WEBVTT -  Part Three: P. Diddy: A Life in Crimes

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, it's Behind the Bastards, a podcast hosted by a

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<v Speaker 2>man who is legally a judge and his friend Greezy Will,

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<v Speaker 2>who is legally greasy Will legally.

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<v Speaker 3>Not allowed to drive anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh really did that happen?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, every time you said colmbs with an L,

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<v Speaker 3>I took a sip over the last two episodes.

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<v Speaker 4>So now I'm just trash man.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope you've enjoyed this Behind the Bastards drinking game

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<v Speaker 3>that I have embarked upon.

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<v Speaker 2>Go back in time and just have like, what about

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen shots? Yeah? Uh So the late nineteen nineties is

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<v Speaker 2>an era in which Bad Boy Records is growing by

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<v Speaker 2>leaps and bounds and Diddy is getting rich as buck.

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<v Speaker 2>We are talking the insane pile, the cash pile so

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<v Speaker 2>large that you're only op is to either get really

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<v Speaker 2>into cocaine or start a series of ill conceived small businesses.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, absolutely, Diddy, I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure does both. Actually two choices.

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<v Speaker 2>Wher's gonna sit in that failure.

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<v Speaker 3>While I was gonna make a decision to step out

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<v Speaker 3>of the darkness and die into the darkness, buddy, He.

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<v Speaker 2>Steps out of the darkness to launch a restaurant called Justin.

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<v Speaker 2>This is named after his oldest son. He starts the

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<v Speaker 2>first Justin in New York City in nineteen ninety seven,

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<v Speaker 2>and he franchises it out to Atlanta the following year.

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<v Speaker 2>The New York location shuts down after about a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>Sean claims because he wanted to find a larger location,

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<v Speaker 2>but he just never opens a new one.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it just failed.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the story of my mom when she said

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<v Speaker 3>she was going to build the house on top of

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<v Speaker 3>the basement that we lived in, and then we just

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<v Speaker 3>lived in a basement for like eight years.

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<v Speaker 4>Good times, Mom.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Diddy's version that now the Atlanta location hangs

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<v Speaker 2>on a little while longer. It eventually shuts down in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve. Why here's a summary from an article in

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<v Speaker 2>b Et in July twenty eleven. Did he was sued

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<v Speaker 2>after music executive Tony Austen, a patron of the Atlanta Eatery,

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<v Speaker 2>was shot in the parking lot. Austin, former a and

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<v Speaker 2>R for Deaf Jam and the president of Russell Simmons

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<v Speaker 2>Music Group, says he was in his car listening to

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<v Speaker 2>music with another man when someone opened fire on the vehicle.

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<v Speaker 2>Austin alleged that the proprietors of Justin's were aware of

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous and hazardous conditions at the establishment, but failed to

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<v Speaker 2>provide warning or security.

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<v Speaker 3>Now isn't that something?

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that something shocking? Shocking?

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<v Speaker 4>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>By the time Justin's opened, Sean had split from Justin's

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<v Speaker 2>mother to date a model named Kim Porter, who gave

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<v Speaker 2>him his second son. In nineteen ninety eight, he launched

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<v Speaker 2>a fashion label, Sean John Sean John, Yeah man.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was the it brand. You know, I was

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<v Speaker 3>the shit. It was Boss and Sean John and foubu Man.

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<v Speaker 2>We can say markedly more successful than his restaurant.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, I need a fact check you on the oldest

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<v Speaker 1>son thing. He has an adopted son who's older named Quincy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, and his adopted son who is older named Quincy. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>interesting fascinating name. Now that year, the year that he

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<v Speaker 2>starts Shawn John, he is nominated for five Grammys. If

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<v Speaker 2>you want to know what a Grammy looks like, just

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<v Speaker 2>look behind Will.

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<v Speaker 4>And do a right on camera.

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<v Speaker 3>Off.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess, but I wasn't in the mood to turn

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<v Speaker 4>it back on.

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<v Speaker 2>I noticed an episode you got it fucking back lit

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<v Speaker 2>was the first thing you did with that take a

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<v Speaker 2>shot out of it?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, absolutely?

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, you know what, to be fair, this is

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<v Speaker 3>behind the Bastards little we should do this on air

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<v Speaker 3>because like you know, it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, what else do you do when you get a Grammy?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>So also true.

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<v Speaker 3>I need you to understand that when I got this Grammy,

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<v Speaker 3>I was about to have a kid. At the time,

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<v Speaker 3>I had a bad month where my car the transmission dot.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just basically my point is I had like maybe

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<v Speaker 3>like five hundred dollars in my account.

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<v Speaker 4>I still spent two hundred dollars on a bottle of

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<v Speaker 4>Don Julio.

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<v Speaker 2>Priorities are important so that.

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<v Speaker 3>I could take a shot out of my Grammy, because

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<v Speaker 3>that's the only reason to get one of these things.

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<v Speaker 3>What kind of like what kind of person gets this

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<v Speaker 3>to brag to their friends? No, like, this is to

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<v Speaker 3>take shots out of because it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're not going to get content like this from

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<v Speaker 2>the pod Save America.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not getting it from the Bowlwark, You're not getting

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<v Speaker 2>it from last podcast on the left. Only Behind the Bastards.

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<v Speaker 4>This is basically when Elon smoked a.

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<v Speaker 2>Blood honestly, maybe Joe Rogan, you might get this on

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Rogan, you would.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna lie, although we would both be racist

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<v Speaker 3>and one of us have some sex pest crimes behind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you would be trying to convince my listeners to

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, inject bleach into their assholes in order

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<v Speaker 2>to build muscle masts.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, eating like six hundred like like worms or silkworms

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<v Speaker 3>specifically silkworms. Eat silkworms for your colon health.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'd be trying. Well, I do actually think

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<v Speaker 2>you should eat more elk. It's delicious, now, delicious, It's

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<v Speaker 2>very tasty.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>So that year, the same year he opened Sean John,

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<v Speaker 2>he gets nominated for five Grammys. Bad Boy pulls in

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and thirty million dollars in revenue.

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<v Speaker 4>What year is that?

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<v Speaker 2>That is ninety eight?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So do you know what Grammys those were that

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<v Speaker 4>he won?

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<v Speaker 2>That? I don't know. I could have looked that up,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm a hack and a fraud. Now, from this

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<v Speaker 2>point forward in the story, Sean has infinite money, right,

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<v Speaker 2>which he still does basically so now, as I noted

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<v Speaker 2>last episode, he'd always had a knack for throwing huge

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<v Speaker 2>media driven parties, and now that he was actually a

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<v Speaker 2>major celebrity himself, he kicked things up several notches. Nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety eight is also the year of his first white party.

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<v Speaker 2>These were the events where he'd invite piles of celebrities

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<v Speaker 2>to his mansion in the Hamptons for what inevitably became

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<v Speaker 2>the big event of the summer. And part of it

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<v Speaker 2>is he becomes like the first black guy to move

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<v Speaker 2>into this very rich white neighborhood. The white parties are

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<v Speaker 2>in part how he kind of makes his neighbors cool

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<v Speaker 2>with him is like, hey, you're some like lame bank ceo.

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<v Speaker 2>You can be at this party with these cool people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is starting to happen in the era of

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<v Speaker 3>the Internet, right, It's like.

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<v Speaker 4>This is ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 3>This is like the beginning of the internet, where like

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<v Speaker 3>being seen with all these different like coop hit people

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<v Speaker 3>that are like being because the white parties, you see

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<v Speaker 3>the pictures of them, it's everybody's at all of entertainment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and everyone wears white because did he thought he

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<v Speaker 2>looked good and white? And to be honest, like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to be complimenting the man, but he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>look bad. That's not a bad look for him.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not a bad The parties like legit, it's like

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<v Speaker 3>a pair of air ones, Dude, they look good the

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<v Speaker 3>first time you wear them. And that is white, dude.

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<v Speaker 3>White is the first time you wear it. It is

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<v Speaker 3>the most beautiful, pristine, amazing looking thing. Now yeah, then

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<v Speaker 3>he have what like nine PM that white starts getting

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<v Speaker 3>kind of groady.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, part of what I love is you can really

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<v Speaker 2>see the whole like he is, you know, part of

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<v Speaker 2>the point of these parties is for like people who

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<v Speaker 2>are rich but not very cool to get to feel cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at some of the people below him, like that

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<v Speaker 2>guy in the front, Like they're just wearing white T shirts.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't look like a rap star.

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<v Speaker 3>Like.

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<v Speaker 2>You get this wild mix of like beautiful people and

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<v Speaker 2>also sometimes beautiful people looking just like normal weirdos at

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<v Speaker 2>a party, but which I always think is really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got like part of it is because these first

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<v Speaker 2>white parties are from the era before like there's no

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<v Speaker 2>social media, so there's no social media filters, photoshop tools

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<v Speaker 2>aren't as easy to use, so you get a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of shots of famous people actually looking like normal people

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<v Speaker 2>at a party, like here's Leo DiCaprio and some other

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<v Speaker 2>dudes drinking champagne, smoking cigarettes and like not particularly looking

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<v Speaker 2>like they're crazy rich and famous. Like it looks like

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty dude for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And then Sophie's gonna show you next Regis Philbn.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's a photo of.

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<v Speaker 2>Regis Philbin and I can only describe the look on

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<v Speaker 2>his face. He looks like he is smiling like the devil.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he like like you would cast him in needful things.

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<v Speaker 2>He is selling you a cursed petrola. That's how Regis

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<v Speaker 2>looks in this photo. And there's a couple other middle

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<v Speaker 2>aged white dudes in there, one of whom is grabbing

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<v Speaker 2>a young woman's arm in a way that I would

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<v Speaker 2>say looks kind of off.

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<v Speaker 4>Putting to me. But I don't know what was going on.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that.

