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Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media.
Speaker 2: Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 3: There is a burden to speak in the truth. It
Speaker 3: comes with a consequence.
Speaker 4: Tiffany Cross, Tiffany Cross, Tiffany Cross.
Speaker 5: Cross, Welcome home.
Speaker 6: Y'all.
Speaker 3: The people who shackled us, abused us, berated us, oppressed us,
Speaker 3: suppressed us. Their descendants are not that far removed. I
Speaker 3: see that you were not just okay with it, but
Speaker 3: you celebrated it. It was a joke to you. I'm
Speaker 3: looking at these white folks, I'm like, why you want
Speaker 3: your kids to be dumbred in arts? Because I want
Speaker 3: everyone in my life around me to be doing something dope.
Speaker 3: And the reason why is because when I fall, they
Speaker 3: gonna be in a position to catch me. The reason
Speaker 3: why the United States is a superpower is because of enslavement.
Speaker 5: Joe, there's no time, girls.
Speaker 3: I told y'all, I've been ready, and Peaches and Earth
Speaker 3: came out. So I do think that we have to
Speaker 3: start considering how we want to exercise the buying power
Speaker 3: of two trillion dollars in this country. Hit them where
Speaker 3: it hurts and if you target white man's money, I
Speaker 3: have to just feel like that's when you get attention.
Speaker 3: First of all, Craig was kind of cute.
Speaker 7: Thank you, Craig.
Speaker 3: If you're not receptive or curious, then you are likely
Speaker 3: not my audience and I'm likely not yours. I am
Speaker 3: curious about things I can learn from anybody, but I
Speaker 3: don't necessarily respect everybody's opinion, and I don't think all
Speaker 3: the people say I respect everybody's opinion.
Speaker 5: You's a lie. I don't believe that.
Speaker 3: Brilliant women said this some years ago. And I think
Speaker 3: these words are to be echoed right here, and that
Speaker 3: is our.
Speaker 7: Time is now.
Speaker 3: Welcome home, guys.
Speaker 5: Yes, this is our New Year's e show.
Speaker 3: This is why Angela and I are sparkling, and why
Speaker 3: these guys are doing their best to keep up with them.
Speaker 5: Let's go okay, all right? So why do we start
Speaker 5: out with all those clips?
Speaker 3: I want to let everybody know this will be my
Speaker 3: last show with Native Land Pod. I'm sad to say,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't have to be a sad occasion. When
Speaker 3: Bakari joined, his one stipulation was he would not do
Speaker 3: the show with me, and that's not true.
Speaker 8: I did say there was going to be a fair
Speaker 8: and we found out.
Speaker 3: He put it in his contract. He said it can
Speaker 3: only be one Beyonce on this table.
Speaker 7: No I am.
Speaker 3: I am leaving the show. I want to do more
Speaker 3: things that I want to do by myself basically, but it's.
Speaker 9: Some people.
Speaker 3: I might be that person, yes maybe, but hopefully this
Speaker 3: won't be the last time you see me here because
Speaker 3: I want to come back as a guest. But I
Speaker 3: want to thank my co host because I really move
Speaker 3: your mic toe. Am I messing up already? I want
Speaker 3: to thank my especially Angela, because I remember I didn't
Speaker 3: really put a lot of thought into this, and Angela
Speaker 3: was like, hey, we're gonna do a podcast.
Speaker 5: Was going to be in it, and it was always.
Speaker 3: Supposed to be this group that you see right now.
Speaker 3: And but but Pa Cary was tied up. Yes he
Speaker 3: was getting the bag when I'm mad at that, and
Speaker 3: then he joins, this is how it was always supposed
Speaker 3: to be. And so I'm just thankful to you for
Speaker 3: inviting me to this platform. And you know, if it
Speaker 3: weren't for this space, I would have felt voiceless. And
Speaker 3: I just like, since my show has been canceled, You've
Speaker 3: been a constant at my side of you know when,
Speaker 3: like literally in Atlanta we even had a little security
Speaker 3: guard with us. I won't say no names, but people
Speaker 3: were like just surrounded me. But Angela was the one
Speaker 3: constant there. So doing this work has been amazing, and
Speaker 3: I'm just thankful that it doesn't mean we won't see
Speaker 3: each other or talk because our friendships predate the podcast.
Speaker 3: They exist beyond the podcast. I think will always have
Speaker 3: some sort of work and relationship. Really, truly, I'm not
Speaker 3: being coy. I really don't know what the next steps
Speaker 3: look like, but whatever they are, I'm gonna be talking
Speaker 3: to Angela about it, getting her advice on what it
Speaker 3: might look like. I know I want to do people
Speaker 3: A lot of you have asked, you know, why don't
Speaker 3: you bring it back the cross connection, And I would
Speaker 3: get so annoyed because I'm like, do.
Speaker 5: People think I got a network? You know, like God
Speaker 5: does his work?
Speaker 3: And younger people really look at me like does she
Speaker 3: not get it? You know, like nobody's watching networks anymore.
Speaker 3: Like you literally have the ability to do this now,
Speaker 3: and so I'm figuring all that out, and thankfully you've
Speaker 3: been in the space a lot longer, so I'll definitely
Speaker 3: be bugging Angela a lot. Chris Morrow, who's the founder
Speaker 3: of Reason Choice Media, I'll definitely plan on bothering him.
Speaker 3: Thank you Leonard for founding the network with Angela and Chris,
Speaker 3: And to Bakari and Andrew, I'll just say you're welcome
Speaker 3: for all the knowledge I've given you both yes, and
Speaker 3: for carrying you both.
Speaker 5: Yes every episode.
Speaker 3: It's hard work and carrying you guys, but I did
Speaker 3: want to let the audience know kick off the show
Speaker 3: and let the audience know that it's not a sad
Speaker 3: occasion because, like I said, you'll see me back here.
Speaker 3: I hope these guys I'll be begging to come on.
Speaker 5: I think we're booked okay to play. I'll take y'all out.
Speaker 3: I want to do an in person show though the balloon.
Speaker 3: Watch her pop the balloon show and please keep tuning
Speaker 3: in a Native lamp. I'll be experiencing how you guys
Speaker 3: do as an audience member. And so many people stop me.
Speaker 3: Oh this is also like the like thirst for audiences
Speaker 3: because so many people stop me all the time to
Speaker 3: talk about native land. And every time that's happened, I've
Speaker 3: been thinking like how you gonna feel when you're not
Speaker 3: a part of it anymore and people stop you and say,
Speaker 3: I love native Land, but I know that these guys
Speaker 3: are amazing and the audience will continue to grow, uh,
Speaker 3: and I'll be among the audience. So I didn't want
Speaker 3: to get through a whole show without letting the audience
Speaker 3: know that. So thank you guys, most importantly my tribe,
Speaker 3: because every time I said something, y'all were always in
Speaker 3: my d MS and in the comments.
Speaker 7: Or supporting one or the other.
Speaker 10: Yes.
Speaker 5: And I didn't even mind the arguing.
Speaker 3: I didn't mind the disagreement, and I definitely appreciated the
Speaker 3: support because sometimes it is like I'm the only person
Speaker 3: who feels away, and you know, I see oh the audience,
Speaker 3: and I think for all of us, I always say, like,
Speaker 3: whatever you say, however, you feel somebody out there.
Speaker 5: Supports you and agrees with you.
Speaker 3: So it was just great to be able to be
Speaker 3: transparent and authentic here for two years, one hundred and
Speaker 3: what episode is this twelve.
Speaker 2: Day?
Speaker 7: That's so rude?
Speaker 6: Andrew, I think they just fizzled.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of not fizzling, do you guys have encouraging
Speaker 1: words that you like to share for our girl.
Speaker 6: Tif Oh she staying for the rest of the show.
Speaker 7: Yeah, she said, if you don't mind, is one last hur.
Speaker 8: Is the consummate journalist era that hearkens back to where
Speaker 8: we need to be. And so I think her beauty,
Speaker 8: her character, her intellect, the treasure that she is will
Speaker 8: find a home where she makes it. A lot of
Speaker 8: people have to look for homes like those dogs.
