1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Hey, we've got big league veteran pitcher Matt Barnes joining 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: us right now on f going on in a minute, 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: how you been. 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good. Was listening in. I love that take? 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: Which one give it to us because because you've always 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: you've always had strong opinions, and now you're getting to 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: do some broadcasting too. I've caught you on some of 8 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: the nets and allcasts and obstructed views. 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: It's been great. So just for it. 10 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: React to some of what you heard while you were catching. 11 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: Out the Pirate the Pirates Marlins without a doubt with 12 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 2: those pitching staffs. But you have to spend money. You 13 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: have to, without a doubt. For me, every team that's 14 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 2: one of the last fifteen years starts with young talent 15 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: that's come up together, supplemented with big league veterans that 16 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 2: you bring over and sign. End of story, Braves, Red Sox, Dodgers, Nationals, 17 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: right like anybody who's done it has done that, and 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: to me, that is it is, without a doubt the recipe. 19 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: I like, good take. 20 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: All right, So what are you seeing with the Red 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: Sox right now? Because I know you've you know, done 22 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: some extra coverage on them. What do you like and 23 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: not like about this team. 24 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: I think they got a good team. I mean they're 25 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: second in right second in the AL East right now 26 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: going into a big series against the Yankees, who frankly, 27 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 2: they played really well against this year. The pitching staff 28 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: has been incredible, complimented obviously by Geary Crochet, Gilitos throwing 29 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 2: the ball well, BeOS throwing the ball well. The two 30 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: the two young young guys that came up early and 31 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,559 Speaker 2: totally have been been absolutely incredible and punched out eleven 32 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: in your first game is unheard of. Chatting at the 33 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 2: back end and and I think for the most part 34 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: they've been healthy or healthier right now. I know you 35 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 2: have a bred you and Anthony on the IL with 36 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: a couple other guys, but Story being healthy this year 37 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: I think has been been a blessing for them. When 38 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: he's healthy and on the fields, he's just he's a 39 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: game changer, not only defensively, but in the middle of 40 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: the in the middle of the lineup. And I think 41 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,919 Speaker 2: going into into the end of September, they're position really nicely. 42 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: If they can get those two guys back healthy, you 43 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: have a ton of guys in the team with postseason experience, 44 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: which right now is critical these games, even though it's 45 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: not the postseason, they start to feel like that games 46 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: start to mean more. The pressure starts to mount a 47 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: little bit, you know, especially playing They always kind of 48 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: set it up where you play a lot of divisional 49 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: games at the end, and I think all they got 50 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 2: to do is get in, and they're in a great 51 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: spot to get in. They kind of control their own 52 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: destiny right now. So it's going to be exciting to 53 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 2: see how it finishes up with the next three weeks. 54 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 3: One of the things that was just constantly reiterated about 55 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: the Yankees why they lost to Dodgers in the World 56 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 3: Series and lose the Dodgers in like the Wildcar rounds 57 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 3: so they made it to the World Series was defense. 58 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 3: Is the Red Sox defense slash experience in the playoffs 59 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: going to come up and bite them because of the 60 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: fact that, in my opinion, they have Sedane Rafaela, who's 61 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: playing goal gloves center field. 62 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: He could be a goal glove second basement. 63 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 3: So you kind of have like guys a little bit 64 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 3: out of position, and with Anthony out, maybe they don't 65 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 3: have their best defensive alignment out there. 66 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: Yah. Yes, and no I think right now, there's so 67 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: many analytics in the game where guys are positioned. Where 68 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: obviously there's there's kind of ball reading and closing metrics 69 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: and what not to get the fly balls and but 70 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: but for me, a lot of that comes down to 71 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: the coaching staff and making sure guys are in the 72 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 2: right in the right position with Raphael and centerfield, having 73 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: that guy lock it down in center field. For me, 74 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: at Fenway is a very difficult, very difficult center field 75 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: to play because of the angles with the monster and 76 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: you've got the triangle and center. As long as he 77 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: can control the entire outfield, I think that's gonna be 78 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: fine with which he's done. And I think having Story 79 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: up the middle really helps kind of carry that up 80 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: the middle field. So genuinely, I think they're gonna be okay. 81 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: In the Red Sox coaching staff has always done a 82 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: really good job of making sure everybody's not only prepared, 83 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: but positioned properly. So but again on the experience, they 84 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: have a ton of experience. I know that relatively young, right, 85 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: but they have a lot of experience with guys who 86 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: have been in the World Series. In one World Series 87 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: played in the postseason and those are the guys that 88 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: you're going to lean on when you get to the postseason. 