Speaker 1: Also media.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's Behind the Bastards, a podcast hosted by a
Speaker 2: man who is legally a judge and his friend Greezy Will,
Speaker 2: who is legally greasy Will legally.
Speaker 3: Not allowed to drive anymore.
Speaker 4: Oh really did that happen?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, every time you said colmbs with an L,
Speaker 3: I took a sip over the last two episodes.
Speaker 4: So now I'm just trash man.
Speaker 3: I hope you've enjoyed this Behind the Bastards drinking game
Speaker 3: that I have embarked upon.
Speaker 2: Go back in time and just have like, what about
Speaker 2: fourteen shots? Yeah? Uh So the late nineteen nineties is
Speaker 2: an era in which Bad Boy Records is growing by
Speaker 2: leaps and bounds and Diddy is getting rich as buck.
Speaker 2: We are talking the insane pile, the cash pile so
Speaker 2: large that you're only op is to either get really
Speaker 2: into cocaine or start a series of ill conceived small businesses.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, Diddy, I'm.
Speaker 4: Sure does both. Actually two choices.
Speaker 2: Wher's gonna sit in that failure.
Speaker 3: While I was gonna make a decision to step out
Speaker 3: of the darkness and die into the darkness, buddy, He.
Speaker 2: Steps out of the darkness to launch a restaurant called Justin.
Speaker 2: This is named after his oldest son. He starts the
Speaker 2: first Justin in New York City in nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 2: and he franchises it out to Atlanta the following year.
Speaker 2: The New York location shuts down after about a decade.
Speaker 2: Sean claims because he wanted to find a larger location,
Speaker 2: but he just never opens a new one.
Speaker 4: I think it just failed.
Speaker 3: This is the story of my mom when she said
Speaker 3: she was going to build the house on top of
Speaker 3: the basement that we lived in, and then we just
Speaker 3: lived in a basement for like eight years.
Speaker 4: Good times, Mom.
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is Diddy's version that now the Atlanta location hangs
Speaker 2: on a little while longer. It eventually shuts down in
Speaker 2: twenty twelve. Why here's a summary from an article in
Speaker 2: b Et in July twenty eleven. Did he was sued
Speaker 2: after music executive Tony Austen, a patron of the Atlanta Eatery,
Speaker 2: was shot in the parking lot. Austin, former a and
Speaker 2: R for Deaf Jam and the president of Russell Simmons
Speaker 2: Music Group, says he was in his car listening to
Speaker 2: music with another man when someone opened fire on the vehicle.
Speaker 2: Austin alleged that the proprietors of Justin's were aware of
Speaker 2: dangerous and hazardous conditions at the establishment, but failed to
Speaker 2: provide warning or security.
Speaker 3: Now isn't that something?
Speaker 2: Isn't that something shocking? Shocking?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: By the time Justin's opened, Sean had split from Justin's
Speaker 2: mother to date a model named Kim Porter, who gave
Speaker 2: him his second son. In nineteen ninety eight, he launched
Speaker 2: a fashion label, Sean John Sean John, Yeah man.
Speaker 3: And it was the it brand. You know, I was
Speaker 3: the shit. It was Boss and Sean John and foubu Man.
Speaker 2: We can say markedly more successful than his restaurant.
Speaker 1: Also, I need a fact check you on the oldest
Speaker 1: son thing. He has an adopted son who's older named Quincy.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, and his adopted son who is older named Quincy. Sure,
Speaker 2: interesting fascinating name. Now that year, the year that he
Speaker 2: starts Shawn John, he is nominated for five Grammys. If
Speaker 2: you want to know what a Grammy looks like, just
Speaker 2: look behind Will.
Speaker 4: And do a right on camera.
Speaker 3: Off.
Speaker 4: I guess, but I wasn't in the mood to turn
Speaker 4: it back on.
Speaker 2: I noticed an episode you got it fucking back lit
Speaker 2: was the first thing you did with that take a
Speaker 2: shot out of it?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely?
Speaker 3: In fact, you know what, to be fair, this is
Speaker 3: behind the Bastards little we should do this on air
Speaker 3: because like you know, it's.
Speaker 4: Like, what else do you do when you get a Grammy?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So also true.
Speaker 3: I need you to understand that when I got this Grammy,
Speaker 3: I was about to have a kid. At the time,
Speaker 3: I had a bad month where my car the transmission dot.
Speaker 3: It's just basically my point is I had like maybe
Speaker 3: like five hundred dollars in my account.
Speaker 4: I still spent two hundred dollars on a bottle of
Speaker 4: Don Julio.
Speaker 2: Priorities are important so that.
Speaker 3: I could take a shot out of my Grammy, because
Speaker 3: that's the only reason to get one of these things.
Speaker 3: What kind of like what kind of person gets this
Speaker 3: to brag to their friends? No, like, this is to
Speaker 3: take shots out of because it's funny.
Speaker 2: And you're not going to get content like this from
Speaker 2: the pod Save America.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 2: You're not getting it from the Bowlwark, You're not getting
Speaker 2: it from last podcast on the left. Only Behind the Bastards.
Speaker 4: This is basically when Elon smoked a.
Speaker 2: Blood honestly, maybe Joe Rogan, you might get this on
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan, you would.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie, although we would both be racist
Speaker 3: and one of us have some sex pest crimes behind.
Speaker 2: Yes, you would be trying to convince my listeners to
Speaker 2: I don't know, inject bleach into their assholes in order
Speaker 2: to build muscle masts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, eating like six hundred like like worms or silkworms
Speaker 3: specifically silkworms. Eat silkworms for your colon health.
Speaker 2: You know, I'd be trying. Well, I do actually think
Speaker 2: you should eat more elk. It's delicious, now, delicious, It's
Speaker 2: very tasty.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: So that year, the same year he opened Sean John,
Speaker 2: he gets nominated for five Grammys. Bad Boy pulls in
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty million dollars in revenue.
Speaker 4: What year is that?
Speaker 2: That is ninety eight?
Speaker 4: Okay, So do you know what Grammys those were that
Speaker 4: he won?
Speaker 2: That? I don't know. I could have looked that up,
Speaker 2: but I'm a hack and a fraud. Now, from this
Speaker 2: point forward in the story, Sean has infinite money, right,
Speaker 2: which he still does basically so now, as I noted
Speaker 2: last episode, he'd always had a knack for throwing huge
Speaker 2: media driven parties, and now that he was actually a
Speaker 2: major celebrity himself, he kicked things up several notches. Nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety eight is also the year of his first white party.
Speaker 2: These were the events where he'd invite piles of celebrities
Speaker 2: to his mansion in the Hamptons for what inevitably became
Speaker 2: the big event of the summer. And part of it
Speaker 2: is he becomes like the first black guy to move
Speaker 2: into this very rich white neighborhood. The white parties are
Speaker 2: in part how he kind of makes his neighbors cool
Speaker 2: with him is like, hey, you're some like lame bank ceo.
Speaker 2: You can be at this party with these cool people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is starting to happen in the era of
Speaker 3: the Internet, right, It's like.
Speaker 4: This is ninety eight.
Speaker 3: This is like the beginning of the internet, where like
Speaker 3: being seen with all these different like coop hit people
Speaker 3: that are like being because the white parties, you see
Speaker 3: the pictures of them, it's everybody's at all of entertainment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and everyone wears white because did he thought he
Speaker 2: looked good and white? And to be honest, like I
Speaker 2: don't want to be complimenting the man, but he doesn't
Speaker 2: look bad. That's not a bad look for him.
Speaker 3: That's not a bad The parties like legit, it's like
Speaker 3: a pair of air ones, Dude, they look good the
Speaker 3: first time you wear them. And that is white, dude.
Speaker 3: White is the first time you wear it. It is
Speaker 3: the most beautiful, pristine, amazing looking thing. Now yeah, then
Speaker 3: he have what like nine PM that white starts getting
Speaker 3: kind of groady.
Speaker 2: Well, part of what I love is you can really
Speaker 2: see the whole like he is, you know, part of
Speaker 2: the point of these parties is for like people who
Speaker 2: are rich but not very cool to get to feel cool.
Speaker 2: Look at some of the people below him, like that
Speaker 2: guy in the front, Like they're just wearing white T shirts.
