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Got leave 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 3: in for Colin Cowherd Callings Back takes Monday, after good 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 3: old fashioned week off. Keith Law's gonna join us UH 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 3: Senior Major League Baseball Senior MLB senior writer for The Athletic. 14 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 3: We'll get his thoughts on what's wrong with the Dodgers 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 3: and how about this Miserowski pretty pretty amazing stuff and 16 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 3: what about the guy leading the Bigs in home runs? 17 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: Please in Seattle Ballpark, a dead ball ballpark of all places. 18 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 3: Plus we got Major League Baseball's Draft up coming this 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 3: weekend as well, A lot to get to with Keith Law. 20 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 3: I want to start with this, so there's a new 21 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 3: season of the Quarterback on Netflix, and a guy who 22 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 3: I do think that America sort of fell in love 23 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 3: with watching this series going back two years ago was 24 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins. And we talked to start the show, if 25 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 3: you're just joining us, Doug goleli'ben for Colin. We talked 26 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 3: about how WNBA players, I think the best term would 27 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 3: be felt disenfranchised by mainstream fans and media for so long. 28 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: Now they're like taking it out on Caitlin Clark. I 29 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 3: think Kirk Cousins is a guy that's had a lot 30 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 3: of AMMO. Picked in the fourth round from a team 31 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 3: that drafted a first round starting quarterback who was Rookie 32 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 3: of the Year that year in RG three, and then 33 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 3: when it became his franchise, felt like they didn't like 34 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 3: him there. Heck, the president of the team in an 35 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 3: interview kept calling him Kirk Cousin. When his name is 36 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins. I'd like, again, you're showing somebody disrespect if 37 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: he don't even know their name right repeatedly. Yes, I know, 38 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: I know I screwed up blast out, but my point 39 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: is when it's and again, it was like Bruce Allen 40 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 3: was like eight times and when to talking about Kirk Cousins. 41 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins, Kirk Couins like, name's Kirk, and I work 42 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 3: for you and I'm starting quarterback. So Kirk has spent 43 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 3: time exacting his own personal revenge for people who didn't 44 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 3: think he was good enough. Got the fully guaranteed contract, 45 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 3: got the extension of Minnesota, won a road playoff game 46 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 3: in New Orleans, proved on some level that he's better 47 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 3: than advertised in primetime games, and then departs at the 48 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 3: end of last season. Now full disclosure, end of last 49 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 3: season and he had torn his achilles tendent. He was 50 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 3: on his way to a unbelievable year in the neighborhood 51 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: of six thousand yards passing that season. But Kirk Cousins 52 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 3: struggled from about the midpoint this year and ultimately got 53 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: pulled for Michael Pennix, who was the top ten pick 54 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 3: of the Falcons. Too many people's surprise, like you're going 55 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 3: to sign Kirk Cousins then draft a first round pick quarterback. 56 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 3: That seems weird. So in that season of the quarterback, 57 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 3: with the new season the quarterback. Here's what Cousins had 58 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: to say about it. If he could do it all 59 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 3: over again. 60 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 4: Wasn't expecting us to take a quarterback so high. At 61 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 4: the time, it felt like I had been a little 62 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 4: bit misled or certainly if I had the information around 63 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 4: free agency, it certainly would have affected my decision. I 64 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 4: had no reason to leave Minnesota with how much we 65 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 4: loved it there if both teams are going to be 66 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 4: drafting a quarterback high. But I've also learned in twelve 67 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 4: years in this league that you're not entitled anything. It's 68 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 4: all about being able to earn your spot and prove yourself. 69 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so he like backtracks, is like, hey, you know 70 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: you're in your spot, you prove yourself or whatever. But 71 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: had I known, look this this one's this one seems 72 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: pretty obvious, right. I get that he likes it, but 73 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 3: the buyer's remorse that Cousins has like keep in mind 74 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 3: that again, Cousins has won in the business of sports. 75 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: He's the guy who's done no extra years. Just give 76 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: me the years, give me the money, make it all guaranteed. 77 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: He and that work for him Minnesota. But Minnesota was 78 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 3: moving on, make no mistake about it. They were moving on. 79 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 3: They had allocated their resources towards their wide receiver and 80 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 3: other pieces and they had made the decision, Hey, we're 81 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 3: gonna go get a first round pick, and then they 82 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 3: signed Sam Darnold as a as a placeholder or just 83 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 3: in case. And remember he had worked in that offensive 84 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 3: system when he was in San Francisco the two years previously. 85 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 3: Like this is one of those things that it sounds 86 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 3: really good in documentaries, like, man, if I knew they 87 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 3: were taking a first rump pick and Minnesota's taking a 88 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 3: first runk pick, and I love Minnesota, I would have 89 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: stayed in Minnesota's Like what are you talking about, Kirk. 90 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 3: They weren't gonna pay you at Minnesota what Atlanta pays you. 91 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 3: You know, they just weren't. 92 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: You know. 93 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, I totally would have stayed there, would 94 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 3: you really? Again, that's cow, that's fertilizer, That's what that is. 95 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 3: I remember he essentially signed a two year deals four years, 96 00:05:52,720 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 3: one eighty okay, ninety million guaranteed at at signing. Minnesota 97 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 3: wasn't giving you that, Like what are you even talking about? Yeah, hey, 98 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 3: had I known that they were gonna do that? Like 99 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't know they were gonna do that. 100 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 3: And again, does it look great for Atlanta to draft 101 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 3: a quarterback. Actually, now it really does because Kirk Cousins, 102 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 3: who apparently got hit and you know, decide to play well, 103 