:15.880 where exactly. 0:58:15.960 --> 0:58:17.560 Yeah, that's what I was just gonna say. You can 0:58:17.600 --> 0:58:21.840 kind of put them in you know, a B but 0:58:22.160 --> 0:58:22.960 tough to rank him. 0:58:23.600 --> 0:58:28.120 Yeah, it's but hey, I really appreciate you coming on 0:58:28.280 --> 0:58:31.240 and giving us an hour of your time here today. 0:58:32.600 --> 0:58:36.840 You know, we'll best of luck in twenty seventeen and 0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:40.080 you know, hopefully we'll have you on again after a 0:58:40.120 --> 0:58:42.880 win or you know, something really good. 0:58:43.880 --> 0:58:47.080 Yeah, of course, anytime. Enjoyed it. Thanks for having me. 0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:51.680 Yeah for sure. For anybody that doesn't follow Zach, it's 0:58:51.760 --> 0:58:55.000 one of the best Twitter followers. If you're in the 0:58:55.120 --> 0:59:00.240 PGA Tour golf and golf course architecture, I'll put his 0:59:00.840 --> 0:59:02.520 Twitter link and. 0:59:02.680 --> 0:59:04.560 The podcast. 0:59:06.600 --> 0:59:10.440 Page as well as the Buff Club. So thanks a 0:59:10.440 --> 0:59:13.800 lot Zach for coming on and we'll talk to you soon. 0:59:14.720 --> 0:59:17.280 Yeah, no problem, buche Bye see