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Speaker 3: Welcome in episode forty one of What's Right with Nick Wright,
Speaker 3: the podcast and YouTube show. We really appreciate you guys
Speaker 3: subscribing and rating and reviewing the show on all platforms.
Speaker 3: Today's show is going to be a little different. We
Speaker 3: have some very serious topics to discuss with the Deshaun
Speaker 3: Watson news coming down a few hours before we recorded.
Speaker 3: We have a very somber topic to discuss right off
Speaker 3: the top of the show with the passing of Bill Russell,
Speaker 3: and we have what is unquestionably going to be the
Speaker 3: single greatest moment up to this point of One Demons
Speaker 3: Bird's life. Having won a ten thousand dollars wager from
Speaker 3: me that has to be paid in cash in full
Speaker 3: before the end of today's show, there is one slight problem.
Speaker 3: I do not have the ten thousand dollars in full
Speaker 3: on me. However, don't give me that.
Speaker 4: Look, you don't have it.
Speaker 3: I don't have Listen, we will decius, we will get
Speaker 3: to that before the end of the show. I have
Speaker 3: a solid amount of money in my pocket. Okay, I
Speaker 3: promise before the end of today's show you will hold
Speaker 3: more money than you've ever held at one point in time.
Speaker 3: It's not the full ten thousand, though. We'll explain and
Speaker 3: we'll see what you think the proper remedies are. Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: all right, so we'll get to that. We're gonna talk
Speaker 3: about regular sports stuff. We'll do all our regular show. However,
Speaker 3: we can't really do the actual regular show because we
Speaker 3: need to start with this. So before we even get
Speaker 3: to what we're not getting into or our regular a bloc,
Speaker 3: I of course want to talk about Bill Russell, not
Speaker 3: only the greatest winner in the history of sports, but
Speaker 3: a true civil rights icon who passed away Sunday at
Speaker 3: the age of eighty eight. So the Bill Russell off
Speaker 3: the court life is a remarkable one. The first black
Speaker 3: head coach in major American sports man, who was born
Speaker 3: in the thirties in Louisiana, moved north and dealt with
Speaker 3: racism and bigotry and attacks every step of the way.
Speaker 3: A man who I think not coincidentally, after his time
Speaker 3: in Boston and some of this stuff, demands say, I'm sure,
Speaker 3: and this is no shade here, you're unaware of it.
Speaker 3: While he was winning championships in Boston, he had his
Speaker 3: house broken into, they broke his trophies, They in his bed.
Speaker 3: They when he would go on the road, he had
Speaker 3: his his daughter wrote about how he would have his
Speaker 3: garbage cans every single time tipped over, and that he
Speaker 3: went to the police and said this has to stop,
Speaker 3: and the cops like, must be raccoons, and so he said, okay,
Speaker 3: then I want a gun permit. And then all of
Speaker 3: a sudden it stopped, and not coincidentally, I don't think
Speaker 3: Bill Russell then moved, I think, to the geographic opposite
Speaker 3: of Boston. He moved to an island off the coast
Speaker 3: of Seattle called Mercer Island. You could not get further
Speaker 3: away from Boston. And then he lived and he lived
Speaker 3: there for the better part of forty years. And he
Speaker 3: talked about how he you know, he played for his
Speaker 3: teammates his coach were at Arbach, but not for the fans.
Speaker 3: And listen, there is a tortured history in a lot
Speaker 3: of cities, but famously Boston, of their relationship with their
Speaker 3: black stars. Bob Coosey was a great player, Havlichek was
Speaker 3: a great player, Larry Bird was a great player. None
Speaker 3: of them were as great as Russell was. Yet there
Speaker 3: is to this day real questions about who the greatest
Speaker 3: Celtic was and that had to do with the fact
Speaker 3: that Bill Russell was a black man, a proud black man,
Speaker 3: and march right alongside Ali and King in the Civil
Speaker 3: Rights movie. And when Bill Russell, you know, was getting
Speaker 3: death threats and the family asked the FBI to help,
Speaker 3: what the FBI did was open a file on him
Speaker 3: that referred to him as an arrogant negro who would
Speaker 3: not sign autographs for white children. That's how the country,
Speaker 3: the city of Boston, the country as a whole, treated
Speaker 3: Bill Russell. Okay, So that is the very very short
Speaker 3: version of Bill Russell the activist. Bill Russell off the court.
Speaker 3: And by the way, Bill Russell signed up for Twitter
Speaker 3: in his eighties to send out a tweet supporting Colin Kaepernick.
Speaker 3: He never his first sweet ever was him kneeling. He
Speaker 3: never stopped the activism. I don't want to gloss over that,
Speaker 3: but all so, as interested and educated as I am
Speaker 3: on that part of his life, there are other people
Speaker 3: in longer form that can pay a better tribute to that.
Speaker 3: So I would like to for a moment here talk
Speaker 3: about Bill Russell the basketball player, because I think people
Speaker 3: know eight titles in a row. They know, eleven championships
Speaker 3: in thirteen years. I still think it under sells how
Speaker 3: utterly dominant he was. One of the reasons I did
Speaker 3: my list the way I did it, the fifty best
Speaker 3: of the last fifty is not only because you can't
Speaker 3: get film and you can barely get fully accurate full
Speaker 3: box scores of those games in the late fifties and
Speaker 3: throughout the sixties, but also because Bill Russell causes a
Speaker 3: problem for any ranking, because if we agree the goal
Speaker 3: of team sports is to win, then what do you
Speaker 3: do with a guy who lapped the field a couple
Speaker 3: times over when it comes to winning. And it wasn't
Speaker 3: just the eleven championships, it's that he never lost a
Speaker 3: do or die game in his basketball life. You hear
Speaker 3: this stat thrown around, but I want to emphasize it.
Speaker 3: Then we will go through the Bill Russell basketball life
Speaker 3: quickly and then move on to the show Bill Russell
Speaker 3: in the NCAA Tournament, in the Olympics and in Game
Speaker 3: sevens of the NBA or Door Die Game fives of
Speaker 3: the NBA. In this five game series played twenty one
Speaker 3: games where the winner advances and the loser goes home.
