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Mary Snicks miss and That's what you 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:15.000 Really missed with Jenna and Kevin and I Heart Radio podcast. 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.120 Welcome to and That's what You Really missed podcasts. I 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:24.039 am Jenna Schwitz, I'm Kevin McHale and today's a great day. 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.000 Today is a great day, Kevin, it is. We had 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.640 a really good conversation with one of our besties, Chris 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:36.119 call for Um. We talked about the beginnings of Glee 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:38.840 where we all were as children, and literally he was 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:41.800 a child eighteen years old. He was actually a hyeah. 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:45.040 Um no, it's a really he's just again like we're 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:47.440 going with the theme of like open and honest, and 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.120 I think people really appreciate hearing from him this way. 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:54.160 And um, you know, he's he's He's Chris. He'll always 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.320 be a little Chris to me, but he's all grown 0:01:56.400 --> 0:02:00.600 up now and has nineteen running an empire. Yeah, okay, anyway, 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:04.200 let's get to it. Enjoy a conversation with Chris Colfort. Hi, Chris, 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.280 thank you for coming on here to talk to us. Yeah, 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:10.480 of course, love love love talking to you, guys. We 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.280 are we're grateful to have you here. Chris Coleford for 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:17.280 everybody listening. Um, and I'm excited to talk to you 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:21.400 today about ship we didn't we don't talk about normally, 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:23.600 like we know your audition, we know we know about 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:25.480 like how you got on the show. Like I want 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:30.000 to like dive deeper into like your experience, um, as 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:32.880 much as you're willing to share, um, because it was 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:39.720 so um unique and jarring in some ways, I'm sure 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.040 um and from the outside, you know, looking in and 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:46.240 being like a just kind of close to you, but 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:49.360 like I just can't imagine after all this time and 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.280 space away from the show, like you being able to 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.200 think about things and process them differently and like where 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.520 you're at and all those great things. So um, thanks 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.760 for coming on. Yeah, no, thanks for having me. Who 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.919 do I who do I send the bill to? Oh? 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:07.640 I mean wrong joke. I mean I meant like, this 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:11.440 is therapy and you can billing me any girls are 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:18.200 sent to Ryan Riffy Productions. Very good, Kevin, he seems 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:22.720 to be open to it. So um, well all right, 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.799 let's just jump in. Don't you think Jen and I 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:27.679 were talking about this. I think when you're young, you 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.520 just sort of like we all accepted, like we're all here, 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.760 we got hired and we're doing this thing. But as 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:38.000 now a grown ass man, I was thinking about because 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:40.280 you were the first person I met on the show, 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:44.360 because we auditioned together. But like you, we all had 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:48.480 some sort of like foot in the entertainment business prior 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.240 to this in some way, I mean varying degrees of success, 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:55.960 mostly not success. But you, like we lived in l 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.640 A or New York and you were driving down from 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.320 Clovis like you were very much you're auditioning for things right, 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.640 Like you did have an agent, Like how did how 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.480 did that happen? Like how did you get an agent 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:12.760 in l A and start like auditioning for things that 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:17.159 eventually led to Glee. Well, I grew up doing UM 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:21.440 Community Theater in Fresno slash Clovis, California. I was the 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.760 little boy in every show known to man UM and 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.320 a family friend saw one of the shows that I 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:31.200 was in, and UM happened to have another friend who 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.840 was an agent down here, and so he put us 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:38.000 in UH in touch uh and UM. So I started 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:41.839 auditioning for things when I was a freshman in high school. 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.760 I remember my first audition was for that so raven 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:50.560 um did not get it. Still still better, but so 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.880 I I auditioned for for four years, um and never 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.359 got anything. I got one call back prior to Glee. 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.160 Glee was was the first thing I booked, and I 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.240 booked it shortly after I graduated high school. Um. So 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:06.040 God blessed my parents for driving me back and forth 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:08.600 once a month. Yeah it was a big trip. It's 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:10.680 like a three and a half hour drive. Um. But 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:12.640 they just they were very supportive of me, and they 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.520 knew that there was nothing else I wanted to do. 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.200 Um and um, I didn't really have like a you know, 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:22.400 a raging social life, so they were probably glad I 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.840 was getting out of the house in some form. Um. 