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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. So how did you how did you get

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Speaker 1: really made an impact on me because it was bigfoot,

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Speaker 1: and I followed the story for for a few weeks

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Speaker 1: for Bigfoot. I got captured when I stumbled across the

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Speaker 1: Abominable Snowman stories from the Himalayas, and you know, it

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Speaker 1: was a white looking furry creature. And then I saw

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Speaker 1: the dark haired Bigfoot years later and I've said, oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, that's the same looking creature, except you know,

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Speaker 1: the hair colors different. And but I was hooked on

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Speaker 1: all these things. And how did you go about researching

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Speaker 1: Chasing American Monsters, which, by the way, is a very

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Speaker 1: complete book. You did a great job with this. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you. I really appreciate that, George. I, well, a

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Speaker 1: number of these uh just just research. I wanted. I

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Speaker 1: wanted the uh the stories to either have been catalog

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Speaker 1: newspapers or other media outlets, or I interviewed people who

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Speaker 1: I I wanted because there are a lot of books,

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Speaker 1: and I've written a couple of them that are regional,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I wrote Haunted Missouri was my first book,

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Speaker 1: and and those are those are great. But I wanted

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Speaker 1: something that everybody could pick up and say, hey, wait

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Speaker 1: chapters are every state, various states, dealing with creatures in

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Speaker 1: every state. Yeah. Right, And and I've heard from a

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Speaker 1: They're like, you know, I grew up in Indiana and

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Speaker 1: I hadn't heard of this one. Thank you for putting

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Speaker 1: that in the book. That was fascinating because I'm going

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Speaker 1: to do research on it. Now, what do you find

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Speaker 1: that the most prevalent creature is around the Americas? Is

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Speaker 1: it Bigfoot? Hands down? Bigfoot? Bigfoot has been seen in

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Speaker 1: been a Bigfoot encounter. And Bigfoot is it's It's a

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Speaker 1: That's a big one for me because, um, it's not

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Speaker 1: just been seen in all across North America. It's been

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Speaker 1: seen on every continent. Um it's i mean even even

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Speaker 1: Australia for stakes with with with the Yawi. So if

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Speaker 1: any of these monsters in the book are real, I

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Speaker 1: I think we can definitely conclude that people are seeing

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Speaker 1: I Mean, I'm sure we get a couple little hucksters

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Speaker 1: and a lot of those are insects, about half are insects.

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Speaker 1: and they're not small all the time either. Just last year,

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Speaker 1: a new species of orangutan was discovered. Those are big,

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Speaker 1: Those are big animals. So we keep finding new animals.

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Speaker 1: One of these days, just got my fingers crossed, big

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Speaker 1: footer or maybe the Thighlas scene over in Australia, you

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Speaker 1: don't shoot the creature. I'd you know, if they're going

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Speaker 1: to capture it for science and show people, you know,

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Speaker 1: okay that happens, but not kill it. Yeah, that's the

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Speaker 1: big that's the big twist. I want these things to

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Speaker 1: be proven that they exist, but I don't want a

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Speaker 1: what it takes. Well, you know what, when you have

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Speaker 1: to weigh a captured dead Bigfoot because it was shot

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Speaker 1: And I'm kind of torn with my you know, my

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Speaker 1: live for God's sake. It was Some people think Bigfoot

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Speaker 1: is from a UFO or it's dimensional Do you get

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Speaker 1: that a lot? Yeah? I do. And what I like

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Speaker 1: to do, at least in my head, is to count

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Speaker 1: out all of the terrestrial explanations before I go jumping

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Speaker 1: toward uh something else that hasn't been proven by science,

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Speaker 1: like yo, yeah, UFOs or interdimensional travel. But there are

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Speaker 1: an odd number of Bigfoot encounters or Bigfoot sightings that

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Speaker 1: and Bigfoot also tends to just disappear, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes leaving its you know, footprints, and all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden they're just gone. Where did he? Where did

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Speaker 1: he go? So uh, I mean dimensional travel and UFOs

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Speaker 1: would explain some of this odd behavior. Listen to more

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