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Speaker 1: see you there. Mary Snicks miss and That's what you

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Speaker 1: Really missed with Jenna and Kevin and I Heart Radio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to and That's what You Really missed podcasts. I

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Speaker 1: am Jenna Schwitz, I'm Kevin McHale and today's a great day.

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Speaker 1: Today is a great day, Kevin, it is. We had

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Speaker 1: thank you for coming on here to talk to us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: today about ship we didn't we don't talk about normally,

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Speaker 1: for coming on. Yeah, no, thanks for having me. Who

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Speaker 1: lot of things wouldn't fly today, Chris. Yeah. Then them

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Speaker 1: at the time, like the idea of like a laundry

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00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 1: Matt was just like the scariest thing. Oh yeah, and

428
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: it's still scarest me. You're from suburbia like you gotta

429
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 1: have that washing entire suburbia. Yeah. I had only learned

430
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: the year before, so I I am with you. I

431
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 1: also my first job was at a dry cleaner, so

432
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,479
Speaker 1: that that, yeah, that had something to do with it too,

433
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: makes sense. And sorry, I we digress. What were we

434
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: talking about? Um? Oh? Yeah, I started talking? Yeah? Did

435
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: you did you know? You both knew that you guys

436
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 1: were gay, but you didn't like Chris was more out.

437
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 1: I don't think the show, but like Kevin was a

438
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: little bit later than than that, well outside of our

439
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 1: core group, yes, but like us, I don't I don't

440
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: know if you named it. It wasn't like we were

441
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: like you gay, you gay. It wasn't that. It was

442
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: just like an understanding. Oh. It was just like talking

443
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: about oh yeah, I I I think I like boys,

444
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 1: or I've hooked up with a guy before, and just

445
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: sort of like the exchange of information of our experience levels.

446
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: It was. It was yeah. And also I felt like

447
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: because I had one of my best friends in high school,

448
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: she and I sort of like came out to each

449
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: other senior year, and so I had at least one

450
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: person I could tell everything too in that way, which

451
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: was like a huge relief, like a huge asset. And

452
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: I just remember, like you, I'm like, I if he

453
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: wants to talk about talk about this, if he is

454
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: gay or maybe he's not. I just wanted to put

455
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 1: myself out there in a way that you knew because

456
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,719
Speaker 1: it was scary to tell people. And I came from

457
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: a world and I was like, I'm never telling anyone ever,

458
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: Like that's just not gonna happen. And but I was like,

459
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: I feel like we need to have some sort of

460
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: like trust within each other, and if he needs to

461
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: talk to somebody, like I would be so happy to

462
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: be the person. But and the four of us got

463
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: together and we were all just whatever. We talked about

464
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: everything well. I mean, I had a crush on Kevin

465
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,479
Speaker 1: earlier on and Chris like found out about it, and

466
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: he put a printed photo of Kevin in my drawer

467
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: and I completely forgot about that and it was a

468
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: printed photo of Kevin and my underwear drawer. I remember that.

469
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: Thank you Chris again again A little brother, little brother.

470
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: Remember when we spent that we had to sleep over

471
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: at your house, Jenna, and I remember you calling me like,

472
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: look at this picture. It's like you were like we're

473
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: giving like tiger faces or something. Anyway. I okay, so

474
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: let's talk about let's I'm curious because this also kind

475
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: of ties into my next question of like Chris, when

476
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: when Pragers was coming out and we were doing single

477
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: Ladies and this was like the real episode that like

478
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: this beautiful episode with you and Michaelmalley, um, where Kurt

479
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: comes out, Like I feel like we were all kind

480
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: of like is he ready for this? Does he? You know,

481
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: like how does he feel? But I don't know that

482
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: we ever like actually asked you that, like what were

483
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: you feeling and like did you feel supported at the time?

484
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: And like could were you prepared? You know? If I'm

485
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: completely honest, there there you guys aside there there really

486
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: wasn't much support for for for um uh young gay

487
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: people back then. Um. I think it's it's it's like

488
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: I think the whole thing with the what's his name?

489
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: From Heartbreakers show that that thing that just happened right now, Yeah,

490
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: that absolutely broke my heart because essentially the same thing

491
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: happened to me. Um but in fifteen years ago, and

492
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: were we were the same age immediately when that happened,

493
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: when yeah, and I really wanted to, you know, tweet

494
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: something in support of him. But I asked to just

495
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like, you know, the old

496
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: guy trying to get attention, you know, trying to take

497
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: someone and be like, oh, I don't know now, I'm

498
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: sure you would have appreciated. It's also such a specific

499
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: thing to experience that you may be one of the

500
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: only other people that can't actually to r and it's like,

501
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, I I think coming out is I highly recommended.