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<v Speaker 1>The wedding cross designer? I can't, I don't I can't tell.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that it's all of these people are rich,

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<v Speaker 2>some of them are famous. I don't think that bald

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<v Speaker 2>guy got famous for being a hip hop star.

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<v Speaker 3>The only poor people at these parties were the people

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<v Speaker 3>catering it, and yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And the people being sex trafficked.

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<v Speaker 1>I look at like I'm not.

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<v Speaker 4>Like the devil. Yeah, my hands are too much.

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<v Speaker 2>I can see both of my hands. I ain't fucking

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<v Speaker 2>up this?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh was it?

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<v Speaker 2>He wants to be a millionaire?

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<v Speaker 3>At this point? I wish that we could just really see,

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<v Speaker 3>like if there was a guilt aura around every person

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<v Speaker 3>that existed in this picture, like like green to red,

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<v Speaker 3>and in a scale of colors, and the redder you are,

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<v Speaker 3>the guiltier you.

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<v Speaker 4>Are is a human being, because.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's gonna be a fascinating shade above that crowd there.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's gonna have an aura that looks like the drink

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<v Speaker 2>of the guy on the left, which is red.

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<v Speaker 3>You are just as likely to be completely innocent in

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<v Speaker 3>one of those. Well, and here's the thing, as you

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<v Speaker 3>are to parties complicit in all the bullshit he did.

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<v Speaker 2>There are definitely, especially at the end at the after parties,

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<v Speaker 2>the night parts which not everyone stays for. There are

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<v Speaker 2>definitely some sex crimes here. These are not the diddy

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<v Speaker 2>parties where most of the sex trafficking.

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<v Speaker 3>Happily, he should be mentioned, but these are two different events.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a reason for it. The white parties are his

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<v Speaker 2>pr This is where he goes to his legitimacy into

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<v Speaker 2>the rich white community like the Hampton's and all that bullshit.

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<v Speaker 2>But also, you know, like they're legitimacy into the black

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<v Speaker 2>community as well, right, right, And that is the point

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<v Speaker 2>of these and so these are largely less sketchy events

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<v Speaker 2>for that reason. And it is he has another kind

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<v Speaker 2>of party with another name that we'll be talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>That is where most of it. I'm not saying like

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<v Speaker 2>there's no sex crimes happening here. There's definitely drugs, but

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that someone was at a white party doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean that they committed sex crimes. So I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>Regis Philbin is a sex pest. I don't know Regis.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe there have been allegations against him. If so, then

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I am. But I don't know that. But

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<v Speaker 2>these are his show parties, and he's a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>careful about what happens here. The other parties, the parties

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<v Speaker 2>you have heard stories about with the baby oil and

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<v Speaker 2>the sex crimes, are what he called his freak off parties,

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<v Speaker 2>like a dance off. But you know, with your freak,

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<v Speaker 2>get you.

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<v Speaker 4>A freak ca, Yeah, I shouldn't laugh there, dark they're dark.

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<v Speaker 2>These are the sex crime parties. If someone went to

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<v Speaker 2>a freak off, you should assume they did some bad stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, in almost every single one of these stories there

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<v Speaker 3>is a victim. There is very little willing participants of

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<v Speaker 3>these things, like even the people who are willing participants

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<v Speaker 3>might be coerced. Willing partilois, yeah, murky with a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of the stuff that goes on a lot of power.

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<v Speaker 2>Bird lines, you could say yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah there and again this is definitely the place where

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<v Speaker 3>we start talking about where blurred lines the.

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<v Speaker 2>Idlnes and people are also just doing lines.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yes, yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 3>He wasn't explicitly making me do this, but I knew

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<v Speaker 3>that I could not say no type R shit, And

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<v Speaker 3>that is very very strong in the Diddy story for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And another big part of it is because there's different

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<v Speaker 2>gradients of cases, a lot of these people are like, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I said yes, and I agreed, and nobody threatened me.

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<v Speaker 2>But also I was there because I had just gotten

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<v Speaker 2>started in this industry and I'm in front of the

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<v Speaker 2>guy who could make my career, and like, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>think I had any other opp Like these are also

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<v Speaker 2>some of the things that are I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>We're into now the beginning of the Justin Bieber territory,

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<v Speaker 3>which is like very much the Usher situation between Puffy

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<v Speaker 3>and Usher and then Usher and Justin Bieber and Justin Bieber,

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<v Speaker 3>and there is a lot of like questionable interactions, like

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<v Speaker 3>Justin Bieber spending a weekend at Puffy's house at like.

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<v Speaker 4>What like twelve years old or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's like some weird activity that happened that at

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<v Speaker 3>the time, we saw it happen and we were like,

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<v Speaker 3>huh okay, you know, like but like everybody now is

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<v Speaker 3>definitely able to look at those situations and be like,

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<v Speaker 3>that's actually no, that's weird, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>But the nineties, hey, let's be fair.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the ninety thousands, you know, we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>Bieber probably for twelve year old Justin Bieber to be

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<v Speaker 2>at Ditty's.

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<v Speaker 4>House, Who am I to judge? Who are we We

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<v Speaker 4>should have judged?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we should have.

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<v Speaker 4>We should have been at.

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<v Speaker 2>The white parties. Like, the most intense photo I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>is Sean Pouring's champagne for what The New York Post

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<v Speaker 2>describes as two unidentified near naked women. It doesn't look

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<v Speaker 2>nearly as sketchy as they describe it. The Post and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of other tabloid coverage of these events does

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<v Speaker 2>tend towards sensationalism about the wrong things. For example, this

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<v Speaker 2>piece from September inside Sean Diddy Combs is Hampton sex

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<v Speaker 2>parties featuring gay rappers who were high on kenemy. And

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<v Speaker 2>like you and I have both been to parties with

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<v Speaker 2>gay rappers.

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<v Speaker 4>High on ketamine.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not the problem. Yeah, not at some gay rappers

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<v Speaker 2>are doing ketamine. That's not what's the issue.

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<v Speaker 4>Someone say that was the best part of the party.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, those gay rappers probably not committing sex crimes sometimes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>But the point is, here's the thing is, like those

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<v Speaker 3>those white parties, those were those were press events. You

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<v Speaker 3>don't exactly press at sex crime parties, right, press at

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<v Speaker 3>the events.

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<v Speaker 2>Where they're committing sex crimes, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, unless unless you know that's part of the blackmail,

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<v Speaker 4>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but like not that the two ven diagram circles

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<v Speaker 3>didn't interconnect. But without it, you know, it's like you

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<v Speaker 3>don't invite the press to the parties where you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to do the bad ship.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, because he's not again, he's not stupid. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why he got away with this for so long. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure how seriously to take this post article,

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<v Speaker 2>which has its source as just one anonymous coke dealer,

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<v Speaker 2>which again not necessarily the most credible people on the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's a quote. The dealer said, did he opened

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<v Speaker 2>the door to his former Hampton's mansion while wearing nothing

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<v Speaker 2>but a robe and brought him to a back bedroom

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<v Speaker 2>to make a cocaine deal. Weird shit was starting to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Celebrity guys fucking each other. There were back bedrooms and

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<v Speaker 2>it was like the inner sanctum, And this dealer talks

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<v Speaker 2>about it, like I lost a lot of respect for

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<v Speaker 2>those guys. He's not talking about the sexcer He's talking

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<v Speaker 2>about like people having gay sex, famous people fucking each

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<v Speaker 2>other in a gay way, which is like, fine, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not the.

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<v Speaker 3>Way like the representatives to be talking about any of

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<v Speaker 3>this stuff. But Yeah, as far as I have ever

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<v Speaker 3>experienced inside of like the hip hop culture of America,

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<v Speaker 3>it has only recently become taboo to say the e

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<v Speaker 3>F slur. It's not like that was an insult for

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<v Speaker 3>most of the two thousands, you know. It's like it

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<v Speaker 3>did not until like twenty fifteen feel like it fell

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<v Speaker 3>off the radar for that to be part of like

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<v Speaker 3>your insult to another person is that they have gay

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<v Speaker 3>sex with a person. So it's like, certainly there is

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<v Speaker 3>a vested interest in not publicizing this. Yes, people not

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<v Speaker 3>knowing that it exis could be very being a secret

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<v Speaker 3>of you because you would be looked at differently, especially

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<v Speaker 3>at this time, but even now, you will be looked

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<v Speaker 3>at differently for these types of actions.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's you know, the dealer claims he also saw

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<v Speaker 2>a mix of female rappers and prostitutes having sex there,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's kind of where we do get into because

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<v Speaker 2>again some of there's probably some trafficking at the white parties.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's unclear to me is he talking about a

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<v Speaker 2>white party or a freak off it's at the Hamptons.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit unclear, but we'll get to that later

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<v Speaker 2>real quick.

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<v Speaker 3>On that same point, I just want to say, at

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<v Speaker 3>any event, right, whether you are in fact a prostitute

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<v Speaker 3>or not, like, there is a certain amount of hiring

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<v Speaker 3>of females to be at a party, to be overly

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<v Speaker 3>friendly to the people at the party, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it's one.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very good to look like there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful women here. Yeah, sure, but also for the people

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<v Speaker 3>that come to these things, they want to feel like

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<v Speaker 3>there's girls that are there that are interested. This happens

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<v Speaker 3>all the way from the normal Hollywood club type event

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<v Speaker 3>all the way up to these parties. So it's not

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<v Speaker 3>like when you talk about the sex trafficking element of

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<v Speaker 3>all these things, like it may be somewhat innocent, but

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<v Speaker 3>there's always an element of like hiring women to be

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<v Speaker 3>morally available in ways at parties, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely. Now, in nineteen ninety nine, Diddy was arrested

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<v Speaker 2>on felony charges of assault and criminal mischief. The chain

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<v Speaker 2>of events began when Diddy was featured in the music

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<v Speaker 2>video Hate Me Now with Nas. Both Diddy and Nas

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<v Speaker 2>were crucified on a cross, which did he later decided

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<v Speaker 2>was sacrilegious and asked to have cut.

