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Speaker 2: Nearly every major player at the Democratic Party has endorsed

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Speaker 2: Vice President Kamala Harris for the top of the ticket.

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Speaker 2: to in America Five ways my old party is driving

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Speaker 2: to react to President Biden withdrawing from the Democratic nomination

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Speaker 2: for president.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics Stuart Stevens for an emergency podcast.

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Speaker 3: Ah, great and great to be here. What do you

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Speaker 3: want to talk about?

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Speaker 4: Nothing? There's no news.

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Speaker 1: We do these emergency podcasts when there's no news, because

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Speaker 1: why not. It's Sunday. Joe Biden has just dropped out

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Speaker 1: of the race. He has endorsed Kamala Harre. We are

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Speaker 1: now in a very precarious but very exciting moment in

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Speaker 4: You're a campaign guy, what do you do next?

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Speaker 5: The key thing here is that the Harris campaign, and

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Speaker 5: I think it's pretty clear she's going to be the nominee.

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Speaker 3: Just since this.

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Speaker 5: Dropped, she's been endorsed by the Black Caucus, endorsed by

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Speaker 5: shortly by President Obama. I think the key is that

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Speaker 5: there'll be as seamless as possible transition from the Biden

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Speaker 5: Harris campaign to the Harris campaign. On staff and organizational level,

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Speaker 5: they say they have twelve hundred staffers out there, hundreds

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Speaker 5: I would be really focused on trying to put together

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Speaker 5: a call with the president and the Vice president and

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Speaker 5: all twelve hundred staffers who wanted to join, talking about

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Speaker 5: the same mission, continuing asking everybody to stay owned because

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Speaker 5: you just can't replicate this. I mean, a presidential campaign

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Speaker 5: a few weeks. You can't launch that because of Harris

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Speaker 4: But she's got to catch up.

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Speaker 1: You know, every evil and the various billionaire in the

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, we'll see about that.

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Speaker 5: People like Elon Musk make a lot of promises they

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Speaker 5: same thing in the primary when Allison said that he

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Speaker 5: you have this huge inefficiencies of the Trump campaign because

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Speaker 5: the two people running a Trump campaign, Chris Losovita and

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Speaker 5: Susy Wilde, what have they been telling their candidate? Have

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Speaker 5: Well, it's just it's classless. And what good did they

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do too.

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Speaker 1: So thank you, Stuart Stevens. You are the best, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, Molly, great, great to talk, great to talk.

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Speaker 1: Are you concerned with Project twenty twenty five and how

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Speaker 4: Right now, you can.

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Speaker 4: Rick Wilson New Tone. The tone is new. It's all

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Speaker 6: It's a brand new tone involving hannibal lecture, sharks, batteries,

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Speaker 6: it's the brand new tone of the same old shit.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I loved about this Republican

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Speaker 4: Presidentialve hundred percent right.

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Speaker 1: You would have had speakers that were moms, you know,

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 6: Look, you put wrestlers and UFC people up there and

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Speaker 6: all these other these, all these other signifiers to that group.

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Speaker 6: I mean, why not just have Andrew Tait on the

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Speaker 6: stage at this point?

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Speaker 4: Right? Well, no, I mean that's where this is going.

447
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Speaker 6: The matrix has Trump, and I will free him with

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Speaker 6: my masculine testoster run.

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Speaker 2: But the answer is that the US has extradition to Romania.

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Speaker 3: That's the problem.

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Speaker 1: Why do we think that the mainstream media keeps trying

452
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Speaker 1: to normalize Trump? And I think it's because they don't

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Speaker 1: want to look partisan, so they feel they can't talk

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Speaker 1: about what Trump.

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Speaker 6: Really is I have a darker vision of that.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's do it.

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Speaker 6: Tell me Caesar Konda at MSN, he's got mergers and

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Speaker 6: acquisition questions ahead. That was an article about that the

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Speaker 6: other day. I think CNN, with its current management, has

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Speaker 6: decided that Trump is good for business.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: Well, also CNN, they've worked the ref so hard with

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Speaker 1: CNN that it doesn't write so right. Right, I mean

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Speaker 1: like CNN has become they're just scared of their own

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Speaker 1: chadow at this point.

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Speaker 6: They are, they are so terrified of anything from Trump world.

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Speaker 6: They are petrified. Yes, you're correct. The refs have been

468
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Speaker 6: worked so long and so assiduously that you know, they

469
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Speaker 6: don't take a dump without worrying like, oh am I

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Speaker 6: going to offend Donald Trump?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: But it's also I think there is a certain feeling

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Speaker 1: that people have that there should be a narrative about Trump,

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Speaker 1: and after so many years, perhaps this narrative.

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Speaker 4: Can now be He's normal and.

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Speaker 1: So but again, what people it was so it was

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Speaker 1: covered so incredulously, and for example, like make America Affordable again?

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Speaker 4: Right, that was a whole.

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Speaker 1: Night of speeches, right, And then here's a person who

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Speaker 1: wants to do one hundred percent tariff.

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Speaker 6: I'm Chinese, gu I mean I find that true, truly,

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Speaker 6: like beyond comprehension. Tell me how one hundred percent tariffs

483
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Speaker 6: works to make American lives better? It doesn't.

