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Speaker 1: Today's guests may be most recognizable in the white tail space.

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Speaker 1: He grew up in the Bluff Country of southeast Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: where he became obsessed with everything outdoors. He spent all

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Speaker 1: of his extra time bass fishing, turkey hunting, upland hunting,

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Speaker 1: and of course, deer hunting. Tony Peterson took his love

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Speaker 1: of deer hunting and eventually turned it into an outdoor

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Speaker 1: writing career, a profession he kicked off in his mid

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Speaker 1: twenties after becoming the associate editor for Peterson's Bonehunting magazine. Later,

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Speaker 1: he earned the role of equipment editor for Bonhuert Magazine

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Speaker 1: and Bowhunter TV. In more recent years, Tony joined up

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Speaker 1: with me Eater to produce content including articles and podcasts

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Speaker 1: under the Wired to Hunt brand, as well as shows

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Speaker 1: like Back forty and One Week in November. Listeners will

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Speaker 1: likely know of Tony if they are into white to hunting.

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Speaker 1: Public land is He was one of the pioneers that

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Speaker 1: thrived at killing big bucks on public ground. He has

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Speaker 1: aired a pilot Good Bucks on Public Ground in multiple

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Speaker 1: states and is considered one of the nation's top authorities

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Speaker 1: on hunting pressured gear. But that's not why we have

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Speaker 1: him here today. He also happens to be one hell

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Speaker 1: of a turkey hunter with countless shotgun and boat tip

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Speaker 1: turkeys do his credit. He's a wealth of knowledge on

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Speaker 1: calling long beards, especially long beards that have received a

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Speaker 1: lot of hunting pressure, which is what we're going to

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Speaker 1: get into today. Welcome to the show, Tony.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Man.

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Speaker 1: How's everything going.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty good. It's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Getting ready for turkey season, so that's always exciting.

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Speaker 1: How's the spring shaping up where you're at.

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Speaker 3: You know it's coming in real slow, but we're getting

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Speaker 3: there now. And you know, my focus right away is

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Speaker 3: always to get my little girls. I have twin eleven

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Speaker 3: year old girls and their turkey hunting fools, and so

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Speaker 3: we scout and get ready for them hard, and then

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Speaker 3: once they fill their tags, then I start to play

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Speaker 3: around a little bit. But that's always my focus.

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Speaker 1: Now, do you guys have a youth season there where

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Speaker 1: you're at for the girls?

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Speaker 3: You know, in Minnesota, we don't. They just they get

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Speaker 3: to hunt the whole six weeks of the season. But

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Speaker 3: I do take them over to Wisconsin where they have

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Speaker 1: That's a youth so nice. So Wisconsin and Minnesota this year.

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Speaker 1: You have more on the docket for turkey hunts this year,

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Speaker 1: just those two states.

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Speaker 3: For the girls, those two states myself too, and then

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna head down to Nebraska. And I

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Speaker 3: also drew an Iowa tag this year, so I got

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Speaker 3: a few tags.

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Speaker 1: You'll be busy. Nice, nice. So yeah, it sounds like

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Speaker 1: diehard deer hunter, but just as much.

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Speaker 3: A turkey hunter is deer absolutely, and it doesn't I

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Speaker 3: don't you know, I'm going down to Iowa. I'm hunting

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Speaker 3: public land down there. I'll be scouting deer, you know,

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Speaker 3: the Nebraska thing. I'll be scouting deer. So it's it's

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Speaker 3: always yeah, you know, the primary focus is, you know,

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Speaker 3: woods man like I just love it. And I'm always

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Speaker 3: checking out new spots and turkey seasons. So good for

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Speaker 3: you know, kind of taking a flyer weekend and going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love this Kansas piece. We always talk

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Speaker 1: now I really like it. But uh yeah, now I'm

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Speaker 1: excited for spring. Got Kansas, I've got Washington and then Idaho.

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Speaker 2: As well, so I'll have nice yeah, nice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Like every episode, we're going to start with some

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Speaker 1: listener questions, and if you have questions for my guests

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Speaker 1: or for myself, please email them to us at ct

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Speaker 1: D at phelpsgame Calls dot com or shoot us a

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Speaker 1: social message or anything like that and we'll try to

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Speaker 1: get them on here. So the first question for you today, Tony,

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Speaker 1: is defining a roose tree. We got a question a

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Speaker 3: You know, that really depends what part of the season

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Speaker 3: and so they'll spread out. But you know, I mean

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that's I mean, you don't want to

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Speaker 3: a lot of times. So being able to watch turkey

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Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, So listener question number two. I'm new to

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Speaker 3: If I'm hunting a place that nobody else can go into,

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Speaker 3: give me the first week. If I'm hunting a place

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Speaker 3: deer season, like at least the bow season pattern where

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Speaker 2: Ground there that you can find.

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Speaker 1: Yep. And I'm similar to you. I I love hunting

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Speaker 1: that first week if you had if I had private,

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Speaker 1: I'd be out there that first week for sure. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think your likelihood of calling those toms in's way better.

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Speaker 1: But in Washington, public ground hunting, like we do, you

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Speaker 1: get a week of every single chunk of public ground

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Speaker 1: up phase where everything's locked down. Sometimes they won't gobble,

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Speaker 1: always liked in Washington, Like May tenth, it's getting pretty

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Speaker 1: no matter what, you know, if you want to kill

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Speaker 1: the three or four year old birds, like I've always

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Speaker 1: felt like mid May for us in Washington and some

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Speaker 1: of your best timing, it's just those birds are lonely

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Speaker 3: you know, and make it sound like two hens meeting

432
00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,119
Speaker 3: up and cutting hard, and or just give them something different,

433
00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,640
Speaker 3: sometimes that's all you need to break them to you.

434
00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,000
Speaker 3: But just going to them is so often that does

435
00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:18,680
Speaker 3: not go well.

