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Speaker 1: Our Way with yours truly Paul Anka and my buddy

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Speaker 1: Skip Bronson, is a production of iHeartRadio. Hi, folks, this

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Speaker 1: is Paul.

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Speaker 2: Anka and my name is Skip Bronson. We've been friends

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Speaker 2: for decades and we've decided to let you in on

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Speaker 2: our late night phone calls by starting a new podcast.

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Speaker 1: And welcome to Our Way. We'd like you to meet

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Speaker 1: some real good friends of us.

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Speaker 2: You're leaders in entertainment and.

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Speaker 1: Sports, innovators in business and technology, and even a sitting

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Speaker 1: president or two.

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Speaker 2: Join us as we ask the questions they've not been

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Speaker 2: asked before, tell it like it is, and even sing

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Speaker 2: a song or two.

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Speaker 1: This is our podcast and we'll be doing it our Way.

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Speaker 3: Hello everyone. My name's Jordan run Talk and one of

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Speaker 3: the producers of Our Way. Over the last few months,

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Speaker 3: we've had some amazing guests on this show, but some

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Speaker 3: of my favorite moments have been when the tapes weren't running.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about the after hours phone chat, so the

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Speaker 3: pre show meetings when I hear the most amazing stories

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Speaker 3: from Paul and Skip, and I always thought it was

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Speaker 3: a shame that people don't get to hear them with me.

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Speaker 3: So today we're doing something a little different. We're turning

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Speaker 3: the tables on our hosts, Paul and Skip, and I'm

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Speaker 3: going to interview them. They are going to be guests

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Speaker 3: on their own show. What do you guys think you ready?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not a problem. I'd like to get to know

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Speaker 1: Skip a little better. It's possible.

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Speaker 3: I mean that was kind of my first question. I

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Speaker 3: want to know how you guys first met.

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Speaker 2: I realized I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know precisely, Skip. Maybe you could throw

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Speaker 1: something on it to date, but I know it was

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Speaker 1: many years ago when you were working with brother Steve Winn.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, actually I've seen Paul. This is forty plus

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Speaker 2: years ago. He was performing at the Golden Nugget. I

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Speaker 2: was there to visit with Steve. I was just Steve

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Speaker 2: it was just fantastic. I mean, the audience was just

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Speaker 2: he owned the audience. And then later, you know, the

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Speaker 2: next day, Steve said, what you do last night? I said,

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Speaker 2: you know, I want to see Paul ink and blah

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Speaker 2: blah blah, and he said, oh yeah, you said, he's

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Speaker 2: coming up here to the office, and Paul came up.

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Speaker 2: I actually didn't stay for you know, the time that

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Speaker 2: you know, through our mutual friendship with Steve Wynn, you know,

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Speaker 2: we wound up doing things together where the three of us,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, we've told stories about this on

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Speaker 2: And ever since then, Paul is I've never had a brother,

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Speaker 2: last twenty five years, we've had this relationship where we're

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Speaker 1: You know, it's always cool when you meet somebody who's

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Speaker 1: very quickly realizes somebody special here. I don't mean in

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Speaker 1: And I'm always very cautious anyway, because I'm not a

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Speaker 1: ever since. You know, you meet people like that and

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Speaker 1: you get to you know, what I think I said

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Speaker 1: understanding and commitment to friendship. I think it's got to

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Speaker 1: And you know, Skip's got a lot of acquaintances and

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Speaker 1: right and he's accepted that that's a concept of our friendship.

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Speaker 1: But we've had so much fun together. You know, we

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Speaker 1: the human factor can be deadly. You know, man's inhumanity

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you when you know, you're a made

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Speaker 2: had an encounter with Don Rickles, if he insulted you,

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Speaker 2: insulted by Don Rickles. That's a big deal. So Paul

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Speaker 2: is one of the great practical jokers of all time.

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Speaker 2: And because of his you know, his singing ability. He

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Speaker 2: And when I started to become the victim, if you will,

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Speaker 2: admit I fucking hate it. I fucking hate it. But

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Speaker 2: here's what I like. I like telling the story because

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Speaker 2: people love the story. Unfortunately. I'll just give you one example.

