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Speaker 1: So we're back for another episode of the Frida Egg Podcast,

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Speaker 1: and this week we're really excited to have PGA Tour

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Speaker 1: player and golf course architecture fanatic Zach Blair on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Zach is heading into his.

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Speaker 1: Third year on the PGA Tour and he is also

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Speaker 1: you know, has aspirations of building his own golf course,

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Speaker 1: which is going to happen called the Buck Club. So

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Speaker 1: he you know, kind of fits perfectly with what the

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Speaker 1: Frida Egg's all about, PGA Tour talk and architecture. So, Zach,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no problem, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 4: So, you know, with the with the na lull here,

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Speaker 4: with the PGA Tour season kind of you know, in

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Speaker 4: the silly season, what are you doing these days to

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Speaker 4: keep yourself busy?

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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly right now, just kind of taking care

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Speaker 3: of regular stuff in life, you know, getting ready for

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Speaker 3: the holidays, shopping a little bit and just kind of

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Speaker 3: hanging out with family and friends, but getting ready to

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Speaker 3: get it back going. So excited about that.

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Speaker 1: Cool. So what's the what's the golf season like in

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Speaker 1: Utah these days in November and December kind of non existent?

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, up until two or three weeks ago, it.

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Speaker 3: Was actually pretty nice. I mean it was around sixty degrees,

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Speaker 3: which is I think pretty seasonably warm for around here.

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Speaker 3: But it's snowing now, so not too much golf here

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Speaker 1: As they do, you kind of try and stay sharp

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Speaker 1: with a winter. Do they have like winter facilities or

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Speaker 1: anything there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we just live right down the road from BYU,

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Speaker 3: so you know, when I want to go practice, I

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Speaker 3: facility with the golf team out there bringing me on.

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Speaker 3: So that's pretty nice to have when I need it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's it's nice that you're right by old

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Speaker 1: stomping grounds, so exactly love to hear a little bit about,

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Speaker 1: you know, your story about how you got into golf.

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Speaker 1: I know, you know, your father had a big influence

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Speaker 1: of the you know, rare guys that earned a PGA

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Speaker 1: Tour card in less than a year. So I'd love

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Speaker 1: to hear a little bit about your journey to the

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Speaker 1: PGA Tour and how you got started in golf.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like you said, my dad was a

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Speaker 3: With with everything going on, I kind of just followed

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Speaker 3: him around and just you know, like a lot of

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Speaker 5: And so it worked.

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Speaker 3: Out and kind of took a liking to it. Maybe,

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Speaker 3: you know, sometime in junior high or close to high

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Speaker 3: which was always nice. But I kind of took a

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Speaker 5: I turned pro after a Q School.

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Speaker 3: Actually I went to Q School as an amateur and

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Speaker 3: made it to finals, but kind of had a you know,

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Speaker 3: So I was actually just gonna stay amateur and other

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Speaker 3: you know, where I finished at Q School were getting

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Speaker 3: starts on the PGA Tour Latin America with how they'd

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Speaker 3: So I told my dad, you know, I asked him

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Speaker 3: I had conditional status. I was able to reshuffle in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it, And it's a kind of a cool story.

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Speaker 1: It's a unique one in the sense that you know,

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Speaker 2: It, you know, Q School.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so for me, I had to go through every stage.

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Speaker 5: So that was nice to get through there.

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Speaker 3: And then second stage again I kind of you know,

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Speaker 3: And I mean that was I mean, if you look

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that the Q School is.

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Speaker 1: One of the most undercovered events in all of golf.

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Speaker 2: Of it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: It should should definitely get more coverage.

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Speaker 3: So I think they kind of overlook it even more now.

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Speaker 3: But I mean it's a really cool event. I know

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Speaker 3: So it's it's pretty good, you know, it's pretty fun

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I got a buddy that's in a whole

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Speaker 2: Your next start.

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Speaker 1: You were exactly lucky to get through and uh and

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Speaker 1: Curious how you go about building your tournament schedule for

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Speaker 2: Do you like to block it out where you have

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Speaker 1: Weeks on the road and then some weeks off. Do

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Speaker 3: I mean kind of all of those things that you said,

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Speaker 3: and then so this year I kind of went into it,

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Speaker 3: it's kind of hard for me to say I want

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Speaker 3: we'll see. I mean, this year, I kind of have

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Speaker 3: the plan to you know, not play more than four

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Speaker 3: see kind of my past performances and see how I've

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Speaker 3: played at certain places or see what courses set up

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Speaker 3: well for me. Obviously, I like any course that's a

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Speaker 5: Play well at.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just excited to kind of get back out

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Speaker 1: Any new staffs that you're kind of looking forward to that,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they're the only new course that

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Speaker 3: you want long irons into a dand and you want

444
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 3: you know, you want short irons into short greens, you know,

445
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,239
Speaker 3: stuff like that. So that's definitely another key point that

446
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 3: I'll try to make happen at my course. And you know,

447
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 3: if I can do those things, I think it'll be

448
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 3: pretty great.