89 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 4: Matt, you mentioned the coaching staff. What is the coaching 90 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,559 Speaker 4: staff done for Brian Bayo other than that a cutter? 91 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 4: I mean, how have they Because he came up, he 92 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 4: was amazing. He kind of had a struggle last year 93 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 4: and this year he's been really good again. And then 94 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 4: Lucas Giolito kind of the same thing coming off injury, 95 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 4: struggled a little bit. 96 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: What is Andrew Bailey and. 97 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 4: The coaching staff done there to turn them around and 98 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 4: make them forces? Because they're forces for him right now. 99 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of it is confidence, right 100 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: So it's not only attacking his own, but it's putting 101 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 2: these guys in positions. It's the preparation and how do 102 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: we get to the pitches that are your out pitches? 103 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: How do we set guys up. It's being on the 104 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: same page the catchers. It's having the scouting reports. You know, 105 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: when I was there, we would all kind of sit 106 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: down and they show you where your stuff plays best, 107 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 2: the trends, what you're you know, where you're trying to 108 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: get to to put guys out, And for me, that's 109 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 2: a huge part of it. When you get you get 110 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: guys falling behind and they're not attacking the zone, you 111 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: not only put yourself into bad positions, but then the 112 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: confidence of the pitchers kind of you have a little 113 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: bit of bad luck. And for me, really driving home 114 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: that confidence and the ability to attack guys as an 115 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 2: absolute game changer. You've seen it with them, and even 116 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: Chapman taking it to the absolute next level this year, 117 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 2: a guy who's been a perennial All Star for what 118 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 2: is it twelve years? You even see it with him. 119 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 2: So for me, it's it's a kind of a combination 120 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: of those those couple of things. 121 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 3: All Right, this team's in second place. Technically they're in third, 122 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 3: you know, a little bit behind the Yankees. Would they 123 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 3: be in first place if they had kept Raffi Devers? 124 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know. I don't know. Devers is 125 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 2: an unbelievable player, and as long as I was with him, 126 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: he was an unbelievable person. He played the game like 127 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 2: he was in little league, which for me is such 128 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 2: a rare thing to see at a level that is 129 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 2: so competitive. But I don't know, it's so hard to 130 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 2: tell what's going on inside the clubhouse. You have people 131 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: reporting one thing and somebody's saying another thing. But for me, 132 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: like I said, I don't know, I don't know. But 133 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: what I do think is that despite all of the 134 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: distractions that were surrounded Devers, whether it was prior to 135 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: or after, I think the team has done a really 136 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: nice job of moving on from the situation and still winning. 137 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: Time for your weekly Arena Club segment where we see 138 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: what AJ pulls from a slab pack. Andre we go 139 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: pull Emerald pack this week. AJ looking for something big. 140 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: Always, I'm always looking for the big thing. 141 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: Big things got big money, big money. 142 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 2: Baby. We've got a. 143 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: Dave Winfield card from nineteen seventy four, seventy four tops 144 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: card from this Emerald pack. Estimated value three hundred bucks. 145 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: You could sell it back for two seventy sold sold. 146 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: I feel like you are into more of the current players. 147 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: Would that be accurate? 148 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: Like legend in my showroom might have a Robin you out, 149 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: I have a Griffy Rookie car. That's true, So I 150 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: mean I have some older vintageer players. Bob Gibson, Oh yeah, 151 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: you have Gibson, So I know. 152 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 4: I disagree Scott, But Dave Winfield for that amount of 153 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 4: money back, I'm reselling it. 154 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: And if you want to get your own pack or 155 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: new card, you can get twenty percent off your first 156 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: slab pack or card purchase at arenaclub dot com. 157 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 4: Slash foul you mean, Matt, Matt Barnes is saying right now, 158 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 4: the raffie Devers doesn't play like Dustin Pedroya played. Dustin 159 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 4: Pedroit didn't feel like he was in Little Are you kidding? 