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<v Speaker 4>That's his line. That's his liney, that's where he calls it. Hey, man,

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<v Speaker 4>do not portray me as Jesus being.

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<v Speaker 3>Crucified on a Although I'm not gonna lie twelve year

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<v Speaker 3>old me or whatever it was, I thought that was

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<v Speaker 3>the bangingest video I've ever seen in my life. Like

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<v Speaker 3>I remember that coming out and I remember seeing it

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<v Speaker 3>was on TRL, and I remember my mind being blown,

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<v Speaker 3>just like, oh my god, they crucified them.

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<v Speaker 4>That's so sacrilegious. So to be fair, as.

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<v Speaker 3>A Roman Catholic kid growing up in Pennsylvania in the nineties,

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<v Speaker 3>I did kind of think, Yeah, that, holy shit, that

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<v Speaker 3>was sacrilegious. Like, perspective is a very important piece of

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<v Speaker 3>this whole thing, and in the nineties, that was sacrilegious

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<v Speaker 3>as hell. You know, that was some like Marilyn Manson

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<v Speaker 3>level of sacrilege going on inside of the community.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, So that's what flips him out. And when

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<v Speaker 2>the he decides like, hey, cut this out, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they air the unedited version anyway, and when the version

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<v Speaker 2>with him being crucified airs, he blames the president of

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<v Speaker 2>Interscope Records, Steve Stout, and he bursts in the Stout's

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<v Speaker 2>office with some goons and assault him with quote, a chair,

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<v Speaker 2>a telephone, and a champagne bottle. Stout set of the beating.

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<v Speaker 2>One minute, I'm in the middle of a meeting, and

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<v Speaker 2>the next minute I'm down on the floor and Puffy

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<v Speaker 2>and his guys are kicking and pounding me. One of

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<v Speaker 2>them picks up a chair and throws it at me.

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<v Speaker 2>Then Puffy throws my desk over and they just walk

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<v Speaker 2>out like nothing happened. And his stances, I think they

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<v Speaker 2>were trying to kill me and I just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>happened to not die.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't there. He seems to say it was very serious.

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<v Speaker 2>Combs turned himself in a few days later and was

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<v Speaker 2>charged with felony assault. He was freed on fifteen thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars bail and ultimately pled down to a misdemeanor. His

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<v Speaker 2>sentence was one day of court ordered anger management. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>o oh, Jesus, that's what hundreds of millions of dollars

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<v Speaker 2>gets you in life.

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<v Speaker 3>Man. That's the thing is like money is the savior

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<v Speaker 3>of all problems.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, nearly all. Like as with Epstein, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>eventually hit a line. Speaking of hitting a line, my

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<v Speaker 2>line is it's time for ads. So here you go,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're bad. So three months after he assaults this

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<v Speaker 2>record executive, Combs goes out to a Manhattan nightclub with

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer Lopez, who he was dating at the time. The

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<v Speaker 2>couple were partying when someone else at the club insulted

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<v Speaker 2>Ditty and threatened his protege, a rapper named Shine. A

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<v Speaker 2>rite up in The Independent summarizes what happens next in

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of voice that you usually use for like

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<v Speaker 2>the Israeli military or cops. A dispute ensued, shots were

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<v Speaker 2>fired and three bystanders were injured, including a woman who

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<v Speaker 2>was shot in the face. Comes fled in a Lincoln

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<v Speaker 2>Navigator with j Lo, his bodyguard, and his driver, along

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<v Speaker 2>with a stolen gun none of them had a license for,

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<v Speaker 2>as cops found out when they stopped the car. Colmes

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<v Speaker 2>was found not guilty in March two thousand and one

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<v Speaker 2>a four counts of a legal possession of a gun

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<v Speaker 2>and one count of bribery, after a trial that doubled

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<v Speaker 2>as a media spectacle proving what a force the rapper

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<v Speaker 2>had become. Fans turned up at the courthouse for seven weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>and workers at the building upon his acquittal threw open

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<v Speaker 2>the windows to chant his name and leave him alone.

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<v Speaker 4>Must be nice.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, we have this amazing celebrity worship

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<v Speaker 3>culture in our country. It's just inevitable all the time, right,

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, yeah, we will no matter who finds some

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<v Speaker 3>sort of martyr or savior or just God.

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<v Speaker 4>Didn't whatever exists inside celebrity. They were happy to have that.

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<v Speaker 3>We're happy to have somebody that we can go to

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<v Speaker 3>a courthouse on our day off of work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and cheer when they get off after probably shooting

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<v Speaker 2>a woman in the probably someone. It's one of those

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things that's amazing is that like if

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<v Speaker 2>you read that, like a dispute ensued, shots were fired.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he is so rich at this point that he

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<v Speaker 2>has become included by journalists in the special exonerative grammatical

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<v Speaker 2>case that only get normally. It's like for cops, right,

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<v Speaker 2>shots were fired, someone was hit, there was a gun

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<v Speaker 2>not registered, a legal.

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<v Speaker 4>Gun in his possession.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's just so amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the whole situation, and there's there's still a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of like what happened, Yeah, the story gets really convoluted.

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<v Speaker 3>There's stuff coming out right now about it. You know

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<v Speaker 3>that it's been twenty years and we're still just now

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<v Speaker 3>getting like the pieces that come out about stuff about

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<v Speaker 3>like oh, this actually happened or this person was involved.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's definitely a bit of like you know, lost

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<v Speaker 3>a time and the whole concept of how unreliable human

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<v Speaker 3>beings are, like recounting things that have happened to them,

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<v Speaker 3>even completely sober, with no issues, not at a club

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<v Speaker 3>at two o'clock in the.

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<v Speaker 4>Morning in New York.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I have clear procedural memories of about thirty

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<v Speaker 2>percent of our friendship.

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<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, it's all flashes.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like all flashes. It's lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Turns out, so Combs thanked God after the verdict and

0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:56.240
<v Speaker 2>made a big show of going to church after. To

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<v Speaker 2>further separate himself from the event, he changed his name

0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:03.520
<v Speaker 2>officially to telling Vanity Fair. When I changed names, I

0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:07.720
<v Speaker 2>put periods on those eras and the P Didty era

0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:11.840
<v Speaker 2>I love that got off from a fucking club shooting

0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:16.960
<v Speaker 2>time to become P Diddy. The P Diddy era was lucrative. Indeed,

0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:19.760
<v Speaker 2>he released more albums, he acted in several movies, and

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<v Speaker 2>he started producing reality television. He gets that Sakvod good.

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<v Speaker 4>Deal, right, Yeah, this is right?

0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yep, making the band, yep, making the band.

0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:34.240
<v Speaker 2>In two thousand and two, he won awards for his

0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:38.280
<v Speaker 2>menswear fashion line. Sean John did cause a minor scandal

0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:39.800
<v Speaker 2>for him when it was found that the clothing he

0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:43.080
<v Speaker 2>sold was made in Honduran's sweatshops. With a terrible record

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<v Speaker 2>for workers' rights.

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<v Speaker 3>It happens, doesn't it.

0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:47.040
<v Speaker 4>It happens.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know you're gonna gonna try and get that.

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<v Speaker 4>That canna be some sweatshots.

0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:53.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're gonna have to sweatshot.

0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:55.920
<v Speaker 2>None of that kept him down for long. In two

0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.240
<v Speaker 2>thousand and four, he performed at the Super Bowl, he

0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:00.440
<v Speaker 2>started his famous voter Dyke campaign.

0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:03.080
<v Speaker 4>That election, man, that was huge. If you were a

0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:04.800
<v Speaker 4>teenager in the nineties.

0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:07.080
<v Speaker 2>UD Diddy was telling me to vote yep.

0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:09.679
<v Speaker 4>DP Diddy was recommending people to you.

0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:10.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Money continued to flow by the hundreds of millions. As

0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:16.200
<v Speaker 2>the bushyars came to an end, P did he changed

0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:18.760
<v Speaker 2>his name yet again, this time dropping the P and

0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:23.600
<v Speaker 2>becoming just Diddy. His white parties remained infamous social events,

0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:26.960
<v Speaker 2>but he also held increasing numbers of freak offs. These

0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:30.600
<v Speaker 2>were not for public consumption and acted as an opportunity

0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:33.040
<v Speaker 2>for him to provide himself and his celebrity friends with

0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:36.800
<v Speaker 2>endless young women drugs and young women on drugs. Now,

0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:40.080
<v Speaker 2>this brings me to the story of La Troya Grayson,

0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:42.280
<v Speaker 2>who had aged twenty three to one tickets via a

0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:46.000
<v Speaker 2>radio show to attend a ditty party. Her only recollections

0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:48.879
<v Speaker 2>of the event were meeting Mary J. Blige, having a drink,

0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:52.199
<v Speaker 2>and then blacking out. Because again she was drugged, She

0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 2>has hazy memories of three or four guys she didn't

0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:57.400
<v Speaker 2>know taking her out of the room. She woke up

0:23:57.440 --> 0:24:00.679
<v Speaker 2>in the hospital, very ill and vomiting until she was

0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:04.320
<v Speaker 2>released several hours later. Quote. I left with no shoes on.

0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:06.879
<v Speaker 2>My shirt was kind of ripped. I noticed all my

0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:08.879
<v Speaker 2>money was taken out of my purse except for like

0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:11.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty dollars. I got robbed for my money. I had

0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:13.359
<v Speaker 2>just enough to get back to a motel in a

0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:14.440
<v Speaker 2>cab because.