Speaker 2: You don't look like a rap star.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 2: You get this wild mix of like beautiful people and
Speaker 2: also sometimes beautiful people looking just like normal weirdos at
Speaker 2: a party, but which I always think is really interesting.
Speaker 2: You've got like part of it is because these first
Speaker 2: white parties are from the era before like there's no
Speaker 2: social media, so there's no social media filters, photoshop tools
Speaker 2: aren't as easy to use, so you get a lot
Speaker 2: of shots of famous people actually looking like normal people
Speaker 2: at a party, like here's Leo DiCaprio and some other
Speaker 2: dudes drinking champagne, smoking cigarettes and like not particularly looking
Speaker 2: like they're crazy rich and famous. Like it looks like
Speaker 2: a pretty dude for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then Sophie's gonna show you next Regis Philbn.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a photo of.
Speaker 2: Regis Philbin and I can only describe the look on
Speaker 2: his face. He looks like he is smiling like the devil.
Speaker 2: Like he like like you would cast him in needful things.
Speaker 2: He is selling you a cursed petrola. That's how Regis
Speaker 2: looks in this photo. And there's a couple other middle
Speaker 2: aged white dudes in there, one of whom is grabbing
Speaker 2: a young woman's arm in a way that I would
Speaker 2: say looks kind of off.
Speaker 4: Putting to me. But I don't know what was going on.
Speaker 4: Is that.
Speaker 1: The wedding cross designer? I can't, I don't I can't tell.
Speaker 2: I don't know that it's all of these people are rich,
Speaker 2: some of them are famous. I don't think that bald
Speaker 2: guy got famous for being a hip hop star.
Speaker 3: The only poor people at these parties were the people
Speaker 3: catering it, and yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And the people being sex trafficked.
Speaker 1: I look at like I'm not.
Speaker 4: Like the devil. Yeah, my hands are too much.
Speaker 2: I can see both of my hands. I ain't fucking
Speaker 2: up this?
Speaker 4: Uh was it?
Speaker 2: He wants to be a millionaire?
Speaker 3: At this point? I wish that we could just really see,
Speaker 3: like if there was a guilt aura around every person
Speaker 3: that existed in this picture, like like green to red,
Speaker 3: and in a scale of colors, and the redder you are,
Speaker 3: the guiltier you.
Speaker 4: Are is a human being, because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be a fascinating shade above that crowd there.
Speaker 2: Everyone's gonna have an aura that looks like the drink
Speaker 2: of the guy on the left, which is red.
Speaker 3: You are just as likely to be completely innocent in
Speaker 3: one of those. Well, and here's the thing, as you
Speaker 3: are to parties complicit in all the bullshit he did.
Speaker 2: There are definitely, especially at the end at the after parties,
Speaker 2: the night parts which not everyone stays for. There are
Speaker 2: definitely some sex crimes here. These are not the diddy
Speaker 2: parties where most of the sex trafficking.
Speaker 3: Happily, he should be mentioned, but these are two different events.
Speaker 2: There's a reason for it. The white parties are his
Speaker 2: pr This is where he goes to his legitimacy into
Speaker 2: the rich white community like the Hampton's and all that bullshit.
Speaker 2: But also, you know, like they're legitimacy into the black
Speaker 2: community as well, right, right, And that is the point
Speaker 2: of these and so these are largely less sketchy events
Speaker 2: for that reason. And it is he has another kind
Speaker 2: of party with another name that we'll be talking about.
Speaker 2: That is where most of it. I'm not saying like
Speaker 2: there's no sex crimes happening here. There's definitely drugs, but
Speaker 2: the fact that someone was at a white party doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that they committed sex crimes. So I'm not saying
Speaker 2: Regis Philbin is a sex pest. I don't know Regis.
Speaker 2: Maybe there have been allegations against him. If so, then
Speaker 2: I guess I am. But I don't know that. But
Speaker 2: these are his show parties, and he's a lot more
Speaker 2: careful about what happens here. The other parties, the parties
Speaker 2: you have heard stories about with the baby oil and
Speaker 2: the sex crimes, are what he called his freak off parties,
Speaker 2: like a dance off. But you know, with your freak,
Speaker 2: get you.
Speaker 4: A freak ca, Yeah, I shouldn't laugh there, dark they're dark.
Speaker 2: These are the sex crime parties. If someone went to
Speaker 2: a freak off, you should assume they did some bad stuff.
Speaker 3: Yes, in almost every single one of these stories there
Speaker 3: is a victim. There is very little willing participants of
Speaker 3: these things, like even the people who are willing participants
Speaker 3: might be coerced. Willing partilois, yeah, murky with a lot
Speaker 3: of the stuff that goes on a lot of power.
Speaker 2: Bird lines, you could say yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah there and again this is definitely the place where
Speaker 3: we start talking about where blurred lines the.
Speaker 2: Idlnes and people are also just doing lines.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3: He wasn't explicitly making me do this, but I knew
Speaker 3: that I could not say no type R shit, And
Speaker 3: that is very very strong in the Diddy story for sure.
Speaker 2: And another big part of it is because there's different
Speaker 2: gradients of cases, a lot of these people are like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I said yes, and I agreed, and nobody threatened me.
Speaker 2: But also I was there because I had just gotten
Speaker 2: started in this industry and I'm in front of the
Speaker 2: guy who could make my career, and like, I didn't
Speaker 2: think I had any other opp Like these are also
Speaker 2: some of the things that are I mean.
Speaker 3: We're into now the beginning of the Justin Bieber territory,
Speaker 3: which is like very much the Usher situation between Puffy
Speaker 3: and Usher and then Usher and Justin Bieber and Justin Bieber,
Speaker 3: and there is a lot of like questionable interactions, like
Speaker 3: Justin Bieber spending a weekend at Puffy's house at like.
Speaker 4: What like twelve years old or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like some weird activity that happened that at
Speaker 3: the time, we saw it happen and we were like,
Speaker 3: huh okay, you know, like but like everybody now is
Speaker 3: definitely able to look at those situations and be like,
Speaker 3: that's actually no, that's weird, you know.
Speaker 4: But the nineties, hey, let's be fair.
Speaker 2: It was the ninety thousands, you know, we're talking about
Speaker 2: Bieber probably for twelve year old Justin Bieber to be
Speaker 2: at Ditty's.
Speaker 4: House, Who am I to judge? Who are we We
Speaker 4: should have judged?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we should have.
Speaker 4: We should have been at.
Speaker 2: The white parties. Like, the most intense photo I've seen
Speaker 2: is Sean Pouring's champagne for what The New York Post
Speaker 2: describes as two unidentified near naked women. It doesn't look
Speaker 2: nearly as sketchy as they describe it. The Post and
Speaker 2: a lot of other tabloid coverage of these events does
Speaker 2: tend towards sensationalism about the wrong things. For example, this
Speaker 2: piece from September inside Sean Diddy Combs is Hampton sex
Speaker 2: parties featuring gay rappers who were high on kenemy. And
Speaker 2: like you and I have both been to parties with
Speaker 2: gay rappers.
Speaker 4: High on ketamine.
Speaker 2: That's not the problem. Yeah, not at some gay rappers
Speaker 2: are doing ketamine. That's not what's the issue.
Speaker 4: Someone say that was the best part of the party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, those gay rappers probably not committing sex crimes sometimes,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: But the point is, here's the thing is, like those
Speaker 3: those white parties, those were those were press events. You
Speaker 3: don't exactly press at sex crime parties, right, press at
Speaker 3: the events.
Speaker 2: Where they're committing sex crimes, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, unless unless you know that's part of the blackmail,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like not that the two ven diagram circles
Speaker 3: didn't interconnect. But without it, you know, it's like you
Speaker 3: don't invite the press to the parties where you're going
Speaker 3: to do the bad ship.
Speaker 2: No, No, because he's not again, he's not stupid. That's
Speaker 2: why he got away with this for so long. Now
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how seriously to take this post article,
Speaker 2: which has its source as just one anonymous coke dealer,
Speaker 2: which again not necessarily the most credible people on the planet.
Speaker 2: But here's a quote. The dealer said, did he opened
Speaker 2: the door to his former Hampton's mansion while wearing nothing
Speaker 2: but a robe and brought him to a back bedroom
Speaker 2: to make a cocaine deal. Weird shit was starting to happen.