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Speaker 4: How does it make things cheaper?

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Speaker 6: And they say all the time, like everything good American

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Speaker 6: goods made in America. Okay, that's a lovely sentiment. It

487
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Speaker 6: really is.

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Speaker 3: We do.

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Speaker 6: However, sorry to tell them live in a global economy.

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Speaker 6: That global economy is a complex monster, and if you're

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Speaker 6: not in it, you lose. You can't exist in the world. Look,

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Speaker 6: America cannot get workers who will work for the wages

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Speaker 6: and folks, and this may be right or wrong, but

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Speaker 6: you can't get American workers to work for the wages

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Speaker 6: of somebody who's making shoes in a factory in Vietnam.

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Speaker 6: A lot of the stuff that's happening now is you

497
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Speaker 6: can't even get some of the materials in this country anymore.

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Speaker 6: We don't make computer chips in this country now. Joe

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Speaker 6: Biden's trying to fix that. But we don't make the

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Speaker 6: chips that go into every one of your iPhones, folks,

501
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Speaker 6: we don't make them here. They're all made in Taiwan,

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Speaker 6: every single fucking one of them. It's made in Taiwan

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Speaker 6: or South Korea. We don't have the manufacturing base to

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Speaker 6: provide all the things that we need. And this is

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Speaker 6: a fucking fantasy. It's an eighteenth century, nineteenth century fantasy

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Speaker 6: about what trade and the economy really looks like. And

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Speaker 6: I got to be honest, it's tiresome. It's tiresome as shit.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's just it's boringly tiresome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just a lie, right, Like for example,

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Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff was like, you know, mass

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Speaker 1: deportations will look like those people will be put in camps. Right,

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Speaker 1: you can't deport you can't put twenty five million people

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Speaker 1: on an airplane or even ten or five, So they'll

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Speaker 1: go into camps. And mass deportation will make America more

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Speaker 1: expensive because it won't be labor, right, and you won't

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Speaker 1: have people coming here. You'll have these camps that will

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Speaker 1: be expensive. You'll have deporting people, which will be expensive,

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Speaker 1: which will make the economy shrink. And I mean it's

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Speaker 1: just this is this is easy to play this out,

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Speaker 1: but no one is. Like finishing the sentence, The.

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Speaker 3: Biggest part of vast deportation is that they have said.

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Speaker 6: They said the actual words, reporters, Let's focus on this.

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Speaker 6: They said the actual words getting rid of birthright citizenship.

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Speaker 6: So on top of the people who are here illegally,

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Speaker 6: you are going to take tens of millions of Americans

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Speaker 6: and turn them overnight into illegal aliens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, overnight.

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Speaker 6: Now, you tell me what happens when that. When that occurs,

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Speaker 6: you are going to have fathers shipped away. You're going

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Speaker 6: to have mothers shipped away. You're going to have children

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Speaker 6: who are who are who are deprived of their parents.

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Speaker 6: You're going to have an economic impact on this that

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Speaker 6: none of these morons is calculating at all.

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Speaker 3: This would be the.

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Speaker 6: Single most destructive decision that you could make about the

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Speaker 6: state of the American economy. It will wreck this economy.

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Speaker 6: It is not even a debate about what happens. It

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Speaker 6: will cause untold economic and personal and societal suffering. No

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Speaker 6: serious person would would believe that this is a good

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Speaker 6: idea except the people around you know who.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's also they don't care, right, because they there's

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Speaker 1: some amount of people who just think that maybe it

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Speaker 1: won't necessarily matter, right, There's some amount of people who

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Speaker 1: think he won't do it, or they'll just get the

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Speaker 1: tax cuts and he won't actually do the crazy stuff.

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Speaker 1: But we know from the four years of Trump that

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Speaker 1: he actually will do the crazy stuff.

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Speaker 6: Here's the thing, there's a mental construct among a lot

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Speaker 6: of softer Republican voters that they can do what I

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Speaker 6: call the buffet approach to Trump. Oh, I can take

551
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Speaker 6: just the things I want out of the buffet, and

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Speaker 6: I'll skip the mass deportations, the racism, the craziness, the bullshit,

553
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Speaker 6: and I don't have to accept or take responsibility of

554
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Speaker 6: any of those things. But the rest of it. I

555
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 6: want my tax cuts, I want my regulation cuts, those things.

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Speaker 6: I love those things. Yes, I'll do those things and

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Speaker 6: not have the people, you know, trying to overthrow the

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Speaker 6: election in the Capitol of those things and not Steven

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Speaker 6: Miller and Seb Gorka and Rich Grennell running immigration in

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Speaker 6: this country. It's a fallacy that they really believe they

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Speaker 6: can just say I want I only want one part

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Speaker 6: of this pie. I only want a little slice of

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Speaker 6: this pie, because you're eating the whole pie or you

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Speaker 6: ain't having pie.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about the billionaires who

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Speaker 1: have decided that Trump is their guy. So there are

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Speaker 1: a couple of different groups that have decided that Trump

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Speaker 1: is their guy, and they.

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Speaker 4: Mostly are people who either like love crypto. Talk to

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Speaker 4: me about what the crypto situation is here.

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Speaker 6: Well, a lot of the crypto bros are all in

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Speaker 6: ha ha ha.