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Speaker 2: Edie and I, my wife and I. Edie and I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was at Medeo with two other couples. My

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Speaker 2: And he said, oh, you're kiddy. Where are you? I said,

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Speaker 2: So I stand up and I'm waving my arm and

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Speaker 2: at this point two waiters have come over to me

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Speaker 2: Where are you? He said, I'm at home? I said,

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the uh. That was one of our

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Speaker 1: funny ones, but the best one. Unfortunately, it was Monte Carlo.

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Speaker 2: Let me set this one up. So Steve Wynn decides

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Speaker 2: we get in Steve's plane and we fly to Monaco.

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Speaker 1: So we arrive in Monaco and we know exactly what

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Speaker 1: and I said, mister Bronson, Yes, this is Peter Panzantos

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Speaker 1: a tuxedo. He says, what he must be in a tuxedo?

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Speaker 1: We will take care of him. He will see us vay,

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Speaker 1: he will be led that have him ready. So Skip

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Speaker 1: He can buy a little more time, so you take

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Speaker 1: I guess you got to keep moving. Man, they throw

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Speaker 1: the East Coast. Did you golf at all?

428
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Speaker 2: It's so funny you brought that up. So I never

429
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 2: take typically a two week trip to New York. But

430
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 2: I'm on these three public company boards, and as it

431
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 2: lined up, and I had something to do with lining

432
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 2: it up this way, they met consecutively over a total

433
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 2: of two weeks. So I didn't have to fly to Miami.

434
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 2: I don't have to fly to Dallas. Everything was done

435
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: in one place. But it was two weeks is a

436
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 2: long time. I had a great time. Saw an amazing

437
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 2: show on Broadway, one of the best dramas I've seen,

438
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 2: called Patriots, just amazing, the story of the creation of

439
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin, if you will buy the Zla Girk who

440
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 2: essentially invented him. But that was great anyway, So I'm busy,

441
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 2: but I for whatever reason, I took my golf clubs

442
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 2: with me, had them packed up in a big, you know,

443
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 2: travel bag, probably weighs fifty pounds all in, and I

444
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: had it in my hotel room and I was sitting

445
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 2: with it in the hotel room for about five days,

446
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, I'm not going to play golf. I'll

447
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 2: send my clubs back. So I Federal Expressed my clubs back,

448
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: and you know usually you don't select next day, but

449
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: probably second day for something that size. So sent it

450
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 2: back second day. I get back to my club here

451
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 2: in LA and I said, we sent my clubs up

452
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 2: front to the pro shop and they said, we don't

453
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 2: have your clubs. I said, no, no, what do you

454
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 2: mean you don't have my clubs. You took your clubs.

455
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: I think you went to New York or something with them,

456
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: but we don't have your clubs. I said, that's impossible.

457
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: I sent them back here more than a week ago.

458
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 2: So cut to Aaron. Thankfully, you know, she can do anything,

459
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: find anything. We had the tracking number, so I said, well,

460
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: here's the tracking number. So she looks and it says

461
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 2: the clubs are still in New York. They're not even

462
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 2: in transit. I'm like what. So we called the hotel

463
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 2: and said, how did you not give the clubs to

464
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: Federal Express. They said no, no, Federal Express had them,

465
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 2: and they send us pictures of surveillance in the hotel

466
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 2: where you can see the Federal Express driver you see

467
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 2: my golf bag. You see him take the golf bag.

468
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 2: So we know the Federal Express has him. So I'm

469
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,719
Speaker 2: pulling out every stunt. My friend Fred Purpaul is on

470
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: the board of Federal Express, so I called him. I

471
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 2: got him involved. Anyway, All of a sudden, it dawns

472
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 2: on me, Wait a second, I've got an air tag

473
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: on my golf bag, you know, an Apple air tag

474
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 2: where you can find things from your phone. So it

475
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: dawns on me yesterday, click on it, and the golf

476
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 2: clubs are somewhere on West thirty fourth Street, and it

477
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: looks like a residential building. So now I'm thinking somebody

478
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 2: stole my golf clubs. They're in somebody's apartment on West

479
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 2: thirty fourth Street. So then Erin, being Aaron, you know,

480
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 2: she looks and finds out that that address is actually

481
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: one of the Federal Express offices. So the end of

482
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,479
Speaker 2: the stories, we call there and they can't find the clubs.