Speaker 3: College Olympics and the Pros. His teams were twenty one
Speaker 3: and zero in those twenty one games. He got to
Speaker 3: the University of San Francisco and within a year Sports
Speaker 3: Illustrated wrote an article saying that college basketball might have
Speaker 3: to change the rules because of him, and they did.
Speaker 3: A year later, they widened the lane to try to
Speaker 3: minimize his defensive impact. He then went on a fifty
Speaker 3: five game collegiate winning streak, winning two national championships. He
Speaker 3: then won the goal in the Olympics. He then gets
Speaker 3: to Boston and this is where we're going too, similar
Speaker 3: to how we have on our NBA list, go year
Speaker 3: by year, but I will do it quickly. Built this
Speaker 3: Boston Celtics had Bob Goozi already. He was about to
Speaker 3: win League MVP. They had never made a finals. They
Speaker 3: made the finals the first ten years of Russell's career.
Speaker 3: They made the finals twelve of the thirteen years he played.
Speaker 3: So his very first year in the league Game seven
Speaker 3: NBA Finals against the at that moment best player in basketball,
Speaker 3: Bob Pettitt, he has nineteen points and thirty two rebounds
Speaker 3: in a two point double overtime win. The next year,
Speaker 3: they are playing Pettit in the finals again, Russell springs
Speaker 3: his ankle Missus game four, Missus Game five, is a
Speaker 3: shell of himself, barely plays. In game six, Pettitt hangs
Speaker 3: fifty on him and Russell. If you listen to Bill Simmons,
Speaker 3: still bitter about that, says I was injured, So how
Speaker 3: did you respond? Only won eight championships in a row.
Speaker 3: But what's amazing about when you hear eight titles in
Speaker 3: a row? You think, oh my god, they were just
Speaker 3: far and away better than everyone. But the thing is
Speaker 3: they weren't. They were close games in seven game series
Speaker 3: fifty nine to get to the finals. They're in a
Speaker 3: game seven against Syracuse and my old landlord in college.
Speaker 3: Believe it or not, well, dlphshas whose son Danny shaves
Speaker 3: people maybe remember, Probably not Dahlsha's a great player. Russell
Speaker 3: beats him by five in a game seven. Then they
Speaker 3: sweep the Minneapolis Lakers, and Mike is Mike and still
Speaker 3: on that Lakers team. I think he is. I gotta
Speaker 3: double check that they sweep the Oh you know, Miken's
Speaker 3: not sowing the Lakers, see my apologies, but Elgin Baylor is.
Speaker 3: And they sweep them to win the title. That's Championship
Speaker 3: number two. The next year, he beats Wilt in the
Speaker 3: to get to the conference finals or to get to
Speaker 3: the finals, and then in the NBA Finals plays Bob
Speaker 3: Pettitt again a game seven, has a twenty two point
Speaker 3: thirty five rebound game to win title number three. The
Speaker 3: very next year, he's in the finals against Bob Pettitt again.
Speaker 3: This one doesn't go seven in five, they win. He
Speaker 3: has a thirty point thirty eight rebound game to win
Speaker 3: ring number four. The very next year, he plays Wilt
Speaker 3: in a game seven to get to the finals, beats
Speaker 3: them by two. In the finals, plays Jerry West. It's
Speaker 3: a game seven. That game seven goes to overtime. Russell
Speaker 3: plays all fifty three minutes, has thirty points and forty
Speaker 3: rebounds to.
Speaker 4: Reach These rebulds are crazy.
Speaker 3: They played a super fast paced and missed a lot
Speaker 3: of shots. They're still insane. That's ring number five. The
Speaker 3: very next year, there's another game seven to get to
Speaker 3: the finals. This is against Oscar Robertson in Cincinnati. He
Speaker 3: of course wins with a twenty and twenty four and
Speaker 3: then they win the title against the Lakers. Poor Jerry
Speaker 3: West at this time in six. That is ring number six.
Speaker 3: That is five in a row. The next year, it's
Speaker 3: nice and easy. They win the title in five. That's
Speaker 3: ring number six. The very next year, they're playing Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: It's a game seven. Philadelphia, of course has Wilt Chamberlain.
Speaker 3: Russell wins that game seven to get to the finals
Speaker 3: by one point, playing all forty eight minutes against Wilt
Speaker 3: and holding Wilt if you will, to thirty, which back
Speaker 3: in the day, holding Wilt to thirty is a hell
Speaker 3: of an accomplishment. They then beat the Lakers again, poor
Speaker 3: Lakers in the finals. He has a twenty and thirty
Speaker 3: to win that title. I've lost track. I think that's
Speaker 3: rings seven and six in a row. The very next year,
Speaker 3: they have an easy one. They win the title. Oh no,
Speaker 3: they get to the title easily. But another game seven,
Speaker 3: another game against the Lakers, another time Jerry West is
Speaker 3: so close. They win Game seven by two points. He
Speaker 3: has twenty five points and thirty two rebounds. That is
Speaker 3: I want to make sure I have this right. That
Speaker 3: is title. That is title number nine. No, maybe maybe
Speaker 3: I'm confused. I've lost track at this point. That is yeah,
Speaker 3: that is that is title number nine eight in a row.
Speaker 3: The next year they lose before the finals, will and
Speaker 3: the Sixers get them in the conference finals. So you
Speaker 3: know what happens. He becomes player coach and they win
Speaker 3: two more rings. How do they win those two more rings?
Speaker 3: They beat Bought, They beat Philly in a game seven
Speaker 3: by four points, and then to get to the finals,
Speaker 3: and then they beat the Lakers and six and then
Speaker 3: his final year in the league, in the final game,
Speaker 3: he'll ever play another game seven against the Los Angeles
Speaker 3: Lakers that they win by two. So the reason I
Speaker 3: say all that is it's not just that he won
Speaker 3: five MVPs and did all that winning. It's also it
Speaker 3: is impossible to look at how close those games were
Speaker 3: and the fact that he never came out on the
Speaker 3: short end of it and come to any conclusion other
Speaker 3: than he understood what it took for his team to
Speaker 3: win better than any athlete we've ever seen. So again,
Speaker 3: that was And by the way, his athletic career was
Speaker 3: not the most important part of his life. It was
Speaker 3: the off the court stuff. But on the court, pardon
Speaker 3: me ear muff, kids, that was a bad mother man.