Speaker 2: Celebrity guys fucking each other. There were back bedrooms and
Speaker 2: it was like the inner sanctum, And this dealer talks
Speaker 2: about it, like I lost a lot of respect for
Speaker 2: those guys. He's not talking about the sexcer He's talking
Speaker 2: about like people having gay sex, famous people fucking each
Speaker 2: other in a gay way, which is like, fine, that's
Speaker 2: not the.
Speaker 3: Way like the representatives to be talking about any of
Speaker 3: this stuff. But Yeah, as far as I have ever
Speaker 3: experienced inside of like the hip hop culture of America,
Speaker 3: it has only recently become taboo to say the e
Speaker 3: F slur. It's not like that was an insult for
Speaker 3: most of the two thousands, you know. It's like it
Speaker 3: did not until like twenty fifteen feel like it fell
Speaker 3: off the radar for that to be part of like
Speaker 3: your insult to another person is that they have gay
Speaker 3: sex with a person. So it's like, certainly there is
Speaker 3: a vested interest in not publicizing this. Yes, people not
Speaker 3: knowing that it exis could be very being a secret
Speaker 3: of you because you would be looked at differently, especially
Speaker 3: at this time, but even now, you will be looked
Speaker 3: at differently for these types of actions.
Speaker 2: And there's you know, the dealer claims he also saw
Speaker 2: a mix of female rappers and prostitutes having sex there,
Speaker 2: And that's kind of where we do get into because
Speaker 2: again some of there's probably some trafficking at the white parties.
Speaker 2: And it's unclear to me is he talking about a
Speaker 2: white party or a freak off it's at the Hamptons.
Speaker 2: A little bit unclear, but we'll get to that later
Speaker 2: real quick.
Speaker 3: On that same point, I just want to say, at
Speaker 3: any event, right, whether you are in fact a prostitute
Speaker 3: or not, like, there is a certain amount of hiring
Speaker 3: of females to be at a party, to be overly
Speaker 3: friendly to the people at the party, right.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's one.
Speaker 3: It's very good to look like there's a lot of
Speaker 3: beautiful women here. Yeah, sure, but also for the people
Speaker 3: that come to these things, they want to feel like
Speaker 3: there's girls that are there that are interested. This happens
Speaker 3: all the way from the normal Hollywood club type event
Speaker 3: all the way up to these parties. So it's not
Speaker 3: like when you talk about the sex trafficking element of
Speaker 3: all these things, like it may be somewhat innocent, but
Speaker 3: there's always an element of like hiring women to be
Speaker 3: morally available in ways at parties, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Now, in nineteen ninety nine, Diddy was arrested
Speaker 2: on felony charges of assault and criminal mischief. The chain
Speaker 2: of events began when Diddy was featured in the music
Speaker 2: video Hate Me Now with Nas. Both Diddy and Nas
Speaker 2: were crucified on a cross, which did he later decided
Speaker 2: was sacrilegious and asked to have cut.
Speaker 4: That's his line. That's his liney, that's where he calls it. Hey, man,
Speaker 4: do not portray me as Jesus being.
Speaker 3: Crucified on a Although I'm not gonna lie twelve year
Speaker 3: old me or whatever it was, I thought that was
Speaker 3: the bangingest video I've ever seen in my life. Like
Speaker 3: I remember that coming out and I remember seeing it
Speaker 3: was on TRL, and I remember my mind being blown,
Speaker 3: just like, oh my god, they crucified them.
Speaker 4: That's so sacrilegious. So to be fair, as.
Speaker 3: A Roman Catholic kid growing up in Pennsylvania in the nineties,
Speaker 3: I did kind of think, Yeah, that, holy shit, that
Speaker 3: was sacrilegious. Like, perspective is a very important piece of
Speaker 3: this whole thing, and in the nineties, that was sacrilegious
Speaker 3: as hell. You know, that was some like Marilyn Manson
Speaker 3: level of sacrilege going on inside of the community.
Speaker 2: Oh man, So that's what flips him out. And when
Speaker 2: the he decides like, hey, cut this out, and then
Speaker 2: they air the unedited version anyway, and when the version
Speaker 2: with him being crucified airs, he blames the president of
Speaker 2: Interscope Records, Steve Stout, and he bursts in the Stout's
Speaker 2: office with some goons and assault him with quote, a chair,
Speaker 2: a telephone, and a champagne bottle. Stout set of the beating.
Speaker 2: One minute, I'm in the middle of a meeting, and
Speaker 2: the next minute I'm down on the floor and Puffy
Speaker 2: and his guys are kicking and pounding me. One of
Speaker 2: them picks up a chair and throws it at me.
Speaker 2: Then Puffy throws my desk over and they just walk
Speaker 2: out like nothing happened. And his stances, I think they
Speaker 2: were trying to kill me and I just you know,
Speaker 2: happened to not die.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I wasn't there. He seems to say it was very serious.
Speaker 2: Combs turned himself in a few days later and was
Speaker 2: charged with felony assault. He was freed on fifteen thousand
Speaker 2: dollars bail and ultimately pled down to a misdemeanor. His
Speaker 2: sentence was one day of court ordered anger management. Oh
Speaker 2: o oh, Jesus, that's what hundreds of millions of dollars
Speaker 2: gets you in life.
Speaker 3: Man. That's the thing is like money is the savior
Speaker 3: of all problems.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, nearly all. Like as with Epstein, you can't
Speaker 2: eventually hit a line. Speaking of hitting a line, my
Speaker 2: line is it's time for ads. So here you go,
Speaker 2: and we're bad. So three months after he assaults this
Speaker 2: record executive, Combs goes out to a Manhattan nightclub with
Speaker 2: Jennifer Lopez, who he was dating at the time. The
Speaker 2: couple were partying when someone else at the club insulted
Speaker 2: Ditty and threatened his protege, a rapper named Shine. A
Speaker 2: rite up in The Independent summarizes what happens next in
Speaker 2: the kind of voice that you usually use for like
Speaker 2: the Israeli military or cops. A dispute ensued, shots were
Speaker 2: fired and three bystanders were injured, including a woman who
Speaker 2: was shot in the face. Comes fled in a Lincoln
Speaker 2: Navigator with j Lo, his bodyguard, and his driver, along
Speaker 2: with a stolen gun none of them had a license for,
Speaker 2: as cops found out when they stopped the car. Colmes
Speaker 2: was found not guilty in March two thousand and one
Speaker 2: a four counts of a legal possession of a gun
Speaker 2: and one count of bribery, after a trial that doubled
Speaker 2: as a media spectacle proving what a force the rapper
Speaker 2: had become. Fans turned up at the courthouse for seven weeks,
Speaker 2: and workers at the building upon his acquittal threw open
Speaker 2: the windows to chant his name and leave him alone.
Speaker 4: Must be nice.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we have this amazing celebrity worship
Speaker 3: culture in our country. It's just inevitable all the time, right,
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, we will no matter who finds some
Speaker 3: sort of martyr or savior or just God.
Speaker 4: Didn't whatever exists inside celebrity. They were happy to have that.
Speaker 3: We're happy to have somebody that we can go to
Speaker 3: a courthouse on our day off of work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and cheer when they get off after probably shooting
Speaker 2: a woman in the probably someone. It's one of those
Speaker 2: One of the things that's amazing is that like if
Speaker 2: you read that, like a dispute ensued, shots were fired.
Speaker 2: Did he is so rich at this point that he
Speaker 2: has become included by journalists in the special exonerative grammatical
Speaker 2: case that only get normally. It's like for cops, right,
Speaker 2: shots were fired, someone was hit, there was a gun
Speaker 2: not registered, a legal.
Speaker 4: Gun in his possession.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's just so amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole situation, and there's there's still a lot
Speaker 3: of like what happened, Yeah, the story gets really convoluted.
Speaker 3: There's stuff coming out right now about it. You know
Speaker 3: that it's been twenty years and we're still just now
Speaker 3: getting like the pieces that come out about stuff about
Speaker 3: like oh, this actually happened or this person was involved.
Speaker 3: So it's definitely a bit of like you know, lost
Speaker 3: a time and the whole concept of how unreliable human
Speaker 3: beings are, like recounting things that have happened to them,
Speaker 3: even completely sober, with no issues, not at a club
Speaker 3: at two o'clock in the.
Speaker 4: Morning in New York.
Speaker 2: You know, I have clear procedural memories of about thirty
Speaker 2: percent of our friendship.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, it's all flashes.
