1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Okay, is it Barren Stein, is it Barren Stain, is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: it Sinbad? Is it Shack? Is it Mandala or Mandela? 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: Because even the people who believe in the Mandela effect 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: don't always agree on that one. Yeah, what is my 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: name even? I mean, it's weird. I thought my name 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: was Max. Maybe not, I can't remember. I did once 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: call Max Matt once, and I immediately questioned myself as 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: to the nature of reality. Yeah, and we got into 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: this way before the multiverse became a popular idea in 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: the world of film and fiction. Uh, not saying it 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: was our idea at all. But in today's classic episode, 12 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: we are going to explore the story of what's called 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: the Mandela effect, along with the person credited for coining 14 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: the term. And uh, we're gonna ask ourselves and hopefully 15 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: you some strange questions. This one gets a lot of 16 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: feedback every year, actually, because seriously, I believe that most people, 17 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: myself included, have been certain for a long time that 18 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: it's Barren Steen s T E I N and not 19 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: Barren Stain s T A I N. You know, I 20 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: and many others I think share that feeling. From UFOs 21 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with 22 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the 23 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, welcome back 24 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: to the show. My name is Max, my name is Niles. 25 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: Until you are probably you would hope, and that makes 26 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: this stuff they don't want you to know. Let's start 27 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: to gain with a question. Have you guys, uh, Max Niles, 28 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: Have you guys ever had an event that you are 29 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: certain occurred and then later found out that it didn't 30 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: or people told you it didn't. I had one really recently. 31 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: I was positive that David Attenborough had died, and I 32 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: was positive that I had mourned his death because I 33 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: was a huge fan of his, and I thought it 34 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: was just something that I had dealt with already. And 35 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: then I saw and reddit, Oh hey, a new David 36 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: attenborogh thing is out with him discussing animals in the 37 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: deep who have bioluminescence, and I went, that's weird. I 38 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: wonder why they would do that or like postmortem put 39 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: that out. No, No, he never died. He never died 40 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: at all. He's still alive. Well that's good to hear. 41 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: Let's see that's good for him for sure. What about 42 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: you now you have one. So I had a thing, 43 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: um where I was convinced that there was this promo 44 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: for a television show that was on MTV, I think 45 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: probably in the nineties called Liquid Television, and um, there 46 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: was like Eon Flux, like kind of weird anime, and 47 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: there was weird claimation and strange kind of already animation stuff. 48 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: I was events that this promo existed where it was 49 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: a guy running up and downstairs while a John Zorne 50 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: track played. John Zorn is this weirdo saxophone player. It's unmistakable. 51 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: It's just like blasty, crazy wild sax playing. And I 52 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: couldn't find it. I had a conversation with a friend 53 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: of mine about John's Horn, and I was like, yeah, 54 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: that Liquid Television promo right as when I first discovered 55 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: John's Orne, and it just doesn't exist. It just does 56 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: not exist. And but I, you know, it was part 57 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: of the narrative that I assigned to discovering this artist, 58 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: and yet it is completely false. So there's an interesting 59 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: thing that occurs in the situations, and in these situations 60 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: where people say, oh, well, I could have sworn you 61 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: know that this the that the reality of what occurred 62 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: was um was event A sure, and then the rest 63 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: of the world says, ho, ho, no Max event B. 64 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: And it has always been event be very Orwellian, right, yeah, 65 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: you know, Bill. The way I see it, it's it's 66 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: almost details of an event. A lot of times, like 67 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: small things, details about a pop culture icon, a line 68 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: in a film. There are all these things that are 69 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: coming up where it appears to be distorted slightly. Well, 70 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: what does what does this mean? There? There are several possibilities, right. 71 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: Number one, The one that occurs most readily to most 72 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: people is, oh, perhaps we were mistaken, Perhaps we um 73 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: Perhaps you know, given the wash and erosion of time 74 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: and minutes onto the next we are memories are blurred 75 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: a little bit, and that's very common, and we'll look 76 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: at that as well. Uh. The other one is what 77 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: if people are lying, What if they're gas lighting you? 78 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: What if this liquid television promo exists and for some 79 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: reason everyone agreed that Niles Brown can never hear this 80 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: and never see it again, or you know, it could 81 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: just get lost in the internet. There a lot of times, 82 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,559 Speaker 1: things that happened in you know, prior to a certain 83 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: time in the few thousands, they just weren't documented very 84 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: well on the Internet, especially in video. That's a good point, 85 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: but I guess I just just I've never not been 86 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: able to find some thing that that you know, connected 87 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: to some obscure clip that I wanted to find. Someone's 88 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: ripped a VHS of it. You know, it's on YouTube 89 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: in some form. This thing even like in Wikipedia pages, 90 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: Like I was like trying to cross reference John Zorne 91 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: and TV promos and Liquid Television, and there was some 92 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: weird connection where like a guy who did a bunch 93 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: of cartoons for Liquid Television had worked with John Zorne 94 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: in a graphic design capacity. But that was the only connection, 95 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: and you know, it was just totally tangential as far 96 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: as we know. Because this leads us to another possibility. 