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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime Trouble.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition to All the Smoke. Jack,

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Speaker 1: what's up with you? Baby? And they ain't all live? Man,

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Speaker 1: we got a very special guest today, Man, big homie,

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Speaker 1: most dominant player ever on the basketball court, Man Shot.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you on the person to catch me in

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Speaker 1: mid air before we Before we do, you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: the jokes. So I got some jerks hack sack with Flower,

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Speaker 1: but then he got the Vestibo got the Christ on

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Speaker 1: his tattoos. Jumping boy here looking like hey man, But man,

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Speaker 1: thank you for your time down year for the world.

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Speaker 1: What was one thing positive or negative you took from

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Speaker 1: last year? Was the hardest year of my life. I'm

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Speaker 1: forty nine years old and I've had a couple of deaths, grandmother, father,

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Speaker 1: But when my baby sister died that hit me. She

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Speaker 1: was forty. That really hit me because she had she

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Speaker 1: had cancer a couple of times and we beat it.

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Speaker 1: So when they told me she had cancer again, I

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Speaker 1: figured we're gonna beat it. But then it was just

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Speaker 1: too late. So I already got insothing anyway, So I

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Speaker 1: just made it times ten. And then one damn downstairs

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Speaker 1: working out with my youngest son, Shaquire, and one of

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Speaker 1: my other son comes in the in the Gymuey. He's

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Speaker 1: crying and I'm trying to prefigure out what he's crying.

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Speaker 1: When I say crying, I'm talking about tears everywhere. So

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Speaker 1: I'm like, my mom, okay, your mom, okay, my kids okay.

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Speaker 1: And then I see the Kobe thing. So now I'm like,

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Speaker 1: it gotta be a hoax because I was watching the

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Speaker 1: game when Brian passed him up. Probably just somebody messing

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Speaker 1: around on on the internet, and then the coach just

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Speaker 1: kept coming in and then you go watch TV and

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Speaker 1: it just it just hit. It put me in a

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Speaker 1: I should have Mowte. I should have spent more time

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Speaker 1: with my sister. I should have reached out to young fellow.

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Speaker 1: I should have just called to just check on them.

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Speaker 1: I should have. And you know, things like that you

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Speaker 1: can never get back. Somebody did a picture. I hope

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Speaker 1: you'll find this picture of an old Shock and old Kobe.

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Speaker 1: That's how I would have liked it to Ben. And

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Speaker 1: you know how it is as as as basketball players,

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Speaker 1: we don't always get along, but if the respect is there,

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Speaker 1: you can never be beaten. Like y'all know him, he was,

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Speaker 1: he was alpha. Y'all know me. I was the alpha.

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Speaker 1: We didn't always agree on things, but when it comes

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Speaker 1: time to compete on the court. I think the fact

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Speaker 1: that we always competed with each other made us even

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Speaker 1: more unstoppable, because Matt, you know me, I'm always in

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Speaker 1: the stats. Oh damn you and I only got fifteen.

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Speaker 1: It's something wrong with that picture. So we would always

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Speaker 1: compete with each other, and we was able to win

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Speaker 1: three out of four, and we did the Laker interview

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Speaker 1: and we we we talked. We had a good time.

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Speaker 1: Last time I saw him was when he announced he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be playing the last game. T and t uh

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Speaker 1: flew down and I did what I always did when

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Speaker 1: he was a youngster, and man, as you get fifty,

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Speaker 1: and what do you do? You know? I got sixty.

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Speaker 1: That was probably the last time I saw him. But

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Speaker 1: I should have reached out. I should have got in

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Speaker 1: this DM. I just should have shouldar shouldar should have it.

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Speaker 1: So now I'm just trying to reach out more to

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Speaker 1: people that I know, people that allow people that I

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Speaker 1: care about but it's been a hard year. But growing

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Speaker 1: up from a drill sergeant type father, you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to use the word get over, but you're

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Speaker 1: trying to overcome certain things and you're just trying to

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Speaker 1: try to move on. But it's hard. It really is hard.

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Speaker 1: I got a mirror of Kobe and my sister in

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Speaker 1: the house, so I see him every day. But it's

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Speaker 1: it's hard, and it just puts me in that I

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Speaker 1: should have mowed and you should never be and I

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Speaker 1: should have mowed. So my advice to everybody out there,

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Speaker 1: if you want to get something done, you want to

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Speaker 1: call somebody, you want to say something to somebody, just

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Speaker 1: do it. It doesn't matter if you have past differences,

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Speaker 1: past beef, if you got respect for that person, you

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Speaker 1: love them and you just hain't talking for a while,

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Speaker 1: did I mean that's you're good to face time about

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Speaker 1: the blue broke, it's out the blue of that, you know.

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Speaker 1: I love that and I want to congratulate you. I

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Speaker 1: really love this show. This show speaks our language. That's

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Speaker 1: actually the first show ever that speaks out of language.

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Speaker 1: I like the fact that you guys don't trying to

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Speaker 1: Brian Gumble. It down, So congratulations and I hope you

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Speaker 1: guys get many, many many more awards. Was tough, but

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to do big things and you know, Prospero,

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Speaker 1: basketball is kind of changed from what we know it

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Speaker 1: to the bubble last year, two limited fans this year?

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on this unique yet strange season.

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Speaker 1: It's different, and I think what I have to do,

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Speaker 1: what we have to do is I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do, but we have to

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Speaker 1: stop comparing them to us. It's hard. That's all I

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Speaker 1: know is greatness coming from Texas. All I know is

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Speaker 1: the Spurs. All I know is Magic Johnson. All I

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Speaker 1: is Kareem Will Russell. All I know is greatness. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: so sometimes when I don't see greatness and I say

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Speaker 1: I don't see greatness, they think we're hating. Well, I

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Speaker 1: thought the definition of hate was somebody that can't do it,

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Speaker 1: somebody that ain't doing that. None of them guys ain't

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Speaker 1: ain't doing anything that we ain't done, see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So I just tried to actually I tried to do

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Speaker 1: the same thing that that they did us. I mean,

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Speaker 1: when I first got to l I was putting them numbers,

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Speaker 1: Utah over here, so somebody hate. Kareem was like, hey man,

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Speaker 1: Shack probably one of the best Laker big man ever.