Speaker 3: The guy came to college was a track star, learning basketball,
Speaker 3: and as soon as he picked it up a little bit,
Speaker 3: won two national championships, then an Olympic gold medal. Then
Speaker 3: in a thirteen year NBA career, made the finals twelve times,
Speaker 3: won eleven rings, and the one time he didn't win
Speaker 3: in the finals, he missed two and a half games
Speaker 3: with injury. An all time all timer by any measure,
Speaker 3: the great and incomparable Bill Russell. All right, so there's
Speaker 3: the Bill Russell portion of the show. Now to the
Speaker 3: regular show. That will not quite be a regular show,
Speaker 3: but we will do our best today. Here's what is
Speaker 3: not on today's show. What is not on did not
Speaker 3: make the cut for today's show is Pallo on Caro
Speaker 3: dropping fifty in a pro am these listen, I love
Speaker 3: the crossover like everybody else. That's Jamal Crawford's little pro
Speaker 3: am thing. Your guy up in Seattle. Crossover. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: spells it like his last name. He calls it the crossover.
Speaker 3: He puts it all in the tournament. But these, these
Speaker 3: these NBA guys playing in pro ams not that impressed,
Speaker 3: to be honest. He includes Lebron whatever he did at
Speaker 3: the Drew League. Draymond wants more money and a one
Speaker 3: point two eight billion dollar Mega Millions jackpot win.
Speaker 4: Not going to get like six hundred million though, I
Speaker 4: like seven hundred maybe only taxed out that it gets
Speaker 4: taxed like crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean, what's the point really if you're
Speaker 3: only having seven hundred million?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, I'm not one of those guys six
Speaker 4: hundred more.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean you are kind of one of
Speaker 3: those guys, because but you're listen, I get it, you're
Speaker 3: feeling yourself. You're about to have ten thousand dollars in
Speaker 3: your pocket.
Speaker 4: You feel like seven Yeah, you're onto it.
Speaker 3: You might have had a little spoiler alert there. Okay, demons,
Speaker 3: all right now we must we must gain our bosure
Speaker 3: because we have another serious topic to discuss. The Deshaun
Speaker 3: Watson situation go ahead.
Speaker 4: An independent NFL Disciplinary officer, Judge Suo Robinson decided Deshaun
Speaker 4: Watson was guilty of violating the NFL Contact Policy yep,
Speaker 4: but she only called for a six game suspension YEPH.
Speaker 4: The NFLPA says the league should accept the independent ruling
Speaker 4: and move on without any appeals. But if you go
Speaker 4: strictly by Twitter reactions, yeah, it seems like six games
Speaker 4: isn't isn't enough? The commissioner could step in in the
Speaker 4: next three days and extend the time. Yep, should he?
Speaker 3: I think he should, and I think he will. So
Speaker 3: this is kind of We're gonna do an all encompass,
Speaker 3: all encompassing Dashaun Watson discussion here. First of all, I
Speaker 3: want to talk about where I think I have failed
Speaker 3: on this, and I don't think I'm the only one
Speaker 3: in the media, but I will speak for myself. I
Speaker 3: think one of the reason reasons there was not as
Speaker 3: much public outrage as there should have been when it
Speaker 3: comes to more than two dozen women accusing Deshaun Watson
Speaker 3: of some really heinous stuff is because it was so
Speaker 3: uncomfortable and awkward and embarrassing to discuss. I think a
Speaker 3: lot of us in the media, myself included, particularly on television,
Speaker 3: chose the path of least resistance, which is at let's
Speaker 3: talk about something else, Because if you are talking about
Speaker 3: some if you're talking about a guy masturbating ejaculating on
Speaker 3: women without their consent, you know, trying to force them
Speaker 3: or cajole them into sexual acts, and doing it repeatedly
Speaker 3: and repeatedly and repeatedly across more than two dozen women
Speaker 3: where you read that the Texans kind of had a
Speaker 3: set up for him where he had a club membership,
Speaker 3: and the all of it is so grotesque and so
Speaker 3: uncomfortable that it wasn't like, here's a video of someone
Speaker 3: committing an act of violence, we can all discuss it.
Speaker 3: So because of that, I don't think it got the
Speaker 3: general attention it deserved initially. So that's where I failed,
Speaker 3: And I you know, I don't think I'm the only one,
Speaker 3: but I'll speak for myself where I think I failed
Speaker 3: in regards to this. Now, as far as what is
Speaker 3: the appropriate punishment, I think I said on the show
Speaker 3: this show a long time ago that I don't think
Speaker 3: this is one you can split the baby on, And
Speaker 3: by that I mean I felt like the independent arbitrator,
Speaker 3: Judge Suel Robinson almost had to come down on zero
Speaker 3: games or a season plus years. Yeah, because it is
Speaker 3: very difficult for me to rationalize the idea of I
Speaker 3: believe you did this, and I believe you deserve less
Speaker 3: than one of the most punitive suspensions in NFL history.
Speaker 3: But it seems like that is exactly what she did.
Speaker 3: That and some of her quotes, according to Tom Pelisarrow.
Speaker 4: She was saying, like, hell, it wasn't violent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought the whole Tom Pelisarrow reported on Twitter
Speaker 3: on Monday, and by the way, again, it's possible by
Speaker 3: the time you guys hear this, the NFL announces that
Speaker 3: it is appealing, and we'll talk about that process in
Speaker 3: a moment. But as of right now, the NFL has
Speaker 3: said nothing about this. There are some very very awkward
Speaker 3: and odd quotes from the judge. She says his pattern
Speaker 3: of behavior was egregious, but says the behavior was quote
Speaker 3: non violent sexual conduct.
Speaker 4: Well, guys like Calvin Ridley, I got a full season
Speaker 4: for making parlay bets while he wasn't even playing well.