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Speaker 3: I'm making a joke.

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Speaker 4: That's a joke about their dumb podcast.

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Speaker 3: About their stupid podcast. Yes, I made a funny.

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Speaker 1: Can we have two seconds on how bad David Sachs was?

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Speaker 6: I was just about to bring him up.

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Speaker 1: Actually, So he has rebranded as a here's a This

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Speaker 1: is one of the many reasons why I love billionaires.

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Speaker 4: He's so rich, but he really just wants to be famous, so.

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Speaker 1: He just wants to be Dana bash, right, And so

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Speaker 1: he's rebranded with this podcast where he and other fascists

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Speaker 1: talk about how great they are.

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Speaker 4: So he gets to speak.

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Speaker 1: He's probably given millions of dollars at the Republican National Convention,

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Speaker 1: and he is just so bad.

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Speaker 6: He's so bad that he had in his speech. As

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Speaker 6: I was listening to it, because again, remember speech writer writer, Yes,

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Speaker 6: I do this a lot, he had eleven separate places

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Speaker 6: in the speech that I counted. There might have been

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Speaker 6: a couple more where he expected applause, and to say

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Speaker 6: the applause was tepid is like saying that five day

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Speaker 6: old bathwater is tepid clean. Yeah, this was a historically

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Speaker 6: poorly received speech. Why because even among the faithful at

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Speaker 6: the RNC convention.

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Speaker 4: Right, these are your people.

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Speaker 3: I know these people.

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Speaker 4: They're wearing cheese hats, as.

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Speaker 6: One does, but they still don't believe that Vladimir Putin

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Speaker 6: is the good guy. Okay, And even during Jade Vance's speech,

601
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Speaker 6: the awkwardness when he touches on that subject was palpable.

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Speaker 6: People are like, yeah, yeah, can you not mention that

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Speaker 6: because you no, Yeah, that was not good.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he had an applause line that

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Speaker 1: was basically Putin wouldn't have I don't know, was something

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Speaker 1: to the effect of, like we should love Putin have Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: which the signs say, right, they're holding up signs that

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Speaker 1: say stop giving Ukraine money, right right in the.

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Speaker 6: War in Ukraine, and the only end of that war

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Speaker 6: is with Daddy Vladdie killing everyone in tanks in the

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Speaker 6: streets of Kiev.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So that was, you know, before he rolls into Poland.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's where this goes. But yeah, I thought

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Speaker 1: that was.

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Speaker 6: To give back to your question here about the billionaires. Yes,

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Speaker 6: the crypto bros are a sub set, and a lot

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Speaker 6: of them have a lot of money from this, from

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Speaker 6: this ludicrous Ponzi scheme of theirs, and a lot of

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Speaker 6: them have a desire to do what other industries in

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Speaker 6: America have traditionally done, which is to engage in regulatory capture, right,

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Speaker 6: And they would just like to They'd like to get

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Speaker 6: the money. They'd like to get their scam protected by

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Speaker 6: the federal government. If that's your baby and you're going

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Speaker 6: to go spend the money on it, I mean, I

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Speaker 6: get it.

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Speaker 3: But it's also really gross.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty transparent too.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 6: And they bought they bought the vice president. Okay, they

631
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Speaker 6: bought the VP. They bought the VP. They said, how

632
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Speaker 6: much does it cost us to get JD on the thing?

633
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 6: Because JD is part of this like weird, weird, weird

634
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Speaker 6: weird ass Silicon Valley cult around this guy named Curtis Yarvin,

635
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Speaker 6: who is the intellectual dark web, deep in dark enlightenment.

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Speaker 6: He's a guy who believes in monarchy, monarchy, molly monarchy.

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Speaker 4: No, I listen, I love it. Yeah, who among us?

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Speaker 2: Who among us hasn't blogged under the name meniscus moldbug

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Speaker 2: mniscous moldbug.

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Speaker 6: And I actually actually one time, a couple of years ago,

641
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Speaker 6: went on a deep dive. I spent about a week

642
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Speaker 6: in a rabbit hole. And that guy's writing is the

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Speaker 6: most discursive hot garbage. I mean, I mean, somebody gets

644
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 6: at me. I'm a fucking editor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that was last night too. Everybody went on

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Speaker 1: and on and on. I mean Eric's speech.

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Speaker 6: Eric speech is a pregame for Eric's campaign.

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Speaker 1: No, really, what's he running for daddy's fancy lad?

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Speaker 6: What's he running for daddy's large adult son.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my dad and I, both of whom had

651
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Speaker 1: famous parents, were both like we were watching it together

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Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, he just makes me sad,

653
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Speaker 1: and my dad was like me too, it's so relatable

654
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Speaker 1: to be the kid that dad doesn't like.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, and I tweeted it last night. He will never love.

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Speaker 1: You, Eric, He really won't. I mean, I just he

657
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Speaker 1: will never cry. I feel I actually always feel really

658
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Speaker 1: sad for him. I know, obviously that's not the appropriate

659
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Speaker 1: response to have, but I do always because he looks

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Speaker 1: like he's gonna cry.

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Speaker 3: He always looks like he's gonna weep, right there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I have no real sense of pity, mercy or

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Speaker 6: kindness about them. But you have to say, this is

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Speaker 6: a guy who was obviously raised in a very abusive,

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Speaker 6: very abusive.