Speaker 4: It's like all flashes. It's lot.
Speaker 2: Turns out, so Combs thanked God after the verdict and
Speaker 2: made a big show of going to church after. To
Speaker 2: further separate himself from the event, he changed his name
Speaker 2: officially to telling Vanity Fair. When I changed names, I
Speaker 2: put periods on those eras and the P Didty era
Speaker 2: I love that got off from a fucking club shooting
Speaker 2: time to become P Diddy. The P Diddy era was lucrative. Indeed,
Speaker 2: he released more albums, he acted in several movies, and
Speaker 2: he started producing reality television. He gets that Sakvod good.
Speaker 4: Deal, right, Yeah, this is right?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yep, making the band, yep, making the band.
Speaker 2: In two thousand and two, he won awards for his
Speaker 2: menswear fashion line. Sean John did cause a minor scandal
Speaker 2: for him when it was found that the clothing he
Speaker 2: sold was made in Honduran's sweatshops. With a terrible record
Speaker 2: for workers' rights.
Speaker 3: It happens, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: It happens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know you're gonna gonna try and get that.
Speaker 4: That canna be some sweatshots.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna have to sweatshot.
Speaker 2: None of that kept him down for long. In two
Speaker 2: thousand and four, he performed at the Super Bowl, he
Speaker 2: started his famous voter Dyke campaign.
Speaker 4: That election, man, that was huge. If you were a
Speaker 4: teenager in the nineties.
Speaker 2: UD Diddy was telling me to vote yep.
Speaker 4: DP Diddy was recommending people to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Money continued to flow by the hundreds of millions. As
Speaker 2: the bushyars came to an end, P did he changed
Speaker 2: his name yet again, this time dropping the P and
Speaker 2: becoming just Diddy. His white parties remained infamous social events,
Speaker 2: but he also held increasing numbers of freak offs. These
Speaker 2: were not for public consumption and acted as an opportunity
Speaker 2: for him to provide himself and his celebrity friends with
Speaker 2: endless young women drugs and young women on drugs. Now,
Speaker 2: this brings me to the story of La Troya Grayson,
Speaker 2: who had aged twenty three to one tickets via a
Speaker 2: radio show to attend a ditty party. Her only recollections
Speaker 2: of the event were meeting Mary J. Blige, having a drink,
Speaker 2: and then blacking out. Because again she was drugged, She
Speaker 2: has hazy memories of three or four guys she didn't
Speaker 2: know taking her out of the room. She woke up
Speaker 2: in the hospital, very ill and vomiting until she was
Speaker 2: released several hours later. Quote. I left with no shoes on.
Speaker 2: My shirt was kind of ripped. I noticed all my
Speaker 2: money was taken out of my purse except for like
Speaker 2: twenty dollars. I got robbed for my money. I had
Speaker 2: just enough to get back to a motel in a
Speaker 2: cab because.
Speaker 3: So fucked up, Like these people are also not wealthy people.
Speaker 3: They're doing this because they don't have money.
Speaker 2: Out She what a contest on the radio and then
Speaker 2: you get robbed anyway.
Speaker 4: Party now.
Speaker 2: She also says she realized afterwards that her vagina was sore.
Speaker 2: She's not certain what happened because again she was drugged.
Speaker 2: Drugged almost certainly not a good story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't remember half the things that happened to
Speaker 4: me yesterday. Half super you know. Yeah, literally they found
Speaker 4: baby oil.
Speaker 3: With GHB and it. They weren't fucking around up in
Speaker 3: that place a marble. In the wake of all of this,
Speaker 3: I've read a ton of stories of people that have
Speaker 3: recounted like their their Diddy situation, and so many of
Speaker 3: them like induced with drugs in the most despicable ways,
Speaker 3: the unexpected ways, not even drinking ways, like the I
Speaker 3: had a soda ways, you know, like not crossing even
Speaker 3: a boundary of alcohol, you know. And it's so it's
Speaker 3: like to see this ship happen to people, It's it's
Speaker 3: like it's it's targeted and mean and shitty. It's like
Speaker 3: it's it's just like, yes, it's evil. It is evil.
Speaker 3: I'm not a god person, but it's evil. It's like
Speaker 3: going after people that that are just living normal lives
Speaker 3: and trying.
Speaker 1: To person one a context, one a contest and this
Speaker 1: is what and this is how and this is how
Speaker 1: it ended. Like that's disgusting, vile, evil.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's it's it's horrible. It's like the type of
Speaker 3: ship that you're like, what the oh.
Speaker 4: And I'm not done with the story, unfortunately.
Speaker 2: I'm going to read next. From an article on MSN.
Speaker 2: After the incident, Grayson flew back to her home state, Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: and he claims to have received an unsettling phone call
Speaker 2: the next day in which a female allegedly attempted to
Speaker 2: dissuade Grayson from speaking up Regarding the ordeal, She recounted
Speaker 2: the anonymous woman's warning she had all my information and
Speaker 2: was basically telling me that I couldn't do anything about it,
Speaker 2: that puff Daddy was a famous person and I wouldn't
Speaker 2: get anywhere with the issue if I tried to do anything. Puzzled,
Speaker 2: Grayson queried, so, I'm like, well, how did you even
Speaker 2: get my phone number? Do you know anything about my
Speaker 2: money being missing? She's like, no, I don't know nothing
Speaker 2: about that. I'm like, well, I mean, how did you
Speaker 2: even get my phone number?
Speaker 3: Rude, man, It's just so dark, dude. This is.
Speaker 4: The power dynamic.
Speaker 3: As someone who has been in the industry, right, It's
Speaker 3: like even people that.
Speaker 2: You're like a teenager, twenty year old girl whatever from
Speaker 2: fucking Oklahoma with no money and he has goddamn p daddy.
Speaker 3: Let me let me put this in perspective for people
Speaker 3: for real.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, I was going into the music industry.
Speaker 3: I was a twenty six year old male, six foot tall,
Speaker 3: hundred eighty five pounds in.
Speaker 2: The pretty decent shape, you know, with combat experience.
Speaker 3: Because I was an ex marine with combat experience who
Speaker 3: had been shot twenty eight times. I felt pressure from
Speaker 3: people at times. I felt pressured to do things that
Speaker 3: I didn't want to do at times. You know, So
Speaker 3: in perspective of like being just like a naive person
Speaker 3: trying to get into the music industry like young, like
Speaker 3: like no real harsh life experience, it is easy to
Speaker 3: see that you could be asked to do something, to
Speaker 3: be put in positions as you don't want to be in,
Speaker 3: and how far people will make you go just because
Speaker 3: you're afraid, because you're like actually believe that, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you have power that I don't understand.
Speaker 2: And we're talking about the people who know something was
Speaker 2: done to them and who have spoken out about it.
Speaker 2: For every one of these not only are there obviously
Speaker 2: there are people who haven't stroken up, but there are
Speaker 2: also people who maybe years away from like actually coming
Speaker 2: to Grips with no, actually that was bad, that was
Speaker 2: like really fucked up what happened? I even thought about
Speaker 2: it as like a good thing for a while, or
Speaker 2: at least like a mixed thing bag form of it, Like, no,
Speaker 2: that was actually really fun. Like, there's people coming to
Speaker 2: terms with that right now.
Speaker 4: Still, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Grayson is not yet part of any of the ongoing
Speaker 2: lawsuits against Sean, but her case represents the edge of
Speaker 2: how women were victimized at his events right in that
Speaker 2: she's not entirely sure what happened or even if she
Speaker 2: was sexually assaulted because again drug, but the well lit
Speaker 2: photos full of celebrities existed for one purpose to burnish
Speaker 2: Sean's image. In order to keep his famous and wealthy
Speaker 2: friends happy and to sate his own desires. He also
Speaker 2: had to bring in cau as you stated, all of
Speaker 2: these young women to be at the to act as
Speaker 2: party favors. Right, that's how we bring you have these
Speaker 2: radio contests. Some of them are paid sex workers, some
Speaker 2: of them are women. Okay, you've just gotten started in
Speaker 2: your career, you know, in the music industry or as
Speaker 2: a model. You're at a low level in it right now.