502
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the best things I've ever done. Um.

503
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: I highly I highly encourage everyone to come out when

504
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: they are ready. UM. But to force someone to come out,

505
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: especially publicly, that you know, unfortunately that when when you

506
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: come out publicly, it does put your career and your

507
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: safety at risk. I wish, I wish that wasn't the case.

508
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: But there's still a lot of homophobia in this world,

509
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: and there's still a lot of homophobia in this industry. Um. Again,

510
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: I I can't emphasize enough how much I I think

511
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: coming out is the best thing you could possibly do

512
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 1: for yourself, so you get to have that freedom. Uh.

513
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: But UM, for anyone to to push someone into that,

514
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: I think that is just one of the cruelest things

515
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: you could you could possibly do. Um. So, but one

516
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: silver lining that I that I saw from from that

517
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: was how much support. Uh. People were furious that it

518
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: happened to him people, you know, And I think that's

519
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: proof like how far the community, how far the community

520
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: has come, because when it happened to me, it was

521
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: it was very much like I deserved it. It was

522
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: crickets and it was I deserved it. Um, Like you

523
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: know what you signed for, right, I know, it's what

524
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: I signed up for. Um. It was obvious. So therefore

525
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: therefore I had no reason to be upset about it.

526
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: That's a big thing. I think that was. Yeah, that's

527
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: a huge putting that on you, that it was obvious

528
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: and it was obvious. And the thing is I at

529
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 1: the time, I like, I wasn't ashamed of it at all.

530
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: I I very much knew that. I just you know,

531
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to be on a boat before I called

532
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: myself a sailor. You know, I didn't want to label myself.

533
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know because I didn't have the experiences to

534
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: know for sure yet. Um. And uh, yeah, so so

535
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: there was there was that there was very little support.

536
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: I would say back then, and that that was that

537
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: made it a very very lonely experience. I mean, I

538
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: remember I was even dirinkly. I would I would get

539
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, I would get called a faggot at auditions,

540
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: um by casting directors and producers and directors and um.

541
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: And like when I would tell people those stories, they

542
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: would they would just say like, well, what do you

543
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: expect You're you're an openly gay actor in Hollywood? What

544
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: do you expect? You know? And now now I feel

545
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: like if if that sort of like that was was

546
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: ever leaked, you know, people would career, people would bring pitchforks.

547
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: You know, you know, it's totally curious. Um so um. Yeah,

548
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: so sorry, that's a long, long winded answer. You say

549
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,479
Speaker 1: there wasn't much There wasn't much support back then. I

550
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: feel like I remember too, like and correct me if

551
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,959
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Like you, I feel like there was a

552
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: moment to like the show had been airing, and I

553
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: feel like you went on a talk show or something

554
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: and somebody and I don't remember, like I don't know

555
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: if it was like Chelsea Handler or something where yeah yeah,

556
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: and she just like I was like, oh, so you're gay,

557
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: and and I remember after that something felt different or

558
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: something felt weird in the sense of like he hasn't

559
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 1: said that publicly and like she's taking it based off

560
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: of the character, and no, actually she we we planned that,

561
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: did you like? I I That's one of the reasons

562
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: why I went on her shows because I remember watching

563
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: it and being like scared and concerned. Yeah, because what

564
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: happened was I during the first round of press for

565
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: the first season, UM, I did an interview with UM

566
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: with a with a publication, I'll say a publication, UM

567
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: and uh. They asked me questions that the character about

568
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: the show, not not one same question about me. And

569
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: the article that was published was was it was It

570
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: was basically like you know, oh, you know Chris coover

571
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: this out and proud young kid, and I was and

572
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like eighteen, and you know,

573
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: I hadn't even had the conversation with my parents or myself,

574
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, So it was it was just terrifying and

575
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: and UM and I was devastated because it was just

576
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: I just I wasn't ready. I was not ready to

577
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: to to go there. And then UM and I was

578
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: I was also afraid that UM, because I was so

579
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: different from my character, Like the more similarities that that

580
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: were presented between me and my character, the less of

581
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: an actor people would think that I was, and that

582
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: that that was also a fear that I had, UM

583
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: and so and so then I did another interview where

584
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: they they flat out asked me and I said, oh,

585
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: I just want to I I think I said, I

586
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: want to keep some mystery, you know. And then people

587
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: were furious with me. Um, like all the blogs they

588
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: were like, well, we you know, how dare you? Like?