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Speaker 1: And Kareem said he ain't winning US. So with him

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Speaker 1: having G fourteen classification, I can't say nothing back. I

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Speaker 1: and the same thing I did with young fella, man,

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Speaker 1: you ain't that good, and he'd go, he'd be like, okay,

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Speaker 1: call from the guy mother baby, he's somebody like but this, look,

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Speaker 1: this is all I know. This is really So when

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Speaker 1: I went at Donovan, and I kind of felt sorry

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Speaker 1: just testing his temperature. Knew that. Yeah, So like when

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Speaker 1: I said, man, I don't think you got what it take.

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Speaker 1: I want him to be like, Okay, oh man, watch this,

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Speaker 1: but he's doing that. He's showing us now that that

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Speaker 1: so exactly what I wanted. But of course at the Internet,

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Speaker 1: oh he taken it too far to that. But what

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Speaker 1: I was saying was, you can be good, but when

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Speaker 1: it comes time, the playoff time, you gotta get to

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Speaker 1: next that next level. We all had to go through it, y'all.

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Speaker 1: Remember I was out thirty, we get swept by the Spurs,

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Speaker 1: and you talk, I wasn't good enough yet. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: good enough yet. So that's it was. It was a

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Speaker 1: the fact that big guys are starting to emerge back up.

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Speaker 1: I like Joker m Problem and this league. Now the

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Speaker 1: wherey'all that and I love that Like Steph Kurry, he

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Speaker 1: but he my favorite player and he my favorite practice.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen that like that before closet. The things

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Speaker 1: say Steps my favorite player, he really is because the

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Speaker 1: guy that was from here worked his way to the

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Speaker 1: time and did it the right way, didn't team up

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Speaker 1: you know, always tell big guys just because you can shoot,

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Speaker 1: I know you're all the great players, but I'm not

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Speaker 1: all right, So you know what. So that's just the

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Speaker 1: take it personal. But you should know. And this thing

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Speaker 1: of IRUs. If you guys play well, everybody get paid, everybody.

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Speaker 1: So if I'm giving you answers to the tests, hopefully

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Speaker 1: That's why I gotta that's what we do. Yeah, not

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Speaker 1: Before we even got on air, you were talking about

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Speaker 1: a situation with your older son. We had a chance.

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Speaker 1: He's standing in the corner when he should have dove

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Speaker 1: back in the day. But now that's what the game is,

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Speaker 1: and that's kind of a Steph Curry effect. Talked to us.

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry is messing the game up. I'm on the

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Speaker 1: internet now I see a bunch of little kids dribbling

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Speaker 1: the game. But he's doing something for them. He's giving

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Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert making two hundred. People thought I was hating.

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Speaker 1: But it's given big guys that aren't David Robinson, Tim Duncan,

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Speaker 1: Dirk Demny is giving them a chance. If you work hard,

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Speaker 1: I said this is I was sing. I said, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm about to say, he ain't worth it.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that, but you you get with, you negotiate,

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Speaker 1: and that's what it is. Well, I'm not gonna say

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't. I don't like talking about people. Bread.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad he got it. But the same thing happened

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Speaker 1: to me in high school because my my dream was

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Speaker 1: to make eight millions for ten years. That's my dream

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Speaker 1: going up to San Antonio's. One day my father came

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Speaker 1: Keep your hands up. We're going to the game. So

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Speaker 1: we go to the Spurs game. We at the top.

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Speaker 1: drop step, pump, fake and dump on me, embarrassed me,

422
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: legs all out everybody, that's Jim going crazy. I got

423
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: that from him, so he would do it to me.

424
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: I was trying to do it to him. But we

425
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,479
Speaker 1: go back and forth every day. Then when he failed

426
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: out being that, I was trying to go at him.

427
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: Already had all that. Then when it was my turn

428
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: to step up, I did that. And then when I

429
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: got to the pro same thing. You know, Robinson used

430
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: to kill me Uli Jouan Rick smits like all these

431
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: dudes just to kill me. And I had to had

432
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: to learn. I had to learn. I had to learn.

433
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: I had to learn. I had to develop my own

434
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: technique like I wish I could have did with guarding

435
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 1: that and Duncan did faced up and do it. I

436
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: got all that, but I had trying to do that.

437
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: The double and triple is coming, so I had to jump,

438
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 1: throw it out, clear the land and get it and

439
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: go quick. So but listen, it was fun. I was

440
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: on the mission. I was always on the mission for

441
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 1: a guy that who said there was terrible. I wanted

442
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: to be known as one of the greatest players ever.

443
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: And even though I would validate myself, I never believed

444
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: until other people validate. Like you know, when you you're

445
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: playing in the T and T games, you hear Ernie

446
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: Stephen in direction from the court, differ like Matt bon Like,

447
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: it's different, So you know you get you get earning

448
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: them guy As to say your name, and Dick Ye

449
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: till Tell and Bill Roffery and all those guys to

450
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: say your name. They started believe in and I started

451
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: believing it. Yeah, And then you had the money game

452
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: of that I'm trying to get that bread, trying to

453
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 1: get that bread. Like when I was like being the

454
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: first pick, I think it was either Larry or Derek

455
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: went before me. They got a nice thing, and I

456
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: learned the college negotiation. You started high. So when I

457
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: first came to them, I was I don't want eighty.

458
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: I told my guy won eighties, I can't get you

459
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 1: any I can play get your forty take forty. So

460
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: then we were one of the first ones to sign

461
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: a seven year deal, but with the option up the

462
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: three after that, so I'm you gotta so if you

463
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: ever sween you one this year, you got to go

464
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 1: to four. So I'm already knowing that. So there got

465
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: some people start talking to a hundred millions. So that

466
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: was a motivation. Being great was the motivation. And just

467
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: playing and competing with a motivation because I ain't gonna lie.

468
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: I was terrified of David Robinson and Patrick my rookie

469
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: terif because they had they because they had it all.

470
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: But now when I'm in the game and you would

471
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: go to the turnaround and I'm right there, I'm like,

472
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: oh ship, he's human. And then don't let me block one, well,

473
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: don't let me dunk on you. Then all that, you know,

474
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: all that fear is gone something David Robinson, the way

475
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 1: he ran and all the people like I was terrified

476
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: those guys. But at some point, the student must kill

477
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: the teacher to become the master, and that's all I

478
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: wanted to do. Let's go back to coming out of

479
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: high school. What other colleges was recruiting besides that University

480
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: of Texas, Tom Penders, North Carolina, North Carolina State in Illinois.

481
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: But I'm sort of like you and Matt I'm a

482
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: mama's boy. I had to be closer to career. And

483
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: the fact that and the fact that Dale Brown offered

484
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: me a scholarship before I became the shock, that mental lot,

485
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: that mental lot. He saw something you didn't see. Yeah,

486
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 1: and they shut me up at the football game too.

