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Speaker 1: It's the inside scoop with that FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. Ken,

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on this Mackenzie Gore trade. Let's start with

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Speaker 1: the Rangers and what you think you know it does

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Speaker 1: to the twenty twenty six team and how this deal

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Speaker 1: breaks down for them. They didn't give up their tippy

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Speaker 1: top prospect in this one right.

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Speaker 2: For the Rangers, this is a move that is somewhat

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Speaker 2: surprising because it's a win now move for a team

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Speaker 2: that was intensely disappointing last season, a team that is

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Speaker 2: not able to spend a lot of money because of

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Speaker 2: the uncertainty with their TV revenue and some other factors

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Speaker 2: as well. So I don't know that anyone anticipated the

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Speaker 2: Rangers being an aggressive player, but here they are, and

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Speaker 2: this is a move that when you put Mackenzie Gore

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Speaker 2: with Jacob de Gram and some of the others in

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Speaker 2: their rotation, it starts to look like a pretty impressive group.

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Speaker 2: Nathan Valdi, the whole gang. That is where it starts

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Speaker 2: for them.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: The question with the Rangers last year was what their offense.

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Speaker 2: They did not produce offensively. They were incredibly disappointing. They're

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Speaker 2: counting on bouncebacks from a number of their younger players,

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Speaker 2: improvements from those players, and we'll see where this goes

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Speaker 2: for them. But it's a move that in their minds,

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Speaker 2: they had to make because they want to compete. Chris Young,

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Speaker 2: their president baseball operations, is incredibly competitive. He was as

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Speaker 2: a player, he is as an executive, and in their view,

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Speaker 2: they're not giving up the cream of their farm system.

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Speaker 2: I heard you mention this, Scott. It's five guys, but

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Speaker 2: as JJ Cooper just said too, it's a group that

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Speaker 2: probably lacks a carrying piece, as they call it, a headliner.

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Speaker 2: Fien is that, of course, first rounder last year, twelfth

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Speaker 2: pick overall, but he's a high school draft and Rosario, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he was extremely talented and was considered a top one

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Speaker 2: hundred guy before he got hurt, but didn't pitch last year,

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Speaker 2: and as JJ said, it's not going to pitch for

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Speaker 2: the next two seasons or at least into twenty seven

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Speaker 2: as well. So they viewed these guys as far away

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Speaker 2: from the majors. Obviously some of them could come back

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Speaker 2: to haunt them in the future, but they just didn't

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Speaker 2: see this deal as one that would preclude them from

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Speaker 2: going forward. They predicted their top prospect, the infielder Sebastian Walcott.

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Speaker 2: They like this deal, and I like it for them.

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Speaker 2: For the Nationals, yeah, I understand the quantity versus quality argument,

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Speaker 2: and certainly that is one that surfaced here among industry people.

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Speaker 2: But it's the kind of deal too that you want

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Speaker 2: to see them making, even if it's quantity, even if

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Speaker 2: they only end up with let's say, being a quality

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Speaker 2: Major leaguer and another guy being something of a contributor. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's not great for two years of Mackenzie Gore, but

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Speaker 2: Mackenzie Gore is not flaw as either, and he had

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Speaker 2: a horrible second half last year. He's had injury history,

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Speaker 2: So I get it from the Nationals perspective too.

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Speaker 3: I know it's hard to grade trades because we don't

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Speaker 3: know what anybody's gonna do. But do you feel like

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Speaker 3: the market saw mcken's gore as the All star that

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Speaker 3: he was in the first half, somebody that could have

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Speaker 3: been a top five or even top three cy young

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Speaker 3: candidate had he continued that first half, or did they

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Speaker 3: see him for what His career numbers are pretty much

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Speaker 3: an average ERA plus type of contributor to the rotation.

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Speaker 2: Eric, He's certainly a guy with a ton of upside.

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Speaker 2: We all know that at his best he is really good.