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:27.600 But yeah, so yeah, so Glee was the first thing 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:29.560 I ever got, so um yeah it was. It was 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:34.560 crazy because um, being so young and having no professional 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:38.520 experience whatsoever. Was it was. It was crazy to be 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:42.000 thrown into that that uh situation with all of you 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.520 guys who who you know you you know, you guys 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:49.479 were stars to me. I mean I mean we were. 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.000 And it was a spring awakening, like, oh my god, 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:56.400 I was. I was. I was fan girling constantly. Um. 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.119 But it was. Yeah. And then also just like moving 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.840 from clubs to l a so young, um by myself 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:04.640 because I was not going to let my parents move 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.680 move with me. That did you guys talk about them 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:12.360 moving with you? We talked about it. You told them. 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.240 I told them, this is not happening. Because I also 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.120 didn't want people to think that I had stage parents. Um. 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:19.839 And I also, you know, I was eighteen. I was like, 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.280 I want to be with my friends, and I had 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.800 all that that teenagings just so young though, But like 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:31.120 we spent every day together probably that whole pilot because 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:35.000 we were the ones that came from out of town. Yeah, 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.960 you're staying at the Plazza and we basically lived at 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:41.440 the Grove. Yeah. Yeah. I went to movies like every night, 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.080 and literally we went to Disneyland with Lily at one time. 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.240 That was fun, right, we did. We spent a lot 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.520 of time with the cheesecake factory. Oh my god, it's 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:53.039 a factory, to be fair. But Chris, did you always 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.240 want to be just an actor or like was like 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.880 the writing and all of this other amazing things that 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:02.920 you've done, like kind of in in the um in 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.120 the ether for you as well, or did that come later. 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:07.719 It all hit me at the same time when I 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.680 was a kid, because writing and acting were the same 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.880 thing to me, because there are just two different forms 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.920 of playing pretend essentially. Um. It was until I got 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.400 until later, when I was like, I want to say, 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.640 seven or eight, that I started realizing, Oh, like, these 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.560 are two very different things, Like you know there's something, Oh, 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.680 there's something called a script, Like the actors aren't just 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:31.640 making things up in there, you know, on camera on stage. Um, 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.680 but yeah, I know, so I've I've always wanted to 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.160 do both. Wow. I love that you had that realization 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:39.160 at seven or eight and cut to me at like fifteen, 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.240 realizing like, oh, that's a job people do, Like, oh 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.800 maybe I should try that. Yeah, You've always have been 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:50.040 more advanced than me. Chris wrote a pilot for Kurt. 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:55.560 He wrote his own spin off, and the four of 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.080 us would take like Me, Amber, Kevin, and Chris would 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.160 hang out and Chris send it I think to it 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:04.560 to us, and you know, just it was I was like, oh, wow, 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:09.840 like he's he's multi talented. Kids got it all. I 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.040 don't know if I was pretty that script, I don't know. 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.400 I think I think we read it in your apartment. UM, 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.520 oh my god, hopefully were there. Well, usually when we 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:22.160 were doing that, like we um were a little under 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:26.679 the influence of partying. Remember we called him Jack Knights 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:32.800 because Jenna Amber Chris Kevin, Oh my god, night little 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.240 did Chris no coming up that elevator at Fox that 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:39.280 he would be stuck with me for forever? I know? 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:43.440 Did you both audition for Reggie? We had the same side. 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.920 So the thing is we came up. I had made 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:51.040 a like an effort prely auditioning too. I had to 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:54.720 talk with myself like let me be just nice to everyone. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.080 And I feel like this is a competition, like even 0:08:57.600 --> 0:08:59.160 for the same role, Like everyone just trying to get 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.120 a job. It's hard. And this was the first audition 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:07.040 after my trying to exercise that nice auditioning thing. And 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:08.840 we get up in the elevator. It's Chris and I 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.040 and we check in and I helped Chris, not that 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:14.800 you need to help checking in, but like it's like, oh, 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:16.880 he's here too for the same thing. And so then 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:21.319 we go up another elevator together and like we're talking, 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.760 we're nervous, we're nice to each other. And then I 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:25.960 looked down at his sides and I see the exact 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.600 same we had already in regis sides to form like 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:33.680 one audition, and I was like, You've got to be 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:38.520 