487
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you how they did me. So when

488
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: I first get there's a whole bunch of dudes, so

489
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, if you want, this guy seven ft one

490
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: l s HU from San Antonio of l s U

491
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: makes a note, so they put the spotlight on me.

492
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: I turned around nothing but man, yeah, man, the gray

493
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: and the blue out Like, damn man, I'm about to

494
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: sid that right now. That yeah, I was like, man, yeah,

495
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: I sign it. Yea, What was I mean? Obviously we'll

496
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: get to the jump in the NBA. But what was

497
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: college basketball like back then? Because it was people weren't

498
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: coming straight from high school. People are going to pay

499
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: their dudes in college. You had to pay your dudes

500
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,959
Speaker 1: as dumb as you ended up being. What was that

501
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: era of college basketball life. I'm glad I had experience

502
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: of not being the man, because when I went to college,

503
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: I was a man. But the first thing I got.

504
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: There was a rude awakening. I couldn't get no girls,

505
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: couldn't get in the club. I had to wait in

506
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 1: line at the lunch room. Nobody knew who else. So

507
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,479
Speaker 1: now I'm just sitting back. Don't think about me, as

508
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: I'm a great observer. So it was Chris Jackson, Stanley Roberts,

509
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: and we had a quarterback forgot his name was Toy something.

510
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: But the dudes are like god on campus. I just

511
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: sit back and watch him. Don't be like that's gonna

512
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: be me one day. So you know, you just have

513
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: to You just have to work your way up. I

514
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: didn't start my freshman year, you know, I got some

515
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: pt but I just learned the game, you know. I

516
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: learned that the doubles coming, I learned where to make

517
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: the passes at. I learned how to make an impact,

518
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: and I learned how to put on the show. I

519
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: had a bunch of dudes, four or five, my friends,

520
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: my tutors. I made some T shirts, shack pack. I said, yo,

521
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: let just sit up here. Anytime I do something, go crazy.

522
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: It was already just yeah, just just go crazy, rebound,

523
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: dump block, just do it. So yes, so now you

524
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: see ten kids, and I see twin kids and now

525
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: you see thirty kids. So but it was different. And

526
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: then I realized that even though you're good and great,

527
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: it's always somebody better. Like I was the man in

528
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: the West, but that Tim Dunston wasn't. They're saying, y'all

529
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: be like all them day we all got something. So

530
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: we go up against Duke Christian later tell me a

531
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: new one, and then dig tell him starts saying his name,

532
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: and now I'm mad. Now I know I got work

533
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: to do, So I'm jump hooking it every night, going

534
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: to the gym. Y'all go on the club. Now I'm

535
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: gonna I'm trying to get this first pick now and

536
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: now only saying I need the first pick? What is Alonzo? Dude?

537
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: Now y'all got me at three? Oh hell? So now

538
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: I'm working out every day. We played Duke one more time.

539
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: I showed him who I am and we still lose,

540
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: but show him, which you know, puts me back at

541
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: the top. But look, I like being challenged. It just

542
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: I think it makes you the person and coming from

543
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: where were coming from. And I've been on both of

544
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: y'all since your first come in Langue. We don't back

545
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: down all ever, even if we know we can't do it,

546
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: we're still don't back down. I think that's what makes

547
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: us all great. That's when I try to beat, you know,

548
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: and still in these youngsters. But I think they got

549
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: it too easy. It's different. Yeah, it wasn't that that

550
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: that that struggle, that ground we had. I remember the

551
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: first time we met um. Actually you guys my freshman

552
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: UCL with the lockout, so you and Cob used to

553
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: come to use heal again we saw you. But I

554
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: remember when I worked out for the Lakers. The small

555
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: fir comes out the back and tights, shower shoes, no shirt,

556
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: nipple rings. Just give me a big old hug. I'm like,

557
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Nipple rings? Bro? I don't don't think

558
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm freaky like that. I did lose the nipple rock.

559
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: So you end up being the first pick in Orlando,

560
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, New Expansion. What was that experience? Like, I

561
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: learned how to become arrogant m m, but professional arrogance.

562
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: It's important because growing up I never talked back to

563
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: my father, high school coach or college coach. You got

564
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: a pad, I gotta tell you the story. Hand me

565
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: that why ain't got in there. It's just so you know,

566
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: I'm nice and respectable. I'm trying to do things the

567
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: right way. But these guys in my ear, man, it's

568
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: your team and you gotta take over. These these guys

569
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: are hey man, it's your team. Forget all that we

570
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: we it's your team. So I'm like, na. So one day,

571
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: Jerry Reynolds Iceman in the shoot around, we're playing against

572
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: Dale Ellis and Maddie Gookas was like, hey man, they're

573
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: gonna run to these plays for the LAS. You gotta

574
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: go over the screen. So the first three players, Jerry

575
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: go under the screen. So we call the time out,

576
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: and man, he was like, goddamnit, Jerry go on that.

577
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: So this is the first time I seen him play

578
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: talk back. I've never seen that before. It's the first

579
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: time I se him play talk back. Jerry knows, go

580
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: funk that ship, call some place for me too, you know.

581
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: Then Maddie did it, and then he was like, see,

582
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: so that's how you gotta be. So that that's when

583
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: I that's when I kind of started that, I kind

584
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: of started serving myself. So my first power moments, my

585
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: first power moves. After we lose I'm in l A

586
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: same day we lose. On the Sunday, I'm in l A.

587
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: So I'm shooting the movie Blue Chips, and they I said,

588
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: you gotta make me a court so I can work

589
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: out the skinny kid is motherfucker diamond me up like matching.

590
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: I don't know who he is because you know, man,

591
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: I don't be paying attention to you don't care. So

592
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking, here, actor. So finally I see him.

593
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: Who's this? They said, yoh man, that's Penny Hardaway. I said,

594
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: he actor. He said, now you know that. You know

595
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: they think he's gonna be a number two and number

596
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: three pick. And I'm like that. So I got this

597
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 1: in my head. So my first major move was when

598
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: when I found out we got the ball. Hey, man, yeah,

599
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: I don't get this, Penny, dude, I'm gonna be looking

600
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: to do something else, just to try. For the first

601
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: time I was ever arrogant, first time I ever talked back.

602
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: So now we shoot the move whatever. So the draft comes,

603
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: they draft Sea Webb. Now piss, I'm tearing my house up,

604
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: breaking mirrors, breaking trophies, and then they do it, they

605
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: do the switch. I'm like, man, this guy was right.