483
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: Now we said, wait a minute, wait a minute, you can't.

484
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 2: I can find them. I'm three thousand miles away. They're

485
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 2: in your warehouse, and I know where they are, and

486
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: you don't know where they are. So this one I'm

487
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 2: back and forth for I don't know anyway. I'm not

488
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: sure if it was you know, Fred Purpaul called. He

489
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 2: said to me, the chairman of the boards, I'll looking

490
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: for your clubs, no joke. So I don't know how

491
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 2: this happened, but today my golf clubs came back Hell

492
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: the next day Federal Express. The end of that long

493
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 2: winded story is these Apple air tags. They're worth their

494
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 2: weight and goal.

495
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: Oh I love them. I keep track all my luggage.

496
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially you you're traveling all over the world.

497
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: You know. The craziest thing happened to me is you

498
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: talk about luggage and loss. I was working in Canada

499
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: on TV show and at the culmination of the series

500
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: would end months later. Me, my orchestra, we all had

501
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: to get on flights. I had a plane at the time,

502
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: and we all had to get to la Let's say

503
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: it was a Tuesday, and get on a plane Wednesday

504
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: Wednesday to go to Hong Kong. Now I got to

505
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: move a band, me, et cetera. Back then I think

506
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: it was Western Skip You remember Western Airlines. Yeah, how

507
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: unreliable they were, et cetera. The short of it is,

508
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 1: all my guys get on a plane. All the luggage

509
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: in the music is coming to Vegas, where I lived

510
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: at the time. I land early on my plane. I

511
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: get to my house and I get a phone call

512
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: from my assistant and she said, Western is late again.

513
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: The boys and the luggage. I won't get here until

514
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: the evening. We don't think we can get the luggage

515
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: tomorrow because customs are now holding all the luggage. I said,

516
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: but we've got a plane, no more now Hong Kong.

517
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: We but they won't release it. I get in my

518
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: station wagon with one of my assistants and we drive

519
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: out to mccaren field and I go into this customs

520
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: area and there's a guy. Well, you know their attitude,

521
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: power driven, I said to the guy, I said, sir Bob,

522
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: we did the show and paul Anka and I've got

523
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: my music and my guy and I'm looking behind him

524
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: and there's a net over all the luggage and all

525
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: the music, this huge net. I said, By the way,

526
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: that's that's our stuff, our music. So I'm sorry I

527
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: can't help you. You have to come back tomorrow, I said,

528
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: We've got to be on an airplane. We need that. Sorry,

529
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: come back, don't bother me. I backed the station wagon

530
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: into this open area to where the net is. I

531
00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: start loading all the luggage and the music into my

532
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: station wagon as much as I could hold. And this

533
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: guy's looking at you can't do that, you gots America.

534
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: I said, I'm doing it. I'm going to Hong Kong, right.

535
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: So I load up what I know I need and

536
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: I bring everything to my house. And now I think

537
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: I'm set to go to Hong Kong, and I start

538
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: unpacking stuff that I know I need. I unpacked this.

539
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: I get a phone call from my attorney the next morning.

540
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: He said, did you break into an area at the

541
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: customs out at Macaren and loaded? I said, yeah, I did.

542
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: I said, we're leaving, you know, on the night flight.

543
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: We got to get to Hong Kong. He said, well,

544
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: you're in trouble. He said, you'd better send that luggage back.

545
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: So I said, but he said, you better send it back.

546
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: You've got a shitload of trouble coming. So I unpacked

547
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: the stuff that I know we need, and I start

548
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: putting books in from my library to fill the bags

549
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: with what I think. Fade out, fade in. Now, I

550
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: got lawyers, I got the American government all over my ass.