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 3: hurt because he knows that, you know, one of the 104 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 3: one of the biggest lies. There's lots of lies told 105 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 3: in the NFL, but the old you don't lose your 106 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 3: job to injury, Like what did true Bledsoell lose his 107 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: job to injury? Of course he did. Lots of guys 108 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 3: have lost their job to injury. So Kirk Cousins apparently 109 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 3: took a hit to his shoulder and didn't tell any 110 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: you know, now's I didn't tell anybody that I was 111 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 3: I was hurt. Like, yeah, dude, you were playing, you're 112 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 3: playing well, and then all of a sudden your production 113 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 3: fell off a cliff. He played fourteen games. Let's not 114 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 3: act like Atlanta did you wrong. Oh man, Atlanta, they 115 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 3: did me wrong. They gave you fourteen games, and the 116 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: last couple of which were bad. You threw eighteen touchdowns 117 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 3: and sixteen interceptions. Like, I can't believe they drafted another quarterback. 118 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: Why because you were coming off of an achilles tendon 119 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 3: tear and they gave you ninety guaranteed, So you're gonna 120 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: get paid this year. They'll probably trade you when somebody 121 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: else's quarterback goes down, and you'll get a chance because 122 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 3: you'll get you know, nobody's gonna pick up that option, 123 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 3: and you'll get another contract next year. I just don't 124 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: lie to us and go like, hey, if I knew 125 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 3: that that Atlanta was gonna draft the quarterback, I would 126 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 3: have stayed in Minnesota. No, you wouldn't because they weren't 127 00:07:54,480 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 3: gonna give you ninety million dollars. Stop lying, so NFL players, 128 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: stop lying about we don't have guaranteed contracts. You do, 129 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 3: they're just not all fully guaranteed. And the ones that 130 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: are fully guaranteed aren't the amounts that you want to 131 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 3: read in the paper. I don't know. Just the manipulation 132 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 3: or and and some of it is. Again, this is 133 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 3: how any athlete Kirk Cousins can think that way, because 134 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 3: the whole world has done me wrong and I proved 135 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 3: them wrong time and again. Is how he's made it. Okay, 136 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 3: But again, let's not kid ourselves. Okay, that he wasn't 137 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: staying in Minnesota, and he was coming off an Achilles 138 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 3: ten and tear. And if you think that Minnesota, where 139 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 3: he'd had sort of an up and down run there 140 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 3: ended on the up. He was playing really well, uh 141 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 3: in that system. But if you think they were going 142 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 3: to give him a four year two years of a 143 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: guaranteed contract and oh yeah, by the way, when a 144 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: guy stays, he wants to get paid more, not lesser 145 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 3: a home crown discount in the NFL. I think Kirk 146 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 3: Cousins is trying to rewrite history and get a sympathetic year. 147 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 3: And no one's really sympathetic, not because we don't like him, 148 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 3: just because, dude, you're still getting paid. You're gonna get 149 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 3: another contract if you want to do so. Don't tell 150 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: us that Minnesota was going to keep you when they 151 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 3: didn't put that money towards quarterback at all last year. Right, 152 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 3: Their GM comes from San Francisco. They want to operate 153 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 3: under the San Francisco model. As long as they can 154 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 3: get as many players with as cheap a quarterback as possible. 155 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 3: That's the San Francisco model. Okay. Coming up next in 156 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 3: the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio, what is the 157 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 3: matter with the Dodgers? What's wrong? Swept by the Astros 158 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: on the brink of beings, Swept by the Brewers. We'll 159 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 3: discuss that upcoming next. 160 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 161 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: and noon Easter. Not a impacific Hey. 162 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 5: What's up everybody? 163 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 6: It's me three time pro bowler LeVar Arrington, and I 164 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 6: couldn't be more excited to announce a podcast called up 165 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 6: on Game? 166 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 5: What is up on Game? 167 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 6: You ass along with my fellow pro bowler TJ. 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I know that because dear friend of mine, 178 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 3: Matt Holiday's son Ethan, is getting ready to be drafted, 179 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 3: likely on Sunday now. His brother Jackson, two years ago 180 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 3: was the number one overall pick. But that was a 181 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: bit of a surprise. Ethan maybe the number one overall 182 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 3: pick this year. I bring it up because our next guest, 183 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 3: Keith Law, longtime writer and baseball analyst for the Athletic 184 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 3: It joins as he just put out his top one 185 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 3: hundred prospects list and you had number one. Keith, does 186 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 3: that mean that Ethan will go number one? Does the 187 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 3: number one prospect go number one in the baseball draft? No? 188 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 7: Quite often he doesn't. He didn't. Last year number one 189 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 7: prospect was Charlie Condon, who won the Golden Spikes Awards. 190 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,599 Speaker 7: He went third. Travis Bezana went first. He was I 191 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 7: think one of the runners up actually for the Golden Spikes. 192 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 7: So it wasn't a crazy pick. But it is often 193 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 7: about money and what a team believes, how much a 194 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 7: team believes they can maybe saved taking a slightly lesser 195 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 7: player that would allow them to then spend over the 196 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 7: slot recommendations for later picks and get players they think 197 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 7: are talents instead. 198 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 3: Do you think Holiday goes number one? 199 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 7: I don't. My answer might have been different on Saturday, 200 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 7: but Washington's decision to fire Mike Rizoe, who I actually 201 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 7: think did a great job for them on multiple fronts. 