160 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? 161 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 4: I mean very similar personalities. I mean, you know, Devers 162 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 4: was smiling, and I don't know if PD ever smiled. 163 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 4: I was there for a few months, three or four months. 164 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 4: I don't know PD ever Off the field. Yes, on 165 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 4: the field, PD was all business right. 166 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: I mean you would show up to the field for 167 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: a one o'clock game right at eleven o'clock. P D's 168 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: in front of his locker wearing full UNI and I'd 169 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: be like, man, what game shrucks in two hours? What 170 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: are we doing? And He's like eleven, he was there nine, 171 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,679 Speaker 2: He was there, glove going like this, Like I asked him, like, Pete, 172 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 2: what are we doing games in two hours? He was like, 173 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 2: am just in case we start early? But he was 174 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 2: ready just in case that one time happened. 175 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 4: Oh PD was a beauty. 176 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 2: PD was a beauty. Yeah, but I can't imagine similar 177 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, but but Devas but he was. He's 178 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: such a good person. And and for me, and I 179 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 2: think that there's so many different takes on this, right, 180 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 2: but but for me, and this is kind of the 181 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: way that I look at it. When you give Devers 182 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: three hundred and thirty million dollars, you are establishing that 183 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: he is your cornerstone player that you are going to 184 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: build around for the next what was it thirteen year, 185 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 2: ten years, thirteen years, whatever it was, right, And then 186 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 2: you go into it and obviously Devs has had some 187 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: struggles at third base defensively, But you go into spring 188 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: training and you sign Bregman, and there must have been 189 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: some sort of miscommunication, whether they didn't talk to Devers 190 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 2: about potentially signing him to come play third base, or 191 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 2: they didn't talk to him once they signed Bregman to 192 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: tell Devers that they wanted him to play third base. Now, 193 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: the way that I look at this is, do you 194 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: think that they would have ever signed somebody to play 195 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 2: right field? And now talk to Mookie bets about it, 196 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: or would they have ever signed a shortstop and now 197 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: talked to Xander about it and then just told them, hey, 198 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: you're going to play this position. So for me, I 199 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: feel like Devers thinks he was disrespected by the organization 200 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: in that communication front, and once that happens, it's really 201 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: difficult to get out of that. Right. So then they say, Okay, 202 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 2: you know what, Bregan is gonna play third. He wants 203 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: you to dh Devers doesn't want to do that, but 204 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 2: ultimately that's what he does. But then all of a sudden, 205 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 2: somebody gets hurt, Castle gets her at first base, and 206 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 2: they want him to play first base, and he's like, Now, 207 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: for me, it feels like Devers is getting thrown in 208 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: twelve different directions. Now I understand the argument where hey, 209 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: we need you to play first base. We understand that 210 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 2: you're not going to be a goal glove first baseman. 211 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 2: There are going to be growing pains. We're gonna work 212 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 2: with you, but this is what the team needs and 213 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: ultimately putting the team first to win a championship is 214 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: what needs to happen. But on Devers's front, like, I 215 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 2: kind of understand the level of disrespect that he felt 216 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 2: as the cornerstone guy, like you're just gonna throw me 217 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 2: out of my position and there's not even a conversation 218 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: to be had. So I kind of get I get 219 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 2: both sides of it. 220 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you definitely see that from Acs from Alice 221 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 3: Kora's comment like, hey, hem Bloom signed to do that contract. 222 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 3: Heim Bloom told you you're the third baseman, and that 223 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: was kind of indicative of like, yeah, maybe they didn't 224 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 3: really go to him, and you know, it was kind 225 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 3: of a power struggle and hey, we are where we are, 226 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 3: and good for the Giants they picked up their their. 227 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: Supports super star back right now. But also in defense, 228 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 2: like AC was there with him when all of that happened, 229 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 2: So it's not one hundred percent on high like him 230 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 2: and John arek and they give Devers three hundred and 231 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 2: thirty million dollars without talking to Korra. That's not gonna happen. 232 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 2: So well, yes, Heim was the one who ultimately right 233 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 2: and John or with John's blessing, were the ones that 234 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 2: give Devers the contract for me for him. I don't know, 235 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 2: like AC was part of that conversation, so I don't know. 236 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: It's a tough scenario regardless. But either way, I think, 237 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: you know, like you said, good for the Giants because 238 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 2: they picked up what I know to be a great 239 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: a great person and a great ballplayer and a guy 240 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 2: who's won in one of the hardest cities in the league. 