436
00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, So once again, just be cautious. And then it's

437
00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,000
Speaker 1: it's really a skill. It takes a lot, and even

438
00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,920
Speaker 1: no matter how many birds you've listened to, still can

439
00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,600
Speaker 1: get it wrong. So jumping into our next question, one,

440
00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,600
Speaker 1: thing we don't talk a lot about but does play

441
00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,920
Speaker 1: a significant factor. But we we also don't think about

442
00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,280
Speaker 1: it a lot while we're hunting, especially in Washington where

443
00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,320
Speaker 1: we have water and a lot of places. You know,

444
00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,080
Speaker 1: how does water affect your turkey hunt? It's it's different

445
00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,360
Speaker 1: than an elk and a wallow or you know elk

446
00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,080
Speaker 1: that need to go to water every day. Turkeys can

447
00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,200
Speaker 1: get it in different places. But they also will use,

448
00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, water for different reasons, for feed, for green up.

449
00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,480
Speaker 1: What do you how do you think about water in

450
00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,000
Speaker 1: relation to spring turkey hunting?

451
00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,800
Speaker 3: And you know, I've I've killed birds in like proximity

452
00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,840
Speaker 3: to water and Texas and places where you're like, I

453
00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,480
Speaker 3: think they're going there to drink. But I use it more,

454
00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,320
Speaker 3: you know, because we a lot of the states I hunt.

455
00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,359
Speaker 3: You'll get a turkey season that opens up and you

456
00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,359
Speaker 3: might get snow, I mean you and so the wetlands

457
00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,879
Speaker 3: are full, you know, and those birds do not like

458
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,920
Speaker 3: getting their feet wet unless they have a real good reason.

459
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,159
Speaker 3: So if they're if they're just traveling point A to

460
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,119
Speaker 3: B and scratching or whatever, they're gonna avoid water. And

461
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,200
Speaker 3: so I've I spend a lot of time setting up blind,

462
00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,000
Speaker 3: especially for my daughters, where I'm like, there's a swamp

463
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,000
Speaker 3: here and there's a cattail slew there and this is

464
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,320
Speaker 3: the high ground. I mean, kind of like you do

465
00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,320
Speaker 3: a deer and you know, they don't always do it.

466
00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,640
Speaker 3: Sometimes they'll fly across, but if they can walk, they can.

467
00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,639
Speaker 3: And so I mean water is a factor in a

468
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,720
Speaker 3: lot of stuff. And then I mean, I've seen this too,

469
00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,399
Speaker 3: and I don't really know what's going on, but it's

470
00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,320
Speaker 3: almost like there's a little micro climate around that water first,

471
00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,440
Speaker 3: you know, so when you don't have anything else green

472
00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,760
Speaker 3: in the woods, sometimes you can go and see turkey

473
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,880
Speaker 3: scratching up on the edges of water. It's like they're

474
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 3: they're finding something there that they're keying on. And so

475
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,359
Speaker 3: there's a you know, you might look at it and go, well,

476
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,679
Speaker 3: they're just walking around this edge. They're not if you

477
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,960
Speaker 3: watch them or you you know, you might think, oh,

478
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,960
Speaker 3: they're going down there to drink when they got water everywhere,

479
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 3: and so there's there's things like that.

480
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think the the amount of bugs

481
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,399
Speaker 1: around that water too. You watch them out there bugging

482
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 1: as their feed in the middle of the day. I

483
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 1: think they there's just a lot more bugs near the

484
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,800
Speaker 1: water than maybe away from the water, you know, if

485
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,119
Speaker 1: we're talking about like the same feed in comparison, so

486
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 1: they may be going down there getting into better food,

487
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 1: you know, better bugging area from the feed. But yeah,

488
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 1: so you're basically saying you can treat that water as

489
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 1: almost not necessarily a funnel, but it almost condenses them

490
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,159
Speaker 1: to like a more narrow path, Like their routine is

491
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,679
Speaker 1: gonna be a tighter path because they're not gonna want

492
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:48,800
Speaker 1: to be in the swamp. They're not gonna want to

493
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 1: be next to the water. I'm sure you're gonna kind

494
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:51,919
Speaker 1: of choke them down to some of these areas so

495
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,639
Speaker 1: they can maintain the high ground.

496
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 3: It's absolutely a funnel, I mean. And and this is

497
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,359
Speaker 3: you know, this is another crazy theory too, when you

498
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,199
Speaker 3: talk about you know, bugs and water. I do a

499
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 3: lot of duck photography in the spring, and I'll watch

500
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 3: hawks set up and you know, you think, like nothing

501
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 3: out there eats toads, right like you might have a

502
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 3: dog that'll guma tode up and salivate for a while.

503
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 3: And I'll watch certain hawks flying and just keying on

504
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,120
Speaker 3: those toads and pick them up. And I always watch

505
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 3: those turkeys work in those swamp edges. I'm like, are

506
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 3: they they you know they'd grab a frog? Yeah, I

507
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 3: mean you know they would. And I'm like, are they keen?

508
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 3: This probably sounds so stupid, but I'm like, there's something there.

509
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,880
Speaker 3: You know, it doesn't really look like they're catching something,

510
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 3: but if it was cold enough, it probably wouldn't be that,

511
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,199
Speaker 3: you know, probably wouldn't look that crazy.

512
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so then towards later season is some of

513
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 1: these you know, wetlands and areas dry up, then you

514
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: almost lose your advantage. You know, the advantage you had

515
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: of necking them down or funneling them is because now

516
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,439
Speaker 1: they've got you know, basically more real estate that they

517
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: they're not afraid to walk through, or or that green

518
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 1: up's changing, right, the green up used to be on

519
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: the edge here will now the edge is receded back,

520
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 1: you know, one hundred feet, hundred yards whatever it is,

521
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 1: and so now they it's basically opened up their path.

