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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcomed Episode three. Our guest and a second

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Speaker 1: will be Elvie Shane, which feel bad for LVA. We

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Speaker 1: talked about this. It's not a name that people here often.

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Speaker 1: I actually I've never heard it until him, and so

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people call him Elvis Shane

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Speaker 1: or Elvi or you think it's a typo because it

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Speaker 1: happens with me all the time with Bobby Bones. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I I was called I was in a bowl game

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Speaker 1: last week and they were promoing my New Year's show.

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Speaker 1: They were like in Bobby Jones host and I'm not

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Speaker 1: even upset anymore because it happens so much. Mostly I

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Speaker 1: just laughed and I sent the video to Mike and

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Speaker 1: I was like, can you can be the second post it?

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Speaker 1: I just think it can't be a real name. I

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Speaker 1: know that thing with Elvie. I'm sure he gets it

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Speaker 1: all the time. But I'll say this about LVI, Uh,

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Speaker 1: I like him a lot. I mean, he has such

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Speaker 1: an interesting look that you would be like, I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna hate this guy. To love this guy because bold look,

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Speaker 1: the beard, the glasses. But I love him, just just

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Speaker 1: love him. Here is my boy from LV Ain't saying

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Speaker 1: my name that feel the same, basically about having a

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Speaker 1: step son. Uh was the number one song got so

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Speaker 1: big he didn't was like people are now asking about

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Speaker 1: doing that my girl, and he did a little version

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Speaker 1: like that he would do live. Um. He has an

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Speaker 1: album called Backslider, which is really great and if you

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Speaker 1: you love his vibe and what he's about, and we'll

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Speaker 1: play some clips in this interview. I I encourage you

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Speaker 1: to check it out. You know, he's born in Canybale, Kentucky,

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Speaker 1: which I'll say this and we start the interview with us.

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Speaker 1: He drove down for Kentucky but he was parked. We

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Speaker 1: do the show from my house and my wife was

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Speaker 1: driving out and almost hit his car. Not his fault.

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Speaker 1: She was like, ohmost somebody's car out there today in

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Speaker 1: our yard and I was like, yeah, that's Elb. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Uh. So you know a big church singer,

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Speaker 1: church like a lot of country artists do. We talked

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna play this for you and be sure

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Speaker 1: to go check out the Keith Urban, the one out

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Speaker 1: we did it in two parts, but then we decided

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Speaker 1: after a couple of weeks, let's just load the whole

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Speaker 1: thing up as a full hour, so you can go

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Speaker 1: back and listen to the hour with Keith Urban. It's

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Speaker 1: up on a past episode. And if you don't mind,

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Speaker 1: and I know people say this all the time, but

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you, near and dear. We don't say

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Speaker 1: it every week. If you will subscribe to this feed listen,

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Speaker 1: that would be great because it helps us. If you'll

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Speaker 1: rate it. What's the biggest rating we get? Five stars?

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Speaker 1: can say this every episode, I guess, but we don't.

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Speaker 1: But if you don't mind doing that, that would be

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Speaker 1: What else do they do? Like review? You know what

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Speaker 1: you ask you to do? That you can if you want,

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Speaker 1: but I don't want to ask too much. If you

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Speaker 1: ask too much, you don't get anything. But thank you,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna play this interview we do with LV Shane.

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Speaker 1: Any thoughts in LVY before we go? Mike, I really

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Speaker 1: like them too. Yeah. I felt like I identified a

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Speaker 1: lot with this story. So it was cool getting talked

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Speaker 1: to him. All here you go, guys, good to see it.

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Speaker 1: It's good to see you man. How you do it?

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Speaker 1: Pretty good? So what you had too much coffee today?

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Speaker 1: I had too much coffee. Stopped in Livingston, Tennessee on

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Speaker 1: had coffee at first watch and then why into did

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Speaker 1: you drive into Nashville? I live in eastern Kentucky, so

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Speaker 1: I didn't you still do? Yeah? Did you know that, Mike?

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I lived here for like five

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Speaker 1: to in a day. Yeah, it's like driving to Walmart

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Speaker 1: But you know, after the publishing deal kind of happened,

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Speaker 1: You would come down here, drive from Kentucky, m on

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Speaker 1: But if you met no one, would you drive back home? Well?

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Speaker 1: what was the goal for you? Was it to get

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Speaker 1: a very distinctive look. I mean, I really missed him,

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Speaker 1: to do Do you have a Is there a hometown

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Speaker 1: radio station there? Yeah? Zee Nanni three night three point three,

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Speaker 1: you live? Uh? Sixteen miles? Oh, that's it. Yes. Whenever

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Speaker 1: I don't wear a cowboy hat. Um. I grew up

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Speaker 1: so heavily influenced by country music, but also I'll turn

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Speaker 1: into music also hip hop, and so you know, we

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Speaker 1: Every day. She was like, I will never listen to

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Speaker 1: the show. And I said, and I we'll talk to her.

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Speaker 1: Put it on the air. I'd say, listen. I get it.

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Speaker 1: You don't like us now, but if you'll just spend

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks with us, and then if you

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Speaker 1: hate us, I will drive to Somerset and I will

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Speaker 1: If you listen two weeks every day for twenty minutes

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Speaker 1: this show. This is an embarrassment. You're not what I like.

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Speaker 1: I will drive. I will personally put the cash in

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Speaker 1: and we call her every day. Two days, three days

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Speaker 1: and she goes, well, I still hate you. So I

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Speaker 1: guess what at school did you like? In were you

426
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,679
Speaker 1: drawn to? I liked I liked music. Obviously, I was

427
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 1: in a course program from fourth grade till ninth grade. Um.

428
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 1: Actually one of my principles and a teacher that just

429
00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,359
Speaker 1: took a liking to me kind of started this first

430
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 1: course program to help get me out of trouble a

431
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,639
Speaker 1: little bit. And uh so kudos to uh to them,

432
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 1: uh Mr Huffman and at the time Miss Children's Um.

433
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,439
Speaker 1: But I like that. I liked automotive stuff. Obviously, I

434
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 1: liked English. I didn't do great in English class, but

435
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,200
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the stories. I was just kind of honorary man.

436
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 1: I just didn't do my word. But could you could

437
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 1: you sing before chorus or did chorus actually tell you

438
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,240
Speaker 1: that you could sing? So? My my mom can sing

439
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,640
Speaker 1: really well, my dad could sing really well. Um, all

440
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 1: my siblings sing. I was singing well before I even

441
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,199
Speaker 1: went to school. Was we was going to church and

442
00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 1: you know old school traditional you know, have this church

443
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 1: singing hymns and stuff. So I was always just trying

444
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 1: to mimic my mom. And uh, this guy named Ron

445
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 1: Spurgeon who was a preacher and a tenor singer in

446
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 1: a group called Journeyman and Jan and uh, he was

447
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 1: just he could get up there where the money was,

448
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 1: you know. And and so I love to like try

449
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 1: to sing high and and everything like my mom and

450
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 1: like him. And then you know, John Fogerty was was

451
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 1: a big influence with my dad and Steve Earle as well.