551
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: You took this luggage, you were smuggling in drugs, you

552
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: were smuggling in a body. I mean, you wouldn't believe

553
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: that shit that were town at me. Now I'm in

554
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: Hong Kong with the stuff my lawyers are calling me.

555
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: I got the top guy in Vegas, I got a

556
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: guy in Washington. You smuggled a body, and you took

557
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: this anyway. It gets to the point where I now

558
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: have to go in front of the district attorney in

559
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: Las Vegas and I'm working at the Riviera Hotel and

560
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: he sits me down. He said, you know, I would

561
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: be much more severe and what you did. But I

562
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: know what you're about. He said. I used to be

563
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: a dishwasher at Caesar's Palace and you always came in

564
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: every time you do a show, through the kitchen to

565
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: get to the stage. You never went to the public areas,

566
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: and you were the only guy that would stop and

567
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: talk to us. And I was just earning nothing, trying

568
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: to get my way through through college, and you would

569
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: bring a CDs and you'd be so kind. He said,

570
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: I know that you're not the guy that they said

571
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: you are, and I'm going to fit you with a

572
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand bubba and it was all over. And

573
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: this guy today is one of the top attorneys in

574
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Wow, you talk about luggage, Huh, that's crazy.

575
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: Is then a wild story? I was smuggling in a

576
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: body drugs. I mean, they throw everything at you, right.

577
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: You know your.

578
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: Career, you know is an independent contractor, you know, and

579
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: I know you had We've talked before about odd jobs

580
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: and whatever, but you ever in your life have a

581
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: salaried job. Ever?

582
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: Well, when I was a kid, I worked as a waiter,

583
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: go salaried. I worked as a caddie, salaried. But skip,

584
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: you have to understand, I was writing music at fourteen.

585
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: I left at fourteen to go to New York because

586
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: I collected super wrappers, because I wanted to get to

587
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: New York. That's a whole other story, Campbell's soup. When

588
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: I get home, I had jobs, you know. I worked

589
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,479
Speaker 1: in restaurants, I was the caddy, I had a paper route.

590
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: But after that, from age fifteen on, I was in

591
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: Hello Dreamland, show business.

592
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: That was it. You've always worked for yourself? Yeah?

593
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: Always? And then I had you know, managers, but I've

594
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: never had real partners. Other than Irfeld.

595
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: My first job on salary. I was sixteen years old.

596
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: My mother marched me down to the local supermarket called

597
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: the Popular Supermarket, told me to give me a job.

598
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: And you know, probably the lowest scale job in the

599
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: supermarket is facing the shelves. I don't know if you

600
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: know what that means. But somebody comes along. Let's say,

601
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: there's you know, heinz ketchup, So somebody takes a bottle.

602
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: Another person comes along, they take a bottle. Now it's

603
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: it's hard to see the ketchup. So the job facing

604
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: the shelves meant that you would take whatever was on

605
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: that shelf and bring it forward, So you'd have to

606
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: walk down the aisle, do every aisle in the supermarket,

607
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: one after another, and then start over again. The same

608
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: way they say. You know, when they paint the George

609
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: Washington Bridge, by the time they finished, it's time, you know,

610
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: to paint it again. You know, I got to start over.

611
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: So you're constantly doing that and facing the shelves. It's

612
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: the worst job. And I have to tell you my

613
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: friend Larry David's wife Ashley, who I'm totally crazy about,

614
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: this is one of her favorite stories. So when I

615
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: was doing this job. It was so mindless and it

616
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: was so boring. And you know, this is before the

617
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: days of you know, being able to put buds in

618
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: your ear and listen to music or look at a smartphone.

619
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: This was just the most tedious, boring job. And back

620
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: in the day, food wasn't sealed. Like if you wanted

621
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: to buy a bottle of ketchup, you just open it

622
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 2: right up. You know. Now everything's got one of the

623
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: you know, incredible seals on it, and then something even

624
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: below the seal. But then you just open things up.