449
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how do you get into architecture in the

450
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: in the first part with you know, just growing up? Obviously,

451
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 1: you know a lot of golfers.

452
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: Aren't into it.

453
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: I think it's growing, but I'd love to hear how

454
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 1: you you know, got such a love of architecture at

455
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: such an early age.

456
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 3: Again, my dad, you know, he was a club pro

457
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 3: and he ran a couple of you know, just like

458
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 3: regulation nine golf golf courses and he designed them and

459
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 3: everything like that. They're called Mulligan's golfing Games in Utah,

460
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 3: and they were, you know, they were just little nine

461
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,479
Speaker 3: hole courses. But he did he did all the design

462
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 3: work and stuff like that. So I mean I just

463
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 3: grew up watching him, you know, doing all these drawings

464
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,239
Speaker 3: and all these sketches. And then later on, you know,

465
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 3: you know, a few years back he got involved in

466
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 3: redoing a couple of courses down in southern Utah, and

467
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 3: so again I just kind of, you know, would always

468
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: see him doing his sketches and you know, having his

469
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 3: routings and all his maps and stuff like that. And

470
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 3: like I said earlier, I just kind of always wanted

471
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 3: a copy and be like my dad. So, uh, it

472
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 3: kind of came pretty easy me just kind of sitting

473
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 3: next to him drawing golf holes. And you know, as

474
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 3: you grow older, the interest got a little bigger and

475
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 3: did a little more research and studied a little more,

476
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 3: and you know, got to where I am today.

477
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 5: Cool.

478
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: You know, I know you are a big reader in architecture,

479
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: So you know what we're what are some of your

480
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: favorite architecture books? And you know what's next on your

481
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: list of things to read that you haven't gotten to yet.

482
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm not sure there's so many of them. I've

483
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: gotten a lot of books over the last couple of years.

484
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: The evangelical golfer, Uh, that is a really cool book,

485
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 3: you know, if you like CB McDonald and Seth Rayner

486
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: talks about all their courses and and stuff like that. Man,

487
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 3: I wish I had I wish I was in my

488
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 3: little library right now so I could read off some

489
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 3: other ones. But uh, I don't know. I can't really

490
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 3: name too many that I like Live and Die by

491
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 3: besides that book.

492
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 5: I love that book, Yeah, that one.

493
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 3: But you know where, you know where I read a lot.

494
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 3: I just read a lot of stuff online though, too,

495
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 3: just uh, just random stuff about golf courses. You know,

496
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 3: I'll hear about a golf course and find it online

497
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 3: and kind of re read up on it, and then

498
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: you know, just I'd like to talk to my dad,

499
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 3: and I'd like to talk to other architects just about it,

500
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 3: kind of see what they have to say. So it's

501
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 3: just kind of a combination of a lot of different

502
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 3: sources where I like to learn from.

503
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: I think obviously the best, the best way to study

504
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: architecture is being great architecture and action.

505
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 5: At the Teah courses.

506
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 4: So, you know, what were some.

507
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: Of your favorite courses that.

508
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: You saw this year?

509
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: And like the other question, you know, do you have

510
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: any ones that you're really excited about it lined up

511
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: for twenty seventeen, or places that are on the you

512
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: know must see list.

513
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 3: For me this year, I was able to get to

514
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of good spots, So I'm

515
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 3: sorry if I miss any that offends somebody, but I

516
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 3: was able to go a couple of them that were

517
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 3: really awesome to me. Chicago Golf Club and Fisher's Island

518
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 3: Yale was really cool. Those are all C. P. McDonald's

519
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 3: and Seth Rainer spots, so again, you know, you can

520
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 3: see how much I love those guys. But uh man,

521
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 3: where else where else did I play? I went to

522
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 3: so many places that I forget, but I mean I

523
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 3: really loved Chicago Golf Club like a lot.

524
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: It was.

525
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 3: It was a really cool day and to see that

526
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 3: place it was pretty special. But some places I'm excited

527
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 3: for this upcoming year. I don't usually like set anything

528
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 3: up until kind of like that week before I'm gonna go,

529
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: But you know, I really want to see Short Acres.