589
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: How you know all this all that, like, I mean,

590
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: just awful awful things to say to an eighteen year

591
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: old um for you know not you know. Um, it was,

592
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: it was. It was a awful awful week. Um. And

593
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: so I I told my team, I was like, I

594
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: just want to I would rather read the unicorn than

595
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: the elephant in the room, right, So I I just

596
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: need I need to, I need to clarify it. Um

597
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: and uh and I did and UM it was terrifying,

598
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: but um terrifying and in a bit of a nightmare.

599
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: But then once all the press stuff started dying down

600
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: and I started doing the letters from kids around the

601
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: world and the messages and you know, from kids from Egypt.

602
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: You know that that that that legally could not come out,

603
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, things like that. That's when it was all

604
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: it was all worth it, worth worth it for me, right. Yeah.

605
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, it feels like amongst all

606
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: the the things you didn't ask for, um, part of

607
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: it is like I don't know that you could have

608
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: ever projected, like we could have ever seen what kind

609
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: of an icon Kurt and Chris became in the media

610
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: as well as one of the first you know, gay

611
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: men out, and then we see the first gate you

612
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: know kiss and and just all of these things that

613
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: were happening on this massive show that millions of people watching.

614
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: That there was like this massive responsibility thrust upon you

615
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: at eighteen years old, that you had just been brought

616
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: out um again, not against your world, you know, before

617
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: you were ready and then I wasn't right yet. Yeah,

618
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: and then this massive responsibility as well, like did that

619
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: feel like did you feel pressure? Did you feel like

620
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: those letters kind of got you through? Oh? Absolutely? And

621
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: and and there were so many really truly horrifying experiences

622
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: that I that I went through at that time, UM,

623
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: And I never vocalized them because because because of that responsibility.

624
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: I feel like I had a responsibility to be almost

625
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: more of a it sounds so, you know, I was

626
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: very pretentious when I was eighteen, looking back, right right,

627
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: looking back now, I'm like, okay, he was, he needed

628
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: to calm down. Um, but no, I feel like I

629
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: had this responsibility to sort of, um live the fans,

630
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: to be to live the fantasy that the show was creating,

631
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: and and and to only h to only have positivity

632
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: surrounding me so so to other kids and other you know,

633
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: adults even wouldn't be afraid to come out. Um. So

634
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: there was a lot that I internalized at that time.

635
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll do a book about it someday. I'm

636
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: sure you will, Chris, Yeah, I'm sorry. Well, I mean

637
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: I might also will throw one of those through, one

638
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: of those into the collection to the collection of a

639
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: hundred yeah, uh yeah, yeah, so yeah absolutely. And sometimes

640
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: sometimes the pressure was suffocating. Um. And it was you know,

641
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: getting getting death threats constantly, and then and then having

642
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: to put on a smile and and and and you know, uh,

643
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: you know, I I had I had horrible agoraphobia for

644
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: for a while because I was too afraid to leave

645
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: the house, yeah, um to go with you though somewhere

646
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: like people were also as much they love another level,

647
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: but they were very like when we went in public places,

648
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: the response to us was one thing. The response to

649
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: you was very physical. People people would come on you,

650
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: would grab me you and touch you, and it was

651
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: like you were probably the most introverted like out of

652
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: all of us. And maybe it was because with the responsibility,

653
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: maybe you were just treating yeah where it was I've

654
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: had to explain to a lot of people over the

655
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: years where the response like to your daily life, You're

656
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: going grocery shopping, know, you had to stop because everything

657
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: everywhere you went, you were so recognizable and people had

658
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: such a passionate and strong response to you. It was

659
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: like unlike anything I had ever seen. And I don't

660
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: think it was like a switch. I remember we went

661
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: to Disneyland or something like that, all of a sudden

662
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: people were treating you very differently. And maybe it was

663
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: after preggers where there was this new sense of ownership

664
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: over you, but no one knew you, and it was like, well,

665
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: this is our friend, like back off, yeah, yeah, oh,

666
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: I guess you're so sweet. Thank you, thank you, thank

667
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: you for saying all that it makes me feel so

668
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: you guys are so sweet for saying all these But yeah,

669
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: I remember we were in Australia when um we're in

670
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: Australia when Preggers aired, and I remember I remember leaving

671
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: for Australia, like when we came back life life was

672
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: we got off that. Yeah, we got off that plane

673
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: and then it was I think for like a lot

674
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: of us, because it was like the second or third

675
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: episode that you know I started airing and the audience

676
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: started building and building, and yeah, I remember that was

677
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: just strange. It's like we went to a different world

678
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: when we came back to a different world. Yes, we

679
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: went to our first gate club. Sorry, oh my god,

680
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: we know, I climbed the spider whip and they announced

681
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: that you guys were there, right. That was in Arizona.