606
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: It works. So the second big move, hey man, give

607
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: me a horse. I don't know. If you're gonnafall hoard

608
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: you don't get horse, I'm gonna be looking to do

609
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: something else after my deal. So now I'm learning how

610
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: to I'm learning how to maneuver because you know, they're

611
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: saying it's your team, so we all know. If it's

612
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: my team and it don't go right, I'm getting blong.

613
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: So if I'm gonna get all the blame, I'm gonna

614
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: make sure I'm totally in control. So that was what

615
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: I learned about being a professional, because like, look, I'm

616
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: my father used tell you something back in my father

617
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: you're getting touched up, push ups, sit ups, and the

618
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: damn Superman's on your elbows, and you gotta sit on

619
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: the wall, and you gotta sit on the wall with

620
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: some dictionaries like this, and if you move you get

621
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: three paddles. So I went into like talking back. But

622
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: once I figured out how to do that, I was like, Okay,

623
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: this is how this this works. Yes, it is what

624
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: is your welcome to the NBA moment, My welcome to

625
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: the NBA moment. It is different because it's not about

626
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: the game. My welcome to the NBA moment was when

627
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: I first got to the Lando. I already got into

628
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: my head. I need my family with me. So my mother,

629
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: she don't want to take nothing from it. So we

630
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this big house and I already bought

631
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: the house. So I'm looking at the big house and

632
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I told him mysel I'm gonna

633
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: get my house first. I'm gonna take care of y'all.

634
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: But I was doing the opposite. So we're looking at

635
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: this big house and she's like, I like it. Five bedrooms, tends,

636
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: it's cool. Hand of the keys and watch them tears.

637
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: That's my welcome to the NBA, because you know, riding

638
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: around in Texas, I used to ride around San Antonio

639
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: just looking like, damn, look how they live and look

640
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: how we live. That's what I want. So that was

641
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: my moment right there, just being able to buy my

642
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: mom and dad a house, brothers and sisters, and then

643
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: you know, take my dad to the dealership. I just

644
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: got that black on black six. What you want, the

645
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: same thing you want? So that was my bike to

646
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: the NBA. MoMA. I already knew I was gonna do well,

647
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: I gotta do well. But I didn't know that I

648
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: was as close to the greats that early. Like I said,

649
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: I was terrified of Ewing and Robinson. But if I'm

650
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: right there on your shot, all I gotta do is, yeah,

651
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: all I gotta do is make some of justice before

652
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: I get it. And then I'm bumping you back and you, uh, yeah,

653
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,959
Speaker 1: I got you, And I'm close to the rim like that,

654
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: and all I gotta do is term and throw it

655
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: down you so mercy. But you know, it took me

656
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: a while to get there, but look, it was fun.

657
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: It was something that we always wanted to do. Get there. Yeah,

658
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm there. I gotta represent my family and I gotta

659
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: represent myself and I gotta look for challenges that's gonna

660
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 1: make me great. M You were able to improve Orlando

661
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: by twenty games your first year, and one of the

662
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 1: reasons why I look at you so high as far

663
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: as all time players and then all time big men,

664
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: is because you played in a real era where there

665
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: was a bunch of big men, you know what I mean.

666
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: And it's all due respect to Bill and and to

667
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: to Will, but there wasn't very many considered night and

668
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: night out you faced a dominant big man. Who are

669
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: some of the ones that really gave you problems early on?

670
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: The ones that I didn't respect enough. I always told me,

671
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: Big Country, I always killed me. Rick Smith's always killed me,

672
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: Duck or if I always killed me, Bill Winnington always

673
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: killed me. Who's the guy to play with? You all

674
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: disperse for per due, Well, I wouldn't produce who it was.

675
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: I just have to smoke so much weed, said Malik

676
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: Rose and David I just hate my link gross he

677
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: was in nuisance. But they're just like so which which

678
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: also told me, you gotta respect your opponent. Like I

679
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: know I'm better, but look, we all come out here

680
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: to play a game, so you know, when it comes

681
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: time to playoffs situation, I would turn and switch on.

682
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: But like doing the regular say, especially like if you're

683
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: in certain cities. Listen, Dallas, I wasn't gonna do nothing. Toronto,

684
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna do nothing, Miami. I wanted to do

685
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: nothing in New York. I was gonna do nothing. Two

686
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: times in the first quarter anyway, And I could remember

687
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: me posting him in the game and COVID, no, you

688
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: ain't ready. Well well, yeah, well the funniest of the funniest.

689
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: That was big Shot Bob. He was doing for the game.

690
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing nothing up Shot Bob breaking back boards

691
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: and this and signs bringing the breaking the backboards like

692
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: talk about that. It was all being mad at my dad. Crazy, Yeah, crazy,

693
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: I mean, motherfucker's were breaking broken backboard. It happened for

694
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: but you were bringing down the whole because I knew

695
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: if you, if I dunk hard, I got your attention.

696
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: That scared me. Watching I was a little that she

697
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: needs to scare me, Like I got your attention. That's

698
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: if you're really big and strong and I go through

699
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: and I got your attention, it's gonna be easier for

700
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: me the rest of my career. So I just wanted

701
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: to like really really get your attention. And I know

702
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: it was gonna show it on ESPN and no other

703
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: big I was doing that, like I had to take

704
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: pride and being different. Another thing I was trying to

705
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: do was get these commercial endorsements. There wasn't no big

706
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: guys doing that right now. I took a college course

707
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: a l s U and marketing, and the guy was like, hey,

708
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: present on something that you could see in the future.

709
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: So I came with the shock shoes, the same thing

710
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm doing that shock underwear, shack T shirts. And the

711
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: guy says, big guys don't sell mr. I was like,

712
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: he's right, because the only guys that were doing commercially

713
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: there was Magic Johnson Library and made me Mike right.

714
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, I gotta do something different.

715
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: So I was I was doing whatever it take to

716
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: get on that Da Nada and then once they see

717
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: me there, then I would just show my don't show

718
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: my personality. You've always been big on the business of basketball,

719
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: probably the biggest to ever do it. To be honest

720
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: with you, but what was that first experience like with

721
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: Blue Chips as an actor, the pickup games of scrimmages,

722
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: you found someone you thought was an actor who ended

723
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: up being Penny Hardaway. What was all that like? That

724
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: was about taking advantage of opportunities we don't We don't

725
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: get those opportunities, and I never look, I never wanted

726
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: to be an actor. I never wanted to be a rapper.