97 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: And this is the top thick of today's show, which 98 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: you've written to us to request on Facebook, Twitter and 99 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: will hopefully it was you and uh and of course 100 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: email to some people, ladies and gentlemen. There's something more 101 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: cosmic at work behind this phenomenon. What if instead of 102 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: ordinary human foibles, the past appears to be altered because 103 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: we live in a world of intersecting, parallel universes, of 104 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: shifting histories of multiple mutable realities. What would we call 105 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,679 Speaker 1: this thing? Yes, this is known as the Mandela effect. 106 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: It was first proposed under by this name by this author, 107 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: Fiona Broom. It was at Dragon con here in Atlanta 108 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: in two thousand and five. She was having just a 109 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: pretty simple conversation in a green room hanging out, and 110 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: I think they were talking about Nelson Mandela, and she 111 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: she realized that a lot of the people she was 112 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: talking with believed that Nelson Mandela had died while he 113 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: was in prison, much in the same way that you 114 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: believe that David Attenborough had died in the wilds of Africa, 115 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: you know. Yes, And and she didn't. She knew that 116 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: he wasn't dead, at least she believed that that he 117 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: wasn't dead in her world. Um, and you know, they 118 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: just discussed a little more and they realized that this 119 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: maybe maybe what you know and what I know are 120 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: different because we're in some kind of different time stream, 121 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: or we experienced at least a fraction of a different 122 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: time stream. Yeah. These were these were mostly authors in 123 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: the group. And I realized, I think is a very 124 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: dead definitive word there. I I'm sure that several felt 125 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: that they did have a realization. So although the Mandela 126 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: Conversation launched, this launched this author's initial investigation. Many of 127 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: you who have written into us or tweeted or facebook 128 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: uh messages us have referenced instead had a series of 129 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: children's books known as the baron Stein Bears or should 130 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: I say the baron Stein. I thought it was Bernstein 131 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: when I grew up. It was Bernstein Bears or Bernstein Burrs. 132 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: Yeah that maybe that was like a like a cute 133 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: kid thing, you know. Yeah, maybe that's just how I 134 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: pronounced it. Or when I saw the word, that's what 135 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: I heard. Uh yeah, I get, I get see ye. 136 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: Do you guys remember those books? Did you ever read 137 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: them as a kid? I remember the books. I remember 138 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: the cartoon and the cartoon you know they pronounced it. 139 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: There's so there's a jingle, there's a song and they 140 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: don't say baron Stein. It's that the Barrenstein Bears. That's 141 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: how they say it. How do you remember the jingle? Wait? 142 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: Is there a video of this? What was a matter 143 00:08:46,080 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: of fact? I have it right here. Oh I remember 144 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: that pink whoa hold on? They said that two different ways. 145 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: It's the twang though twang it's it's but it sounds 146 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: like barn Stain as someone from Tennessee, and and I 147 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: can verify that there might be a Twain there. But 148 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: that's that's an excellent example. If you were, like many people, 149 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, you remember this series of books and 150 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: shows as the baron Steam Bears. However, every single example 151 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: of the books you can find or the messaging that 152 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: you can find, will bear the title baron Stain b 153 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: E R E N S t A I, named after 154 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: the creators of the book series. You know, I wonder 155 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: if it if the idea of barren Stein beren Stain 156 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: crosses dialect lines. So I wonder if anyone who maybe 157 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: doesn't have an accent, a Southern accent, knows it as 158 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: barren Stain. Just just to point out, reading some of 159 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: the YouTube comments on this video, when the hell did 160 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: it become the barren Stain Bears? Reply the Mandal effect, 161 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: I'm from the E universe. I remember when it was 162 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: the barren Stein Bears. I remember it being spelled barren 163 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: Stein but pronounced baron Stain. See, I mean, it's just 164 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: is it a visual cue? Is it like it was 165 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 1: For me, I think based on the theme song. That's 166 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: how I interpreted it and learned it, um, you know, 167 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: hearing it pronounced. But now even that is a little 168 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,719 Speaker 1: bit off. You know, there's a lot of different things 169 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: that can go wrong with your memory, and you can 170 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: really latch on to certain cues and feel like they're 171 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: infallible when in fact they are completely Yeah, this is 172 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: a great example of the personal spin that we put 173 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: on all information that we take in. Right, we the 174 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: lens through which we experienced the world, and then I 175 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: think we know things. It's it's all through our own lens. 176 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: I think that's what we're seeing here, and to go 177 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: to to go further there. This stuve tails into an example. 178 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: There's a book by a media analyst and a graphic designer, 179 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: Marshall and mclewin, and when named Quentin Fiori, who the 180 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: book is called, Well, what I thought it was called 181 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: for a long long time was the Medium is the 182 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: Message and Inventory of Effects. And I had a copy 183 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: of this book on my shelf for years and two 184 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: years and two years, and I realized again years after 185 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: owning this book that the actual title is The Medium 186 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: is the Massage. Yeah, it's just a small it's a 187 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: small twist. And in my and my view, again going 188 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: back to Max's point about the UH subjective nature of observation, 189 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: my view is that I was just wrong. You know, 190 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: I know that a lot of people don't like to 191 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: admit that they are wrong. But maybe you just didn't 192 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: know all the facts about Nelson Mandela. That is really, 193 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: if we are applying the simplest explanation, that would seem 194 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: to be it. But this effect is not limited to 195 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: the two examples, the two popular examples we've mentioned, and 196 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 