682
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: But we were in Australia and it was our last

683
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: night and we were going out and like Chris and

684
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: I were the last two remaining, and we each had

685
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: like a boy we were sort of like interested in.

686
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: And then our boys went home together. We got to

687
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: the class. So then we then Kevin I went back

688
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: to the hotel. They're our jails I'm like, what do

689
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: we do? What we do was because I climbed the

690
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: spiderwhib speaking of because the two of you guys had

691
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: like this little kind of knowing relationship. Um, we were curious, Chris,

692
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: like because Kevin didn't have to come out because he

693
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: wasn't outed, because people didn't really assume um because already

694
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: wasn't Like what did that? Did you feel angry at all,

695
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: like at that or resemble at all? Oh? Absolutely absolutely,

696
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: if if I'm being completely honest, absolutely, I mean more

697
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: so more sort just towards the situation, not not not

698
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: you personally, Kevin, but which was like the yeah, yeah,

699
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure you deserved it to um, but no, because

700
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: I at the time, I feel like like the people

701
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: listening to have a drinking game every time I say,

702
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: at the time, take a shot. But at the time

703
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: they were sort of like this like underground gay world

704
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: in the industry, UM that I just didn't get to

705
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: participate in. UM like yeah yeah. And I feel like

706
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: Kevin like got to see people, got to date people

707
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: who were also closeted, where like I would go somewhere

708
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: and like I would be pulled out of photos by

709
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 1: publicists and agents because they did not want their clients

710
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: taking a photo with me because they did not want

711
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: like us to start and so so it that that

712
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: was really that was way tough. But um, I mean,

713
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: I like, I didn't I didn't go on my first

714
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: date until I was twenty um um. And I remember

715
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 1: actually I missed the Grammys to go on my first date.

716
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: Um yeah, yeah. I got asked out and he was like,

717
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: what are you doing Sunday? And I opened my calendar,

718
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: said Grammys and I said nothing, I'm free. But because

719
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: I was just so desperate, Yeah, what's another award show? Yeah,

720
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 1: we weren't. We didn't win anyway, we didn't win anyway,

721
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: and and Cord got to go in my place and

722
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that's that's that's good, you know.

723
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: So um uh so yeah that was that. That really

724
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: was just it's just why I mean, it's I think

725
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: it's way different now. Um. I remember that too, because

726
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: I remember because we were so close and all of

727
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: a sudden when all that stuff started happening to you,

728
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: everything you just explained, which I didn't know as in

729
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: depth then where it was sort of like the first

730
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: little riff or riff or like distance I felt out

731
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: of any of us, and I was like, oh no,

732
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, I hope he's not mad at me. I

733
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: don't know what I did. And I remember talking into

734
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: Amber and pulling her aside, and she explained it to me,

735
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, well that makes a lot

736
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: of sense. And I was like, say something. She's like,

737
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: just give him time, Just give him like he's going

738
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: through a lot. And I was so thankful that she

739
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: was just so honest and open because we were like that,

740
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: and I I didn't want anything to get in between us,

741
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: like our core friendship, because at that like that was

742
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: the most important thing to me that was coming out

743
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: of this show or in the experience. And so I

744
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 1: do remember um sort of like walking on eggshells around

745
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: you for like a couple of months, but your life

746
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: had completely been upended and mine was relatively the exact same,

747
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: and so I think I knew that I needed to

748
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: just give you space because I was representative of the

749
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: thing you were not able to have a different sort

750
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: of way of living at that moment. But I also

751
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: envied you in a lot of ways because I I

752
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: didn't know how or if I ever would do that,

753
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, Oh, at least he's sort of

754
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: like you said, it's pushed you to have to reconcile

755
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: with yourself and reconcile with what that um meant maybe

756
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: publicly going forward, and so there was a part of me.

757
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: But I think honestly, once I saw all this ship

758
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: you had to go through, I was like, and we're

759
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: gonna step that back down. No one's going to know that. Yeah,

760
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: it looks like a picnic and Chernobyl. Yeah, so the

761
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: only time I will make out with someone is halfway

762
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: around the world in Australia. Yep. That's oh my gosh.

763
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: I was and I there was a point where Kevin

764
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: even knew, like there was something about it that I

765
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: was like, is he ever going to come out? And

766
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: you're like, and somebody said, he doesn't have to announce it,

767
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to you. You're like, you're totally right.