452
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know I was. I kind

453
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,439
Speaker 1: of knew I was a singer, you know, well before

454
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 1: that in school and chorus. Were you like one of

455
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 1: the better singers or was it later that you kind

456
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: of found your voice? Oh man, I don't like to

457
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 1: say I'm I'm better at anything. I I got a

458
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 1: lot of solos. Put it that way. One of my

459
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,959
Speaker 1: mom missed, I remember that, but pickers. She hates that.

460
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 1: She went to the bathroom man and I had the

461
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 1: beginning of all the langes on, and I was like,

462
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 1: I could have waited, you know, but I just I

463
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 1: didn't know that at the time. I'm in like seventh

464
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 1: three grade. I'm like, I can't. We got the show

465
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: much go on? Sorry, mom, but uh, I got a

466
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 1: lot of solos my first the first show we did

467
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: with the fourth grade in fourth grade was the Christmas

468
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: tree lighting my hometown at the Bank, and I sang

469
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 1: part of Winter Wonderland in the middle week Bills, No men,

470
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: you know whatever that part is, Parson Brown, Yeah, it's

471
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: a fellow I know. Yeah. So were you also wanting

472
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: to be singer as a career when you were a

473
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: kid or was it something you were just doing for fun?

474
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 1: But you kind of because I'm from a town like

475
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: yours where nobody really did anything other than what everybody

476
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: was already doing. Dude, it just seems so far out

477
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: of reach. I didn't know that you could like come

478
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: to Nashville and go hang out of bars and meet

479
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,120
Speaker 1: talented people and write songs with them, or I would

480
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: have been here the day after I graduated high school. Um,

481
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 1: it just all seemed like such a process that was

482
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 1: impossible for somebody like me from where I was from

483
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: kind of grew up the yeah right down if you will,

484
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: similar to you. Um, I was in Abandon high school.

485
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: We did like punk and you know, hard rock stuff

486
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 1: and stuff for original stuff, original stuff. Actually I met

487
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: the bass player at a revival one night. My mom

488
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: let me go to a different denominational orders I think

489
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: she came to, which was really odd. But we went

490
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: to a different denomination's revival one night and I was

491
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: singing hymns and this guy came up to me afterwards,

492
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: and Uh, He's like, hey, man, are are singer? And

493
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: our band just quit and we got a gig at

494
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 1: the vf w N Danville, Kentucky next Saturday. Can you

495
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 1: sing in our band? So I asked my mom, and

496
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 1: my surprise, she said yes. And I went and learned

497
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: like all their originals that week, and and we went

498
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: up there and did the show, and I was like, man,

499
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 1: this is a lot of fun, you know. So that

500
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: kind of started the whole thing. But I played in college.

501
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: Uh did you sing in church? You're talking about you

502
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 1: her mom going to a revival? Yeah, I know you mentioned,

503
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: but I mean, was were you like one of the

504
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: singers at church when it was time either I got

505
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: like the guy, Yeah, my whole the whole congregation kind

506
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: of sang or tried to regardless. Everybody every made a

507
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: joyful noise. Everybody everybody and everybody that made a joyful noise.

508
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes not so joyful, but uh yeah, I would say,

509
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: like my mom, me and my mamma on my dad's side,

510
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: because my mom went to church with all my dad's family,

511
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 1: and my dad he didn't never show up, you know,

512
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: but there was there was quite a few singers at church.

513
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: I was. I was exposed to a lot of talented

514
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: singers and musicians. My aunts played piano. Would never teach me,

515
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: probably because I was so a d D. They just

516
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: didn't want to deal with it. You know, when you

517
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: finished high school, you go to college. Where you go

518
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: to school. I went to the school a hard knocks man.

519
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: I moved to Rebel in Springs, Tennessee for two years,

520
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: where the pastor of my church lived. He would drive

521
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 1: like two hours on Sundays and Wednesday nights to past

522
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: our church, and I went to work for him, um

523
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: doing mobile home warranty work all over the East Coast.

524
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: You just said college. Yeah, Well I was saying school,

525
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: hard knocks. Yeah. I didn't go to call, but you

526
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: just okay, oh you did later on? Yeah, okay, so

527
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: you had a couple of gap years. It sounds like, yeah,

528
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: I went two years as a I went two years

529
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: as a mobile home warranty worker and driver, and I

530
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: was I was very heavily involved in the church. And then, uh,

531
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: I came back home and did one eight D. Went

532
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: to college and bowling Green for a couple of years,

533
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: did really good, and then started doing really bad. What

534
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: was the pivot point there? If I'm doing really good

535
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: really bad? Weed? Yeah, at did you do really good

536
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: then the next day you got that really bad? Or

537
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: was it a slow evolution? I think it was a

538
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: slow evolution. You know, started letting new things be introduced

539
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: into my life and and at you know, greater quantities.

540
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: And but you know, I did good there for two years.

541
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: I think I was on the Dean's list four point oh,

542
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: you know, for at least two or three semesters. And

543
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna be the first person from

544
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: my family to go to four year college and like

545
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: make something happen, and uh, and I was so excited.

546
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: It was so much fun. I was going for creative

547
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: writing and English literature. I wanted to like, I thought

548
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: I was gonna be a college professor or something, and that, uh,

549
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: that lifestyle just looks so romantic in movies and stuff,

550
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: you know. So but uh, and I was like, man,

551
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: I just hate doing all this work that everybody else

552
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: wants me to do. I just want to do what

553
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: I wanted to do. You know. But where you were

554
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: you playing music? Your own music? In college at all,

555
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: I was in a group called eight eight with uh

556
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: my buddy sister and Chad Lindsay or Burlow we call

557
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: him um he uh he played guitar, My my buddy

558
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: Seth play bass. I played guitar, and saying we were

559
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 1: just three p we were called A eight because we

560
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: were all born in ad eight and we rehearsed in

561
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: our hometown at a garage at our our buddy Patty's

562
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: house on Highway eighty eight. So it's it's like, hey,

563
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: that all makes sense. And we got our logo and

564
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: so with a d A. It was their hope of

565
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: we're going to turn this into something or was it

566
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: more of this is what we're doing as something that

567
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: we can get to get together and have fun. Yeah,

568
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: it was just have fun and you know you guys

569
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: good free beer. No we were we were probably not

570
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: very good, um, but we we had a lot of

571
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: fun and we had a lot of friends come to

572
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: see us. So, um, we had like super cheap equipment

573
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: that sounded clanky, and you know, um, I hate to

574
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: be like that, but more expensive guitars to sound better,

575
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: you know, but also you learn how to play them better,

576
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: you know. To what was the deal with you guys

577
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 1: deciding not to be a band anymore? Oh? Man, I

578
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: don't know. That was very chaotic time in my life,

579
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: but I think that we just kind of all started

580
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: fading out and going our separate ways. Uh. Seth moved

581
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: to Louisville with a girl. Chad moved to Nashville girls.