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Speaker 4: Very weird knows, but certainly very weird.

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Speaker 6: Well mentally abusive at the least. Let's not pretend that

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Speaker 6: this was a normal childhood.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, who knows. But there's less than ideal

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Speaker 1: I think is fair.

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Speaker 3: It would not surprise.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but if you look at this whole thing, you

673
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Speaker 6: learned one key thing. No matter how much they spend

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Speaker 6: the media, there's no better version of them. There's no

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Speaker 6: better version of him, There's no better version of them,

676
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Speaker 6: There's no better version of the policy stuff. I mean,

677
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Speaker 6: even had Mike Johnson last night saying why Yes, our

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Speaker 6: project twenty twenty five was written by many of my

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Speaker 6: good friends, and I will agree with many of the

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Speaker 6: things they wrote there subtle.

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Speaker 4: You can't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the problem with this is, you know, they

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Speaker 1: published what they want to do.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the good news for them is that almost

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Speaker 4: no one is.

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Speaker 6: Covering Yeah, I mean, they really have had a very

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Speaker 6: fortunate kind of run on it. But once people do

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Speaker 6: cover it, as both the Trump campaign found out and

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Speaker 6: we found out, WHOA, you start asking people about this.

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Speaker 3: And they hate it. Oh they don't, just don't. They

691
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Speaker 3: just dislike it. They hate it. It's bad. Yeah, it's bad.

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Speaker 6: So but look like I said, you saw who they are,

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Speaker 6: and you saw that none of them change.

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Speaker 3: They can't.

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Speaker 6: They're mentally, cognitively, philosophically and capable of being anything except

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Speaker 6: exactly what they are.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Rick Wilson, my.

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Speaker 3: Pleasure as always.

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Speaker 2: Dave Wigel is a reporter at smerfore.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Fast Politics. Dave.

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Speaker 7: It's good to be here. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you because again, and I've

703
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Speaker 1: said this before, I was like, we have to have

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Speaker 1: them back because I just need to know what the

705
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Speaker 1: fuck is going on in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And again I

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Speaker 1: wasn't there. You were there, so tell me if I'm right.

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Speaker 1: It feels like it started out as a different convention

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Speaker 1: and then sort of pivoted back to what Trump conventions are.

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Speaker 7: Like, Yeah, I think it'd be fair to saying that

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Speaker 7: Trump was the low light and the convention not his

711
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Speaker 7: first twenty minutes. And this is where trait gets you

712
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Speaker 7: in trouble because I think people who were writing off

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Speaker 7: the beginning of his speech said that this was a

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Speaker 7: different tone. Who was describing in detail what it was

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Speaker 7: like in butler pencil, They did it. That was all true.

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Speaker 7: And then he for really for the first time, because

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Speaker 7: you look at how tight his speeches were in sixteen twenty,

718
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Speaker 7: he turned into more of a rally speech, and obviously

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Speaker 7: there's this gigantic binding cloud over everything. Without that, this

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Speaker 7: is the sort of thing Democrats wanted. They wanted some

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Speaker 7: evidence that the Trump peoplehood it for in the past

722
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Speaker 7: is not still running. This is somebody with a lot

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Speaker 7: more resentments who's less on message. The rest of the convention, though,

724
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Speaker 7: was I think, having gone over in two thousand and eight,

725
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Speaker 7: the tightest they've ever had. Nothing that was off script.

726
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Speaker 7: And the first one I covered in two I was

727
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Speaker 7: a day. There was a day that was sort of

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Speaker 7: half canceled by Hurricane twenty twelve. There's day this again

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Speaker 7: by the hurricane sixteen. There were some chaos twenty with

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Speaker 7: COVID that they got the package they want, said in

731
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Speaker 7: the speakers they wanted, and even because of Butler, they

732
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Speaker 7: got NIGGI Ailey delivering kurse Stump speech and enhorsing Trump.

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Speaker 7: They had a great message out unified in a party

734
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Speaker 7: that has purged maybe five percent of people because they're

735
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Speaker 7: Trump positions, but very effective in saying this party is

736
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Speaker 7: unchaotic and ready to govern, and everything was better when

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Speaker 7: Trump was president. So just put it back in back ower.

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Speaker 4: Right, And then the problem was you had.

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Speaker 7: Trump, Yes, that's why I would put it. Yeah, if you.

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Speaker 1: Hadn't had Trump, or you even had had just sort

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Speaker 1: of jade Evans. I mean what I saw was, and

742
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Speaker 1: I watched all the speeches or listen to them, at

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Speaker 1: least the first two days, they really did try to

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Speaker 1: tamp down on the rhetoric. I mean you still had

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Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green the first day saying that, you know,

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Speaker 1: illegals were poisoned. I don't know if she said poisoning

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Speaker 1: the blood, but there was certainly talk of illegals, which

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Speaker 1: is not very unifying.

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Speaker 4: But they did.

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Speaker 1: Try to stay away from some of the insindiatory language,

751
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Speaker 1: which is the brand now.

752
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Speaker 3: Some of it.