Speaker 2: Why don't you like come over to this party? You know, like,
Speaker 2: why don't you, uh, you know and that, and then
Speaker 2: you get there and then you get coerced. Some of
Speaker 2: the women at these parties are paid sex workers, but
Speaker 2: many of them are like great that women are being
Speaker 2: poached in one way or another. Right, there's a different
Speaker 2: method for all of them, and that means did he's
Speaker 2: not handling this himself. He has a team of people
Speaker 2: who are using different methods constantly to find women.
Speaker 3: Because these parties are nineteen seventies equivalent of the roadie
Speaker 3: who picks the girls out of the concert.
Speaker 4: You know, this look like they're down more people.
Speaker 2: Than work at the company Sophie and I run. Their
Speaker 2: job is just to keep young women coming to these
Speaker 2: parties as he is spending god knows how many millions
Speaker 2: of dollars a year on just that part of it, right.
Speaker 3: And it shows even when he was busted in Florida,
Speaker 3: I believe it was like he had a drug meal
Speaker 3: with him at the time. It was like he was
Speaker 3: always employing people to be the bad guy in the situation. Right,
Speaker 3: you have someone right ahead of you with the drugs. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: you give that shit to somebody else. That's their problem
Speaker 3: if they get caught. You have accepted you. You are
Speaker 3: the one that goes to jail. You say yes, this
Speaker 3: is mine and you go to jail. That's the accepted
Speaker 3: position of that person for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Precious Muir a former Playboy model, was one of
Speaker 2: the women who attended a number of his parties. She
Speaker 2: claims that he provided a car service to drive models
Speaker 2: to and from the events, and that did he had
Speaker 2: agents basically picking women out in public and plying them
Speaker 2: with invites. She summarized the pitch one of these guys
Speaker 2: gave her as I host these amazing parties. Everything is
Speaker 2: taken care of if you don't have to worry about anything.
Speaker 2: We provide accommodation, so when you go to the Hamptons,
Speaker 2: there is a house you can stay at which is
Speaker 2: very beautiful, very lavish, very stylish, and you don't have
Speaker 2: to worry about anything. You don't have to pay it
Speaker 2: for anything. Everything is covered. At the time she started attending,
Speaker 2: Precious was new to the industry, without power or connections.
Speaker 2: Being invited to these parties seemed like the opportunity of
Speaker 2: a lifetime. You can impress these guys, make your career,
Speaker 2: and then you're just kind of, as she said, we
Speaker 2: were kind of thrown in at the deep end amongst
Speaker 2: all these people that are well established. People automatically knew
Speaker 2: that we were new faces, we were new talent, and
Speaker 2: we were vulnerable. We were seen maybe as fresh meat.
Speaker 3: The power of influence, the power of like being able
Speaker 3: to change your life in a moment.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know, Like we have a thousand of
Speaker 4: these stories.
Speaker 3: We have a thousand of bone thugs in the studio.
Speaker 3: One woman came in and sang the hook, and it
Speaker 3: was the moment of her Like, that's the thing that
Speaker 3: keeps that shit going.
Speaker 4: Is the dream.
Speaker 2: If you're in entertainment, I can say, like when I
Speaker 2: was new in my career, if I had had to
Speaker 2: do something horrible for myself and my brain and body
Speaker 2: in order to get a break as a writer, when
Speaker 2: I was a baby writer, like I thought about it,
Speaker 2: like I was like, yeah, I'll do anything, right, Like,
Speaker 2: that's where your head is if you're trying to break in,
Speaker 2: And that's what that's why so much bad stuff.
Speaker 4: Right right, Like it's the hardest.
Speaker 3: I mean, the reward is so great, right, the reward
Speaker 3: of being like at the top of this industry is
Speaker 3: so great that it is really hard to deny that.
Speaker 3: There's like, when you want it that bad, right, you
Speaker 3: want it bad enough to put in eighty hours, one
Speaker 3: hundred hours.
Speaker 4: A week doing it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, you also want it bad enough to like
Speaker 3: cross some lines every now and then.
Speaker 2: You know, and it's difficult to those moments what happens
Speaker 2: to me?
Speaker 4: Right yeah, right, right, everybody goes through that thing.
Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, I'm fine as long as it just
Speaker 3: fucks me up, right, Like that's really the thing.
Speaker 4: It's just gonna fuck me up. Like I can take
Speaker 4: some trauma. Yeah, yeah, I can take some trauma.
Speaker 3: That dude. Everybody that's been in this industry for real
Speaker 3: knows that it's fine if it's fucking me now.
Speaker 4: I have had my own moments of like no, no, no,
Speaker 4: I won't.
Speaker 3: Watch you fuck somebody else up, you know, yeah, And
Speaker 3: I won't watch you do this to another person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that the problem is that there's just so
Speaker 2: many people who don't have that line.
Speaker 3: Right. Of course, the line is also I'll let you
Speaker 3: fuck me up, like I'll let you ruin me yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's like, as long as no one else is
Speaker 3: seeing that, it's okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So because of the nature of how the lawsuits are
Speaker 2: coming out over there, I have no choice but to
Speaker 2: jump around. So I'm just going to stay right now.
Speaker 2: In February of twenty twenty four, a record producer named
Speaker 2: Rodney Jones Junior filed a federal complaint against Sean, accusing
Speaker 2: him of running a human trafficking network to stock his
Speaker 2: parties with women and girls from a write up and Vulture.
Speaker 2: According to Jones, as he alleges in the complaint, Combs
Speaker 2: reached out to Jones in twenty twenty two to help
Speaker 2: him produce songs, but Jones claims the work Comebs required
Speaker 2: of him went far beyond producing music. He claims in
Speaker 2: the lawsuit that he was tasked with procuring drugs and
Speaker 2: soliciting sex workers to perform sex acts to the pleasure
Speaker 2: of mister Combs. Jones alleges that Combs also required him
Speaker 2: to tape these sex acts, and that Combs would often
Speaker 2: threaten to inflict bodily harm on him if he did
Speaker 2: not comply with his demands. Jones alleged in his complaint
Speaker 2: that Combs kept specific bottles of alcohol designated for females
Speaker 2: on hand, and according to mister Jones, mister Combs forced
Speaker 2: all the women to drink laced de Leon liquor. Upon
Speaker 2: information and belief, mister Combs laced the liquor with ecstasy.
Speaker 2: The lawsuit claims. He also accuses Combs of sexual harassment
Speaker 2: and assault for allegedly grabbing him without his consent and
Speaker 2: forcing him to work while Comb's paraded around naked. Jones
Speaker 2: also alleges that Combs once left him alone in a
Speaker 2: makeshift studio on a yacht with Cuba Gooding Junior. Goddam,
Speaker 2: I have been twitching with anticipations.
Speaker 4: Where comes in?
Speaker 3: God damn it, Cuba good enginr Oh my god, dude,
Speaker 3: the fucking Cuba Gooding.
Speaker 2: If he is start to know he gropes the guy.
Speaker 4: Folks, he is the worst.
Speaker 3: Cuba Gooding Junior. If you are watching on YouTube right
Speaker 3: now or whatever, I'm.
Speaker 4: Here going big twitching waiting.
Speaker 3: For Cuba Gooding Junior's name to come out of your mouth,
Speaker 3: because goddamn Cuba Gooding Junior, the disgusting piece of ship.
Speaker 4: Cuba Gooding Junior.
Speaker 3: Every read spend ten minutes of your life and read
Speaker 3: about what Cuba Gooding Junior did to this guy, and
Speaker 3: then follow that up with a cursory. I mean, the
Speaker 3: least the Google search of anything else he's done. That
Speaker 3: guy is the biggest piece of ship that is ever.
Speaker 2: If you've ever wondered like we all did for a
Speaker 2: period of time after he won that oscar.
Speaker 4: Why hasn't he been him? Because he's a monster. He's
Speaker 4: a monster, because he's fucking monster. This is my Hannibal
Speaker 4: Burta's Bill Cosby moment.
Speaker 3: Fucking Cuba Gooding Junior is a monster and we need
Speaker 3: to connect laws and federal goddamn statues against this person.
Speaker 3: He is a horrible human being and and what he
Speaker 3: has done to the world is disgusting.
Speaker 2: Take the sanctions off of Cuba, the country and put
Speaker 2: them off onto Cuba the guy immediately immediately.
Speaker 1: You know who he did play though radio? He played
Speaker 1: fucking O J.
Speaker 2: Simpson at that and to be honest, he was king.