0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:17.960
<v Speaker 3>So fucked up, Like these people are also not wealthy people.

0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:19.800
<v Speaker 3>They're doing this because they don't have money.

0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:22.879
<v Speaker 2>Out She what a contest on the radio and then

0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:25.639
<v Speaker 2>you get robbed anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>Party now.

0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 2>She also says she realized afterwards that her vagina was sore.

0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:33.760
<v Speaker 2>She's not certain what happened because again she was drugged.

0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:36.159
<v Speaker 2>Drugged almost certainly not a good story.

0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't remember half the things that happened to

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:42.720
<v Speaker 4>me yesterday. Half super you know. Yeah, literally they found

0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:43.679
<v Speaker 4>baby oil.

0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:46.840
<v Speaker 3>With GHB and it. They weren't fucking around up in

0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:49.760
<v Speaker 3>that place a marble. In the wake of all of this,

0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:54.080
<v Speaker 3>I've read a ton of stories of people that have

0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:58.919
<v Speaker 3>recounted like their their Diddy situation, and so many of

0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:05.399
<v Speaker 3>them like induced with drugs in the most despicable ways,

0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:10.000
<v Speaker 3>the unexpected ways, not even drinking ways, like the I

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:13.520
<v Speaker 3>had a soda ways, you know, like not crossing even

0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:16.200
<v Speaker 3>a boundary of alcohol, you know. And it's so it's

0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:19.080
<v Speaker 3>like to see this ship happen to people, It's it's

0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:23.760
<v Speaker 3>like it's it's targeted and mean and shitty. It's like

0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:27.480
<v Speaker 3>it's it's just like, yes, it's evil. It is evil.

0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:30.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm not a god person, but it's evil. It's like

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:33.720
<v Speaker 3>going after people that that are just living normal lives

0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:34.399
<v Speaker 3>and trying.

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<v Speaker 1>To person one a context, one a contest and this

0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:42.800
<v Speaker 1>is what and this is how and this is how

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:45.680
<v Speaker 1>it ended. Like that's disgusting, vile, evil.

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:48.560
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's it's it's horrible. It's like the type of

0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 3>ship that you're like, what the oh.

0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:53.440
<v Speaker 4>And I'm not done with the story, unfortunately.

0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to read next. From an article on MSN.

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<v Speaker 2>After the incident, Grayson flew back to her home state, Oklahoma,

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:02.040
<v Speaker 2>and he claims to have received an unsettling phone call

0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 2>the next day in which a female allegedly attempted to

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:08.480
<v Speaker 2>dissuade Grayson from speaking up Regarding the ordeal, She recounted

0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:11.040
<v Speaker 2>the anonymous woman's warning she had all my information and

0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:13.439
<v Speaker 2>was basically telling me that I couldn't do anything about it,

0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:15.720
<v Speaker 2>that puff Daddy was a famous person and I wouldn't

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:19.240
<v Speaker 2>get anywhere with the issue if I tried to do anything. Puzzled,

0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Grayson queried, so, I'm like, well, how did you even

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:23.760
<v Speaker 2>get my phone number? Do you know anything about my

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:26.080
<v Speaker 2>money being missing? She's like, no, I don't know nothing

0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:28.520
<v Speaker 2>about that. I'm like, well, I mean, how did you

0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:30.040
<v Speaker 2>even get my phone number?

0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:34.560
<v Speaker 3>Rude, man, It's just so dark, dude. This is.

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:37.520
<v Speaker 4>The power dynamic.

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 3>As someone who has been in the industry, right, It's

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:42.920
<v Speaker 3>like even people that.

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 2>You're like a teenager, twenty year old girl whatever from

0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 2>fucking Oklahoma with no money and he has goddamn p daddy.

0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:52.399
<v Speaker 3>Let me let me put this in perspective for people

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:52.880
<v Speaker 3>for real.

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:56.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, all right, I was going into the music industry.

0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:59.600
<v Speaker 3>I was a twenty six year old male, six foot tall,

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:02.240
<v Speaker 3>hundred eighty five pounds in.

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 2>The pretty decent shape, you know, with combat experience.

0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 3>Because I was an ex marine with combat experience who

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 3>had been shot twenty eight times. I felt pressure from

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:18.439
<v Speaker 3>people at times. I felt pressured to do things that

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 3>I didn't want to do at times. You know, So

0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:27.719
<v Speaker 3>in perspective of like being just like a naive person

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:30.800
<v Speaker 3>trying to get into the music industry like young, like

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:34.560
<v Speaker 3>like no real harsh life experience, it is easy to

0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:38.119
<v Speaker 3>see that you could be asked to do something, to

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:40.359
<v Speaker 3>be put in positions as you don't want to be in,

0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:44.560
<v Speaker 3>and how far people will make you go just because

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:48.359
<v Speaker 3>you're afraid, because you're like actually believe that, like, yeah,

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:50.200
<v Speaker 3>you have power that I don't understand.

0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:52.879
<v Speaker 2>And we're talking about the people who know something was

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 2>done to them and who have spoken out about it.

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:56.720
<v Speaker 2>For every one of these not only are there obviously

0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:58.800
<v Speaker 2>there are people who haven't stroken up, but there are

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:01.760
<v Speaker 2>also people who maybe years away from like actually coming

0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 2>to Grips with no, actually that was bad, that was

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 2>like really fucked up what happened? I even thought about

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 2>it as like a good thing for a while, or

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 2>at least like a mixed thing bag form of it, Like, no,

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 2>that was actually really fun. Like, there's people coming to

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:14.600
<v Speaker 2>terms with that right now.

0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:16.600
<v Speaker 4>Still, yeah, absolutely.

0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:18.959
<v Speaker 2>Grayson is not yet part of any of the ongoing

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 2>lawsuits against Sean, but her case represents the edge of

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 2>how women were victimized at his events right in that

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 2>she's not entirely sure what happened or even if she

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 2>was sexually assaulted because again drug, but the well lit

0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:34.200
<v Speaker 2>photos full of celebrities existed for one purpose to burnish

0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:36.879
<v Speaker 2>Sean's image. In order to keep his famous and wealthy

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:39.800
<v Speaker 2>friends happy and to sate his own desires. He also

0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 2>had to bring in cau as you stated, all of

0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 2>these young women to be at the to act as

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 2>party favors. Right, that's how we bring you have these

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:49.239
<v Speaker 2>radio contests. Some of them are paid sex workers, some

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 2>of them are women. Okay, you've just gotten started in

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 2>your career, you know, in the music industry or as

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 2>a model. You're at a low level in it right now.

0:28:57.400 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Why don't you like come over to this party? You know, like,

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 2>why don't you, uh, you know and that, and then

0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 2>you get there and then you get coerced. Some of

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 2>the women at these parties are paid sex workers, but

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:07.760
<v Speaker 2>many of them are like great that women are being

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 2>poached in one way or another. Right, there's a different

0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 2>method for all of them, and that means did he's

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 2>not handling this himself. He has a team of people

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 2>who are using different methods constantly to find women.

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:23.240
<v Speaker 3>Because these parties are nineteen seventies equivalent of the roadie

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:25.240
<v Speaker 3>who picks the girls out of the concert.

0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 4>You know, this look like they're down more people.

0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Than work at the company Sophie and I run. Their

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 2>job is just to keep young women coming to these

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 2>parties as he is spending god knows how many millions

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.560
<v Speaker 2>of dollars a year on just that part of it, right.

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 3>And it shows even when he was busted in Florida,

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 3>I believe it was like he had a drug meal

0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 3>with him at the time. It was like he was

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 3>always employing people to be the bad guy in the situation. Right,

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 3>you have someone right ahead of you with the drugs. Yeah, yes,

0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 3>you give that shit to somebody else. That's their problem

0:29:56.200 --> 0:30:00.320
<v Speaker 3>if they get caught. You have accepted you. You are

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:02.200
<v Speaker 3>the one that goes to jail. You say yes, this

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 3>is mine and you go to jail. That's the accepted

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 3>position of that person for sure.

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Precious Muir a former Playboy model, was one of

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 2>the women who attended a number of his parties. She

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:15.840
<v Speaker 2>claims that he provided a car service to drive models

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 2>to and from the events, and that did he had

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 2>agents basically picking women out in public and plying them

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 2>with invites. She summarized the pitch one of these guys

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 2>gave her as I host these amazing parties. Everything is

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:29.120
<v Speaker 2>taken care of if you don't have to worry about anything.

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 2>We provide accommodation, so when you go to the Hamptons,

0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 2>there is a house you can stay at which is

0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 2>very beautiful, very lavish, very stylish, and you don't have

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 2>to worry about anything. You don't have to pay it

0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 2>for anything. Everything is covered. At the time she started attending,

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Precious was new to the industry, without power or connections.

0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Being invited to these parties seemed like the opportunity of

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:50.320
<v Speaker 2>a lifetime. You can impress these guys, make your career,

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 2>and then you're just kind of, as she said, we

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 2>were kind of thrown in at the deep end amongst

0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 2>all these people that are well established. People automatically knew

0:30:57.200 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 2>that we were new faces, we were new talent, and

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:01.920
<v Speaker 2>we were vulnerable. We were seen maybe as fresh meat.

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:05.400
<v Speaker 3>The power of influence, the power of like being able

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 3>to change your life in a moment.

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, you know, Like we have a thousand of

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 4>these stories.

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 3>We have a thousand of bone thugs in the studio.

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 3>One woman came in and sang the hook, and it

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 3>was the moment of her Like, that's the thing that

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 3>keeps that shit going.

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:20.760
<v Speaker 4>Is the dream.