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Speaker 7: So there were a lot of photos I should sell,

754
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Speaker 7: but I saw professionals look better, people saying mass deportation

755
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Speaker 7: on their signs, and that's something that Romcos wouldn't have

756
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Speaker 7: said twelve years ago. The premise is that that is

757
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Speaker 7: now popular. The idea of saying to white voters and

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Speaker 7: working glass, black and Hispanic voters that we're going to

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Speaker 7: do a massive deportation of a certain come over the

760
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Speaker 7: border in the last three years, that polls very well.

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Speaker 7: Is that unifying to the whole country. No, but it's

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Speaker 7: unifying to sixty percent of the country and that's good enough.

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Speaker 7: A lot of mentions of gender, not in great detail,

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Speaker 7: really just things like keith men out of women's sports.

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Speaker 4: They seem to back down on that a little bit.

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Speaker 7: I thought, well, yeah, there are conservatives who when they

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Speaker 7: talk about that, get into more detail. But that's also

768
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Speaker 7: that's not that an issue that makes everybody happy. No,

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Speaker 7: is an issue that's popular for them. It is. So

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Speaker 7: they were more conservative in ways that are more popular

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Speaker 7: than they were when Trump was running in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 7: and they dropped some stuff. But I really thought was

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Speaker 7: significing that if you look at jd Vance's speech and

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Speaker 7: the way he talked about America's economic problems, what's holding

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Speaker 7: people back that has been done before for that? If

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Speaker 7: you look at that Ooran did that in twenty twelve,

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Speaker 7: or I gave the speech about the national debt and

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Speaker 7: overregulation and Obamacare, things like that, whereas the advance argument

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Speaker 7: was more about protections and the manufacturing and stopping jobs

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Speaker 7: from going overseas, stopping drug addiction. It was just different.

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Speaker 7: The way they talked was different. And populism is just

782
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Speaker 7: such a flexible word, so everyone claims to be a

783
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Speaker 7: populist unless they're unless they want to lose, but more

784
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Speaker 7: populists in that they really did discard a lot of

785
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Speaker 7: the fiscally conservative ideas that just aren't very popular. But

786
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Speaker 7: Republicans realize, when we get in power we talk about

787
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Speaker 7: cutting SEB security or work tax cuts, we just don't win.

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Speaker 7: So I could do it. Fewer mentions of tax cuts,

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Speaker 7: a few mentions of Biden raising taxes if he's reelected,

790
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Speaker 7: but very little about tax cuts, less than I've ever

791
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Speaker 7: heard of convention. Just the economic issue were different.

792
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Speaker 1: Right, But there was no talk about any of the stuff.

793
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Speaker 1: That is someone who's just done a large YouTube series

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Speaker 1: on Project twenty twenty five, like, there's no talk about

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Speaker 1: any of the stuff that they're planning. I mean, maybe

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Speaker 1: they've stopped planning all that stuff. But like if Project

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five is allowed to get implemented, which that

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Speaker 1: is certainly the plan the Heritage Foundation, which is written

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Speaker 1: by the same guy who wrote the RNC platform, Right,

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Speaker 1: So that makes me think that there's some right Russ void.

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Speaker 1: So there's clearly a lot Vought a lot. There's clearly

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Speaker 1: a lot of synchronicity between the Republican Party today, the

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Speaker 1: people who work in the Trump admin and Project twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five.

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Speaker 4: But none of that was mentioned.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and the Trump campaign not at the convention with

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Speaker 7: Chrystal Zivida talking to Jonathan Martin at Politico's event, sitting

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Speaker 7: there paying for the campaign to really shorten that story.

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Speaker 7: When the Trump campaign was very small and reported writing

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Speaker 7: about what would Trump's seond term agend to be, they

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Speaker 7: would point people to Heritage, to Steven Miller, people like that.

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Speaker 7: Once they staffed up and they realized those stories are unpopular,

813
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Speaker 7: they said, that's not us anymore. But after preface everything

814
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Speaker 7: by how little Democrats to get their best and get now,

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Speaker 7: they were pretty happy with the Van's choice because Vance

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Speaker 7: is a big ally of a lot of people who wrote,

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Speaker 7: first of all, a lot of people in the Project

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Speaker 7: Pitt twenty five papers works for Trump administration. Second, a

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Speaker 7: lot of friends with Vance Vance. Advance wrote the four

820
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Speaker 7: to the upcoming policy book by Herring Try Nation's President

821
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Speaker 7: Kevin Roberts. So they can keep connecting them if they

822
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Speaker 7: ever get back to a normal campaign. They're argument saying

823
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Speaker 7: what these guys are running on is not the real agenda.

824
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Speaker 7: They can still do that. They kind of did that.

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Speaker 7: They did that at the convention Democrats off site, out

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Speaker 7: of the perimeter when they argue they said, he is

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Speaker 7: this party is going to highlight the ideas that sound

828
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Speaker 7: good because it's hiding its real agenda. So that they

829
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Speaker 7: got to do that. But there have been conventions where

830
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Speaker 7: they it's harder for Republicans to conceal the least popular

831
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Speaker 7: ideas from the floor.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think ultimately Republicans are in a very

833
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Speaker 1: good spot right now. It's really hard to deny that

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Speaker 1: they have had a really good streak and that, you know,

835
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Speaker 1: they are sort of controlling the narrative right now because

836
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Speaker 1: people are you know, there's this huge news cycle about

837
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Speaker 1: Biden dropping out, and so there's no news cycle about

838
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Speaker 1: how very sleepy Donald Trump sounds.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, That's that's one thing I heard from I'd say

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Speaker 7: Democrats were the Republicans today, really, but you could tell

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Speaker 7: in the room I had to walk out where the

842
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Speaker 7: trust seed was over, but you tell me were checking

843
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Speaker 7: their phones and they were excited to see Trump and

844
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Speaker 7: they started to walk out. I remember, Alibi, I don't care.