625
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: You know, it's just very simple. So one of my

626
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: things that I would do when I was bored is

627
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: I would take a toothpick, go over to the peanut

628
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: butter aisle, take a jar of peanut butter, take the

629
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: top off, and with the toothpick right fuck you in

630
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: the peanut butter, and then screw the cap back on,

631
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: put it back on the shelf. And I can't tell

632
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: you how many times I'd be working in the store

633
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: facing the shelves and I'd look toward the manager's desk

634
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: and this irate and irate woman would be there folding

635
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: a jar of peanut butter. Pointing with her index finger

636
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: like like, look at this, look at this, look at this.

637
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: And I was about fifty yards away watching this. And

638
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 2: the manager, his name was Tom Wassel. He would glare

639
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: at me. He couldn't ever catch me doing it, but

640
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: he knew that I had to be the guy that

641
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: put it. He would just look over whoever the person

642
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: who was talking to, look over their shoulder. If he

643
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: could spot me and give me a look, that would

644
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 2: just kill because he knew you, son of a bitch,

645
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 2: I know you that's doing this. But the greatest joy

646
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: was not writing fuck you in the peanut butter. The

647
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: greatest joy was the thought of some person that gets

648
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: home from the grocery store. They unpack all this stuff whatever.

649
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: One of their kids says, Mommy, can I get a

650
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 2: peanut butter jelly sandwich. She'd take the lid off the

651
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 2: peanut butter and said that, I can't explain to you

652
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: that I was making a dollar twenty five an hour. Yeah,

653
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: I had to join the Amalgamated meat Cutters and butcher

654
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: Workmen of North Americay. Had he gives them part yea Yeah,

655
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: you had to give them part of your dollar and

656
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: a quarter an hour. Yeah, yeah, but the joy that

657
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: I used to get out of doing this with those

658
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 2: jars of peanut butter, it was just, oh my god.

659
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: It was My only experience was the Campbell soup thing,

660
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, at fourteen or fifteen, when I heard about

661
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: New York and how to get there. We didn't have

662
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: any money, you know. And when I read in the

663
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 1: paper IgA Campbell soup contest forty kids from Canada, whoever

664
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: collects the most wrappers gets to go to New York.

665
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: I'm down. So I go down to this guy Abraham,

666
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: who owned the place down on Somerset, and I said,

667
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: can I have a job. I want to pack the

668
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: bags and I was clocking all the women who come

669
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: through when I pack it with Campbell soup. And then

670
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: I'd go over to the island look at the Campbell

671
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: soup to see what I could rip off in the

672
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: pack and put the ones in the But I was

673
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: collecting Campbell soup and I was going to these homes

674
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: with these women. But anyway, I won, right, I won

675
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: for my district, and next thing you know, I'm going

676
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: to New York. They gave us a box lunch which

677
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: was warp by the time we got to New York,

678
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: watered down pickles and shit, and we get to New

679
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: York and I'm staying at the y Sloanhouse. The Sloanhouse,

680
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: the way I'm saying, that was my first introduction. I'd

681
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: never seen anything like New York. And on Canada there

682
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: was no high rises and that was it through Campbell

683
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: Super Rappers at IgA.

684
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: How old were you when you wrote Diana, you were?

685
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 2: How old?

686
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: Fifteen ish? Fourteen to fifteen? I went down on Easter vacation,

687
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: recorded it in May. I was fifteen. By the time

688
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: I turned sixteen, I was on Dick Clark and Ed Sullivan. Yeah.

689
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: So is it based on a real experience?

690
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: Oh well, I wish there was an experience. She had

691
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: nothing to do with me.

692
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: When you say I'm so young and you're so old?

693
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 2: There you go, how old were you? And how old

694
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: was this victim? Here? You?

695
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: No, No, I was a victim. She was loving it.

696
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: So here I am at fifteen? Yeah, I had a

697
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: crush on this girl, Diana, who's three years older. Really attractive.