202 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 7: You know, I understood Rizzo's drafting preferences just particularly in 203 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 7: the first round pretty well. And he had an amazing 204 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 7: relationship with Scott Boris Holiday, the whole Holiday family. They're 205 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 7: all Boris clients, and Mike really liked to take the 206 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 7: sort of premium most famous so to speak, players on 207 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 7: the board that you know, his belief is what they're 208 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 7: famous for a reason. Even Holiday is famous for a reason. 209 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 7: He's super talented. Now I have a feeling they'll do 210 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 7: something a little bit more conservative, which is not to 211 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 7: say it will be the wrong pick. There's plenty of 212 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 7: good candidates this year, sure, but I don't think they'll 213 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 7: go high school. I think they'll go college. 214 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 3: Now, speaking of college, Paul Skins continues, there is ridiculous, 215 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: but his team stinks and the firm stand isn't particularly good. 216 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 3: Right Other than that, mister Lincoln, how is the show? 217 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 3: I know ownership came out like what not trade and 218 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 3: pull skates? Is there a world in which they replenish 219 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 3: their farm system by moving skates? 220 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 7: I don't think so. Nobody has talked to this totally 221 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 7: might be, but nobody I've talked to has really even 222 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 7: brought this up as a possibility, like, I think they 223 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 7: would trade Mitch Keller, and I think they should trade 224 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 7: Mitch Keller because obviously with pictures you just worry you're 225 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 7: gonna hold on too long and they're gonna get hurt 226 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 7: or lose their stuff and not be so effective anymore. 227 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 7: But I think they look at Schemes as like he's profitable. 228 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 7: We don't really talk about players that way specifically, but 229 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 7: when Schemes is pitching right, it's everyone's tuning in. People 230 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 7: want to go to the ballpark, is they say it 231 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 7: somedays he's the only reason you might buy a ticket 232 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 7: to go see the Pirates. Not trying to be mean, 233 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 7: he's just that good. 234 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: No, you're not saying anything that you Empire fans like, yeah, 235 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 3: you're right, you're right. 236 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 7: Yeah, So I think he stays if i'm them, though, 237 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 7: I'm like anybody else here as a vail, Like I've 238 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 7: seen Kbrian Hayes, who signed a very very long extension. 239 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 7: They're shopping him. They should. I like Cobrian Hayes. Maybe 240 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 7: he'll be better somewhere else, but he's not helping the 241 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 7: Pirates and they need to replenish. Like you said, they 242 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 7: need to boost, particularly the hitting talent in the farm system. 243 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 3: Uh. Misserrowski after giving up a too h curveball to Shohey, 244 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 3: was outstanding again last night. He had the maybe two 245 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 3: bad at bats as a pitcher against the Mets, maybe 246 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 3: three in one inning. Outside of that, he's been outstanding. 247 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 3: It's it's really he's got great stuff. But as you 248 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 3: pointed out right, you're always worried about the young pitcher 249 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 3: getting in too soon because injury or you know, second 250 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 3: time through. Uh, you know, against teams that they get 251 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,479 Speaker 3: a book on him. What is the league saying about 252 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 3: about Misserrowski and his ability to maintain this level of dominance. 253 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 7: So the pure stuff, just if we're just talking even 254 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 7: just fashlawng Slider always have even when he was a 255 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 7: junior college prospect a couple of years ago and burst 256 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 7: think of second round stuff with elite never threw a 257 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 7: lot of strikes. That has gradually gotten better, And you know, 258 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 7: there's always been. 259 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 8: A concern it's going to get hurt because it's. 260 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 7: A violent delivery and he throws so hard so consistently. 261 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 7: Guys like that just don't have a great track record 262 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 7: of staying healthy. I can't predict an injury. Yeah, I 263 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 7: look at him, and I fear that guy looks riskier 264 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 7: than most. The thing I'm most curious to see is 265 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 7: what you just said. As hitters get to see him 266 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 7: again and again, are they going to start to lay 267 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 7: off a lot of that stuff. He can get guys 268 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 7: out in the zone, but I don't think he can 269 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 7: locate in the zone consistently enough. And they're going to try, 270 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 7: especially that slider. If they're going to lay off the 271 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 7: slider out of the zone, maybe even try to cheat 272 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 7: on the fastball a little bit. And that's kind of 273 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 7: what the Mets did. The Mets, especially second time through 274 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 7: the order, looked like they made an adjustment. So as 275 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 7: he gets around the league, do we start to see 276 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 7: that happen. And you know what, if he keeps getting 277 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 7: guys out the second time through, I will gladly sort of, 278 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 7: you know, shake my hands and say, yup, Okay, he's good. 279 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 7: He's a number one starter and there's at least those 280 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 7: two pitches. You do not see many guys in baseball 281 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 7: rotation or bullpens who have two pitches that good. 282 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 3: The Dodgers have lost five in a row, and like 283 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 3: Look again, they were coming off of a run where 284 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: they won I don't know, thirteen out of sixteen, but 285 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 3: these are playoff teams Astros and Brewers, and in four 286 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 3: of those five games they've only scored one run. I 287 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 3: know they're pitching is yet to be healthy, but what's 288 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 3: happened to the Dodgers' bats? 289 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, I wonder a little bit. Even coming into the year, 290 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 7: we just sort of off thought they, you know, they 291 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 7: would bludgeon everybody right though. The offense looked like it 292 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 7: was going to be, if not the best, among the best, 293 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 7: and they are still second in the National League in 294 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 7: run scored per neame, but just slightly behind the Cubs. 295 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 7: So I don't think there's reason to panic. The offense 296 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 7: is on the older side. Do they start to see 297 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 7: some fatigue over the course of a long season. Is 298 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 7: this an opportunity maybe for the front office to say, 299 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 7: let's go get another maybe a bat with some versatility, 300 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 7: just to give some guys off so that they're a 301 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 7: little fresher into September and October. I'm just speculating it 302 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 7: could just be a bad couple of weeks for them 303 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 7: against some pretty good competition, as you said, because even 304 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 7: with the offensive struggles the last week or two, they 305 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 7: are still among the best offenses in either league. 