768
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: We just live in this media bubble where like everything

769
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: has to be announced and you know, presented in some way.

770
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: But it was more like, I just wanted you to

771
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: be honest with yourself enough to be open with other people,

772
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: and and that came with time obviously, But you know,

773
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: we're all just so involved with each other's lives at

774
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: that point that you're like constantly thinking about all that.

775
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: There was also some pushback or at the top some

776
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: of the executives um that worked on our show. I

777
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: won't name names, but there were there was There were

778
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: like two schools of thought. One person was very much

779
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: what are you doing? You need to come out, because

780
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: at some point, I think at the end of the

781
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: first season, we were all like at upfronts or something,

782
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: and I drunkenly came out to everyone and one of

783
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: them was very would give me ship regularly afterwards, like

784
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: you you need to come out. This is like you

785
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: can't live like this, this is a lie. And I'm

786
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: like I'm fine, I'm sort of um. And then that

787
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: he was just like, well, yeah, we're taught to sort

788
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: of fetishize the secret nous of it all. And I

789
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, let me try to wrap my

790
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: head around that. And then there was also somebody else

791
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you can never come out, you need

792
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: to do that, don't ever do it. Yeah. Yeah, And

793
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: so I was very much battling those two camps the

794
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: whole time as well, and I was like, I'm just

795
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: gonna ignore it and pretend nothing's happening. Did you have

796
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: anyone say anything to you Chris, Like, oh yeah, I had.

797
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: I had many people tell me tell me, um, uh,

798
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: never never say it. Just just be a mystery. And

799
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: I never say it even even even if people know,

800
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: just just you know, you're you're. You're more likely to

801
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: get casts and things if you don't say it than

802
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: if you do. Um, you're you know. Um. I had

803
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: someone say, um, you need you need, you need to

804
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: have a fake girlfriend, find a fake girlfriend, which okay, yeah,

805
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: people were going to believe that, um general my fat girlfriend.

806
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, I remember, Yeah, that was Those are fun though,

807
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: those those are kind of those are fun days. Um,

808
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: my past with gay men, it's you invented being gay.

809
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: You supported the community. Jendaye, I am a gay man. Okay,

810
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: that's true. Let's talk aboutly for a second. Um, like

811
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: Curtain Burt became such this iconic duo. Um, what was

812
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: it like working with Mike and was he like what

813
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: was he like for you? And in terms of like

814
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: support for like on set and all of that, and

815
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: can you talk about a dream A wonderful absolutely wonderful.

816
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: I loved love working with him loved every single thing

817
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: we did. Um. I think I think that is. I

818
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: think that relationship is. Um. You know, the curtain blame

819
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: thing took off pretty became pretty big, but um, I

820
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: always think the curtain Burt thing was a little more

821
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: um yeah important. Um And like, UM, I would be

822
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: you know a few times I would go to the

823
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: grocery store, like I have grown straight men walk up

824
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: to me in tears and tell me how much it

825
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: meant to them, you know, because it was like they

826
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: put themselves in that situation. They asked themselves, would I

827
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: support my child if you know, if they were if

828
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: they were gay. Um. So, so yeah, that was I think,

829
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: I think and I think it was. I think I do.

830
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: I think it was. Um, one of the best parts

831
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: of the show. It was, was that relationship great. I

832
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: think it was the heart of like that was sort

833
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: of the foundation of There was a singing in the

834
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 1: comedy and high school relationships, but that was the most

835
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: I think thought through and make meaningful relationship in the

836
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: entire series. Yeah. And I remember when I got that script,

837
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: when I got Greggors and I read, you know at

838
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: the very end, um that the dad accepts him. I

839
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: was furious. I was like, no, this is supposed to

840
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: be Miami moment, Like, this is supposed to be the

841
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: you know when I get to cry and scream and

842
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: get kicked out, and I was like, what are they doing?

843
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: What's wrong with them? You got to cry? Other times

844
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: I cried. You were so good at it. It gave

845
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: me a confixt you know it. I'm sure that comes

846
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: with me at the Night Terrors too. It's a those

847
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: were pretty um those scenes within though too and Curtain

848
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: like so powerful, so good, yeah, really really good. When

849
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: I feel like those like those scenes took with with

850
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: Burton and Finn, like they were so real, they were

851
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: so authentic, and and I kind of made me almost

852
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: resent the stuff with Curtain Blaine, because it was kind

853
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: of all fairy tale, you know, it was all like fantasy.

854
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: It was all like you know, you know, you know,

855
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: you know, young gay people go through quite a lot

856
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: in high school, you know, finding a soul mate, uh at,

857
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen probably isn't experienced many people can resonate with.