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Speaker 2: But there are performance questions, there are health questions. It's

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Speaker 2: two years of control, it's not three, and it's two

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Speaker 2: years of control with the twenty twenty seven season possibly

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Speaker 2: being compromised by a lockout. So he was valued perhaps

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Speaker 2: a little bit lower than I thought when you compare

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Speaker 2: it to Peralta. Paralta brought the Brewers, along with Tobias Myners,

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Speaker 2: the two top one hundred guys that we've talked about,

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Speaker 2: je Williams and Brandon Sprote. Okay, it's not as good

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Speaker 2: a return, and that was only one year of control

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Speaker 2: with Peralta, but Parolta has been the better pitcher. He's

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Speaker 2: also eight million night this year. I know Gore is

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Speaker 2: lower than that, but he might be higher than it

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Speaker 2: next year. So could the Nationals have done better? We

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Speaker 2: can argue this till we're blue in the face, but

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Speaker 2: we won't know for three, four or five years just

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Speaker 2: how this all turned out.

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Speaker 4: Now they get Gore. Two questions for you, do you

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Speaker 4: see them going after anybody else? And if so, what

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Speaker 4: position do you think they really need, And how do

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Speaker 4: you think they stack up now in the West with

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Speaker 4: you know, a Seattle and a Houston team that are

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Speaker 4: always going to be in the mix.

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Speaker 2: Todd, It all depends on how guys like Josh Young

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Speaker 2: and Wyatt Langford and all of these younger players emerge

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Speaker 2: for them and take the next step. If some of

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Speaker 2: them take the next step and the pitching holds together

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Speaker 2: injury free, sure they have a chance to be pretty good.

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Speaker 2: What else might they do? I would think that they're

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Speaker 2: still active looking for bullpen help. All teams are, for

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Speaker 2: the most part, and that is an area where they've

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Speaker 2: taken some hits, taken some defections. So obviously I don't

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Speaker 2: know that I see them at the level of Seattle,

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Speaker 2: and I do expect Seattle to make one big move

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Speaker 2: before this spring begins. But the Rangers are better than

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Speaker 2: they worry yesterday, and it's a trade that it was

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Speaker 2: impressive because, again Todd, I did not necessarily see them

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Speaker 2: doing anything big this offseason. It seemed like they're one

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Speaker 2: of these teams that was kind of in a holding

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Speaker 2: pattern and this was a win now move.

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Speaker 1: Ken one more on this or there's some chatter in

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Speaker 1: the chat right now about if the Rangers should be

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Speaker 1: in win now mode. And then also some semi legacy

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Speaker 1: talk about Chris Young. I'll just chime in real quick

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Speaker 1: with my opinion, Yes, when now you have some aging

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Speaker 1: vets and you've got a rotation that looks like it

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Speaker 1: can compete. And then also, I mean, see why I

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Speaker 1: won a World Series a few years ago. They haven't

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Speaker 1: given him a big purse to spend since then, so

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Speaker 1: I think he's done a damn good job.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting in checking around and asking people about

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Speaker 2: this trade. Yesterday I had an executive tell me, see

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Speaker 2: why is really good Chris Young? That he's made only

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Speaker 2: one trade that you can consider a whiff, Cole Reagan's

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Speaker 2: for Eroldish Chapman. And I wouldn't even consider that a

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Speaker 2: whiff myself. Rangers won a World Series that year with

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Speaker 2: Eroldist Chapman contributing. Obviously, Cole Reagan's became a top sy

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Speaker 2: young finisher, top five finisher within a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that they anticipated that, but no GM

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Speaker 2: has a perfect track record. And this executive's point was

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Speaker 2: that Chris Young generally trades the right guys that guys

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Speaker 2: do not come back to haunt him. And that's why

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Speaker 2: he was confident that the Rangers would do well in

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Speaker 2: this deal because he didn't see this package and a

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Speaker 2: lot of people don't see this package as being an

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Speaker 2: overwhelming package in terms of sheer, upside and quality. But

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Speaker 2: we'll see how it turns out. But certainly, Chris Young is,

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Speaker 2: as I said, intensely competitive. He's also a guy who

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Speaker 2: has drawn respect in the game for what he's accomplished

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Speaker 2: in his relatively brief time as a GM.