522
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 1: So early on you can take advantage of some of

523
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,959
Speaker 1: those higher water levels and neck them down. So that's

524
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 1: an interesting point there. So one thing that's really hard,

525
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: and I've tried to rewind my brain when this question

526
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: kind of came up, or I was putting it together

527
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 1: for you. Is because once you kind of got your

528
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: understanding of turkeys, you just kind of know what amount

529
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: of sign is enough. But let's say you're a brand

530
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,199
Speaker 1: new hunter, your brand new turkey hunting. How do you

531
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: know when you go to scout property if enough sign

532
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: is there? If that makes any sense, you know, like

533
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 1: we've been there enough, we just like, oh there's enough scat,

534
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 1: there's birds, goblin, whatever. But for a new hunter that

535
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 1: maybe just doesn't have it figured out yet, you know,

536
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: there might have been one bird on there a year ago,

537
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: you know, and that's a sign that you see. What

538
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: would you look at and when would you be comfortable

539
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,719
Speaker 1: enough that there's enough sign on this piece to hunt it?

540
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 3: It depends how fresh it is. And you kind of

541
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 3: alluded to this earlier. You know the good thing about

542
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 3: spring in most places, you're gonna get some rain and

543
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 3: you're gonna get a fresh you know, like a clean slate,

544
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 3: and you know it might only you might only have

545
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 3: to find a fresh set of tom track that you

546
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 3: know was made this morning, and that's all you need

547
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 3: to set up on that login road tomorrow, or you know,

548
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: if you haven't had any rain for a while, it's

549
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 3: a little drier, and now it's like, okay, I know

550
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 3: the sign I'm looking at might be a couple of

551
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,640
Speaker 3: days or a week old. Then you want as much

552
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 3: as possible, and so I always try to. It's kind

553
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 3: of like with white tails, like, oh, you know, you

554
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 3: find a bunch of rubs, that's great, Like I want

555
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 3: to see what's going on too, So that's like that's

556
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 3: the starting point. So if you go out there and

557
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 3: you're in that corner of the cut, you know, cornfield

558
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 3: or whatever, and you see some you know tracks and

559
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 3: some you know turkey droppings, you're like, okay, this it

560
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 3: seems like there's a concentration here. If there's a way

561
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 3: to back that up with observation, then you win because

562
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 3: now you know and I mean, you know, the good

563
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 3: thing about signing the turkeys laid down is you know

564
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 3: they did it in the day, so at least you

565
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 3: have that to work. But you know the other thing

566
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 3: to do. And I know people they don't think about

567
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: this very often, but if you're working, if you're like

568
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 3: on a small property like a lot of us in

569
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 3: the Midwest and the East Star running trail cameras for

570
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 3: turkeys is almost cheating, Like it's it's crazy ey, how

571
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 3: dialed into those patterns you can get them and see

572
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,239
Speaker 3: with a trail camera. So it's if you're like, if

573
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: you're new to it and you're like, I don't know

574
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 3: what these tracks mean, Like if you have a trail camera,

575
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 3: maybe put it out, or it's better to go out

576
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 3: and glass if you can, because you know, in person

577
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 3: observation is way better. But there's ways to just kind

578
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 3: of go, Okay, now I know what's going on here.

579
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would consider that question a little bit

580
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: more like pre pre scouting, Right, you're out there February

581
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 1: before they're goblin, before maybe they've broken you know, there's

582
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: still maybe in their winter flocks. But ideally the best

583
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 1: way to proof it is boots on the ground. You know,

584
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: those those turkeys are gonna start goblin early March, at

585
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: least where I'm at. You know, they've been gobling for

586
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: the last well by time this airs, you know, two months,

587
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: so you should really go proof it when those birds

588
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: are there and as they start to break up, you know,

589
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: into the end of March or middle of March, wherever

590
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: you're at, just go proof that that ground is going

591
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: to hold turkeys during you know, the spring. And and

592
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: the best way to do that is Tony mentioned, you know,

593
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: put eyes on them, put eyes on the or just

594
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: go locate on that, you know, go spend the morning

595
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 1: there and you're gonna know, you know, probably by the

596
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 1: middle of March, if if there's gonna be birds or not.

597
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 3: And I would say the only thing to be careful

598
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 3: with there, you know, scouting big flocks is the easiest,

599
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 3: and the turkeys are so consistent until you get that

600
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 3: real green up where the bugs are really a factor.

601
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 3: And then those flocks are when they're done, like they're

602
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 3: they're not flocking up anymore no matter what comes in.

603
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 3: And you start to get you know, by nine ten

604
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning when you're sitting out there and

605
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:31,719
Speaker 3: you see all those bugs kind of like when you're

606
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 3: fly fishing, like you just know those birds are keying

607
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 3: on that. And so you might have glassed a flock

608
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 3: in the cornfield two weeks ago.

609
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: And if that green up.

610
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 3: Hits hard and it warms up and those bugs are out,

611
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 3: they're gonna focus on that food source.

612
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 2: And it's gonna change.

613
00:25:45,920 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: Change, yeah, yeah, change it up real quick and next conversation.

614
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: So it seems like no matter what, we can be

615
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: you know, in prime best managed, you know, land in Kansas,

616
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: we can be in eastern Washington where right now I

617
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: feel like we're in that first twenty years of turkey

618
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: r introduction, still like they've been there longer, but they're

619
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: still in that like you know, predators haven't got them yet.

620
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: They're still on the upswing. But it seems like no

621
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: matter how many birds we're in, every once in a while,

622
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: every season, you just run into that brick wall. And

623
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: then sometimes that brick wall of no gobbling will stay

624
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: up for a day. Sometimes it'll last a couple of days.

625
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's a lot of times triggered by whether

626
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: it could be triggered up by them just being a

627
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: hind up. What's your strategy go to there where you

628
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: feel like I just seen a bird. I crow called

629
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: out him, my alcohol at him, my turkey called out

630
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: of my cut at him, and the thing doesn't answer,

631
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: Like how do you get you know, how do you

632
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: hunt with with purpose and with some confidence at that point?

633
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: Because sometimes I just you know, I just get super frustrated,

634
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: but I'm curious, you.

635
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 3: Know, man, I think I think the main problem a

636
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 3: lot of time turkey hunters have is the turkey sounds

637
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 3: they've listened to are sounds other turkey hunters make, so

638
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: they go to YouTube. And I'm not saying there's anything

639
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 3: wrong with that, but when you listen to wild birds,

640
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 3: it's like it's like being around a herd of elk.

641
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 3: When you listen to how cows call and how they communicate,

642
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: it's just different than listening to somebody explain it to you.

643
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 3: And when you spend time around turkeys, there's we're so

644
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: keen in on the loud noises right, like the loud

645
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 3: yelping sequence, the gobbles, of course, But when you when

646
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 3: you call in birds, the hens, and they come in close,

647
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 3: even Tom's there's a language that it almost doesn't stop.

648
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 3: And if you don't hear them make it, you don't

649
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 3: know how to like, you don't know how to work

650
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: on that. So I'm always I don't when I'm out there,

651
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 3: I'm way too cocky. I'm like, there isn't a bird

652
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 3: I can't call in, and there's lots of birds I

653
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 3: can't call in, and trust me, I met them, But

654
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 3: I always look at that and I go the bird,

655
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 3: the bird that won't gobble at me. That's fine, Like

656
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 3: you can still call in those quiet birds. And it's

657
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 3: I always like just think of it, like there's something

658
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: I got to figure out with my calling to win

659
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 3: that dude over. And the more this, I mean, this

660
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 3: was really like the primary benefit I felt when I

661
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: bow hunted him for so long was you call in

662
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 3: so many hens into your decoys and you get them going,

663
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: and you start going back and forth and they're preening

664
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 3: in front of you and you you're getting an education

665
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 3: in the sounds they make when they're interacting with other hens,

666
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 3: and the sounds they make when there's a tom close.

667
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 3: And it's just like you just have more tools in

668
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 3: the kit. And so I think, I think a lot

669
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 3: of times we go out and we go, well, if

670
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 3: I can't shot goblinm he's call shy or whatever, or

671
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: if I throw him that that sequence of yelps and

672
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: he you know, he looks but he doesn't hit me,

673
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 3: then he's not workable. And I'm like, man, you got

674
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 3: a lot more things you can do. And I think

675
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 3: you know my thing, you know, you would think you

676
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: hunt pressure birds, right, like you go down public land,

677
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 3: and it's always like tied to subtlety, right like be quiet,

678
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 3: make soft yelps, scratch a little bit. I find going

679
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: the other way helps me a lot. Like I think

680
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: a lot of those birds are out there and they go,

681
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 3: I've heard these hens yelp and you know, purr and

682
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: cluck and do all the little quiet stuff. But when

683
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 3: you start getting fired up, especially if you can run

684
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: two calls or you have a buddy to go back

685
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: and forth with, now there's something interesting for them. And

686
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: I just think a lot of your competition on pressure

687
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 3: birds is going the other way. And they're like, I

688
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: gotta they're not saying much, so I gotta be quiet,

689
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 3: and man, I usually get real aggressive and at least

690
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 3: then even if you don't call them in, they'll usually

691
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: hit you or change their body language a little bit.

692
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: And I think that's important. But it's a confidence thing

693
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: with your calls, you know, yep.

694
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so as far as like do you continue,

695
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: do you change up anything, as far as like running

696
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: ridges and locating or like do you do you'd maintain

697
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: like your same path you would take if they were

698
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: gobbling crazy or do you ever assume that a bird's

699
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: they are just not answering you? Does that affect like

700
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: you do like cold calling setups where you just might

701
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: set up for tons if things are just slowed away down,

702
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: you'll just do a cold calling setup.

703
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: And yeah, and you know I do.

704
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: I do a lot of map work, like if I'm

705
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: hunting a big chunk of public land, like I'm like,

706
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: where where can I go? People probably aren't gonna go,

707
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 3: just like the deer, and I'll do I'll do a

708
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 3: lot of cold calling setups, but it'll be there'll be

709
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 3: a reason behind it, like I'm I'm here because I

710
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 3: think so, And then I try to give them like

711
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: two hours. And I know people get real impatient if

712
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 3: there's no birds going. But man again, you know, like

713
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: we talked about before, it's proximity. And if you've got

714
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 3: birds that are covering the countryside, even if they're not

715
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: making noise, and I'm sitting there and I'm working and

716
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: it's in a spot that has something going for it,

717
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: you know, half hours isn't enough time, Forty five minutes

718
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 3: isn't enough time. And you know, I just think about

719
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 3: how often you you know, especially when you're younger, and

720
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: you're you're just gung ho and you stand up and

721
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: you walk twenty yards.

722
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: Birds flush everywhere all the.

723
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 3: Time, man, And so I just try to be like, Okay,

724
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 3: I'm I'm going to commit to this spot. I'm gonna

725
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 3: make it comfortable, and I'm going to give it, you know, like,

726
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 3: and I will tell myself, like, you are not leaving here.

727
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 3: It's it's noon, and you're not leaving here till two, no.

728
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: Matter what set your clock to it. There's no that

729
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna jump ahead a few because it's a great

730
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: segue into patience, which is something I don't have much of,

731
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: but you have to. I mean, I've I've learned and

732
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: I've been told by the turkeys, as you mentioned multiple times,

733
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: that patience is one of those things that's actually to

734
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: your to your advantage when turkey hunting. You know, how

735
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: long can you sit still? You know, me just wiggling,

736
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, forty five minutes into sit or a minute

737
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: has cost me birds me you know, thinking I can

738
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: do something that because there hasn't been any action, So

739
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: when aside from me just setting a clock and is

740
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: it just a gut feel? And how long you're gonna

741
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: sit if the area is like cold versus lukewarm, like

742
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: maybe you heard a gobble, you know, a half hour

743
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: into the sites that like can you run us through?

744
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: Like when you're gonna move aside from just setting your

745
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: clock to two hours or is it as simple as

746
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna give this two hours because I think

747
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 1: that's the right time, or that's how big this area is,

748
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: or I.

749
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: Just have to force myself.