1: the and the personal examples we've mentioned. Other examples will 197 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: touch on things like geography, like the number of US states, 198 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: the size of Scotland and Wales, the arrangement of archipelagoes 199 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: in UH, Southeast Asia and Oceanica. You can also see 200 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: examples of touch on chronology. Right, so there are people say, well, 201 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: the Columbi massacre did occur, but not nine and so 202 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: you can go and learn more about Bruin's theory on 203 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: the Mandela effect at the website that has been maintained 204 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 1: to list examples of this, and in our Frequently Asked 205 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: Questions page. She defines it as real alternate memories of 206 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 1: a history that does not match with the documented history 207 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: in this reality. Yeah it could be. Yeah, maybe that's 208 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: what it is. And she and and for her part, 209 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: she also uh doesn't claim to know why this occurs, 210 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: why why this interpretation occurs. But there are several theories. 211 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: So first we have my personal favorite alternate realities, this 212 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: idea that somehow some of us are experiencing parallel universes 213 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: where only tiny, little minutia little details are changed, things 214 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: that you would really really have to go super micro 215 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: onto even see a difference. Sort of the example of 216 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: like holding up two photographs and there's one little thing 217 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: that's different in one or the other, and you really 218 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: have to focus in to figure out what that thing is. 219 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: It might be even even smaller than that. Yeah maybe maybe, Um, 220 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: which way a shoelace is tied? Something like as simple 221 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: as that, like a bar game where you have to 222 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: do the matching of the pictures and saying which one 223 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: is different what exactly? So, according to this theory, the 224 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: Mandela effect occurs when a person has pulled a if 225 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: you remember the show Sliders, Oh yeah, sort of a 226 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: quantum leapy kind of thing, right, Yeah, So in Sliders 227 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: they are they a group of a group of strangers, 228 00:14:55,160 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: young attractive strangers. Yeah, most of them are are shuddering 229 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: between or excuse me, sliding between uh, alternate realities in 230 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: a quest to eventually slide back to their their home, 231 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: their Earth Earth Prime and on the way they have 232 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: a series of adventures. So I think you're right. That's 233 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: very much in the same vein as quantum leave, although 234 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: really focusing more on this alternate reality idea. So, for example, 235 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: one version of a Slider's universe, Jeff peanut butter might 236 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: be called you know, Jiffy and uh, curious George. That's 237 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: another one, actually, the Jiffy jiff thing, Like I you know, 238 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: I think I think it's an example of confusing or 239 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: conflating Jiffy Pop with Jeff peanut butter and then thinking, 240 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: oh no, it's Jiffy, right, Yeah, Jiffy is especially for 241 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: a kid, Jiffy is like fun word to think about 242 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: more than Jeff. True. And also, peanut butter is not 243 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: very common outside of the US. We're we're weirdly in 244 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: the peanut butter so, so, just like the thing with 245 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: a number of US states, if you're not in that 246 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: area of the world, it's easier to make Um, it's 247 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: easier to to be confused about that. Yeah. And I 248 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: did notice that a lot of this is US centric, 249 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: a lot of the Mandel effect. And I wonder, um, 250 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: if you're listening to this and your internationally, you live 251 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: somewhere else in the world, if you have examples from 252 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: your you know, either local government, local pop culture. That's 253 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: the thing, because it is it is is very much 254 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: tied to a particular experience, a set of a language, 255 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: let's say, like a social language of Okay, we've got 256 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: these products that everyone knows about and we're remembering them 257 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: in certain ways. Or another example might be an iconic 258 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: cartoon character or a character from a book like the 259 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: Barrenstein Bears example. UM, I will never not pronounce it 260 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: that way, Um, curious George. So maybe there's a version 261 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: of alternate reality where Curious George, you know, had a 262 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: prehensile tail, like all those people who say that Abraham 263 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: Lincoln was assassinated, yeah, or that George Washington had wooden teeth, 264 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: right right, Yeah, there's all kinds of these things. And 265 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: now we go to another theory, which is um one 266 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: we've looked at in this show before. In the past, 267 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: and this is one I always remember that you brought 268 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: up first. Next. Oh, yes, that's the matrix. I don't know, 269 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: it's just kind of close to my name, Max, I 270 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: I feel like it's I don't know, it's close to 271 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: my heart. But when I saw the Matrix, it really 272 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: struck a tone with me. And then when I was 273 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: reading about this Mandel effect, I realized, oh wait a second, 274 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: that would explain a lot of things here from here 275 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: on out thereby spoilers. Okay, yeah, I wouldn't want to 276 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: spoil that nine movie the Matrix, right right, because well, 277 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: if if you have read Plato's allegory of the Cave, 278 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: you were already spoiled as far as the crux of 279 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 1: that of the program goes. But as you were saying, so, 280 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: this theory states that what we were actually experienced experiencing 281 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: when we have these beliefs or thoughts that don't match 282 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: up with the timeline that is common to everyone else, 283 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: we're actually experiencing some kind of blip in the matrix, 284 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 1: some kind of a little yeah something, maybe a glitch, 285 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: something that isn't quite right. The identical cat black cat 286 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: walking by twice, but in this case you know, it's 287 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: where New Zealand is relative to Australia. Just when you 288 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: when you learned it in your geography class way back 289 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: in the day. Um So, essentially, we were living in 290 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: this giant program or hollow deck or some kind of 291 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: programmable entity, a thing that when it gets a firmware 292 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: update every once in a while, there are some errors, 293 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: and that's what that's what we're experiencing. I kind of 294 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: like this theory. I don't necessarily believe it, but I 295 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: think it's cool. You know. It's responsible largely for those 296 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: kind of tropes is the incredible science fiction writer Philip K. Dick. 297 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: A lot of his stories hinge on alternate realities and 298 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: the like. You know, the whole idea of the matrix 299 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: was entirely lifted for from kill Philip K. Dick. This 300 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: idea that we are actually in some sort of trance 301 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: like state, being fed information that we perceived to be 302 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: our real life, when in fact we are just like 303 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: being harvested or something like that, and we you know, 304 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: have no movement, We're just basically blobs. Another one of 305 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: the stories that was recently made into a pretty successful 306 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: my successful I mean well done television series for Amazon. 307 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: I think was The Man in the High Castle, where uh, 308 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: it's a version of the future where um, the Allies 309 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: did not win, the Axis won. The World war was 310 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: the Second World War and carved up the North American 311 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: continent into different spheres of influence. And there is a 312 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: book about an alternate universe wherein the Allies won the war. 313 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,479 Speaker 1: And the funny thing about this, I mean, these are 314 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: obviously much more in line with you know, fiction, but 315 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: they're certainly fun to think about. Um, it's almost like 316 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: this idea of a Mandela effect. It's sort of like 317 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: a reverse deja vu kind of you know, where it's 318 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: like you have this sense that you were you experienced 319 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: something exactly the same, only it's the sense that it's 320 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: it's different almost, you know. I don't know if I'm 321 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: if I'm saying that familiar seems suddenly unfamiliar. I don't 322 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: speak French in this timeline. But the thing is what 323 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: we're referring to in this phenomenon, it is very much 324 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: a gut feeling, you know you and then you can 325 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: go in the Internet or in research materials and you 326 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: can prove yourself wrong pretty easily. So what we're all 327 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: talking about here is this innate sense that this is 328 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: how it was and then oh no it wasn't. And 329 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: what do you when? Where do you go from there? 330 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: How do you use this information? And there's a yeah, 331 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: and there's a subjective feeling, and there's a bit of 332 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: a tangent, but there's a subjective feeling you can experience 333 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: where there's there's something disassociative about it, which is close 334 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: to a break where for instance, uh, the examples of 335 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: the people who meet and feel like they've known each 336 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: other forever, and there are some people who would propose 337 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: that in some multiverse they do. And the concept of 338 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: a multiverse is endlessly fascinating and has done such wonderful 339 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: things for fiction. Uh, at this point, it's uh, you know, 340 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: it's clearly a theoretical thing. No one has traveled to 341 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: and back between universes in a publicly acknowledged, a reproducible way, 342 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: and you know, many of the stories that we're talking 343 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: about are cautionary tales or moralistic tales. The matrix is 344 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: traveling that way through uh, through different universes, and I 345 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: think that the matrix itself, we can agree, is in 346 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: its way as real as the physical world again spoilers, 347 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: and thank you for saying that. I would have totally forgotten. 348 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: But we have a we have another, we have another 349 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: theory two right. One of the more kind of buzz 350 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: killy down to earth theories regarding the Mendel effect is 351 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: that the Internet itself has just distorted the our the 352 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: way we remember things. Because anytime you see a meme 353 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: or a trope, like a play on a piece of 354 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: pop culture. For instance, um spoiler alert in Star Wars 355 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: episode four, get ready to turn off your podcast if 356 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: you want to hear this. When there's that iconic line, 357 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: how does it go, Luke, I am your father? That 358 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: is not how it goes. It is, no, I am 359 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: your father. And yeah, it's also like Ricky Ricardo never said, Lucy, 360 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: you got some splaining to do. We never once did 361 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: that line appear. And I love Lucy, but but that 362 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: is what we associate. Yes, but you will see a 363 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: meme with let's say that online somewhere, you'll see someone 364 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: talking about remembering it in a blog or something. Uh, 365 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: You'll see little pieces written up. And it seems that 366 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: in reading these things, it's almost like looking at photos 367 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: of yourself as a child or something, family photos of yourself. 368 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: You may not truly have the memory of being you know, 369 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: that time when you're a little kid and you were 370 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: playing outside with your mom or something, but you can 371 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: by seeing the sandbox or seeing the playground or the backyard, 372 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: you can kind of create your own memory of what 373 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: that day was like, even though you did experience it, 374 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: but you don't have a vivid memory of it. Seeing 375 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: the image kind of jogs something, and then you create 376 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: it yourself. So this theory states that when you read 377 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: these things online, these memes, these tropes, you're kind of 378 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: distorting your own memory of what the what the actual 379 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: thing was. And our memories don't even really need any 380 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: help screwing this stuff up because they kind of suck. 381 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: I mean, think about any like courtroom scenario, like a 382 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: TV courtroom drama where you've got a witness on the 383 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: stand who swears they saw this person in the lineup 384 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: commit this crime, and then there immediately three or four 385 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: other witnesses that say, in no way it was this person. 