845
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Speaker 7: I went to CNN's offsite, Grill, and I walked in

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Speaker 7: behind Byron Donald's who was in the Trump box for

847
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Speaker 7: a while, and the speech was not over, and the

848
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Speaker 7: people did not feel the need to sit for all

849
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Speaker 7: ninety minutes of the Trump's speech. Is he going to

850
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Speaker 7: lose votes because his speech was longed? I don't necessarily

851
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Speaker 7: think so. That did him the least favors I think

852
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Speaker 7: in anything at the event, because coming into it on Monday,

853
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Speaker 7: Republicans were I don't want to be glib about it,

854
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Speaker 7: and they were happy because it survived something horrible. But

855
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Speaker 7: they were happy because even before that he was leading

856
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Speaker 7: in the polls. They were in a better position they'd

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Speaker 7: been since the year two thousand. There were Republicans who

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Speaker 7: were in politics who were not alive the last time

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Speaker 7: they were this stronggoing the election. Ged Evance wasn't voting

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Speaker 7: in two thousand and it wasn't all that to vote yet,

861
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Speaker 7: so they felt incredible. And then the way they talked

862
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Speaker 7: about I we all wrote about this a little bit.

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Speaker 7: I kind of focused on this on Tuesday. The way

864
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Speaker 7: they were talking about Trump was that not just was

865
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Speaker 7: he a lucky politician, but he was he had the

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Speaker 7: hand of God on him, and that God, Gods had

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Speaker 7: a do from tragedy. It wasn't just optimism. It was

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Speaker 7: a sense that the campaign is ordained. Almost their marching

869
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Speaker 7: on Jerusalem with the blessing, the blessing of the Pope.

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Speaker 7: It was very different than we're even four years ago,

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Speaker 7: where they said, Okay, we're kind of in a mess

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Speaker 7: and maybe we can exploit some of the weaknesses and Democrats,

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Speaker 7: but we're behind different mood right yeah, No.

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Speaker 1: I mean they have every reason. They are certainly winning

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Speaker 1: right now. It was a long speech and I wondered

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Speaker 1: about JD. Vance, How did that speech go over?

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Speaker 7: That went over very well. So Advance is not a

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Speaker 7: Pence style table pounding political speaker. It's a way of

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Speaker 7: political speed he does not do. He's a much more

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Speaker 7: conversational People still watch Ted talks he's more of a

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Speaker 7: ted talk speaker, and you're doing this for years. He

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Speaker 7: started doing this. I'm counting they went seven seven years ago,

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Speaker 7: eight years ago for rehabiliology. He is I'm comfortable calling

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Speaker 7: him an intellectual the way he talks about politics and

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Speaker 7: is much more based on his deep reading of things

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Speaker 7: mentioned Saint Augustine, I'll mentioned conservative fakers. He did that

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Speaker 7: and presented himself as a fairly ordinary guy who got

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Speaker 7: lucky in in America and wants other people to do

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Speaker 7: that and then't bastually invites me. When he attacked Biden,

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Speaker 7: it was for or for Biden's voting record as a

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Speaker 7: senator supporting Knapp in the Iraq war. That is one

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Speaker 7: thing that one think aprilization. It's complicated, but as weak

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Speaker 7: as Biden means. They did not spend a lot of

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Speaker 7: time attacking him. They did not feel that they needed

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Speaker 7: to as they did when Barack Obama was the nominee.

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Speaker 7: They needed they need to spend a lot of time

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Speaker 7: damaging image because they felt like they they're right right now.

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Speaker 7: Image is so negative. They need to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so explain to us what you were sort of

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Speaker 1: surprised by. Besides the fact that so many people got

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Speaker 1: rolled by the new tone narrative.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm almost why they didn't have the same top

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Speaker 7: sources of people think they're wrong.

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Speaker 1: There's got to be a human nature thing where people

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Speaker 1: just feel like they want him to be normal and

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Speaker 1: hope that he will be normal. And that's why they

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Speaker 1: keep Lucy in the foot and the football with them, right.

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Speaker 7: Yes, And there's a little bit of reality based recording

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Speaker 7: on those works. He did interviews with fairly friendly people

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Speaker 7: outlets Sleeve a Zito and people like that after the

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Speaker 7: shooting and was speaking much more conciliatory. And he doesn't

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Speaker 7: talk that much about religion and ways that sound credible

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Speaker 7: to people, and he did after this when he was

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Speaker 7: talking about the shooting of anything else.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't.

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Speaker 7: But I do think this led a little bit into

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Speaker 7: the convention because one but yeah, bid was popular too.