kidding me. I'm like, I've just been nice to this 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:40.719 kid for a kid I'm like a year and a 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:45.520 half older than him, and and I'm like yeah, I 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:49.520 was like can you And We're sitting there, like outside 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.120 the audition room, and I'm just like, keep it together, 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.199 be nice to him. He's very nice, like there's no 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:59.079 reason to not. And then you like, um, Robert or 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.520 the casting director comes up and starts talking to you 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:06.120 about some person named Kurt, and I'm just like a 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.280 care and I'm like what is happening? And I was 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:11.240 like trying to put together these pieces and I didn't 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.320 want to be overly nosi, so I wasn't trying to 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.440 ask Chris to any director. I mean real, You're like, 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.199 what's happening back there? Well? Yeah, I was like what's 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:22.640 going on? But I was like, in one breath, I 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:26.040 was like, oh, so he's not auditioning for Artie. Oh 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.480 this is great. We can be friends. Yeah, And then 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:34.320 also wait a second, the Regis is out and you're in, like, 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.079 why are you nervous? You know? Which would which would 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.200 not fly today? Let me tell you. Yeah, now a 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.840 lot of things wouldn't fly today, Chris. Yeah. Then them 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:44.880 getting rid of a rid of a character of color 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:48.559 to put to put my pasty acid that would not 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.800 fly at all. Several casting things would not have flown. 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:53.600 Both of you would have been would have been out. 0:10:53.760 --> 0:11:03.200 It would have just been me standing. Yeah, I was progressive. Okay. Anyway, Um, 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:05.240 you know we hung out a lot before of us, 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.080 which was really really fun. Did you kind of fly back? 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.079 Oh no, you didn't, so, Jenny, you flew back to 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.319 New York. And Chris, when you found out you got 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.360 the part, did you just drive back to Clovis? Were 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.560 you driving back to Clovis? We were driving to my 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:21.080 aunt's house who she lived in Santa Barbara. Um. So 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.079 we were in the car on the way after I 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:26.599 think it's right after our final audition, um, either the 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.960 studio or the network auditions. UM. And we got the 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.240 call and oh my god, I remember my mom and 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.240 I just my mom had to pull over. We were screaming. 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.280 So it was just like he was. It was finally 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:40.320 and so it was so strange too, because that moment, 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.000 like I was, I knew it was a pilot. I 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:44.679 knew there was a chance that it wasn't going to go, 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:48.040 but but I just I think, just like my gut 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.360 was like, this is it, this is gonna be this, 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.719 this is happening. Um. And then I never really thought 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.040 twice about it ever, not getting picked up app really 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.240 I did the same thing. I It was when we 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:03.560 all watched thee at Leah's house. She like secretly was 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.720 that secretly she was supposed to be showing us or something, 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:09.000 and she had gotten that she had a yeah, And 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.440 I remember us than having a debate whether or not 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:13.680 we thought people would like it, And I remember that 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:17.360 was the first time that I had sort of approached 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.080 that question at all, because I was like, we had 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.800 a great time doing this. I like this show so sure. 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:25.680 I just didn't think that it was an option for 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.120 people not to also feel the same way we felt 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:31.680 about it. Then the very reality of that being an 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.600 option hadn't crossed my mind. It's like, oh no, I 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:38.160 don't want this like Summer Camp to end. Yeah. I 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.480 remember thinking like there it was a show about kids 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.520 just like me, and like thinking how much of an audience. 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.120 I think people were like, you know, we're worried if 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:47.520 it would have an audience or not. And I always 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:51.480 secretly saying myself, like, of course there's an audience, Like 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:52.960 every theater kid in the world is going to love 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:57.200 this show for sure. For sure, Christy, did you I 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.680 mean we can get into like closer to like preggers 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:04.079 when when that episode came out, But like in the pilot, um, 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.800 what were you what were you thinking was anything like 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:11.520 going through your head in terms of playing, um, a 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:17.360 gay character when you were not out to the world. So, uh, 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.800 my hometown has has come very far, um in the 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.400 last couple of decades. But when I was growing up there, 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:27.319 it was dangerous to be out. Um. Kids would get 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:31.560 beat up. On one occasion, someone got stabbed and on 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:35.520 their way to school. Um. So uh, being out and 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.480 proud was just it was not an option. Uh. And 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:40.559 so when I found out that they had written to 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.760 this character for me, I was I was thrilled, and 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:44.520 then anyone I finally got the script is when I 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:48.880 realized it was the gay character, and I was terrified. Um. 