Speaker 10: You like, Yeah, you know, continue anyway.
Speaker 8: But you you can build your home and it's going
Speaker 8: to be wherever your feet land. So I don't you
Speaker 8: leaving this show. I have nothing but selfish feelings about it.
Speaker 8: I have no heartburn, no heartache, no disdain because I
Speaker 8: know that you're going to be okay. Now, the three
Speaker 8: of us, we're going to have some grieving moments. They
Speaker 8: won't last long, but they but we will miss you
Speaker 8: and everything that you bring to us.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 5: I'll miss you, guys. I'm trying to tag along on
Speaker 5: some of these things.
Speaker 2: I just want to let the record reflect I've been
Speaker 2: against us from the start. When Tiffany began telling me
Speaker 2: that she's been feeling a calling toward journalism, toward this
Speaker 2: very sacred space of truth and facts in a world
Speaker 2: that is bathing, drowning, and people's individual interpretations and narratives
Speaker 2: with no regard for.
Speaker 9: True fact history.
Speaker 2: I feel very very very very very toward today because
Speaker 2: this experience was really forged through pretty traumatic experiences for
Speaker 2: each of us, and we, of course it shared those
Speaker 2: experiences with the with the audience in.
Speaker 6: Our own way.
Speaker 2: And you know, when you when you lose someone from
Speaker 2: that sort of trauma bond, even though we had bonds before,
Speaker 2: but they weren't There's something particular and special and unique
Speaker 2: and traumatic about a trauma bond, and that when a
Speaker 2: piece of that uh changes the environment, it does feel
Speaker 2: like a part of you is pulled away. And that's
Speaker 2: what I feel. But I know that that that you're
Speaker 2: going to continue to take me to dinners, yes, and
Speaker 2: feed me good Maybe an occasional walk every now and again.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'll be there.
Speaker 7: I'll be the only thing.
Speaker 2: I'll be there, warning all of the approaching dog parents
Speaker 2: to police, turn around the other way.
Speaker 9: Ganger danger, danger, danger of love.
Speaker 2: But Tiffany, you are You're You're better than a professional.
Speaker 2: You're the best of us, I mean us are people.
Speaker 9: You're the best of us.
Speaker 2: And you didn't just become that you've been that, and
Speaker 2: I'm just really really thankful to God and obviously you
Speaker 2: Angela for creating this space where we could take the
Speaker 2: first step and then the second step and then the
Speaker 2: third step.
Speaker 9: Out of.
Speaker 2: The holes that we shrouded ourselves in. Not so much Tiffany,
Speaker 2: but definitely me. She's a you know, she's a butterfly.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm gonna miss most. And I tell
Speaker 2: you this, I think that although I feel like your
Speaker 2: opinions are opposite mine a lot, I feel like you
Speaker 2: hit on where the majority of people are and that
Speaker 2: is a talent. That's a skill, and that's an endowment
Speaker 2: of a gift. Most importantly, and so long as that
Speaker 2: north star continues the guide you, your instincts, your guttural instincts,
Speaker 2: led by truth and your honesty, which I think is
Speaker 2: bar none, not only will you have an audience, but
Speaker 2: God is going to continue to expand your territory. I
Speaker 2: believe it. It's already done. It's a matter of just
Speaker 2: walking in it.
Speaker 9: That's it.
Speaker 2: I love you, and I miss you, and I'm not
Speaker 2: going anywhere because there's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 5: I don't want to see too.
Speaker 3: And Amen, because I really don't know what the audience
Speaker 3: curation looks like.
Speaker 5: So thank you.
Speaker 3: I appreciate those words of encouragement. That's going to be
Speaker 3: harassing Angela every other day. You got whatever I do.
Speaker 9: Next, follow us real, Yeah, and you're real.
Speaker 7: They'll get that you're well.
Speaker 1: Tiff there definitely would not be a native Lampid without you.
Speaker 1: You are a key part of what makes Welcome Home
Speaker 1: feel like an authentic experience, a place where people can
Speaker 1: be safe to disagree, definitely not debate, though.
Speaker 6: We don't do that.
Speaker 7: Never, No, we do, but Tiff does.
Speaker 9: Not to box with guys.
Speaker 7: Well you know Peaches and her.
Speaker 11: Okay, got it, but I guess that, you know, I
Speaker 11: really want people to understand how important it is for
Speaker 11: you to be leading in this way and hopefully for
Speaker 11: other folks at home to follow suit.
Speaker 7: You have to pursue and follow your dreams, your way.
Speaker 1: When you talk to us on the phone, I think
Speaker 1: we all agreed the most important thing is your happiness
Speaker 1: right now, and I want you to be happy. I've
Speaker 1: you know, watched you suffer a lot personally, professionally in
Speaker 1: so many ways. And if there's anything that we have
Speaker 1: done even at this juncture, like some things are for
Speaker 1: a season. So even at this juncture, to stand in
Speaker 1: the way of your progress, your joy, and your happiness,
Speaker 1: we don't want to ever be in a way of that,
Speaker 1: and so I want people to know that as she's
Speaker 1: building the thing that feels most authentic to her, please
Speaker 1: continue to offer commentary. You know, Tiff is going to
Speaker 1: be building and flying at the same time, because that's
Speaker 1: the era we live in right now, where we don't
Speaker 1: have the formula for a and OP right now. It
Speaker 1: continues to shift and we move each week. Things change.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the show feels too heavy to us too, and
Speaker 1: so we're navigating you know, that funny with the ratchet,
Speaker 1: with the real serious, with the counter and of the lies,
Speaker 1: with the debate whether we bring a conservative bond or not.
Speaker 1: And you're going to go and do all of that
Speaker 1: on your own, and you're going to be great at it.
Speaker 1: And we will absolutely carve out, create and maintain space
Speaker 1: for you here as a guest or as a guest
Speaker 1: host when you come back, but also as you know,
Speaker 1: an entity that is going to be growing with you.
Speaker 1: And so we do that as a team, even if
Speaker 1: it's not on this particular show. Perhaps it'll be a
Speaker 1: shared platform, but regardless, we're gonna be lifting up what
Speaker 1: you do. And so I'm very thankful for your sisterhood,
Speaker 1: for the many ways in which you've taught us, and
Speaker 1: you continue to teach us by example, even we don't
Speaker 1: like it sometimes, you know, but we know we're challenged
Speaker 1: to be the very best versions of ourselves professionally and
Speaker 1: as your friends.
Speaker 7: So thank you.
Speaker 3: And my sister and I just want to say again,
Speaker 3: I just appreciate you guys so much because the past
Speaker 3: two years have been challenging but also fun, you know,
Speaker 3: like we laugh all the time, and there are definitely
Speaker 3: times where there is no different me, you know, like
Speaker 3: if the cameras rolling or not, you get the same version.
Speaker 3: And so there are times where people will come up
Speaker 3: to me and reference something very personal. They're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I heard you like saying this on or you were
Speaker 3: telling Angela something and I'm like that was.
Speaker 5: A private conversation. Can you mind your business? You know,
Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh, id that on the.
Speaker 9: Podcast in the living room they were sitting.
Speaker 3: We feel like that with you all, Like I forget
Speaker 3: that there is an audience out there listening. And so
Speaker 3: when I'm out in public and someone will reference my
Speaker 3: tears or just you know, something personal. It can feel
Speaker 3: briefly invasive, you know, because I really feel like it's
Speaker 3: just us talking and connecting, and that's the space that
Speaker 3: you all provided. That's why we say welcome home to
Speaker 3: the viewers, and so I'm just grateful for for each
Speaker 3: of you. It doesn't feel like goodbye at all, because
Speaker 3: I mean, Angela and I probably still gonna talk every day.
Speaker 3: Our group chat were flooded four times.
Speaker 10: My message Angela, She's gonna as I was.
Speaker 7: You did say you were. Let me say why.
Speaker 5: I have advice, but let me say why.