306 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 3: So far this year, no question. I look at that 307 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 3: National League, right, you got the Mets have fifty three wins, 308 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 3: the Phillies fifty three wins, the Cubs fifty four, the 309 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 3: Brewers fifty two. You know, the Giants. They went on 310 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 3: a walk off inside the park. That's nuts, nuts, But 311 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 3: it's still the Dodgers and everybody else, assuming Blake Snell 312 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 3: is back in time that that they're healthy. If I 313 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 3: were to say, Keith, put your life savings on one 314 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: team in the National League, being the biggest challenger to 315 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 3: the Dodgers, what would you answer. 316 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 7: Be, Oh, that's a good one. I think I'd still 317 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 7: say the Phillies because even though they're offense, my worst 318 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 7: Philly stands so I see a lot of Philly schemes 319 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 7: when I'm not actually out, and their offense can be 320 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 7: really frustrating. But they're going to make the playoffs. Their 321 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 7: rotation maybe the best in baseball. They could carve their 322 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 7: way through October just on pitching. And I think back 323 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 7: to those six Cardinals, who weren't that good of a team, 324 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 7: but their pitchers got real good, real fast in October, 325 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 7: and they more or less just pitch their way to 326 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 7: the World Series Championship. And I think the Phillies, they're 327 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 7: just such a good rotation on paper. I think they 328 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,479 Speaker 7: could do that. I'd like it even more if they 329 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 7: went out and acquired a little more bullpen help. But 330 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 7: Dave Dombrowski always does stuff like that, like, they'll be active, 331 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 7: they'll be buyers, they'll identify something they can fix at 332 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 7: the deadline, and the bullpen is generally the easiest thing 333 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 7: to do. 334 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 3: In July, the Detroit I'm just trying to figure out. 335 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously Ryley Green and Spencer Tolger Center are amazing, yep. 336 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 3: But I mean the Tigers on paper look awesome, and 337 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 3: it's just so hard to comprehend. You know, a team that, 338 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 3: you know, what was it nineteen they lost one hundred 339 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 3: and fourteen games to begin the slow build back, but 340 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 3: you know four years ago as ninety six losses. Is 341 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 3: this real what we're seeing? Fifty nine and thirty four 342 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 3: great run differential? Is this real? 343 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 8: Yeah? 344 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 7: I think it is. I think they're helped by a 345 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 7: week's division, right, Nobody else in the division's over fives, 346 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 7: so that boosts them a little bit. But they got 347 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 7: They had one guy in the whole line up before 348 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 7: about two weeks ago who was a below average hitter, 349 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 7: and that was Trey Sweeney, and now he's out with 350 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 7: the miners. They got Parker Meadows back. They're trying to 351 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 7: hoavier Buys back at shortstop they can roll out. Maybe 352 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 7: it's not the best lineup, but it has no holes 353 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 7: won through nine and I think that's a big part 354 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 7: of why they've been one of the better run scoring 355 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 7: teams in the league. Also, it's not just Treik Schooble 356 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 7: like it was last year. It was the you know, 357 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 7: Schooble and pitching chaos was aj Hinch's term for it, 358 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 7: and it worked, but no one you can't do that 359 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 7: for a whole season, and Schoogles just as good. But 360 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 7: Casey Mice looks like he's finally turning into the I 361 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 7: thought he'd be eight years ago when he was the 362 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 7: first overall pick. They've gotten great work out of results 363 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 7: and Jack Flaherty has at least taken up some innings. 364 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 7: They should go get a starter. That's and I think 365 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 7: they're going to do something. They're definitely buyers at this point. 366 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 7: They've got a great farm system. I would like to 367 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 7: see them go get one more playoff worthy starter for October. 368 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 7: But I do think they're very real. I don't just 369 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 7: think they're going to the playoffs. Theyll probably end up 370 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 7: with home fields for at. 371 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 8: Least around Yeah. 372 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 3: Well, and Will West has been awesome, right, Yes, that 373 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 3: helps them. Yeah, I mean, but when you have somebody 374 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 3: then close the door and he's doing so incredibly well, 375 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 3: it's it's just crazy to see the Tigers. You're like, 376 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 3: is that wait? 377 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 7: The Tigers? Tigers? Yeah, they got good really fast. It's unusual. 378 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 7: But it's also like it should give a lot of 379 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 7: other fans hope you can turn things around really quickly. 380 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 7: And the Tigers, you know, bad for a lot of years, 381 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 7: a lot of high draft picks. Several of those guys 382 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 7: just kind of broke out all at once in like 383 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 7: a year and a half span. They waited for a 384 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 7: while on to he broke out Miz they waited forever, 385 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 7: and through Tommy John surgery, he broke out Riley Green. 386 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 7: I agree with you, he's a superstar. All those guys 387 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 7: kind of hit around the same time, and that's how 388 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 7: they went from one hundred losses to they could win 389 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 7: on hundred games this year. 390 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 3: The big dumper, I just I can't say it. I 391 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 3: can't say it enough. I try not chuck out the 392 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 3: big dumber cal Riley. Okay, It's it's one thing to 393 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 3: have thirty six home runs, have a one point two 394 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 3: nine ops it, which is second best in the league. 