241 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 2: And you know, the Red Sox eloaded some money and 242 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: the Giants got them for you know, and and the 243 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 2: Red Sox got a guy out of their clubhouse who 244 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: they thought was hurting them. So now it's a tough situation. 245 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: But the Red Sox, like I said, have continued to 246 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: win and put themselves in a position to be in 247 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 2: the postseason, which is ultimately what matters. 248 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 3: It does, and they opened up some payroll to really 249 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 3: get into that pocket. Or John Henry will just spend 250 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 3: it on his Liverpool soccer team where he's signing all 251 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 3: the free agents there. But that's for another discussion. You pitched, 252 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 3: You pitched with a pitch com did you ever hear 253 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 3: curveball and say, no, what I'm pissed at this catcher. 254 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 3: I'm throwing a fastball. I'm not sure if he's going 255 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 3: to catch it, but we'll see what happens. 256 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 2: Never in my life, what do you think about it? That. 257 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 3: Could you believe that happened based on how I saw it? 258 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 3: I saw it as an intentional thing. Maybe that's not 259 00:12:55,120 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 3: your opinion, But okay, how that all played out, Could 260 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: you believe you saw that at the big league level? 261 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 2: No? To me, that's just it's not only reckless and dangerous, 262 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 2: but but he loses his teammates. Now, like if we'll 263 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: never know whether or not it was actually intentional. The 264 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 2: clubhouse knows, in the in the staff and write all 265 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: the players they know. But but the ketchup wants you 266 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: to step off for one reason or another. You don't 267 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: step off. You throw a fastball down the middle of 268 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: the plate. It's not the catcher's wall. You through the 269 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: ball down the middle of the plate and give up 270 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 2: a grand slam. That's on you. So to come back 271 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: and cross up your catcher is so mind boggling to me, 272 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: cross them up intentionally. It's so mind boggling to me 273 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 2: that it's hard to wrap my head around it. And 274 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 2: to say that the pitch com couldn't hear now, like 275 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: if we see him go up right, we don't know 276 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 2: which side guys put it on. As a writer, I 277 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 2: put it on my left side. So my glove could 278 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: cover it. If right, I've ever got too loud you 279 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: kind of go like this. We never saw him put 280 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 2: his glove up to his head. We never saw any 281 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 2: remorse once he did it. Mind you, I've crossed up 282 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 2: bath Squez before and I pinned him with ninety seven 283 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 2: directly in the chest back when we were using fingers. 284 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 2: Finger got lost in the shadow and I didn't see it. 285 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 2: Or we're going through forty five different signs with a 286 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: man on second base and kind of got lost in 287 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: the shuffle and small miscommunication and crossed them up. But 288 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: the instant reaction isn't turned my back and walk away. 289 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: It's like, man, you are right, Like hey, that sorry? Right? 290 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 2: So I just and for the position that they're in 291 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 2: trying to get to the postseason, like that divides a 292 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 2: clubhouse and you lose one of your star pitchers. It's 293 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: just that's not good. I bet Vaski was super happy 294 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 2: with you, so but this and it's so funny, like 295 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: it was like I think it was the second time, 296 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: mind you, we were going. I think we were going 297 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: like Chase to We're going was it Chase to two 298 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: or Chase the one? And we used to do like 299 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 2: this for a high fastball. Oh no, we were going 300 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: chase to one and he did something like this this 301 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,359 Speaker 2: I and I for me, this is still a fastball. 302 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: But we were following the one, so he that's what 303 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: it was. He went here, here, here, so he was 304 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: expecting curveball, but I was chasing the one which I 305 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: thought was a high fastball and drilled him in the chest. 306 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: It was awful, awful, But to your point is like 307 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 2: after the second time that I did it, Purcella pulled 308 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: me aside and was like, hey, this needs to be 309 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 2: figured out now enough, and like that's it right, Hey 310 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: that it's on me one hundred percent. But it got handled. 