530
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 3: I've heard that's a good spot, and I really want

531
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 3: to see Marion. Never been out there, and a couple

532
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 3: of my friends. You know, tell me, it's a tell

533
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: me it's a must see, so I really need to

534
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 3: get out there. And obviously, you know, like if Gusta

535
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: that would be a nice one to go see. I

536
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 3: really have always wanted to see Jaman's Hall, another step

537
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 3: Rainer Country Club of Charleston, and then I mean there's

538
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 3: too many to name. Honestly, I really want to see

539
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 3: Myopia Hunt up up near Boston. That's kind of one

540
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: that I've just like wanted to go to so bad.

541
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 3: I wasn't able to make it to the Deutsche Bank

542
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: this year, so I was pretty bummed because I was

543
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 3: going to go and check that out. But uh, I

544
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 3: mean every week somewhere where you go has a great spot,

545
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: so I always like to go and check those out,

546
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: see what what each place has got going on. So

547
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: I'm sure I'll find some some good horns this year.

548
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, as short Akers is my favorite golf course I've played,

549
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: so I think that'll be a treat for you.

550
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: And then yeah, I've heard it's good.

551
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then you know, Blue Mound is a really

552
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: cool rainer in Milwaukee that if you're there you should

553
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: check out. You know, very average land to say the least,

554
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, pretty pretty dismal property, but the green complexes

555
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: are so good that it makes it just such a

556
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: fantastic golf course and you know, ultimate template hole golf course.

557
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

558
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was able to play there during the US

559
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 3: Am Aaron Hills, that was the secondary course, So that

560
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 3: was really cool. That was honestly one of the first

561
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: rainer courses I had played. So, I mean that was

562
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 3: kind of one of those aha moments where I was like, Wow,

563
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: this stuff is like really cool. I need to I

564
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: need to kind of read up and see what these

565
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: guys were thinking and you know why they did this stuff.

566
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: So that was That's a pretty special course to me.

567
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 3: So I definitely like that spot.

568
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I think it's a testament of somebody said to.

569
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: Me one time. He's that.

570
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: They said, have you ever played a golfle, a great

571
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: golfle that didn't have a great green?

572
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 3: Yeah? Probably not for me. I'm I'm big into green complexes,

573
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: and Seth Rayner's by far my favorite.

574
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

575
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 3: I think he did a really good job of giving

576
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 3: you a lot of pinnable surfaces and I just don't

577
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: I mean, for me, at least, you play a lot

578
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: of his golf courses and you get a lot of

579
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 3: putts from long distance that you feel like you can make.

580
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: I just think he made the golf. He just made

581
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 3: golf really fun. In my opinion, it wasn't crazy hard.

582
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: You see some of these architects now, they make the

583
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 3: green complexes so hard and so challenging, which I understand

584
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: is some courses, you know, if they want to host

585
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 3: a major championship or they want to host a PGA

586
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: Tour event. You know, the architects aren't in charge of

587
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 3: exactly what they want to do all the time. You know,

588
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 3: there's other people that influence them and tell them this

589
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 3: is what they want. So, I mean, they're getting paid

590
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: and they have to do, you know, what they're being told,

591
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 3: so they're not, you know, in charge of that all

592
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 3: the time. But for the majority of the time, I

593
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: just think the green complexes from today's architects are pretty bad.

594
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: If you like Seth Rainer.

595
00:31:54,520 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's they They definitely go to extremes and for

596
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: sure where they kind of try and defend par for.

597
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: The yeah, which I think is stupid.

598
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 5: You know.

599
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: I think the same thing is is that like they

600
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: try and defend par that you know, I.

601
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 6: Really believe in the width that they have you know,

602
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 6: started to do. But yeah, times the greens get so

603
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 6: wacky where you know, if you haven't played the golf

604
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 6: course like fifteen times.

605
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: You you don't understand where you're supposed to hit him.

606
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: And that's also.

607
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fair, Yeah exactly. I just I just got

608
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 3: I was playing Frederica last week. It's a I want

609
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: to say if Fazzio of course and uh in Georgia

610
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: and Sea Island and one of I mean on my

611
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 3: first hole, I've never played the golf course before. In

612
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 3: the first the tenth hole, the pin was back left,

613
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 3: and my caddy was just like, yeah, I mean, you

614
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: don't want to go in the water left, You just

615
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,239
Speaker 3: kind of want to keep it in the green. And

616
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: it's this huge putting, you know, surface, and I hit

617
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: it right in the middle of the green and there's

618
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: this huge hump like a ten. I don't even know

619
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: how big, but it was like it was to the

620
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: point where I had like a fifteen foot pott and

621
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 3: I couldn't even keep this thing within eight feet of

622
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: the hole. No matter how good of a putt you hit,

623
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: unless you made it, it was going eight feet away.