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.680 And I had a family member actually um, not not 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:53.959 my parents of course, but I had a family actually 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.720 asked me, are you going to do this? Like what? 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.200 You can't do this? Like you you can't play a 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.320 gay character like That's that would that would like like 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:06.120 that that would ruin your life essentially. Um and so, 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.640 but I I just wanted to get out and you know, 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:10.960 be part of the industry so badly. I I just 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.079 I knew, I I knew there was no there was 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.360 no option, um but um um And I also I 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:18.280 also I also knew that it would probably force me 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:22.320 to answer and ask questions that myself that I wasn't 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.760 quite ready to do. So um uh. And I'm just 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:27.680 actually kind of grateful for it in a way because 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:31.200 I think it kind of pushed me into to a 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:34.840 path of honesty with myself. Um. But um yeah, no, 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.480 I mean I was. I was absolutely terrified. And um 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:41.040 you know, back then it was like people told told 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:44.680 their clients, don't don't play characters because it'll ruin your career. 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:46.600 But again, I have been auditioning for so long and 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.280 never gotten anything that I did. There was no option 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.160 for me. I had to do it. As scary as 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.400 it was, did it feel like some sort of I 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.360 don't know, judgment on you that this character that you 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.680 knew they had written for you was gay and you 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.360 were not necessarily there with yourself yet like oh absolutely, 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:06.040 Like oh and I do I come off like I'm 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.200 like they just know already. Haven't talked to them about 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.480 this at all. Yeah, they they just assumed and they 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:17.200 were right. They're all like, I mean, I've always always 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.880 been very um well, I was much more feminate back then. Now, 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.680 you know, life is hard in me. Um, but um, 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.160 I started I started that show as Kimmy Schmidt. Now 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:32.400 I feel like I'm friend leewoods. Uh. But yeah, it 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.880 was and and it was, um, I mean it was. 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.120 I mean I was called a fag at every single 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.480 day in high school, um, every single day, like like 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:42.640 like it was. I couldn't hide it, you know. I 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.440 just I just wasn't ready to have that conversation with 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.680 myself for anyone I knew yet. Um. And so so 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:50.080 yeah I did it. Did It did kind of feel 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:54.400 like a judgment. It could kind of feel like, um, 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.160 I don't it's it's it's so weird because it's like 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:58.040 it's like the world has come so far and I've 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.600 come so far. It's it's so hard to go back 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.280 and remember exactly how I felt in that moment. But 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.360 I think it was just I was just so happy 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.320 to finally get a job and and have an opportunity 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:11.880 to do what I wanted to do. I believe that's 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.760 really all I was really focused on at that age. 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:16.680 You're like, yeah, whatever they want me to do, I'm 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:18.760 just going to do it. Yeah. Yeah, I like me 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:20.880 have to hire me in the first place. Yeah. Do 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:24.600 you remember when we say, like, oh, do it for free? Yeah? Yeah, literally, 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.520 like we were to get hired. Are you kidding me? 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.040 Like no, we had the best time. I mean we 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.160 were having like the best time in the world in 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:37.880 those beginning times. Like that was such a special um 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:41.040 a couple of like years of like you know, our 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.760 our lives. But I remember you so vividly in that time, 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:48.880 like so like you were so excited that I was 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.000 part of Spring Awakening, and it kind of like gave 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.360 me a different look outlook on like what I was 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.560 doing and Broadway at the time too, because I had 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.840 just been so wrapped up in Broadway too with Leah. 