311 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: So hopefully somebody had a conversation with him and they 312 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: can figure out what's going on, not only for their 313 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: team now, but but think about the guys or the 314 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 2: catchers when he goes into free agency, Like, who's gonna 315 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 2: want to deal with that? Like it's just such a 316 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 2: selfish thing to do. 317 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 4: Now, what about what happened in San Diego? Do you 318 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 4: see what happened with you, Darvish, you Daris City. The 319 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 4: catcher wanted to or you wanted a two steamer and 320 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 4: the PitchCom wasn't working, So you just threw a curveball 321 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 4: because that's what he heard, and he gave up a 322 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 4: homer and then he called the catcher out and was like, 323 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 4: I can't hear my PitchCom have you ever? 324 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of it before? Or just too before? 325 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: Why can't you just step off? You can't you just 326 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 2: step off? I know there was nobody on base. 327 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 4: Can't you just step off and start over? 328 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? If you if you just step off, you can 329 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: the umpire is gonna give you, Like, if you step 330 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: off and immediately point to your thing, the umpire is 331 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 2: gonna give you a minute to figure it out. Now, 332 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 2: if it happens three or four times, I mean it's 333 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: at some point. I think it happened with the Red 334 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: Sox not too long ago. I was watching the game 335 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 2: and somebody was having an issue with the pitch calm, 336 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 2: and after like the third time, they were like, all right, 337 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 2: that's a ball, but like they work pretty well and 338 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 2: you're gonna have issues, but the catcher's got one. You've 339 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 2: got one. If you don't hears something, step off. The 340 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: worst thing you can do is throw a pitch that 341 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: either one of you a doesn't want or b doesn't 342 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: know what's coming. I mean, nothing good's gonna come of that. 343 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: Hey, Matt, I want to transition to or all this chairman. 344 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: He's having just a gross year, unbelievable run for him. 345 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: Finally gave up a hit for the first time in 346 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: like a couple months yesterday, which is crazy. But the 347 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: story I want to ask you about is the one 348 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: that surfaced about him not thinking about spotting his fastball 349 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: until this year. I don't know if you caught that one. 350 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: We had brothers bias on the other day and he 351 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: confirmed it and thought it was funny and interesting. 352 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 2: So how does that happen? 353 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: That's my question, Like to not even toy around with 354 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: it and be like, wait, let me just try to 355 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: spot it instead of just chucking it, you know, and 356 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: aiming what down the middle or whatever? 357 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:07,239 Speaker 2: He is? 358 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: Can you explain the inside picture lingo that goes on there. 359 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: First off, To make it this long in the league 360 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: and be as successful as he's had or as he's 361 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: been and not try to command anything is so incredible 362 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: that that I don't think people really understand, like his stuff, 363 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,479 Speaker 2: your stuff has to be so good to be that 364 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 2: successful and not try to command anything. Just here it 365 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 2: is you can't hit it. But but it's crazy to me. 366 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: But the second part of that is he's evolving as 367 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 2: a picture which at his age and what he's accomplishes 368 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 2: is incredible in itself. And I think I talked about 369 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 2: this a little bit on mess In the other night. 370 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: But he can he can still go out there and 371 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 2: just kind of throw a hundred and be dominant, but 372 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 2: to get to the point where he's now trying to 373 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 2: command it. And I think what the Red Sox are 374 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 2: doing is they've recognized where he misses right, so as 375 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: a lefty, his ball kind of rides up and rides 376 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: down and in with the sinker. Instead of always trying 377 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 2: to throw armside into a lefty away from a righty. 378 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: If we work a little bit more glove side when 379 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: you miss, you're still going to be a strike and 380 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 2: be competitive. And his stuff is so good that all 381 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: he has to do is get ahead and then guys 382 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: are going to get put away. So and it's interesting, 383 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: and I wonder how many guys in the league genuinely 384 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: try to command stuff and transparently. For the first like 385 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 2: five years of my career in the Big leagues. I 386 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 2: was just like, here's my stuff. And then I got 387 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: to a point where I was like, workmen started talking 388 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 2: with me. I started struggling a little bit, and I 389 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 2: started working with Brandon Workman. I didn't know much about, 390 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 2: you know, tunneling pitches or kind of playing off of 391 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 2: missus and kind of actually pitching, and workmen sat down 392 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 2: with me and you started watching video and figuring out 393 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 2: how all of this worked. And the biggest thing for 394 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 2: me was playing off of what actually happened and not 395 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 2: what you intended to do. So if I throw a fastball, 396 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 2: or if we're trying to throw a fastball down in 397 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: a way to a righty, but I miss up and in, well, 398 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: two things happened. One, I now have a fastball up 399 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 2: and into playing my second pitch off of But I 400 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 2: also have the fastball down in a way that I 401 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 2: can still go to because I never actually executed that pitch. 