624
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: And I just, you know, for the most part. I

625
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: mean there's exceptions, but for the most part, at a

626
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: seth Rainer course, you know, most of the time you

627
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: get on the green and you feel like you have

628
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 3: a pretty good chance to make a pot, which is

629
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 3: which is a lot more fun, I think, Yeah.

630
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: And I think one of the things that Rainer, from

631
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: my experience, was so good at was creating like small

632
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: subtle piece and you know, you hit what you think

633
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: is a perfect putt and it might not move exactly

634
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: the way you thought it did, and it and it

635
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: just you know, it drives you bonkers. But it's like

636
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: these little tiny breaks that are almost harder to read

637
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: than you know, seeing yeah, weeping break is easy to

638
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 1: read that putt, whereas you know you have a ten

639
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: footer and you're trying to decide, you know, is this

640
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: a you know, half ball out versus you know inside

641
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: the hole. That's almost a harder putt sometimes.

642
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think, I mean, I almost think some

643
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: of that stuff it just goes it goes to kind

644
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 3: of what I was saying. He gave you so much

645
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 3: flat putting surface that you know, originally that putt that

646
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 3: you're talking about might have been a straight putt, you know,

647
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: the year of the course open, but over time and

648
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 3: that you know, his ground settles and stuff like that,

649
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 3: those little subtle teas where the greens were flat, they

650
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: get those subtle little breaks, you know, And like you said,

651
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 3: you know that stuff can drive you crazy when you

652
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 3: got a ten footer that you think is you know,

653
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 3: dead straight, and it just kind of can wiggle either way. So,

654
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I love I love flat putting surfaces, you know,

655
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 3: generally flat. Yeah, I like a little slope on him.

656
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: You know. Some of the stuff that I see today,

657
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 3: I just I can't stand, especially when I read that

658
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: some of these guys, you know, they're they're idols, you

659
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 3: know in the architecture world. Where were some of the

660
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: guys that we've been talking about.

661
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's isn't it's interesting, It's it's.

662
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: They they've it's clearly that they.

663
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: That the ideas with and then defense of the green

664
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: is kind of the that's bad right now?

665
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

666
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: So we got a lot of Twitter questions, So I

667
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: I want to jump in.

668
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: Here and uh, you know, some of these.

669
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: Will be quick ones and some of these will be

670
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 1: a little bit longer, so you know, we'll we'll jump

671
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: in and the first ones from uh Kyle Nathan and

672
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 1: he's he's asking this question for a friend. It's sounds

673
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: like there's some money on the line here. If Tiger

674
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: plays fifteen events this year, how many cuts.

675
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: Will you make?

676
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 3: I mean, if he plays fifteen events, he'll make fourteen

677
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 3: or fifteen cuts.

678
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: I think, all right, that's it. I think I'm I

679
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: think I'm in the thirteen to fifteen. Yeah, I mean yeah,

680
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: his made cut streak is what I think is his

681
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: most impressed I don't know whether what do you you're

682
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: look say, what do you think is his most impressive feet?

683
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: Is it the amateur you know, three straight juniors, three

684
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: straight usns, the mad cut streak, the you know wins?

685
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: You know what what stands out to you?

686
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: Is it most impressive feet?

687
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: I mean, all of them are pretty unbelievable. And I

688
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 3: think all of you know, his seventy nine or eighty wins,

689
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 3: whatever he has, and his majors and his you know,

690
00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: amateur USGA titles and his made cut streak, all those

691
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 3: things will never be like even sniffed again, I don't

692
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 3: think so. They're all unbelievable. I don't think I could

693
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: pick one, but the mad cut streak is unbelievable. I mean,

694
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 3: the guy, when he's healthy, he knows he has the

695
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 3: knacks to make the cut and get into contention. Like,

696
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 3: you know, he's that good, he's that special of a player.

697
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: So if he's healthy, he's not he's not gonna be

698
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 3: missing cuts. Let's just put it that way.

699
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Good, It's crazy to think that, Like during that streak,

700
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: his worst weeks, we're like twenty Yeah.

701
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he's just, it's crazy, better than everybody else.

702
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 3: But you know, now he's when he's playing his best

703
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: and he's healthy, I still think he's just as good,

704
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 3: if not better than everybody you know, of those top

705
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 3: echelon players. So yeah, he'll he'll make he'll make a

706
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: bunch of cuts.

707
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. So this one's from old Tom. Shout

708
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: out to uh Saint Andrews here. But who do you

709
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: wish to work with splash do the construction of the

710
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 1: Buck Club?

711
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 3: Uh self? Yeah, and probably my dad more than anybody.