Speaker 3: So and I want to get I want to get
Speaker 3: to the of course, and I want to get to
Speaker 3: that part in a moment, because that is a bit
Speaker 3: apples and oranges, but it's what people's brains are naturally
Speaker 3: going to go to. But I want to say I
Speaker 3: fundamentally disagree with what the judge said that this was nonviolent. Now.
Speaker 3: I just I feel like there are different forms of violence,
Speaker 3: and I feel like if someone.
Speaker 4: Is like emotional violence almost.
Speaker 3: Well, and I would say I believe the women in
Speaker 3: this case, and I want to talk more about that
Speaker 3: in a moment as well. I believe someone ejaculating on
Speaker 3: you without your consent is violent. I think that is
Speaker 3: a violent act. There's violence, is not always punching someone
Speaker 3: in the face. Now, I also want to say this,
Speaker 3: and this is again why I think people have been
Speaker 3: hesitant to discuss this on television or in short sound bites,
Speaker 3: because you don't want to be misquoted, you don't want
Speaker 3: to be partially quoted. So I believe it is incredibly
Speaker 3: important that our criminal justice system has a massively high
Speaker 3: burden of proof. That innocent until proven guilty remains the standard,
Speaker 3: and that reasonable doubt in order to clear that threshold,
Speaker 3: it needs to be as high of a bar as
Speaker 3: possible in order to cage a human being, in order
Speaker 3: to send someone to jail at a prison, in order
Speaker 3: to deny someone that they're liberty. I think that standard
Speaker 3: is what it should be. That does not mean that
Speaker 3: must be the standard for what I believe happened. And
Speaker 3: so whether or not I, on a jury, could convict
Speaker 3: to Sean Watson on any of these individual cases, it
Speaker 3: does not have to me much of anything to do
Speaker 3: with the fact that I believe, without a shadow of
Speaker 3: a doubt, that he is guilty of what many, if
Speaker 3: not all, of these women are accusing him. It is
Speaker 3: a logical impossibility that more than two dozen women, many
Speaker 3: of whom did not file a single lawsuit, had nothing
Speaker 3: to gain from this, would allege this behavior and have
Speaker 3: it what just be a massive conspiracy to what end,
Speaker 3: to what gain for the women, particularly who have no
Speaker 3: skin in the game when it comes to the lawsuit.
Speaker 4: He just also, he doesn't really seem to have like
Speaker 4: the demeanor of somebody that didn't do what he did.
Speaker 4: I've seen like conferences held and stuff, and it just
Speaker 4: kind of.
Speaker 3: The whole thing seems there is no part of me
Speaker 3: that's like he's innocent. There's no part of me. So again,
Speaker 3: my opinion is just my opinion on it. But I
Speaker 3: think anyone that follows this story, that reads the lawsuit,
Speaker 3: that reads the testimonials that Jenny Brintis has acquired those things,
Speaker 3: I find it impossible to come away with the conclusion
Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson was set up. Okay, So if we can
Speaker 3: acknowledge that he did at least some, if not all,
Speaker 3: of this, now we get to what demands was alluding
Speaker 3: to the others suspensions. So Miles Garrett got six games
Speaker 3: for an on field fight when he conked Mason Rudolph
Speaker 3: on the head with his own helmet. Michael Kendricks got
Speaker 3: eight games for insiders stock trading, right, Deshaun's former teammate
Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins got six games for a trace amount of
Speaker 3: peds in a system, and Calvin Ridley got a season
Speaker 3: for on a game he wasn't playing. Now, what some
Speaker 3: would say, and they would not be wrong, is the
Speaker 3: difference between certainly the DeAndre Hopkins PDS and the Calvin
Speaker 3: Ridley thing is those are black and white rules. If
Speaker 3: you test positive, you get this many games. If you
Speaker 3: bet on a game, you get this many games. I
Speaker 3: get that, but the optics of it are horrified.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Deshaun Watson's one is like a huge morality issue.
Speaker 4: Of course, nearly on the same level.
Speaker 3: Correct, And I would argue that if Deshaun Watson was
Speaker 3: caught on video punching one woman, he would have gotten
Speaker 3: at least this, if not more. The fact that it's
Speaker 3: not video, and so there is the question, I guess
Speaker 3: you could argue the question of did he do it
Speaker 3: or not? And in the court of public opinion, which
Speaker 3: I think is going to sway to he should get
Speaker 3: a longer suspension. However, there will be some folks who, well,
Speaker 3: how do I say this, I just say what I think.
Speaker 3: I'll just just be totally transparent with you.
Speaker 4: Guys.
Speaker 3: There are there are some men that will never believe
Speaker 3: women under any circumstances, that will just always be of
Speaker 3: the ah that that son of a gun setting them up. Right,
Speaker 3: there are another group of men that, or people, I
Speaker 3: should say, not just men, people that look at massage
Speaker 3: therapists as sex workers and nothing more and nothing less,
Speaker 3: and that Okay, yeah, these these women knew what they
Speaker 3: were signing up for and knew and I do understand
Speaker 3: that there are certain massage venues in America where sex
Speaker 3: work is part of what everyone is signing up for
Speaker 3: in that. But this this wasn't that. This was finding
Speaker 3: women on ig who say they're massuses and then putting
Speaker 3: them in positions that they did not want to be in.
Speaker 3: That's what I believe. And so now we get to
Speaker 3: what the NFL should do. Okay, I believe because of
Speaker 3: the optics, because the NFL wanted a year and only
Speaker 3: got six games. Because the judge didn't exactly split the middle.
Speaker 3: Deshaun's camp wanted zero, the NFL wanted a year. If
Speaker 3: maybe if the judge would have imposed eight or nine games,
Speaker 3: the NFL would have said, okay, you split the middle,
Speaker 3: will leave it alone. I think it is incumbent on
Speaker 3: the NFL to add to this suspension. And by the
Speaker 3: way the appeals process is it under the old CBA,
Speaker 3: there would be no judge suo Robinson, it would just
Speaker 3: be Goodell. Under the new CBA, there is the independent arbitrator,
Speaker 3: but then the appeals go to Goodell. So if Goodell
Speaker 3: in the League office decided they want to appeal, they're
Speaker 3: appealing to themselves. So there was then and then the
Speaker 3: only recourse to Shaun's camp would have is federal court.
