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Speaker 1: Well, it's official. We lived here now, the Classic Factory.

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Speaker 1: It's our home. I'm gonna miss my wife and dog,

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Speaker 1: but I'm looking forward to going old with you guys.

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Speaker 1: Here we got a first in nodng slash Starters slash

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Speaker 1: Basketball Jones History, our second emergency podcast of the day.

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Speaker 1: Soon after talking about the CJ. McCollum to the Pelicans deal,

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Speaker 1: which we did its own separate podcast for I got

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Speaker 1: in my car likely Ellis as you can tell, and

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Speaker 1: took off and then I see my phone. I'm five

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Speaker 1: minutes from home. Task Melice calling Test never calls what

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Speaker 1: and uh oh, I better take this, and Tess says,

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Speaker 1: you gotta get your ass back here. We got ourselves

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Speaker 1: another trade. Oh oh, my goodness. Almost almost stepped on

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Speaker 1: the poor southern lawyer. Did man, did you find a hat?

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Speaker 1: We got ourselves a trade there. It is southern looking,

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Speaker 1: isn't it like you're on the golf course or something

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Speaker 2: There's a peach on it.

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Speaker 3: Exactly right. This is my Larry luck peepaw hat. We

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Speaker 3: were gonna go smack some balls on the links today.

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Speaker 3: But I told them, hey, there's a good chance some

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Speaker 3: trades are gonna come down might not be able to

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Speaker 3: make it, so we're not man gonna make it. But

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Speaker 3: I got the Pepa hat, all right.

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Speaker 1: Well, we got the Southern lawyer, Tradekurvey, we got task

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Speaker 1: some skeets, we got JD pushing the buttons.

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Speaker 1: He's long gone, you know, as soon as that, as

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Speaker 1: soon as the podcast ends, he's bloom. He's gone, and

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Speaker 1: he lives too far away. But we do have another trade,

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Speaker 1: so let's get right into it. Hey, take a second,

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Speaker 1: guys are really enjoying this, this chaotic sort of podcast

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Speaker 3: Here, what are we gonna do on Thursday?

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Speaker 1: You're gonna do on Thursday?

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Speaker 2: There's nothing wppen. Yeah, we're gonna be sitting here.

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Speaker 1: Living our thumbs. Let's get into the trade. The one

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Speaker 1: you guys all want to hear about. Instant reactions from

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Speaker 1: trade grades. The Indiana Pacers are tradingis Sabonis Justin Holiday,

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Lamb and a future second round pick to the

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Speaker 1: Sacramento Kings in exchange for Tyrese Haliburton, Buddy Healed, and

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Speaker 1: Tristan Thompson. So three for three twenty twenty seven. Sacrament

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Speaker 1: pick thrown in there too, But Sabonis the big piece

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Speaker 1: going to Sacramento, and then Haliburton and Healed going to Indiana.

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Speaker 1: But what's your initial reaction to this? What did you

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Speaker 3: I wasn't here. Me and Task we are standing up.

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Speaker 3: We were chest bumping as hard as we can another

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Speaker 3: trade man, and what we kept screaming at each other

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Speaker 3: into each other's face. The race for the tenth seed

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Speaker 3: in the Western Conference is heating up. The Pelicans brought

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Speaker 3: two time All Star Demonts Sibonas while giving away perhaps

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Speaker 3: I definitely didn't expect that these three would be traded

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Speaker 3: of the Sacramento Kings and see that they haven't made

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Speaker 3: the best King since Boogie Cousins was still in town.

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Speaker 3: A legitimate All Star, an offensive player first and foremost,

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Speaker 4: The Kings are better today for sure than they were yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Was Haliburton, what, I was shocked?

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Speaker 4: Yes, and as is the internet the responses. I first

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Speaker 4: the ones I saw Tyler R. Tyne said there should

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Speaker 4: makes legit zero sense. As Taylor Rooks HB Basketball said,

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Speaker 4: they shouldn't. I think that Tyrese Haliburton has the potential

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Speaker 1: Is so do you think there's like some just reshuffling

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Speaker 3: don't know, at least maybe the Kings will have something

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Speaker 3: I guess if you're going to be building around Sibonis

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Speaker 3: Fox is one of the fastest guys in the league.

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Speaker 3: Sabonis likes to smash his body into you as hard

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Speaker 2: I don't know that.

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Speaker 3: Rashon Holmes and Demanta Sabonis front court is a lot

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Speaker 3: would want Simmons. He's got a little bit more of

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: and it's probably gonna it's gonna be the Spurs. All

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Speaker 3: these trades are gonna happen. Pelicans and the Kings are

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Speaker 4: And if you're yeah, if you are shuffling the Dutch

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Speaker 2: He's having a poor year.

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Speaker 4: And to me, with everything going on in that locker

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Speaker 4: Tyrese Haliburn has the easily the potential to be an

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Speaker 4: As you said, for this King's team, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: for this next you know, thirty five game run here,

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Speaker 4: love it there? Like it just seems like everybody hates it.

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Speaker 2: Everybody just spy because they don't win.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can definitely build an offense around him, So

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Speaker 1: Halliburton, I mean again, you're very very high on him,

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Speaker 1: It's a big difference there. Okay for the Pacers, Now,

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Speaker 1: you gotta get rid of one of them, so they

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Speaker 3: We shall see. Woes is reporting that Miles Turner is

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Speaker 3: And if you bring it in the new Malcolm Brogden,

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Speaker 3: So we shall see what the Pacers do. I don't

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Speaker 3: think bringing in Halliburton means that they have to have

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Speaker 3: because you know, Turner's been a guy that's been in

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Speaker 3: Miles Tournondale. I don't see that happening, but I don't

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Speaker 3: know I could. I could see Malcolm Brogden being on

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Speaker 1: And then sort of similar question with the Kings. What

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Speaker 4: Even well, I'll say Miles Sterner's probably pumped that demodicess

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Speaker 4: but because he's going to get all the touches in

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Speaker 4: the world as they're big.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: He's coming into this trade season here, he said he

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Speaker 4: This is just this is like a recharge for him

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Speaker 4: and coming into this little trade season. The Pacers front

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Speaker 4: office said, we want picks and we want young guys. Now,

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Speaker 4: no picks in this deal, no first round picks coming

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Speaker 4: their way. Just Tyrese Haliburton. Really, when it comes down

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Speaker 4: to it, buddy healed he ain't young. He's getting older

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Speaker 4: Tyre's Aliburn. Does this match the the Vootch trade package

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Speaker 4: gotta be high on Haliburton if you like this for

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Speaker 4: and I think he'll.

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Speaker 1: So you like the roster. Their building here, I mean

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Speaker 1: they're obviously retooling, rebuilding, whatever you want to call it,

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Speaker 2: Of course, remind me because it's easy to forget all.

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Speaker 1: Holiday and Jerremy lam I didn't really sort of bring

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Speaker 1: I mean, Sacramento needs all of those that they can't get.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, back to the Pacers, Brogden, obviously, Haliburt, You've

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Speaker 1: turner is still there. You know who am I forgetting yeah.

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Speaker 2: J McConnell, right right, TJ. Another TJ who's injured all year,

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Speaker 1: And then of course their fingers crossed that they hit

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Speaker 1: and get somewhat of note to throw in there, right right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So they got a pick in the twenties and

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Speaker 4: be very bad in the Eastern Conference and fall down.

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Speaker 1: There and having their own pick?

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes for that for that exact reason, get bad.

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Speaker 4: Hope you knock out a great pick because they're in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it'd be a quick I mean

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 3: People still be calling on him.

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Speaker 1: I am, yeah for sure. What he's two years left

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Speaker 1: they're they're gonna keep doing all of these moves here,

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Speaker 1: but you could see, I don't know, I start to like, go, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if you love Tyre's haliburn and you get a pick,

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Speaker 1: you get out. You got to get this high pick

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Speaker 4: It's a good tear down. You got to tear it down.

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Speaker 4: They've been middling in that, in that realm of mediocrity

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Speaker 4: so Miles Turner's out now keep them out? Oh yeah, right,

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Speaker 4: hang out, hang out with that ankle injury for a while.

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Speaker 4: There's no need to come back. Keep making those TikTok videos,

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Speaker 4: Miles Turner, you don't need to come back right now.

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Speaker 2: Just chill.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So trade grades, Kings, what are you giving this

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Speaker 3: I'm giving them a C plus. Okay, I don't love

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Speaker 3: giving up Halliburton, but they did get Sabonis. He's a

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: To me, the thing you're thinking about with the Kings

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Speaker 3: here is the opportunity cost of it all right, Like

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Speaker 3: you could have traded Healed for something else, maybe a pick,

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Speaker 3: and you're rebuilding, But then you're rebuilding once again.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm having a hard time getting upset for the

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Speaker 3: today than they had yesterday. I'm gonna give an a

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Speaker 3: to Tyrese Haliburton, because if you're a Kings fan and

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Speaker 3: you love this guy so much, you should be happy

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Speaker 3: he's out of you, out of your franchise where you

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Speaker 3: I'm I don't know. Would you rather have draft picks

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fair question.