727
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: When I'm sitting in the Fourth Seasons hotel, the guy say, hey, man,

728
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: my Hollywood producer, here's my card doing a movie called

729
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: Blue chips. I think you should do it now. I'm

730
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: not a good I don't know. I've never acted in

731
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: my life. You gotta do is play basketball, play yourself. Nah,

732
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna get you three million? How much? I don't

733
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: do it? So just playing, you know. And that's how

734
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 1: I met Penny. You know, everything happens for a reason.

735
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: The same thing with the rap thing when I first

736
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: get drafted, sitting your hoss bucking me, you know, maybe

737
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: want you to be on the show. I don't want

738
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: to be like everybody else. I don't want to go

739
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: get No. Fifteen out of suit talking. And I said,

740
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: let me do that and then let me wrap that

741
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: the end. So I did something with fush Nikins. My

742
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: Asian Coleman said me, you're not gonna believe this. Said

743
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: what he said? Drive off of your three album deal

744
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: ten me. I'm taking that? Why none? Yeah. But then

745
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: but then I meet with Job. I said, look, nobody

746
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: wants to hit me wrap on myself. Let me wrap

747
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: it on my favorite. So as a kid that was

748
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: on punishment, it's like a dream come true. Look I

749
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: know him dead Snoop, Peter Guns, Lord Rick Nas, jay Z,

750
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: fat Jo like I don't. Yes, you can't stop to rain.

751
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: That's what it was about for It ain't about being

752
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 1: like because you know rappers, rappers don't make no money.

753
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta be Travis Scott to make money. Yeah,

754
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: like because I went platinum and I gotta check for

755
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: me and I was I was like, what is this?

756
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: But you know I had the commitments on platinum only one.

757
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: It was fun. So you know, we don't get a

758
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: lot of opportunities. I was always talked to take advantage

759
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: of my opportunity. So every time I get an opportunity,

760
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm always taking advantage of periods. Run because shut the

761
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: Boston Garden down, beat the Bulls, pas her Battle and

762
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: then you run into a team in them in the finals.

763
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: That was my fault. We lost. You say that because

764
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: as a leader, I didn't lead. After we beat the Bulls,

765
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: I let up Mike. We straight. We didn't play in

766
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: the Houston before. I think it was one on one

767
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: on you know, even the King gonna get thirty, I'm

768
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: gonna get twenty seven. Right and off the record, we

769
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: had eight days off. Me and the Scott were doing stuff.

770
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: We weren't post. Yeah, they had they had like a

771
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: little parade and all that we were just celebrating. So

772
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: it taught me that would celebrate too early. And then

773
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: when we get in the game, we hang out with

774
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: him and then it just you know Nick, and you know,

775
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: I can't blame it on Nick. My fault because I

776
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: didn't get the guys ready. But Nick misses the free thos,

777
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: we go down over one second game, we go down,

778
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 1: oh two, we go to Houston, we know we don't

779
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: have a shot, so we get swept. But it just

780
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: taught me never to celebrate you early and then also

781
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: put that hunger. I mean, I said, okay, if I

782
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: ever get back to the finals ever again, I got

783
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: to dominate forties. Forget that every time, I gotta be

784
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: in the forties. And that's how when we made to

785
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: the finals, I was trying to put up big numbers

786
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: because if we don't win, it's gonna be my fault.

787
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: And as a leader, I accept that. I went that.

788
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: I once you said, shock ain't ship, that's why they lost,

789
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: it's his fault. I accept all those challenges because that's

790
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: how it was for me as a youngster growing up

791
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: with a drill sergeant father. If you woke with your

792
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters in school. Then your brother come back

793
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: when his shirt messed up because he got jumped. That's

794
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: your phone and I'm whooping your ass handles on right,

795
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: no question. So it just taught me never to celebrate

796
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: too early. Obviously a cool run, but don't get what

797
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: you set out to do, which was win the championship. Orlando,

798
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: you make a jump to l A. How did that

799
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: move not only benefit basketball wise, but change your life

800
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: off the court as well. It was a hundred million

801
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: dollar talk and I made forty the first time, and

802
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: I said to myself, I'm gonna going off and tell

803
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: him I want one, just to see. So they had

804
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: it in their mind that no guys were rough a

805
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: hundred millions. And I was actually getting ready to sign.

806
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: We were here during Olympics. I was getting ready to

807
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: sign for four yet ready signed to Orlando, but my

808
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: agent told me, hold up, give me one more day.

809
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: So me and money Mark we're in Magic City and

810
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: my Asian called me and said, hey, man, come to

811
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: the Omni Hotel. Got something for you. So we get

812
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: to the Omni Hotel. Jerry West is in the Vasacchi housecoat.

813
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: Come on up, big fella that comes like, how you on?

814
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: Mr West? He said, I got some good news, we

815
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: got some bad news. I said, what's the bad news?

816
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: He said, I can't get you that one fifty that

817
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: chance for but I can get you one twenty. And

818
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: then I told my agent, I said, did you give

819
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: Orlando a chance to come? They don't want to. Kind

820
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: of cool, So I'm signing nobody now family then no,

821
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: Penny ain't no. Next day, in practice it broke. I

822
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: was comfortable with l A because after we lost, I

823
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: was already in l A. And then there was a

824
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: chance for me to stuff. Yeah, do so and they

825
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: had a nice team. The next it was cold Eddie

826
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: Jones and day they're probably gonna take some murder that

827
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: had a nice day. But I can remember this vividly.

828
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm signing as soon as I get signed. Mr West said,

829
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: a man, I just moved, Vlady. I don't know how

830
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: I got this kid. I got a kid and the

831
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant, you and him, we're gonna get multiple championships.

832
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, okay, whatever, because I'm looking at

833
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 1: all the well, yeah, he said that like he saw

834
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: something Kobe and nobody saw. And then in In an interview,

835
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 1: Kobe reminded me that he came to Orlando to see Penny,

836
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: and Penny kind of blew him off and he had

837
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: a sad look on his face and I grabbed him,

838
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: was like, come on, man, I take a picture. I

839
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: never knew that was him. Yeah, I never knew that

840
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: was him until he told me. You know, when we

841
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: did that T and two and everything, he said, you

842
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: don't remember meeting me. He never told me that. Like,

843
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: you know, through all the years that we played in there,

844
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: he never told me that story. I didn't know that

845
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: you I did. You and co connect y'all robbed at

846
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: the same time. He was a guy that wanted it

847
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: right away. And we all understand pecking order. My team

848
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: I ain't about to happen. But I saw that he

849
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: had something in him and he wanted it right away.