395 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 3: It's nothing to do it as a catcher. And then 396 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,719 Speaker 3: the third thing to do it in Seattle where balls 397 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 3: do not fly out of Seattle at all. Right, Dennis 398 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 3: Ballpark for home runs in the league. How sustainable is this? 399 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 3: Can all those things consider that he's a catcher and 400 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 3: that he's playing in Seattle. 401 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 7: It's I believe in the old scouting axiom that catchers 402 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 7: often developed later because there's so much wear and tear 403 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 7: on their bodies and because we them to do basically 404 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 7: two full time jobs. Well, he's twenty eight. That's kind 405 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 7: of peak years anyway for a lot of hitters. So 406 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 7: I'm not shocked he's taken a step forward. I am 407 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 7: probably most maybe not shocked, amazed he's become a way 408 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,239 Speaker 7: more disciplined hitter, and he's hit thirty homers before he's 409 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 7: gonna hit fifty five this year. That's another level. But 410 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 7: it's that his at faster, better, is walking more, He's 411 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 7: making more contact overall. That's the thing that I think 412 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 7: is so amazing when we've seen guys do that more 413 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 7: often than not. It is sustainable. So we might see 414 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 7: a couple of years of Cal Rawly doing his best 415 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 7: Johnny Bench impression before it happened. I don't care if 416 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 7: he's the big dumper or the medium dumper or the 417 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 7: little dumper. Right, eventually it catches up to you. It's 418 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 7: hard to see a catcher of the big league eventually. 419 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 3: It'll say. 420 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 7: But to me, I say, enjoy it. And by the way, 421 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 7: I CBS News have me on and you're damn right, 422 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 7: I said, big dumper on national television. 423 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 3: Hey, you just came down that MLB is going to 424 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 3: use the ABS challenge system in the All Star Game. 425 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 3: Granted it's the All Star Game, like they'll probably just 426 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 3: do it to bring attention, but seems like a precursor 427 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 3: for what's gonna happen next year in the Biggs. 428 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 7: Right, Yes, absolutely, I love it. By the way, I've 429 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 7: seen it in the Arizona Fall League. It's been a 430 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 7: couple of Triple A games this year to see like 431 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 7: Andrew Painter and Cam Schlitler just putching it's nice and 432 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 7: the Yankees I was always Triple A start last week. 433 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 7: I love the ABS and the fans get into it 434 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 7: because they don't know if you've seen it. If they 435 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 7: do the they put it on the jumbo con and 436 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 7: they show a computer graphic to the path of the 437 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 7: ball and people cheer or boo or whatever. But it 438 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 7: adds an excitement to what would otherwise be Nobody likes replay. 439 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 7: That's basically what this is. Another kind of replay. But said, 440 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 7: they make it fun, so I'm and also I think 441 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 7: it makes things more accurate, So I'm a big. 442 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 3: Thing, right, Keith, Great to catch up man. Enjoy the draft. 443 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 3: I know it's like your personal Christmas because it challenges 444 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 3: the depth of your knowledge. It's outstanding. Check his work 445 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 3: out in the Athletic It's got the top one hundred prospects. 446 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 3: The MLB Draft is uh what is it? Six Scott 447 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 3: Eastern Time on Sunday. It lasts essentially in perpetuity, but 448 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 3: it's still amazing stuff because that's how that's how top 449 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 3: ball teams are made. Keith, thanks for joining us. I 450 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 3: really appreciate it. 451 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 7: My pleasure. 452 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 3: That's Keith Law from the Ethnic Let's get to ryme 453 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 3: music with the news. 454 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 5: Turn on the news. 455 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 2: This is the Herdline News. 456 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 3: Hello, Ryan, what do you got for it? Oh? 457 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 9: Doug, Oh, it's good to be listening to two steam 458 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 9: heads talk about America's pastime, summertime. Good stuff there between 459 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 9: you and Keith Law. But we are going to turn 460 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 9: our attention to the association the NBA, the Knicks. They 461 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 9: officially introduced Mike Brown as their new head coach, and 462 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 9: here's what he had to say about the massive, perhaps 463 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 9: unrealistic expectations that he's facing in New York. 464 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 10: Nobody has any bigger expectations first of all than I do. 465 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 10: My expectations are high. This is the Knicks. I talked 466 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 10: about Madison Square Garden being iconic. I love and embrace 467 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 10: the expectations that come along with it. 468 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 9: Do you I'm sure what you supposed to say? 469 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 3: What are you supposed to say? 470 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 5: Absolutely? No, I get it. I'm not believed. 471 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 3: I mean said like like listen. So, So here's the 472 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 3: here's my Mike Brown thing. I know, Mike, I think 473 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 3: it to be an exceptional human being. Like he's a 474 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 3: legit good dude, Okay, and all of us I would 475 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 3: hope have learned from our past successes, but also our 476 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 3: past mistakes. I think trying to run Princeton offense when 477 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 3: you have Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard and those guys 478 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 3: Eddie Jordan running it when you were in LA, that's 479 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 3: a mistake that is firing, right, But we need to 480 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 3: remember that he did help, like the Lebron team that 481 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 3: went to the finals that had Booby Gibson as his 482 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 3: starting you know guard oppos. Yeah, Mike Brown was the coach, 483 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 3: so you couldn't hire somebody to replace Thibodeau who hadn't 484 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 3: done as much or more than Tips had done in 485 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 3: the playoffs. Mike Brown checks that out. He comes from 486 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 3: very good stock, right, got spurs. And of course Steve 487 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 3: Kerr he's been a head coach. He's been a very 488 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 3: less successful head coach. Do I care that he's like, yeah, 489 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 3: I run towards xpitting, Like that's great, dude, It's New York. 490 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 3: They're crazy. Owner is crazy. But again, it's opening press conference. 