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Speaker 3: I think you would rather have Tyrese Haliburton because you're

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Speaker 3: for a top twenty pick or a twenty through thirty

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: So like you're saying, skeets, they don't like a long

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Speaker 3: rebuild in Indiana, and it seems like with Halliburton and

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Speaker 4: Right yeah, right, You're you're selling hope there today and

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Speaker 1: I still think, well, the Kings need to pray that.

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Speaker 1: Sobonis and Fox are just like this unbelievable offensive one too,

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Speaker 1: me of Haliburton is and maybe come for a two

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Speaker 1: year rental, right, just praying that, uh you know again,

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Speaker 1: it just like invigorates Fox and having a big that

433
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Speaker 1: you can go into and you can get buckets from him. Again,

434
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Speaker 1: they'll be able to do that. He's gonna put up

435
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 1: some monster numbers, Sobona says, but is that going to

436
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Speaker 1: translate into wins? Because if it doesn't, then holy crap.

437
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,119
Speaker 1: They have tried to put a band aid over this

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Speaker 1: and it's just like it's made it worse now it's infected.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you remember the play in tournament last year,

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Speaker 4: Sabonis was uh you know, the head of a snake

441
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Speaker 4: of a pacers team that bounced out in the play

442
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Speaker 4: in tournament and uh yeah, it was him and Malcolm

443
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 4: Brognen trying to make it work. Now it's gonna be

444
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Speaker 4: him and Fox and that's the worst some part. Fox

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Speaker 4: doesn't seem all that jazzed to be there. He's not

446
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Speaker 4: having a great year. He's signed their long term. They

447
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 4: did get off I go back to they did trade

448
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Speaker 4: Buddy Heald's contract away, which works for them.

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Speaker 1: They have David On Mitchell that who there they just drafted,

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Speaker 1: so they like that he compare with Fox, Yeah, even

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Speaker 1: though they're smaller. Yeah, great, great for the Kings.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't nan don't like uh, you know, they did,

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Speaker 4: you have the best player, but I would drop it

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Speaker 4: to a C minus. Uh because yeah, I see both sides.

456
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Speaker 4: I've been a fan of a horrendous franchise as well

457
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Speaker 4: that's missed the postseason and you just want to get back.

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Speaker 4: And at the same time, yeah, they're they're they're they're

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Speaker 4: kind of middling. They just they're not selling hope. They're

460
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Speaker 4: just selling this team that could get into the playing

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Speaker 4: tournament picture and could have a yeah an okay, a

462
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Speaker 4: couple of years here with a core of Daron Fox,

463
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Speaker 4: who again is supposed to be your your your first

464
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Speaker 4: or second best player and and just isn't isn't living

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Speaker 4: up to it, And I just worry that, Yeah, the

466
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Speaker 4: life will be sucked from Debout to Sabonis once he

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Speaker 4: gets the Sacramento too.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's the worrisome part. Uh. And you just

469
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Speaker 2: had a.

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Speaker 4: Guy, the homegrown guy. Yeah, you just drafted him in

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Speaker 4: Tyrese Haliburton. That look pretty happy to be there. So

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Speaker 4: I'm a little for by that.

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Speaker 1: You're bumming me up. Drove all the way back for this.

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Speaker 3: Crab.

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Speaker 1: But I loved hearing Fox. I mean I hope to

476
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Speaker 1: see him play uh, you know, obviously like he did

477
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Speaker 1: last year at times uh, and a lot better than

478
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Speaker 1: he is this year, and having a big that he

479
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 1: compare with will maybe we'll maybe help them win. Call him,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not convinced, I mean, by any means for

481
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Speaker 1: a long time. Yes they are, Yes, they are okay. Well,

482
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Speaker 1: any final thoughts here, because we what needs to happen

483
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Speaker 1: is we have to wrap up this. I need to

484
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Speaker 1: get back in my car and get one minute from

485
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Speaker 1: home and then for you to call me and say that, uh,

486
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Speaker 1: James hard and Ben Simmons have been traded for one another.

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Speaker 1: And then I'll turn right back around and we'll just

488
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Speaker 1: do it all over again. But any any final thoughts

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Speaker 1: here on the Pacers game. Here is a question that

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Speaker 1: we debated because I was going to put it in

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Speaker 1: the thumbnail, going to put it in the title. Is

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Speaker 1: this a blockbuster? Sabonis Halliburton healed Justin Holiday, who people

493
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Speaker 1: are pointing out can't even play in Sacramento because apparently

494
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Speaker 1: he's not vaccinated.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if this is true. He's got to

496
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Speaker 2: get moved. I think less he can't play Blockbuster.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm going no, But yeah, this is not a blockbuster,

498
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Speaker 3: but we're building.