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Speaker 4: I want to go from one Young to the next.

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Speaker 4: So we'll talk about Jacob Young, another guy with the

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Speaker 4: Nationals too, Like, is this a guy they're gonna want

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Speaker 4: to move here or is this somebody that can stick

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Speaker 4: with this team for I think he's there at least

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Speaker 4: for four more years under contract. What do you think

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Speaker 4: about him? I mean, another really good part.

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Speaker 2: Not sure what to think Todd elite defender Jacob Young,

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Speaker 2: no question about that, And he is drawing some interest.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's the old are they shopping or are they

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Speaker 2: just listening question, It's the one that baffles me the

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Speaker 2: entire offseason. Every offseason. Teams will say we're just listening.

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Speaker 2: Other teams will say they're shopping him. I don't know

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Speaker 2: exactly where Young falls in that discussion. He's certainly a

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Speaker 2: guy that has been a popular name among other teams,

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Speaker 2: and he's certainly a guy too that you can see

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Speaker 2: them moving. They've got Lyles, they've got Cruise, they've got

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Speaker 2: Robert Hassel, and of course they have James Wood, so

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Speaker 2: they're not exactly short on outfielders, but Jacob Young fits

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Speaker 2: in as a possibility. So I don't know where they're

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Speaker 2: going with this exactly. You remember all off season they've

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Speaker 2: talked about how we think our players are going to

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Speaker 2: improve with the systems we're putting in place, but the

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Speaker 2: instructions we're bringing in this is under Paul Taboni's new regime,

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Speaker 2: and it all sounds great and yeah, I believe it,

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Speaker 2: but obviously it just traded one of the people that

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Speaker 2: and that was Mackenzie Gore.

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Speaker 3: Fair, that's fair. What about the Freddy Pea trade? The

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Speaker 3: Freddy Pea trade, now you wrote about how the I

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Speaker 3: think it was the Padres Rangers Astros to an extent,

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Speaker 3: and the Twins I think I'm missing a team that

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Speaker 3: we're all in in varying degrees. Can you rank those

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Speaker 3: varying degrees, Not in a sense of like you know

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Speaker 3: like what teams had enough to get The Brewers peaked

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Speaker 2: Well, there are other teams in the mix as well,

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Speaker 2: and we had written about them previously. The Red Sox,

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Speaker 2: the Yankees, the Giants, and the Mets ultimately met the

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Speaker 2: have seen the Minnesota Twins being involved at this level

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Speaker 2: when they're not really going to be that competitive this year.

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Speaker 2: They're doing well, I think, to hold their team together

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Speaker 2: and not trade any of the big pieces, but I

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Speaker 2: would have been surprised to see them take on a

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Speaker 2: rental like Freddy Peralta. The Rangers obviously were in the

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Speaker 2: see where they were thinking along the same lines as

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Speaker 2: they were with Gore. Let's get a guy to help

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Speaker 2: us win, and help us win in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: The Padres are always lurking on every available player. They're

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Speaker 2: always on every available player, and yes, they too need

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Speaker 2: starting pitching, but their system is a little bit down

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Speaker 2: from where it was earlier. Now, aj Pereller always finds

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Speaker 2: players and comes up with others to trade. I expect

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Speaker 2: that he could figure it out, but again, I don't

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Speaker 2: of the line here with the Mets seemingly were the

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Speaker 2: most persistent and the most persistent for a reason. They've

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Speaker 2: got money, they've got prospects, and they have the ability

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Speaker 2: also to extend Freddy Peralta if indeed this works out

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Speaker 2: well for them.