582
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: Did you think that when you were I'm assuming you

583
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: were fronting the band singer? Okay? Did you did you

584
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: think as you were doing this and you're a little

585
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: more adult now and regardless of what other decisions you

586
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: were making, did you think, hey, I can actually do

587
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: this now? I still didn't have that kind of confidence. Uh.

588
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: I feel like I've always I've always felt like, you know,

589
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: God gave me a talent with my voice, um, and

590
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: I always felt like I said things in a in

591
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: a different way and I like to write, like I

592
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: had some poems and stuff that won some competitions at

593
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: Western and and my sister was a poet and had

594
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: some published poems and stuff too, which, um but I

595
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 1: just still I don't know, man of so embedded in

596
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: me where I come from is like, you know, uh,

597
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: it's just growing up a little little poor and you know,

598
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: everything seems so oud right you grow up broke, it

599
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: never leaves you, you know. So it's like everything just

600
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: seemed like it was impossible, and it wasn't until I

601
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: was this Steve Harvey video on YouTube and he was

602
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: talking about jump, like just jump and eventually your pair

603
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: of chet's got to come out, and uh so that

604
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: kind of got me into trying to do something with music.

605
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: Um So you see this video because there have been

606
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: things in my life too that I've seen and they've

607
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: inspired me to take chances, especially early on because like you, nobody,

608
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm from the town of seven hundred people in Arkansas,

609
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: so nobody ever did anything I wanted to do, so

610
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: I didn't seem real because if you don't see somebody

611
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: doing it, it's just something on TV that rich people

612
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: are fancy people. Yeah, that's not that's not a job,

613
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: that's not work. Yeah, And so you're watching this video

614
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: of Steve Harvey saying jump But what did that say

615
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: to you? Was it jump into music? Was it jump

616
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: into getting out of this town? Like? What what did

617
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: that mean to you? I think it was jump into music.

618
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: There there's a lot of things. I'm sure where you're

619
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: at now, you there's a lot of things like that

620
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: video for you. One of one of the other things

621
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: for me was, Uh, my father in law told me

622
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: one day, I need to find my niche and I

623
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: was cutting trees for him when he said it. You know,

624
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: I've had somebody telling me set the expectation when you

625
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: started working with somebody, and that's something that I've held onto. Um,

626
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: But it was that that video. Watching that video just

627
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: O don't know, man, I was just at a breaking point.

628
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: Like I've never been a big drinker. Um. I've been

629
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: enjoying a little bourbon here lately, but I've never I

630
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 1: had to go through these phases. But I was like

631
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: going and sitting out on the porch and just drinking

632
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: fireball and like looking up into the sky, just like miserable, crying,

633
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: grown ass man. And it was just like miserable with

634
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: not with who I was with or the people I

635
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: was around. I had good friends and everything, but I

636
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: was just like, man, I just gotta beat something more

637
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: out there. And some people don't want more and that's cool,

638
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: but I wanted more. And that video is just like

639
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: it said, you know, if you jump, eventually your parasitt

640
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: is gonna come out, you know. And it was always

641
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: like a financial hang up for me, like how am

642
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: I going to afford especially now that I'm married, I

643
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: have a kid? How am I gonna afford to chase

644
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: my dreams and do music? Um? I some wad if

645
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: somebody's got some how am I gonna afford to chase

646
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: my dreams and do music and then be a provider

647
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: or an assistance to my my providing for my family.

648
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: And it was cool, man, Like when I watched that video,

649
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: and you know, later on down the road, I just

650
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: realized that if you kind of follow what that calling

651
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: is that I think everybody has one. You know, you're's

652
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: being the radio mind being uh writing songs and singeing them,

653
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: or you know, this guy being a welder. If you

654
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: follow that, however hard it is to get into it,

655
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: there's like these these angels that are show up and

656
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: give you a little bit of gas money for the road.

657
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: You know, people people who have been successful and know

658
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: what that that road is like, uh and they see you, um,

659
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: thank you sir. So for me, it was like there

660
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: was a there was a couple of people that came

661
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,239
Speaker 1: along just when Tom's were super hard, and they were

662
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: like put that in your pocket, you know, and that

663
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: got me through the next month or something, you know.

664
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: Or I would get a phone call from somebody that

665
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: was like, hey, come play the show im. I'll pay

666
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: you two thousand dollars, come play on the houseboat this weekend.

667
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, what really, just to sing songs? Hell, I'll

668
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 1: do that for a hundred dollars. That's a bad negotiation,

669
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: but fair um. To be inspired by something, What was

670
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: the first step you made that was a bit out

671
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: of your comfort zone? What was the first chance for

672
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: your parachuteope. I would say I was working construction. I

673
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: was in Coleman, Alabama, and I was shoveling grab on

674
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: the pipeline dish. I had this foreman named Steve Rich

675
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: and he was just a good dude, and I would

676
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: I brought my guitar a couple of times, and he

677
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: wanted to play songs for him. Stuff and he he

678
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: kept telling me, hey man, you need to do something.

679
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: I got tired of that job. I didn't like the

680
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: people who were over Steve, and they made it clear

681
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: they didn't like me either, but wouldn't fire me. So

682
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: I just I left and um. I went to my

683
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: buddy Brandon's dad, uh, Danny Davis at this company called

684
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: Pro Video Audio Productions that's in my wife's little hometown.

685
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: But they do like Thomas Tomcat, Trust Systems, Lights Sound.

686
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: They do these festivals around Kentucky and and the the

687
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: greater area of Kentucky. And I was just like, hey man,

688
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: I just want to be around music. Uh. I got

689
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: you know, willing hands and you know, send me strong back.

690
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: And he said, we'll be here in two weeks. And

691
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: I started throwing subs and speakers and lights and trailers

692
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: and going out. And then one night at a show,

693
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: our our monitor tech didn't like show up when he

694
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: was supposed to, and I had to just like jump

695
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: on board. And so that was like the first time

696
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: it is like somebody I did good that night, So

697
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: they let me continue to do more. And I only

698
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: ever worked with my hands, and they let me work

699
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: with my my mind and my hands for once, and

700
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: it was so rewarding. And it was cool too now

701
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: because I can go to a show and if I'm

702
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: working with a monitor, tack or something, I'll be like, hey, man,

703
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: pull a little five hundred out of my my vocal

704
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: or my guitar. And they always first they look at

705
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: me like this. It's just trying to tell me he

706
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: knows what frequencies. And I'm like, pull up the freaking

707
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: frequency test right now, let's go um. But it helps out,

708
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: It helps out a lot out on the road. But

709
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: that was definitely pro Video Audio Productions was the first

710
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: paarachute And then uh, I don't know, I'll go on

711
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: forever man, But when was it too? And have some

712
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: more water here because it's so cold and snowy outside

713
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: that we turned the heat up to ten thousand and

714
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: now we're all sweating our balls off. There's a fine line.

715
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: It was freezing in here, but hey, I shout out

716
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: to the heating system. Pretty good. When was the performance?