850
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: A lot of guys don't have that when they come in.

851
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: A lot of guys just like to go through the road.

852
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: But he wanted, he wanted it, He wanted, he wanted

853
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: and wanted it. So it's rookie. Yeah, we let him

854
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: do what he does. Make his mistakes, but the defining

855
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: moment and his greatness was we were playing Utah. Nobody

856
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: wanted to take the last shots. I'm not taking the

857
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: last shot, shooting four percent for the free throw. Y'all

858
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be talking about me the shot class game.

859
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: So he takes three shots to eil boss. If you

860
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: can remember, and I hope you can show this clip,

861
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: I was the one to grab him. I don't worry

862
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: about it. One day people are gonna fear you. And

863
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: the next year he come in and becoming a little more.

864
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: He wanted it, he wanted it, he wanted it, he

865
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: wanted it, he wanted it. And this is where I

866
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: wish I was a little bit more tactful. Egos getting

867
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: away that word my team will mess you up, right,

868
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: especially from big guy giving up to a little guy.

869
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't play that ship, so instead of But unfortunately

870
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: it still worked out. We still one three out of four.

871
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: But a lot of necessary stuff that shouldn't have happened

872
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 1: happened because of the ego, and it was probably my fault.

873
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: But one thing I never do is I never disrespect nobody.

874
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: I ain't gotta like you a you gotta do what

875
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: you do. But if you open in the corner mat

876
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: even if we had to fight the other day. I

877
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: know you're gonna not that down for I'm killing it.

878
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: So you know, even though we didn't hang out or

879
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 1: do anything of that, I'm always looking for him first,

880
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: and he's always looking for me when he go into

881
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: the hole to get done with it and he dropping off.

882
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 1: So I think that will help us. And always tell

883
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: people that in relationships, you know, when you focus on

884
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: the tasks, sometimes the relationship dwindles. But you always gotta

885
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: have respect. You've always gotta have respect. I'm anxout to

886
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: know how those how those Spurs teams were, did you guys? Ever? Yeah,

887
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: the only person that got in the fight was man

888
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: Pop every time he took me out the game when

889
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: I want to come out, you know what I mean,

890
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: like tim and and never none of that. That's that's

891
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: probably the first time I'm hearing of a dynasty that

892
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: never had no problems. All the other dynasties had problems.

893
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: There are problems because you know, you get egos involved.

894
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: But I knew that he had it, and I remember

895
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: him at eighteen years old telling me he's gonna be

896
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: the Will Smith of the NBA. Like slow down, young fellow.

897
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: But he had a dream, he had a vision. Yeah,

898
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: he did have a dream. He had a vision, and

899
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: look he went for being forty nine year old Scheck

900
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: looking back on those Laker days, he said he won

901
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: three out of four. He said, you probably caused was

902
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: some of the ego. If if you had the wisdom

903
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: you have now back then, how many championships you feel

904
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: like you guys could have won seventh? Because the reason

905
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: why I got traded it wasn't about me and Kobe

906
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: beefs what they wanted me to take less money? Not

907
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: doing that? Coach said, at least ten. We asked him,

908
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: he said, at least team if it wasn't for the Spurs.

909
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: That's true. But I got money. I had money. I

910
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: just should have been like, all right, I raised you enough,

911
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: it's your team. Now, I know what I'm gonna do.

912
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna do ten. But I was like, nah,

913
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: I want I want one fifty. I don't care what

914
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: you like. If I had all over do again, I

915
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: probably would have had a meeting with the family, which

916
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: I wonder, let me take less money, take a less role,

917
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: stay here, or you were still want me to be shocked.

918
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: Here's that ego and the ego still got me what

919
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: I want. I should have went to Miami patri Care mean,

920
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: I still won one, but I would have liked to

921
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: have stayed there the rest of my career. Imagine that.

922
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: So three championships, three finals, MVP you spoke to if

923
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: you ever got to the finals, he's gonna dominate. You

924
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: did that off the South Beach. What's that experience like

925
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: with a young d Way? So when I got to

926
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: d Wade, I was like, I know you heard all

927
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: the stories. Share a team. Well I should have did

928
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: in l am now what I'm thinking about it, So

929
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 1: we ain't have any problem. You're the man, You're the CEO.

930
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: I'll be the consultant. But imagine that. Is it a

931
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: young V Wade here and this motherfucker's team, but it's

932
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: your team. It's crazy. I didn't. I didn't. It's not

933
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: that I don't pay attention to guys. I just don't care.

934
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: I got my home. I didn't even know who he was.

935
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: So while we're in the playoffs, I'm watching him go

936
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: at Baron Davis. I'm night, who is this? So then

937
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: when the Lakers talking about playing with me, I said,

938
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 1: I know where I want to go go back and forth. Yeah,

939
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: I want to go play with him. So as soon

940
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: they got to the first day, I said, look, man,

941
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: you heard this, You heard that. Me and you ain't

942
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: gonna have a problem. You know, man, take as many

943
00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: shots as you wanting you to make everybody feel good,

944
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: think myself feel good. So but just and we never

945
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: had problems. So how do you talk about the spurs.

946
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: I've had problem. We never had an altercation. The only

947
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: time we had an altercation was when I had to

948
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 1: check everybody during the finals that year. Does everybody waiting

949
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: into the final were already in the final versus Dollars

950
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: when we went down a little too and everybody waiting like, yeah,

951
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: what you're waiting for? I got three dudes on me

952
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: when I kicked Posy flat like, so then we, you know,

953
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: and the respect thing. We were able to go on

954
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: the meeting and go at each other and it just

955
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: surned around flat that I got four people on me

956
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: though everybody folks on me. We're gonna use that though

957
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 1: to me when they come, I'm gonna can't do something

958
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: where I get the rebad This seriason about just throwing

959
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: to me doing all that I ain't doing nothing right now.

960
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: I'm old, I ain't doing it right now. But you know,

961
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: every Johnson still worried about me, We're gonna use that.

962
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: I kick it back out and go to work. So

963
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: you know, we had one of the fight, one of

964
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: the argument and was able, you know, decor, and then

965
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: again Ego kicked in me and Pat got into him,

966
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: and that's how I ended up in Phoenix. So you

967
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: get a championship there, you end up in Phoenix. One

968
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: thing I liked about you where obviously there was no

969
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: question once you were on the court, you were the

970
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,959
Speaker 1: most dominant motherfucker. But me and you d were talking,

971
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: we just how U d two weeks ago. You had

972
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: a way of keeping the locker room energy light. And

973
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: I think that's so important because you can't always be

974
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: motherfucker like. Sometimes you have to laugh and joke and

975
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: you were the king at that And where did that

976
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: come from? It just you know, being a leader all

977
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: those years, you gotta keep people together. One thing I

978
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: like about him if you do something in front of him,

979
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: he ain't gonna say nothing. So one day we're in

980
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: the locker room, go, what isn't that going Judgic going

981
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: drudge and keep talking. Yeo, man, shut up. He just

982
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: keep talking. So I get behind him, put him in

983
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: one of the UFC things. Yeah, he falls to the ground.