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Speaker 1: It could be the biggest trade of the deadline. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: it's not.

501
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 2: Let's hope that.

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00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 3: Look where we started. Cam Reddish yep, Norm Powell, Yeah,

503
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Speaker 3: c J McCollum, Yes, Demontos Bonus, Yes, James Harden, Lebron,

504
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 3: James Lebron, James Nay.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, we are building.

506
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Speaker 3: We're building. Yeah, the ordership James Nay Smith to uh

507
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Speaker 3: MLB and MLB founder Abner double Day will become the

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Speaker 3: founder of basketball. Actually, wow, that's just what I'm hearing

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Speaker 3: from my sources.

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Speaker 2: It's a blockbuster.

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Speaker 1: So yes, you would agree, not a block This one's

512
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Speaker 1: not a blockbuster.

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00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 2: But for us basketball geeks, this isn't a blockbuster.

514
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Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest to right now, to shitty franchises,

515
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 1: because so that a blockbuster usually is like the Piecers

516
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: and Kings are not suddenly you know, going to be

517
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Speaker 1: storming through the playoffs here, it's it's a shaking the

518
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: league up.

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00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, Vucevic last year was traded to from

520
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 4: a franchise that's struggling to a bullster.

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00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We didn't call it a blockbuster, no, no vouch.

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00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think.

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Speaker 1: Team we talked about it way more than we probably would.

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Speaker 4: Have other one because it was the biggest deal at

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Speaker 4: the deadline. Yeah, right, buster, but I agree. I agree

527
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Speaker 4: at the time it didn't feel blockbustery. No, so I

528
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Speaker 4: guess not.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, the stream teams, they seem a little, a

530
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Speaker 1: little torn. Some people are saying blockbuster video. Some people

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Speaker 1: are saying this is more of a Netflix, this is

532
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Speaker 1: a brick blister. We got somebody saying this was about

533
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Speaker 1: as blockbuster as Suicide Squad. That's from alex I never

534
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: watched it. Well, which one?

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Speaker 3: I didn't watch either of them.

536
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Speaker 1: One of them was good, one of them garbage, right, JD,

537
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: back me up on that. I feel like you've seen

538
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: these No.

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00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 2: That is one hundred percent right right. One of them

540
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: was garbage and one of them was pretty good. I

541
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Speaker 2: wouldn't say great, but pretty good.

542
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 3: So neither really a block No, no, and neither was this deal.

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Speaker 1: But we're happy about it. Like Traca, we're growing to

544
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: something bigger. We're growing to the James Hard and Ben

545
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: Simmons trade, or Damian Liller being traded.

546
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Speaker 2: Or what other name.

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Speaker 1: I guess those are sort of like the big, big

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Speaker 1: big names.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: Otherwise we're beal I guess, be a big one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean it's fun to say Lebron

552
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Speaker 2: James n.

553
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Speaker 1: I was kidding.

554
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: I thought you in the mix.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, that's why I heard.

556
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Speaker 2: I thought you were saying it for the transcribers. I

557
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe it helps the hits.

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00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: Oh you want me to throw that out there?

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00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 4: Throw close captioning. Maybe it helps I guess Westbrook does Westbrook?

560
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Speaker 1: Would Westbrook even count anymore?

561
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Speaker 3: If you that hurts, I gotta say it, MVP Hall

562
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Speaker 3: of Famer, top seventy five.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's a blockbuster, all right. Well, whatever happened next,

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Speaker 1: we'll be back here in the Classic Factory to break

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Speaker 1: it down. If no other trade happens tonight, join us

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Speaker 1: tomorrow morning. Let me say this again at ten am

567
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: Eastern live here on YouTube to talk about tonight's games.

568
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: Any of the big stories and maybe some of the

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Speaker 1: minor trades that we will not get back together. Who knows,

570
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: you never know. I mean we did a thing on

571
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: cam Reddish once upon a time, so now you don't

572
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: even play it. Just like, why do you even trade

573
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: for him? Did a computer accidentally trade for him?

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00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: We don't even know.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, we'll be back here in the Classic Factory tomorrow

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Speaker 1: morning for sure at tennam Eastern Live. Thank you to

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Speaker 1: everybody that joined us live. Take a second if you

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Speaker 1: have it, like the video, subscribe to Notice on YouTube

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Speaker 1: and leave your thoughts on this trade on this Pacers

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Speaker 1: King's blockbuster in the comments section below. Till then we'll

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Speaker 1: see tomorrow