750
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 3: And this is this comes from the dear world, right,

751
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: and I mean partially that and bowl hunting turkeys where

752
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, I've done a lot of dark

753
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: to dark sits and blinds bowl hunting turkeys and you

754
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: get you know, you might have six hours of down

755
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: time and then you look out and there's a tom coming,

756
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 3: you know. And so for me, I think that, you know,

757
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: one of the things that just kills so many people's

758
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: success is they're just impatient and I see this, you know,

759
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: this is in the white tail space big time. But turkeys,

760
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: because people they're visible. People think they're gonna go strike

761
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: one up or they're gonna go see one There's a

762
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 3: lot of covering ground and not as much hunting, you know,

763
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: guys out there. You know, you go hunting over the

764
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: counter unit for elk in Colorado. You know, if it's

765
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: the first week, you probably better off sitting on that

766
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: water all day, even though most people can't do it right.

767
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 3: And turkeys, I think we just don't give them enough time.

768
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: And you got to think, you know, sometimes these birds,

769
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 3: you know, we all love that bird that runs in, right,

770
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: A lot of them don't, especially when it's greened up

771
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 3: and they've had some pressure.

772
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: They just need time yep.

773
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: And and the other thing that I've noticed, just after

774
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: doing it a lot, no matter how brushy we it is,

775
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: I feel like I've got like better than normal eyesight

776
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: and can pick things up that are unnatural. And we've

777
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: had birds coming in where I know there's a bird

778
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: within eighty or ninety yards and I can't pick the

779
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: dang thing up, and you know that little head's bobbing around,

780
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: and so it's like, be patient, don't move, only move

781
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: when you know, when when you absolutely know, because we've

782
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: all taken those risks like getting our gun up or

783
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: turning where we think the bird's gonna come. And and

784
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, that kind of tags on to the patients

785
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: of time, but it's like they're so good, and it's

786
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: it's seeing you, seeing movement, seeing any of that that

787
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, being patient, only moving when you can it

788
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: is going to be to your advantage because like you said,

789
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: I've I've flushed birds by getting up after half hour.

790
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: I've I've got birds to run away because I've you know,

791
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: moved my knee at the wrong time. Yeah, patience goes

792
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: a long way when turkey and you know, being just

793
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: being comfortable. That is one thing me and Jordan talked

794
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: about last last week on the podcast was becoming as

795
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: comfortable as you can under the tree. We've actually went

796
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: to using foldable like low sitting chairs just because we

797
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: can sit there for hours and not have to move,

798
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: and it's it's as stupid as a little chair would seem.

799
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: Has probably upped my odds, you know, fifty percent on

800
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: those long caulums just because I'm more willing to sit

801
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: there for long sits.

802
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to be comfortable, Yeah, I mean, if

803
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: you need to pop out a little blind or whatever,

804
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 3: it's so important if it'll keep you there.

805
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, for sure. So I want to talk about

806
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: patterning off the roost back when I was younger, maybe

807
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: a little more bloodthirsty. One thing, every morning we needed

808
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: to kill the turkeys that we sat up on, you know,

809
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: we we sat up on those so we would literally

810
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: chase those turkeys until we bumped them or kill them.

811
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: It seemed like every time. And so one thing is

812
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: we're getting older, is more patterning off the roost. If

813
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: you have time available within the hunt, you know you

814
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: have five six more days, do you ever pattern off

815
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: the roosts? Like these birds sat here, they went this way.

816
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take that a the learning dam. I'm gonna

817
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: leave them alone. I'm gonna listen to them, I'm gonna

818
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: show them, but I'm never gonna get close enough to

819
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: bump them and then use that against them on the

820
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: following day. And how important that can be, you know,

821
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: for your excess, especially on public ground where you're you're

822
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: finding you know, maybe not as many birds as you want.

823
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: And that's really your only play.

824
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: All the time.

825
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 3: I mean, that's I'm a scouter man, and I like observation,

826
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 3: and so if I and that, I mean again, that's

827
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: kind of the patient's thing.

828
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: If you if you have to.

829
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 3: Sandbag a day to kind of watch them and that's

830
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 3: so hard to do with Turkey's because you can always

831
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: move in on them. But like I said, you know,

832
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: if you see them do something, as long as you

833
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: know the conditions don't drastically change or somebody comes in

834
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: there and blows it up, they're gonna do it tomorrow.

835
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 3: And I think you know, when you talk about patterning

836
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: off the roost, I mean that's you know that guys

837
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 3: were preaching about that in Alabama fifty years ago, right,

838
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: that's like kind of old school advice. I take it

839
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 3: way further and I go, can you pattern them throughout

840
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: the day? You know, because a lot of times they're

841
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 3: not that killable off the roost. I shouldn't say they're

842
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 3: not that callable off the roost, because they're gonna be

843
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 3: following those hens and they're gonna play that game till

844
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 3: nine and ten o'clock in the morning, and then you

845
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 3: start getting a window on a lot of birds. And

846
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: so yeah, it's great to know where they're gonna start

847
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:16,479
Speaker 3: and where they're gonna end.

848
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 2: Up, super valuable.

849
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: But if you also know where they end up at

850
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 3: noon or you know, ten in the morning or two

851
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 3: in the afternoon, then you're really putting something together.

852
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we used to. Like I said you, I would

853
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: for some reason justify the decision we would make that

854
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: I think we can crawl to this point and cross

855
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: that fence there, and then we'll catch back up to

856
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: them and kill that bird, right because we've watched them

857
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: all morning, versus I think as we've I've grown up

858
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: as a trick Kennery like, well, they walked by that

859
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: little pinch point on the ridge meadow or whatever it

860
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: may be. You know, they walked by there, They're most

861
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: likely you know it tomorrow, Let's just go back and

862
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: have a sandwich, or go try to locate some other

863
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: birds that we haven't. You know, we may not screw

864
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 1: up and then go and kill that bird tomorrow because

865
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: chances are, you know, as long as they don't get

866
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: bumped and not crazy weather wind switches, they're gonna be

867
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: back in that same area Versus me trying to justify

868
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: how I'm gonna crawl through a field and go kill

869
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: that bird when you know chances are under a percent.

870
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: You know, before we before we do it, do it.

871
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: But that's a rite of passage.

872
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: When you're when you're starting out, you're gonna you're gonna

873
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: get too close a lot, and there's nothing there's like

874
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: no easier way to blow up a hunt, to get

875
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 3: in too close to the roost in the morning. Like

876
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: it's just it's hard, man.

877
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. So another great segue into cutting the distance. You

878
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: know the name of the podcast and it's one of

879
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: those things, is you know, to cut the distance. There's

880
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: two ways that can be accomplished. One you either have

881
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: the bird cut the distance or you use your own

882
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: feet to cut the distance. I feel that cutting the

883
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: distance as a turkey hunter is maybe you know, the

884
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: highest level of achievement as far as like woodsmanship go.

885
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, they can't smell you, so you can

886
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: approach from any direction. But as far as like getting caught,

887
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: needing to use terrain vegetation to your advantage and not

888
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: getting picked off is as tough as it gets while

889
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: you're wild turkey on you, especially since there's multiple eyes.

890
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: But in your opinion, like how close do you want

891
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: to be before you start your calling? And you may

892
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: have to add some context to that as far as

893
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: you know vegetation what it allows, But what's your ideal

894
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: like always closer the better? But but what's that like

895
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: magic circle to that bird.

896
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: You know.

897
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 3: I think, like you know, seventy five to one hundred

898
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 3: yards is like red zone for a turkey, Like I

899
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 3: think if you can get into that range, I mean

900
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 3: I've had so many times, not a ton, but I've

901
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 3: killed quite a few birds in my life where I

902
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 3: heard them or I knew they were there and I

903
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: got into as close as I was like, this is

904
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: as much as I'm gonna risk it, and I'll scratch

905
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 3: out a spot to sit and that's enough. I mean,

906
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 3: they're coming because you're just you're there, you know, And

907
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 3: it's so for me, it's it's, you know, pretty close.

908
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: But you know, if you get to seventy five yards

909
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: on a bird and you especially early season, you're in

910
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 3: trouble a lot of times. And so it kind of

911
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 3: depends if it's earlier late and I'm I'm not huge

912
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 3: on pushing it too much, you know, like if I

913
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 3: know there's a bird there and I think I can

914
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 3: work him, I don't need to be super close, and

915
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: so I would say just kind of again, be a

916
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: little bit cautious. But sometimes the terrain lets you get

917
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 3: right there, you know. I mean I killed a bird

918
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 3: in Nebraska a few years ago with my bow. It

919
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: was just strutting his ass off on a ridge top

920
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 3: and he was I couldn't get him down to where

921
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 3: I was. And I got up there and I got

922
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: real close to that bird because I had a quiet

923
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: way to get up there, and I called him over

924
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,959
Speaker 3: that ridge because I was like twenty yards away before

925
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 3: I made a peep. And then you know, you're I mean,

926
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: you're talking a little soft, you know, like real, You're

927
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 3: not gonna blow his ears out here. But for that

928
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: bird to walk over and look, you know, and if

929
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 3: you can get to like fifty yards on him even

930
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 3: you know, especially if you're gun hunting man, they're gonna

931
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 3: give you your look like you're you're gonna get your chance,

932
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 3: but you better be ready.

933
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: Is there ever a situation where you feel like stalking

934
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: the turkey is the right answer versus setting up and

935
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: trying to call? Have you ever?

936
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: You know, I I've killed birds that way.

937
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: I don't like it.

938
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it, you can do it, you know.

939
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 3: I just love calling them, you know, I love I

940
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 3: love that part of the process. And so that's that's

941
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 3: part of the reason I bowl on them so much,

942
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: is it's such an accomplishment to me, just get them,

943
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: you know, like my decoys are seven yards away and

944
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 3: I want them. I want them to buy the whole thing,

945
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: you know, And so yeah, I mean you can do it,

946
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 3: but it's you know, especially when you're out west and

947
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 3: they're super visible, like that's a that's a possibility. But

948
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: if you want to, if you want to really enjoy

949
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 3: turkey hunting, you learn how to call.

950
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love calling them. But there was there

951
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: was one bird where I had just got my ass

952
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: whipped all morning. Right we were on six or seven setups.

953
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: I had lost a couple of decoys because I didn't

954
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: want to go grab them while I was still trying

955
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: to stay with the birds. And you know, they had

956
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 1: one of those nasty old boss hens that just drug

957
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: them away from our setup every time. And as much

958
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: as I'd rather call them in, like there was something

959
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: satisfying about, you know, a flock of I think it

960
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: was fourteen or fifteen birds, and I enjoyed it. But yeah,

961
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 1: they're on public ground. It's always a little bit dangerous. Yep,

962
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're and but yeah, it's it's definitely

963
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: a different challenge. But but I think I'm like, you'd

964
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: rather call them in, And that leads me to my

965
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: next question. We talk a lot about calling birds on

966
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 1: and cutting distance, but can you kind of roll through

967
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: kind of your calling system, Like is there a strategy

968
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: you've mentioned in the past on public land sometimes you'll

969
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: actually do the opposite of what you think call out

970
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: or if you're hunting private birds, like just kind of

971
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: go through your your calling system if there is one,

972
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 1: or so.

973
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 3: I like to unless I unless I know where the

974
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 3: birds are and I know the birds I'm working, are

975
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: you know they're three hundred yards away or whatever. Let's

976
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: just say, if I'm running and gunning and I set

977
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: up in a spot, I stop at a spot, I'm

978
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 3: my god, is the spot? I'm always going to check

979
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 3: them real quiet, like real soft yelps, a little bit

980
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 3: of per and maybe just to see you know, because

981
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: a lot of times you might not get a tom

982
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 3: to gobble, but you'll get a hand to respond. And

983
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: so they I mean, they almost always give you a

984
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 3: courtesy yelp.

985
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: Right, so not to stop you here real quick. So

986
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: even if you think you're a couple hundred yards away,

987
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna go to Turkey calls versus using your locators

988
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: anymore or or like, That's one thing I still struggle

989
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: with is we think there's a bird here, I almost

990
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: want to know where he's at. Again. Do you go

991
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: to your turkey calls now or do you go to

992
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: your locators?

993
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:26,479
Speaker 2: I don't.

994
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: I go to my turkey calls mostly if I'm if

995
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 3: I'm in a situation where I'm moving and there's times

996
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: where I'm going to use a locator a lot. But

997
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 3: if I'm just going through the states of the dead

998
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 3: time in the morning and I don't have much going on,

999
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 3: if I find a place where I'm like, I want

1000
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: to set up here, right for whatever reason, this is

1001
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 3: the spot, and I'm committed to it already, I'm gonna

1002
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: set up, and I'm gonna start soft, and you know,

1003
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: I'll ramp it up if I don't get a response

1004
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: after a while. But almost every calling sequence that I

1005
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 3: have that's a cold call, I'm starting off so off

1006
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 3: just in case, and then I never leave without doing

1007
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 3: a locator, you know, one more, Yeah, just going away, Yeah,

1008
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: just because you know, like you don't know man like that,

1009
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: he might not hit anything you make in that crow

1010
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 3: caller that awl who might get him, or you know,

1011
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 3: you gobble and the depending on where you're at, gobble

1012
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 3: with a mouth, callar whatever.

1013
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, it just depends.

1014
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: But I always I always just assume, like, maybe there's

1015
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 3: one close and I want to, like, I want to

1016
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 3: know it, even if it's just a lone hen or something.

1017
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 3: I want to know they're there before I really ramp

1018
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: it up.

1019
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: So are you are you under the idea that you

1020
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: just kind of feed him what he likes? Are you

1021
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: going to start with real soft clucks and purrs and

1022
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: then kind of graduate are you going to always go

1023
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: to our seventh You know, we talked about the seven

1024
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: to nine note yop like is there? You know, we

1025
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: always talk about levels of threat when we're elk hunting.

1026
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: You know, we're we go in there. We don't necessarily

1027
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: want to. We do at times depending on the bulls

1028
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: demeanor leading up to that. But you know, we may

1029
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: rip his head off right off the bat, or we

1030
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: may like, let's try a cal cal, see if he

1031
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: hooks on that, and then if not, let's try an

1032
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: excited cal cal and if that doesn't work, maybe we'll

1033
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: do like a little moaning bugle, you know, and you

1034
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: kind of run these progressions because there is times no

1035
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: matter how much we get uh, you know, we get

1036
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: accused of biggling too much into aggressively. There are some

1037
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: progressions we run kind of what's your thought there? Are

1038
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 1: you gonna just kind of start like the lowest level

1039
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: or are you just gonna read the situation or what's

1040
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: the first peep coming out of your mouth? And how

1041
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: do you decide? Kind of.

1042
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 3: I start quiet, but I don't stay there very long.

1043
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: And if you know, especially if I've got a bird,

1044
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 3: I'm like that bird's hot, or I've got a hen

1045
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 3: that's responding. When I get a hen to respond, I

1046
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 3: go after her hard.

1047
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: I don't.

1048
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: I'm not a I get after it like I like,

1049
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 3: you know, because we always think, like you know, softer

1050
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 3: is always better, and I do like to start that way.

1051
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: But I like to have a conversation with them.

1052
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: And I think you I think you can turn them on,

1053
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 3: you know, like I think you get those birds that yeah,

1054
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 3: I'll respond, But if you're you know, three or five

1055
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: yelps and you're done, or you know, just just soft

1056
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 3: stuff like they're like, yeah, that's what turkeys do when

1057
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: they're not really doing anything. But you know, like you

1058
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 3: mentioned that, you know, boss hen leading that gobbler away.

1059
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 3: Like my favorite thing is when I get that hen

1060
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 3: to talk to me and I can piss her off

1061
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 3: up on her. Yeah, if you get that hen, if

1062
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 3: you get a hen that's that's angry and she starts cutting,

1063
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 3: you're gonna get a bird fired out, Like there's there's

1064
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: nothing better out there. And you know, I really learn

1065
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 3: this hunt fall birds because hens get real territorial in

1066
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 3: the fall and they'll come in and chest bump decoys.

1067
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: I mean, you see it in the spring too, but

1068
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: it's real common in the fall for them to get

1069
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: territorial over food sources. And man, when you get them

1070
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 3: going and they're pissed, the world changes. And so I mean,

1071
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 3: if you have a live hen doing that, that's great.

1072
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 3: But you can do that. I mean, I can do

1073
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 3: that with a mouth call on and a pot call

1074
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: and you know you can do it with a box

1075
00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 3: call too, But you can make that like confrontation shou happen,

1076
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 3: and Tom's just freaking love it.

1077
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm with you, Like, there's nothing better than

1078
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: when you get a tom hooked on cutting, because then

1079
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, like you're at the you know, you can

1080
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: just be as aggressive as possible, and you know when

1081
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: they gobble every cut, you're just like, the game's too easy.

1082
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: I don't want to say too easy at that point,

1083
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: but it's that it's way better than the bird where

1084
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: you're like, all he doesn't answer klucks, he doesn't answer

1085
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: it a yelop. You know, it's like you're trying to

1086
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: figure out what's gonna work, and maybe you know nothing does.

1087
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm similar. You kind of start slow, but

1088
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: as you know, you run through your four or five

1089
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: different progressions and if none of them hook, you run

1090
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: back through them loud, and then if nothing hooks, you're

1091
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: just like, all right, I don't know what to do

1092
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: or it's gonna be a real tough bird to call him.

1093
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think similar to you, we go loud

1094
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: real quick, and.

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00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 3: I mean, but you're you're also at like a huge

1096
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: advantage if you can see them right, you know, cause

1097
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 3: I mean, you see this a lot where you know that,

1098
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 3: especially like a Loane Toms, you see us a lot

1099
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 3: where they'll come out in the field, they're scratching. You know,

1100
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 3: they'll throw you some struts, gobbles, whatever, like they're they're

1101
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: kind of doing the thing, but you can tell it's

1102
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 3: probably not the bird you want to just go after.