717
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: Parachute pulled? Um all the performance? Like the person you

718
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: are now as far as the singer songwriter, when was

719
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: the first big risk or the first shot that you

720
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: got And you're like, Okay, I think I want to

721
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: pursue this. I'm gonna go start playing these shows and

722
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: make the decision to go play a show and make

723
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: less money than possibly go and work, you know, your

724
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: your day to day job. I mean, uh, it all

725
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: and nothing ever really happened abruptly. It's all being kind

726
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: of such a process. But um, I would say the

727
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: big turning point in getting me to knuckle down and

728
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: do this. My buddy Matt that I told you about earlier,

729
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: been trying to get me to come to Nashville. And

730
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: I was just like, I was like, he wanted he

731
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: didn't want me. He wanted to know. He wanted me

732
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: to come down here and right he believed in me,

733
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: and he still he still does. But he just wanted

734
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: me to come down there and start writing with people.

735
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I just don't know. I

736
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 1: was listening to Steel Drivers and Sturgill Simpson and uh,

737
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, the Johnson Brothers, a lot of Chris Sable

738
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: and stuff, a lot of Air Church stuff, and uh

739
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: during that time, there was like this, there was this

740
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: sound that was prevalent in in country music, and it

741
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: seemed like everybody was trying to do this sound, and

742
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I just I don't know that

743
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: I have a place down there, you know. And then um,

744
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: the c M A performance. Uh what year was it?

745
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: Two done? Fifteen sixteen when uh Stapleton and timber Lake.

746
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: Man it was and uh that was that was a

747
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: huge moment. I think not only just for me, but

748
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: just for our genre that that was a huge moment

749
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: because you had such diversity on the stage together. You

750
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: had polar opposites almost, but it created something so cool.

751
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: And I think since then we've seen our genre become

752
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: so open to so many different sounds and takes on whatever. Uh,

753
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: you can be Dan and Shay, or you can be

754
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: ally Green. You know. It's um. So, right after that performance,

755
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: my phone rings and it's Matt and he's like, yo, buddy,

756
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: you reckon, It's time to go to Nashville now. And

757
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: I said, dude, there might have been some doors just open.

758
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: So the following Monday was my first time down here.

759
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: And uh, so what was your expectation of coming down

760
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: here versus the reality of what you got here? Oh? Man,

761
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: it was. It was awesome. I was like kid in

762
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: a candy store. Um. When we came down the first time,

763
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: I was like, I hadn't seen Nashville on so long.

764
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: So my first like came over the hill and was

765
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: like what hill has happened to? Nashville is huge? Um?

766
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: But it was like I was bright eye and bushy

767
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: tail man for for a long time and uh and

768
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: still feel that way from time to time, but you know,

769
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: it's there's been some some years where on that. How

770
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: do you tell you meet people though, Let's say your

771
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: first time in Nashville, Like what do you you walk

772
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: around the grocery store and be like, all right, I

773
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: need to let us send a friend right with, like

774
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: what do you do? Uh? Well, Matt helped out. He

775
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: introduced me to buddy his name Nick Columbia, who ended

776
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: up being a writer on My Boy later on. So

777
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: it's like my first friend in Nashville and then from

778
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: there just going to losers every day and it's like

779
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: it sounds funny like going to a bar, you know,

780
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: and three o'clock in afrinoon and stay until too. But

781
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: I did that for the first three months I was

782
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: in town and ended up meeting just about everybody that

783
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: I've well, I met everybody that I wrote My Boy

784
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: with there for sure, and uh that that song has

785
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: been the biggest driving force in in minding their careers

786
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: at this point. But yeah, dude, I'm I'm kind of Uh,

787
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: I seem very extroverted, but I'm I'm pretty introverted. I

788
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: like to be by myself or be at home a lot.

789
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: But when put in the situation, I can, I can

790
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: be the chameleon that I need to be. Um, I

791
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: enjoy like having a good time with with people. It's

792
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: just that, uh, if I prefer I'd like to be

793
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: at the cabin, you know, in the mountains. So you're

794
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: going to the bar, but you're going to the bar

795
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: to actually network. Were you at the bar drinking a lot?

796
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: Or you at the bar meeting a lot. I was

797
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: doing a little bit of both. Sometimes it was a

798
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: lot of drinking, sometimes it was a lot of meeting. Um,

799
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: it got to be a lot of drinking for a while.

800
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: And I told somebody the story here while back. But

801
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: the guy who who owns Losers, I don't know if

802
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: he just did this for everybody or but it seemed

803
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: like he liked me and my buddy and he would

804
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: always like buy me a shot when he seen me

805
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: if he was there and then I went back a

806
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: little while later, and you know, I hadn't been there

807
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: and quite a while, and he said, man, I ain't

808
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: seen you around here for a while. And I said, yeah, man,

809
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sorry. I've just been you know, keeping my

810
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: nose down and trying to write. And he said, that's good,

811
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: you know. And I always look back on that. It's

812
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: it's such a you know, small moment. But I just

813
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: thought it was cool that the guy that owned the

814
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: bar was just like recognize that, Hey, this is a

815
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: good place to be for certain things, but you know,

816
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: you don't need to be here all the time either.

817
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: So so when did you start to get a little

818
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: traction here, not as a successful artist, but as I'm

819
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: gonna write And then you start writing and I guess

820
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: people start to notice your songs as you gotta uh,

821
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, a pub deal here. I started just going

822
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: around and singing my boy at a lot of writers

823
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: rounds and some other songs that I had at the time,

824
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: and I met I met a few people, um, Lisa Johnson,

825
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: uh and R. J. Romeo and Lance Roberts. That was

826
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: like my original team. And Lisa knew a lot of

827
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: people in the Publishing World r J and uh Romeo

828
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: Entertainment Group. They do a lot of affairs and festivals

829
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 1: all over the United States. And then uh Lance Roberts

830
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: was with the United Talent Agency and um, they they

831
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: just started kind of taking me around and introducing me

832
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: to their friends, and I just, man, it was so

833
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: cool too too, because you you have this idea of

834
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: what it's like and what people were like in the industry,

835
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: and it seems like, uh, everybody's all proper and everything.

836
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: There's there's a bunch of freaking you know, just regular

837
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: country people and you know city folks. There's it's a

838
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: outon pot but it's good people. And I had that

839
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: same idea about about radio, going into like that nervousness

840
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: of like what are these people gonna be? Like, are

841
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: day uptight? Whatever? And it's it's been a good experience

842
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: there too. You had a goal of getting an outside cut.

843
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: Did you get an outside cut? Man, I've had a couple,

844
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: not on any major artists or anything yet. Um, I

845
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: would I would love to one day get one on

846
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: an on an artist, you know that, especially an artists

847
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: that I really enjoy listening to myself. But uh, it's

848
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: just as cool to just have somebody be like, you know, anybody,

849
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: but man, I love that song enough I want to

850
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: cut it. That's that's pretty awesome feeling. When did you

851
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: get management starting to either take meetings with you or

852
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: agree to come and listen to you? How did that

853
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: work out? Is that cool story? Um? We did everything

854
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: up to recording the County Roads EP without any management.

855
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: I had my my team, you know, so I hadn't

856
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: like my my brain trust of my group of people

857
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: who were smarter than me and knew what was going on.

858
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: But um, when I went to meet with John Lobo,

859
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: who's the head of my record label group, and play

860
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: him the songs, I was like, hey, man, I think

861
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: it's time for manager. And I said, why don't you

862
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: call Al Dean's guy? And he just started laughing. He's like,

863
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: hey man, you know Clarence ain't signing no no new artists.

864
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, he's a Kentucky boy. I

865
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: mean you could at least send him a freaking email,

866
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: you know. And so John was like, all right, dude,

867
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: I'll send it over. Well, Clarence messages me, emails me

868
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: like a few hours later, it just says, hey, this

869
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: is Clarence call me tomorrow at one one o'clock and

870
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: left my phone number and I was like, to the

871
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: point I call him the next day and uh he said, hey,

872
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: I told John Lobo ain't signing no more baby acts.

873
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: And I was like, this is going good, you know?

874
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: And uh he said, he sent me a few year songs.

875
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: You wanna come over here and hang out tomorrow for

876
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: a little bit. I went over there and talked to him,

877
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: and uh. I gave him a list of people that

878
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: I was interested in working with, maybe ten or twelve people,

879
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: and helped me narrow it down to like four or

880
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: five people. And I was like, hey man, I think

881
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: any of these people would make a great manager for you,

882
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: but if you decided to come over here, And I

883
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: was like, what you mean, what does that mean? You know?

884
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: He just said it so quick and a couple of

885
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: weeks the literally the next day is when they were like,

886
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: everybody go home, don't go anywhere, you know, so covid Yeah.

887
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: The next day, so two weeks later he calls me,

888
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: just chit chatting. And the next day I call him

889
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey man, I don't quite see how

890
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: anybody's gone or send my hill billy ass like somebody

891
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: from the same place where he said, were jump into

892
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: water together, and and we did. And then he paired

893
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: me up with a guy named Brian Wolf over there

894
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: at at Maverick, and uh, it's it's just been awesome

895
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 1: ever since then. Those guys have created so many opportunities

896
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: for me and and uh, they're just good, hard working people.

897
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: That whole team is. Yeah, Clarence, I'm pretty close to Clarence.

898
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: But and you it's funny that you mentioned al Dean,

899
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, Brooks and Dunne al Dean, somebody

900
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: screwed up the paperwork. Man. I don't know how I

901
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: got into that camp. But it's a it's a lot

902
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: of massive at Darius, you know, it's a lot of

903
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: massive acts. He does. He's the best. It It helps,

904
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: It helps to hold me accountable, like I know that

905
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: nobody why hey, I know how hard everybody there worse

906
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: than I know that. They're not gonna put up with

907
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: no no bullcrap, especially from some little baby artists like

908
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: me that's just showing up on the scene, you know.

909
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: So it definitely holds me accountable. And I want people,

910
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: I want anybody that I interact with or work with

911
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: two to be proud of what I'm giving to that relationship.

912
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: So it ain't always the case. But you you say

913
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: you grew up listening to a lot of nineties country

914
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: in the car with maybe your mom, Like, who who

915
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: are the artists that you listened to that You're like, man, like,

916
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: I love I love that artist and what they say, Man,

917
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: I loved I liked a lot of Dwight Yoko him,

918
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: a lot of Clint Black, Garth Brooks. Um. You know

919
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: Tim mcgrawl when he was when he was getting started.

920
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what what years was that when Tim

921
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: was first hitting started, was that later nineties. I mean,

922
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: it's weird that Tim mcgrawl was even in the nineties,

923
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, because he's still today's and

924
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: a lot of those acts from the nineties are considered

925
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: legacy acts now, but McGraw has never turned legacy. Yeah,

926
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: my girl is a badass man. He's he's been going

927
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: for a long time. I would assume, like though, really,

928
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, yeah, Indian Outlaw was ninety four. Wow,

929
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, Like, I remember listening, you know,

930
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: Little Rock was an hour away the big City. But

931
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: I remember listening to Kissing ninety six and Indian Outlaw

932
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: then Don't Take the Girl, and I was, you know,

933
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: fourteen years old, that's wild man. Yeah, he's had he's

934
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: he's definitely stayed relevant and and you know, had so

935
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: many changes in his life. And he's like I was

936
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: thinking of I was watching eighteen eighty three the other day,

937
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: and I was just like, man, I hope I am

938
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: half as bad as this dude is when I'm his

939
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: age and have achieved what he has, you know, and

940
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: still you know, with his his family and and you know,

941
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: I'm sure they've had their trials and tribulations, but like

942
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: everything seems very strong at the surface. Anyway. What about

943
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 1: classic Croc influence, Oh, dude, there's a lot. I mean,

944
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: it's Southern rock, classic Croc Heartland for the most I

945
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: loved like Tom Petty Melling Camp. I kind of put

946
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: Steve Earle in that in that world. He's kind of

947
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: country hard um. You know. Obviously there was a lot

948
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: of Southern rock influence to Leonard Skinnered, Uh, the Almond Brothers, Uh,

949
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: the band. My dad listened to that stuff predominantly, and uh,

950
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: I would like in the mornings, if you listen to

951
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: a song on my record called Sundays in the South

952
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: is literally how my Sundays went. On the morning in

953
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: the mornings, on the way to church, we go the

954
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: gas station. Get you who listened to, uh, you know country,

955
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: Nina's Country. Then after church the NASCAR race be on.

956
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: I get home. Dad would be working on you know

957
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: something out in the driveway of car trucks in my

958
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: and be playing you know, I think it's one oh

959
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: three point seven the point. It was like classic and

960
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: southern rock up in Bowling Green, and that was the

961
00:46:52,640 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: station he usually headed on there. I mean, that's what

962
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: I grew up on too. Was listening for me it

963
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: was cool ninety five. But my stepdad would always I mean,

964
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: it was classic rock all the time, and I knew

965
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: that as well. All I knew anything else if it

966
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: was country or you know, alternative at the time. But

967
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: we were together at Christmas a little bit because him

968
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: an I still have a relationship, and we were listening

969
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: to classic rock station and we played We used to

970
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: play this game when I was like thirteen. We'll be like,

971
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 1: all right, who's the band? And I would go, that's

972
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: bt O that named the year. You know, it was

973
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: just something that we did that kind of brought us

974
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: together with sports and music. And we were together in

975
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: his truck and we were going to eat and we're

976
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: listening to station, and it was like we started doing

977
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: it again, you know, and here we are, so many

978
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: years later, still got it. Nope, I've lost a little

979
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: bit of it because I'm not as quick. But it's

980
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: just funny how I'll put you back in that time again.

981
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: Just hearing those songs again, sitting beside him in the

982
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: truck as he was driving again, almost felt thirteen or

983
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: fourteen years old again. Yeah, it is really cool how

984
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: how music can do that for me. Those uh, that's

985
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: those you know, the We Moon Swamp record from nineties seven,

986
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: John Fogerty's solo record and Guitar Town record. Those those

987
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: two records are when I'm riding around my hometown, you know,

988
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: every now and then, I still gotta get out and

989
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: and do what teenage Elvi did, you know, right around

990
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: my go my circle and listen to those records, and

991
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: it really will. Music can really take you back and

992
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: make you because I mean, there's nothing different except for

993
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: what the inside of the car looks like these days

994
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: when you're out doing that righting around listening to that

995
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: same music, it's funny keep reversing, John Fourty. I'm a

996
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: massive John Fogerty fan BIGA and so that's the first

997
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: concert ever bought a ticket to myself, because my first

998
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: concert was Diamond Rio and Church took us, so I

999
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: didn't pay for that. But the first concert ever drove

1000
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: to him, bought a ticket to myself was John Fogerty

1001
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: and Little Rock. I bet that was awesome, And it

1002
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: was because of my stepdad, who was a massive credence

1003
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: Clearwater fans. Was this before after he uh started playing

1004
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: his his old CCR songs again because there was a

1005
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: there was a point in time where I guess he

1006
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: couldn't really play his own stuff and he had to

1007
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: He sued himself, sued his own band to I mean

1008
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: he had to sue himself basically. I started reading his

1009
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: bio and it was tough. I had I had to

1010
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: quit reading it because it was just there's there's just

1011
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: a lot of um and I don't know, it's just

1012
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: the dude's been through the wringer you yeah, over time.

1013
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: And his brother was in the band. Yeah, you know,

1014
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: they were both in CCR. He was they played some

1015
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: uh some some CCR stuff, but you know he was.

1016
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: He was playing in center field. He was playing a

1017
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: lot of the of his new stuff too. Um, but

1018
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: I was a big John Fogerty fan. I guess still am.

1019
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: I heard he's getting pretty up there. He getting pretty

1020
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: old now. Yeah, I would love to They say never

1021
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: meets your heroes, but uh, Steve Role definitely didn't disappoint.

1022
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: He's he's became somewhat of a fan or a friend,

1023
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: not fan friend. I hope he's a fan. Uh yeah,

1024
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: I've met him. Uh. I met him a couple of times. Um.

1025
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: Got to seem inducted into the Country Music Writer's Hall

1026
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: of Fame here while back. That was so awesome. Uh,

1027
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: Emmy Lou Harris came out and sang Pilgrim. It was

1028
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: so sick. But I got to write with him one time,

1029
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: me him and oh man, I mean I was I

1030
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: was pumped. I wasn't uh, I guess I wasn't like

1031
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: nervous or scared or anything, but uh but I was

1032
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: just so excited. I wanted to get something great. And

1033
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: what was really cool is I feel like, this guy

1034
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: has been writing my life, my whole life anyway. But

1035
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: we didn't finish the song, and then he sent me

1036
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: a second verse and uh, there's like something about a

1037
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: little boy and a little girl on the way and

1038
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: then something about driving these county roads. And I was like,

1039
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: dude that I was like, and but he's like an encyclopedia. Man.

1040
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: It's so cool to to talk to him and write

1041
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: with him because for twenty minutes you'll you'll talk about

1042
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, music history or culture history or something that

1043
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: you know that see's interested in. Um, and then you

1044
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: write for a couple of minutes and then you talk

1045
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: about stuff again. So get an education with Yeah, man,

1046
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to doing again. We were supposed to

1047
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: do it h the second two days ago, and um,

1048
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: I ended up having like I got COVID back before Christmas,

1049
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: and then I guess somebody in their camp got COVID

1050
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: and he just didn't want to, uh, you know, risk it.

1051
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: So whenever you cut my boy, did you have that

1052
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: song recorded before you got a record deal? You started

1053
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: talking about singing it? Is that what kind of got

1054
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: you a deal? That song? That song is exactly what

1055
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: got me a deal. Um, John and and Carson over

1056
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: at the label, they say that's the only reason they

1057
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: signed me. And I thought I had a whole record

1058
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: at the time. Um. But shortly after signing they were like,

1059
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: we feel like he only got one song. I'm like, like,

1060
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: you're fullishh it um. But uh but they were right,

1061
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: But no, I recorded that song several times, man. I

1062
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: I spent I got a really good like advance sign

1063
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: on Bonus for my first publishing deal, and um, I

1064
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,959
Speaker 1: spent every bit of that money on recordings for my boy.

1065
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: The recording that you guys played on the radio was

1066
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: I think the seventh or eighth version of that song.

1067
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: Why did you keep you recording it? It just wasn't right, man,

1068
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: And uh, it just didn't make me feel like it

1069
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: felt when I played at Acoustic and the second to

1070
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: last time, I didn't really like it. My producer was

1071
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: pumped about it. Um, it's it was cool, you know,

1072
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: it's I being cool. But I went and played. I

1073
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: picked up John Loebo at the at the label. I

1074
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: was like, hey, man, I got these first three songs done.

1075
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: Let's go right around in my Mustang and listen. And uh,

1076
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: we're coming down the music grow, and he's listened to

1077
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: I Think County Roads and my Mississippi or Nose County

1078
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: Roads and Saturday Night Me and we get to my

1079
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: boy and I'm watching him and he's just kind of

1080
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: like mm hmm. And the song goes off and he's like, uh, man,

1081
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: I think I'm in demo love and I like curbed

1082
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: my car and it was like, get out of my car. Man.

1083
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: He's like, what do you mean. I said, no, I'm

1084
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: just kidding. I said, I feel the same way, dude,

1085
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: and I said, he said, you know. He just looked

1086
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: at me. It's like, you know, if it's right, man,

1087
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: go in the studio and make you right. And I

1088
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: fought and fought and fought with with people in the

1089
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: recording process about it being acoustic in the beginning, and

1090
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: every was like, I ain't gonna work at radio. It

1091
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: ain't gonna work at radio. And I was like, I

1092
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: don't care. I gotta feel what what I feel, you know,

1093
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: regardless of what radio is gonna do with this song,

1094
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna relate to people. They gotta feel it right.

1095
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: And so Lee Star, who's another writer on the song,

1096
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 1: came in and had this guitar part, and I said, dude,

1097
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: just go in there and record it. You know. This

1098
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: was weeks after we had cut it with the studio band,

1099
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: so that was like the eighth recording, and then we

1100
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: ended up going and doing the My Girl version two.

1101
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: So did you feel like the song wasn't going to

1102
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: hit ever? Like? Was there a time or a couple

1103
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: of times where it stalled and You're like, I don't, man,

1104
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: I thought we had it, but we don't. Yeah, man,

1105
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: there's there's been like so many there goes my fifteen

1106
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: Minutes of fame. Uh. It blew up on Facebook the

1107
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: year before I signed my record deal, which led to

1108
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, getting some attention around town and helped with

1109
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: the record deal. But uh, it was six million views

1110
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: in like two weeks. The only thing I'd ever put

1111
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: on the internet that went over a few thousand views.

1112
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: So I uh, I'm all excited. We're all excited, and

1113
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: then Facebook just pulls the video and we're like, we're

1114
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: reaching out to him. My book and age were like,

1115
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: what happened? No answer, So there was no nothing. It

1116
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: was still going up like a hundred thousand views an hour.

1117
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: It was. It was just really starting to take off.

1118
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: So then I was like, well that sucks. Well, then

1119
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: I signed my deal and the last thing you want

1120
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: to do when you sign a record deal is to

1121
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: be the guy that gets shelved, you know. But but

1122
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm so thankful for that. At this point, I didn't

1123
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: get shelf. They just said, you know, you don't have

1124
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: it all put together, yet you have this one thing.

1125
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: And as much as I disagreed in the beginning, like

1126
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: they were, they were so right. And there's not a

1127
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: single song off this record that was written before my

1128
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: record deal except for my boy and uh, but I

1129
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: don't know, man, the all this was just it was crazy.

1130
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: I didn't really find myself until after signing my record deal.

1131
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: When when that thing starts to be top ten or so?

1132
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean, did it start to feel like we have

1133
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: not only a monster like that's affecting people, but I mean,

1134
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: this thing is actually like really gaining traction commercially. It

1135
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: was cool. I didn't. I opted out of the emails

1136
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 1: every week and everything, like I didn't want to be

1137
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: the I was like, slit, someone do what's gonna do.

1138
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna worry about it. I'm gonna go out here.

1139
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be good to people. I'm I'm gonna meet

1140
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: people at radio when we get a chance, because we're

1141
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: having to do all this weird stuff. But when it

1142
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: got to top ten, we're looking at the charts and

1143
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: it's like, man like, steady chart flow. It looks like

1144
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna be good to go. And then what do

1145
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, here comes Jason Audeen and Carrie Underwood and

1146
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: and then here comes uh Maren and Ryan and then

1147
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: here comes Walker Hayes and I'm just like Jesus Christ,

1148
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: what is going on? Man? Like, there's three huge songs

1149
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: that are just and then I mean, the Walker has

1150
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: thing that was crazy. But I've I've been a fan

1151
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: of Walkers for a while. He's always been He's always

1152
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: been really different. And uh, one of my favorite songs, like,

1153
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: one of my favorite songs is that Halloween song of his.

1154
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: It's so sick, such a such a really cool song.

1155
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: If you if you're watching this you haven't heard it,

1156
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: go check it out. Um, but I saw a Walker

1157
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 1: right when all that stuff was going on. We played, uh,

1158
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: golf and guitars or something over in Oregon, and Uh,

1159
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: I was just like, dude, I don't know you really,

1160
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: but I just want, you know, let you know, I'm

1161
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: proud of you. I've seen I've seen it and heard

1162
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 1: of you grounding for years. And I know some people

1163
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: in this camp and stuff, but but then you know

1164
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: Al Dean, you know, he's my label mate, my management mate. Everything.

1165
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: I was just like, Jesus, is this gonna hurt me

1166
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: or help me? You got it though you rang the bell?

1167
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: We got it, man, we got it, and uh yeah,

1168
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: it's just uh it was a cool win. It was

1169
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: for me man, I'm the thought of me having a

1170
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: number one was like, hell, yeah, that's awesome. But I

1171
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: just wanted to see the song win. I didn't care

1172
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: who was seeing it. Was just like I wanted and

1173
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: not not to be down on it, but everybody, you know,

1174
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: everybody knows how it all words, and like sometimes those

1175
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: songs they just don't make it, they don't cut through

1176
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: the noise, and and I was I was just gonna

1177
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 1: be so disappointed if that song didn't get it spot

1178
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: And I felt like the years and the and the

1179
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: faith that I've had in my co writers, my team,

1180
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: I was like, I just didn't want to see it fail.

1181
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: So thanks to everybody for not letting us fall. What's

1182
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: the next single? Do you guys have? Is it announced you?

1183
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: We haven't announced it, but I'll tell you. I mean,

1184
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: you don't have to if you don't want to. I

1185
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: didn't know. Well, I'll put it this way. There's uh.

1186
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: I talked a lot about the road in my life

1187
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: in general, and we're gonna try to get some people

1188
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: some speeding tickets over in the next hopefully let's cut

1189
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: it down to Can we cut it down to twenty

1190
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: weeks this time? Like, listen, you're really asking for a man.

1191
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: You want to do it in twenty weeks? Come boy, man,

1192
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: do we gotta go? Do we gotta go a whole

1193
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: year this time? Let's see, let's see cut your roads?

1194
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: Oh you did it all right, Let's fight. Somebody go

1195
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: get some gloves. I mean we're not saying this is it,

1196
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: but here, Mike, I know you've practiced boxing, but listen

1197
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: to this really closet County roads. County roads. Everybody says

1198
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: country roads, and I'm like, I'm like dud John denver

1199
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: head that one country roads too. You did? Wow? That's

1200
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: crazy marketing nightmare, you guys, get it right, Come on,

1201
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: county roads. I'm literally looking right at it and said

1202
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: country roads. Yeah, I get it, man, I mean we're

1203
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: it's country music. You see, you don't you know that

1204
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: R doesn't really stick out to you. That's wild and

1205
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: and even like people literally listen to it and the

1206
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: world the last words county roads and they still go

1207
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: to country Like, Man, that was country roads. But I

1208
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: was saying county county. I will mess that up again.

1209
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: But I mean I'm looking right at it and still

1210
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: said it. So there's something to that. As we've been

1211
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: talking about country music, like, it's in my brain to

1212
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: say country roads and we couldn't say country roads, but

1213
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: that just seemed to clear shay to me. County county

1214
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: roads seems more relatable. So you don't want to name

1215
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: a country roads, Well, it's John Denver man boy names, sue.

1216
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta stay away from the the classic names.

1217
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: John Denver do one of my favorite stories in country music.

1218
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: I think it was a c m A Awards Charlie

1219
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: Rich he opens it up and John Denver friend lights

1220
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: it on fire. Yeah. I want to get a tattoo

1221
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: of him doing that so bad. I thought that was

1222
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: so baller. Let me let me mention this because I

1223
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: want to get a little promo here for you too.

1224
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: Come on my kind of Trouble tour. You're doing show

1225
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: starting in February, so next month you and Frank Raader

1226
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: on the road. Right, speaking of country and County, I

1227
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: bet people call you Elvis or like I bet you

1228
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: that that's mixed up to a lot, right, LB. People

1229
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: think I'll say LB. I don't know if it's just

1230
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: goes to my action or whatever. LB, elba, Elva, Elvis.

1231
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: I get, I get all of them. I get Bobby

1232
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: Jones a lot. Bobby Jones, I was doing. Uh. I

1233
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: hosted the New Year's Eve show on CV yes, like

1234
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: a few days ago, and on the Bowl games that morning,

1235
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: Brad Nestlers, you know, in the middle of a game.

1236
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: All right, be sure to watch tonight Bobby Jones host this.

1237
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: I mean it happens all the time. So I'm imagining

1238
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: with the name and you're you're your real last names

1239
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: Esther Is that right? See? That's a mess up? Two,

1240
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: it's E S T E L L. How would you

1241
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: say it? E S T E L L. Still see.

1242
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: And this is the debate my wife and I have

1243
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: because she likes to for it to be said Estell,

1244
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: so she says it that way, that's how it's spelled.

1245
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: But where I'm from in Arkansas, Yeah, it's definitely funny

1246
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: that you said, because that's how it is. That's that's

1247
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: what my family always called it. So LV Shane dot

1248
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: Com all the the dates are up there everywhere from

1249
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: chattanoog Get to Charlotte. I'm just gonna read down them. Greenville, Indianapolis, Louisville, Cincinnati, Lexington, Warrendale, Pennsylvania, Chicago, Springfield,

1250
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: Little Rock, Birmingham, Macon, and Nashville, Tennessee. So you're gonna

1251
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: go and do a bunch of shows, which is pretty siding. Man,

1252
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm pumped. And we were adding everybody likes to compare

1253
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,439
Speaker 1: me to Church all the time anyway, So I got

1254
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: me a real genny when Joanna Cotton coming out on

1255
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: a row with us for some of these, it's not

1256
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: actually her, but Jenna McClellan, who uh saying backgrounds on

1257
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: Saturday Night me on the record. Uh, she just it's

1258
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: hard to find somebody seeing harmonies with me. Man, I

1259
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: guess tenor rains or whatever. And uh, she's she's gonna

1260
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: bring some really cool energy to the to the stage

1261
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: with the Broken Arrows, my band. I'm just so pumped

1262
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: to get out there and and do this hard ticket thing. Man.

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Speaker 1: I want to I want to build this down. It's okay, man.

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Speaker 1: If if it doesn't go great this time, then we'll

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Speaker 1: just keep going. Man. I've I've got faith in my band.

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Speaker 1: I've got faith in my my co writers and and

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Speaker 1: and everything to uh to get this stuff out there

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Speaker 1: and and get people latched on. So let's go to

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Speaker 1: read for one question? All right, reads at the beginning

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Speaker 1: of that talking about how put you on the spot.

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Speaker 1: What's your one question for elv Shane? Okay, Um, let's see.

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Speaker 1: Take a deep breath, all right, I didn't drink coffee

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Speaker 1: this time. Lord, a little bit better? All right, here

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Speaker 1: we go. Um, eventually, Mike, he's gonna know. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: come to him, right because I know you would think

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Speaker 1: because he sa he lives flustered. Go ahead, read well

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Speaker 1: the thing with Keith Herb and my dad was listening

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Speaker 1: to and he was like, you went that whole time

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Speaker 1: He did not even ask a question. You just talked

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Speaker 1: about random stuff. So I'm gonna ask a question this time. Um,

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Speaker 1: when you write music, are you more of a lyrics

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Speaker 1: first guy or UM melody guy. Depend Man, I think

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Speaker 1: it's it's different. It's different all the time. UM, I

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Speaker 1: definitely know how I say things. So sometimes there's someone

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Speaker 1: who's on fire in the room with with lyrics and

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Speaker 1: and I just tried to adjust the cool things they're

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Speaker 1: saying to be more my language. UM. Sometimes I'm a

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Speaker 1: guitar part guy, you know, very seldomly but sometimes a

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Speaker 1: guitar part guy, sometimes a lyric guy, sometimes a melody guy.

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Speaker 1: I've kind of fallen into this. I feel like there's

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Speaker 1: a there's an originality developing in uh some of the uh,

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Speaker 1: the cadence and stuff in my melodies, and uh I've

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Speaker 1: been excited to hear some of those kind of come

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Speaker 1: to life, like uh, rocket Science song on the record

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Speaker 1: right now. I really love that song, just the the

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Speaker 1: flow of the melody and everything. So UH, I would

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Speaker 1: like to say that I'm fairly diverse. I just try

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Speaker 1: to uh, let whoever is on fire in the room

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Speaker 1: be on fire in the room and go from there.

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Speaker 1: Some of these songs that I don't have finished song

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Speaker 1: in three hours, man, I hate doing that. If we're

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Speaker 1: on a great idea, let's get let's get it going somewhere.

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Speaker 1: And rocket Science we took two years, right and which

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Speaker 1: is ironic with the name of it being rocket science,

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Speaker 1: but you know we met up several times. So anyways,

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Speaker 1: I figured just because of uh you're saying you did

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Speaker 1: poetry and stuff like that, you would have a lot

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Speaker 1: more emphasis on the lyrics side of things. Is that

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Speaker 1: from you like listening to your music? Uh, your words

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Speaker 1: are very like descriptive and yeah, I mean I uh

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Speaker 1: like uh Sundays in the South. You know that song

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Speaker 1: I had half written, went into the right with that one.

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Speaker 1: Uh finished the miles. You know. Sometimes I'll go off

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Speaker 1: by myself and finish. It's hard for me sometimes in

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Speaker 1: the room to uh to be able to get the

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Speaker 1: stuff out the right way. Sometimes I gotta get in

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Speaker 1: the right headspace. I gotta be by myself, and sometimes

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Speaker 1: I need a little bit of a buzz, you know

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Speaker 1: or whatever. But yeah, good luck. I'll bet on the road. Man,

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Speaker 1: hey man, thank you, thank you for having me. This

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Speaker 1: is uh, this is awesome and uh, dude, I wish

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Speaker 1: so bad that my wife could have made it. She's

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Speaker 1: she has been a She turned me onto the show

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Speaker 1: early in our in our marriage and she's been a

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Speaker 1: big fan of the show for a long time. Uh,

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Speaker 1: she's actually I think she talked to you one time

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Speaker 1: on the phone y'all were doing she's the one, she's

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Speaker 1: the one from from us. What was the town in

1329
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: Kentucky Summer says, she's the one from You didn't need

1330
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Speaker 1: she you don't need to call her back up. We

1331
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: can get a couple of hundred bucks. But you know,

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Speaker 1: you guys are doing a stunt where there was an

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Speaker 1: uber driver and you were gonna like do something to

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Speaker 1: the uber driver and a gagement ring or something, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it was Eddie or we were

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Speaker 1: seeing up the uber driver would propose for somebody else,

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Speaker 1: like you have to ring across town. She pulls up

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Speaker 1: and she sees him and she's like, oh no, and

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Speaker 1: they whoever was opened the door and she was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm listening to the show. Wait, she was the one

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Speaker 1: that was Yeah that's funny. Yeah, that's a small world.

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Speaker 1: All right. Hey, good to talk to you, man, big

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Speaker 1: fancy buddy, Thank you so much, really big fan you guys.

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Speaker 1: LB Shane dot com backslider. Uh the name of I'm

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Speaker 1: saying the record name, right, Backslider from I'm going from

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Speaker 1: memory here, so good do I appreciate it? Backsliders the

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Speaker 1: name of the record, and uh, you guys go see

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Speaker 1: a show. If he's around LB Shane, come see me.

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Speaker 1: There you go.