Speaker 3: So that is what I think, And maybe by the
Speaker 3: time people hear this, I think this gets upped to
Speaker 3: eight or ten games. I don't think the I don't
Speaker 3: think I don't think the NFL is gonna do the
Speaker 3: full year, because then I think it sways in the
Speaker 3: other direction where it's like, well, you wanted a year.
Speaker 3: You went to this judge. The whole thing was you
Speaker 3: wanted the year to begin with, you have this independent
Speaker 3: arbitrator in place. She says six games, and now you're
Speaker 3: just gonna give him the full year. So the whole
Speaker 3: thing was a sham, right, But I think a year
Speaker 3: would have been totally fair. And I'm gonna say one
Speaker 3: other point.
Speaker 4: On this.
Speaker 3: If I'm in the league office. Part of my math
Speaker 3: on the penalty here is the fact that the Browns
Speaker 3: and Deshaun structured his contract in a way that baked
Speaker 3: in a suspension and made it so he would lose
Speaker 3: as little dollars as possible. So if people don't understand,
Speaker 3: when you're suspended, you lose that game check. Your game
Speaker 3: check is your salary divided by number of games. So
Speaker 3: it's a seventeen game season. If you make seventeen million,
Speaker 3: each game you make a million bucks. So if you're
Speaker 3: suspended six games, will lose six million on that salary.
Speaker 3: DeShawn this year is going to make forty six million dollars,
Speaker 3: but his salary is only seven hundred thousand of that.
Speaker 3: The rest is a signing bonus and roster bonus which
Speaker 3: cannot be clawed back due to suspension. So when you
Speaker 3: are he is going to lose less than three hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars as far as salary from all and that's intentional,
Speaker 3: and one can say that's a great job by his agent.
Speaker 3: So be it, however, that that is something. If I'm
Speaker 3: in the NFL, I'm not letting that stand.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: I'm imposing some massive fine in addition to the suspension.
Speaker 3: And I think that's what they're going to do, because
Speaker 3: what they don't want is the New York Times push
Speaker 3: alert that I got this morning, which said Deshaun Watson,
Speaker 3: Brown's quarterback who was accused of sexual misconduct by twenty
Speaker 3: four women, suspended six games by the NFL. They don't
Speaker 3: want the average fan that's not locked into every day
Speaker 3: I think that, Oh Goodell said this for six games,
Speaker 3: the NFL wanted to spend him a year. Okay, all right,
Speaker 3: So there's the Deshaun piece we already did along Bill Russell. Peace.
Speaker 3: And now to one of Demons's favorite topics before we
Speaker 3: wrap up our kind of somewhat yeah less than regular
Speaker 3: a block. What's our last topic?
Speaker 4: Michelson was he was heckled at the live golf of
Speaker 4: in a few days ago. Someone shouted do it for
Speaker 4: the Royal Saudi fan. Wait on the Saudi Oroal fan
Speaker 4: for Saudi Royal f family. Yeah, before he t eat off,
Speaker 4: Trump was in attendance, but Charles Barkley backed out of it.
Speaker 4: I don't even like talking regular golf, but now we're
Speaker 4: talking off brand golf. Yeah, you demanded we put this
Speaker 4: on the show. Why.
Speaker 3: Okay, here's why I want to put this on the show.
Speaker 3: And by the way, if you love me as a
Speaker 3: sports guy and you can't stand my political opinions, fast
Speaker 3: forward to the b block. Okay, because you're about to
Speaker 3: get some of them. As if you're like Nick, I
Speaker 3: love your lebron takes, but god dog it, I'm a
Speaker 3: died in the world trumper and if you say anything
Speaker 3: bad about him, I'll never go listen to you again.
Speaker 3: Then fast forward the pod because here's listen. I have
Speaker 3: not been judgmental on the live tour. I've said I
Speaker 3: might go work for him if they offered me enough money.
Speaker 3: That's not what this is what I The reason I
Speaker 3: wanted to mention this is because nothing bothers me more
Speaker 3: in politics than wanton, blatant hypocrisy. And I have had
Speaker 3: to listen to Josh Hawley and the Mote and the
Speaker 3: most conservative Republicans up to and including Donald Trump on
Speaker 3: NBA players for their relationship with China and for having
Speaker 3: games over there and Lebron's relationship with them, go after
Speaker 3: them saying, oh my god, you have this relationship with
Speaker 3: this oppressive regime. And by the way, China is a
Speaker 3: oppressive regime. And if you want to have that criticism, I,
Speaker 3: while I don't share it, I understand it. But the
Speaker 3: audacity for these same people who have gone after NBA
Speaker 3: players not because they give two damns about the human
Speaker 3: rights violations in China, but because nothing riles up their
Speaker 3: base like telling prominent rich black dudes to shut the
Speaker 3: hell up and sit down and know their place. For
Speaker 3: those people to stand on that soapbox for three years
Speaker 3: about the NBA players in China and not say a
Speaker 3: word when they're dear Leader, Donald Trump is supporting financially
Speaker 3: in in other ways every way possible. The live tour
Speaker 3: hosted in his course, he goes in attendance, him and
Speaker 3: Marjorie Taylor Green and the whole crew of them, and
Speaker 3: to just be like, Yeah, who's gonna call us on
Speaker 3: our ship? Well, listen, I guess me. It's just so
Speaker 3: it's just so laughable. And by the way, it's one
Speaker 3: of again the hypocrisy. I'm not a both sides guy,
Speaker 3: but I will say anybody that fervently defended the NBA's
Speaker 3: relationship with China and fervently has attacked the Live Tour
Speaker 3: for his relationship with the Saudi royal family, I think
Speaker 3: that's a little hypocritical as well. But that's not me.
Speaker 3: I've kind of steered clear of any of the criticism
Speaker 3: because I think we all, as I've said, for it's
Speaker 3: hard to be a moral capitalist, Okay, of a truly
Speaker 3: moral capitalist, I get it.