984
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: It's me. It's me and Matt there not take his

985
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: gatorady walk out. They asked what happened? Mess? I see

986
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: but I told him, I said, he man, we got

987
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: a game. Stop talking. Oh you're not gonna do nothing,

988
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: you old, I said quick too, was like, yeah, yeah,

989
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: you came in like what happened? Man, I don't know

990
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: what happened, but but it was that I even had

991
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: had a respect. But it's always my job as a

992
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: leader to keep everybody loose. You know. Kobe spoke to

993
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 1: that too, because he said he learned how to you

994
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: did that and put it in his own way because

995
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 1: he didn't understand that when he played with you, Because

996
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta keep everybody loose. Like you guys

997
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: are shoot us and shoot us go on the slumps.

998
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: But I can't. I can't. I can't come down on

999
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: your shoes. So I gotta I gotta make you laugh.

1000
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: I gotta come to your house. I gotta ask you

1001
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: how your mama doing. I gotta come to your kids

1002
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: part Like we just gotta do all that the whole fan.

1003
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: The twins are babies, he'd be twins when they were

1004
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: just all along them, you know what I mean? A

1005
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: little tiny thing, one thing, Like I said, I don't

1006
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about this, and we can

1007
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: go into it if you want to talk about it.

1008
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: The little back and forth war between you and Lou

1009
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: Walmington and man, what you did? You shoot around them

1010
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: one day? You put some in your tights this nigger

1011
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: put so him and Lou Walmson are going back and forth.

1012
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: This motherfucker put lose mouthpiece and his tights for shoot around.

1013
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: Went through the whole shoot around. He only told me

1014
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: and maybe one or two other people, but nothing. So

1015
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: this motherfucker puts lose mouthpiece and this type goes to

1016
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: shoot around with it and put quietly puts it back

1017
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: up in this thing. But by the time the game

1018
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: comes around, you must have told people because more people

1019
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: knew about us. So lout puts his motherfucking mouthpiece and

1020
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: after coach talks, so we're about the huddle and we

1021
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: just lose it because he because he did some ship

1022
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: to you though, because he broke I had a big

1023
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: gas bad and so I opened the door all the

1024
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: little white they hit this dude's bicycle. Somehow you got

1025
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: his bicycle up on the stoplight, at the top of

1026
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: the stoplight, his bike because you used to try to bike.

1027
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: I know some people, right, You got a chance obviously

1028
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: to play you being as great as you were. You

1029
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: got a chance to play with Code, You got a

1030
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: chance to play with the Wade, Nash Lebron, Paul Pierce KG.

1031
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: What was that experience like? Obviously you being great, but

1032
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: then you know, playing with those guys, some of them,

1033
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: some of them in your prime and then later on

1034
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: in your career. I realized early that you could never

1035
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: do it by yourself. How good you are. I realized

1036
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: from also watching the other grades, there's two or three

1037
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: grades on the court at the same time. My favorite

1038
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: team going over with the Lakers, Kareen magic Worthy Coop

1039
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: knowing what he do. So I always knew I needed

1040
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 1: somebody else of that caliber. So whenever I got traded,

1041
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to go somewhere where why I could win

1042
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: and when I can help somebody else win. I wish

1043
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: I would have got to you in Phoenix two years

1044
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: because at that time and ages ages of months, I

1045
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: just didn't have it. Eventually I had it. But you remember,

1046
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: just like if Nellie and then wasn't doing that treatment,

1047
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 1: I probably him when two years earlier. But with my process,

1048
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: our process was fine. I had a great time doing it.

1049
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: I could say I did it my way. I could

1050
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: say guy from New Jersey, from Germany, from Texas put

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00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: his name on the map. Guy represents the culture the hood.

1052
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: And I want all the little kids, especially the big kids,

1053
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: to look at me and see how I did it,

1054
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: and cheat off my test. Look at Rudy Gobert, see

1055
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: how he did it and cheat she off his time.

1056
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 1: I tell my son all the time, Yo, man two

1057
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: hunted two. That's right there, that's your money, and you're

1058
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: standing in the corner talking about your guy. Are not

1059
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: gonna pass? Go get it two bro. I wish I

1060
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: was seventeen right now, me too. I wish I could

1061
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 1: said to y'all, y'all wouldn't see me on those social

1062
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: media I just pop out of the man. Who's this kid? Man?

1063
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: Who this kid? From seven? I'll just be working as

1064
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: players like you spoke on early when you hear certain

1065
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: people talk about you as that shit, okay, tnc the

1066
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: postgame crew is that for us as players? What was

1067
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: it like, you know, to transition into that and being

1068
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: a focal point with that team. It came a year

1069
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: too early because when I left you, I had a

1070
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: two year deal with Boston. I wanted the shack to her.

1071
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: I wanted it, but the Achilles came out. I wasn't

1072
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: gonna even try and come back. I was just gonna

1073
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: take a year of travel. And then they come to

1074
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: the house and say, hey, man, we want to hire you.

1075
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: And I'm like, fine, So I'm trying to be like

1076
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: Brian Gum, but I'm terrible awful. And then you know,

1077
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: Charles gonna take up the whole second by talking. I

1078
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: only get a few sentences, right. So then the guy

1079
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: used to pitch you off because he used to say

1080
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: it on the air, like damn, mother, are you talking

1081
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,919
Speaker 1: to us? But then the guy came in and said,

1082
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: I said, man, we didn't bring it in for that.

1083
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: He wants you to be shock, so okay. So once

1084
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: I started doing that, it's better. And you know a

1085
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: good thing about that show is they allow us to

1086
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: be ourselves. And I think from a basketball standpoint, we

1087
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: have a lot of experience. You know, the fans know that.