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Speaker 3: All Right, TV uncertainty this is the next topic that

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Speaker 3: we're going to talk about, because the Reds are one

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Speaker 3: of the teams that, oh, we're not one hundred percent sure.

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Speaker 3: A few months ago they did offer Kyle Schwarber quite

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Speaker 3: a bit of money, and their TV uncertainty to me,

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Speaker 3: feels like a crutch. While a legitimate crutch, it feels

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Speaker 3: like a crutch that you're leaning on this season with

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Speaker 3: the uncertainty not to be resolved for another three years

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Speaker 3: if I'm correct, right, So, how long is this going

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Speaker 3: to be something that we can have teams constantly lean

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Speaker 2: Well, the uncertainty is not going to last three years.

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Speaker 2: They're going to figure this out in probably short order now. Granted,

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Speaker 2: the national television contracts come up in three years, and

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Speaker 2: then what Manfred has talked about doing as commissioner is

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Speaker 2: hopefully getting them all under one umbrella, the local teams contracts,

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Speaker 2: and Major League Baseball has gone a long way toward

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Speaker 2: doing that, and perhaps the Reds and some of the

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Speaker 2: It's more a market choice. And I spoke with Max

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Speaker 1: Hey, Ken, last one for you, and I know it's

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Speaker 2: Well, First of all, what Evan wrote was that the

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Speaker 2: I believe that this sport can function quite well with

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Speaker 2: But the other factor here is if the owners seek

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Speaker 1: I don't believe the.

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Speaker 2: Owners are dumb enough, honestly, to lose a whole season

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Speaker 2: you want to play that game, Go play that game.

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Speaker 2: See how that fares with your franchise values. But to

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the time. Thank Scott we Hip hopping up

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Speaker 1: or down here bet MGM futures Orioles. Last year Todd

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Speaker 1: nailed it. But this year it's a different team. It's

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Speaker 1: a very different team, and there is a way to

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Speaker 1: buy value in the offseason. The Oils are at eighty

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Speaker 1: over or the under. Now, they're probably going to add

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Speaker 1: I gotta go right to you first, Todd Father. You

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Speaker 1: you this was like a lock for you last year,

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Speaker 1: and you were so on the money. People were like, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't think they'll be that good, but they'll make

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Speaker 4: No, I was right, man alive. They did some really

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Speaker 4: nice things this offseason. I gotta give them credit. Man, Listen,

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Speaker 4: I can go back this year. It's a new year.

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking. I'm just thinking of who who they got

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Speaker 3: It's a good one, you, Darren.

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Speaker 4: I think they're right around this number. I think this

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Speaker 4: the Rockies and sweep them to get the eighty six?

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Speaker 4: I say they do. Eighty six is the number over.

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Speaker 4: Royals make the playoffs, the Orioles make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Royals by two. New Ballpark, right, little tweets.

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Speaker 4: Try and beat that, mister turnover.

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Speaker 3: I like the over. I liked it before Todd said it.

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Speaker 3: Here we go like. I like the over. I think

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Speaker 3: the I think the division is going to be so tough.

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Speaker 3: That's why I'm not throwing. You can you can see

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Speaker 3: This one's not. This one's not. I feel like I'm

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Speaker 3: the over. I think the addition of Alonso. I think

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Speaker 3: got rid of Grace Rodriguez, I don't like that, but

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Speaker 3: he didn't give you anything last year because he was hurt.

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Speaker 3: So to me, those two additions. I'm not sure how

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Speaker 3: they're gonna score some runs. I'm definitely choosing the over

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Speaker 3: in some games with the Orioles. This year, Bradish returns

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Speaker 3: Is Paveta out there?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Does that give me a lot of confidence?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 3: I like Paveta, But to me, Frambur and Gallon should

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Speaker 3: And now that number, I think that number automatically goes

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Speaker 1: Agreed. I like it, and I think it's going to

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