Speaker 3: Angela founded the network reason Choice Media, and so she
Speaker 3: is building podcasts and doesn't transparency. We don't know where
Speaker 3: my show is going to be. Like we're all having conversations.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned to the end of the show. You might
Speaker 3: get some news. But she has a lens that I
Speaker 3: don't have, so that is why. And we might disagree
Speaker 3: on content, but you know, she might say you should
Speaker 3: do that. I feel like I've we were talking about
Speaker 3: other week that I was trying to control her show,
Speaker 3: her solo pod. I'm like, no, you can do this
Speaker 3: topic blah blah blah. So I feel like we'll have
Speaker 3: to kind of exchanges.
Speaker 5: You don't remember that.
Speaker 6: I saw it.
Speaker 9: It was beautiful.
Speaker 3: We were on the phone, we were getting off our call,
Speaker 3: and you were talking about stuff you should do.
Speaker 5: And I wasn't even supposed to be on the call anymore.
Speaker 3: I was supposed to drop off and I'm trying to
Speaker 3: produce I do and I'm like, no, you can do
Speaker 3: that this week because blah blah blah blah blah. I'm
Speaker 3: like this, ame, mo, let me go. You know, stay,
Speaker 3: We'll do that for each other. Obviously, for my lawyer,
Speaker 3: Beyonce is the star. He's always going to tell me
Speaker 3: how to be a superstar. But Curry, I'm always going
Speaker 3: to reference you and ask your opinion and thoughts. You've
Speaker 3: even when I haven't, you get you got.
Speaker 6: Sometimes giving me a superstars.
Speaker 8: Recognize the superstars just just watch out for the Billables.
Speaker 3: But you've given me advice about appearing on CNN and
Speaker 3: in different places. You've given me advice about who an
Speaker 3: audience should be like. So you've definitely poured into me
Speaker 3: and that Andrew and I I just I feel taken
Speaker 3: care of when we're together.
Speaker 5: I feel like we.
Speaker 3: Connect on a very soulful level and can share and
Speaker 3: just the human connection part of our relationship is not
Speaker 3: ever going to go anywhere.
Speaker 5: And I literally am going to tag along.
Speaker 3: If Angela's oh, we're doing some podcast conference in San Diego,
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, I'm going. I'm booking a ticket. I'm
Speaker 3: going just to be kicking it with you guys. So
Speaker 3: I don't feel like this is a farewell, Like I
Speaker 3: think our business relationship will continue in some capacity, and
Speaker 3: I know our personal relationships will because it's been decades already.
Speaker 7: So we're happy New Year.
Speaker 5: Want to make y'all we got a whole show to
Speaker 5: get to.
Speaker 3: I love y'all back, and I want to I know
Speaker 3: we'll do this at the end of the show, but
Speaker 3: I do want to thank Nick, our producer, who cares
Speaker 3: so much about this show. And it's just it's hard
Speaker 3: to find people to work with who care as much
Speaker 3: as you do, and it's easy to like complain about
Speaker 3: the talent, and you know, Nick is in the trenches
Speaker 3: with us, and so I really want to thank you
Speaker 3: Nick for that Lolo you guys know, Lolo who catches everything.
Speaker 3: That was also very supportive of each of us and is.
Speaker 5: A dog mom, So I love Lolo.
Speaker 3: Lauren Hansen, our executive producer, will show up in spaces
Speaker 3: that we didn't ask her to, but she shows up
Speaker 3: because she believes in this platform, the PDP program that
Speaker 3: Angela started. It's just young people and I see them
Speaker 3: sometimes and they'll say, hey.
Speaker 5: I'm an Angela's PDP program, Like oh hi.
Speaker 3: It's a whole community of them who you know, donate
Speaker 3: their time to make this show great too. So I
Speaker 3: just want to let them know from the bottom of
Speaker 3: my heart how much I appreciate you guys, and I
Speaker 3: hope that we will all continue to be in touch
Speaker 3: as though. Let's get to the rest of the show
Speaker 3: because it's the end of the year and we want
Speaker 3: to have some fun looking back at all the memories
Speaker 3: we've created.
Speaker 9: A couple of fights, probably it was we had a lot.
Speaker 5: Of beef this year. We were beefs.
Speaker 7: You know what started it? Let me tell you what
Speaker 7: started it.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what started This man had the
Speaker 1: nerve to be sworn in on Martin Luther.
Speaker 7: That's what started it. Liberation isn't beholden to a party.
Speaker 1: It is it is only incumbent upon us to ensure
Speaker 1: that we are always advocating for the best interests of
Speaker 1: black people. Now, when your personal interests get in the
Speaker 1: way of that, we got a problem, and we at
Speaker 1: least need to have a conversation.
Speaker 3: But this seems interesting because our inauguration episode. I was
Speaker 3: reading the comments and everybody kept saying, yes, Angela agree
Speaker 3: with you. Angela gradually make a point, and I was like, what,
Speaker 3: I don't even remember because we had so many conversations.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what is she saying. I watched and you
Speaker 3: did have all the smoke for people who sat down
Speaker 3: with Trump. You had all the smoke for President Biden
Speaker 3: for even sitting next to him. And it does sound
Speaker 3: a little bit like you're giving Snoop a pass or
Speaker 3: you're giving Nelly a pass, when I don't know what
Speaker 3: they've done to earn that pass. Like to me, I
Speaker 3: just I just tried to explain it, like I think
Speaker 3: I heard that, but you're but what you're doing is
Speaker 3: extending them understanding that you you are not quick to
Speaker 3: extend other people if they're.
Speaker 6: Oh, but you don't know that way.
Speaker 7: I told y'all a month or so ago that I
Speaker 7: read in my hypocrisy.
Speaker 1: You will never see me, whether it's y'all or any
Speaker 1: like I will challenge my friends.
Speaker 5: Probably yeah.
Speaker 1: And I just know, like my partiality to Snoop here is.
Speaker 1: I was with him the day he registered the vote.
Speaker 1: I helped him, so I know his heart, I know
Speaker 1: his intention. He ain't fooling with Donald Trump. I don't
Speaker 1: like the decisions he made, but I know he's not.
Speaker 8: I think that the messy bund that you had sent
Speaker 8: a signal you did there and I just knew. I
Speaker 8: knew from the energy and I just knew from the visual.
Speaker 9: The energy was in the face.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, because she was just like, we're just going
Speaker 6: to work to tight grip, Michelle. She brushed the side.
Speaker 7: Forget you rush it might not say.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, what I don't have respect
Speaker 1: for and I don't think I defended Nelly in that moment.
Speaker 1: That was my real husband's Hollywood fiance. I remember that
Speaker 1: I left at the altar. He showed you all exactly
Speaker 1: why I left his ass at the Hawser by going
Speaker 1: to the Trump and a gration stuff and doubling down
Speaker 1: on that Angela Hollywood she was she played on the
Speaker 1: show and Nelly played her.
Speaker 6: Fiance Angela been on ESPN.
Speaker 7: Joined the ESPN pack was damn tube. They might have
Speaker 7: just put your face up there and then you walk
Speaker 7: off in the face that it might have been. No,
Speaker 7: I never did to.
Speaker 5: But you were in that white cat I remember that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, white cats for for the marriage. I ripped off
Speaker 7: the skirt part and walked out because I wanted to go.
Speaker 5: But just on the point, you were not defending Nelly.
Speaker 7: No, I'm still not. I'm telling you what and and
Speaker 7: and Nelly? You you got mind? Never you call me?
Speaker 7: Please your case. But I've heard him specific have.
Speaker 4: Your number, wouldn't I love?
Speaker 6: I'm glad we don't have. We don't. I don't know. Andrew,
Speaker 6: do you do you interact in these circles? I don't
Speaker 6: you do?
Speaker 7: Because anyway, this is why we can't get through no topic.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 1: My point is that I don't like what Nellie said
Speaker 1: in defense of his position around Trump, and I really
Speaker 1: don't like what he said about Kamala Harris, and so
Speaker 1: I do not take the same posture Snoop.
Speaker 7: I think is different, and I just want.
Speaker 1: People to at least engage around the nuance. I think
Speaker 1: that there are some things that are not that cut
Speaker 1: and dry. It was not an official event. He wasn't
Speaker 1: sold in the way that it would be an official event.
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to teg my posture on that.
Speaker 1: Y'all can be mad at me. Will agree on the
Speaker 1: next topic, Let's go to it.
Speaker 2: So what I loved about that clip, yeah, was something
Speaker 2: that Tiffany does so well and is consistent for doing.
Speaker 9: Across the board. No, she's a journalist. She goes straight
Speaker 9: to the to the contradiction. She goes straight to it.
Speaker 9: And it's not just with then with every single what
Speaker 9: book car you know, you kind of fresh.
Speaker 6: So all she can do is you can still smell
Speaker 6: a baby powder, you know this.
Speaker 9: On your white chest and everything.
Speaker 6: But you go.
Speaker 2: I think that's so important for a platform like this
Speaker 2: that the audience knew that between the conversation, nobody was
Speaker 2: gonna get left. No one's gonna get off the hook
Speaker 2: if you if you go that.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of hooks, who somebody says she had peaches
Speaker 1: in herb but it's never tried to throw their thus
Speaker 1: on TV.
Speaker 3: So she said, are you trying to say I don't
Speaker 3: care about starving children? And I said, well, it certainly
Speaker 3: doesn't sound like it. So during the commercial break, this
Speaker 3: is where things went left, and pray for her that
Speaker 3: I was on the panel that night and not either
Speaker 3: of my co hosts. Particularly into a She turns to
Speaker 3: me and puts her hands on me, puts her hands
Speaker 3: on my shoulder and has her fingers like this close
Speaker 3: to my face and is like, honey, do not say
Speaker 3: that I don't care about starving children. So already my
Speaker 3: blood is boiling, but I'm trying to contain myself because to.
Speaker 5: Me, I feel like this is violence.
Speaker 3: You're touching me without my permission, and you have your
Speaker 3: fingers a little too close to my face for comfort,
Speaker 3: and so I say, get your hands off me, do
Speaker 3: not touch me, and move your fingers from my face.
Speaker 3: I move your fingers out of my face. And she says,
Speaker 3: you're saying I don't care about starving children. She's going
Speaker 3: on and on, and I was like, you are complicit
Speaker 3: in what's happening. You are intentionally stating things that are
Speaker 3: not facts, and shame on you.
Speaker 5: And she is escalating and she says you Okay.
Speaker 3: In my best self, I would have flown so above
Speaker 3: that I would have just been like wow, like what
Speaker 3: a you know, immature person that you can't contain your
Speaker 3: emotions that way, Like how immature and silly, and you
Speaker 3: look stupid and ignorant, and you will not you will
Speaker 3: not take my dignity.
Speaker 5: Sadly, that is not what happened, and I lose it.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I ain't got nothing totwork.
Speaker 3: It was a commercial break on Abby show, and this
Speaker 3: woman was literally regurgitating IDF talking points trying to say
Speaker 3: that they were showing Palestinian children who had like genetic disorders,
Speaker 3: who weren't really starving, just disgusting things that aren't even
Speaker 3: worth repeating. And during a commercial break she confronted me.
Speaker 3: And instead of them saying, ma'am, you have.
Speaker 5: Across the line.
Speaker 3: You need to leave the set, they had the temerity Abby,
Speaker 3: the producers, everybody's like, oh, Tiffany and whatever her name was,
Speaker 3: Tiffany and Jail whatever. It was like, guys calmed down,
Speaker 3: like we were both equally at fault, like I was
Speaker 3: a child, you know, to be scolded. I'm telling you
Speaker 3: it's a problem. I remember Scott saying that to you
Speaker 3: one time.
Speaker 6: No what about Matt.
Speaker 3: MaTx Slapp called you boy, but you touched Scott and
Speaker 3: he was like, don't touch me, and you were like, I.
Speaker 5: Can't touch you.
Speaker 8: That was his sense of dry humor. Though, okay, but
Speaker 8: because we like laughed about that. But mats lapping, I did.
Speaker 6: Get into it. He called me boy doing a break
Speaker 6: during a break.
Speaker 5: I thought it was on air.
Speaker 6: He was doing a break. He said bring it boy,
Speaker 6: and it was.
Speaker 7: Did you did you bring it back up? On the show?
Speaker 6: I wrote about it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I feel like I saw what did you say
Speaker 1: in the moment, not in a moment when he said.
Speaker 5: Bring it boy? Whatever? How did you?
Speaker 8: I was like that you tripping man? And then Don
Speaker 8: Lemon was it was it was a long time ago.
Speaker 8: Donald was a host, and Donald was.
Speaker 6: Like did I just hear what he just said?
Speaker 8: And he was like, okay, I just take a walk
Speaker 8: real quick. Let's go ahead because we had like this moment.
Speaker 8: So I went off and I called somebody who is
Speaker 8: like over all of us, and I was like, I'm
Speaker 8: not coming back home with mad again.
Speaker 6: And they never invited him back.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's at least they won't advise some people. How
Speaker 3: would you have handled that situation? Which one the one
Speaker 3: where she put her hands on you, was like, don't I.
Speaker 1: Would say, I highly recommend that you back up out
Speaker 1: of my face.
Speaker 5: What if har responds just you, I would just like this.
Speaker 7: Kicked the chair.
Speaker 6: You been since Stiffy, I have we multiple times.
Speaker 7: We had talked about it on the show.
Speaker 5: No I won't go on You went back on the
Speaker 5: show multiple times many times. That was one of the
Speaker 5: pointing out contraditions.
Speaker 6: And you will continue to go on Live with Carry
Speaker 6: was like, no, I'm.
Speaker 7: Gonna be the journalist.
Speaker 3: We talked about it too, because I was saying before
Speaker 3: I was on, Abby Shaw was like I don't like it,
Speaker 3: like it's the Jerry Springer political TV blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I wouldn't do that show. And then I
Speaker 5: did the show and when.
Speaker 3: I was talking about it and Angela was like, you
Speaker 3: said you wouldn't do that show, and I.
Speaker 5: Was like, I did.
Speaker 3: And I remember the night I did the show, I
Speaker 3: was mad at Angela because he dropped in our group
Speaker 3: ta yeah you guys, SIF is on And I was
Speaker 3: not advertising that I was doing the show, trying to
Speaker 3: sneak in and sneak out.
Speaker 5: But I didn't want my girls. I just I didn't
Speaker 5: want people to like wh you continue to do it.
Speaker 5: I'm conflicted. Every week.
Speaker 7: I promise, well, let's not make this New York show
Speaker 7: about that.
Speaker 1: But what I will say, what we what we have acknowledged,
Speaker 1: even you know, the show that we did at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the month, we talked about the contradictions that
Speaker 1: we all walked in, including uh these So you know
Speaker 1: there's that.
Speaker 6: I think that you should do more TV.
Speaker 8: I think that you're really you're beautiful, you're smart, and
Speaker 8: when you open your mouth people.
Speaker 5: Listen to put us on together?
Speaker 6: You was God, no, no, no, I don't want to
Speaker 6: be on with you.
Speaker 7: But the idea like to get work.
Speaker 1: Each of us to do that show individually and then
Speaker 1: we all go on together.
Speaker 5: That was so are you going to do this next time?
Speaker 6: Andrew Gillam ain't coming on that show.
Speaker 7: He would do it if it was all of us.
Speaker 5: Oh, I mean if it was just us, sure, they're
Speaker 5: never going to do.
Speaker 6: They never gonna do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's what they said they were going to do.
Speaker 5: And I don't think they would ever put me a
Speaker 5: anseel on together.
Speaker 6: I would love different people. I would love to see
Speaker 6: y'all one together.
Speaker 7: Okay, all right.
Speaker 6: I mean listen, literally, I mean, I don't even know
Speaker 6: if they would get to.
Speaker 9: A commercial high yellow can't.
Speaker 7: Would you bring that?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 6: I what is the no.
Speaker 9: We're talking about?
Speaker 6: You know what? We're going to Angela's speech. I don't
Speaker 6: know what the hell you pulled.
Speaker 13: That out of.
Speaker 10: Me?
Speaker 7: And they're talking about I got job.
Speaker 6: You're not you you you were? There's original, You're not
Speaker 6: really job.