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:01.040 But like you came in from you know, this small town, 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.520 like oh my god, she's been on Broadway and that 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.840 was really cool for me. Um. But also it's just 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:11.480 like this sweet, sweet young boy who like is going 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:15.600 to be thrust into the the arms of some crazy 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:19.680 old grandma. That's kind of rap your eyes out and know, 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.399 I just you know, and I felt protective of you 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.480 in many ways just because of that. And I think 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:30.080 we all did something. Yeah, I was. I was definitely 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.800 the baby brother of the group for sure. When did 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.159 we all start hanging out like that, like when we 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:36.960 would go to each other's houses. Was that when we 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:41.840 came back to do Showmance, Yes, because I moved into 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:48.320 the park Libreya y scary elevator that used to drop 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:54.000 like five I just remember every the first image that 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:55.960 comes to my mind. We talked about the places Amber 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:01.639 leaning outside of the window cigarette and I was like, 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:06.160 she can't smoke a cigarette her voice and she's like yeah, 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.760 and she's like it's fine, and it's like if the 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:10.840 wind were so high up and I was like, these 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:15.720 guys are crazy, jenuine we need to spring awakening. Because 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.840 this was the first like moment. I mean, it was 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:20.919 the first show I've ever been on like this, and 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.240 it was the first moment I had ever been part 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:26.639 of a cast, and so that was that was this, 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.439 how this happened was all I knew that we were 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.800 all bonding, we were all it was just like we 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.040 were friends. There was no job involved. It was Spring 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.000 Awakening like that, Like were you used to this or 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.320 was this even more intense because you had to move somewhere? 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.920 And it was more intense because I had to move somewhere. 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:43.880 And I think that's like Chris and I really clung 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:45.720 to each other and we drive to work every day 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:48.320 together just because like you know, they're everybody else had 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:51.240 their own lives going on outside of Glee, but like 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:53.600 we moved into l A, and l A was Glee 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:57.080 for us so um. But but being in Spring Awakening 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:00.320 because the casts were so young, like you were very 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.920 close and there was lots of you know, Drew drama 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.200 and lots of like you know, I don't know, interloping, 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:07.880 whatever you want to call it, but like we were 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.720 just you know, it was very intertwined. But this was 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:15.000 even more um just because the sheer size of what 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.560 it was. And then also like living in our bubble 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.440 of like um because I wasn't a part of the 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:24.359 original cast spring making either, So I didn't experience that like, um, 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:26.840 intense pressure and all the press and all the things 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:29.640 that they were doing. Um, I kind of came afterwards. 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:42.640 So you got it on this one though. Yeah, we 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.440 were all such a tight unit, as we keep saying. 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:47.600 But did you have that in high school or is 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:50.560 this like your core group of friends like this and 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:51.920 then you leave and then all of a sudden you 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:54.000 have another core group of friends or was this sort 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:57.000 of this was our college so it was this sort 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.640 of like the first time that we were I don't 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:00.960 know if we you want to say this, but like 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:06.560 drinking and partying and hanging out with one another being young. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:09.720 no I UMU was such a goodie two shoes. I 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:14.119 never um, I never went to those parties. I also 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:19.680 was never invited. Um they didn't know they were missing. Yeah, yeah, no, 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:23.840 they didn't want my European History Fund facts. Um we 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:29.520 did you guys? Did you guys? Did um? I? Um? 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:32.399 You know, I actually I really did not have a 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:35.840 core group of friends when I was growing up. Um, 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:37.080 maybe a little bit when I was when I was 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:39.359 younger and I was doing like the shows in community theater, 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.439 but but not not in high school for sure, definitely not. Um. 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:44.240 I would like I would spend I would eat lunch 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:45.919 with the lunch ladies because I thought they were they 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:49.840 were great. Um. And I was very close with the teachers, um, 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:52.159 and would spend you know, breaks and lunches in their 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:54.120 classrooms and stuff. But I know, you guys are really 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:56.720 my first my first core group of friends or my 0:20:56.760 --> 0:21:02.800 own age. Sorry. Yeah, just like and that that that 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:08.679 explains a lot about me. The imprint we made, the 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:15.920 residual trauma. Right, um, let's let's talk about um night terror. Sorry, 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:22.760 that's also learning about Chris's night terrors. Wake up? Yeah, 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:26.240 I still do that? Do you really not to laugh 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:29.520 at it? I just had. We were like, we don't 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:32.679 have sleepovers every weekend all the time, and I just 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:36.520