712
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 3: But I mean, if a like, if a big time

713
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 3: architect wanted to get involved, I mean I would be

714
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 3: open to to working with you know some of those guys,

715
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 3: you know, the Doaks or the core Crenchshaws. I would

716
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 3: just have to make sure that I do the greens.

717
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this one's from Tony Beer. Another architecture nut.

718
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: To what extent do PGA two or players notice consider

719
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: evaluate course design and can they explain why courses good

720
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: or bad?

721
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I only know of a

722
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 3: handful of guys really out there that really like talk

723
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: about it or even bring it up and stuff like that.

724
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 3: I know, Johnson Wagner is a guy who I've you know,

725
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 3: spoken to throughout rounds, and I remember playing with him

726
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 3: at the Barclays this year, and I mean the guy

727
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 3: shot like sixty two or sixty one or something like

728
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 3: that in the whole round. We were talking about, you know,

729
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: golf course architecture and stuff like that. But I mean,

730
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: I think there's a handful of people out there that

731
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: appreciate it and get it. And then I mean, I

732
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: think there's a big chunk of guys that, you know,

733
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 3: they don't really pay too much attention to it. They

734
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 3: just you know, go about their business. And each of

735
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 3: those is fine, but I'm not really too sure.

736
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: Okay, this is kind of along the same lines. Why

737
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: don't you think more pros are publicly expressive about architecture.

738
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: And this is from Drew ned Zsky ned Vinsky.

739
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, again the same thing. I feel like, you know,

740
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 3: there's a handful of guys out here that do openly

741
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: talk about it and express like what they think. And

742
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: then I think there's a big chunk of guys that

743
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: really don't care, you know, they just have other interests,

744
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 3: which I think.

745
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: I think it mirrors the general population of golfers.

746
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, for sure.

747
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 2: It's all right.

748
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: So we we covered uh half of Chris's question here,

749
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: which is what courses are on your bucket list? What's

750
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: your favorite uh cev Rainer Banks template hole?

751
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 3: Oh man, I don't know if I could answer that,

752
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: because I like a lot of them. Yeah, I really

753
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: like you know, Radan's and virus is. I will say, however,

754
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 3: the alp like you see at Fisher's Island and stuff

755
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 3: like that could probably be my favorite hole though in

756
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 3: the world. I just think it's exciting and fun and

757
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 3: it's uh, you know, you can hit a bad shot

758
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: and get super lucky. You can hit a good shot

759
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,959
Speaker 3: and just have a turnout average, So that ALP's punch

760
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: bowl or even a punch bowl in general, I guess

761
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 3: I think you're pretty awesome.

762
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, punch bowls are pretty cool. It's so they're kind

763
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: of making a comeback. I know the drainage is always

764
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: an issue with them, but now as you see more

765
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: modern architects creating them. I played a if you're out

766
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: in Philly, I played this cool girl hands course called Applebrook.

767
00:41:58,520 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 3: Apple Brook.

768
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had this really cool short part for it

769
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: was like three hundred yards and it was like an

770
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: Alps punch bowl.

771
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: It was a blind green.

772
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: And you know it had you know, big mounting bunkers

773
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 1: that you know protected the front at like two sixty

774
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: and then this great punch bowl green.

775
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: It was.

776
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: It was one of It was one of the cooler

777
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: holes that I played on the year, just from like

778
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: a you.

779
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: Know, fun to play hole.

780
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Southampton has it's a rainer course up in

781
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 3: the Hampton has.

782
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

783
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: I'm sure he got the idea from that whole. It

784
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: sounds exactly the same.

785
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty good one.

786
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 7: Yeah all right, So this one's from Buck Walter and

787
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 7: he says, your best finish on the PGA tour came

788
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 7: at a rainer design coincidence or does a good architect

789
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 7: help your play.

790
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I I think it's just a good golf

791
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 3: course that makes you do a lot of good things.

792
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 3: So I would say his architectural features do encourage just

793
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 3: a solid, you know game from tee to green. Yeah,

794
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 3: we'll go with that. Shout out to back. He was

795
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: the one who helps me get the copy of The

796
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: Evangelical Golfer, So he's amazing.

797
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the probably the hardest book to find.

798
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty unbelievable.

799
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unreal.

800
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: Anybody can get their hands on it.

801
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 2: I highly recommend.

802
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: So if the US Open headed rota, like the Open

803
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: Championship across the pond, what courses do you think should

804
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: be in it?

805
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 4: Uh?

806
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: Well, I think Oakmont. I think Oakmont and Pebble should

807
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 3: be in it like every five or six years. I

808
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 3: just think they're extremely fun to watch, and I definitely

809
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 3: Oakmont should be in the rotation every five years. But

810
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: I mean, you got courses like you know, Shinnacock again,

811
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: who should probably get it every every few years. You know,

812
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 3: those courses like Tory Pines. It does a good job.