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Speaker 7: They didn't want to make it look like a typical slashing,

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Speaker 7: burning convention. Three, there was a sense, especially the last day,

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Speaker 7: that they might have to run against Kamala Ritz and

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Speaker 7: how do they do that. She's also on poppular look

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Speaker 7: kind of case to make against her, and they just

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Speaker 7: didn't make much of one. I was talking to double

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Speaker 7: Conservatives on the floor on Wednesday, and they were telling

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Speaker 7: me we need to make sure Trump does some attacks

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Speaker 7: on Kamala Harris because he might need to make the

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Speaker 7: case against So anything is didn't do that does come

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Speaker 7: from confidence, which can backfire. There can be people who

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Speaker 7: they think they don't need to do it. And what's happened. Frankly,

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Speaker 7: twenty eight Democrats missed a lot of shots at their

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Speaker 7: convention and focused too much on celebrity guests who are

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Speaker 7: good at hoasting, and too little on issues. You can

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Speaker 7: win the election. Yet we have a convention that doesn't

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Speaker 7: hit everything. But I'll do too much stage manage. It's

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Speaker 7: gotta shoot back. But the toe mad onceed from those

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Speaker 7: Sunday interviews. They didn't get it. It was it was

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Speaker 7: more as sorry and English, and except for a couple

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Speaker 7: of red meetings like kid Rocket all oapin coming out

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Speaker 7: and just being meancy alphas, I'm fristing breathing drunk, that

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Speaker 7: was not on the same script. But I think it worked.

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Speaker 7: It definitely worked in the ring.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean it did work in the room.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting explain to me about sort of like we

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Speaker 1: had Ted Cruz, we had Marco. We had some senate people.

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Speaker 1: We had one you're watching in the box. I saw

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Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green and a Paulina Luna. I didn't see

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Speaker 1: a ton of like traditional Republicans, people who are not trumpy.

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Speaker 1: Were there's people there still.

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Speaker 4: They didn't get to speak at the convention.

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Speaker 7: Huh they did this not he It's primetime who got

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Speaker 7: the prime time splots? That was interesting. Lard Trump is

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Speaker 7: not anybody out Their speech is that well received. He

953
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Speaker 7: is the vice chair of the RNC because we see

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Speaker 7: the best person to put in prime time. Maybe not

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Speaker 7: was Martin would be a better person in primetime because

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Speaker 7: he got some face. Yes, every maga Republican who wanted

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Speaker 7: to speak not to speak. I mean one of the

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Speaker 7: only switches is that Ronnie Jackson who has opined vote

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Speaker 7: that Joe Biden's and dementia or is on drugs. And

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Speaker 7: Tamala Ayris is a low iq I think because of Biden.

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Speaker 7: But we diagnosis. He was a little more mellow with

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Speaker 7: his speech. But everyone that you're used to seeing on

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Speaker 7: newsmat box not time. They just weren't necessarily when every

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Speaker 7: network was fill moving, it's only a couple hours.

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Speaker 1: Lay do you think that there's any part of this

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Speaker 1: Republican Party that isn't Trump now.

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Speaker 7: Not fully separate. It's either people who base their identity

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Speaker 7: around him and what he says, and people who agree

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Speaker 7: with him and appreciate. And he is a popular figure.

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Speaker 7: He gets elected one party and gat the right, and

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Speaker 7: so that Bob Good, for example, who's the only republic

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Speaker 7: denotal seat in a primary. He's a pure Trump guy,

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Speaker 7: but he'd retruned the tankers. He thought the banks were

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Speaker 7: more electable, munt conservative in some ways, and he is

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Speaker 7: the Sampluses want more direct about a couple of things

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Speaker 7: like Trump reversed. I've talked about done Moore in Florida

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Speaker 7: and four conserving being trumping, willing to do Trump one

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Speaker 7: after him, people abortion and things like that. And so

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Speaker 7: he was sweep out of a pardon. But that's the

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Speaker 7: It's not a Gulf like sixteen where there are God winner.

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Speaker 7: He used to go, I noticed that Christian Union being

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Speaker 7: to show up people being so peremonial interviews. And he's retiring.

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Speaker 7: He's going to be replaced as the nominee here by

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Speaker 7: Anny Trumping Poles who are daddy very pro prounat Gananta.

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Speaker 7: So it's really like you have to look at it,

986
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Speaker 7: like how many anti Reaguan Republicans the party in ap

987
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Speaker 7: and eighty eight not really anywhere here, some moderacy, but

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Speaker 7: they all supported Reagan and some capacity, and that's some

989
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Speaker 7: of what they voped. The shooting we knew was convinced

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Speaker 7: people outside the convention we're not Republicans since they were

991
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Speaker 7: wrong about Trump, but also a normalized and say, look,

992
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Speaker 7: stop thinking this guy in crazy admiration just the leader

993
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Speaker 7: of our party and liked things republican study at to

994
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Speaker 7: support it. You can't just run for Larry Ogan, little bump.

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Speaker 7: I don't think they've got that far. Again mentioned Pensulia

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Speaker 7: marks they want, but all I think it's going to

997
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Speaker 7: be that bad flu.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so interesting, but I mean even Spencer Cox, right,

999
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Speaker 1: you know he did actually say that he wasn't going

1000
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Speaker 1: to vote for Trump and now he's endorsing him.