402 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: So then that gives me an insight into Okay, well 403 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 2: I can throw a front or a curveball off of 404 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 2: that fastball up and in, or I can go down 405 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 2: in a way right. So it kind of it just 406 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 2: opens up a whole different level of thinking and the 407 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 2: ability to tunnel stuff. And when you have stuff like his, 408 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 2: if you tunnel it, it literally takes you from I 409 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 2: don't always got a two and a half in his 410 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: career to a one, and it goes from giving up 411 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: three hits a month to none. But but what he's 412 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 2: doing is nothing short of amazing. And the hard part 413 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 2: for me is, and maybe this is the reliever bias 414 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 2: in me, I don't think that relievers get enough credit 415 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 2: towards winning a cy Young just because I mean, it's 416 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 2: always been a starter's award for the most part. Uh 417 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 2: And and I don't know if it's an inning sting 418 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 2: or whatnot, but for me, what this guy is meant 419 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 2: to the back of the bullpen for the Red Sox 420 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 2: deserves to get him some sort of talk about winning 421 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 2: a cy Young. 422 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 3: They're coming out with a reliever Award, not the not 423 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 3: the one that's the Mariano and Trevor Hoffman Award, but 424 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 3: next year they're actually coming out. 425 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 2: With oh so now that mimics the cy Young. That's yeah. 426 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 3: So basically they'll probably get less votes for you and 427 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 3: they'll get their Reliever of the Year award. It won't 428 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 3: just be the closers, but it'll be Reliever Reliever of 429 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 3: the Year award starting next year. 430 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 2: Which is awesome, right, as long as it holds the 431 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 2: same weight as a cy Young because winning a cy 432 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 2: Young when you go into contract negotiations, if you have 433 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: a cy Young under your belt, it's big money. So 434 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 2: as long as the teams recognize that award as the 435 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 2: reliever equivalent of a cy Young and even make the 436 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 2: cy Young strictly your starters award, I'm fine with that, 437 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 2: as long as there's an equivalent for the relievers and 438 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: teams recognizing compensate appropriately for that perfect. 439 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: Hey last one, Matt, we saw you're doing a little 440 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: banana ball action and you didn't officially announced retirement stuff, right, 441 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: Although you know our crew is not really into that. 442 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: They just say, you know, I go off. What's your thing, ajaning? 443 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: What do you always. 444 00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 2: Say stuff like I have PaperWorks not submitted officially, Okay, paperwork. 445 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 4: I never submitted paperwork. 446 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's a formality. Honestly, in 447 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: this day and age, I think it's probably just to 448 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 2: get your name up on an Instagram post. Don't do it, 449 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: But no I haven't. I was trying to play earlier 450 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 2: this year and genuinely, and this is what's kind of 451 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: frustrating about it. I went through the entire process with 452 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 2: Tread and I would do the whole six month thing. 453 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 2: And I threw down at Tread's pro day and what 454 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 2: was it, January tenth, I think it was. And this 455 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: to me is how far the game has come, which 456 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 2: is good but also crazy. Like in January tenth, I 457 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 2: was ninety two to ninety three with great stuff and 458 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: a bullpen inside, and I started talking to one of 459 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: the Cubs scouts and I'm like, this is like, hey, 460 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 2: this is like even when I threw ninety nine to 461 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 2: a hot like I took ninety three miles an hour 462 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: in a bullpen, There's some guys out there that can 463 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 2: throw ninety eight miles an hour. They just flip a switch. 