813
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 3: I think they had one a few years ago that

814
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: was pretty exciting. But man, my big ones, I just

815
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 3: looked at this last night. I hope Brookline does a

816
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 3: good job, because I think that's a really cool one.

817
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 3: Marion did a good job. But I think those those

818
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 3: those courses like Marion and the Country Club should probably

819
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 3: only get them every few years because they're just they're

820
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: you know, small, and they're probably not big enough for

821
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 3: what the US Open has kind of become. But you yeah,

822
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 3: I would love I love Best Page and I love Baltistral.

823
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 3: I think Baltistrall and Best Page should get it more frequently.

824
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: I don't think Best Page or I don't know if

825
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: either of them will get them anytime soon. It looks

826
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 3: like the kind of the PGA's kind of snagged both

827
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 3: of those sites. But those are really good ones. There's

828
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 3: I think there's definitely a there's a good, solid group

829
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 3: of about fifteen courses. I think they should ever go

830
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 3: anywhere else Beside those fifteen courses, I don't think, you know,

831
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: I don't think Chambers it should go back there. I

832
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 3: don't think I think it will, but I don't think

833
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 3: it should. I would rather see it at Oakmont every

834
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: year before I see it at you know, Chambers Day. Yeah,

835
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 3: I feel like Oakmont a lot of people like watching

836
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 3: the US Open there for some reason. It's just you know,

837
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 3: it's brutal and at the same time, like this year,

838
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 3: you saw when it rained, people were eating it up.

839
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: So I think you can play that course a lot

840
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 3: of different ways. You don't have to be a bomber.

841
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 3: There's a lot of holes under three hundred yards, but

842
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 3: they can get rough up and they can get the

843
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 3: greens crazy fast and crazy firm. So that's probably the

844
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 3: one that sticks out more than any other one in

845
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 3: my mind. And then I did play Shinnecock earlier this year,

846
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: and the stuff they've done to redo that place I

847
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 3: think are going to be really really exciting for the

848
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 3: for the Open.

849
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think.

850
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to like, yeah, to talk about golf courses,

851
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: but I think the ultimate ultimate defense.

852
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: Anywhere has got to be firm and.

853
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: Fast and if it rains, if you know, you guys

854
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: are just too good to not, you know, you're going

855
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: to eat up almost anywhere.

856
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Yeah, you see it every week. You know,

857
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter how long the course is, how long,

858
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: the rough is, how long anything is, the rains, the

859
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 3: guys play it well. Another course that I would like

860
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 3: I would love to see Riviera get a get a

861
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: US Open, and then I'm excited to see the US

862
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 3: Open at La North. That's one of my favorite courses

863
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: in the world, so I'll be really excited to see

864
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 3: that in a few years.

865
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: I know Rivs got the UF fan this year or

866
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: so that could be in the they do.

867
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

868
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, you know, I got to actually get my

869
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: indoor putting that out and start start grinding, and.

870
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 3: I need to get out there exactly. Yeah, wow, that'll

871
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 3: be really cool. That's a really that's a really cool

872
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 3: golf course, and I think it's it can be really

873
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: really challenging. But as you've seen the last two years

874
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: at the LA Open, it's poured rain the first you know,

875
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 3: Wednesday night and Thursday, and the guys that eating it up.

876
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 3: So that just kind of that goes to show that

877
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 3: any golf course can kind of be uh can be

878
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 3: taken apart if the conditions are right.

879
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that place was one of my favorite courses I

880
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: played this year. It's just there's very few weak shots

881
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: on it. The par threes are really unique and interesting.

882
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: I mean, that's spoors gotta be out there, it's got

883
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: to be one of the best for dan holes in golf.

884
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty cool one, huh.

885
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

886
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 3: The problem is this the last couple of years, Like

887
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 3: I said, it's rained so bad that that you just

888
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 3: you can't play it quite the way you'd want to play.

889
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 3: It seems to always be right in between clubs, and

890
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 3: so when you have to hit a shot at the

891
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: ten instead of playing it off the side, it just

892
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 3: kind of takes away a little bit from the hole.

893
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 3: That's a course where I've talked to a lot of people.

894
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: I would like to see that course with no rough.

895
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 3: I would like to see the whole thing be fair

896
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 3: with cut because the rough really isn't rough because it

897
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 3: just fits right on top every time that I've played it.

898
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 3: And then it also but it is just long enough

899
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 3: to kind of stop balls from going into the trees

900
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So that'd be a cool course.

901
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 3: I think if the whole golf course was fair way cut,

902
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 3: and you know, you could probably hit balls that ran

903
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 3: out a little and got into some trouble, I think

904
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 3: that would be a pretty unique place because it looked

905
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 3: like it used to kind of be like that.