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:23.479
<v Speaker 2>If you're in entertainment, I can say, like when I

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 2>was new in my career, if I had had to

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 2>do something horrible for myself and my brain and body

0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:32.720
<v Speaker 2>in order to get a break as a writer, when

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I was a baby writer, like I thought about it,

0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 2>like I was like, yeah, I'll do anything, right, Like,

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:40.880
<v Speaker 2>that's where your head is if you're trying to break in,

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:43.960
<v Speaker 2>And that's what that's why so much bad stuff.

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 4>Right right, Like it's the hardest.

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the reward is so great, right, the reward

0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 3>of being like at the top of this industry is

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 3>so great that it is really hard to deny that.

0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 3>There's like, when you want it that bad, right, you

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 3>want it bad enough to put in eighty hours, one

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 3>hundred hours.

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 4>A week doing it?

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right, you also want it bad enough to like

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:08.160
<v Speaker 3>cross some lines every now and then.

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:12.240
<v Speaker 2>You know, and it's difficult to those moments what happens

0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 2>to me?

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:15.200
<v Speaker 4>Right yeah, right, right, everybody goes through that thing.

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 3>It's like, Okay, I'm fine as long as it just

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 3>fucks me up, right, Like that's really the thing.

0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 4>It's just gonna fuck me up. Like I can take

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:26.320
<v Speaker 4>some trauma. Yeah, yeah, I can take some trauma.

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 3>That dude. Everybody that's been in this industry for real

0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:31.720
<v Speaker 3>knows that it's fine if it's fucking me now.

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<v Speaker 4>I have had my own moments of like no, no, no,

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 4>I won't.

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<v Speaker 3>Watch you fuck somebody else up, you know, yeah, And

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 3>I won't watch you do this to another person.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that the problem is that there's just so

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:44.840
<v Speaker 2>many people who don't have that line.

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 3>Right. Of course, the line is also I'll let you

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 3>fuck me up, like I'll let you ruin me yeah.

0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 3>So it's like, as long as no one else is

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 3>seeing that, it's okay.

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So because of the nature of how the lawsuits are

0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:01.240
<v Speaker 2>coming out over there, I have no choice but to

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:03.240
<v Speaker 2>jump around. So I'm just going to stay right now.

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<v Speaker 2>In February of twenty twenty four, a record producer named

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<v Speaker 2>Rodney Jones Junior filed a federal complaint against Sean, accusing

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 2>him of running a human trafficking network to stock his

0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 2>parties with women and girls from a write up and Vulture.

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<v Speaker 2>According to Jones, as he alleges in the complaint, Combs

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 2>reached out to Jones in twenty twenty two to help

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 2>him produce songs, but Jones claims the work Comebs required

0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:27.760
<v Speaker 2>of him went far beyond producing music. He claims in

0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:29.880
<v Speaker 2>the lawsuit that he was tasked with procuring drugs and

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:32.880
<v Speaker 2>soliciting sex workers to perform sex acts to the pleasure

0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:36.040
<v Speaker 2>of mister Combs. Jones alleges that Combs also required him

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 2>to tape these sex acts, and that Combs would often

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 2>threaten to inflict bodily harm on him if he did

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 2>not comply with his demands. Jones alleged in his complaint

0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 2>that Combs kept specific bottles of alcohol designated for females

0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 2>on hand, and according to mister Jones, mister Combs forced

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 2>all the women to drink laced de Leon liquor. Upon

0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 2>information and belief, mister Combs laced the liquor with ecstasy.

0:33:57.440 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 2>The lawsuit claims. He also accuses Combs of sexual harassment

0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 2>and assault for allegedly grabbing him without his consent and

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:06.880
<v Speaker 2>forcing him to work while Comb's paraded around naked. Jones

0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:09.279
<v Speaker 2>also alleges that Combs once left him alone in a

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 2>makeshift studio on a yacht with Cuba Gooding Junior. Goddam,

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 2>I have been twitching with anticipations.

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:18.040
<v Speaker 4>Where comes in?

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:21.320
<v Speaker 3>God damn it, Cuba good enginr Oh my god, dude,

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 3>the fucking Cuba Gooding.

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 2>If he is start to know he gropes the guy.

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:28.040
<v Speaker 4>Folks, he is the worst.

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:32.239
<v Speaker 3>Cuba Gooding Junior. If you are watching on YouTube right

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:33.760
<v Speaker 3>now or whatever, I'm.

0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 4>Here going big twitching waiting.

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:39.719
<v Speaker 3>For Cuba Gooding Junior's name to come out of your mouth,

0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:44.360
<v Speaker 3>because goddamn Cuba Gooding Junior, the disgusting piece of ship.

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 4>Cuba Gooding Junior.

0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:49.320
<v Speaker 3>Every read spend ten minutes of your life and read

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:53.280
<v Speaker 3>about what Cuba Gooding Junior did to this guy, and

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:56.719
<v Speaker 3>then follow that up with a cursory. I mean, the

0:34:56.840 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 3>least the Google search of anything else he's done. That

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 3>guy is the biggest piece of ship that is ever.

0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:07.560
<v Speaker 2>If you've ever wondered like we all did for a

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:09.760
<v Speaker 2>period of time after he won that oscar.

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 4>Why hasn't he been him? Because he's a monster. He's

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:17.760
<v Speaker 4>a monster, because he's fucking monster. This is my Hannibal

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 4>Burta's Bill Cosby moment.

0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:23.359
<v Speaker 3>Fucking Cuba Gooding Junior is a monster and we need

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:28.040
<v Speaker 3>to connect laws and federal goddamn statues against this person.

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 3>He is a horrible human being and and what he

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:33.719
<v Speaker 3>has done to the world is disgusting.

0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:36.799
<v Speaker 2>Take the sanctions off of Cuba, the country and put

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 2>them off onto Cuba the guy immediately immediately.

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 1>You know who he did play though radio? He played

0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>fucking O J.

0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Simpson at that and to be honest, he was king.

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:54.360
<v Speaker 2>He played in the in the TV show where Ross

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 2>from Friends played rock.

0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 4>One of your favorite things, one of my favorite.

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 3>Things, dude. It breaks my heart every time I think

0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:04.239
<v Speaker 3>about that thing, because.

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:06.800
<v Speaker 4>Like, oh God, Cuba good to June is a horrible

0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 4>human being. He did horrible things.

0:36:08.760 --> 0:36:12.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and somehow knocks it out of the park, is Ohjay.

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Not how No, but like has managed to evade all

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:17.839
<v Speaker 3>of this puppy like.

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Hopefully, and that's coming to an end now because stuff

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 2>about him, more stuff is coming out about him, you know,

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 2>we could talk more about Q, but I think we've

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:25.719
<v Speaker 2>we've made our point.

0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 4>He'll get his own episode. Give it time, yeah.

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Combs's lawyers have denied the allegations and described Jones as

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:36.720
<v Speaker 2>a con man. Subsequent allegations and the federal indictment against

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Combs seemed to back up a number of the allegations

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:42.480
<v Speaker 2>made by Jones. A few months before Jones filed that complaint.

0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:45.239
<v Speaker 2>In February and December of twenty twenty three, A Jane

0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Doe filed a lawsuit in Manhattan alleging that she was

0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:51.240
<v Speaker 2>gang raped and trafficked by Combs and Bad Boy Records

0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:54.880
<v Speaker 2>president Harvey Pierre when she was in the eleventh grade.

0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 2>These allegations comport with the scenario Precious Mirror described in

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:02.600
<v Speaker 2>her interview with The Mirror. Apparently, Pierre met this eleventh

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:05.839
<v Speaker 2>grader at a lounge in Detroit and used Diddy's name

0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:08.799
<v Speaker 2>to draw her in. Holmes then approached and told her, Hey,

0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 2>you're welcome on my private jet, which was flying to

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:14.520
<v Speaker 2>his studio. Once they were there, she was given lots

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:17.799
<v Speaker 2>of drugs and quote gang raped by Combs, Pierre, and

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:20.799
<v Speaker 2>an unknown third person. There are a lot of other

0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:23.320
<v Speaker 2>hideous details.

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 4>You know, yes said term gang rate.

0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 3>Make no mistake, this is a story that repeats itself

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:33.759
<v Speaker 3>dozens and dozens of times across every so many to

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:35.960
<v Speaker 3>the point where it starts to be like, oh my god,

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 3>we missed Jimmy Saville for like, yeah, sixty years, we

0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:41.520
<v Speaker 3>didn't see it. He's getting his episode soon.

0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:47.000
<v Speaker 4>We missed it all, oh man, turns out we almost

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 4>always do. Yeah, yeah, we miss it a lot of times.

0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:53.120
<v Speaker 3>Turns out we're not as brilliant as we think we're.

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 4>The rumors abounded.

0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:57.680
<v Speaker 3>There was tons of it happening, like you hear it

0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:01.920
<v Speaker 3>all the time, but you just make like you make

0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:04.719
<v Speaker 3>the decisions to keep yourselves out of those situations a.

0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Smaller scale, just being you know, I've been in comedy.

0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 2>I was adjacent. I was never a big stand up guy,

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 2>but like I did a little and a lot of

0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 2>my friends did. I went out to regular events as

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:16.400
<v Speaker 2>I was employed in comedy, and like you just get

0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:18.360
<v Speaker 2>told by people. You meet someone and they'll be like, oh,

0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:20.000
<v Speaker 2>we should hang out, and then someone else will be like,

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:20.919
<v Speaker 2>don't hang out.

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:23.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, don't, don't don't hang out with.

0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:26.000
<v Speaker 2>And it's usually usually a woman that you work with

0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:27.839
<v Speaker 2>will say like, that guy's piece of shit. You don't

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 2>want to write that guy's a piece of shit. You

0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:31.480
<v Speaker 2>don't want to know them. That guy's a piece like that,

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 2>you know.

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, And I said that earlier too. It's like

0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 3>that old krusty dude that's like, hey man.

0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:38.759
<v Speaker 2>Don't work with that guy. You know, Like, yeah, you

0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:39.440
<v Speaker 2>don't want to be new.

0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:42.879
<v Speaker 3>You hear the stories for a long time before you're

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:45.239
<v Speaker 3>ever asked to do the things you know and like.

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:48.960
<v Speaker 4>But the problem comes when you don't hear the stories.

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 3>You know. The problem comes when you are new to

0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:53.400
<v Speaker 3>town and you're the first person to sit down at

0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:54.920
<v Speaker 3>YEP and somebody's like, hey man.

0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:57.239
<v Speaker 2>Fucking Oklahoma, right and getting flown in.

0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:00.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. All you know is the RepU of that person

0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:03.759
<v Speaker 3>that exists in the tabloids or on the internet. You

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:06.719
<v Speaker 3>don't know the story about hey man, don't.

0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:09.320
<v Speaker 4>Go to those parties because it's not good, yo.

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Bad shit. In two thousand and six, Ditty's longtime partner

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Kim Porter, gave birth to twins. That was the same

0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:18.360
<v Speaker 2>year that a friend gave birth to his daughter Chance.

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Kim considered this a betrayal and broke things off. With Diddy.

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:24.280
<v Speaker 2>While all this was going on, he was also starting

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:28.160
<v Speaker 2>a quote unquote relationship with a young woman named Cassandra Ventura.

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:30.360
<v Speaker 2>He had signed her to his label at age nineteen

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:33.759
<v Speaker 2>and started a sexual relationship with her shortly thereafter. He

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:37.120
<v Speaker 2>was thirty seven at the time. It was Cassandra's allegations

0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:39.719
<v Speaker 2>against him that would eventually open the floodgates of legal

0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:43.279
<v Speaker 2>consequences for Ditty. But before we get to that, I'm

0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:46.720
<v Speaker 2>going to quote from The Independent summarizing just a series

0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:49.959
<v Speaker 2>of his trials in the mid aughts. Eight months after

0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 2>his twenty fourteen Howard commencement speech, TMZ reported that he

0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:56.160
<v Speaker 2>punched Drake in a Miami nightclub because of a viewed

0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:59.880
<v Speaker 2>over a song, which, in a rare case for these episodes,

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 2>points for Diddy on that. Six months later, he was

0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:05.840
<v Speaker 2>arrested and charged in California with three counts of assault

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:08.720
<v Speaker 2>with a deadly weapon, one count of making terrorist threats,

0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:11.880
<v Speaker 2>and one count of battery after allegedly attacking one of

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 2>his football coaches at u C l A. The assault

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:23.440
<v Speaker 2>reportedly involved a kettlebell, but prosecutors ultimately decided not to pursue.

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:26.799
<v Speaker 1>Because his son, Justin Ye to play football, but.

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 2>You gotta do something real bad for me to be

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:36.640
<v Speaker 2>on the side of a football coach. Guys, anyway, speaking

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:41.200
<v Speaker 2>of football coaches, coach yourself on over to this podcast.

0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:48.040
<v Speaker 4>Sorry, we've been at this a while.

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:54.879
<v Speaker 2>And we're back and finishing up the epic tale.

0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:57.040
<v Speaker 4>Epic tale of and.

0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Into the stuff we are.

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:03.960
<v Speaker 2>We're going to get into the Kassie stuff now. Yes, Cassie,

0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:06.239
<v Speaker 2>who was for a while his in kedu. If we're

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:10.600
<v Speaker 2>doing the yogem meshra anyway, whatever, let's talk to after

0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:13.640
<v Speaker 2>his split from kim Porter. She was the woman largely

0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:15.320
<v Speaker 2>seen as Diddy's public partner.

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:15.600
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:18.879
<v Speaker 2>She was a singer and a model in her own rights. Yeah,

0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:21.600
<v Speaker 2>very talented. The two are generally depicted in media as

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:24.840
<v Speaker 2>like a power couple, right. In a civil lawsuit filed

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:28.160
<v Speaker 2>earlier this year, Miss Ventura claims that from the beginning,

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:30.319
<v Speaker 2>Sean used his wealth and power to force her into

0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:34.719
<v Speaker 2>a quote manipulative and coercive romantic and sexual relationship. He

0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:38.439
<v Speaker 2>assaulted her, constantly beating and kicking her and regularly leaving

0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:43.080
<v Speaker 2>quote black eyes, bruises and blood. Cassandra describes his freak

0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:45.560
<v Speaker 2>offs in her lawsuit and alleged that he would often

0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:48.880
<v Speaker 2>secretly film the days of debauchery with his famous friends.

0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:52.440
<v Speaker 2>The videotapes doubled as fuel for extortion if anyone crossed him,

0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:54.640
<v Speaker 2>which is part of why his social circle was so

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:58.560
<v Speaker 2>loyal and so quiet for so long. Right, he has

0:41:58.680 --> 0:42:02.400
<v Speaker 2>videos of them doing the crimes. Again, The movie Don't

0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:05.359
<v Speaker 2>Blink really does cover a lot of this, and as

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:08.080
<v Speaker 2>a bonus has Christian Slater and that's never a bad time.

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:09.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Christians is amazing.

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:13.280
<v Speaker 4>Man, he's fucking great. Yeah, I love, I love Yeah. Yeah,

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:14.759
<v Speaker 4>it's dark man, it's like this.

0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:18.760
<v Speaker 3>Do you talk about the fact that kim Porter also dies?

0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 2>We yes, yes, age forty seven. That hasn't happened yet though.

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:25.640
<v Speaker 3>I mean there's a lot of like where it gets

0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:28.360
<v Speaker 3>to the point where it's like, god, dude, like the

0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:29.560
<v Speaker 3>people around.

0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:30.280
<v Speaker 1>You, so many things.

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's just too many things.

0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:35.719
<v Speaker 3>The kid cutting explosion, like of his car where he says.

0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:37.799
<v Speaker 2>His car, yes, yes, there's a kid cut it.

0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:40.960
<v Speaker 3>Yes, There's so many things that you're like, oh my god, dude,

0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 3>you are a bad person.

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:44.040
<v Speaker 2>You're a bad friend.

0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:47.280
<v Speaker 3>There's something bad about you. And I just like every

0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 3>person has a oh did you ever work with this

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:52.080
<v Speaker 3>guy type story. It's like it's it's one of those

0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:55.360
<v Speaker 3>like badges of honor almost sometimes here in the industry

0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:57.319
<v Speaker 3>where it's like, oh, yeah, man, I spent a week

0:42:57.360 --> 0:42:57.760
<v Speaker 3>with Diddy.

0:42:57.840 --> 0:42:58.560
<v Speaker 4>Man, you know, yeah.

0:42:58.800 --> 0:42:58.960
<v Speaker 3>Man.

0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of which, let's talk about the Kid Cutty story,

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.720
<v Speaker 2>because you hear about this first. In twenty twelve, gossip

0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:09.200
<v Speaker 2>blogs report that Cassie, who was dating Kid Cutty at

0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:11.920
<v Speaker 2>the time, and Diddy, had had a fight in a club.

0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:15.600
<v Speaker 2>And now in the lawsuit, Cassie claims that did he quote,

0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 2>blew up a man's car after he learned he was

0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:21.480
<v Speaker 2>romantically interested in Ventura. And here's my favorite quote. This

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:23.680
<v Speaker 2>is from the Salon dot com article. The New York

0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Times said through a spokesperson that Kid Cutty confirmed Cassie's

0:43:26.680 --> 0:43:29.759
<v Speaker 2>account that his car exploded in his driveway. This is

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:32.560
<v Speaker 2>all true. He said, Oh my god, Yeah, just a

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:33.600
<v Speaker 2>car explosion.

0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.799
<v Speaker 4>No way to say who did it? Yeah, man, who knows.

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 3>I was pissing this one dude off, And sometimes shit happens.

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:47.279
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes shit happens. Yeah, I don't know anything about him,

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 2>but he's cool and he has one less car than

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.000
<v Speaker 2>he would otherwise have. We can say that for sure,

0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:54.759
<v Speaker 2>so true from the New York Times quote. Cassie in

0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:57.720
<v Speaker 2>her lawsuit said that mister Combs directed frequent freak offs

0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:00.440
<v Speaker 2>at high end hotels around the country, directing at the

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:04.040
<v Speaker 2>events to poor excessive amounts of oil on herself and

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:07.080
<v Speaker 2>tell her where to touch the prostitutes while he filmed

0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:09.279
<v Speaker 2>and masturbated. We're not gonna like go into a ton

0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:11.799
<v Speaker 2>of detail about the massive amount of baby oil, but

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:14.200
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of it. Some of it's drugged.

0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:18.360
<v Speaker 3>Us. There was a reason why they confiscated like a

0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:21.160
<v Speaker 3>thousand bottles of baby literally thou Yeah, it was like

0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:23.560
<v Speaker 3>it was like there's a reason why that that happened,

0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:25.640
<v Speaker 3>and there was absolutely.

0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Costco had to come out and a dog.

0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:28.200
<v Speaker 2>We don't.

0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:29.120
<v Speaker 1>We don't sell that ship.

0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:30.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we don't that ship.

0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:31.919
<v Speaker 1>We are not in on that ship.

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:33.880
<v Speaker 2>The only reason I can think of to drug it

0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 2>is because you are getting it inside people in their

0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:37.960
<v Speaker 2>mucus membranes.

0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:39.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely, yeah, like.

0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Fucking mbma or whatever. It isn't going to absorb. It's

0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:46.719
<v Speaker 2>not a bodily in someone's vagina. And so again, like

0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:48.920
<v Speaker 2>it's just it's hideous, right, Like we don't need to

0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:52.320
<v Speaker 2>belabor that point. I think you get it right. Cassie

0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:55.640
<v Speaker 2>says in her lawsuit he treated the forced encounter as

0:44:55.680 --> 0:44:58.880
<v Speaker 2>a personal art project, adjusting the candles he used for

0:44:58.960 --> 0:45:01.120
<v Speaker 2>lighting to frame the vis that he took.

0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:05.520
<v Speaker 4>Brothers in our tour sex crimes.

0:45:05.640 --> 0:45:06.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:45:06.840 --> 0:45:08.719
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if he and Epstein ever a party. They

0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 2>certainly had the opportunity.

0:45:10.080 --> 0:45:12.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but Trump's the common link, which is

0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:16.520
<v Speaker 3>hilarious because yeah, of course you say, didd he is

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:17.040
<v Speaker 3>a great guy.

0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:19.480
<v Speaker 4>He's my friend and also your best friends with Epstein.

0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:21.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah.

0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:24.920
<v Speaker 2>In twenty eighteen, kim Porter passes away. The cause of

0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:28.000
<v Speaker 2>death was initially listed as deferred, but it was later

0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:32.160
<v Speaker 2>confirmed that she died of pneumonia. Right, and and a

0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:32.360
<v Speaker 2>lot of.

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:37.640
<v Speaker 3>Conspiracy talking. There's a lot of paybe but but to

0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:41.560
<v Speaker 3>be fair, I know, King Comb's posted dishes son Yeah, Christian,

0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:45.280
<v Speaker 3>he posted that there has never been any question amongst

0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:47.560
<v Speaker 3>children that his death.

0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:49.360
<v Speaker 2>People do just die sometimes.

0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's absolutely reasonable to say that people do, in

0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:53.920
<v Speaker 3>fact just die sometimes.

0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:57.040
<v Speaker 2>But yeah again, people have also said maybe that death

0:45:57.080 --> 0:45:59.479
<v Speaker 2>should be looked into, and probably not a bad idea.

0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:02.960
<v Speaker 4>Take a look, Take a look. JFK's head just exploded. Yeah.

0:46:03.440 --> 0:46:06.239
<v Speaker 4>I don't just know that. He just did just that.

0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:07.640
<v Speaker 4>Christians just do that.

0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it's a pre existing condition, pre existing. In twenty seventeen,

0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:16.799
<v Speaker 2>did he changed his name yet again. He told the

0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:19.680
<v Speaker 2>world he would now go by Love or brother Love

0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:21.439
<v Speaker 2>and really yeah.

0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:23.480
<v Speaker 4>Yes, a lot of people missed this.

0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:26.399
<v Speaker 1>Era. Knew this, I fucking knew this.

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:28.080
<v Speaker 4>This is the snoop Lion era.

0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he legally changes his name because Love is his

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:34.800
<v Speaker 2>legal middle name. He tells Vanity Fair at the time.

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:37.160
<v Speaker 2>Love is a mission. I feel like that's one of

0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:40.799
<v Speaker 2>the biggest missions that will actually shift things. But besides that,

0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:43.640
<v Speaker 2>we the world is different. We have the Internet, we

0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:46.160
<v Speaker 2>have the power, we have a culture. I have us

0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:49.920
<v Speaker 2>on a five year plan. First off, yeah, talking like

0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Stalin there. Second, that was more than five years ago.

0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:55.520
<v Speaker 2>Had the plan workout, did he?

0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:56.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:46:56.239 --> 0:47:00.759
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:07.239
<v Speaker 2>Man, good job broken Joseph Diddy Barria hell Now. During

0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 2>this period, Diddy's public image remained mostly benign.

0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:13.720
<v Speaker 1>In articles from you know he named his youngest baby

0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:14.600
<v Speaker 1>love right.

0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:15.399
<v Speaker 4>Yes he did.

0:47:15.719 --> 0:47:18.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it happens with famous people. You see it with

0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:22.560
<v Speaker 2>Elon Muskin X. You know, yeah, just name your kids

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:26.240
<v Speaker 2>something else. I don't care what you name your kids? Fine?

0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:32.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Alberque, Yeah, why we gotta be weird about everything?

0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now, in articles from the time he was fitted

0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:39.880
<v Speaker 2>as a genius producer and interviewer, seemed happy to ignore

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:42.640
<v Speaker 2>the numerous assault allegations that way, you know, we're kind

0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:45.600
<v Speaker 2>of in the shadows but not too shadowy to have found,

0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:48.680
<v Speaker 2>and the very public fact that he had definitely killed

0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:52.120
<v Speaker 2>people through negligence and had them murdered. He even managed

0:47:52.160 --> 0:47:56.040
<v Speaker 2>to avoid me too entirely. In fact, in that interview,

0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:58.840
<v Speaker 2>he tells Vanity Fair the movement inspired him and quote

0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:03.160
<v Speaker 2>showed me you can get maximum change. Didn't say a

0:48:03.200 --> 0:48:06.400
<v Speaker 2>word about his friend Weinstein that he's been looking for

0:48:06.480 --> 0:48:08.280
<v Speaker 2>a project with what seven.

0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:11.759
<v Speaker 3>I mean, honestly, sometimes people are sucking out there doing

0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:14.879
<v Speaker 3>the you know, dodge ball equivalent of making it through life.

0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:19.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, I just can't get felt like dodge that bullet.

0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Clearly it's clean sailing from here on out.

0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Which is crazy because I mean, Sophie back on this,

0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:27.600
<v Speaker 3>the Danny the Cane stuff. They talked about a lot

0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:31.480
<v Speaker 3>of ship that he did so much super adjacent, you know,

0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:35.880
<v Speaker 3>it's like never sexual assault, but super adjacent.

0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:38.400
<v Speaker 4>To Robert about this because I was one of the

0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:39.520
<v Speaker 4>first day.

0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Aubrio day comes out for years, like at least

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:46.160
<v Speaker 2>a couple of years saying I don't think she sees

0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:49.400
<v Speaker 2>or has evidence, and obviously you don't want to casually

0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:51.919
<v Speaker 2>before all this breaks, call him a section.

0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:55.839
<v Speaker 1>He has a lot of money, vocal about him for

0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:56.919
<v Speaker 1>so many years.

0:48:56.960 --> 0:48:59.359
<v Speaker 2>Yes, she did everything she could.

0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:02.200
<v Speaker 1>But also she said Don Junior was her soulmate, so

0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:05.760
<v Speaker 1>people like really stopped taking her and had an affair

0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:07.720
<v Speaker 1>with him. There was like a lot of stuff there,

0:49:08.200 --> 0:49:10.640
<v Speaker 1>so people didn't believe her, but she was fucking right.

0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think one of the most direct things

0:49:13.000 --> 0:49:15.440
<v Speaker 2>she said in twenty twenty two, in an interview on

0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:17.879
<v Speaker 2>the Call Her Daddy podcast, she said that Diddy had

0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:20.000
<v Speaker 2>fired her because she quote wasn't willing to do what

0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:23.920
<v Speaker 2>was expected, not talent wise, but in other areas.

0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:29.920
<v Speaker 3>Right, right, brutal, brutal, brutal brutal, very clear what that means.

0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And here's another quote from an article again this

0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:36.160
<v Speaker 2>is before Everything Breaks in Varieties is twenty nineteen called

0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:39.560
<v Speaker 2>Abrio Dat is still recovering from making the band PTSD

0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:42.280
<v Speaker 2>and making the past the reality show that didn't Oh mab.

0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Them suffered so much. It's so horrible.

0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Puff is a very difficult person to work with. Everything

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:50.560
<v Speaker 2>had to be perfect. I remember times where he looked

0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:52.640
<v Speaker 2>at my toenails and was like, what is your third

0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:55.239
<v Speaker 2>toenail doing? Go get that shit fixed before you walk

0:49:55.239 --> 0:49:57.720
<v Speaker 2>into a room. Or we would be in rehearsals performing

0:49:57.760 --> 0:50:01.560
<v Speaker 2>an hour and a half sece you get your toenails,

0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:04.920
<v Speaker 2>and I would walk in for five minutes with a

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:07.520
<v Speaker 2>camera and say, Aubrey, why are you sweating? You look

0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:09.960
<v Speaker 2>like a wet dog. You're the hot one, so you

0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:12.560
<v Speaker 2>think anyone wants to see that? And again, this is

0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:15.200
<v Speaker 2>all pretty minor next to all the horrible sections.

0:50:16.120 --> 0:50:18.640
<v Speaker 3>It's like, you understand, it's like somebody that will go

0:50:18.760 --> 0:50:21.200
<v Speaker 3>to the links of like fucking with your third toe,

0:50:22.040 --> 0:50:26.120
<v Speaker 3>like the type make you feel powers about who you are.

0:50:26.200 --> 0:50:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, no, no, guys, listen. I distinctly remember a

0:50:30.200 --> 0:50:33.480
<v Speaker 1>clip from that show where all of them were presented

0:50:33.520 --> 0:50:37.920
<v Speaker 1>to him and he like went one by one critiquing

0:50:38.280 --> 0:50:42.759
<v Speaker 1>their personal appearance, and the things he said were just

0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:47.920
<v Speaker 1>horshic and inhuman. But specifically that story is crazy because

0:50:47.920 --> 0:50:50.600
<v Speaker 1>like Aubrey, like basically you could even see it and

0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:53.640
<v Speaker 1>it like morphed into like whatever it was asked of her,

0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:57.080
<v Speaker 1>and then he'd tear that down too, So, you know.

0:50:57.160 --> 0:51:00.600
<v Speaker 3>To Devil's advocate this stupid situation because I hate to

0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:02.759
<v Speaker 3>do it, but like I've been on the I've been

0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:06.120
<v Speaker 3>in reality shows for some reason when you want to

0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:08.759
<v Speaker 3>like hire somebody to pretend to be an engineer in

0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:09.720
<v Speaker 3>a reality show.