464 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 2: I can do it in a bullpen. I've never been 465 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: that guy. But so I ended up talking to the 466 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 2: one of the Cub scouts and I'm like, this is 467 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: such an interesting position to me. For like, if I 468 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 2: was in this bullpen throwing ninety five today, I'd have 469 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 2: a job at the end of the day. Not that 470 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 2: I could have, but if I was, I'd be thrown 471 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 2: I'd have a job at the end of the day. 472 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 2: But I also know that if I tried to go 473 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 2: out there and like only focus on trying to throw 474 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 2: ninety five for the last four months, and I was 475 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 2: throw ninety five in January tenth, by the time September 476 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 2: rolled around, I'd be throwing eighty six. So it was 477 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 2: such an interesting position to be in. And you know what, 478 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 2: it didn't work out. I didn't end up getting a 479 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 2: job offer, and truthful, it sucks. But when I look 480 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 2: back on the last however many years I was, you know, 481 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 2: nine ten years in the big leagues, I just I 482 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 2: don't have any regrets. I was very fortunate to accomplish 483 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 2: a lot of stuff and do some really cool things. 484 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 2: And now I get to be home with my son 485 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 2: and my family and and do some other fun stuff 486 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 2: and kind of move on to the next chapter of 487 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 2: my life, which has been incredible. I mean, do you 488 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 2: miss the game and parts of it? Of course you do, 489 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 2: but you know there's there's sometimes you just kind of 490 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 2: the next chapter closes, and and you know, not many 491 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: of us get to go out on our own terms 492 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: or you know, exactly how we want to. So I've 493 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 2: been fortunate enough to kind of do a lot. But 494 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: now I'm now I get to go play band of 495 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,959 Speaker 2: ball every once in a while when I want to. 496 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: That's cool, that's cool. 497 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 3: Do you think teams are Do you think teams are 498 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 3: missing the boat there because we have an epidemic of 499 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 3: injuries and dudes wearing out? Do you think teams are 500 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 3: missing the boat because they don't give a guy who 501 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 3: has nine years ten years of experience in the big 502 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 3: leagues a job just because he's not throwing ninety six 503 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 3: to ninety eight in a bullpen in January, because I 504 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 3: always said and I had to go to spring training 505 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 3: to try to make the team. I never had a spot. 506 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 3: I had to come into spring training ready to go. 507 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 3: I couldn't have tried out for a team in January, 508 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 3: like there's like a build up ready to go right 509 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 3: the last. 510 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 2: The season, right like I got dfaed by the Nats 511 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 2: in May of last year, and transparently I had thought 512 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 2: about at that point, I was doing one hundred and 513 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: ten percent of the work to get seventy percent of 514 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 2: the output, and I was like, I don't even know 515 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 2: if I want to do this anymore. My son was 516 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: four months old, but then after a few months off, 517 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 2: I was like, man, I got the itch. So that's 518 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 2: when I started going through everything. And I only wanted, honestly, God, 519 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 2: I was trying to get a minor league, a minor 520 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 2: league deal with an invite to camp to prove myself. 521 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,719 Speaker 2: I wouldn't expect it. I never asked for a big 522 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 2: league deal either, Like I just wanted a chance to 523 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 2: come show you that I was good. I never got 524 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 2: single offer. But I think the hard part A lot 525 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 2: of teams want the young guy that either a they 526 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 2: don't have to pay a lot to, or they have 527 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 2: control over. And for me, with my time, there was 528 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 2: no control. If I was in the big leagues, then 529 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: if you wanted to get rid of me, you had 530 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 2: the DFA me so. And they want flexibility a guy 531 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: throwing you know, I'll take four guys throwing one hundred 532 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 2: and eventually one of them is going to click, as 533 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 2: opposed to a guy throwing ninety five. But then again, 534 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 2: I think the other part of it is how many 535 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 2: teams are actually competitive, Because if you're not a competitive, 536 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 2: if you're not competitive, why would you bring in a 537 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 2: guy who's thirty four turning thirty five? This year, who's 538 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 2: you know, ninety four ninety five when at this point, 539 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 2: arguably my biggest asset is my experience to a help 540 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 2: younger generation. But be in the postseason and having been 541 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 2: there five times or whatever, four times, whatever it was. 542 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 2: But if a team's not competing to win, then that 543 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 2: doesn't appeal to them at all. And the teams that 544 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 2: are in a position to win, have you know, ten 545 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: guys that are throwing ninety seven to ninety nine now, 546 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 2: So it's it was a super unique position to be in. 547 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good point. I mean a third of 548 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: the league's like me, So I'm glad we got the insight. 549 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: Matt. 550 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: It's great catching up and obviously hope we do it 551 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: again because I love your takes. 552 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 2: So thanks for joining absolutely anytime, guys, appreciate it. Appreciate it, man,