Speaker 5: Jesus anyway, this is this is.
Speaker 6: One of the original have you smelled.
Speaker 4: It?
Speaker 3: One of the I'm moving us along. One of the
Speaker 3: things that I love about this show. One of my
Speaker 3: favorite moments is when I get to sit back and
Speaker 3: listen and be so overwhelmed and impressed by something.
Speaker 5: You all say, You're welcome, well, thank you do it
Speaker 5: a lot.
Speaker 3: But the one time I'm representing this time is during
Speaker 3: our cover of the Congressional Black Hautage, Antela was honored
Speaker 3: with the Phoenix Award. Yes that the Phoenix Awards dinner,
Speaker 3: and before we wrap that show, she said, you know,
Speaker 3: I want to give my speech at the end of
Speaker 3: the show. I'll say, okay, great, you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: really thinking about it. I'm like, okay, sure, Like let's
Speaker 3: all hear the speech. And while she was given that speech,
Speaker 3: I was choked up. I just felt like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I'm so overwhelmed by this speech.
Speaker 5: So you guys take a listen.
Speaker 7: Good evening.
Speaker 1: I stand before you as the first former executive director
Speaker 1: recipient of the CBC Foundation's Phoenix Award.
Speaker 5: This award is not just for me.
Speaker 1: It belongs to every ancestor who refused to quit, every
Speaker 1: elder who told the truth, and every young person daring
Speaker 1: to dream beyond the failures of what America has promised.
Speaker 1: You are called now more than ever, CBC, to not
Speaker 1: just be the conscience of the Congress, but even more
Speaker 1: to be the conscience of our community.
Speaker 7: Let us move forward together.
Speaker 1: Refusing to shrink, refusing to be silenced, refusing to be divided,
Speaker 1: because we were.
Speaker 7: Made for this moment. Thank you for this great honor.
Speaker 7: All power to the people. Welcome home, y'all. All right?
Speaker 8: Can I also point out one thing. Can you see
Speaker 8: the difference in the buns, Andrew?
Speaker 14: Did you see the first likely lightly brushed this one?
Speaker 6: Now that bun that was that was Now that that
Speaker 6: was the first one. The first one was a fight
Speaker 6: that this bun was. We're gonna be stunning there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 1: I will say that I'm very grateful for you all
Speaker 1: affording me the opportunity to give my acceptance speech on
Speaker 1: the podcast, because just like Ruer Ramon and the Democratic
Speaker 1: National Convention did not get to deliver her remarks, the
Speaker 1: CBC Foundation did not let me Rangel take a speech
Speaker 1: that evening.
Speaker 6: She said, She said, I'm so happy to be standing.
Speaker 7: Don't be delivering a speech from profter.
Speaker 9: I got to hear your take a speech on your solo.
Speaker 6: Yes, fantastic, is amazing.
Speaker 8: Really shout out to Joe she she goes way anyway.
Speaker 6: Everybody knows Joe.
Speaker 7: Takes shut out South Carolina.
Speaker 8: I was because I was going to say she was
Speaker 8: the first black female s J president.
Speaker 5: Oh, she was that.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that we had Harry Walker as Harry Walker,
Speaker 2: Steve Benjamin, Joe Teka.
Speaker 3: Harry Walker was the head of the m OK Foundation. Yes, no,
Speaker 3: what am I thinking of?
Speaker 7: You're thinking about?
Speaker 6: Harry Walker was one of the first black executs. Ibm
Speaker 6: oh his name?
Speaker 5: You know who I'm talking about?
Speaker 7: Alford Alfred? Is it less than Alfred?
Speaker 5: I don't know. Steve Benjamin was in the mayor uh
Speaker 5: and jil take it. It's gonna take a scene. Beautiful.
Speaker 1: She's so talented, but she and the founder with black women.
Speaker 6: She introduced and kicked down doors for black women and
Speaker 6: black people. I don't like.
Speaker 8: I don't hate when people narrow the scope like that,
Speaker 8: but black people in Silicon Valley.
Speaker 3: Yes, Harry Johnson, Harry Johnson saying here, that's what I'm
Speaker 3: thinking of, So strike that.
Speaker 5: Wait when not talking about that?
Speaker 3: I want to go back to Candela's clip about the speech,
Speaker 3: because that was one of those times where I was
Speaker 3: listening and I said this on the show then, But
Speaker 3: I'm like, please tell me it took you months to
Speaker 3: write that speech, because it would take me months to
Speaker 3: write something like that.
Speaker 5: So how long did it take you to write that?
Speaker 9: Especially that I stand here?
Speaker 1: You're standing here When I was sitting there again, I
Speaker 1: thought I was going to be on the stage saying that,
Speaker 1: uh that week.
Speaker 7: Wow, I didn't know that about their word for long.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I feel that way.
Speaker 6: Congratulations on the award. I know that meant a lot
Speaker 6: to you.
Speaker 8: Well, I know, I know I know the people who
Speaker 8: mean a lot to Angela Raie, and I can tell
Speaker 8: you that out of her top ten.
Speaker 6: I'm assuming over fifty percent of members.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love my members, so many of them, so
Speaker 1: many of them. Yes, we had a centennial moment this year.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty five, we had one hundred episodes, and
Speaker 1: on the one hundredth we had a by day.
Speaker 7: Makari joined us. Let's roll.
Speaker 9: That is that right on our hundred Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we let them on. That's why I don't know
Speaker 7: the lead.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 8: Welcome to another episode of the Native Land Podcast. This
Speaker 8: week is our hundredth episode, and we're so proud to
Speaker 8: be here and joining you guys as we always do,
Speaker 8: to talk about everything that's going on in the culture
Speaker 8: around us, politically, sports, entertainment, all those good things.
Speaker 5: Andrew, you look so different.
Speaker 6: Andrew ain't never looked as good.
Speaker 9: Do you remember how I used to tell you that.
Speaker 6: People's the thing.
Speaker 9: We were the same person and not a physically in
Speaker 9: the same space.
Speaker 8: Brother.
Speaker 6: That's good to see. I'm glad to you one of
Speaker 6: the number as they say where we're from.
Speaker 3: Honestly, Vacari, I was felt thrilled when you joined the
Speaker 3: show because Andrew needed consistently, because Andrew needed we needed another.
Speaker 7: That's not what she's saying.
Speaker 1: She's saying that people they do say often in our
Speaker 1: comments that we're double teaming Andrew, or we don't let
Speaker 1: him get a word in or whatever, and then every
Speaker 1: now and then the comments are accurate.
Speaker 7: They say, Andrew over talking all of the girls.
Speaker 5: Andrew, get to your point. We love your point.
Speaker 1: No, but it was it was good to have gender balance,
Speaker 1: and we expressed that. I think on that mini pod
Speaker 1: the day that we recorded, we had a topic that
Speaker 1: Andrew did not want to broach again, although it ended
Speaker 1: up being really it's like a really good mini pot
Speaker 1: in which you had to offer was fantastic.
Speaker 6: People like, I'm so glad he talked the black girl magic. Andrew, Yes,
Speaker 6: can black girl magic?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 6: No, no, you know we're not going back there today.
Speaker 5: I remember you said you didn't want to talk about it.
Speaker 9: I didn't know, and you shared with the audience that
Speaker 9: I didn't want to know.
Speaker 11: I did that.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry it was me.
Speaker 6: I'm so thankful to be with you.
Speaker 5: I did I did it.
Speaker 3: You were saying your concerned that if Andrew doesn't talk,
Speaker 3: it will look like he was silent, right, and I
Speaker 3: was saying well, just for transpancy for the audience. Andrew
Speaker 3: said before this segment that he didn't want to do it,
Speaker 3: but those are like honest moments that we.
Speaker 7: Have on the show.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: I mean I would like, said, y'all going to force
Speaker 1: me to talk about it exactly likely not to talk
Speaker 1: from me, you know.
Speaker 6: But thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 2: I know that you know very every always, thank you every.
Speaker 6: Now and then the show needs a little boost to
Speaker 6: go from you know what.
Speaker 10: True.
Speaker 5: I think that's true.