906
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you look at old ariels, there were a

907
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: lot less trees, and I mean everywhere I think was

908
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: a lot There was just so much less rough on

909
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 1: almost every golf course.

910
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

911
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: So this one's from Ghosts of Hogan.

912
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: The biggest surprise about the tour.

913
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: So far. To get surprised about the tour, yeah, I'd

914
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 3: probably just say how nice everybody is. You know, how

915
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: nice all the guys are. You know, whether you your

916
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 3: stuff in the media about certain players, you know, everybody,

917
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 3: the perception of how people are gonna be. And I

918
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 3: just think, after you know, a couple of years out here,

919
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 3: just seeing how genuinely nice all the guys are to

920
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 3: each other, and you know, how good everybody gets a

921
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 3: lot and basically.

922
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the lot of camaraderie. It seems like everybody

923
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: that works for the.

924
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 2: Tour is really nice too.

925
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 3: For the moment, Yeah exactly. Yeah, everything kind of associated

926
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 3: with the to learn they do a pretty good job.

927
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 3: So it's nice to be out there.

928
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 4: So you know.

929
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: You also asked why why the dancing season when putting.

930
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 3: I couldn't really tell you. It's just how I've always been.

931
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 3: I guess it kind of. I don't really read puts

932
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 3: too much, so I think it's just kind of my

933
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 3: way of kind of feeling it out, seeing you know,

934
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 3: what the break's doing around around the ball.

935
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

936
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 1: Well, so then we have a bunch of interesting ones

937
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: here from Zak Johnson or Nick Johnson, not Zack Cheeze.

938
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 2: And they're kind of like a rapid fire.

939
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: So these are all so all these are based off.

940
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: Of tour courses. So okay, best t shot on tour.

941
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 3: I would probably say eighteen at Pebble. That's pretty cool one.

942
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 3: It's kind of like almost like a holy type ceiling

943
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 3: out there. It's pretty awesome.

944
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't really go wrong with that one.

945
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: Best green green complex.

946
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 3: Well, we didn't get to play it last year, but

947
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 3: hopefully we'll be back this year. But number three, the

948
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 3: beer is green at the Greenbrier's probably one of my

949
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 3: favorite green complexes or holes you know, throughout the year.

950
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 3: So that's pretty good.

951
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: One is the best single hole you know, from a

952
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, entire hole. What's your think the best hole

953
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: on tour.

954
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 3: Risk I would probably say seventeen at Stagrass just because

955
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 3: of all the aspects of it. You know, you got

956
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 3: the huge crowd, it's a neat little hole. It's challenging,

957
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 3: but if you hit a good shot, you know you're

958
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: gonna make it two. And it's kind of one of

959
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 3: those holes you're thinking about the entire round, whether guys

960
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 3: admitted or not. You know, from the time you get there,

961
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 3: you're thinking, where's the tin hat, what's wind is it?

962
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 3: You know what kind of club am I going to

963
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,439
Speaker 3: be hitting? And you see a lot of drama there.

964
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 3: So I think that's the best ulsay probably all year.

965
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it's a great interpretation of McDonald's short

966
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 1: it's hit.

967
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 2: It or else.

968
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, that's pretty good.

969
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 2: So best three hole stretch.

970
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 3: Best three whole stretch, oh Man sixteen seventeen eighteen at

971
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 3: Stagrass are pretty good too. I think that's a really

972
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 3: cool you know, it gives you a chance to score

973
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 3: and at the same time people occasionally as well, So

974
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 3: that one's pretty good.

975
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, lots of risk reward.

976
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, from die So best front nine.

977
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 3: Best front nine, I don't know, God, there was so

978
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 3: many that that are. I don't know if I could

979
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: give you nine the best front nine. I don't know

980
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 3: if I could even give you the best course. They're

981
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 3: all pretty there's a lot of good ones. So I'm

982
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 3: going to plead the sint on that one.

983
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna assume you're going to say the

984
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: same for the best back nine or is there one

985
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: back nine that's just awesome?

986
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, I wish somebody would have given me choices

987
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 3: to choose from, because I probably would have been better

988
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,959
Speaker 3: at that best back nine. I feel like I should

989
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 3: at least be But the answer this man, the back

990
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 3: nine at uh? The back nine? Dude, I don't even know.

991
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

992
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 3: There's a lot of good ones. I could probably give

993
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 3: you the best back nine of a not a tour course.

994
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 4: But let's hear that one.