Speaker 2: He played in the in the TV show where Ross
Speaker 2: from Friends played rock.
Speaker 4: One of your favorite things, one of my favorite.
Speaker 3: Things, dude. It breaks my heart every time I think
Speaker 3: about that thing, because.
Speaker 4: Like, oh God, Cuba good to June is a horrible
Speaker 4: human being. He did horrible things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and somehow knocks it out of the park, is Ohjay.
Speaker 3: Not how No, but like has managed to evade all
Speaker 3: of this puppy like.
Speaker 2: Hopefully, and that's coming to an end now because stuff
Speaker 2: about him, more stuff is coming out about him, you know,
Speaker 2: we could talk more about Q, but I think we've
Speaker 2: we've made our point.
Speaker 4: He'll get his own episode. Give it time, yeah.
Speaker 2: Combs's lawyers have denied the allegations and described Jones as
Speaker 2: a con man. Subsequent allegations and the federal indictment against
Speaker 2: Combs seemed to back up a number of the allegations
Speaker 2: made by Jones. A few months before Jones filed that complaint.
Speaker 2: In February and December of twenty twenty three, A Jane
Speaker 2: Doe filed a lawsuit in Manhattan alleging that she was
Speaker 2: gang raped and trafficked by Combs and Bad Boy Records
Speaker 2: president Harvey Pierre when she was in the eleventh grade.
Speaker 2: These allegations comport with the scenario Precious Mirror described in
Speaker 2: her interview with The Mirror. Apparently, Pierre met this eleventh
Speaker 2: grader at a lounge in Detroit and used Diddy's name
Speaker 2: to draw her in. Holmes then approached and told her, Hey,
Speaker 2: you're welcome on my private jet, which was flying to
Speaker 2: his studio. Once they were there, she was given lots
Speaker 2: of drugs and quote gang raped by Combs, Pierre, and
Speaker 2: an unknown third person. There are a lot of other
Speaker 2: hideous details.
Speaker 4: You know, yes said term gang rate.
Speaker 3: Make no mistake, this is a story that repeats itself
Speaker 3: dozens and dozens of times across every so many to
Speaker 3: the point where it starts to be like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: we missed Jimmy Saville for like, yeah, sixty years, we
Speaker 3: didn't see it. He's getting his episode soon.
Speaker 4: We missed it all, oh man, turns out we almost
Speaker 4: always do. Yeah, yeah, we miss it a lot of times.
Speaker 3: Turns out we're not as brilliant as we think we're.
Speaker 4: The rumors abounded.
Speaker 3: There was tons of it happening, like you hear it
Speaker 3: all the time, but you just make like you make
Speaker 3: the decisions to keep yourselves out of those situations a.
Speaker 2: Smaller scale, just being you know, I've been in comedy.
Speaker 2: I was adjacent. I was never a big stand up guy,
Speaker 2: but like I did a little and a lot of
Speaker 2: my friends did. I went out to regular events as
Speaker 2: I was employed in comedy, and like you just get
Speaker 2: told by people. You meet someone and they'll be like, oh,
Speaker 2: we should hang out, and then someone else will be like,
Speaker 2: don't hang out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't, don't don't hang out with.
Speaker 2: And it's usually usually a woman that you work with
Speaker 2: will say like, that guy's piece of shit. You don't
Speaker 2: want to write that guy's a piece of shit. You
Speaker 2: don't want to know them. That guy's a piece like that,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, And I said that earlier too. It's like
Speaker 3: that old krusty dude that's like, hey man.
Speaker 2: Don't work with that guy. You know, Like, yeah, you
Speaker 2: don't want to be new.
Speaker 3: You hear the stories for a long time before you're
Speaker 3: ever asked to do the things you know and like.
Speaker 4: But the problem comes when you don't hear the stories.
Speaker 3: You know. The problem comes when you are new to
Speaker 3: town and you're the first person to sit down at
Speaker 3: YEP and somebody's like, hey man.
Speaker 2: Fucking Oklahoma, right and getting flown in.
Speaker 3: Yeah. All you know is the RepU of that person
Speaker 3: that exists in the tabloids or on the internet. You
Speaker 3: don't know the story about hey man, don't.
Speaker 4: Go to those parties because it's not good, yo.
Speaker 2: Bad shit. In two thousand and six, Ditty's longtime partner
Speaker 2: Kim Porter, gave birth to twins. That was the same
Speaker 2: year that a friend gave birth to his daughter Chance.
Speaker 2: Kim considered this a betrayal and broke things off. With Diddy.
Speaker 2: While all this was going on, he was also starting
Speaker 2: a quote unquote relationship with a young woman named Cassandra Ventura.
Speaker 2: He had signed her to his label at age nineteen
Speaker 2: and started a sexual relationship with her shortly thereafter. He
Speaker 2: was thirty seven at the time. It was Cassandra's allegations
Speaker 2: against him that would eventually open the floodgates of legal
Speaker 2: consequences for Ditty. But before we get to that, I'm
Speaker 2: going to quote from The Independent summarizing just a series
Speaker 2: of his trials in the mid aughts. Eight months after
Speaker 2: his twenty fourteen Howard commencement speech, TMZ reported that he
Speaker 2: punched Drake in a Miami nightclub because of a viewed
Speaker 2: over a song, which, in a rare case for these episodes,
Speaker 2: points for Diddy on that. Six months later, he was
Speaker 2: arrested and charged in California with three counts of assault
Speaker 2: with a deadly weapon, one count of making terrorist threats,
Speaker 2: and one count of battery after allegedly attacking one of
Speaker 2: his football coaches at u C l A. The assault
Speaker 2: reportedly involved a kettlebell, but prosecutors ultimately decided not to pursue.
Speaker 1: Because his son, Justin Ye to play football, but.
Speaker 2: You gotta do something real bad for me to be
Speaker 2: on the side of a football coach. Guys, anyway, speaking
Speaker 2: of football coaches, coach yourself on over to this podcast.
Speaker 4: Sorry, we've been at this a while.
Speaker 2: And we're back and finishing up the epic tale.
Speaker 4: Epic tale of and.
Speaker 1: Into the stuff we are.
Speaker 2: We're going to get into the Kassie stuff now. Yes, Cassie,
Speaker 2: who was for a while his in kedu. If we're
Speaker 2: doing the yogem meshra anyway, whatever, let's talk to after
Speaker 2: his split from kim Porter. She was the woman largely
Speaker 2: seen as Diddy's public partner.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: She was a singer and a model in her own rights. Yeah,
Speaker 2: very talented. The two are generally depicted in media as
Speaker 2: like a power couple, right. In a civil lawsuit filed
Speaker 2: earlier this year, Miss Ventura claims that from the beginning,
Speaker 2: Sean used his wealth and power to force her into
Speaker 2: a quote manipulative and coercive romantic and sexual relationship. He
Speaker 2: assaulted her, constantly beating and kicking her and regularly leaving
Speaker 2: quote black eyes, bruises and blood. Cassandra describes his freak
Speaker 2: offs in her lawsuit and alleged that he would often
Speaker 2: secretly film the days of debauchery with his famous friends.
Speaker 2: The videotapes doubled as fuel for extortion if anyone crossed him,
Speaker 2: which is part of why his social circle was so
Speaker 2: loyal and so quiet for so long. Right, he has
Speaker 2: videos of them doing the crimes. Again, The movie Don't
Speaker 2: Blink really does cover a lot of this, and as
Speaker 2: a bonus has Christian Slater and that's never a bad time.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Christians is amazing.
Speaker 4: Man, he's fucking great. Yeah, I love, I love Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's dark man, it's like this.
Speaker 3: Do you talk about the fact that kim Porter also dies?
Speaker 2: We yes, yes, age forty seven. That hasn't happened yet though.
Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot of like where it gets
Speaker 3: to the point where it's like, god, dude, like the
Speaker 3: people around.
Speaker 1: You, so many things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's just too many things.
Speaker 3: The kid cutting explosion, like of his car where he says.
Speaker 2: His car, yes, yes, there's a kid cut it.
Speaker 3: Yes, There's so many things that you're like, oh my god, dude,
Speaker 3: you are a bad person.
Speaker 2: You're a bad friend.
Speaker 3: There's something bad about you. And I just like every
Speaker 3: person has a oh did you ever work with this
Speaker 3: guy type story. It's like it's it's one of those
Speaker 3: like badges of honor almost sometimes here in the industry
Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, yeah, man, I spent a week
Speaker 3: with Diddy.