858
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: So um. I really missed all that that stuff, the

859
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: more authentic stuff. That's really interesting that that makes like

860
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: a lot of sense when when you say it now,

861
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, you're right, Like what,

862
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: we didn't get to work with you and Blaine like

863
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: a whole ton, or like you and Darren like a ton.

864
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: We were around you guys, but like you know, you're

865
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: you're big numbers, and things were kind of off on.

866
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: We were not in the story on their own, and yeah,

867
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: I wish I were in the story Lane, but but

868
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: they but you guys did have like the proposal and

869
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: the things. It was always so massive and maybe that

870
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: was just in like in Ryan's mind, like what he

871
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: wished he had her, you know what I mean, just

872
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: like large kind of bigger than life stories. But that

873
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Well, it's like they're both

874
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: fulfilling like different fantasies. Yes, having the dad that you

875
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: want to have and then having the great love in

876
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: high school. I guess you never get yeah yeah, because

877
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, how many books have you I'm honestly,

878
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm just floored by it, I really am. I'm just

879
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: I've knew, always known you were a writer to be

880
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 1: a bestseller, to write and whenever we text Chris or like,

881
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: we'll be like, hey, we're doing this and he's like

882
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm writing and you're like, Okay, bye, see you in

883
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: a moment. Yeah. But I'm like when he's like out

884
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: of his writing cave because then like I'll see him

885
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: out on the town. Yeah. But it was like we're

886
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: going to see him every weekend. Yeah, it's the Land

887
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: of Stories. Though. Congrats it's ten years, right, ten years.

888
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: How many books have you written now? I am. I'm

889
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: currently writing book number nineteen. Oh my insanee. Oh god,

890
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: that's absolutely insane. You're a maniac. I love it. I

891
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: also wrote a movie in like years three two or

892
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: three of Glee. Yes, yes, like Lightning. Remember when you're writing,

893
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: when you're writing the first book and you were just

894
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: like we were all there talking ship, talking about things

895
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: that does not matter, and you're like when when did

896
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: those stories come to you? And when did you decide

897
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: you were going to write them. I just want to

898
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: talk about it for a second because it deserves so.

899
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: The main characters, Alex and Connor, have have been my

900
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: imaginary best friends since I was as for as long

901
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: as I can remember. My mom used to read me

902
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: fairy Tale before I would go to bed that night,

903
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: and I would always have these crazy questions about the

904
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: characters and the kingdoms and the motives and whatnot. And

905
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: she got so tired of answering these questions for me.

906
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: One night she said, Christopher, you're so if you're so inquisitive,

907
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:17,959
Speaker 1: why don't you just write your own down fairy tale?

908
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: Um and so I started and um, and it was

909
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,959
Speaker 1: really wonderful because, um, my sister got very very sick.

910
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: But when when I was young, UM, and so I

911
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: used the Land of Stories as as an escape whenever,

912
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: like she would, you know, have a grandma seizure or

913
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, an epileptic fit or or something, I would

914
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: just I would just get up my pad paper and

915
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: start drawing pictures of the Land of Stories or start

916
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: writing you a little stories about land stories. So it really, really,

917
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: uh was a very very therapeutic tool. And then years later,

918
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: going back to what we were just talking to talk

919
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: about earlier, when all that stuff was happening, UM, and

920
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I had all the pressure about

921
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: being out and whatnot, I suddenly like found myself thinking

922
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: about land stories again and again. And so it's really

923
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: land Stories has always saved me twice um in my life. UM.

924
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: And then um, everyone wanted me to do an autobiography,

925
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, absolutely not, I'm nineteen, that is

926
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: horrible idea. Um. So I was like, what I'd love

927
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: to do a children's book, and and so luckily I

928
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: found the right right publisher. Wow. Wow, that's I've been

929
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: working with them ever since. Yeah, broke amazing, Yeah, exactly amazing. Um. Sorry,

930
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just blown away. Its book nineteen and really,

931
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: how many have been published? How many you're out? Yeah,

932
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm just like shocked at like how I've known you

933
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: for this long and I don't even I can barely

934
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 1: get my shoes on in the morning. And he's written

935
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: nineteen books. Oh I do a bare Okay, good, Okay,

936
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: that makes yourself. You've made a human. That's pretty impressive.

937
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: You've made a human with your body. Fair enough, fair enough,

938
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: fair enough. I have nothing to show, only two fine months. No,

939
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: that's it. She'll take care of you when you're older.

940
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: These books aren't gonna do ship for me. I don't

941
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: know the check. Yeah, do you have any Glee favorites?

942
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: Favorite song do you have? Do you have a favorite

943
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: song that we did? Um? Or I'm more just in

944
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: what you hated the most? What I hate? Oh my god,

945
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: what what was your least favorite song to do? Least favorite? Um?

946
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I think Umbrella was rough. Oh that

947
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: was just the water And I was really upset at that,

948
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, and we're all just like ruining. Um,

949
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: I think, um whatever that number we did? And oh no,

950
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 1: I hated Ben when I had been Michael Jackson episode

951
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: cut didn't it? God? I hope so maybe didn't. I

952
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: was like, of all the songs in his catalog, this

953
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: is the one, this is the one that I and

954
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: I had to sing to my my my lover who

955
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: was in a hospital. Bit like top I can't it

956
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 1: was it was about a rat. I mean, I gotta

957
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: I gotta say Turkey Lurkey really is up. Oh that

958
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: made me so angry. I had worked for years to

959
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: get a Scissor Sister song on that show, and then

960
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: they matched up with so you're the one that's been

961
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: sending Ryan hate mail for that song. There's like there's

962
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: like uproar about about when that member. Hands are just

963
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: really upset about that. That it was And then I

964
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: had to go back because because because the Scissor Sisters

965
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: were my friends, Jake and On and I had to

966
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: go back and apologize because I was just I was devastated. Um,

967
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: I think I think I think the worst one of

968
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: all time was was Thriller? Right? That was? That was

969
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: the Everyone hates that one the most. It It took

970
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: a month to shoot because we kept they kept canceling

971
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: the night shoot. It was the worst to shoot. It was.

972
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: And I mean, while I wasn't even and I was

973
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: warm in my trailer watching the parent traffic Roman Dott

974
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: shut up. Really I wasn't. I wasn't because Mike Kurt

975
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: wasn't at McKinley at that time. I was. I was

976
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: see what happens when you suggest songs? A lot of

977
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: times it backfired because it didn't happen the way you

978
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: wanted it to. That's right. I was so desperate from

979
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson and then three hours of prosthetic makeup and

980
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: bronchitis and the flu, yeah, pneumonia and yeaheen degrees like,

981
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: oh never mind, I take it back. We're recapping UM

982
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 1: Showmance soon and um we got that's a great episode.

983
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 1: It's an excellent episode. I think it's better than the pilot.

984
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: Oh wow, eight doesen. I watched it last time. I

985
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, but push it. Oh my god.

986
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: I was laughing, and I was like, this still laps.

987
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: This is really funny. It's really really funny. We all go,

988
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: We all really got into it, and we as the

989
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: things we had to do to each other in that number. Yeah,

990
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: we did. We got close real quick. Wasn't there like

991
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: didn't we have to learn like five different versions of it?

992
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: That was really I thought that was don't stop. There

993
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: were stop. There were five different versions and push it.

994
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: There were varying degrees of like sluttiness right right right right,

995
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: and they kept it all. We did the most extreme version.

996
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: Do you remember when we showed We had to rehearse

997
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: it for the crew that morning, Like we had been

998
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: sitting with this number for like three or four weeks,

999
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: and then we get in there and I just remember

1000
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 1: sweet Andrew Mitchell's face were like looking out at everyone,

1001
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: and it's very early in the morning, and then all

1002
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden, we're all humping each other. It's basically

1003
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: like the audience's reaction to it was like because there

1004
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: was a pilot, you know, there was nothing, there was

1005
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: nothing that was like vulgar or really like in this

1006
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: which is full full. Yeah. Do you remember do you

1007
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: remember the claw hands that you kept having on your

1008
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: your pants smallpants? That's what I swamp swampants. Okay, so

1009
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: everybody can start watching the show now for my swamp hands,

1010
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: which I still I still do. There's something about the

1011
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: way that my my limbs and my um my joints

1012
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: go that like, this is really comfortable. I even sleep

1013
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: like this. It's the game man in you cons and

1014
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: wrist break the swamp hands. Um. I still also um.

1015
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: Before we let you go, we have to talk about

1016
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: your Golden Globe win for a second, because right this

1017
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: was one of the best moments of my life. Oh gosh.

1018
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: We sat there and we're at the table with you

1019
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: and they and they're like the winner is and they

1020
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: call your name and I saw and I'll never forget it.

1021
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: The color leave your same. Yeah, And there wasn't much

1022
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: he was trying. You were translucent. You turned into Casper, right, absolutely,

1023
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: I will never I was flush. We were like, Chris,

1024
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: you have to go up. Yeah. Yeah. Someone I think

1025
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: it was either Diana or actually had to pull me up.

1026
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: I feel like both of them did. And we're screaming

1027
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: while screaming at that table. You can watch it on YouTube,

1028
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: but I don't even I don't even remember. I don't

1029
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: remember that, Like I I I literally left my body

1030
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: and I just I just gone through something similar at

1031
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: the Emmy's. We're going up the Emmy's. Every like award

1032
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: prediction said I was going to win the Emmy and

1033
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: then I didn't. And then the Golden Globes. Every word

1034
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: thing said that, um uh eric Ston Street was gonna

1035
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 1: win the Golden Globe and then he didn't. I once,

1036
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: So I was just it was I had my biggest

1037
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: thing going into that work show was like how can

1038
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: I drink the champagne without being caught on camera? Because

1039
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: that was to eat we were we didn't chocolate, some

1040
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 1: champagne on the table and that was it right right.

1041
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: And I was twenty at the time, and I was

1042
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: like I just want I want some champagne like everyone else,

1043
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: you know. And so I was like timing it like, Okay,

1044
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: my category is coming up. As soon as it's over,

1045
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: I can start drinking the champagne, keeping on the cameras

1046
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: and then, um, I'm sure people are handing your champagne

1047
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: after you won. Oh yeah, yeah they were. Um in

1048
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: your acceptance speech also, which I don't I think we

1049
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: were all crying and screaming and blacking out as well.

1050
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 1: But you said, screwed the kids, screwed that kids, screw

1051
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: that kids. Um, yeah, I'm amazing. I mean what, thanks,

1052
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't know where that came from,

1053
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: all right, thank god, thank god. I had like speech

1054
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: and debate training in high school, but that I have

1055
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 1: no idea where it came from. But um, it's great.

1056
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: It was really great. I remember looking back. I remember

1057
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: I like I flugged a line that I was trying

1058
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,479
Speaker 1: to say where I meant to I meant to say

1059
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 1: something like, UM, like I owe this to you guys,

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Speaker 1: but I was thinking I owe this to you guys,

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Speaker 1: and you deserve this as much as I do. And

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Speaker 1: I think I said, like you owe this too. Oh wait, no,

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Speaker 1: I mean you deserve I look at that, like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, thank god, no one, thank god, people knew

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Speaker 1: what I was trying say. Yeah, you would owe me,

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Speaker 1: Like I feel like that that was a good one.

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Speaker 1: I'm not being so worried to going up there. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why. Of course, you had something like you

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Speaker 1: know you're gonna say something great. Yeah, you always were

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Speaker 1: eight steps very quick. But I remember, I'm glad I

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Speaker 1: didn't shoot my pants walking up there. That's what I

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Speaker 1: was scared of. I was like, what is he going

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Speaker 1: to say? I've never seen any of my friends went

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Speaker 1: an award before, Like, what the hell is going to happen? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm really glad the globes are coming back because that

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Speaker 1: means my award isn't canceled. And oh my god, that's right,

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Speaker 1: Chris were We're so lucky that you you came on

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Speaker 1: to chat with us. Honestly, I know we bug you

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Speaker 1: for a million things and like you're always games, so

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Speaker 1: we really appreciate it. Oh, I love you guys. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Guys always had my back and of course thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for giving me a safe space to talk

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Speaker 1: about stuff. Now we appreciate it. Yeah, if you wake

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Speaker 1: up with night terrors, with any more trauma, you can

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Speaker 1: come back on and just air it and imagine like

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Speaker 1: a fainting goat. Like night terrors is a good good

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Speaker 1: good title for podcast is should we start one? Horror?

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Speaker 1: Start one? What? Yeah? What is your night terror? That's

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Speaker 1: what we'll We'll start that. Okay, Anyway, next time on

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Speaker 1: What is Your Night Terror with Chris, Kevin and Jenna.

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Speaker 1: We gotta get Amber Jack Jack Jack Presents Night Terrors.

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Speaker 1: Um No. Thank you for being so open and with

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Speaker 1: us and sharing your experience. And we we love you,

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Speaker 1: and people, we love you, love you guys so much,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, love you. Thanks again to Chris for joining us,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening, and we'll see you next week.

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Speaker 1: We're going to recap Showman's so come on back and subscribe.

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Speaker 1: Tell your friends, tell your children, tell your wives, tell

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Speaker 1: your husband's, tell your sisters and brothers to come listen.

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Speaker 1: Anyone with the phone, computer, Alright, see you next week. Okay,

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Speaker 1: bye bye bye