Speaker 7: I think that especially given the year that we had.
Speaker 7: And this is not I don't think a dig on
Speaker 7: any of us, but given the.
Speaker 1: Year we had, we needed it felt monotonous, It felt
Speaker 1: like we needed, Yeah, we need it up if we
Speaker 1: needed some different, some shade, we needed, we needed some
Speaker 1: man types of conversation.
Speaker 7: And what a joke he is, you know, But no,
Speaker 7: we wanted, you know, we wanted something different.
Speaker 3: And I know you have a question for us. I
Speaker 3: just want to say quickly something I really want the
Speaker 3: audience to know about you. And I've said it before,
Speaker 3: but just the work that you do as an attorney,
Speaker 3: like you are committed. You are a son of the
Speaker 3: civil rights movement, but you deeply care about our plight,
Speaker 3: and I don't. I don't think everybody gets that from
Speaker 3: you because you're so funny and you're making jokes a lot,
Speaker 3: but you really are in the trenches a lot of times.
Speaker 6: I love you, guys.
Speaker 8: I think that you guys keep me humble as possible. Yeah,
Speaker 8: keep it, Guccie, Are you talking about the shoes of
Speaker 8: the jacket?
Speaker 6: No, neither one.
Speaker 1: Thing we know you're going to do is act like
Speaker 1: you got an endorsement deal. When we saw him in Paris,
Speaker 1: we do not know.
Speaker 6: I was wearing Gucci in Paris.
Speaker 7: That was he was, but dazzled and we looked like
Speaker 7: a goddamn Christmas tree. We've been there. It looked like Vegas.
Speaker 5: We are all over our little.
Speaker 6: Politics.
Speaker 5: We were at the game watching my girl I do.
Speaker 6: I do everything I can do to support my my university.
Speaker 7: Coon to come on the show. I love her.
Speaker 1: You guys, we have to get through a lot of
Speaker 1: clips and you said we don't have We have twelve
Speaker 1: minutes left, so we're going.
Speaker 6: I was going to ask, have y'all seen the Diddy documentary?
Speaker 6: But we'll tie in.
Speaker 5: You don't want to go, then you don't want to go,
Speaker 5: but I haven't.
Speaker 7: I'll leave. There's will She was absolutely, well, you know,
Speaker 7: speaking of oh, yes, okay.
Speaker 8: Speaking of just all the things that we've been through,
Speaker 8: things that we didn't want to touch.
Speaker 9: Six uh anyway, please, I was like, can I finish please?
Speaker 6: Anyway. We did get into it with the Joe Button podcast.
Speaker 6: It won't even really get into it.
Speaker 8: It was just talking about the cultural things that happened
Speaker 8: around as people thought we got into it.
Speaker 6: But they're actually friends with friends of the show. They're
Speaker 6: friends of the show.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm friends with Flip.
Speaker 7: Now, I haven't talked to Joe.
Speaker 5: I'm not friends with.
Speaker 4: You.
Speaker 6: Said a lot of tricky words. No, I don't say
Speaker 6: regular words. That's tricky to you.
Speaker 15: Tricky words. That's another thing you do. I'm saying you
Speaker 15: say that you want to say that. I'm saying because
Speaker 15: you ain't going to say that second, so I'm saying,
Speaker 15: but I said the behavior, then we good to me?
Speaker 6: Then then we good.
Speaker 5: I know that was difficult to watch.
Speaker 3: I wanted to play it for that clip, specifically because
Speaker 3: there seems to be the death of black intellectualism, particularly
Speaker 3: when it comes to who has a microphone and viral
Speaker 3: clips like this take up so much space.
Speaker 5: To me, it was clear that his co host felt.
Speaker 3: Small, and you know, even him saying you use tricky
Speaker 3: words and Mark responding with I use words that are
Speaker 3: tricky to you.
Speaker 16: The whole conversation around who's an intellectual and who's not intellectual.
Speaker 16: My biggest issue with it was, well, damn, you know,
Speaker 16: a person who's an intellectual should look at the whole
Speaker 16: context of a situation before they have a conversation about it.
Speaker 16: I feel like, you know, Andrew said one of the
Speaker 16: strongest points last week when Andrew was like, I don't
Speaker 16: watch the show enough to have an opinion about it.
Speaker 3: My personal background aside, I want to say that as
Speaker 3: a journalist before I bring up anything on this show,
Speaker 3: I want our viewers to know I have and indeed
Speaker 3: done my due diligence.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, Well, I thought that was fun.
Speaker 8: You know. I thought it was fun because it highlighted
Speaker 8: I think one of Tiffany's greater skill sets, which made
Speaker 8: that show better and made us better. Because I think
Speaker 8: that if and I do believe they did listen to
Speaker 8: the critique of of Tiffany because she did something that
Speaker 8: was very precise just kind of go down to the
Speaker 8: essence of where people are, where we believe you should be,
Speaker 8: and even when challenged and pushed on where we where
Speaker 8: they think Tiffany should be, she held her ground. And
Speaker 8: I just think that that particular and not fight exchange
Speaker 8: showed thoroughly who she is. And I think that that
Speaker 8: was you know, every now and then, when you're on
Speaker 8: TV or you're on the pod, you have moments and
Speaker 8: clips that elevate who you truly are your characters, show
Speaker 8: them through, and I think that was one of them.
Speaker 9: What do I feel like?
Speaker 2: I'm just curious and I really wanted it from both
Speaker 2: of you because I know y'all were talking about straight
Speaker 2: bullets and.
Speaker 12: Did it.
Speaker 9: I know you're pretty resolute. When you say a thing,
Speaker 9: you mean a thing.
Speaker 6: Very rarely is that.
Speaker 2: That's not a that's not a weather vein, right, But
Speaker 2: when it, you know, when it comes down, which I
Speaker 2: have to tell you, I just sort of didn't know about.
Speaker 2: But I knew we had done the show. I didn't
Speaker 2: know it was gonna be a thing. I'm curious how
Speaker 2: you did you know it was going to be a thing?
Speaker 12: I did.
Speaker 5: I anticipated that it would be a thing.
Speaker 3: I didn't anticipate that they would get the podcast taken down,
Speaker 3: but I anticipated that the conversation would travel because so
Speaker 3: many people had reference that shows to me and critique
Speaker 3: and criticism, so and you know, there were a lot
Speaker 3: of things that I had uncovered about the participants on
Speaker 3: that show in doing background and listening to different segments
Speaker 3: that I did not feel would be responsible to introduce
Speaker 3: in the conversation. So I instead decided to focus on
Speaker 3: the intellect. But I would just say, there are things
Speaker 3: attached to some of the hosts on that show that
Speaker 3: are very concerning, And so I stay rooted in how
Speaker 3: I feel you think about congressmen, then congressomen Barbara Lee
Speaker 3: now mayor Barbara Lee. I imagine she had to face
Speaker 3: a lot when she was the sole vote against giving
Speaker 3: you know, the A yeah, the am uf A yes.
Speaker 3: And so, you know, because the way I tend to think,
Speaker 3: I've debated myself, I've looked at everything I can.
Speaker 5: I said, what if everything you're.
Speaker 7: Saying debating yourself and you hate debating, Well.
Speaker 5: Yes, because I do.
Speaker 3: Like I think about a thing, I'm not working it
Speaker 3: out in real time. Like if I say a thing,
Speaker 3: I've thought about it and I've debated myself sometimes it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, if you're feeling away and I say, now
Speaker 3: debate against yourself. Now argue the opposite point. Because I'm
Speaker 3: never introducing a topic on this show that's so flimsy
Speaker 3: it can't stand up to a different opinion.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't take it first. I'm like, come at me,
Speaker 3: bro with what you got, because I've already thought of
Speaker 3: so in that space, when I get to that point,
Speaker 3: it could be ninety nine people on this side, and
Speaker 3: if I'm on this, I don't think like, oh, let
Speaker 3: me rethink my thoughts. I think, well, this is ninety
Speaker 3: nine wrong because on the side of this issue, this
Speaker 3: is how I feel.