Speaker 4: But I seeing disgusting work there. See say it again,
Speaker 4: disgusting work there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, seeing the the just the grinning ex president, potentially
Speaker 3: future president yucking it up at the Live Tour after
Speaker 3: he spent the better part of the year taking every
Speaker 3: shot at NBA guys for their relationships with us. He
Speaker 3: would put it, China, it's just repulsive and the at
Speaker 3: least somebody, at least one person noticed the obvious hypocrisy there.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back having a lot more fun, a
Speaker 3: lot more lighthearted topics, and I'm gonna try to stiff
Speaker 3: demons out of a few thousand dollars. That's all next.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 3: Welcome back in What's right, Nick Wright. Segment number two
Speaker 3: of episode number one, Segment one was I think our
Speaker 3: longest a bloc ever, but with good reason. We had
Speaker 3: the passing of the great Bill Russell and we discussed
Speaker 3: his career. That Deshaun Watson's story broke a few hours
Speaker 3: before we went on the air, and I decided to
Speaker 3: get a you know, take a few political shots. But
Speaker 3: if you're joining back now joining us, especially if you
Speaker 3: skipped over the political part, don't worry about that. We
Speaker 3: now have straight sports talk, starting with I think my
Speaker 3: favorite topic to discuss in the world, which is why
Speaker 3: Lebron James is the goat. So go ahead, demons, take
Speaker 3: us there.
Speaker 4: You rank Kareem at number two in your top fifty
Speaker 4: to the last fifty years. Yep, it means that you
Speaker 4: have Lebron James at number one over Michael Jordan most
Speaker 4: notably but not surprisingly. Yeah, what would it take for
Speaker 4: somebody to did he throw in Lebron at number one? Okay,
Speaker 4: so the question all that, by the way before were
Speaker 4: I don't want to spoil too much rancor talk or whatever. No,
Speaker 4: that's fine. Would Lebron be number one if he didn't
Speaker 4: come back through one in that Golden State Series?
Speaker 3: No, okay, he wouldn't be. I mean well, I mean
Speaker 3: without are you asking if he had just won the
Speaker 3: title without being three to one or if.
Speaker 4: They know if they just lost that finals on top
Speaker 4: of him not coming back from the three one?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: No, no, he needed changes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that changed the landscape considerably, all right, and we'll
Speaker 3: talk about that on Sunday when people hear the Lebron episode.
Speaker 3: So of when people look at active players, does any
Speaker 3: active player of a chance of becoming the Goat? Let
Speaker 3: me start with Steph. The answer with Steph is no,
Speaker 3: he doesn't have enough time left, even if he wins
Speaker 3: a couple more championships. He's thirty, he's gonna be thirty
Speaker 3: four years old. He has become a more than passable
Speaker 3: defensive player, but he's never gonna have the two way
Speaker 3: impact that the Goat candidates have had and he had,
Speaker 3: and so Steph, Steph's ceiling is probably passing Kobe, passing Duncan.
Speaker 3: That's his ceiling. Okay, Then let me get to Luca.
Speaker 3: Luca's the most controversial person on the list. Number twenty
Speaker 3: on the list. Again, watch the Luca video. I explained it.
Speaker 3: There's president people, Luca has a chance to become the
Speaker 3: greatest offensive player ever, I do not, and I don't
Speaker 3: think he'll quite get there. But I do not think
Speaker 3: Luca has a chance to become the greatest player ever,
Speaker 3: because I even if he improves defensively, he's never There
Speaker 3: were various periods of time where Kareem, Michael and Lebron
Speaker 3: were the most devastating or the very close to the
Speaker 3: most devastating defensive players in basketball while being the best
Speaker 3: offensive players in basketball. So that leaves one guy who
Speaker 3: could do it, and that's Yannis yep. And I won't
Speaker 3: put a ceiling on where Jannis could get to because
Speaker 3: if Yiannis gets the accolades and the hardware and has
Speaker 3: the longevity that I think he will, his potential is
Speaker 3: of course to be the greatest player ever. I'm not
Speaker 3: I'm not predicting he becomes the greatest player ever, and
Speaker 3: but he we already saw him have one of the
Speaker 3: greatest finals performances ever. I believe they would have won
Speaker 3: the title this year if Middleton didn't get hurt. But
Speaker 3: we can't just give him an extra finals. I know
Speaker 3: you don't like to hear that, but I believe that
Speaker 3: they would have. And he is, in my opinion, for
Speaker 3: three consecutive years, been the single most impactful offensive and
Speaker 3: defensive player in basketball and so and I think he
Speaker 3: has the right disposition and all of that. So do
Speaker 3: am I predicting he will? I'm not predicting it. Is
Speaker 3: it on the board. It's on the board, and he's
Speaker 3: the only active player that it's on the board for.
Speaker 3: But Big Vic, Victor win Ban Yama or whim Ban
Speaker 3: wim Ban Yama. Pardon me, oh boy, the seven foot
Speaker 3: two inch French kid. Look out, yes, look out for
Speaker 3: Big Vic. But right now, Jannis is the guy. All right,
Speaker 3: what's next?
Speaker 4: All right? Training camp fights are nothing new, but franchise
Speaker 4: quarterbacks picking the fights is different. Josh Allen picked a
Speaker 4: fight with a six to six defensive tackle at six
Speaker 4: hundred pounds. These are the are These are totally the
Speaker 4: actions of somebody or a leader that's focused on beating
Speaker 4: the chiefs.
Speaker 3: Right. Hey, this is trying to set me up to
Speaker 3: take a shot at Josh Allen, and I won't do it.
Speaker 4: I think I'm not gonna say I think you should
Speaker 4: take a shot at Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: He's the quarterback.
Speaker 3: I don't, okay, but he's bigger than most of these guys.
Speaker 3: Second of all, I'm I.
Speaker 4: Wait, no, I'm not saying he's the quarterback so he
Speaker 4: shouldn't be picking fights with a defensive tackle. I'm just saying,
Speaker 4: like you're the quarterback, you're supposed to You're saying he's
Speaker 4: bigger than most of these guys, Like, all right, yeah,
Speaker 4: he could pick a fight because he might win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, that's what I'm saying. I think it'd be
Speaker 3: idiotic if it were Kyler. Okay's six six. I ain't
Speaker 3: get the I mean, what are we talking about here?