995
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 3: The best back nine? What what's it called? I can't

996
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 3: even remember the course was named. I played it during

997
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 3: the during the PGA after I missed the cut. I

998
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 3: would probably say probably Somerset Hills. The back nine there

999
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 3: is pretty fun, it's pretty cool.

1000
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a course that flies under the radar.

1001
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 2: I haven't pat my god.

1002
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: Everything I've seen it's just spectacular.

1003
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I've been on the record saying that

1004
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 3: it's not for sure. I'm saying it's in the it's

1005
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 3: in the conversation for if you had one course to

1006
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 3: play for the rest of your life, just one, you know,

1007
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 3: you could pick one course that you had to play

1008
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 3: every round out the rest of your life. It would

1009
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 3: be in my discussion for that course, because it's just

1010
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's awesome, it's fun. You know, there's

1011
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 3: tons of different holes. It's just you know, it's extremely

1012
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 3: fun and challenging in some spots, but you're gonna make birdies.

1013
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 3: You know, the views are amazing, you know, some of

1014
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 3: those trees in the ball and then it's just cool.

1015
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 3: It's a cool little vibe out there.

1016
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tilling has used a lot of template holes out there.

1017
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 3: Yeah he did. They've kind of a yeah, that's a

1018
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 3: that's a really cool course. I really liked that. A

1019
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 3: lot of people are surprised when I say that, because

1020
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people like it kind of

1021
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 3: flies under the radar, like you said, And you know,

1022
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 3: some people I talk to and say that, they're like, what,

1023
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 3: you know, what is it. You're not going to say

1024
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 3: Augusta or Pebble Beach or something like that. And I mean, yeah,

1025
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: those courses would probably be in the equation, you know,

1026
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 3: in the conversation. But man, I had a good time

1027
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 3: out there this last time I played there, and it

1028
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 3: was in such good shape. You know, it plays the

1029
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 3: right way. It played firm and fast, and you know,

1030
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,479
Speaker 3: balls were rolling and you could play the ground game

1031
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 3: a little bit. And I think that kind of just

1032
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 3: goes into how much fun I had out there.

1033
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1034
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 2: I think it's one of those places.

1035
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: And you see there's a bunch of them all over

1036
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: the country, but it's a course where the membership knows

1037
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: how good their golf course is and they don't care

1038
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: if anybody else knows, you know, yeah, exactly. They're very

1039
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: content with their course, you know, yeah, being not talked

1040
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: about in them being the only ones in on the secret.

1041
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I mean that's the type of people that

1042
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 3: I want like at my course, you know what I mean.

1043
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 3: I mean I've been I've said it a bunch and

1044
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not afraid to say that some of

1045
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 3: the courses on the like top one hundred rankings, you know,

1046
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 3: I could name I could name so many courses that

1047
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 3: that should not be above Somerset Hills on that list.

1048
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 3: And you know, same with like Maids Down and some

1049
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 3: of the other courses, but they are and I think

1050
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 3: those type of clubs. I just think, like you said,

1051
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 3: the membership is like, we don't really care. We know

1052
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 3: that this place is unbelievable, and you know that's the

1053
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: type of people you need at your club.

1054
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: It's uh, That's what I say about Shore Acres is

1055
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: golf dig just has a number ninety nine, And I'm like,

1056
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: if there's ninety eight courses that are better than this

1057
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: in the country, like, you've got to be cat because

1058
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: I haven't found I've played, you know, a lot of

1059
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: great courses. I haven't found one that, like I could

1060
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: say it is better. You know, I think there are, yeah,

1061
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: on the same level, but I know that it's a

1062
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: lot better than a lot of the courses on there

1063
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: that I've played for sure. Yeah.

1064
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but bad but true.

1065
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: It is the It's I think it's almost impossible.

1066
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 3: To rank golf courses, you know, yeah.

1067
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 2: It's but it is possibly.

1068
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: I think you can put them into tears, you know

1069
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: where exactly.

1070
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was just gonna say. You can

1071
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 3: kind of put them in you know, a B but

1072
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 3: tough to rank him.

1073
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's but hey, I really appreciate you coming on

1074
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: and giving us an hour of your time here today.

1075
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: You know, we'll best of luck in twenty seventeen and

1076
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully we'll have you on again after a

1077
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: win or you know, something really good.

1078
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, anytime. Enjoyed it. Thanks for having me.

1079
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. For anybody that doesn't follow Zach, it's

1080
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: one of the best Twitter followers. If you're in the

1081
00:58:55,120 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: PGA Tour golf and golf course architecture, I'll put his

1082
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: Twitter link and.

1083
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: The podcast.

1084
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: Page as well as the Buff Club. So thanks a

1085
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: lot Zach for coming on and we'll talk to you soon.

1086
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, no problem, buche Bye see