698
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: But you have to go back to the fifties when

699
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: sexuality and that whole social thing was you know, if

700
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: you're too short if you're too old, if you're too.

701
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: And at that age, that's a big gap, three years big.

702
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. So she wanted nothing to do with me. Nothing.

703
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: So I sit down and I'm playing piano now because

704
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: I got thrown out a shorthand, and I'm taking piano

705
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: lessons because I'm really a huge fan of music. And

706
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: I start, you know, I started because I won three

707
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: awards in school for my short stories, and everybody say, ah,

708
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: you're a writer. So my dad gets me a gig

709
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: at the Ottawa Citizen as a cub reporter. But at

710
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: home and with my piano lessons, I'm writing songs. So

711
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: I start, I'm so young, you're so old. This is

712
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: my darling I've been told because everybody kept telling me

713
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: she's too old and you're too young, and nothing's going

714
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: to happen. Not Shakespeare, just kid with a feeling and

715
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: wrote with what I saw, and you become what you see.

716
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: And I wrote it. I didn't know, and then you know,

717
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: when I left home with that and a few songs

718
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: in my pocket, I get to New York in front

719
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: of all the suits and it becomes a hit. I

720
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: go back to Ottawa and there's parades and all that

721
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: stuff going on. Now She's looking at me like I'm

722
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: Troy Donahue, right, I'd already traveled and done, and I said,

723
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: this ain't gonna work anymore, honey words, I'm over it.

724
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: And nothing ever came of it.

725
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: That was it. That was it.

726
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: But I thank you for the inspiration.

727
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: And I love when you still start your show when

728
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: you come in from the back of the audience to

729
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: walk toward the stage and you start seeing Diana and

730
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: people just go wild. They go wild, And then I

731
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 2: could do I could do your act. I've seen it

732
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 2: enough times. I like when you say, okay, I had

733
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 2: to get that out of the way.

734
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: I love you madly, but I'd love to see you

735
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: try it once.

736
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: I know. Adie always says to me when she's nervous,

737
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: and if we're a private plane or a helicopter and

738
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 2: there's turbulence and she gets nervous, really scared. I always

739
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: look over and say, listen, I guarantee you I can

740
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: get this plane on the ground. Of course, I don't

741
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: tell her that I can get it on the ground

742
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: at one piece. I can just get it on the ground.

743
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: But the same way I could do your act. You know,

744
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: I could never do your act.

745
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: I was telling Michelle the other day because we flew

746
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 1: fifteen hours from Asia back home fifteen hours now, I said,

747
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: you know what, when I think when I was fifteen

748
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: years old and I'm on those prop planes going to Asia,

749
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: I don't know how the hell I did it. Those

750
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: props took so long and so many stops, and I'm

751
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: on there with Jerry Lee Lewis, who hated me. I

752
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: was this kid, very successful and he was crazy, so

753
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: down there with Buddy Hard but we would sit on

754
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: these prop planes skip. I don't know how the hell

755
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: I did it. And then when somebody said maybe close

756
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: to nineteen sixty where they got these jet engines, I'm

757
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: I ain't getting on that. What do you mean a

758
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: jet engine? No? Fuck, what is a jetit? I was

759
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: scared to death to get on a jet.

760
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: We talked about this on the Mark Burnett podcast. But

761
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: when he and I were on a plane and forty

762
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 2: one thousand feet a private jet and lost an engine,

763
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: it wasn't dicey, but it was you know, you can't

764
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: help but think, you know. And Mark looked over me.

765
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: He said, are we going to die? And I said yes,

766
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 2: but not today.

767
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: You know, years ago with the Beatles thing hit, and

768
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: I'm traveling all over the world and enjoying all of

769
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: that stuff. I'd hit every country and the Beatles hit,

770
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm evolving as a writer. And I

771
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: decided to move to Italy part time because I loved

772
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: Italy and I wanted to record an Italian and I

773
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: wanted to give back to Germany. Were recorded in German

774
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: and French, and I go to Italy and I used

775
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: to fly from New York t w A all the

776
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: way over for my stay in Italy, and I got

777
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: to know them so well. They invite me up to

778
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: the cockpit and I'd sit there wa with these pilots

779
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: that you know that'd sit in the chair you were allowed.