1088
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: You know, you got two Hall of Famers up there,

1089
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: and you've got a guy that was a part of

1090
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: the championship team, and you've gotta earn it. So I

1091
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: think our respectability is up there. But I like watching

1092
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: all the shows. I like watching all the shows. When

1093
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: this us talking and listen other people talking. If I

1094
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: can ask you how you know, then you're not incredible,

1095
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: right I think about it. Oh, he's Steven, should have

1096
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: did this? How you know you're shooter? Yea, yea. So

1097
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: being at this US talking to you, him, Paul and

1098
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: all that that is us talking. I can respect the

1099
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: fact because I know that y'all know. Y'all know that,

1100
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: we know, so real quick before we get to the

1101
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: quicker doesn't get you out of here. You've always been

1102
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: about the business of basketball from day one, and now

1103
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: obviously it's more commonly talked about and it's something to

1104
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: strive for. When people were talking about it, that was

1105
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: always your mindset. I mean, you're on every motherfucking commercial

1106
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: of you are a part of hundreds of companies where

1107
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: that mindset come from. I'm not gonna use the word

1108
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: beat up and use discipline whenever athlete did. I'm crazy.

1109
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: I would get disciplined, athlete, lose all, lose sixty million,

1110
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: I get disciplined, touched up by the starge. My worst

1111
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: ask weapon was lit byas I don't even know who

1112
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: linn by as well us. My father came in, face

1113
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: full of cheers. If you ever do cool, IM gonna

1114
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: kill you. So my my dumbas is like, Bro, I

1115
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: don't mess with coke. I'm missing PEPSI That's what I said.

1116
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: Motherfucker ain't talking about that because he made me sit

1117
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: down and watch it. That's what I never did drunk, right,

1118
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: That's why I don't do nothing that. I don't do nothing.

1119
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: What I'm saying that he came in, he was just right,

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00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: and then I watched the story. My damn, my man

1121
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: could have been the first pick. So whenever somebody made

1122
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: a mistake, he brings me, don't teach me. So I

1123
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: never wanted to be bro. Do you remember what you

1124
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: did for me? That's how I got I had court. Nope,

1125
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in court. I'm actually standing up. Judge walk

1126
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: in and as soon as you get ready, said, I

1127
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:12,919
Speaker 1: was like judge, hold on, hold on, Mr Jackson. Before

1128
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: we even start I got somebody want to talk to you,

1129
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: and they FaceTime you remember, and all my charges got dropped.

1130
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: I said, this motherfucker's everywhere dog. This mother just turned

1131
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: around the FaceTime and big feather and dropped my charge. Said, man,

1132
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: that's my I had. But you didn't tell me. I

1133
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: was with Max. You know what I'm saying. You did

1134
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: not tell me, and I was like, let's do it everywhere.

1135
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: You know, you have to club take care of people

1136
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: taking You always took care of me, and y'all know

1137
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: I message with y'all. I'm messing with a lot of people.

1138
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: But this dude did some things for me. Trust me,

1139
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: you did some things for me. She could have went

1140
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: all the way left, but because he is standing up

1141
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: guy and you don't see nothing, that's how I go.

1142
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: That's let it go. So I'm always had love for her,

1143
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: more has had love for you. Being from Texas, I'm

1144
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: in one time when I came to your hood, you know,

1145
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: your whole hood showed me love. So I appreciate that.

1146
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: You know, when I saw you was going through that

1147
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: minding stuff. You know, I'm in that. I'm in that world.

1148
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm in that world. Last quick Hitters first thing to

1149
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: come to mind. Your top five rappers. See, I hate

1150
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: doing this because I know all the rappers. I don't

1151
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: want them to get I don't don't want nobody get upset.

1152
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: Biggie Okay, since we're all basketball, can I do an

1153
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference in the Western Conference a little bit? Okay,

1154
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference Biggie jay z nas red Man and I'm

1155
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: gonna have to get somebody down south Jeezy Okay. On

1156
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: the West Coast, e forty Snoop ice cubeen to growing up,

1157
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 1: specially Texas. That's all we listened to. That's nice. I

1158
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: like the East Coast Top five the eastern East Coast

1159
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: was cool, though. I like that Top five current player

1160
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: current I hate doing this because they're all guards, all right,

1161
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: all right, Steph Dame Dollar, Lebron. We'll go with Joe

1162
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: like that. You know he's gonna let yeah. Top five

1163
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: dynastiest Lakers, Boston Spurs, Golden State and in the last one,

1164
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: Miami had, Miami had, Miami had looked no bulls. I'm

1165
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: tripping bull stamps. I thought, how would you rank your

1166
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: top five nicknames? Big Ariostotle number five World, Chambi Easy

1167
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: number four World Chambi easy, you know what that is?

1168
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: World chat? I forgot about that. Yeah, big would be

1169
01:02:56,160 --> 01:03:00,479
Speaker 1: three Big, Cactus would be too. Yeah, I'm a woman,

1170
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: be Godzilla Gorilla, so you don't know about that one

1171
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: Godzilla Cabrilla. If you can relive one moment from your career,

1172
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: what moment would that be and why? It'll be making

1173
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: it to the final four and winning a college ship

1174
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: may show I went on every level except college. How

1175
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: far do you guys go in the tournament? Sour thirty two?

1176
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: Five dinner guests dead are alive? You plus five people

1177
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: always just to see Tupac and we all used to

1178
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: give each other to not He'd be in it big.

1179
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: He'd be in it is doing big things that I'd

1180
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: like to chop it up at him. That's three. Four

1181
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: would be the guy who told me about business. Name

1182
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: was Roger Enrico. He was the CEO of Pepsi. And

1183
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: five would be my sisters rest pig, who would you

1184
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: like to see? All the smoke? And your answer if

1185
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:55,439
Speaker 1: you have to help us get this person on the shlf, well,

1186
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie to you, don't. I don't

1187
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: watch a lot of TV because because I'm a Netflix guy.

1188
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know who you got. I would

1189
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: like to y'all have Snoop on of course, and that

1190
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: was when our best longest. We haven't had Q yet.

1191
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: We got you coming up. Have had all of them dope. Yeah,

1192
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: so one of those. And if you ever done than Joe,

1193
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: we need to have him on. So if you have

1194
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: do another song, come in, let's do it. We Overdo

1195
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: you need to meet all the smoke to tnc on night?

1196
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: Have us come out there? Yeah, I can do that

1197
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: with that the smoke lap Man. That's a rapid. We

1198
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: appreciate your big rap, Shaquille O'Neil. You can catch us

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01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: on Showtime Basketball YouTube to the Kardashians over the catch

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01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: us our Showtime Basketball YouTube and the Heart platform Black Effects.

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01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: Well see you all next week. Appreciate your big fella.

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Speaker 1: This is all a smoke a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime