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We 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 3: have some very serious topics to discuss with the Deshaun 24 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 3: Watson news coming down a few hours before we recorded. 25 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: We have a very somber topic to discuss right off 26 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 3: the top of the show with the passing of Bill Russell, 27 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: and we have what is unquestionably going to be the 28 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 3: single greatest moment up to this point of One Demons 29 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 3: Bird's life. Having won a ten thousand dollars wager from 30 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 3: me that has to be paid in cash in full 31 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 3: before the end of today's show, there is one slight problem. 32 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 3: I do not have the ten thousand dollars in full 33 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 3: on me. However, don't give me that. 34 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 4: Look, you don't have it. 35 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 3: I don't have Listen, we will decius, we will get 36 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: to that before the end of the show. I have 37 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: a solid amount of money in my pocket. Okay, I 38 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 3: promise before the end of today's show you will hold 39 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 3: more money than you've ever held at one point in time. 40 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 3: It's not the full ten thousand, though. We'll explain and 41 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 3: we'll see what you think the proper remedies are. Okay, okay, 42 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: all right, so we'll get to that. We're gonna talk 43 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 3: about regular sports stuff. We'll do all our regular show. However, 44 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 3: we can't really do the actual regular show because we 45 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 3: need to start with this. So before we even get 46 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 3: to what we're not getting into or our regular a bloc, 47 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 3: I of course want to talk about Bill Russell, not 48 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 3: only the greatest winner in the history of sports, but 49 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 3: a true civil rights icon who passed away Sunday at 50 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 3: the age of eighty eight. So the Bill Russell off 51 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: the court life is a remarkable one. The first black 52 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 3: head coach in major American sports man, who was born 53 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: in the thirties in Louisiana, moved north and dealt with 54 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 3: racism and bigotry and attacks every step of the way. 55 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 3: A man who I think not coincidentally, after his time 56 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 3: in Boston and some of this stuff, demands say, I'm sure, 57 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 3: and this is no shade here, you're unaware of it. 58 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 3: While he was winning championships in Boston, he had his 59 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 3: house broken into, they broke his trophies, They in his bed. 60 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 3: They when he would go on the road, he had 61 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: his his daughter wrote about how he would have his 62 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 3: garbage cans every single time tipped over, and that he 63 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: went to the police and said this has to stop, 64 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: and the cops like, must be raccoons, and so he said, okay, 65 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 3: then I want a gun permit. And then all of 66 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 3: a sudden it stopped, and not coincidentally, I don't think 67 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: Bill Russell then moved, I think, to the geographic opposite 68 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 3: of Boston. He moved to an island off the coast 69 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: of Seattle called Mercer Island. You could not get further 70 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 3: away from Boston. And then he lived and he lived 71 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 3: there for the better part of forty years. And he 72 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 3: talked about how he you know, he played for his 73 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 3: teammates his coach were at Arbach, but not for the fans. 74 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 3: And listen, there is a tortured history in a lot 75 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 3: of cities, but famously Boston, of their relationship with their 76 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 3: black stars. Bob Coosey was a great player, Havlichek was 77 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 3: a great player, Larry Bird was a great player. None 78 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 3: of them were as great as Russell was. Yet there 79 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 3: is to this day real questions about who the greatest 80 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: Celtic was and that had to do with the fact 81 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 3: that Bill Russell was a black man, a proud black man, 82 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 3: and march right alongside Ali and King in the Civil 83 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 3: Rights movie. And when Bill Russell, you know, was getting 84 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 3: death threats and the family asked the FBI to help, 85 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 3: what the FBI did was open a file on him 86 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 3: that referred to him as an arrogant negro who would 87 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 3: not sign autographs for white children. That's how the country, 88 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 3: the city of Boston, the country as a whole, treated 89 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 3: Bill Russell. Okay, So that is the very very short 90 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 3: version of Bill Russell the activist. Bill Russell off the court. 91 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 3: And by the way, Bill Russell signed up for Twitter 92 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 3: in his eighties to send out a tweet supporting Colin Kaepernick. 93 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 3: He never his first sweet ever was him kneeling. He 94 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: never stopped the activism. I don't want to gloss over that, 95 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 3: but all so, as interested and educated as I am 96 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 3: on that part of his life, there are other people 97 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 3: in longer form that can pay a better tribute to that. 98 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 3: So I would like to for a moment here talk 99 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 3: about Bill Russell the basketball player, because I think people 100 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 3: know eight titles in a row. They know, eleven championships 101 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 3: in thirteen years. I still think it under sells how 102 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 3: utterly dominant he was. One of the reasons I did 103 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 3: my list the way I did it, the fifty best 104 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 3: of the last fifty is not only because you can't 105 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: get film and you can barely get fully accurate full 106 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: box scores of those games in the late fifties and 107 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 3: throughout the sixties, but also because Bill Russell causes a 108 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: problem for any ranking, because if we agree the goal 109 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: of team sports is to win, then what do you 110 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 3: do with a guy who lapped the field a couple 111 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 3: times over when it comes to winning. And it wasn't 112 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 3: just the eleven championships, it's that he never lost a 113 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 3: do or die game in his basketball life. You hear 114 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 3: this stat thrown around, but I want to emphasize it. 115 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 3: Then we will go through the Bill Russell basketball life 116 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: quickly and then move on to the show Bill Russell 117 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 3: in the NCAA Tournament, in the Olympics and in Game 118 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: sevens of the NBA or Door Die Game fives of 119 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 3: the NBA. In this five game series played twenty one 120 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,119 Speaker 3: games where the winner advances and the loser goes home. 121 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 3: College Olympics and the Pros. His teams were twenty one 122 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 3: and zero in those twenty one games. He got to 123 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 3: the University of San Francisco and within a year Sports 124 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 3: Illustrated wrote an article saying that college basketball might have 125 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: to change the rules because of him, and they did. 126 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 3: A year later, they widened the lane to try to 127 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: minimize his defensive impact. He then went on a fifty 128 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 3: five game collegiate winning streak, winning two national championships. He 129 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 3: then won the goal in the Olympics. He then gets 130 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 3: to Boston and this is where we're going too, similar 131 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: to how we have on our NBA list, go year 132 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 3: by year, but I will do it quickly. Built this 133 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 3: Boston Celtics had Bob Goozi already. He was about to 134 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: win League MVP. They had never made a finals. They 135 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 3: made the finals the first ten years of Russell's career. 136 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 3: They made the finals twelve of the thirteen years he played. 137 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 3: So his very first year in the league Game seven 138 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: NBA Finals against the at that moment best player in basketball, 139 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:53,359 Speaker 3: Bob Pettitt, he has nineteen points and thirty two rebounds 140 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 3: in a two point double overtime win. The next year, 141 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 3: they are playing Pettit in the finals again, Russell springs 142 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: his ankle Missus game four, Missus Game five, is a 143 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 3: shell of himself, barely plays. In game six, Pettitt hangs 144 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 3: fifty on him and Russell. If you listen to Bill Simmons, 145 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 3: still bitter about that, says I was injured, So how 146 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: did you respond? Only won eight championships in a row. 147 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: But what's amazing about when you hear eight titles in 148 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 3: a row? You think, oh my god, they were just 149 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 3: far and away better than everyone. But the thing is 150 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 3: they weren't. They were close games in seven game series 151 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 3: fifty nine to get to the finals. They're in a 152 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 3: game seven against Syracuse and my old landlord in college. 153 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 3: Believe it or not, well, dlphshas whose son Danny shaves 154 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 3: people maybe remember, Probably not Dahlsha's a great player. Russell 155 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: beats him by five in a game seven. Then they 156 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 3: sweep the Minneapolis Lakers, and Mike is Mike and still 157 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 3: on that Lakers team. I think he is. I gotta 158 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: double check that they sweep the Oh you know, Miken's 159 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 3: not sowing the Lakers, see my apologies, but Elgin Baylor is. 160 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 3: And they sweep them to win the title. That's Championship 161 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 3: number two. The next year, he beats Wilt in the 162 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 3: to get to the conference finals or to get to 163 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: the finals, and then in the NBA Finals plays Bob 164 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 3: Pettitt again a game seven, has a twenty two point 165 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: thirty five rebound game to win title number three. The 166 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 3: very next year, he's in the finals against Bob Pettitt again. 167 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 3: This one doesn't go seven in five, they win. He 168 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 3: has a thirty point thirty eight rebound game to win 169 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 3: ring number four. The very next year, he plays Wilt 170 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 3: in a game seven to get to the finals, beats 171 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 3: them by two. In the finals, plays Jerry West. It's 172 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 3: a game seven. That game seven goes to overtime. Russell 173 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 3: plays all fifty three minutes, has thirty points and forty 174 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 3: rebounds to. 175 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 4: Reach These rebulds are crazy. 176 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 3: They played a super fast paced and missed a lot 177 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 3: of shots. They're still insane. That's ring number five. The 178 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 3: very next year, there's another game seven to get to 179 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 3: the finals. This is against Oscar Robertson in Cincinnati. He 180 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 3: of course wins with a twenty and twenty four and 181 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: then they win the title against the Lakers. Poor Jerry 182 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 3: West at this time in six. That is ring number six. 183 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 3: That is five in a row. The next year, it's 184 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 3: nice and easy. They win the title in five. That's 185 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:33,359 Speaker 3: ring number six. The very next year, they're playing Philadelphia. 186 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 3: It's a game seven. Philadelphia, of course has Wilt Chamberlain. 187 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 3: Russell wins that game seven to get to the finals 188 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 3: by one point, playing all forty eight minutes against Wilt 189 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: and holding Wilt if you will, to thirty, which back 190 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 3: in the day, holding Wilt to thirty is a hell 191 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: of an accomplishment. They then beat the Lakers again, poor 192 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 3: Lakers in the finals. He has a twenty and thirty 193 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 3: to win that title. I've lost track. I think that's 194 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 3: rings seven and six in a row. The very next year, 195 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 3: they have an easy one. They win the title. Oh no, 196 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 3: they get to the title easily. But another game seven, 197 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 3: another game against the Lakers, another time Jerry West is 198 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 3: so close. They win Game seven by two points. He 199 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: has twenty five points and thirty two rebounds. That is 200 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 3: I want to make sure I have this right. That 201 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 3: is title. That is title number nine. No, maybe maybe 202 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 3: I'm confused. I've lost track at this point. That is yeah, 203 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 3: that is that is title number nine eight in a row. 204 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 3: The next year they lose before the finals, will and 205 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 3: the Sixers get them in the conference finals. So you 206 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 3: know what happens. He becomes player coach and they win 207 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 3: two more rings. How do they win those two more rings? 208 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 3: They beat Bought, They beat Philly in a game seven 209 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: by four points, and then to get to the finals, 210 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 3: and then they beat the Lakers and six and then 211 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: his final year in the league, in the final game, 212 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 3: he'll ever play another game seven against the Los Angeles 213 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 3: Lakers that they win by two. So the reason I 214 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: say all that is it's not just that he won 215 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 3: five MVPs and did all that winning. It's also it 216 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 3: is impossible to look at how close those games were 217 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 3: and the fact that he never came out on the 218 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 3: short end of it and come to any conclusion other 219 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 3: than he understood what it took for his team to 220 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 3: win better than any athlete we've ever seen. So again, 221 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 3: that was And by the way, his athletic career was 222 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 3: not the most important part of his life. It was 223 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 3: the off the court stuff. But on the court, pardon 224 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 3: me ear muff, kids, that was a bad mother man. 225 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 3: The guy came to college was a track star, learning basketball, 226 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 3: and as soon as he picked it up a little bit, 227 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 3: won two national championships, then an Olympic gold medal. Then 228 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: in a thirteen year NBA career, made the finals twelve times, 229 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 3: won eleven rings, and the one time he didn't win 230 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 3: in the finals, he missed two and a half games 231 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 3: with injury. An all time all timer by any measure, 232 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 3: the great and incomparable Bill Russell. All right, so there's 233 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 3: the Bill Russell portion of the show. Now to the 234 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 3: regular show. That will not quite be a regular show, 235 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 3: but we will do our best today. Here's what is 236 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 3: not on today's show. What is not on did not 237 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 3: make the cut for today's show is Pallo on Caro 238 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 3: dropping fifty in a pro am these listen, I love 239 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 3: the crossover like everybody else. That's Jamal Crawford's little pro 240 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 3: am thing. Your guy up in Seattle. Crossover. Yeah, he 241 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 3: spells it like his last name. He calls it the crossover. 242 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 3: He puts it all in the tournament. But these, these 243 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 3: these NBA guys playing in pro ams not that impressed, 244 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 3: to be honest. He includes Lebron whatever he did at 245 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 3: the Drew League. Draymond wants more money and a one 246 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 3: point two eight billion dollar Mega Millions jackpot win. 247 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 4: Not going to get like six hundred million though, I 248 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 4: like seven hundred maybe only taxed out that it gets 249 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 4: taxed like crazy. 250 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean, what's the point really if you're 251 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 3: only having seven hundred million? 252 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, I'm not one of those guys six 253 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 4: hundred more. 254 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean you are kind of one of 255 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 3: those guys, because but you're listen, I get it, you're 256 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 3: feeling yourself. You're about to have ten thousand dollars in 257 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 3: your pocket. 258 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 4: You feel like seven Yeah, you're onto it. 259 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 3: You might have had a little spoiler alert there. Okay, demons, 260 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 3: all right now we must we must gain our bosure 261 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 3: because we have another serious topic to discuss. The Deshaun 262 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 3: Watson situation go ahead. 263 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 4: An independent NFL Disciplinary officer, Judge Suo Robinson decided Deshaun 264 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 4: Watson was guilty of violating the NFL Contact Policy yep, 265 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 4: but she only called for a six game suspension YEPH. 266 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 4: The NFLPA says the league should accept the independent ruling 267 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 4: and move on without any appeals. But if you go 268 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 4: strictly by Twitter reactions, yeah, it seems like six games 269 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 4: isn't isn't enough? The commissioner could step in in the 270 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 4: next three days and extend the time. Yep, should he? 271 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 3: I think he should, and I think he will. So 272 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 3: this is kind of We're gonna do an all encompass, 273 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 3: all encompassing Dashaun Watson discussion here. First of all, I 274 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 3: want to talk about where I think I have failed 275 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 3: on this, and I don't think I'm the only one 276 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 3: in the media, but I will speak for myself. I 277 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 3: think one of the reason reasons there was not as 278 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 3: much public outrage as there should have been when it 279 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: comes to more than two dozen women accusing Deshaun Watson 280 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 3: of some really heinous stuff is because it was so 281 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 3: uncomfortable and awkward and embarrassing to discuss. I think a 282 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 3: lot of us in the media, myself included, particularly on television, 283 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 3: chose the path of least resistance, which is at let's 284 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:34,479 Speaker 3: talk about something else, Because if you are talking about 285 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 3: some if you're talking about a guy masturbating ejaculating on 286 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 3: women without their consent, you know, trying to force them 287 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 3: or cajole them into sexual acts, and doing it repeatedly 288 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: and repeatedly and repeatedly across more than two dozen women 289 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 3: where you read that the Texans kind of had a 290 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 3: set up for him where he had a club membership, 291 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 3: and the all of it is so grotesque and so 292 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 3: uncomfortable that it wasn't like, here's a video of someone 293 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 3: committing an act of violence, we can all discuss it. 294 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 3: So because of that, I don't think it got the 295 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 3: general attention it deserved initially. So that's where I failed, 296 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 3: And I you know, I don't think I'm the only one, 297 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 3: but I'll speak for myself where I think I failed 298 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 3: in regards to this. Now, as far as what is 299 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 3: the appropriate punishment, I think I said on the show 300 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 3: this show a long time ago that I don't think 301 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 3: this is one you can split the baby on, And 302 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 3: by that I mean I felt like the independent arbitrator, 303 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 3: Judge Suel Robinson almost had to come down on zero 304 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 3: games or a season plus years. Yeah, because it is 305 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 3: very difficult for me to rationalize the idea of I 306 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 3: believe you did this, and I believe you deserve less 307 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: than one of the most punitive suspensions in NFL history. 308 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 3: But it seems like that is exactly what she did. 309 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 3: That and some of her quotes, according to Tom Pelisarrow. 310 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 4: She was saying, like, hell, it wasn't violent. 311 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought the whole Tom Pelisarrow reported on Twitter 312 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 3: on Monday, and by the way, again, it's possible by 313 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: the time you guys hear this, the NFL announces that 314 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 3: it is appealing, and we'll talk about that process in 315 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 3: a moment. But as of right now, the NFL has 316 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 3: said nothing about this. There are some very very awkward 317 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 3: and odd quotes from the judge. She says his pattern 318 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 3: of behavior was egregious, but says the behavior was quote 319 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 3: non violent sexual conduct. 320 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 4: Well, guys like Calvin Ridley, I got a full season 321 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 4: for making parlay bets while he wasn't even playing well. 322 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 3: So and I want to get I want to get 323 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 3: to the of course, and I want to get to 324 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 3: that part in a moment, because that is a bit 325 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 3: apples and oranges, but it's what people's brains are naturally 326 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 3: going to go to. But I want to say I 327 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 3: fundamentally disagree with what the judge said that this was nonviolent. Now. 328 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 3: I just I feel like there are different forms of violence, 329 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 3: and I feel like if someone. 330 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 4: Is like emotional violence almost. 331 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 3: Well, and I would say I believe the women in 332 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 3: this case, and I want to talk more about that 333 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 3: in a moment as well. I believe someone ejaculating on 334 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 3: you without your consent is violent. I think that is 335 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 3: a violent act. There's violence, is not always punching someone 336 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 3: in the face. Now, I also want to say this, 337 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 3: and this is again why I think people have been 338 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 3: hesitant to discuss this on television or in short sound bites, 339 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 3: because you don't want to be misquoted, you don't want 340 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 3: to be partially quoted. So I believe it is incredibly 341 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 3: important that our criminal justice system has a massively high 342 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 3: burden of proof. That innocent until proven guilty remains the standard, 343 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 3: and that reasonable doubt in order to clear that threshold, 344 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 3: it needs to be as high of a bar as 345 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 3: possible in order to cage a human being, in order 346 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 3: to send someone to jail at a prison, in order 347 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 3: to deny someone that they're liberty. I think that standard 348 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 3: is what it should be. That does not mean that 349 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 3: must be the standard for what I believe happened. And 350 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 3: so whether or not I, on a jury, could convict 351 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 3: to Sean Watson on any of these individual cases, it 352 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 3: does not have to me much of anything to do 353 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 3: with the fact that I believe, without a shadow of 354 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 3: a doubt, that he is guilty of what many, if 355 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 3: not all, of these women are accusing him. It is 356 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 3: a logical impossibility that more than two dozen women, many 357 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 3: of whom did not file a single lawsuit, had nothing 358 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 3: to gain from this, would allege this behavior and have 359 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 3: it what just be a massive conspiracy to what end, 360 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 3: to what gain for the women, particularly who have no 361 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 3: skin in the game when it comes to the lawsuit. 362 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 4: He just also, he doesn't really seem to have like 363 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 4: the demeanor of somebody that didn't do what he did. 364 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 4: I've seen like conferences held and stuff, and it just 365 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 4: kind of. 366 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 3: The whole thing seems there is no part of me 367 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 3: that's like he's innocent. There's no part of me. So again, 368 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 3: my opinion is just my opinion on it. But I 369 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 3: think anyone that follows this story, that reads the lawsuit, 370 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 3: that reads the testimonials that Jenny Brintis has acquired those things, 371 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 3: I find it impossible to come away with the conclusion 372 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson was set up. Okay, So if we can 373 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 3: acknowledge that he did at least some, if not all, 374 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 3: of this, now we get to what demands was alluding 375 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 3: to the others suspensions. So Miles Garrett got six games 376 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 3: for an on field fight when he conked Mason Rudolph 377 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 3: on the head with his own helmet. Michael Kendricks got 378 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 3: eight games for insiders stock trading, right, Deshaun's former teammate 379 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins got six games for a trace amount of 380 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 3: peds in a system, and Calvin Ridley got a season 381 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 3: for on a game he wasn't playing. Now, what some 382 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 3: would say, and they would not be wrong, is the 383 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 3: difference between certainly the DeAndre Hopkins PDS and the Calvin 384 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 3: Ridley thing is those are black and white rules. If 385 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 3: you test positive, you get this many games. If you 386 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 3: bet on a game, you get this many games. I 387 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 3: get that, but the optics of it are horrified. 388 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, Deshaun Watson's one is like a huge morality issue. 389 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 4: Of course, nearly on the same level. 390 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 3: Correct, And I would argue that if Deshaun Watson was 391 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 3: caught on video punching one woman, he would have gotten 392 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 3: at least this, if not more. The fact that it's 393 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 3: not video, and so there is the question, I guess 394 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 3: you could argue the question of did he do it 395 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 3: or not? And in the court of public opinion, which 396 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 3: I think is going to sway to he should get 397 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 3: a longer suspension. However, there will be some folks who, well, 398 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 3: how do I say this, I just say what I think. 399 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 3: I'll just just be totally transparent with you. 400 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 4: Guys. 401 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 3: There are there are some men that will never believe 402 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 3: women under any circumstances, that will just always be of 403 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 3: the ah that that son of a gun setting them up. Right, 404 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 3: there are another group of men that, or people, I 405 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 3: should say, not just men, people that look at massage 406 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 3: therapists as sex workers and nothing more and nothing less, 407 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 3: and that Okay, yeah, these these women knew what they 408 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 3: were signing up for and knew and I do understand 409 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 3: that there are certain massage venues in America where sex 410 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 3: work is part of what everyone is signing up for 411 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 3: in that. But this this wasn't that. This was finding 412 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 3: women on ig who say they're massuses and then putting 413 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 3: them in positions that they did not want to be in. 414 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 3: That's what I believe. And so now we get to 415 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 3: what the NFL should do. Okay, I believe because of 416 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 3: the optics, because the NFL wanted a year and only 417 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 3: got six games. Because the judge didn't exactly split the middle. 418 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 3: Deshaun's camp wanted zero, the NFL wanted a year. If 419 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,479 Speaker 3: maybe if the judge would have imposed eight or nine games, 420 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 3: the NFL would have said, okay, you split the middle, 421 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 3: will leave it alone. I think it is incumbent on 422 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 3: the NFL to add to this suspension. And by the 423 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 3: way the appeals process is it under the old CBA, 424 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 3: there would be no judge suo Robinson, it would just 425 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 3: be Goodell. Under the new CBA, there is the independent arbitrator, 426 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 3: but then the appeals go to Goodell. So if Goodell 427 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 3: in the League office decided they want to appeal, they're 428 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 3: appealing to themselves. So there was then and then the 429 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 3: only recourse to Shaun's camp would have is federal court. 430 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 3: So that is what I think, And maybe by the 431 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 3: time people hear this, I think this gets upped to 432 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 3: eight or ten games. I don't think the I don't 433 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 3: think I don't think the NFL is gonna do the 434 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 3: full year, because then I think it sways in the 435 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 3: other direction where it's like, well, you wanted a year. 436 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 3: You went to this judge. The whole thing was you 437 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 3: wanted the year to begin with, you have this independent 438 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 3: arbitrator in place. She says six games, and now you're 439 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 3: just gonna give him the full year. So the whole 440 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 3: thing was a sham, right, But I think a year 441 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 3: would have been totally fair. And I'm gonna say one 442 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 3: other point. 443 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 4: On this. 444 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 3: If I'm in the league office. Part of my math 445 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 3: on the penalty here is the fact that the Browns 446 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 3: and Deshaun structured his contract in a way that baked 447 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 3: in a suspension and made it so he would lose 448 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 3: as little dollars as possible. So if people don't understand, 449 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 3: when you're suspended, you lose that game check. Your game 450 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 3: check is your salary divided by number of games. So 451 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 3: it's a seventeen game season. If you make seventeen million, 452 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 3: each game you make a million bucks. So if you're 453 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 3: suspended six games, will lose six million on that salary. 454 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 3: DeShawn this year is going to make forty six million dollars, 455 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 3: but his salary is only seven hundred thousand of that. 456 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 3: The rest is a signing bonus and roster bonus which 457 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 3: cannot be clawed back due to suspension. So when you 458 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 3: are he is going to lose less than three hundred 459 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 3: thousand dollars as far as salary from all and that's intentional, 460 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 3: and one can say that's a great job by his agent. 461 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 3: So be it, however, that that is something. If I'm 462 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: in the NFL, I'm not letting that stand. 463 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 4: Right. 464 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 3: I'm imposing some massive fine in addition to the suspension. 465 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 3: And I think that's what they're going to do, because 466 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 3: what they don't want is the New York Times push 467 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 3: alert that I got this morning, which said Deshaun Watson, 468 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 3: Brown's quarterback who was accused of sexual misconduct by twenty 469 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 3: four women, suspended six games by the NFL. They don't 470 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 3: want the average fan that's not locked into every day 471 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 3: I think that, Oh Goodell said this for six games, 472 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 3: the NFL wanted to spend him a year. Okay, all right, 473 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 3: So there's the Deshaun piece we already did along Bill Russell. Peace. 474 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 3: And now to one of Demons's favorite topics before we 475 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 3: wrap up our kind of somewhat yeah less than regular 476 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 3: a block. What's our last topic? 477 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 4: Michelson was he was heckled at the live golf of 478 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,239 Speaker 4: in a few days ago. Someone shouted do it for 479 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 4: the Royal Saudi fan. Wait on the Saudi Oroal fan 480 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 4: for Saudi Royal f family. Yeah, before he t eat off, 481 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 4: Trump was in attendance, but Charles Barkley backed out of it. 482 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 4: I don't even like talking regular golf, but now we're 483 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 4: talking off brand golf. Yeah, you demanded we put this 484 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 4: on the show. Why. 485 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 3: Okay, here's why I want to put this on the show. 486 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 3: And by the way, if you love me as a 487 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 3: sports guy and you can't stand my political opinions, fast 488 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 3: forward to the b block. Okay, because you're about to 489 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 3: get some of them. As if you're like Nick, I 490 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 3: love your lebron takes, but god dog it, I'm a 491 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 3: died in the world trumper and if you say anything 492 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 3: bad about him, I'll never go listen to you again. 493 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 3: Then fast forward the pod because here's listen. I have 494 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 3: not been judgmental on the live tour. I've said I 495 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 3: might go work for him if they offered me enough money. 496 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 3: That's not what this is what I The reason I 497 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 3: wanted to mention this is because nothing bothers me more 498 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 3: in politics than wanton, blatant hypocrisy. And I have had 499 00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 3: to listen to Josh Hawley and the Mote and the 500 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 3: most conservative Republicans up to and including Donald Trump on 501 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 3: NBA players for their relationship with China and for having 502 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 3: games over there and Lebron's relationship with them, go after 503 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 3: them saying, oh my god, you have this relationship with 504 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 3: this oppressive regime. And by the way, China is a 505 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 3: oppressive regime. And if you want to have that criticism, I, 506 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 3: while I don't share it, I understand it. But the 507 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 3: audacity for these same people who have gone after NBA 508 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 3: players not because they give two damns about the human 509 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 3: rights violations in China, but because nothing riles up their 510 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 3: base like telling prominent rich black dudes to shut the 511 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 3: hell up and sit down and know their place. For 512 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 3: those people to stand on that soapbox for three years 513 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 3: about the NBA players in China and not say a 514 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 3: word when they're dear Leader, Donald Trump is supporting financially 515 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 3: in in other ways every way possible. The live tour 516 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 3: hosted in his course, he goes in attendance, him and 517 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 3: Marjorie Taylor Green and the whole crew of them, and 518 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 3: to just be like, Yeah, who's gonna call us on 519 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 3: our ship? Well, listen, I guess me. It's just so 520 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 3: it's just so laughable. And by the way, it's one 521 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 3: of again the hypocrisy. I'm not a both sides guy, 522 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 3: but I will say anybody that fervently defended the NBA's 523 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 3: relationship with China and fervently has attacked the Live Tour 524 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 3: for his relationship with the Saudi royal family, I think 525 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 3: that's a little hypocritical as well. But that's not me. 526 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 3: I've kind of steered clear of any of the criticism 527 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 3: because I think we all, as I've said, for it's 528 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 3: hard to be a moral capitalist, Okay, of a truly 529 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 3: moral capitalist, I get it. 530 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 4: But I seeing disgusting work there. See say it again, 531 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 4: disgusting work there. 532 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, seeing the the just the grinning ex president, potentially 533 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 3: future president yucking it up at the Live Tour after 534 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 3: he spent the better part of the year taking every 535 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 3: shot at NBA guys for their relationships with us. He 536 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 3: would put it, China, it's just repulsive and the at 537 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 3: least somebody, at least one person noticed the obvious hypocrisy there. 538 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 3: We'll be right back having a lot more fun, a 539 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 3: lot more lighthearted topics, and I'm gonna try to stiff 540 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 3: demons out of a few thousand dollars. That's all next. 541 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see. 542 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 3: Welcome back in What's right, Nick Wright. Segment number two 543 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 3: of episode number one, Segment one was I think our 544 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 3: longest a bloc ever, but with good reason. We had 545 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 3: the passing of the great Bill Russell and we discussed 546 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 3: his career. That Deshaun Watson's story broke a few hours 547 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 3: before we went on the air, and I decided to 548 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 3: get a you know, take a few political shots. But 549 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 3: if you're joining back now joining us, especially if you 550 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 3: skipped over the political part, don't worry about that. We 551 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 3: now have straight sports talk, starting with I think my 552 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 3: favorite topic to discuss in the world, which is why 553 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 3: Lebron James is the goat. So go ahead, demons, take 554 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 3: us there. 555 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 4: You rank Kareem at number two in your top fifty 556 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 4: to the last fifty years. Yep, it means that you 557 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 4: have Lebron James at number one over Michael Jordan most 558 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 4: notably but not surprisingly. Yeah, what would it take for 559 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 4: somebody to did he throw in Lebron at number one? Okay, 560 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,399 Speaker 4: so the question all that, by the way before were 561 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 4: I don't want to spoil too much rancor talk or whatever. No, 562 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 4: that's fine. Would Lebron be number one if he didn't 563 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 4: come back through one in that Golden State Series? 564 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 3: No, okay, he wouldn't be. I mean well, I mean 565 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 3: without are you asking if he had just won the 566 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,959 Speaker 3: title without being three to one or if. 567 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 4: They know if they just lost that finals on top 568 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 4: of him not coming back from the three one? 569 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 3: No? 570 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 4: No, no, he needed changes. 571 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that changed the landscape considerably, all right, and we'll 572 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 3: talk about that on Sunday when people hear the Lebron episode. 573 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 3: So of when people look at active players, does any 574 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 3: active player of a chance of becoming the Goat? Let 575 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 3: me start with Steph. The answer with Steph is no, 576 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 3: he doesn't have enough time left, even if he wins 577 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 3: a couple more championships. He's thirty, he's gonna be thirty 578 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 3: four years old. He has become a more than passable 579 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,439 Speaker 3: defensive player, but he's never gonna have the two way 580 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 3: impact that the Goat candidates have had and he had, 581 00:35:53,239 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 3: and so Steph, Steph's ceiling is probably passing Kobe, passing Duncan. 582 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 3: That's his ceiling. Okay, Then let me get to Luca. 583 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 3: Luca's the most controversial person on the list. Number twenty 584 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 3: on the list. Again, watch the Luca video. I explained it. 585 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 3: There's president people, Luca has a chance to become the 586 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 3: greatest offensive player ever, I do not, and I don't 587 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 3: think he'll quite get there. But I do not think 588 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 3: Luca has a chance to become the greatest player ever, 589 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 3: because I even if he improves defensively, he's never There 590 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 3: were various periods of time where Kareem, Michael and Lebron 591 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 3: were the most devastating or the very close to the 592 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,240 Speaker 3: most devastating defensive players in basketball while being the best 593 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 3: offensive players in basketball. So that leaves one guy who 594 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 3: could do it, and that's Yannis yep. And I won't 595 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 3: put a ceiling on where Jannis could get to because 596 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 3: if Yiannis gets the accolades and the hardware and has 597 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 3: the longevity that I think he will, his potential is 598 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 3: of course to be the greatest player ever. I'm not 599 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 3: I'm not predicting he becomes the greatest player ever, and 600 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 3: but he we already saw him have one of the 601 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 3: greatest finals performances ever. I believe they would have won 602 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 3: the title this year if Middleton didn't get hurt. But 603 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 3: we can't just give him an extra finals. I know 604 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 3: you don't like to hear that, but I believe that 605 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 3: they would have. And he is, in my opinion, for 606 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 3: three consecutive years, been the single most impactful offensive and 607 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 3: defensive player in basketball and so and I think he 608 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 3: has the right disposition and all of that. So do 609 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 3: am I predicting he will? I'm not predicting it. Is 610 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 3: it on the board. It's on the board, and he's 611 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 3: the only active player that it's on the board for. 612 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 3: But Big Vic, Victor win Ban Yama or whim Ban 613 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 3: wim Ban Yama. Pardon me, oh boy, the seven foot 614 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 3: two inch French kid. Look out, yes, look out for 615 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 3: Big Vic. But right now, Jannis is the guy. All right, 616 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 3: what's next? 617 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,320 Speaker 4: All right? Training camp fights are nothing new, but franchise 618 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 4: quarterbacks picking the fights is different. Josh Allen picked a 619 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 4: fight with a six to six defensive tackle at six 620 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 4: hundred pounds. These are the are These are totally the 621 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 4: actions of somebody or a leader that's focused on beating 622 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 4: the chiefs. 623 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 3: Right. Hey, this is trying to set me up to 624 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 3: take a shot at Josh Allen, and I won't do it. 625 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 4: I think I'm not gonna say I think you should 626 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 4: take a shot at Josh Allen. 627 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 3: I don't. 628 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 4: He's the quarterback. 629 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,760 Speaker 3: I don't, okay, but he's bigger than most of these guys. 630 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 3: Second of all, I'm I. 631 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 4: Wait, no, I'm not saying he's the quarterback so he 632 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 4: shouldn't be picking fights with a defensive tackle. I'm just saying, 633 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 4: like you're the quarterback, you're supposed to You're saying he's 634 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 4: bigger than most of these guys, Like, all right, yeah, 635 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 4: he could pick a fight because he might win. 636 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, that's what I'm saying. I think it'd be 637 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 3: idiotic if it were Kyler. Okay's six six. I ain't 638 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,399 Speaker 3: get the I mean, what are we talking about here? 639 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 3: That's first. Second of all, this is bait to try 640 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 3: to get me to take shots at Josh Allen. I 641 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 3: said after the Bills Chiefs Divisional round game. Josh Allen 642 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 3: has my respect, and more than my respect, he has 643 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,959 Speaker 3: generated fear from me, and so I am not taking 644 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 3: any more shots at him. I think Josh Awesome I 645 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,720 Speaker 3: have him right now, is the second best quarterback in football. 646 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 3: I have totally come around. I am I flip flopped 647 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 3: on Josh Allen one hundred percent and so no, I 648 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 3: will not take shots at him. I don't. I don't 649 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 3: mind the training camp fights and if anything that d 650 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 3: tackle should maybe be cut. Oh my gosh, quarterback. You 651 00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 3: can't mess with the quarterback. 652 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 4: No, that's you can't mess with the quarterback. But didn't 653 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 4: he shoved him? I guess he hit him late at I. 654 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 3: Don't, Yeah, he touched him late. You just can't do it. 655 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 3: Just can't do it. Fella, that's franchised, all right, what's next? 656 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 4: Uh? So? 657 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 3: Cardinals? 