1103
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 3: He can see your decoys, he can hear you, and

1104
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 3: I go the opposite way with a bird like that,

1105
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 3: if I can watch him where then I do a

1106
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 3: lot of soft purring and clucking and just like little

1107
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 3: hen chatter back and forth where it's you know, if

1108
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 3: you're gun hunting. It's different with bowl hunting because a

1109
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 3: lot of times they won't commit right to the decoys,

1110
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: but you'll get that drive by and they'll be in

1111
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 3: gun range and it's one of those things it's just

1112
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 3: kind of like it kind of just like pulls them closer.

1113
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 3: Whether it's not that typical run in and just make

1114
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 3: it happen, but they're like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna

1115
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 3: get closer to you.

1116
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: Ladies just cuts yep.

1117
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: And that's we could ask quite a bit like when

1118
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: do you just stop calling you because you hear a

1119
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: lot of you know, that's just as in my opinion,

1120
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: sometimes just as valuable as the calling, especially turkeys, and

1121
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: I use that no calling is when you've got a

1122
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: turkey that's not super fired up, not super interested, but

1123
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: it seems like he's closed some distance. I'll just go

1124
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: to like similar to you all setme, I watch for

1125
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. He obviously knows exactly what tree I'm under.

1126
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: When he gets to a certain spot, he's gonna be

1127
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: able to see my decoys. One thing I have to

1128
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 1: do is just make sure my gun's kind of pointed

1129
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: in this somewhat right direction, because he's gonna probably be

1130
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: silent as I'm silent. But yeah, you either be quiet

1131
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: and then either one he'll come all the way in

1132
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: silent or he gets he gets a little bit frustrated,

1133
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: maybe five, seven, ten minutes into that wait and I'll

1134
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: finally gobble again. And then it seems like you can

1135
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: get him fired up after that versus like just giving him.

1136
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of when I'll use that silent

1137
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: treatment is when I think I got something semi interested,

1138
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: kind of knows where we're at. There's not a lot

1139
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: more calling needed. He's either gonna come or not, And

1140
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: then just go quiet for a little bit.

1141
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that bird that lets you know he's there

1142
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 3: and is just doesn't feel workable. You just gotta let

1143
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: it breathe for a while and you know. I mean

1144
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 3: sometimes they come in, sometimes they don't. But sometimes in

1145
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: that situation, all it takes is another bird somewhere else,

1146
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 3: you know. I mean you see this a lot on

1147
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 3: a field edge where you're calling to that bird and

1148
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: he's strutting. He's not coming. He can he can see

1149
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 3: the decoys. He's like, you guys can see me. And

1150
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 3: then you know, two jakes walk out in the other

1151
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: corner or something. You know, something changes the dynamic and

1152
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 3: then all all of the sudden, you know, like now

1153
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 3: he's callable. But that is a you know, learning that,

1154
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 3: like you can't like you could tell people that like,

1155
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 3: oh you got to take a break, like that's like

1156
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 3: just an experienced thing.

1157
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I have to put it through through a

1158
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: lot of time, Like you say, just just let it

1159
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 1: Breathe is sometimes gonna gonna get that that that turkey

1160
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: fired up even more. In closing, what is one tip

1161
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: you would give a turkey hunter to help them find

1162
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: success this this spring as far as like, you know,

1163
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: an idea theme, you know calling, uh, you know, perseverance,

1164
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: whatever it may be.

1165
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 3: You know, I would We talked a lot about scouting,

1166
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 3: but I I I honestly think what makes turkey hunters

1167
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: is just confidence with the calls. And so I would

1168
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 3: say I think everybody should know how to use a

1169
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: mouth call just because and you know whatever, people have

1170
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 3: their preferences, but I would say, if nothing else, figure

1171
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: out how to yelp well with something you know. And

1172
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 3: I like, you know, I like mouth calls for a

1173
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 3: lot of reasons, but I would say, learn something. Learn that,

1174
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 3: like you don't have to you know, purse clucks whatever,

1175
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 3: Like you don't have to do you can kill a

1176
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 3: lot of birds just yelping, but you gotta know how

1177
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 3: to do it. And it's it is not a sound

1178
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 3: when you listen to somebody yelp. You know, it's like

1179
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 3: a two note sound. And people listen to other callers

1180
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 3: and it's like too fast. The cadence is just a

1181
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 3: little off and they're not breaking that that note right,

1182
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 3: Like it's just like a one note, too fast cadence

1183
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 3: and it's unnatural. But you know, if you listen to

1184
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 3: somebody do it, it's like, okay, well it doesn't it

1185
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 3: sounds like a turkey whatever. Then you listen to a

1186
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 3: real turkey and you go, okay, they're a lot slower,

1187
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 3: and there's like a real distinct break in each yelp,

1188
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 3: And I say, just like, master that as best. You

1189
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 3: can work on it in your truck when you're driving whatever.

1190
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 3: Because once you get that confidence, you're gonna call in

1191
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 3: more birds. You're gonna hear them make real sounds, and

1192
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 3: you're just gonna your your vocabulary is gonna expand.

1193
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 2: But you got to have that confidence first.

1194
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: Yep. Perfect, Perfect, So, Tony, how can people find out

1195
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: more about you? How they can they follow along with

1196
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: what you're doing? Yeah?

1197
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 3: They can, Uh, you know, head on over to Instagram

1198
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 3: at Tony J.

1199
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 2: Peterson.

1200
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm a meat eater full timer, so

1201
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 3: all of my stuff is at the medeater dot com

1202
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 3: writing tons of.

1203
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: Tons of Turkey articles right now.

1204
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: Perfect.

1205
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's you know, there's a lot of good

1206
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 3: information out there.

1207
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, really appreciate you having on here, are having

1208
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: you on here today? Wealth of information both Whitetail and

1209
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 1: obviously Turkey.

1210
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 3: So we got to talk to Turkey, but we got

1211
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 3: to talk white Tales, but.

1212
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna have We're gonna get you dialed up here

1213
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,479
Speaker 1: for a white Tail episode for sure.

1214
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Speaker 3: Awesome, Thanks man, Thanks a lot, Tony,