491 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 3: Let's just take a beat and see how it plays out, 492 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 3: doesn't have a perfect roster, got to be improved, and 493 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 3: then they got to figure out. Really it feels like, 494 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 3: you know, is the owner gonna let the basketball people 495 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 3: do their job and then oh, yeah, by the way, 496 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 3: does Rick Brunson help them or hurt them? As it 497 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 3: appears again, this is just based on what I've heard 498 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 3: and what we've seen with some former players. Does he 499 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 3: have too much say with the coaching staff as an 500 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 3: as system but also the father of your best player. 501 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 9: I have a couple of points on this which almost 502 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 9: kind of conflict with each other, but I want to 503 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 9: throw them at you. 504 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 5: Okay, So okay. With Mike Brown, it's hard. 505 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 9: To say that he is a definitive upgrade over Thibodeaux. 506 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 9: So that's where the questions come into play, and you 507 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 9: start to go, why are you getting rid of a 508 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 9: guy like Thibodeaux when you don't have that absolute known 509 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 9: coaching candidate. And obviously the way that they went about 510 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 9: this whole process essentially trying to poach all the top 511 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 9: coaches that are currently already under contract with teams and 512 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 9: got like email Udoka a huge raise and tried to 513 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 9: go after Chris Bench and all this stuff. So you 514 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 9: have a lot of questions about their approach. 515 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 5: Now, what I. 516 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 9: Will say is with the Warriors, when they were coming 517 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 9: up and they had Mark Jackson at their head coach, 518 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 9: it had a lot of the same reaction, which was, 519 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 9: how could you be getting rid of Mark Jackson? 520 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 5: This team is finally having postseason. 521 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 9: Success for the first time in a long time, and 522 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 9: they ended up with Steve Kerr, who clearly did become 523 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 9: an upgrade. Now, I know those aren't exact comps because 524 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 9: Steve Kerr coming out of broadcasting whereas Mike Brown is 525 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 9: a lifelong coach with a somewhat proven track record. But 526 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 9: it just sort of feels like there is proof of 527 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 9: concept that these teams have shown improvement, have gotten close, 528 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 9: and it really is that one head coach move away 529 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 9: from putting them over the top to get them to 530 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 9: where they want to go. 531 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I also think there's some personnel stuff 532 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 3: they got to kind of figure out. 533 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 5: Right, no doubt. 534 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I mean, Karl Anthony Towns. We talked 535 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 3: a little bit earlier about the NBA. We're talking about 536 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 3: the Lakers. How the Lakers three best players are their 537 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 3: three worst defenders. Yeah, can't do it, right, You can 538 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 3: have one. Well, the Knicks, they're two best players or 539 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 3: two of their three best players. Put og and Obi 540 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 3: in there. Like Brunson struggles to guard because of his 541 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 3: size and you know he carries so much load offensively, 542 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 3: and then Carl Towns struggles to guard because it just 543 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 3: doesn't move that well, like, it's not what he does. 544 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,479 Speaker 3: He's a stretch five who can really pass and shoot. 545 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 3: So again he's brought in to improve their defense, and 546 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 3: you know, Tibbs is known as a defensive guy. I 547 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 3: do think at some point in time, you are which 548 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 3: your personnel is and are you gonna move that personnel? 549 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 3: But anyway, what was the other what were the other 550 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 3: bullets you want to get to? 551 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 5: Well, just that it. 552 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 9: Embracing the expectations to your point is it's sort of 553 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 9: what you were saying, is that I think the expectations 554 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 9: are outweighed by their roster limitations. 555 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 5: I don't think. 556 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, But but here's the thing. Okay, like Eastern. 557 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 9: Conference Finals feels about the cap for this team now 558 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 9: maybe next year because of the Halliburton injury and the 559 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 9: Tatum injury, they actually do have a window where they 560 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 9: can get in there. But it does feel like this 561 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 9: team has basically capped out based off of realistic expectations 562 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 9: for what they have. 563 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 3: No question. Again, I think Tim's got fired for a 564 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 3: couple of reasons. One he he doesn't play his bench 565 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 3: now it does. And then when he did play his bench, 566 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 3: they played well. But again, whether or not that actually 567 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 3: means anything, right, because you know, guys go by data 568 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 3: and a long term the data would have played out. 569 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 3: But whatever I think Tibbs, they struggle. He struggled to 570 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 3: work in a group and to make the owner feel 571 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 3: like he was at all even part of it. Right. 