Speaker 4: Man, you know, yeah.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Speaking of which, let's talk about the Kid Cutty story,
Speaker 2: because you hear about this first. In twenty twelve, gossip
Speaker 2: blogs report that Cassie, who was dating Kid Cutty at
Speaker 2: the time, and Diddy, had had a fight in a club.
Speaker 2: And now in the lawsuit, Cassie claims that did he quote,
Speaker 2: blew up a man's car after he learned he was
Speaker 2: romantically interested in Ventura. And here's my favorite quote. This
Speaker 2: is from the Salon dot com article. The New York
Speaker 2: Times said through a spokesperson that Kid Cutty confirmed Cassie's
Speaker 2: account that his car exploded in his driveway. This is
Speaker 2: all true. He said, Oh my god, Yeah, just a
Speaker 2: car explosion.
Speaker 4: No way to say who did it? Yeah, man, who knows.
Speaker 3: I was pissing this one dude off, And sometimes shit happens.
Speaker 2: Sometimes shit happens. Yeah, I don't know anything about him,
Speaker 2: but he's cool and he has one less car than
Speaker 2: he would otherwise have. We can say that for sure,
Speaker 2: so true from the New York Times quote. Cassie in
Speaker 2: her lawsuit said that mister Combs directed frequent freak offs
Speaker 2: at high end hotels around the country, directing at the
Speaker 2: events to poor excessive amounts of oil on herself and
Speaker 2: tell her where to touch the prostitutes while he filmed
Speaker 2: and masturbated. We're not gonna like go into a ton
Speaker 2: of detail about the massive amount of baby oil, but
Speaker 2: there's a lot of it. Some of it's drugged.
Speaker 3: Us. There was a reason why they confiscated like a
Speaker 3: thousand bottles of baby literally thou Yeah, it was like
Speaker 3: it was like there's a reason why that that happened,
Speaker 3: and there was absolutely.
Speaker 1: Costco had to come out and a dog.
Speaker 2: We don't.
Speaker 1: We don't sell that ship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't that ship.
Speaker 1: We are not in on that ship.
Speaker 2: The only reason I can think of to drug it
Speaker 2: is because you are getting it inside people in their
Speaker 2: mucus membranes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, like.
Speaker 2: Fucking mbma or whatever. It isn't going to absorb. It's
Speaker 2: not a bodily in someone's vagina. And so again, like
Speaker 2: it's just it's hideous, right, Like we don't need to
Speaker 2: belabor that point. I think you get it right. Cassie
Speaker 2: says in her lawsuit he treated the forced encounter as
Speaker 2: a personal art project, adjusting the candles he used for
Speaker 2: lighting to frame the vis that he took.
Speaker 4: Brothers in our tour sex crimes.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I wonder if he and Epstein ever a party. They
Speaker 2: certainly had the opportunity.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but Trump's the common link, which is
Speaker 3: hilarious because yeah, of course you say, didd he is
Speaker 3: a great guy.
Speaker 4: He's my friend and also your best friends with Epstein.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen, kim Porter passes away. The cause of
Speaker 2: death was initially listed as deferred, but it was later
Speaker 2: confirmed that she died of pneumonia. Right, and and a
Speaker 2: lot of.
Speaker 3: Conspiracy talking. There's a lot of paybe but but to
Speaker 3: be fair, I know, King Comb's posted dishes son Yeah, Christian,
Speaker 3: he posted that there has never been any question amongst
Speaker 3: children that his death.
Speaker 2: People do just die sometimes.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's absolutely reasonable to say that people do, in
Speaker 3: fact just die sometimes.
Speaker 2: But yeah again, people have also said maybe that death
Speaker 2: should be looked into, and probably not a bad idea.
Speaker 4: Take a look, Take a look. JFK's head just exploded. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't just know that. He just did just that.
Speaker 4: Christians just do that.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's a pre existing condition, pre existing. In twenty seventeen,
Speaker 2: did he changed his name yet again. He told the
Speaker 2: world he would now go by Love or brother Love
Speaker 2: and really yeah.
Speaker 4: Yes, a lot of people missed this.
Speaker 1: Era. Knew this, I fucking knew this.
Speaker 4: This is the snoop Lion era.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he legally changes his name because Love is his
Speaker 2: legal middle name. He tells Vanity Fair at the time.
Speaker 2: Love is a mission. I feel like that's one of
Speaker 2: the biggest missions that will actually shift things. But besides that,
Speaker 2: we the world is different. We have the Internet, we
Speaker 2: have the power, we have a culture. I have us
Speaker 2: on a five year plan. First off, yeah, talking like
Speaker 2: Stalin there. Second, that was more than five years ago.
Speaker 2: Had the plan workout, did he?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Man, good job broken Joseph Diddy Barria hell Now. During
Speaker 2: this period, Diddy's public image remained mostly benign.
Speaker 1: In articles from you know he named his youngest baby
Speaker 1: love right.
Speaker 4: Yes he did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it happens with famous people. You see it with
Speaker 2: Elon Muskin X. You know, yeah, just name your kids
Speaker 2: something else. I don't care what you name your kids? Fine?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Alberque, Yeah, why we gotta be weird about everything?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, in articles from the time he was fitted
Speaker 2: as a genius producer and interviewer, seemed happy to ignore
Speaker 2: the numerous assault allegations that way, you know, we're kind
Speaker 2: of in the shadows but not too shadowy to have found,
Speaker 2: and the very public fact that he had definitely killed
Speaker 2: people through negligence and had them murdered. He even managed
Speaker 2: to avoid me too entirely. In fact, in that interview,
Speaker 2: he tells Vanity Fair the movement inspired him and quote
Speaker 2: showed me you can get maximum change. Didn't say a
Speaker 2: word about his friend Weinstein that he's been looking for
Speaker 2: a project with what seven.
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, sometimes people are sucking out there doing
Speaker 3: the you know, dodge ball equivalent of making it through life.
Speaker 2: You know, I just can't get felt like dodge that bullet.
Speaker 2: Clearly it's clean sailing from here on out.
Speaker 3: Which is crazy because I mean, Sophie back on this,
Speaker 3: the Danny the Cane stuff. They talked about a lot
Speaker 3: of ship that he did so much super adjacent, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like never sexual assault, but super adjacent.
Speaker 4: To Robert about this because I was one of the
Speaker 4: first day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Aubrio day comes out for years, like at least
Speaker 2: a couple of years saying I don't think she sees
Speaker 2: or has evidence, and obviously you don't want to casually
Speaker 2: before all this breaks, call him a section.
Speaker 1: He has a lot of money, vocal about him for
Speaker 1: so many years.
Speaker 2: Yes, she did everything she could.
Speaker 1: But also she said Don Junior was her soulmate, so
Speaker 1: people like really stopped taking her and had an affair
Speaker 1: with him. There was like a lot of stuff there,
Speaker 1: so people didn't believe her, but she was fucking right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think one of the most direct things
Speaker 2: she said in twenty twenty two, in an interview on
Speaker 2: the Call Her Daddy podcast, she said that Diddy had
Speaker 2: fired her because she quote wasn't willing to do what
Speaker 2: was expected, not talent wise, but in other areas.
Speaker 3: Right, right, brutal, brutal, brutal brutal, very clear what that means.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And here's another quote from an article again this
Speaker 2: is before Everything Breaks in Varieties is twenty nineteen called
Speaker 2: Abrio Dat is still recovering from making the band PTSD
Speaker 2: and making the past the reality show that didn't Oh mab.
Speaker 1: Them suffered so much. It's so horrible.
Speaker 2: Puff is a very difficult person to work with. Everything
Speaker 2: had to be perfect. I remember times where he looked
Speaker 2: at my toenails and was like, what is your third
Speaker 2: toenail doing? Go get that shit fixed before you walk
Speaker 2: into a room. Or we would be in rehearsals performing
Speaker 2: an hour and a half sece you get your toenails,
Speaker 2: and I would walk in for five minutes with a
Speaker 2: camera and say, Aubrey, why are you sweating? You look
Speaker 2: like a wet dog. You're the hot one, so you
Speaker 2: think anyone wants to see that? And again, this is
Speaker 2: all pretty minor next to all the horrible sections.