658 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 4: Cardinals have removed the independent study clause from Kyler Murray's 659 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:20,320 Speaker 4: contract after a backlash from every direction. Also related, Zion 660 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 4: Williamson has a weigh in clause stating that he will 661 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,280 Speaker 4: lose some of his money if he exceeds a certain 662 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 4: weight limit and body fat percentage. How do you feel 663 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 4: about teams putting these condescending clauses in players contracts? 664 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,800 Speaker 3: Okay? I feel very differently about the Zion and the 665 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 3: Kyler one. 666 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 4: Okay. 667 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 3: The Zion one I think is totally reasonable. I don't 668 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,320 Speaker 3: think it's condescending. I think it's that Hey, the Miami 669 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 3: Heat famously used to have weekly weigh ins and if 670 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 3: you had over a certain body fat, or you were 671 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 3: over the weight you're supposed to be, they find you. 672 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 3: This is a more punitive version of that. Yeah, I 673 00:40:54,840 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 3: also think for Zion that this is trying to protected 674 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 3: him from himself to a degree, and because it's I've 675 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 3: never seen someone whose body in a short period of 676 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 3: time can fluctuate so much between how he looks like. 677 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 3: It looks like he can swing twenty pounds in one 678 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 3: direction to the other in a week. I also would 679 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 3: imagine this. 680 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 4: Probably it just means that it's really easy for him 681 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 4: to get. 682 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 3: Big, easy for him to get big, which is what 683 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 3: this is trying to protect against. I also, I don't 684 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 3: know this, but I would imagine this went something like 685 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:36,760 Speaker 3: this that the pelican said we want because the clause 686 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 3: is the following his weight plus his body fat percentage 687 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 3: cannot exceed two hundred and ninety five. So my guess 688 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 3: is the pelican said we don't want Zion ever above 689 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 3: two seventy five, that we want him to be at 690 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 3: two seven and his and they wanted to put that 691 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,399 Speaker 3: in there, and his agent almost assuredly pushed back, well, 692 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 3: that's not fair, Like what if our guy just gets 693 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 3: crazy jacked up and they said, okay, so all right, fine, 694 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 3: So you want to play it too eighty like Lebron 695 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,720 Speaker 3: did one year, I believe you better have the Lebron 696 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 3: type of body fat. You know what I mean? If 697 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,280 Speaker 3: you so, if you want to play it too eighty, 698 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 3: it better be the leanest to eighty we've ever seen. Meanwhile, 699 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 3: if you're at two seventy, there's no way you're gonna 700 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 3: be a You're not gonna have a designs I can 701 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 3: have better than more than twenty five percent body fat, So, 702 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 3: you know, so it protects him and them in that 703 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 3: regard that one. I don't mind the Kyler thing. We 704 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 3: talked about it when it happened. It was it was 705 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,840 Speaker 3: embarrassing for all parties involved. And here's the problem with 706 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 3: them taking it out. If I'm Kyler and his agent, 707 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 3: I'm like, so, let's just make this clear, because I'm 708 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 3: sure they fought about that provision. I'm sure they didn't 709 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 3: want it in there. 710 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,879 Speaker 4: And for them to like rat kind of rat him 711 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 4: out like that. 712 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,919 Speaker 3: Well, it's not just that they rated him out. Every 713 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 3: when when he signed it, he knows he has good representation. 714 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 3: These contracts get filed publicly, we can all read them. 715 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 3: But the point that I think is would really irritate 716 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 3: me if I were kyler Is, I told you I 717 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 3: didn't want this in there. My agent fought for it 718 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,359 Speaker 3: not to be in there. You guys said it had 719 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:31,240 Speaker 3: to be in there, and then public scrutiny and Twitter 720 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,399 Speaker 3: memes and being made fun of in the media made 721 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 3: you remove it. 722 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,800 Speaker 4: I need to be compensated for my suffering. 723 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,280 Speaker 3: So well, I don't know about that, but my feeling, 724 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 3: my personal feelings were not enough for you to remove it. 725 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 3: But you know, public perception was that would piss me off. 726 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,720 Speaker 3: I think that's a I think that's a poorly, poorly 727 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 3: run franchise. All right, what's last? 728 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 4: The athletics. Fred Katz says that the current NBA trade 729 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,760 Speaker 4: market is that a standstill. He claims that asking prices 730 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 4: for stars are way too high right now, specifically, Kat's 731 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,240 Speaker 4: asking price seems a little bit unattainable. One front office 732 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 4: the executive said Katie is the blame because he's asking 733 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,760 Speaker 4: for his trade so late. Can anything happen before Katie 734 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 4: gets moved? 735 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 3: All right? I don't think Katie asked for a trade 736 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,399 Speaker 3: so late. He asked for a trade right, poor free 737 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 3: right and free agency was getting started, so I don't 738 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 3: think he asked for a trade too late. I think 739 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,800 Speaker 3: we are in a holding pattern. I do believe Katie's 740 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 3: going to get moves. I thought Zach Lowe's reporting that 741 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 3: the Nets are still holding out hope that he will 742 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 3: retract his trade demand is noteworthy because the Nets recognizing 743 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,720 Speaker 3: the reality of the situation, which is, if he doesn't 744 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 3: retract it, we do have to trade him. Even though 745 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,279 Speaker 3: somebody are like, ah, he has four years left. I 746 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 3: just think right now is the downtime. I think once 747 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 3: training camp approaches, Certainly, once training camp starts, Kevin Durant 748 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 3: gets moved and Donovan Mitchell gets moved. I think both 749 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 3: of those things happen. I O. Deemond's a ten thousand dollars. 750 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,879 Speaker 3: I do not have it on me. We'll see how 751 00:44:54,920 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 3: this goes. That's next. All right, welcome back in What's right? 752 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:05,520 Speaker 4: Nick? Right? 753 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:12,840 Speaker 3: So, I uh, on Thursday's pod, I made a grievous 754 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 3: strategic error. So it was really bad. I'm about to 755 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,279 Speaker 3: tell you. I just looked it up. So I went 756 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 3: into Thursday's pod with four hundred and ninety five thousand 757 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 3: and six Twitter followers Demanse went into Thursday's pod with 758 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:35,360 Speaker 3: just under thirty seven hundred Twitter followers, and I said 759 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,479 Speaker 3: to him that I thought I would get to five 760 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,360 Speaker 3: hundred thousand before he got to five thousand, and I 761 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 3: would pick up another five thousand followers before Demanse picked 762 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,800 Speaker 3: up thirteen hundred followers, right, And I was so confident 763 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,319 Speaker 3: I not only said let's bet on it, but I 764 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,840 Speaker 3: said I'll lay ten to one, and then I let 765 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,600 Speaker 3: you choose the amount, and you're the choose your own 766 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,920 Speaker 3: adventure of financial things with you have not always gone 767 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:11,359 Speaker 3: your way, and you went higher than I ever would 768 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 3: have imagined. You said you wanted to risk a thousand dollars, 769 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,040 Speaker 3: which put me on the hook for ten thousand dollars, 770 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 3: which in the moment on the pod you can see 771 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 3: my hesitation, But that is mostly because I'm like, God, 772 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:29,920 Speaker 3: dog it. 773 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,759 Speaker 4: I'm gonna take. 774 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna take exactly like twenty percent of this 775 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 3: guy's net worth. But then what happened was I made 776 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,799 Speaker 3: some really bad strategic errors, which is I did not 777 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,879 Speaker 3: tell our social media manager, Lorie off the air how 778 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,120 Speaker 3: serious I was about them not promoting the segment. 779 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:57,000 Speaker 4: Right. 780 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,560 Speaker 3: You asked me for where my buddy Danny Parkins's phone number. 781 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,759 Speaker 3: I thought that was for the pod, so I gave 782 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,719 Speaker 3: it to you, yep. And instead he sent out a 783 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,200 Speaker 3: tweet saying, well, we can show the tweets in a moment. 784 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,920 Speaker 3: But the short version is, I am sitting now at 785 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,799 Speaker 3: four hundred and ninety five thousand, two hundred and forty 786 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 3: nine followers, so I gained less than two hundred and 787 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:25,560 Speaker 3: fifty and demands at fifty two hundred plus yep, so 788 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 3: he gained fifteen hundred, so he won the bet. So 789 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,080 Speaker 3: can we show some of these tweets and then we'll 790 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 3: get to the payoff of it? Cause these tweets, oh 791 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,320 Speaker 3: demant got there immediately. Demanse tweeted this noon on Friday, 792 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,319 Speaker 3: what do I do now? And then what are the 793 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,719 Speaker 3: following tweets? Because I don't I didn't enjoy dealing with 794 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 3: any of this. The next one that he sent was 795 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,320 Speaker 3: people sent to him. Was Demanse as Scrooge McDuck counting 796 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,400 Speaker 3: his money, there was another one cent and we can 797 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,839 Speaker 3: just roll through them up. Add it all on your 798 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 3: Celtics next year, fifty five thousand or nothing, And this says, 799 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,240 Speaker 3: is a joke don't actually do that bucks of sweeping 800 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,040 Speaker 3: them this year. Yeah, don't actually do that. Yeah, don't 801 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 3: don't actually do it. 802 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 4: We'll be gone before that. 803 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,359 Speaker 3: Laugh at the old man. I would also give your 804 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,440 Speaker 3: little sister ten dollars in front of your dad, just 805 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,640 Speaker 3: to troll him. The world is yours, demonsex. 806 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,200 Speaker 4: The world is yours. 807 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,240 Speaker 3: Oh god, Okay. 808 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:21,200 Speaker 4: So. 809 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,600 Speaker 3: I promised that I would pay you on the air. 810 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,640 Speaker 3: So what I have in front of the camera right here, 811 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 3: and this is not a bit. These are not is 812 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,200 Speaker 3: not one hundred on the outside and then all ones 813 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 3: on the inside. This is how much money do you 814 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 3: think this is right here? 815 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:48,279 Speaker 4: That's probably like just shy of eight thousand dollars. 816 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 3: I wish it were. This is exactly five thousand dollars. 817 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,440 Speaker 4: So five thousand dollars. 818 00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 3: Okay, here's the deal. And I hope and trust that 819 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,839 Speaker 3: you will believe me, and we can we can read 820 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:13,840 Speaker 3: calibrate on Thursday's pot. I went to the bank this morning, yeah, 821 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:19,960 Speaker 3: and ask them to withdraw ten thousand dollars, and they 822 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,360 Speaker 3: gave me a whole run around about that amount and 823 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,319 Speaker 3: this and that and third, and I didn't want to 824 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,320 Speaker 3: say there's people online behind me check how much is 825 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:30,920 Speaker 3: in the account? 826 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:32,520 Speaker 4: Check it. 827 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,719 Speaker 3: I would like it, but I had to get back 828 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:41,720 Speaker 3: for the pod so I could easily get five thousand 829 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,400 Speaker 3: from them. So that's what I did. Ok So here's 830 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:50,480 Speaker 3: half half. You accept half now and the other half 831 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 3: on Thursday with no juice, no vig, I'm not no 832 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,200 Speaker 3: interest running. Is that a deal. 833 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:56,960 Speaker 4: That's a deal. 834 00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 3: That's a deal. So there it is. Now before where 835 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,719 Speaker 3: I let go of it? Can you make me a commitment? 836 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,799 Speaker 3: Is this please go directly in the bank? Oh yeah, 837 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,120 Speaker 3: right after the show, right after the show, direct backpack 838 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,000 Speaker 3: and everything I won't put in my pocket directly in 839 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,399 Speaker 3: the bank. Okay, there it is. 840 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,759 Speaker 4: Oh thanks man. I don't like this hundred that's on 841 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:24,439 Speaker 4: the top though. 842 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the most money you've ever held one time, correct. 843 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:33,280 Speaker 4: Yeah? 844 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,120 Speaker 3: Your hesitation there makes me question some of your maybe 845 00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,160 Speaker 3: previous endeavors if you've ever held more than five thousand dollars. 846 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,399 Speaker 4: I wasn't a cartel at some point, but. 847 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh god, you feel good about this. 848 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,600 Speaker 4: I feel great. I'm gonna put it in my pocket. 849 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:57,480 Speaker 3: Now it's gonna fall out of your You got zippers 850 00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:57,839 Speaker 3: on those? 851 00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 4: No, you don't. 852 00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,440 Speaker 3: This guy, this guy I think is wearing swim trunks 853 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,320 Speaker 3: for the pod, and I just gave him five grand. 854 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,200 Speaker 4: They're actually billionaire boys club shorts. 855 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,680 Speaker 3: Oh, how apropos wearing the old Do you feel like 856 00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:15,000 Speaker 3: a billionaire right now? There? It is worst sports wager 857 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,000 Speaker 3: of my life and it's only halfway paid off, and 858 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 3: God only knows what that then means. I have to 859 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,480 Speaker 3: pay off to your mother once she sees and hears this. 860 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,840 Speaker 3: That's today's pod. We'll talk to you guys on Thursday 861 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:46,880 Speaker 4: All right, folks might not see me here on Thursday.