Speaker 3: That's first. Second of all, this is bait to try
Speaker 3: to get me to take shots at Josh Allen. I
Speaker 3: said after the Bills Chiefs Divisional round game. Josh Allen
Speaker 3: has my respect, and more than my respect, he has
Speaker 3: generated fear from me, and so I am not taking
Speaker 3: any more shots at him. I think Josh Awesome I
Speaker 3: have him right now, is the second best quarterback in football.
Speaker 3: I have totally come around. I am I flip flopped
Speaker 3: on Josh Allen one hundred percent and so no, I
Speaker 3: will not take shots at him. I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: mind the training camp fights and if anything that d
Speaker 3: tackle should maybe be cut. Oh my gosh, quarterback. You
Speaker 3: can't mess with the quarterback.
Speaker 4: No, that's you can't mess with the quarterback. But didn't
Speaker 4: he shoved him? I guess he hit him late at I.
Speaker 3: Don't, Yeah, he touched him late. You just can't do it.
Speaker 3: Just can't do it. Fella, that's franchised, all right, what's next?
Speaker 4: Uh? So?
Speaker 3: Cardinals?
Speaker 4: Cardinals have removed the independent study clause from Kyler Murray's
Speaker 4: contract after a backlash from every direction. Also related, Zion
Speaker 4: Williamson has a weigh in clause stating that he will
Speaker 4: lose some of his money if he exceeds a certain
Speaker 4: weight limit and body fat percentage. How do you feel
Speaker 4: about teams putting these condescending clauses in players contracts?
Speaker 3: Okay? I feel very differently about the Zion and the
Speaker 3: Kyler one.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: The Zion one I think is totally reasonable. I don't
Speaker 3: think it's condescending. I think it's that Hey, the Miami
Speaker 3: Heat famously used to have weekly weigh ins and if
Speaker 3: you had over a certain body fat, or you were
Speaker 3: over the weight you're supposed to be, they find you.
Speaker 3: This is a more punitive version of that. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: also think for Zion that this is trying to protected
Speaker 3: him from himself to a degree, and because it's I've
Speaker 3: never seen someone whose body in a short period of
Speaker 3: time can fluctuate so much between how he looks like.
Speaker 3: It looks like he can swing twenty pounds in one
Speaker 3: direction to the other in a week. I also would
Speaker 3: imagine this.
Speaker 4: Probably it just means that it's really easy for him
Speaker 4: to get.
Speaker 3: Big, easy for him to get big, which is what
Speaker 3: this is trying to protect against. I also, I don't
Speaker 3: know this, but I would imagine this went something like
Speaker 3: this that the pelican said we want because the clause
Speaker 3: is the following his weight plus his body fat percentage
Speaker 3: cannot exceed two hundred and ninety five. So my guess
Speaker 3: is the pelican said we don't want Zion ever above
Speaker 3: two seventy five, that we want him to be at
Speaker 3: two seven and his and they wanted to put that
Speaker 3: in there, and his agent almost assuredly pushed back, well,
Speaker 3: that's not fair, Like what if our guy just gets
Speaker 3: crazy jacked up and they said, okay, so all right, fine,
Speaker 3: So you want to play it too eighty like Lebron
Speaker 3: did one year, I believe you better have the Lebron
Speaker 3: type of body fat. You know what I mean? If
Speaker 3: you so, if you want to play it too eighty,
Speaker 3: it better be the leanest to eighty we've ever seen. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: if you're at two seventy, there's no way you're gonna
Speaker 3: be a You're not gonna have a designs I can
Speaker 3: have better than more than twenty five percent body fat, So,
Speaker 3: you know, so it protects him and them in that
Speaker 3: regard that one. I don't mind the Kyler thing. We
Speaker 3: talked about it when it happened. It was it was
Speaker 3: embarrassing for all parties involved. And here's the problem with
Speaker 3: them taking it out. If I'm Kyler and his agent,
Speaker 3: I'm like, so, let's just make this clear, because I'm
Speaker 3: sure they fought about that provision. I'm sure they didn't
Speaker 3: want it in there.
Speaker 4: And for them to like rat kind of rat him
Speaker 4: out like that.
Speaker 3: Well, it's not just that they rated him out. Every
Speaker 3: when when he signed it, he knows he has good representation.
Speaker 3: These contracts get filed publicly, we can all read them.
Speaker 3: But the point that I think is would really irritate
Speaker 3: me if I were kyler Is, I told you I
Speaker 3: didn't want this in there. My agent fought for it
Speaker 3: not to be in there. You guys said it had
Speaker 3: to be in there, and then public scrutiny and Twitter
Speaker 3: memes and being made fun of in the media made
Speaker 3: you remove it.
Speaker 4: I need to be compensated for my suffering.
Speaker 3: So well, I don't know about that, but my feeling,
Speaker 3: my personal feelings were not enough for you to remove it.
Speaker 3: But you know, public perception was that would piss me off.
Speaker 3: I think that's a I think that's a poorly, poorly
Speaker 3: run franchise. All right, what's last?
Speaker 4: The athletics. Fred Katz says that the current NBA trade
Speaker 4: market is that a standstill. He claims that asking prices
Speaker 4: for stars are way too high right now, specifically, Kat's
Speaker 4: asking price seems a little bit unattainable. One front office
Speaker 4: the executive said Katie is the blame because he's asking
Speaker 4: for his trade so late. Can anything happen before Katie
Speaker 4: gets moved?
Speaker 3: All right? I don't think Katie asked for a trade
Speaker 3: so late. He asked for a trade right, poor free
Speaker 3: right and free agency was getting started, so I don't
Speaker 3: think he asked for a trade too late. I think
Speaker 3: we are in a holding pattern. I do believe Katie's
Speaker 3: going to get moves. I thought Zach Lowe's reporting that
Speaker 3: the Nets are still holding out hope that he will
Speaker 3: retract his trade demand is noteworthy because the Nets recognizing
Speaker 3: the reality of the situation, which is, if he doesn't
Speaker 3: retract it, we do have to trade him. Even though
Speaker 3: somebody are like, ah, he has four years left. I
Speaker 3: just think right now is the downtime. I think once
Speaker 3: training camp approaches, Certainly, once training camp starts, Kevin Durant
Speaker 3: gets moved and Donovan Mitchell gets moved. I think both
Speaker 3: of those things happen. I O. Deemond's a ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: I do not have it on me. We'll see how
Speaker 3: this goes. That's next. All right, welcome back in What's right?