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Speaker 7: Yes, that happened. I think the most significant endorsements for

1002
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Speaker 7: people a E. One Moss after who were clearly pro

1003
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Speaker 7: Drumps but didn't want to say so. I find that

1004
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Speaker 7: old dance Bettsini, because these are people who really want

1005
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Speaker 7: Frem's politics went out idea an integration, censorship, et cetera.

1006
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Speaker 7: But they felt a little bit offward supporting him. What

1007
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Speaker 7: they tried to say or actively shooting was that this

1008
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Speaker 7: normalized though, this made it and so you didn't have

1009
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Speaker 7: to apologize for suppliting Prout anymore.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, but it's still super embarrassing. One last question.

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Speaker 1: I saw that the ratings were down twenty percent for

1012
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Speaker 1: this convention.

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Speaker 4: Did it seem like a.

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Speaker 1: Smaller crowd or did it seem like the same kind

1015
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Speaker 1: of that what you're used to.

1016
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Speaker 7: It's hard to compare to. It's out pretty normal. I

1017
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Speaker 7: think there were more of pub hopens in twenty sixteen

1018
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Speaker 7: because there was a tank perfection. Every people wanted to

1019
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Speaker 7: wanting to change the nominee at the convention, but not

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Speaker 7: much Ill.

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Speaker 4: Right, but you think that it's just found the same

1022
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Speaker 4: as usual.

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Speaker 7: There might be low ratings PK people have been heard

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Speaker 7: in JD Vansley so both the presidential end by threadline

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Speaker 7: plot near Bradley page Submready.

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Speaker 4: It all feels like the same material, right.

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Speaker 7: Same again if you listen concerned to meeting enough Pride,

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Speaker 7: I mean Chucky cross seams and was in prime top

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Speaker 7: Dave thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I hope you'll come back.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 3: No moment, Oh fuck on.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, Yes, ma'am, we're here to discuss the moment

1034
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Speaker 1: of fuckery.

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Speaker 6: The Moment of Fuckery a feature of the Wilson jong

1036
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Speaker 6: Fast Enterprise, and each week we feature a moment of fuckery.

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Speaker 6: Last night, I think my moment of fuckery came from

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Speaker 6: the fact that it took my researchers approximately fifteen seconds

1039
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Speaker 6: to find the clip of that guy, Dana White slapping

1040
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Speaker 6: the shit out of a woman in the course of

1041
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Speaker 6: some sort of bar fight. And this is a man

1042
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Speaker 6: introducing the rapist as the nominee.

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Speaker 4: Can you just explain to me who he is.

1044
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Speaker 6: He's apparently the president of the UFC, which is a

1045
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 6: some sort of thing where where men were grown, men

1046
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Speaker 6: don tight outfits and kick each other.

1047
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Speaker 4: Do you want my moment of fuckery?

1048
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 3: I always want your moment of fuckery, Molly.

1049
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Speaker 6: That sounded dirtier than I intended to tell you.

1050
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Speaker 7: I really did.

1051
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Speaker 6: I was like, all right, Molly, I always want your

1052
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Speaker 6: moment of fuckery.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I was struck by was

1054
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Speaker 1: this was a convention where almost no one believed what they.

1055
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Speaker 4: Were saying from Donald's no one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean there probably was someone who actually

1057
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Speaker 1: like believed what they were saying. But maybe but like

1058
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Speaker 1: from Donald Trump who was a Democrat and doesn't believe

1059
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Speaker 1: anything of any of this. Right, Oh god, No to

1060
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: jd Vance who called Trump Hitler, right, but only as

1061
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: a compliment.

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Speaker 6: Right, it was also a Democrat, right to you know,

1063
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Speaker 6: the Hulk who.

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Speaker 1: Was doing it because Peter Tiel had paid for his

1065
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Speaker 1: legal I mean, we don't know that that was why

1066
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: he was doing it, but remember he does owe Peter

1067
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Speaker 1: til for paying his legal bills against Cocker. And we

1068
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: had seen that the Hulk had said negative things about

1069
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Speaker 1: Trump as recently as twenty twenty or something like that.

1070
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Speaker 1: So there really were a great number of speakers on

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Speaker 1: that stage who did not believe at all anything they

1072
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Speaker 1: were saying, And that, for me is really impressive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Look, if you don't let yourself or make yourself live

1075
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 6: in the deception, you can't exist in that world.

1076
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Speaker 5: Right.

1077
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Speaker 6: You must agree to have the consensual hallucination about all

1078
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 6: this garbage or you can't survive in it. There's no

1079
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Speaker 6: possible world where you wake up in the morning and go,

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Speaker 6: I have an intellectually consistent view of the universe. And

1081
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Speaker 6: here's how, and yet I also believe the following things.

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Speaker 6: By the way, I have to have one other moment

1083
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Speaker 6: of microfuckery. Why he's still wearing the ear tampon after

1084
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Speaker 6: five days?

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Speaker 4: All right, I have to jet you guys are the best.

1086
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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: See Uh that's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

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Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday to hear the

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Speaker 1: best minds in politics makes sense of all this chaos.

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Speaker 1: If you enjoyed what you've heard, please send it to

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Speaker 1: a friend and keep the conversation going. And again, thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening.