1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: All right, joining us now on foul territories. Mike Siroco 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: back with US on FT and now with a new uniform, 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: the Arizona Diamondbacks freshly sided, Mike. Great to have you on, 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: big smile, as it should be. We can change been 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: for you. Good to see you in congrats. 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. It's good to see you guys too. 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: What's up KP. 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 3: Hey are we coming from Alberta right now? 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 2: No? No, I'm still home in Scottsdale. I'm actually heading 10 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: home to Calgary tonight though, so I'll be home for 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 2: Christmas and then come back down. 12 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 3: Hey. What an absolute dream scenario within now that you're 13 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 3: living in Scottsdale playing for the Diamondbacks. How much did 14 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 3: that factor into this decision? 15 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,319 Speaker 2: Yeah? Obviously, I mean, I mean, you know, you lived here. 16 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 2: It's something that if you get a chance to do, 17 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: I think everybody loves it. You know, it's something that 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: you don't necessarily think is going to happen. They take 19 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: your fifty to fifty that you get to be here 20 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: in extra six weeks, but getting to be here and 21 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: with the club that I think you know still has 22 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: a chance to make the playoffs and make a good 23 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 2: run for it. I mean, you saw them in twenty 24 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: three that what that club did, and I think that's 25 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: still there. So I think getting a chance to join 26 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: an org like this too, and and be able to 27 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 2: live at home is pretty special. 28 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 4: All Right, I'm totally gonna ruin it. We're supposed to 29 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 4: keep on track here and you're gonna talk about the Diamondbacks. 30 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 4: But you said, you said Alberta and Calgary, and we 31 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 4: just talked about South Dakota and North Dakota and how like, Oh, 32 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 4: it's like, man, it's you can't say I'm from South 33 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 4: Dakota when I'm from North Dakota. Like I played in 34 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 4: Medicine Hat Alberta. If I said, if I said med 35 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 4: Hat to you and you said Calgary is better, would 36 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 4: that make people from med Hat pissed off? Because oh, 37 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 4: you know, the big city, you're not really a country 38 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 4: guy all that stuff. Like, is that is that a 39 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 4: legitimate statement? 40 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: No? I think they know it's better. I mean it's yeah. 41 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: I mean I've been down to med Haat enough. You know, 42 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 2: it's a good little small town. And I think you know, 43 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: Mike Frost had actually the head trainer for the Angels 44 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: KP knows pretty well too, and he was in Toronto 45 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: for a lot of years. He actually lives just outside 46 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 2: of Manhat in a little town called Redcliffe, so i'd 47 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 2: give him years sometimes too, but he grew up in Calgary. 48 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: He knows all right. 49 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 3: Why we're off the track real quick. This North Dakota 50 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 3: South Dakota thing. Would it be similar to be? Like, 51 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: is there like a little rivalry between Alberta and like Saskatchewan, 52 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: Like would that be a better comparison? Would you guys 53 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 3: like be offended if someone was like, oh, Alberta is 54 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 3: better than Saskatchewan or vice versa. 55 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: No, I think there. If there's any rivalry, it's probably 56 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: just east to west in Canada. To be honest with you, 57 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 2: I think, you know, maybe a little less so with 58 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: Alberta and BC because you know, politically they're quite different. 59 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: But as far as Alberta Sasketchwan, I think it's pretty similar. 60 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: And then Manitoba I'm not too sure of. But yeah, 61 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: East to West Canada definitely has their issues, so that's 62 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: that's probably where they sit. 63 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 4: I'm gonna triple and double down on this off the 64 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 4: tracks thing because this is something in baseball people find 65 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 4: out somebody's from Canada and they go, oh, yeah, well. 66 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 5: You know, do you know my buddy felipa Mont You know, 67 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 5: he's from Canada, he played baseball, And you're like, do 68 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 5: you realize that Canada is like ginormous and everybody thinks 69 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 5: that everybody knows everybody? 70 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 4: So how many times has that happened to you? Where 71 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 4: somebody oh, yeah, you know my buddy he played in Canada. 72 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 5: Do you know him? 73 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I do know Philip. Well that's a 74 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: bad example. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, no, quite a bit. 75 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 5: You know. 76 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: The question that I get a lot that I just 77 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: don't quite understand is if I've moved my family down here, 78 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: And that's kind of like that's one that gets me 79 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 2: because I'm like, you don't understand, like Calgary's not I'm 80 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: not coming from like the Dominican you know what I mean, 81 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: Like this isn't I don't worry about their safety. You know, 82 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: they're they're more than happy up there. I think it's 83 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: probably somewhere that I can't imagine, at least not having 84 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: a partial residence after I'm done playing. You know, it's 85 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: still always going to be home and still a very 86 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 2: beautiful place. So it's also, Yeah, I think we're getting 87 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 2: close to like two million people too, so it's not 88 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:31,679 Speaker 2: a small place. 89 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 3: All right. I'm gonna get us back on track here, Mikey, 90 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: we played together in twenty twenty three. You were coming 91 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 3: back from injury. You kind of got your feet wet 92 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: pitching on a big league mound. I remember how emotional 93 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 3: you were leaving the mound that day. But I want 94 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: to go back to twenty nineteen, one hundred and seventy 95 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 3: four innings pitch All Star. How do we get back 96 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 3: to that. You feel like you're close, and I know 97 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 3: how hard you work. So obviously you had the Achilles 98 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 3: the Achilles like, that's a lot to come back from. 99 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 3: But we're a couple of years removed. 100 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: Now. 101 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: Do we feel like you're trending back to that twenty 102 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 3: nineteen version. 103 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: I do, yeah. I think doing some of the things 104 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: that I did really well back then were a lot 105 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 2: of the competitive mental game over anything else. I think 106 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 2: it just came down to executing at a higher rate. 107 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: I think the game has changed even the last six 108 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: seven years, and I know you know that too, And 109 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: there's certain things that I had to learn to be 110 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 2: able to stay out there and certain things that I 111 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: think have definitely helped. I think there's no question from 112 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: top to bottom my stuff is as good. I think, 113 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: actually quite a bit better than it's ever been. I 114 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: don't think there's a dispute in that manner. It's just 115 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: about again being out there and making the big pitches 116 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 2: when they matter. That's ultimately where I missed this past 117 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: year was you know, not being out there for a 118 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: couple of months and then just missing that double play 119 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 2: ball or that big strikeout in the sixth inning to 120 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: get out of a jam. And you know, multiple times 121 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 2: I got a bit later on, and it wasn't necessarily 122 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: with a ton of damage. It'd be with a you know, 123 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: a double down the line that scored to two runs 124 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: and turn your outing from six innings two runs to 125 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: five and two thirds with four And that's a big gap, right, 126 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: And that's where I think I did such a really 127 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: good job back then, was just nutting up and making 128 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 2: a pitch. I mean, it's really what it is. It's 129 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: it's you're going to end up in jams, and it 130 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: was a matter of getting out. And I think a 131 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 2: lot of people today can look at those stats and 132 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: say there was luck involved, and you know, maybe to 133 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: a certain extent, but if you execute pitches at a 134 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: high rate, good things happen. And yeah, I think there's 135 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: a lot of things that I'm getting better at with 136 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: so far as repertoire. I think I've added a couple 137 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 2: pitches as well for this coming year that I'm going 138 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 2: to be really big to protect, you know, the two 139 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 2: ultimate the four team and the curveball, slurve whatever you 140 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 2: want to call it. So I think there's a lot 141 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: of good things moving forward. Some things with some internal 142 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: medicine stuff that we don't really need to get into, 143 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: but some stuff that came to like this past year 144 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: that I think had been really holding me back for 145 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: a long long time and just didn't really realize it. 146 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: And I'm excited to get to play a full season 147 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: without that dragging me down. 148 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 4: I love hearing that stuff, like little things that make 149 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 4: a big difference. That's the difference in dudes that keep 150 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 4: playing and keep you know, getting back to where they were. 151 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 4: But I got to go back to what you said, 152 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 4: I'm better than I ever was. We do a thing 153 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 4: on here, we'll see it, you'll see it over Christmas. 154 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 4: How good were they you're twenty nineteen, Like people need 155 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 4: to go back and look at it. We see your 156 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 4: trophies in the background of your All Star Game, the 157 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 4: you know, the Cleveland guitar, the Rock and Roll Museum 158 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 4: that they gave you. You were ridiculous you had that. 159 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 4: Like the pitch you would throw to get out of 160 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 4: any situation is not necessarily your predominant pitch anymore, am 161 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 4: I correct? Like you would throw that, you would throw. 162 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 4: You would probably call it similar, but you would throw 163 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 4: just the disappearing I'm gonna throw this pitch and you're 164 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 4: not gonna hit it anywhere but into a double play. 165 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 4: And now your strikeout level is up. So you're saying 166 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 4: your stuff is better now because of how you throw 167 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 4: these pitches differently in the new era of this game. 168 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt, I think it's it's I mean, 169 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: just knowing the way I throw and the way i'd been, 170 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 2: you know back then, in the way it felt there's 171 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: more life on everything, everything is, you know, movement is up. 172 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: It's really coming down to command. I think, you know, 173 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 2: I got away with with the sinker for a while 174 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: because the angle was different. If you're really up and 175 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 2: over the top kind of actually not too dissimilar to 176 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 2: the way your Savage was throwing. I think if you 177 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: go and look at the Baseball Savant page, you'll see 178 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: the arm angle shift over the last couple of years. 179 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: And you know, people can debate whether that's good, bad, whatever, 180 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: but ultimately I think I'm throwing in a manner that's 181 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: been much healthier. You know, even back then, I wasn't 182 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 2: necessarily without problems. I was out there and managed to 183 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 2: throw a year, but it wasn't exactly smooth, and I 184 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: think you guys know that that's you know, never how 185 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: it is. But WAS still managed to get out there. 186 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: And I think one of the reasons I was I 187 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: was doing that because it was just age right. I 188 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 2: was twenty one and managed to kind of gut it out. 189 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 2: But there was some things that we're adding up. Obviously. 190 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 2: The Achilles was that you know, hadn't been good for 191 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 2: a couple of years before it actually went and there 192 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: was definitely some changes that I needed to make. Now. 193 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: It took me time to make those changes. I think, 194 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 2: you know, KP saw that in twenty three and then 195 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: in twenty four, and it wasn't really until I got 196 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 2: really stubborn with those changes and said, screw it, we're 197 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: going to lean into it, and we're going to lean 198 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: into what I'm doing better now. And yeah, obviously the 199 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 2: stuff that people look at, the whiff rates and k 200 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: R it's all great. But when it came back to 201 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: being in zone and executing in big counts, I think, 202 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: to be honest with you, was always the breaking ball. 203 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: I think if you look at what got me out 204 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 2: of the most jams and what got me out of situations, 205 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: it was probably my breaking ball. I've I've always leaned 206 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 2: on that my whole life, you know, I've always been 207 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: able to spin it, no matter what the profile was. 208 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: And I think if you look at opponent averages and 209 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 2: really what did it for me back then, it was 210 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: the off speed. So I think, yes, guys, we're probably 211 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: worried about the sinker, and that's that's something that they 212 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: had to go down and get and that's why they 213 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 2: were following the breaking ball down there as well. But 214 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: I think now I'm at the place and I have 215 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: learned from enough people, especially you know, a couple over 216 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,599 Speaker 2: the past this this past season with Sean Doolittle and 217 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 2: Tyler Zambro with the Cubs all the different things that 218 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: I'm able to do and again add pitches and and 219 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: give different looks. And I think this next year is 220 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: going to be much more about pitching again, not just 221 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 2: learn how to have better stuff, if that makes sense. 222 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: So we're going to be able to take it and 223 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 2: kind of go back to the way that you know, 224 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: I was able to just be stubborn and realize that 225 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: I'm better than whoever's at the plate, and you know, 226 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: let's go, let's let's let's try and make the manager's 227 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: decision really tough in the seventh and eighth inning as 228 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: opposed to the fifth and sixth. 229 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, you kind of stole my question here, you know, 230 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 3: referring to do little and stuff. But I was going 231 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 3: to ask you some of these changes that you made, 232 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 3: ultimately you had to make the decision to make them. 233 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 3: You can be a little bit stubborn, But I was 234 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 3: going to ask you if it was coach driven, was 235 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 3: it peer driven from some of the guys that you 236 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 3: had played with. And then, without kind of going into 237 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 3: detail about your internal health, was that something that was 238 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 3: maybe encouraged by a player, something you did research on 239 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 3: your own, You seeked out a doctor on your own, 240 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 3: or was it a conversation with a staff member or 241 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 3: maybe even a player that kind of led you down 242 00:11:59,240 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 3: that road. 243 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, first was the delivery. I 244 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: changed the delivery, and that was ultimately through Bob Guys 245 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 2: in Utah. I did a ton of learning from him. 246 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: You know, I'm glad I did, because I do think 247 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: he's one of the best sources around for actually just 248 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: raw data and what actually happens. There's no opinions involved, 249 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: it's all just this is what you're doing, this is 250 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 2: what the greats did. You can take what you want 251 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: with it and move from there and just kind of 252 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: learning how to move. But you know, being stubborn with 253 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,599 Speaker 2: some of those changes was difficult and really understanding what 254 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: they what they meant. And then this past year really 255 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: just finally settling into that and not really having to 256 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: worry too much about all that anymore, and kind of 257 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: back to the pitch design. And that's where you know, 258 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: I mentioned with Doolittle, we were able to work on 259 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 2: some stuff as far as command and the site points 260 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 2: go with the fastball. Obviously, he was probably one of 261 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: the first guys in our new era that was throwing 262 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: the the super ride ball. With the low angle, you know, 263 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 2: and and he was kind of able to help with 264 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: a lot of that stuff. And Tyler Zombro was able 265 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,599 Speaker 2: to kind of piggyback on that and and give me 266 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: a good idea of how to you know, make the 267 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,599 Speaker 2: ball move in any direction I wanted really, So you know, 268 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: it's all stuff that I think is going to be 269 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: extremely useful going forward. But yeah, the health stuff, I 270 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: got to a pretty rough place in spring this past year. 271 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: I was not feeling really good and I kind of 272 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 2: felt like I had the flu all the time and 273 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: was kind of just stubborn with with understanding that something 274 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 2: was not right. And so we were able to kind 275 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: of narrow some things down, do a whole bunch of 276 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: blood work, and you know, I went out there at 277 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: the beginning of the year and kind of felt like 278 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: a zombie a little bit and was just kind of 279 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 2: gutting it out. But by the time things got figured 280 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: out and we got everything in the right place, and 281 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: you know, found found the right doctors to be able 282 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 2: to help with treatment, and again, I was a different 283 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 2: human by the end of the year and have been 284 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 2: this offseason. So you know, I at one point i'd 285 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: lost a whole bunch of weight, and I was looking 286 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: at a little frail and put all that weight back on, 287 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 2: and I think we're in a really good place moving forward. 288 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: So I'm really excited to play without that, you know, 289 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 2: without that monkey. 290 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 4: I went back, can you walk through the contract negotiations 291 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 4: with us in the sense of they are basically signing 292 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 4: you up for seven and a half million dollars when 293 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 4: you're looking at other starting pitchers who are getting fifteen 294 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 4: for an old veteran, which, by the way, everybody needs 295 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 4: to know, you're still twenty seven years old, So I 296 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 4: think you're still twenty seven unless you just turned twenty eight. 297 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 4: You just turned twenty eight, sorry, twenty eight a few 298 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 4: months ago, but you're still young. How do those negotiations go? 299 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 4: And did they go the same way you thought they 300 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 4: would go going into this offseason and one of the 301 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 4: teams we're in on you and in on your services. 302 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: So I mean again, it was it was a little 303 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: easier than the previous year. I think, you know, there 304 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: was a lot more unknown in the previous year because 305 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: I was in the bullpen, and you know, there was 306 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: just a whole bunch of changes being made. But this year, 307 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: I felt as comfortable as ever that this is a 308 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: year that I need to be able to bet on things. 309 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: So ultimately that the total dollar didn't necessarily matter when 310 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: it really came down to it was about finding the 311 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: right situation for me and finding the place that I 312 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: could really thrive. And you know, I think had we 313 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: kind of opened it up and said, okay, We're we're 314 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: all right being a swingman. I'm okay with the possibilities, 315 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: you know, only being in the rotation if guys really 316 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 2: get hurt. But I think for me moving forward, kind 317 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: of having explained the things I just did with you know, 318 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: the pitch stuff and as well as the health stuff, 319 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: I think this is a year that I need to 320 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 2: be able to go out there and prove to myself, 321 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: not just everybody else, that you know, I can go 322 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 2: out there and throw one hundred and eighty innings. Again. 323 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: I think that's that's something that I'm still very capable of. Again, 324 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: I have age on my side, and I'm very lucky 325 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: for that. But again, I think this was about getting 326 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: to the right scenario and not really waiting on it. 327 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: That's ultimately what we found too, is that I'm comfortable 328 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: not taking the security, even if it meant you know, 329 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 2: getting another year or two, you know, with a swingman role. Again, 330 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: this is something that I want to do and I 331 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 2: feel very convicted in and I'm very excited to be 332 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 2: given the opportunity to do so. 333 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 4: Was there a larger contracts available to be a swingman, 334 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 4: to be that like, ooh, I want a Swiss Army knife, 335 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 4: Mike Soroka. 336 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 2: I think total value there would have been obviously. I mean, 337 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: if you if you sacrifice another couple of years. But again, 338 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: being twenty eight, I think you all know that age 339 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 2: and free agency is pretty important, and being on the 340 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 2: younger side of that gives you a chance for more 341 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: years if you were able to go out there and 342 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: show health and success. So I think it's kind of 343 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 2: a no brainer to take a gamble on that a 344 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: little bit. You know, we're at the point where financially 345 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 2: it doesn't necessarily make that big of a difference at 346 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 2: the rates we were talking, And again, I think where 347 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 2: my skill set lies and where it's going to lie 348 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 2: is going to be as a starter, and I just 349 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 2: needed to kind of figure that out a little bit 350 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 2: and get back to the things that we already talked about. 351 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: And move forward on the things that I learned. So 352 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: it's it was out there. It was just kind of, 353 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 2: you know, what I wanted, and we discussed this, and 354 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: I wanted to be out there and again make a 355 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: manager's decision really tough come the seventh inning. So it's 356 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: just where I've always been and where I feel a 357 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: most comfortable and I'm more than happy to bet on it. 358 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 4: You mentioned the number one eighty, one hundred and eighty innings. 359 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 4: What would it mean to you if you reach that 360 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 4: goal of one hundred eighty innings for this season in 361 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 4: the sense of where you've been since your twenty one 362 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 4: year old season when you were an All Star. 363 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would. It would kind of complete you know 364 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: that whole thing. I think you could. You could turn 365 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: the page and I think I already have. I think 366 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 2: that was what this year was biggest for with everything, 367 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 2: is that you know, I'm not exactly seen as what 368 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 2: once or could have been if if you know, if 369 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I think that's where I 370 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 2: think a lot of people look at it and think that, oh, 371 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: what if you didn't get hurt, what if all the 372 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 2: sacm that I think with the way I threw and 373 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: the way things happened, there would have been struggles, as 374 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: there are with any career. I would have had to 375 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 2: figure things out one way or another. It just kind 376 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 2: of happened all at once in the spotlight of the 377 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: big leagues after already having success. So I think I'm learning, 378 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 2: and I've got a chance to learn last like three 379 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: four years. What a lot of guys are coming up 380 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: and learning in college and in the minor leagues, and 381 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 2: I just had to kind of do it on the 382 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: biggest stage. So it's, yeah, it's a journey. But I 383 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 2: think being able to go out there and throw again 384 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 2: that full season and not touch the IL and throw 385 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 2: in the playoffs would just give me the sense that 386 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,479 Speaker 2: I always had and the things that I always took 387 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: pride in which were being out there. I didn't get hurt, 388 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: I didn't sniff the IL in the minor leagues, and 389 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: I think people will say, oh, it was different, but 390 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: back then it wasn't. I was still on a five 391 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 2: day I still think, you know, including instructs and spring training. 392 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 2: I still think I was over like one hundred and 393 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 2: seventy innings both years, one hundred and sixty and then 394 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 2: got called up in that in that third season. So 395 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 2: that was something that I always thought was never gonna 396 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 2: be a problem because I worked out, I ate well, 397 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: I thought I would never get hurt. So coming out 398 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 2: the other side of that, and you know, having all 399 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 2: the things that I've learned through these past you know, 400 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 2: four years, really I think it would it would feel 401 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: pretty good to just be able to detern it and 402 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 2: not worry about what could have been, you know, and 403 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 2: not have to ask ask answer questions about that. 404 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 3: Hey, how excited are you to share a rotation with 405 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 3: Corbyn Burns eventually when he comes back, and a guy 406 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 3: like Merrill Kelly. And secondly, remember that time you broke 407 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 3: that driver on your back when we were playing golf. 408 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 2: I remember very well. That's one of my favorite moments 409 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: of my life. 410 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 5: Was it was that? 411 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 3: Was that money MIC's driver or is that like a 412 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 3: rental driver? I can't remember. I think we were playing 413 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 3: that I was using. 414 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: I was using his driver because they didn't have Uh, yeah, 415 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 2: I've got a triple X now, so it's a little 416 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 2: tougher to break. But yeah, that's one of my favorite 417 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: moments of my life. 418 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 3: And what about Corbyn and Meryl Kelly? 419 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, these guys, I'm their dogs, right like they've done it, 420 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: They've done their learning. There are two guys especially that 421 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 2: you know went through it at some points. You know, 422 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: obviously Meryl was overseas and able to come back and 423 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 2: take what he learned and have success, you know, well 424 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 2: into his thirties. It's it's really impressive to go watch 425 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,239 Speaker 2: him pitch, and I think he's as good of an 426 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: example as anybody as far as what a true pitcher 427 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 2: means in today's game. I think people will look at 428 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: him and think, you know, this stuff isn't isn't that 429 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 2: crazy because of what's all out there, But you know, 430 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 2: it's really good stuff that's commanded extremely well, and I'm 431 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 2: excited to learn from that. And then, yeah, obviously Corbyn's 432 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 2: you know, hopefully back here at some point around the 433 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 2: All Star break and get a chance to learn from him, 434 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 2: because you know, there's one point where again he was 435 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: the best in baseball. So and again, just surrounding yourself 436 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 2: with guys like that is is always helpful and you know, 437 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 2: brings out the best. And yeah, I'm excited to be 438 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 2: able to do that. 439 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 4: Knowing all that you know about you know, how certain 440 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 4: guys throw and what the injury could be. You don't 441 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 4: know how guys are feeling. But you look at a 442 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 4: guy like Trey Savage and you go, I see parallels 443 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 4: in what I was doing. Do you feel like a 444 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 4: guy like that you could go and talk to him 445 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 4: and go, hey, this will keep you healthy at this 446 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 4: point in his career, a guy that's now had more 447 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 4: postseason starts than regular season starts, and or does he 448 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,959 Speaker 4: have to learn it on his own? And should an 449 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 4: organizations be doing this anyway? 450 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a difficult question. I mean, you guys 451 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 2: know that like hitting a little different than pitching, because 452 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 2: there's a uniqueness factor to pitching that makes success available. 453 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: And I think you know, if if somebody came to 454 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: me in twenty nineteen and at the end of that 455 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 2: season said you need to switch it up, you need 456 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 2: to go back to how you were throwing when you 457 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: were probably like sixteen seventeen years old, and you know 458 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 2: that's because this is sustainable, I would have told them 459 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 2: to take a hike, you know, and not that nicely. 460 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 2: I think anybody would would agree that if you're having 461 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 2: success and you're staying healthy and you feel good, then 462 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: you don't touch a thing. You know, you learn and 463 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 2: improve on what you can and what's going to help 464 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 2: you continue to have sex success. But again, these are 465 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 2: things that we need to learn as you go through 466 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: a career, as as you find things that work. And 467 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: you know, there's definitely some things, like I said, the 468 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 2: arm angle was was super high back then, and a 469 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 2: lot of it was just tilt to the side, and 470 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: that's not necessarily something that's unsustainable. You just don't know that. 471 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 2: You know, we're all built differently. There's there's different ways 472 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 2: to to you know, be in different positions, but there's 473 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 2: still some principles to pitching that need to remain and 474 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: again we all figure those out and you know, hopefully 475 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: he doesn't have any of those problems that I had. 476 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 2: There's you know, there's there's so many guys that have 477 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 2: thrown different ways. I mean, you look at actually, Chris 478 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 2: Bassett's a good example that I think a lot of 479 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 2: people at some points in his career were probably telling him, 480 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 2: you know, you can't throw like that, But look at 481 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 2: him and what he's done and how he's able to 482 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 2: stay and sustain that. No, I think me personally, I 483 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: had to change it because I wasn't moving the way 484 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 2: my body needed to and and it didn't work for me. 485 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 2: But it doesn't necessarily mean that, you know, that's something 486 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 2: that he has to change at this point. You know 487 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 2: it's time and you know adaptation, it's it's what this 488 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 2: game is all about. And you can see countless examples 489 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: of it throughout the years, and you know, somebody like 490 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 2: du Gram even as a good example, he just got 491 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: better and better at better at moving and throwing a baseball. 492 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 2: And then eventually you look up there in twenty twenty 493 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: one or whatever it was, and he's sitting one hundred 494 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 2: miles an hour. So I think that's that's the dream 495 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: for all of us, is that we're able to kind 496 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 2: of continue to, you know, make those little adjustments that 497 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 2: make us better. And it's not a clean line, you know, uphill, 498 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: but you know, he's he's definitely the poster child for that. 499 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 2: And yeah, there's there's again countless examples of it. So again, 500 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: I hope he doesn't have to do a thing because 501 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: it's it's clearly disgusting and it's worked extremely well, and 502 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 2: the combo between him and Rogers is going to be 503 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 2: pretty lethal, So I hope they get to see, uh 504 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: see the contrast in those couple angles all year. 505 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: I mean, from a fan perspective, I want to admit 506 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: at bat. I mean, I know it'll never happen, but 507 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: mid at bat, I just want to see somebody go 508 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: from watching the Savage and then the next pitch is 509 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: coming from Rogers. 510 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: No, I think that. I think those are both guys. 511 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 2: I don't know about Rogers, but I know you Savage. 512 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 2: They can't have on the traject the hitting machine, which 513 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 2: I actually think is an extreme advantage at this point, 514 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: because I got to watch, you know, Justin Turner take 515 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 2: reps in the cages, and you know, I think the 516 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 2: first day I went down and watched something, he ended 517 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 2: up hitting a a walk off homer off of the 518 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 2: pitch that he'd been looking at in the tunnel. You know, 519 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 2: I think it's something that teams are using to their advantage, 520 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 2: and so they should. I think it advances the game, 521 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 2: It gives them a better chance, and you know, makes 522 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,239 Speaker 2: me have to play a different game on the mountain too. 523 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 2: So it's all it's all good in competitiveness, but for him, 524 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: if if you're out there and you're not able to 525 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 2: actually see what it really looks like in practice, and 526 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 2: the first time you're seeing it in the game is 527 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: a pretty huge advantage in my opinion, So again another 528 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: reason probably not to touch it at this point, no doubt. 529 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: Mike, this was great man, good to catch up. You're 530 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: a great interview. Really appreciate it. We have a ton 531 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: of young and you guys all players that listen and watch, 532 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: so this stuff's really helpful. Thanks for joining us, have 533 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: a great holiday up there in Canada and then looking 534 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 1: forward to seeing Yeah, it'spring training in Arizona. 535 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 2: Beautiful. Thank you guys for having me. I was a pleasure.