386 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: And I mean, I actually one of the best examples 387 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: of this is in the movie My Cousin Vinny. You 388 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: Didn't Think, But there's a great sequence where it highlights 389 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: the fallibility of memory. Um, you know, as far as 390 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: eyewitness testimony, which has been determined to be pretty unreliable. Right, 391 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: we can also see that, you know, frankly horrific or 392 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: horrific numbers about people who have been falsely convicted of 393 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: a crime, or people who have confessed to a crime 394 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: they did not commit and believed that they did because 395 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: of the psychological manipulation that occurs during the interrogation process. 396 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: I almost said interview, But that's not quite correct, is it? 397 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: And it happens. I know it sounds crazy, but it 398 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: happens because of this. The reason in memory is one 399 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: of the most inefficient processes in the human mind is 400 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: that every single one of us when we remember an event, 401 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: whatever it is the theme song to the Bear and 402 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: Steam Bears, Uh, a moment where you fell in love 403 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: and you're still so in love that you feel like 404 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: a piece of you is there. That's beautiful. But every 405 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: time you remember that, you're not just remembering what you 406 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: think you're remembering. You might be subconsciously associating it with 407 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: emotions you're feeling now or emotions you felt at the time, 408 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: or you might conflate it with things that occurred in 409 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: the interim, sometimes between the creation of the memory, but 410 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: before you remembered. So let's say one of your favorite 411 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: moments ever was watching the Matrix, and you remember seeing 412 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: it in a movie theater, and you can say to yourself, 413 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: I had a medium sprite, I had a nestly crunch, 414 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: and I got the big popcorn. But that might be incorrect. 415 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: You might just be remembering the stuff that you liked eating. 416 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: You might be hungry when you're remembering it. And the 417 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: further away you get from that moment in time, the 418 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: less reliable it is, because every time you are remembering 419 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: a memory, what you're actually doing is remembering the last 420 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: time you thought about it. It's like making a copy 421 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: of a copy of a copy. It just degrades every 422 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: time you recall it exactly. Sometimes it adds things, sometimes 423 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: it subtracts things, creates artifacts. That's a great way to 424 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: put it. Every time you remember something, you're essentially playing 425 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 1: telephone with past versions of yourself, and the connection is 426 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: nowhere near as good as it might appear. We know 427 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: that this is true because there's something amusing or depending 428 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: on the implications, disturbing that you can watch right now online. 429 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: There's a mentalist. His name is Darren Brown. You probably 430 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: know who he is. He's he's put out a video. 431 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: He has a TV series, or I know he did 432 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: have a TV series, does different television specials in the UK, 433 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: and and in one well, he's done a lot. I 434 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: think we talked about one where he created a Manchurian 435 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: candidate allegedly at least on the television show he did. Yeah, 436 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: and then also where he's the guy who can socially 437 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: engineer people into accepting blink currency sized pieces of paper 438 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: as money just by talking to him, but usually only 439 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: if they're native speakers of the same language he speaks. 440 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: Don't even one where he um was able to convince 441 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: that's sort of in quotation fingers a room full of 442 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: atheists that they believe in God. Yeah, it's a thing. 443 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: It's intense, that's crazy, and there's a whole there just 444 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: before we even get into what it actually is. There's 445 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: a whole host of psychological things that occur when you 446 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: are a part of a television production in the audience, 447 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,719 Speaker 1: so you know all of this stuff. For for me, 448 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: it's levels of manipulation. Uh, the viewer of the TV series, 449 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: so they yeah, I see what you're saying, So they 450 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: might not necessarily have the same results a man on 451 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: the street or woman on the street thing. But on 452 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: one on one on one, there's been some weird stuff 453 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: that's happened, right, yeah, oh yes. So there's a great 454 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: video where in Darren Brown asks Simon Peg, the actor 455 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: and writer, two write down a childhood gift, like just right, like, 456 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: think of a childhood gift that he's always wanted. Write 457 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: it down, put in envelope, seal it with the date, 458 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: with the time, and keep it on his person and 459 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: then to go meet meet Darren Brown. And what he 460 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: doesn't know is the entire time he's on the way 461 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: to meet him, his entire day beforehand, he is being 462 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: manipulated in his memory. Um is being affected almost said infected. 463 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: Maybe that's maybe that's a very choice word. As a result, 464 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: so Darren Brown talks to him, does his uh, does 465 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: his thing? I guess because I want to spoil it 466 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: too much at times, directing his attention to certain places 467 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: in the room, which people call priming right, purposeful Freudian 468 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: slips for instance. And the end result is that he 469 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: tells Simon Peg to turn around and open his presence 470 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: in a big box and he pulls out. He's like, 471 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: is this what you wanted? And he's amazed. How did 472 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: you know? He says, this is this was exactly where 473 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: I wanted. Goes, okay, are you sure is this the 474 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: right and he's like, yeah, everything, it's exactly I pictured. 475 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: It's the color yeah, And then he says, okay, well 476 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: I want you to do I'm glad you like your president. 477 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: I want you to do one last thing. When you 478 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: take out that envelope and like show the camera the 479 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: seal and everything. I want you to open it. I 480 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: want you to read what it says. And he opens 481 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: it and he reads it and he's like, huh, that's weird. 482 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: That's not it. That's the why I wrote down because 483 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: what he originally wrote down was something different. But the 484 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: experiences again between the creation of that memory and the 485 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: act of remembering changed, so the past is much more 486 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: like a conversation. I guess. Then, then the solid process 487 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: we believe it to be at this point, there's not 488 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: any I well, I don't know what you guys found, 489 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: but there's not any solid, reproducible proof of the Mandela effect. 490 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: There are many, many people who believe they've seen it, 491 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: and we all have those inexplicable moments. But as far 492 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: as history changing, that's a whole another story has occurred. 493 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. So the the idea that 494 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: we're exploring here, alternate realities, alternate universes, uh, massive rewriting 495 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,239 Speaker 1: of history, it turns out, and at least, uh, at 496 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: least a few instances that actually happens, and and one 497 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: of the big ones would be retro active censorship. You 498 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: may have heard of something like the kids stays in 499 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: the picture under under the Stalin regime, during these political 500 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: purges and stuff, they would actually go back and erase 501 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: people from history, from official records, from photographs. Yeah. I mean, 502 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: it's this idea of revising history to suit your particular 503 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: and you know, and this phenomenon we're talking about it 504 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: can certainly be capitalized on because our minds do gravitate 505 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: towards these patterns and we see something enough times, you know, 506 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: why not just except that that's how it happened and 507 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,959 Speaker 1: most people will Yeah, and we because most people again 508 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: are creatures that thrive on consensus. That's how this uh, 509 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: that's how this breakout single of a species has been 510 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: able to spread around the world. And so you can 511 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: see experiments wherein a group of fourteen people are assembled 512 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: and thirteen of them know what's going to happen, and 513 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: they're just a simple math problem is displayed, for instance, 514 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: or two lines that are of different lengths and people 515 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: say they're the same length, or they say something that's 516 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: out right wrong, and in many cases, unlucky person fourteen 517 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: or number twelve or whatever will eventually and in a 518 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: distressingly short amount of time believe it because they are outnumbered. 519 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: And that happens more often than I would like to think. 520 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: And this and then coupled with the power of a 521 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: state agency to censor something like uh. For instance, Lennon 522 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: gave a speech in nineteen twenty and when he gave 523 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: the speech, he's talking to some Soviet troops in Moscow. 524 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: There was a photograph taken in the foreground was Leon 525 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: Trotsky and Lev COMMONEV. And then later the photo was 526 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: altered and again this is they don't have photo shop. 527 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: This is tough. Later the photo was altered and they 528 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: removed Trotsky and they removed Lev COMMONEV. Is this are 529 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: they on a waterfront? I think I remember seeing this picture. 530 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: There's at least a body of water right next to him, 531 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: and then they're just like h and and additionally, and 532 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: a lot of this happened. So much of this happened 533 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: that you can find entries on censorship of images in 534 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union another and this continued for decades. For instance, 535 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,959 Speaker 1: there was a cosmonaut named valence In Bodenko and he 536 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: died in nineteen sixty one in a training accident. Because 537 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: the cosmonaut program at the time was brutal, it was 538 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: a numbers game, you know, good luck, right, let's just 539 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, the emphasis was let's get someone to space. 540 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: And someone said, well, are they going to make it back? 541 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: And they said, yeah, that'd be neat. Isn't that even 542 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: a situation where they cut someone loose because it would 543 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: have um jeopardized the equipment or something like that. There's 544 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: so many you know, what we should do a lost 545 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: cosmonauts thing is there's so there's so many interesting, interesting 546 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: wrinkles to the story. But yeah, Valentin died in nineteen 547 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,959 Speaker 1: sixty one and the Soviet government air brushed him out 548 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: of photographs of the first group of cosmonauts, and so 549 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: he had already been available, he had already appeared in 550 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 1: publicly available photographs. You know what I mean. The badger 551 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: was out of the bag. So deleting the government controlled stuff, 552 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: just if anything, fed the stories of lost cosmonauts and 553 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: this death. Uh and in fact, his death as well 554 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: as his life, became secret until the mid nineteen eighties. 555 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: And these are these are just these are specific examples 556 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: for a country. And I don't mean to pick on 557 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union. There's something else that I think we 558 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 1: all know. I mean, Max Niles. Let's face it, guys, 559 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: we're old enough now that we know textbooks have changed, 560 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: especially history textbooks, right, which which is kind of a 561 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: good thing, right because as we gain more knowledge as 562 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: a species, we change our textbooks, we alter them. Science 563 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,240 Speaker 1: is very different may or may not have happened depending 564 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: on the textbook we have. That could be an issue. 565 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: But also details, let's say, of about the molecular structure 566 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 1: of certain things or uh, the atomic structure. We're understanding 567 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: that more and more. And you know, when my parents 568 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: were in high school and college, the knowledge they had 569 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: is very different than we had. So that's a good thing. 570 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: The problem is when you're looking at history, right, you 571 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: know some some of the things that are supposed to 572 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: be set in stone that can't really change because they happened. Yeah, well, 573 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: it's like one of those two the victors go to 574 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: spoils and one of the spoilers being able to write 575 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: the story. Right, winners write history books and and the 576 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: And that's that's a great point because we did. We 577 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: looked at this earlier in a video. Why don't textbooks 578 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: in different countries agree? Like a textbook written UH by 579 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: Japan and a textbook written by China or by Chinese 580 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: and Japanese governments, UH is going to differ widely, even 581 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: though those countries are comparatively as stone's throw away from 582 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: one another. You know, what do they have to say 583 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: about World War two? And what do people believe? And 584 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: if there is, if there is absolute truth, how do 585 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: individuals find it surrounded in a world like what what 586 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: is what is sanity? What is history? How do we 587 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: find these things surrounded by people who all believe something else. 588 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: It's it's frightening to wonder if one of us, or 589 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: you know, whether you're listening to show you're in the 590 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: room right now, if just one of the people in 591 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: this entire stuff. They don't want you to know things, 592 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: knew something to be true, and no one else agreed 593 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: with them. Can any of us say that we would 594 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,439 Speaker 1: be able to stick to our guns for the rest 595 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: of our lives in a world that feels we are insane? 596 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: That's disturbing question discussed amongst yourselves. And while you're discussed 597 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: in this amongst yourselves, go back and think about some 598 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 1: of the personal moments that you may have had with this. 599 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: There's a really really interesting book by a guy named 600 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: Neil Stevenson called an Athem. And in an Athem, again 601 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,439 Speaker 1: there's a work of fiction, but I think it applies here. 602 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,720 Speaker 1: In an Athem. This is somewhat of a spoiler alert, 603 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 1: but not really. There is a group of people called rats, 604 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,280 Speaker 1: and what they do is they change the past by 605 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: altering records, by using using techniques of rhetoric to essentially 606 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: Darren Brown people. And the frightening thing about this is 607 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: that it can happen. It has happened in history, it 608 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: is happening now for inst and we can see the 609 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: slow erosion in some cases of historical facts, like very 610 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: few people talk about the fact that Martin Luther King 611 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: is documented arguing for a war on inequality, arguing for 612 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,800 Speaker 1: things that would be typified or characterized as socialist, but 613 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: shortly before his death, and you'd be hard pressed to 614 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: find those speeches being quoted in the media right or 615 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:35,399 Speaker 1: being quoted in textbooks, and to to to honestly look 616 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: at it. Just because there's not scientifically accepted proof of 617 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: this Mandela effect, which maybe in another world called the 618 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: Mandala effect, that doesn't mean that it's automatically not true. 619 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: And that's a clever way for it to be constructed, 620 00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,479 Speaker 1: because if there's not a way to disprove a thing, 621 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:06,399 Speaker 1: then we're kind of that, you know, a standstill. So 622 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,320 Speaker 1: I have to ask you, guys, still, do you believe 623 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: in the concept of parallel universes? Do you think that 624 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 1: somewhere out there there's another version of us, or multiple 625 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: or infinite versions. I think we'll find out, maybe even 626 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: within our lifetimes, maybe if there are truly alternate universes 627 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: that we can test for, depending on how far we 628 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 1: can go with the LHC and a couple of other 629 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: large scale scientific tests that are going on to see. Uh. 630 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you can look, there are a lot of 631 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: things that are exploring right now as a as a 632 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: human race. Uh, to test that the very very tiny 633 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,280 Speaker 1: and also the very very large, and depending on how 634 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: deep we can go into some of that research, I 635 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: think we might be able to prove that alternate realities exist. Um. 636 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 1: I don't think that this particular thing personally now, I 637 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: don't think that this Mandel effect is a case of 638 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: alternate realities. I think it's perception and biases and just 639 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: remembering things wrong. I you know, I wonder too it. 640 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 1: One thing that would strengthen the case for it would 641 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,439 Speaker 1: be if there were things that were a little bit 642 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: less because these are kind of grouped into things, right, 643 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 1: chronology of well known events, yeah, and then also a 644 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: lot of celebrity stuff, and then also a lot of 645 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: geographical stuff, right, and small changes like Denial's point with 646 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: the with the shoelaces, right, And so it makes me, 647 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 1: it makes them wonder if the case would be strengthened by, say, having, um, 648 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: the arrangement of amino acids be different or some or 649 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 1: maybe there's a spot in the world where light is 650 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,319 Speaker 1: at a slightly faster slightly slower speed, you know what 651 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:11,359 Speaker 1: I mean. A universal what's accepted to be a universal concept. Right, 652 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: did we already talk about how our brains are storing 653 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: information differently now than they have ever in the past, 654 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: human brains because of the Internet. I don't. I don't 655 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,959 Speaker 1: know if we have I know, we've all talked about 656 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,439 Speaker 1: it off air. Okay, Well this I think this may 657 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,720 Speaker 1: also be the culprit for why this stuff is cropping 658 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: up more and more. Yeah. I mean, for me, it's 659 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: almost like, why bother remembering things when I can just 660 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: find it on the internet if I need to, you know, 661 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 1: I can devote that part of my brain to other 662 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 1: things god knows what. But you know, I'm just saying, 663 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, there is this sort of like inherent 664 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: sense that there's a safety net, like I don't need 665 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,280 Speaker 1: to remember phone numbers anymore ever again because they're always 666 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: gonna be on my phone. But what if I, you know, 667 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: my car dies on the highway and my phone is 668 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: dead and um, you know, then I'm utterly alone because 669 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: I don't have this information in my brain anymore, you know. 670 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: And and like Bill said, if if we're not remembering things, 671 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: like if we're not constantly remembering things and storing them 672 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,279 Speaker 1: and then replaying them, then what what is going on 673 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,360 Speaker 1: in our heads, like, what's what? What kind of information 674 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 1: is left there? Right? Has the access to all this 675 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:23,800 Speaker 1: information turned the what the over three billion people with 676 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: the Internet access? Has it turned their brains into something 677 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: more like audience members rather than creators. A wonderful and 678 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: extreme example of of a not too distant future where 679 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: this might happen is another Black Mirror episode called The 680 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: Entire History of You, where um, everyone who is anyone 681 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: is fitted with this lens and it connects to an 682 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 1: implant um that allows you to record everything all the time, 683 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: and you can access these memories like you would a 684 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 1: folder of video files, and you can you know, even 685 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: security at airports, security checkpoints are and by playing back 686 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,880 Speaker 1: for the person in charge of security the last forty 687 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: eight hours of your life and therefore you don't have 688 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 1: they can see, oh, he didn't pack a bomb, she 689 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:15,320 Speaker 1: didn't pack a bomb. Whatever. Um. In that future again 690 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: not too different from what we're talking about with being 691 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: able to recall things on Facebook, for example, or being 692 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 1: able to recall things on YouTube, not that far removed. 693 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 1: What does happen do our memory banks, for lack of 694 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 1: a better term, atrophy, you know, do we lose part 695 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:37,359 Speaker 1: of ourselves, and and can we then be completely subjective 696 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,320 Speaker 1: to being duped by false information being out there because 697 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: we have lost our ability to actually form these memories 698 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: for ourselves. Is it another example of evolution but in 699 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 1: a negative way, where we are devolving our minds from 700 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 1: being able to create these memories because we are so 701 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 1: used to them just being available for us with a 702 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 1: touch of a mouse. We caused satively becoming cyborgs. And 703 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 1: and it is true that we are losing depth of information. 704 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,399 Speaker 1: So if there's like an X and Y axis, we're 705 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,879 Speaker 1: we're increasingly knowing a little bit about a lot of stuff, right, 706 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 1: we know, like the equivalent of the first paragraph of 707 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: a Wikipedia article about quite a few things. But that 708 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: depth of knowledge is uh, that depth of knowledge is 709 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 1: increasingly being lost in people are being encouraged to learn 710 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 1: that way, both in the things we watch, you know, 711 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 1: and the fact that we're we're essentially outsourcing our brains 712 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,720 Speaker 1: to an external thing which is not which is scary, 713 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 1: but maybe part of the evolution. When you know, we 714 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,959 Speaker 1: talked uh, I think it was um several months ago, 715 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 1: and I don't remember if we were on the air 716 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 1: about it, but we talked about the frightening idea that 717 00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 1: maybe humanity itself is just a temporary depth in the 718 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: evolution of a life form that is capable of going 719 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,799 Speaker 1: to the stars and spanning galaxies in a meaningful way, 720 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 1: or even alternate universes. You know, yes, that would have 721 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,879 Speaker 1: to be not so squishy as humanity. But I think 722 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,480 Speaker 1: all of these things are excellent fodder for a whole 723 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 1: podcast episode in themselves, So we should probably scoot for today. Guys. Yeah, Unfortunately, 724 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 1: in this timeline it is time to go. Uh, let's 725 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 1: let's end on uh questions. Do you want there to 726 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,359 Speaker 1: be alternative universes? Does the idea appeal to you? And 727 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 1: so why? Let us know? You can reach us directly 728 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: at Facebook and Twitter and Instagram. We are conspiracy stuff. 729 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,800 Speaker 1: You can find us on Instagram at the ever so 730 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:57,359 Speaker 1: uh awkward acronym std w y t K. But it's okay, 731 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:02,280 Speaker 1: you'll get used to it. Hopefully we will too. And 732 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,719 Speaker 1: in the meantime, of course, you can check out our website, 733 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,800 Speaker 1: which is being updated as we speak, speaking of spoiler alerts, 734 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,839 Speaker 1: or maybe has already been updated in your timeline, right, 735 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 1: because we're already doing kind of time travel. If we're 736 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,479 Speaker 1: not doing a live show. Uh yeah, we're finally gonna 737 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,879 Speaker 1: get some pictures of Niles up on the site, right, 738 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,040 Speaker 1: So stay tuned, visit stuff they don't want you to 739 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,640 Speaker 1: know dot com if you're really into this stuff. I 740 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,839 Speaker 1: usually don't do this, but I'm gonna make a recommendation. 741 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 1: If you have Hulu, check out eleven sixty three. It's 742 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 1: the series about the JFK assassination and it's more time travel, 743 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,400 Speaker 1: but it's kind of a little hole to an alternate 744 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 1: dimension in a way, and it deals with the effects 745 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,920 Speaker 1: of time travel. So yeah, no, the book. No, the 746 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,279 Speaker 1: book is great too, but this is available and you 747 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,839 Speaker 1: can consume it because that's how we consume things. Now. 748 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,759 Speaker 1: By sitting and watching the word consume is makes me 749 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 1: so uncomfortable and people are like, oh, this is how 750 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,439 Speaker 1: I consume content. Oh yeah, that's what we do, man. 751 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,279 Speaker 1: And that's the end of this classic episode. If you 752 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,400 Speaker 1: have any thoughts or questions about this episode, you can 753 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 1: get into contact with us in a number of different ways. 754 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:15,799 Speaker 1: One of the best is to give us a call. 755 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,120 Speaker 1: Our number is one eight three three st d w 756 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,440 Speaker 1: y t K. If you don't want to do that, 757 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,080 Speaker 1: you can send us a good old fashioned email. 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