Speaker 5: And yeah, no, the thing that I am, I am
Speaker 5: conviction and my belief.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm grateful for in that show is
Speaker 1: that I did not watch that whole episode.
Speaker 7: I watched that.
Speaker 1: I watched that I'm talking about Joe Budden's whole episode.
Speaker 1: I watched that full segment and then Leonard challenged me
Speaker 1: to listen to their full show when they responded to us,
Speaker 1: and it was very enlightening for me and I and I.
Speaker 1: In fact, there was a moment where I was like,
Speaker 1: I could empathize with their experience because of how many
Speaker 1: times people have seen a clip of something that we
Speaker 1: said and they didn't listen to the full context and
Speaker 1: and and it's infuriating.
Speaker 7: I was responding to somebody the other day.
Speaker 1: He was like, why why you guys saying because we
Speaker 1: called Mark and I asked him if he was an ahole,
Speaker 1: and so people were like, well, why are you doing No,
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to and you know, New Year's resolutions,
Speaker 1: and so the thing was is like, no, y'all, this
Speaker 1: was an inside joke based on what Mark was saying
Speaker 1: about Brian M.
Speaker 7: Knight.
Speaker 1: You know, but people don't look for contextques they just
Speaker 1: are trying to get.
Speaker 7: Get you at any point. And I was like, I
Speaker 7: don't ever want us to be perceived in that way.
Speaker 1: So anyway, it's just I appreciated that moment because something
Speaker 1: that I thought was going to be a shallow.
Speaker 7: Conversation forge new relationships like.
Speaker 1: Flip will pop into my lives on IG sometimes I
Speaker 1: pop into here, like I don't know what the hell
Speaker 1: they'd be talking about, but I'd be like, hey, I'm here,
Speaker 1: But it's just it's forged new opportunities to just commune
Speaker 1: with people who I probably or nearly wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Well, I did because I remember you saying that, like, oh,
Speaker 3: you should watch the whole episode. I do remember watching
Speaker 3: with the expectation that I would feel something because I
Speaker 3: remember you saying Flip was like she's saying it's too
Speaker 3: late for me to learn, yes, which I understand that moment,
Speaker 3: but I had that to compare with a breath of
Speaker 3: clips from him, and I found him to be incredibly
Speaker 3: bullying and sometimes disrespectful towards women.
Speaker 5: So it didn't counter my image.
Speaker 3: I mean, believe me, there's a lot I could say
Speaker 3: about some of the behavior of those particularly on people
Speaker 3: who were hosts on the show, but also just things
Speaker 3: that they've said, even getting into sexual assault and physical violence.
Speaker 5: So I didn't change my mind.
Speaker 1: I hope they were clear about on this show that
Speaker 1: we don't condone any physical violence or sexual assault at all.
Speaker 1: But I do think that we should all be responsible
Speaker 1: enough to not just hear a clip.
Speaker 7: I agree with that. Yeeah, and this is happening us
Speaker 7: and it sucks.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I know this is the New Year's show, but I
Speaker 9: wanted to dig in just for a moment on this.
Speaker 6: Of course, as we're getting closer to that, the hell
Speaker 6: loop ball is coming.
Speaker 9: Down, the clouds are partying, and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Hey listen, it's just that I don't think anybody is
Speaker 2: that thing all the time three sixty five, twenty four
Speaker 2: to seven, and and I don't know that I always
Speaker 2: thought that. In fact, I know I didn't always say that.
Speaker 2: I thought people you could be a racist, and you're
Speaker 2: always that. Rather than that, rather than.
Speaker 9: You acted like a racist, that thing was racist. Da
Speaker 9: da da da da.
Speaker 2: Because what it removes is the opportunity for people to
Speaker 2: make a different choice. If you're always gonna call me this,
Speaker 2: if I'm always going to be that to you, what's
Speaker 2: the point in the atonement, What's the point in seeing
Speaker 2: something different, What's the point in approaching this through a
Speaker 2: different lens. It is I've experienced from having been the
Speaker 2: person judging and always being judged but not really caring
Speaker 2: in that way, right that when you do care, you
Speaker 2: really want to know that there is a path to
Speaker 2: redemption or to make a different decision. When I drop
Speaker 2: my Davis, particularly because he has bad mornings, he's just
Speaker 2: he's just gonna be curmudgety, mean baby. And when I
Speaker 2: drop him off, because it's usually a fight with his siblings.
Speaker 2: When I drop him off, I say, Davis, I want you.
Speaker 9: To have a great day. You have a choice.
Speaker 2: You can be mad from this moment to the end
Speaker 2: of the day, or you can choose right now when
Speaker 2: you get out of.
Speaker 9: The car to put on a smile and have.
Speaker 6: A good day.
Speaker 9: It's your choice. You can make it a good day.
Speaker 2: And I repeat it to him because I don't think
Speaker 2: he's going to get the big picture in the moment,
Speaker 2: but just to let him know, like you're not going
Speaker 2: You're not. You don't have to be the curmudgeonique dude
Speaker 2: all day. You don't have to be the mean guy.
Speaker 6: You don't have to be to this.
Speaker 2: You don't have to respond to people who aren't listening.
Speaker 2: You have a you have a choice to make. And
Speaker 2: I just think what that conversation illuminated, and that for me,
Speaker 2: I guess it was when we put when people are
Speaker 2: perceived be in a box, oftentimes you fight like a lion,
Speaker 2: a bear, a tiger, defending your turf, settling in your
Speaker 2: turf rather than saying, okay, let me pull up a minute.
Speaker 2: Just see where is there is there a choice for
Speaker 2: me to make here? And I just hope that folks
Speaker 2: found some grace.
Speaker 1: And speaking of grace and our consummate silver lining finder,
Speaker 1: let's throw this clip.
Speaker 5: You cannot tie imperialism and racism and slavery to just
Speaker 5: one race, which is pretty much what every single exhibit does.
Speaker 7: But let's talk about the fact that when you can't
Speaker 7: slavery in America was what are you saying is incorrect
Speaker 7: by saying that every single thing is like, oh no, no, no,
Speaker 7: this is all because white people bad.
Speaker 4: There is an audience for exactly this kind of bullshit
Speaker 4: that that Michael spreads.
Speaker 6: But she's not the only one.
Speaker 4: We're getting it from black men and blackface who occupy
Speaker 4: only white spaces and who only intend to represent the
Speaker 4: interest the beliefs of white people who are at the
Speaker 4: apex of all of this simply offended and don't want
Speaker 4: their children to be offended by the history carried out
Speaker 4: by their ancestors. What I appreciate is that now that
Speaker 4: we know that this narrative drives fuels maybe a whole
Speaker 4: half of the country, then we can be better prepared
Speaker 4: when we come into contact with them about how we
Speaker 4: need to move, how we need to flow, and what
Speaker 4: checking we need to do real, live and in person
Speaker 4: when we hear it.
Speaker 3: But Andrew, you do really always find the silver lining
Speaker 3: and things. And I don't always agree with your conclusion,
Speaker 3: but I do think and I hear from a lot
Speaker 3: of people who feel like they might disagree with Angelett
Speaker 3: It might disagree with me, disagree with all right, but
Speaker 3: they're like, Andrew brings it home, like he makes this point.
Speaker 3: And I think that's a talent you have. So I'm
Speaker 3: happy that the viewers got to experience that somebody who
Speaker 3: never needs an invitation to a microphone is.
Speaker 7: Our brother who we love.
Speaker 5: Roland Martin.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: But Roe definitely has some thoughts on gen Z, which
Speaker 3: sparked quite the discussions.
Speaker 5: Let's hear from Uncle Roe.
Speaker 14: Gen X, Millennials, and gen Z. These are this is
Speaker 14: the generations that are what I call post Civil rights
Speaker 14: movement babies. Those three generations have been making withdraws from
Speaker 14: the Black Bank of Justice and have not made reciprocal deposits.
Speaker 7: Now follow me, Sada, say it damn again.
Speaker 9: I took I took the day off. I was in NASA.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, you are that day. I forgot about that.
Speaker 7: He was being such a responsible dad Field trip Dad.
Speaker 7: That's great, Yeah, greas poor Davis.