Speaker 3: It's like, you understand, it's like somebody that will go
Speaker 3: to the links of like fucking with your third toe,
Speaker 3: like the type make you feel powers about who you are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, no, guys, listen. I distinctly remember a
Speaker 1: clip from that show where all of them were presented
Speaker 1: to him and he like went one by one critiquing
Speaker 1: their personal appearance, and the things he said were just
Speaker 1: horshic and inhuman. But specifically that story is crazy because
Speaker 1: like Aubrey, like basically you could even see it and
Speaker 1: it like morphed into like whatever it was asked of her,
Speaker 1: and then he'd tear that down too, So, you know.
Speaker 3: To Devil's advocate this stupid situation because I hate to
Speaker 3: do it, but like I've been on the I've been
Speaker 3: in reality shows for some reason when you want to
Speaker 3: like hire somebody to pretend to be an engineer in
Speaker 3: a reality show.
Speaker 4: Because all of these people want to be musicians.
Speaker 3: Like I get hired to do these like stupid reality
Speaker 3: shows to play myself in a reality show. And so
Speaker 3: I've had these situations where I see the way it
Speaker 3: actually goes down, and it is absolutely people pushing the
Speaker 3: worst narrative. But here's the thing that I think that's
Speaker 3: really important to understand about it is that some people
Speaker 3: their worst is not that bad, you know, like in
Speaker 3: comparative speaking, it's like you see them do these like
Speaker 3: like like oh, they're trying to ham it up for TV,
Speaker 3: and they're not really good at being like me and people, right,
Speaker 3: you can feel the difference between somebody who's capable of
Speaker 3: actually coming up with shit that makes people feel horrible
Speaker 3: about themselves, you know, like to really like be a
Speaker 3: shitty person towards somebody. And that's the type of thing
Speaker 3: that you see in this where it's like man to
Speaker 3: like attack your toes like the way your toes look
Speaker 3: to attack like these like arbitrary things. They know that
Speaker 3: that's something that cuts deep on a person, that makes
Speaker 3: them second guess themselves, like deep inside themselves, you know.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, absolutely so. About five years after saying that
Speaker 2: he was inspired by me too in that article for
Speaker 2: Vanity Fair, Cassandra came forward with her lawsuit and she
Speaker 2: was joined very quickly in a flood of lawsuits. Not
Speaker 2: all of the people charging Sean with sexual assault are women.
Speaker 2: We have mostly focused on that, but I want to
Speaker 2: be very clear that he is alleged of assaulting men
Speaker 2: to not just through Cuba. One man currently incarcerated in
Speaker 2: Michigan for kidnapping and criminal sexual conduct himself says that
Speaker 2: did he drugged and raped him in Detroit in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety seven. A judgment was briefly issued on that case.
Speaker 2: But did he's lawyers, because they hadn't appeared in court,
Speaker 2: uncleared me what happened, you know. But like that's not
Speaker 2: the only allegation of him abusing a man. To write,
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 3: Want to be clear about that, there's just less of it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's damn near fifty to fifty on the ratio on this.
Speaker 3: It's like it's pretty even. He he seems to be
Speaker 3: an equal opportunity sexual assault.
Speaker 2: And he's got famous friends who are gay and creeps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's also just like so many like allegedly
Speaker 1: things that have happened that like, obviously we can't comment
Speaker 1: as fact right now, but like as this trial proceeds,
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot more will come out. But there's
Speaker 1: a lot of grooming allegations as well.
Speaker 3: And to be very fair that it would be irresponsible
Speaker 3: to not mention the amount of people that will jump
Speaker 3: on a situation because they are themselves shitty people that
Speaker 3: will like jump on something, Oh this happened to me
Speaker 3: because they see the wave and it will give them
Speaker 3: a tiny bit of respect or money or whatever the fuck.
Speaker 3: But without a doubt, there is allegations that exist inside
Speaker 3: of this.
Speaker 1: That are horrifying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, horrifying and real.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: So there are so many of these allegations that we
Speaker 2: were not going to cover.
Speaker 3: More than them, right, We've done seven part I think
Speaker 3: this gives you a pretty good understanding of him, and
Speaker 3: the fact that I've cut out allegations which I've cut
Speaker 3: out like two for everyone I've included.
Speaker 2: It says nothing about the legitimacy of those It's just
Speaker 2: a space thing. I should say a bit here about
Speaker 2: Christina Korum kg R R A M. She was Combs's
Speaker 2: chief of staff and is a codesfendant in the Jones lawsuit.
Speaker 2: We talked about the lady from Oklahoma who was like
Speaker 2: brought into a party and drugged and possibly sexually assaulted
Speaker 2: and then called by a woman afterwards and threatened. I
Speaker 2: think there's a decent chance that was Christina Korum. Jones
Speaker 2: claims that Korum bought a lot of the drugs and
Speaker 2: actually handled the booking and paying of sex workers for
Speaker 2: Combs's parties. She was his Gillan Maxwell in other words.
Speaker 2: And also it's worth noting again I keep bringing up
Speaker 2: that movie that I didn't appreciate as much until this
Speaker 2: all came out link twice. The woman who is there's
Speaker 2: like an older woman who is like the creepy sex CEOs,
Speaker 2: like like Fixer, and she's Christina Korum. That's who I
Speaker 2: didn't real sie how directed was there.
Speaker 3: Is always somebody who is adjacent and willing to use
Speaker 3: their vulnerability with people. You know, their ability to access
Speaker 3: the vulnerability of people you know, that makes you feel like, Oh,
Speaker 3: it's a woman.
Speaker 4: I don't have to worry about what they There's always
Speaker 4: one of those.
Speaker 3: There is always one of those every single time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's Christina Korum. In this story, we'll see
Speaker 2: what happens to where Sean Puffy Combs was arrested on
Speaker 2: September sixteenth, twenty twenty four, several months after the FBI
Speaker 2: rated his La mansion and seized firearms, illegal drugs, and
Speaker 2: more than a thousand bottles of baby oil. Homes has
Speaker 2: been nied all charges and pled not guilty. More recently,
Speaker 2: a judge declined to set bail for him, noting that
Speaker 2: he's still posed a danger to the community.
Speaker 1: He's been nied bail like once a week, once a week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in the same part of the jail.
Speaker 4: Very recently.
Speaker 3: There's been all sorts of allegations of him, you know,
Speaker 3: stealing phones or bribing other inmates to let him use
Speaker 3: their phone time and like.
Speaker 4: To intimidate witnesses. Typically like he's already in jail trying
Speaker 4: to run ship from what they say. So it's like
Speaker 4: it's not like he's just chilling out in there being calm.
Speaker 4: He is absolutely still trying to run an intimidation game
Speaker 4: from inside prison.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: And that's the episode. Everybody.
Speaker 3: Well, you know I feel really good about money.
Speaker 4: Time to party.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I just want to make a lot
Speaker 3: of money so I can do anything I want.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I think I think we just we build an empire,
Speaker 3: take it to the FDA.
Speaker 2: We really, and that'll save us, you know, and our
Speaker 2: reputations will die historic, you know, in again fight with
Speaker 2: the FDA.
Speaker 4: That's all I want, the way to go down. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's all I want.
Speaker 3: Because they say you only die when the last person
Speaker 3: that remembers your name dies. You know.
Speaker 2: It's like and every one of those FDA agents is
Speaker 2: gonna remember us.
Speaker 3: Forever, children, all of their children's children, they'll never forget ye.
Speaker 2: Now we're gonna have to start selling supplements first, will
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: You know it's funny to me, man, every time I
Speaker 3: post on TikTok, people would be like, man, you would
Speaker 3: really like this behind the bastards, And I always.
Speaker 4: Every time with him do I ever?
Speaker 3: And I know that guy so funny yep.
Speaker 2: So this has been Behind the Bastards, a podcast about
Speaker 2: a guy. I almost named it go for It has
Speaker 2: been a fantastic time.
Speaker 3: I appreciate this ship out of you man, Thank you
Speaker 3: so much.
Speaker 4: Appreciating you too. Will let me hang out and get very.
Speaker 3: Drunk, get extremely drunk while listening to somebody that made
Speaker 3: me feel icky cool.
Speaker 4: That's the podcast e experience.
Speaker 2: I hope they went home or drunk or something to
Speaker 2: anybody and godspeed.
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