Speaker 4: Nick? Right?
Speaker 3: So, I uh, on Thursday's pod, I made a grievous
Speaker 3: strategic error. So it was really bad. I'm about to
Speaker 3: tell you. I just looked it up. So I went
Speaker 3: into Thursday's pod with four hundred and ninety five thousand
Speaker 3: and six Twitter followers Demanse went into Thursday's pod with
Speaker 3: just under thirty seven hundred Twitter followers, and I said
Speaker 3: to him that I thought I would get to five
Speaker 3: hundred thousand before he got to five thousand, and I
Speaker 3: would pick up another five thousand followers before Demanse picked
Speaker 3: up thirteen hundred followers, right, And I was so confident
Speaker 3: I not only said let's bet on it, but I
Speaker 3: said I'll lay ten to one, and then I let
Speaker 3: you choose the amount, and you're the choose your own
Speaker 3: adventure of financial things with you have not always gone
Speaker 3: your way, and you went higher than I ever would
Speaker 3: have imagined. You said you wanted to risk a thousand dollars,
Speaker 3: which put me on the hook for ten thousand dollars,
Speaker 3: which in the moment on the pod you can see
Speaker 3: my hesitation, But that is mostly because I'm like, God,
Speaker 3: dog it.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna take exactly like twenty percent of this
Speaker 3: guy's net worth. But then what happened was I made
Speaker 3: some really bad strategic errors, which is I did not
Speaker 3: tell our social media manager, Lorie off the air how
Speaker 3: serious I was about them not promoting the segment.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: You asked me for where my buddy Danny Parkins's phone number.
Speaker 3: I thought that was for the pod, so I gave
Speaker 3: it to you, yep. And instead he sent out a
Speaker 3: tweet saying, well, we can show the tweets in a moment.
Speaker 3: But the short version is, I am sitting now at
Speaker 3: four hundred and ninety five thousand, two hundred and forty
Speaker 3: nine followers, so I gained less than two hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty and demands at fifty two hundred plus yep, so
Speaker 3: he gained fifteen hundred, so he won the bet. So
Speaker 3: can we show some of these tweets and then we'll
Speaker 3: get to the payoff of it? Cause these tweets, oh
Speaker 3: demant got there immediately. Demanse tweeted this noon on Friday,
Speaker 3: what do I do now? And then what are the
Speaker 3: following tweets? Because I don't I didn't enjoy dealing with
Speaker 3: any of this. The next one that he sent was
Speaker 3: people sent to him. Was Demanse as Scrooge McDuck counting
Speaker 3: his money, there was another one cent and we can
Speaker 3: just roll through them up. Add it all on your
Speaker 3: Celtics next year, fifty five thousand or nothing, And this says,
Speaker 3: is a joke don't actually do that bucks of sweeping
Speaker 3: them this year. Yeah, don't actually do that. Yeah, don't
Speaker 3: don't actually do it.
Speaker 4: We'll be gone before that.
Speaker 3: Laugh at the old man. I would also give your
Speaker 3: little sister ten dollars in front of your dad, just
Speaker 3: to troll him. The world is yours, demonsex.
Speaker 4: The world is yours.
Speaker 3: Oh god, Okay.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 3: I promised that I would pay you on the air.
Speaker 3: So what I have in front of the camera right here,
Speaker 3: and this is not a bit. These are not is
Speaker 3: not one hundred on the outside and then all ones
Speaker 3: on the inside. This is how much money do you
Speaker 3: think this is right here?
Speaker 4: That's probably like just shy of eight thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: I wish it were. This is exactly five thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: So five thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Okay, here's the deal. And I hope and trust that
Speaker 3: you will believe me, and we can we can read
Speaker 3: calibrate on Thursday's pot. I went to the bank this morning, yeah,
Speaker 3: and ask them to withdraw ten thousand dollars, and they
Speaker 3: gave me a whole run around about that amount and
Speaker 3: this and that and third, and I didn't want to
Speaker 3: say there's people online behind me check how much is
Speaker 3: in the account?
Speaker 4: Check it.
Speaker 3: I would like it, but I had to get back
Speaker 3: for the pod so I could easily get five thousand
Speaker 3: from them. So that's what I did. Ok So here's
Speaker 3: half half. You accept half now and the other half
Speaker 3: on Thursday with no juice, no vig, I'm not no
Speaker 3: interest running. Is that a deal.
Speaker 4: That's a deal.
Speaker 3: That's a deal. So there it is. Now before where
Speaker 3: I let go of it? Can you make me a commitment?
Speaker 3: Is this please go directly in the bank? Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: right after the show, right after the show, direct backpack
Speaker 3: and everything I won't put in my pocket directly in
Speaker 3: the bank. Okay, there it is.
Speaker 4: Oh thanks man. I don't like this hundred that's on
Speaker 4: the top though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the most money you've ever held one time, correct.
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Your hesitation there makes me question some of your maybe
Speaker 3: previous endeavors if you've ever held more than five thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: I wasn't a cartel at some point, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh god, you feel good about this.
Speaker 4: I feel great. I'm gonna put it in my pocket.
Speaker 3: Now it's gonna fall out of your You got zippers
Speaker 3: on those?
Speaker 4: No, you don't.
Speaker 3: This guy, this guy I think is wearing swim trunks
Speaker 3: for the pod, and I just gave him five grand.
Speaker 4: They're actually billionaire boys club shorts.
Speaker 3: Oh, how apropos wearing the old Do you feel like
Speaker 3: a billionaire right now? There? It is worst sports wager
Speaker 3: of my life and it's only halfway paid off, and
Speaker 3: God only knows what that then means. I have to
Speaker 3: pay off to your mother once she sees and hears this.
Speaker 3: That's today's pod. We'll talk to you guys on Thursday
Speaker 4: All right, folks might not see me here on Thursday.