Speaker 9: I don't know who's taking him.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 5: Young people came and responded, no, he.
Speaker 6: Was wrong, Oh, rolling be wrong, Like I definite ain't
Speaker 6: got no beef for rolling.
Speaker 8: But no, I mean, every ounce of blood, every answer
Speaker 8: of change we ever had is because of black blood
Speaker 8: that flow through the streets. And so for you to
Speaker 8: say that that the people that we're talking about who
Speaker 8: have deposited into the Bank of justice, from.
Speaker 6: The Michael Browns who started a generational.
Speaker 8: Movement or continued helped to continue it, Keith Lea, mont Scott,
Speaker 8: Walter Scott, I mean just just those people who were
Speaker 8: superficially on that level. I mean to say that Philip
Speaker 8: Agna had hadn't deposited into the black bank of justice.
Speaker 8: I mean, you can talk about the he.
Speaker 7: Said gen X was making withdraws and hadn't deposited enough.
Speaker 8: He said, he named he said ex millennials n Z.
Speaker 8: And I'm talking about kids who saw their classmates killed
Speaker 8: in Parkland, Florida. And I've and I've always thought, I've
Speaker 8: always said that if you never changed, I was a
Speaker 8: cynical one. If you didn't change gun rights after twenty
Speaker 8: six white kids were killed in Senny, they would never change.
Speaker 8: And then you had them, you had those mixed kids
Speaker 8: from Parkland decided they were going to go up and
Speaker 8: change gun laws, which is what they did after seeing
Speaker 8: that type of death.
Speaker 6: So I just think he was wrong. But people have
Speaker 6: the right to be wrong. That's okay, sure, but he
Speaker 6: was just flatly wrong on that. And I hope it.
Speaker 8: I hope it invited some dialogue and exchange with young
Speaker 8: people who have are going to be the reason this
Speaker 8: country change.
Speaker 7: Had a young people show after that.
Speaker 13: Calling it sexism is kind of lazy analysis of what's happening.
Speaker 13: This has been ongoing over time, and Democrats got some
Speaker 13: work to do to bring these brothers, not just black men,
Speaker 13: but men, bringing men back into the Democratic coalition.
Speaker 16: Wow.
Speaker 3: As a woman, I'll be honest, I do have some
Speaker 3: belief in what people might call toxic masculinity.
Speaker 6: One.
Speaker 3: I don't want to drive ever. Somebody else needs to
Speaker 3: always drive me. Two, I ain't never pumping no gas.
Speaker 3: I'll never want to pump no I want to touch gas.
Speaker 3: Somebody else is doing that. Three I don't want to
Speaker 3: take out no trash like I do believe in traditional
Speaker 3: gender roles in a lot of ways. And I think
Speaker 3: there is something interesting happening, which is what I'm exploring
Speaker 3: in my writing. There's something interesting happening in this dichotomy
Speaker 3: between black men and black women, where it is an
Speaker 3: immediate animus upon meeting each other.
Speaker 5: What are you trying to take from me? What is
Speaker 5: it you're going to give to me?
Speaker 3: Even these terms like a high value man, high value woman,
Speaker 3: and that kind of toxic thinking has penetrated our politics
Speaker 3: in a way. So that was Terrence Woodbury of Hit
Speaker 3: Strategies given us some data. And I remember, you know,
Speaker 3: our exchange after that Andrew, I thought was really helpful
Speaker 3: for the audience.
Speaker 5: The con sexualized fine. It was a debate, actually it was.
Speaker 6: It was after.
Speaker 7: Other brother Gary Chambers No No, No poster Terrence.
Speaker 2: Barry Cornell made the comment that yes, black men, but
Speaker 2: black women. That it was sort of a definitive comment,
Speaker 2: basically saying, but for black women, we be lost.
Speaker 9: You know that kind of thing.
Speaker 7: Where did he do that?
Speaker 9: This was after at the end of that episode.
Speaker 7: He wasn't on the show.
Speaker 9: The the episode where we had this. Yeah, he must
Speaker 9: have done. What was he was wood Bear by himself?
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 9: When we had when we had was his face on
Speaker 9: the poster?
Speaker 5: Where is he by parents? By himself?
Speaker 9: What's his face? There was just name name has never
Speaker 9: been on this? Oh no, well it was a mini.
Speaker 5: Then unfortunately we're we have like thirty seconds last.
Speaker 1: With Gamby Lady. It was he hurt him and Gammy
Speaker 1: that they were on the show. Forget Okay, I'm sorry, no, no,
Speaker 1: no worries.
Speaker 9: But they've done the study. I'm sorry, we're in the show.
Speaker 9: I was trying to that's okay.
Speaker 3: Well, well you can check out the full show. They
Speaker 3: should revisit that show since we're.
Speaker 9: Talking about two different shows.
Speaker 6: It was one of the many debates that lost that
Speaker 6: Tiffany lost on this.
Speaker 3: Well, if you are a regular viewer of the show,
Speaker 3: you know that I say I don't like to debate,
Speaker 3: and my co hosts are like, well, yeah, yes you do.
Speaker 6: So that's what you say, literally, I don't debate.
Speaker 7: Yeah, she means that to let you know she is
Speaker 7: foreclosed conversation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is done, but we have a different idea on.
Speaker 7: What debates It exercise and futility, and that is also debatable.
Speaker 6: You know it's not debatable. But I am going to
Speaker 6: miss Tiffany Cross.
Speaker 7: Oh we'll miss you too.
Speaker 5: I'll miss you.
Speaker 6: Can we sat to split the check four ways? And
Speaker 6: can we still?
Speaker 12: Okay?
Speaker 3: True story when I when I told my co host,
Speaker 3: I was like, guys, I'm thinking of leaving the show.
Speaker 5: But Carrie's first response is good, we get this with
Speaker 5: the money three ways.
Speaker 7: It's all about the benjamins for this food. You need
Speaker 7: money to bouy it. Damn glitter exactly.
Speaker 6: I got babies. It's great.
Speaker 9: I know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 7: What's okay?
Speaker 5: Maybe we all want to give a shout out to
Speaker 5: the staff or.
Speaker 7: What about quick resolution?
Speaker 5: The c t a okay quick resolution? Yeah?
Speaker 9: Read fiction?
Speaker 5: Oh thank you. People be trying to hate on fiction
Speaker 5: and it's good.
Speaker 6: Every day. Be a better husband and father.
Speaker 7: Oh I like that.
Speaker 9: You have a lot of room. That's great.
Speaker 1: Mine is to watch and pray. An emphasis on the
Speaker 1: watch because it's a lot happen.
Speaker 6: Is that a movie?
Speaker 7: No, it is a call to action.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure that I'm focused more on praying
Speaker 1: and being meditative in my practices. And making sure that
Speaker 1: I'm watching my mouth, being mindful of the words that
Speaker 1: I speak, being a better listener, and praying because it's
Speaker 1: gonna take God to get us out of dismiss.
Speaker 9: And it will will, it will come on all right.
Speaker 5: My CTA.
Speaker 3: My call to action is, if you watched earlier this month,
Speaker 3: we did a whole episode on Pop the Balloon, and
Speaker 3: I was complaining that it's the foolishness that often gets
Speaker 3: eyes and Native lamp Pod, I think, is a space
Speaker 3: where you can get information, humor, funny times, stage and foolishness.
Speaker 7: But at least you know you get no it's nonsense.
Speaker 3: You can get some nonsense on this show too sometimes,
Speaker 3: but at least it's grounded in an effort to inform.
Speaker 3: So my call to action is, please continue to watch
Speaker 3: Native Lampod, and please, as I'm navigating my way on
Speaker 3: our ride or today i was sella angela, I don't
Speaker 3: even know how to navigate this space anymore. It's, you know,
Speaker 3: just a time gone by. So as I'm developing my
Speaker 3: next move, please join me. For now, you can follow
Speaker 3: me on my substack, which is just my name, but
Speaker 3: join me in whatever I build next. Stay tuned at
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Speaker 3: but please help me inform because that's really what I
Speaker 3: want to do, And so wherever I land next, I
Speaker 3: hope that you guys will join me.
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