0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:11.800
<v Speaker 4>Because all of these people want to be musicians.

0:51:11.320 --> 0:51:14.040
<v Speaker 3>Like I get hired to do these like stupid reality

0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:17.480
<v Speaker 3>shows to play myself in a reality show. And so

0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:20.359
<v Speaker 3>I've had these situations where I see the way it

0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:24.560
<v Speaker 3>actually goes down, and it is absolutely people pushing the

0:51:24.640 --> 0:51:26.759
<v Speaker 3>worst narrative. But here's the thing that I think that's

0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:29.840
<v Speaker 3>really important to understand about it is that some people

0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:34.040
<v Speaker 3>their worst is not that bad, you know, like in

0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:36.600
<v Speaker 3>comparative speaking, it's like you see them do these like

0:51:36.600 --> 0:51:38.600
<v Speaker 3>like like oh, they're trying to ham it up for TV,

0:51:38.640 --> 0:51:41.160
<v Speaker 3>and they're not really good at being like me and people, right,

0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:44.120
<v Speaker 3>you can feel the difference between somebody who's capable of

0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:47.480
<v Speaker 3>actually coming up with shit that makes people feel horrible

0:51:47.520 --> 0:51:50.400
<v Speaker 3>about themselves, you know, like to really like be a

0:51:50.560 --> 0:51:53.680
<v Speaker 3>shitty person towards somebody. And that's the type of thing

0:51:53.719 --> 0:51:55.840
<v Speaker 3>that you see in this where it's like man to

0:51:56.000 --> 0:51:59.080
<v Speaker 3>like attack your toes like the way your toes look

0:51:59.160 --> 0:52:02.319
<v Speaker 3>to attack like these like arbitrary things. They know that

0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:04.879
<v Speaker 3>that's something that cuts deep on a person, that makes

0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:09.160
<v Speaker 3>them second guess themselves, like deep inside themselves, you know.

0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep, absolutely so. About five years after saying that

0:52:13.640 --> 0:52:16.040
<v Speaker 2>he was inspired by me too in that article for

0:52:16.120 --> 0:52:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Vanity Fair, Cassandra came forward with her lawsuit and she

0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:23.480
<v Speaker 2>was joined very quickly in a flood of lawsuits. Not

0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:26.400
<v Speaker 2>all of the people charging Sean with sexual assault are women.

0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:28.000
<v Speaker 2>We have mostly focused on that, but I want to

0:52:28.000 --> 0:52:30.480
<v Speaker 2>be very clear that he is alleged of assaulting men

0:52:30.520 --> 0:52:34.360
<v Speaker 2>to not just through Cuba. One man currently incarcerated in

0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Michigan for kidnapping and criminal sexual conduct himself says that

0:52:38.080 --> 0:52:40.480
<v Speaker 2>did he drugged and raped him in Detroit in nineteen

0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:43.840
<v Speaker 2>ninety seven. A judgment was briefly issued on that case.

0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:46.520
<v Speaker 2>But did he's lawyers, because they hadn't appeared in court,

0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:49.520
<v Speaker 2>uncleared me what happened, you know. But like that's not

0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:52.359
<v Speaker 2>the only allegation of him abusing a man. To write,

0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:52.759
<v Speaker 2>I just.

0:52:52.640 --> 0:52:55.000
<v Speaker 3>Want to be clear about that, there's just less of it. Yeah,

0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:58.319
<v Speaker 3>it's damn near fifty to fifty on the ratio on this.

0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:01.319
<v Speaker 3>It's like it's pretty even. He he seems to be

0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:04.279
<v Speaker 3>an equal opportunity sexual assault.

0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:06.760
<v Speaker 2>And he's got famous friends who are gay and creeps.

0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:10.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and there's also just like so many like allegedly

0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:14.360
<v Speaker 1>things that have happened that like, obviously we can't comment

0:53:14.360 --> 0:53:18.360
<v Speaker 1>as fact right now, but like as this trial proceeds,

0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:20.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure a lot more will come out. But there's

0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:22.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of grooming allegations as well.

0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:25.640
<v Speaker 3>And to be very fair that it would be irresponsible

0:53:25.680 --> 0:53:27.800
<v Speaker 3>to not mention the amount of people that will jump

0:53:27.840 --> 0:53:34.840
<v Speaker 3>on a situation because they are themselves shitty people that

0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:36.759
<v Speaker 3>will like jump on something, Oh this happened to me

0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:39.319
<v Speaker 3>because they see the wave and it will give them

0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:43.120
<v Speaker 3>a tiny bit of respect or money or whatever the fuck.

0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:49.240
<v Speaker 3>But without a doubt, there is allegations that exist inside

0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:49.520
<v Speaker 3>of this.

0:53:49.560 --> 0:53:51.920
<v Speaker 1>That are horrifying.

0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:53.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, horrifying and real.

0:53:53.840 --> 0:53:54.040
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:57.640
<v Speaker 2>So there are so many of these allegations that we

0:53:57.640 --> 0:53:58.480
<v Speaker 2>were not going to cover.

0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:01.399
<v Speaker 3>More than them, right, We've done seven part I think

0:54:01.480 --> 0:54:04.200
<v Speaker 3>this gives you a pretty good understanding of him, and

0:54:04.239 --> 0:54:06.359
<v Speaker 3>the fact that I've cut out allegations which I've cut

0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:07.920
<v Speaker 3>out like two for everyone I've included.

0:54:07.920 --> 0:54:09.960
<v Speaker 2>It says nothing about the legitimacy of those It's just

0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:12.239
<v Speaker 2>a space thing. I should say a bit here about

0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:16.160
<v Speaker 2>Christina Korum kg R R A M. She was Combs's

0:54:16.239 --> 0:54:19.160
<v Speaker 2>chief of staff and is a codesfendant in the Jones lawsuit.

0:54:19.400 --> 0:54:21.560
<v Speaker 2>We talked about the lady from Oklahoma who was like

0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:25.120
<v Speaker 2>brought into a party and drugged and possibly sexually assaulted

0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:27.960
<v Speaker 2>and then called by a woman afterwards and threatened. I

0:54:28.000 --> 0:54:31.320
<v Speaker 2>think there's a decent chance that was Christina Korum. Jones

0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:33.680
<v Speaker 2>claims that Korum bought a lot of the drugs and

0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:36.360
<v Speaker 2>actually handled the booking and paying of sex workers for

0:54:36.400 --> 0:54:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Combs's parties. She was his Gillan Maxwell in other words.

0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:42.160
<v Speaker 2>And also it's worth noting again I keep bringing up

0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:45.160
<v Speaker 2>that movie that I didn't appreciate as much until this

0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:48.680
<v Speaker 2>all came out link twice. The woman who is there's

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<v Speaker 2>like an older woman who is like the creepy sex CEOs,

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<v Speaker 2>like like Fixer, and she's Christina Korum. That's who I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't real sie how directed was there.

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<v Speaker 3>Is always somebody who is adjacent and willing to use

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<v Speaker 3>their vulnerability with people. You know, their ability to access

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<v Speaker 3>the vulnerability of people you know, that makes you feel like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a woman.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have to worry about what they There's always

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<v Speaker 4>one of those.

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<v Speaker 3>There is always one of those every single time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's Christina Korum. In this story, we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>what happens to where Sean Puffy Combs was arrested on

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<v Speaker 2>September sixteenth, twenty twenty four, several months after the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>rated his La mansion and seized firearms, illegal drugs, and

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<v Speaker 2>more than a thousand bottles of baby oil. Homes has

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<v Speaker 2>been nied all charges and pled not guilty. More recently,

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<v Speaker 2>a judge declined to set bail for him, noting that

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<v Speaker 2>he's still posed a danger to the community.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been nied bail like once a week, once a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's in the same part of the jail.

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<v Speaker 4>Very recently.

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<v Speaker 3>There's been all sorts of allegations of him, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>stealing phones or bribing other inmates to let him use

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<v Speaker 3>their phone time and like.

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<v Speaker 4>To intimidate witnesses. Typically like he's already in jail trying

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<v Speaker 4>to run ship from what they say. So it's like

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<v Speaker 4>it's not like he's just chilling out in there being calm.

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<v Speaker 4>He is absolutely still trying to run an intimidation game

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<v Speaker 4>from inside prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's the episode. Everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know I feel really good about money.

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<v Speaker 4>Time to party.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just I just want to make a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of money so I can do anything I want.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, man, I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I think we just we build an empire,

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<v Speaker 3>take it to the FDA.

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<v Speaker 2>We really, and that'll save us, you know, and our

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<v Speaker 2>reputations will die historic, you know, in again fight with

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<v Speaker 2>the FDA.

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<v Speaker 4>That's all I want, the way to go down. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's all I want.

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<v Speaker 3>Because they say you only die when the last person

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<v Speaker 3>that remembers your name dies. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like and every one of those FDA agents is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna remember us.

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<v Speaker 3>Forever, children, all of their children's children, they'll never forget ye.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we're gonna have to start selling supplements first, will

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>You know it's funny to me, man, every time I

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<v Speaker 3>post on TikTok, people would be like, man, you would

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<v Speaker 3>really like this behind the bastards, And I always.

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<v Speaker 4>Every time with him do I ever?

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<v Speaker 3>And I know that guy so funny yep.

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<v Speaker 2>So this has been Behind the Bastards, a podcast about

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<v Speaker 2>a guy. I almost named it go for It has

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<v Speaker 2>been a fantastic time.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate this ship out of you man, Thank you

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<v Speaker 3>so much.

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<v Speaker 4>Appreciating you too. Will let me hang out and get very.

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<v Speaker 3>Drunk, get extremely drunk while listening to somebody that made

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<v Speaker 3>me feel icky cool.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the podcast e experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope they went home or drunk or something to

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<v Speaker 2>anybody and godspeed.

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