572 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 3: I'm sure there were some players that they had that 573 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,959 Speaker 3: it didn't feel like they were part of Tibb's plans 574 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 3: and that they can stab you in the back in 575 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 3: terms of exit meetings and whatever. And then I think 576 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 3: a lot of people thought, Okay, the Celtics, Tatum gets hurt, 577 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 3: and all we had to do is beat the Sixers, 578 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 3: and we can't beat the Sixers, I mean the Sixer, 579 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 3: excuse me, the Pacers to get to the finals, and 580 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 3: the time is now. The expectations are high, not just 581 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 3: because they went to the finals, but because the Celtics, 582 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 3: the Pacers and the Bucks are at least a year 583 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 3: away from competing because they've all lost one of their 584 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 3: best players to an achilles tear. Sure, and you know 585 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 3: who are the other teams, right, the Sixers who are 586 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 3: held together by Scotch tape with Joel Embiid, Right, and 587 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 3: then there's the Knicks. So there are gargantuan expectations. Some 588 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 3: of it's because of this year's success, but a lot 589 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 3: of it is because I think most people think next year, 590 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 3: what the East really is wide open for a team 591 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 3: like the Magic, a team like the Knicks, a team 592 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 3: like the Sixers. 593 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 9: All Right, we'll wrap up here with some NFL. The 594 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 9: Denver Broncos, one of the surprise teams last year, getting 595 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 9: into the playoffs with a rookie quarterback despite having to 596 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 9: pay out that large dead cap hit for moving on 597 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 9: from the Russell Wilson contract. Well, they're wide receiver Marvin Mims. 598 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 9: He says, he's telling serious XM NFL radio. Things are 599 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 9: feeling different in the Mile High City these days. 600 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 11: You can really feel that, like the times are like 601 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 11: changing for us, you know. And then we're kind of 602 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 11: like people always like to say, like a win now mode. 603 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 11: And you know, with the way things went last year. 604 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 11: I mean, we were projected to be last in the 605 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 11: league last year end up making their wild cards. So 606 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 11: the guys are here last year they believe, and the 607 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 11: guys are coming in they want to make an impact too. 608 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,719 Speaker 11: So I think everyone's hungry. 609 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 9: You feeling things are different for the Broncos this time around. 610 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 5: Well, can be honest about success? 611 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 3: Can we be honest with about the AFC West? Right? 612 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 3: Who the cross who you cross over against? Is it like, Okay, 613 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 3: I'm a Charger fan, you're a Charger fan, Right? But 614 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 3: last year was supposed to be kind of a rebuild, 615 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,719 Speaker 3: reloads sort of year and they end up making the playoffs. Why? Well, 616 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 3: because look at who they crossed over against, you know, 617 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 3: I mean your schedule does matter. Yeah, Denver was at 618 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 3: a last place schedule, so they benefited playing it, you know, 619 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 3: I think teams that were down in terms of their crossover. 620 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 3: So this year, I think it's gonna be different. I 621 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 3: think it'll be harder for for that division as a whole. Right, 622 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 3: there's when one division has three playoff teams and two 623 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 3: of them nobody thought would be playoff teams, right, total, 624 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 3: I think it tells you a little bit about who 625 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 3: they crossed over against schedule wise, and you look at 626 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 3: Denver and I completely understand. I'm not gonna be schedule 627 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 3: guy because we don't know who they play against, because 628 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 3: you don't know who's going to be healthy when they 629 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 3: play against them. And sometimes you know preseason prediction for 630 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 3: whose game good doesn't really fit. 631 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 9: I will go against that and I will play the 632 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 9: role of schedule guy for you. There are just some 633 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 9: teams on here on its surface that look like they 634 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 9: have some real soft spots. They have the Titans and 635 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 9: the Colts early. 636 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 3: Yet to start the season that again should be you'd 637 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 3: think too and zero to start the year where they 638 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 3: take on the Chargers. But then you get Chargers, Bengals, 639 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 3: Eagles again, you get Jets and Giants at home. 640 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 5: You get both New York teams. 641 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 9: Right then you go towards back end of the schedule, 642 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 9: maybe the Jags at the end of the year, who 643 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 9: knows where they'll be at, so they're outside of We 644 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 9: know the division games are going to be tough, not 645 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 9: just for the division games, but we expect the division 646 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 9: to be incredibly competitive this year. But some of their 647 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 9: non division games, they were given some breaks and it 648 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 9: looks like it could be right in the mix for 649 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 9: another nine to ten win season and we'll see if 650 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 9: that's enough to get them back into the playoffs for 651 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 9: a second straight year. 652 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair, but again, look at look at last year. Okay, 653 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 3: and be honest with yourself. Right that they beat Tampa, 654 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 3: Tampa is a playoff team, but outside of that, they 655 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 3: beat this is this is all their wins, the Jets, 656 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 3: the Raiders, the Saints, the Panthers, the Falcons, the Raiders, 657 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 3: the Browns, the Colts, and then last game of the 658 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 3: year when nobody played for Kansas City, they beat the Chiefs, right, 659 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 3: So they beat one good team all year, and then 660 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 3: they beat the Chiefs at the end of the year 661 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 3: when the Chiefs played their backups. Right again, So it 662 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 3: doesn't mean that we diminish what they did, especially considering 663 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 3: where they were and you have a rookie quarterback, but 664 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 3: it does paint kind of proper context for what they're 665 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 3: actually going up against. And that's right. Music with the news. 666 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 2: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the 667 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 2: herd Line news. 668 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 3: Uh chat, Holmgren just signed a new max extension. How 669 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 3: big a risk is this for Oklahoma? City. We'll discuss next. 670 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 3: I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is The Herd. 671 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 2: One More Heard. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, 672 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 2: seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search Herd 673 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 2: to listen live or on demand whenever you like. 674 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 3: Doug Gottlieban for Collins The Herd, Fox Sports Radio, iHeart 675 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 3: Radio app. So the big news today in the NBA 676 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 3: so far is Chet Holmgren agrees to a MAX extension 677 00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 3: for the twenty twenty five NBA champion Oaklahoma City. Under 678 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 3: Remember this is Chet, of course, who had a good, 679 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 3: not great playoff run. Right He averaged fifteen game the playoffs, 680 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 3: nine rebounds, two blocks, which obviously kind of plays to 681 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 3: the real strength of what he does defensively. Offensively, he 682 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 3: struggled shooting the ball at times right shot below thirty 683 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 3: from three, but kind of figured it out as he went, 684 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 3: and they end up they end up winning in Game 685 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 3: seven after Tyrese Halberton goes down with the torrent Achilles tenant. Now, 686 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 3: for his career, Holmgren's been in the league technically three years, 687 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 3: but he's only played one full season. That was going 688 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 3: back to last year. This year, hurt his hip and 689 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 3: only played thirty two games. So you have a guy 690 00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 3: who's seven to two pounds three years the league, only 691 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 3: played one full season and he just got a MAX extension. 692 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 3: Earlier in the show, we were joined by Anthony Slater 693 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 3: from The Athletic. He said this about what Chet's contract 694 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 3: means O Cloma City. 695 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 11: I mean, I think it's just checked the box that 696 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,280 Speaker 11: you knew was coming. 697 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 8: But you know, you're you're getting the next six years 698 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,359 Speaker 8: of Chet Holmer's early prime into his prime. Sure he's 699 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,760 Speaker 8: not your you know, prototype number two certainly as a score, 700 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 8: I think he's got higher upside there, but I mean 701 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 8: he's a rim protecting three point shooter at seven feet tall. 702 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 8: To me, like, you know, that is a very valuable 703 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 8: piece for a team that wants to win with defense first. 704 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,399 Speaker 8: And you saw it in the play you know we can. 705 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 8: We can kind of at times. I certainly did you 706 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 8: know their first playoff run together when they lost in 707 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 8: the second round, even though they're the one seed. I 708 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 8: kind of wondered if Jaylen Williams and Chet Hoolmer could 709 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 8: be legitimate number two number three on a title team. 710 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 8: Well that question kind of was answered a month ago. 711 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean yeah, I mean they won, so 712 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,800 Speaker 3: it was answered. And I love the fact that Anthony 713 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,439 Speaker 3: knows what I've said on my show, Doug Gottliebin for Collin, 714 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 3: I have the Doug Gottlieb Show that follows this one. 715 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 3: It's like a lot of people talk about the offensive 716 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 3: pieces and the spacing, Like, dude, Oklahoma City was built 717 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 3: to be the best defensive team in the league, and 718 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 3: then they have one great offensive player who kind of 719 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 3: carries them a secondary really really good offensive player, and 720 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 3: then they just kind of try and figure out the 721 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 3: rest and they run good offense. But personnel wise, some 722 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 3: of it's because of youth, and some of it's just 723 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 3: because they're made up of a defensive first mentality. They're 724 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 3: never going to be at times the most beautiful offensive 725 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 3: basketball which don't have to be win with your defense. 726 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 3: So look, do I think Chet checks those boxes as 727 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 3: a defensive weapon. He No, He protects the rim, but 728 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 3: he's not perfect at it. But he can switch and 729 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 3: guard the perimeter as well. Yes, And my guest would 730 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 3: be his three point shooting should at some point in 731 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 3: time improve over time and regain his confidence. Yes, But 732 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 3: the fear is the injuries. Right, fear is the injuries. 733 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 3: And you can say, hey, man, he's getting stronger, he's 734 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 3: getting bigger. This is after being in the league three years. 735 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 3: He weighs two hundred and eight pounds. Like you can 736 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 3: try and throw weight on dudes, but it doesn't mean 737 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 3: that it sticks. And you can say, ah, he't not 738 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 3: gonna get hurt. But he did the other part to it. 739 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 3: And this is really important. Is I legitimately think that 740 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 3: the guys in Oklahoma City love play in Oklahoma City, 741 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 3: you don't have to worry about some of the other 742 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 3: stuff you worry about in other places. Right. The players 743 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 3: are close, They are all about the same an There 744 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 3: is a great kind of unifying spirit. And Oklahoma City 745 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 3: knows they can't go out and get big name free 746 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 3: agents because they won't stay. They got it. They're very 747 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 3: understanding of who they are as a franchise and and 748 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 3: where they are in the grand landscape of things. Some 749 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 3: guys just don't work there, but they won't ask for 750 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 3: a hometown discount because really what they should go to. 751 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 3: You'd think you go to Jayel Williams, you go to 752 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,879 Speaker 3: chet Holme. I'm gonna go Look, dude, you guys are 753 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 3: gonna be superstars. You're gonna stay here forever. How about 754 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 3: you save us some money because the production has been 755 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 3: good and you think will get better. But when you 756 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 3: only play a season and a half of three years, 757 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 3: do you reward that with a max deal? You kind 758 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 3: of have to if you're Oklahoma City, But should you 759 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 3: have to? I guess we'll find out. These are the things. 760 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 3: His health is probably going to be the first determinant 761 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 3: as to whether or not they can be a champion. 762 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 3: Several times over, Okay, coming up next in the hurd, 763 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 3: Guess who's on the w NBA two K cover. No, 764 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 3: not her, We'll discuss next time. Dog Gotlieb. This is 765 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 3: the hurd.