780
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: Back then, there was none of this terrorist shit. I'll

781
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: never fear. One day, we're landing in Rome and that's

782
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: a t w A good land your room and a

783
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: latitude sixty five or two three thirty thousand feet and

784
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: the ground. Go back to the pilots. I'm sitting there here,

785
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: that's all right over there. And then make a left

786
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: turn of the longer two to six or two okay,

787
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: right now with a five or seven or two three,

788
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: But you gave it the same coordinance to the PanAm

789
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: plant coming in from the north. What's what's going on?

790
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: And the ground goes, that's all right, lookout. I'll never

791
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: forget that. That's all right, lookout, said there's a ship.

792
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: What do you mean?

793
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 2: Lookout?

794
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: You know it was so different back then, you know,

795
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: you didn't have all this great stuff in the cockpit.

796
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: Now, speaking of technology, I love a great app. If

797
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 2: somebody tells you about new apps. But there are two

798
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 2: apps I was going to mention you and the Jordan.

799
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: Jordan's get a kick out of it too. Don't know

800
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 2: if you're familiar with this search engine called Perplexity. It's

801
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: an app that you must download on your phone. If

802
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: you're searching for something in Google, you know, you just

803
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: type it in the box and Google spits out an answer.

804
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: Perplexity gives you so much detail. If I typed in

805
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: who is Paul Anka? Not only will it tell me

806
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: you know anything that's on Wikipedia, it'll show pictures of you,

807
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: it'll talk, it'll show your tour schedule, it'll show Oh,

808
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: the depth that it goes to is extraordinary. So that's Perplexity.

809
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 2: The other one people who are using AI apps and

810
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: chat GPT is you know, always been one of them,

811
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: but now there's an app called chat GPT four. I

812
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: was at a board meeting in New York this past week,

813
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: and I chair the Nominating Governance Committee. So I was

814
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: thinking at this meeting, the meeting prior, the people that

815
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: gave reports, like on the Compensation Committee, Nominating Governance Committee,

816
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: the committee, it was taking them too long. Their reports

817
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 2: were too long. So I typed into chat gpt, what's

818
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: a good way to get people on boards to give

819
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: reports that are not very lengthy? Fifteen seconds it's spit

820
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: out literally five or seven pages with ideas of how

821
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: to motivate people to summarize and talk about strategy and

822
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: list and then a letter. It wrote a letter that

823
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 2: you could write to each person that's on the committee.

824
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: The letter was in there on chat GPT four. This

825
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 2: is I mean, no one is going to replace songwriters

826
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: like you. I mean, everybody knows you as a performer,

827
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: but you know, I think of you is obviously much

828
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: more than that, and being such a prolific songwriter, but

829
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: you're going to be able to write songs using AI.

830
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: That is just going to be I mean now they

831
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: can the way I talked to at the very beginning

832
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: of this podcast about you in the way you can

833
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 2: disguise your voice. It can replicate your voice. You can

834
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: have something you just just give it a little snippet

835
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 2: of your voice, and it can take your voice and

836
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: sing my way in your voice, not in Paul's voice,

837
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 2: in my voice, and it actually sounds like I'm singing

838
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: the song. So I mean, I think you know we're

839
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: getting into a place because Paul keeps talking about the

840
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 2: changes in the way things were, in the way things are,

841
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: and you know how extraordinary it's been. This stuff is

842
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: next level.

843
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: Man, that's right. AI is the future.

844
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 2: And obviously we know about the applications Jordan in health

845
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: and healthcare and you know all you know how pharmaceuticals

846
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: will be created. I know all that, But just in

847
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 2: the arts, in entertainment, the things that they're already doing.

848
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: That's right, just over a lot of people out of work.

849
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's between the AI and the aliens. You

850
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: know my rap on that, but indigenous to what you

851
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: were talking about. You know, one of my special moments

852
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: is when I hear from my friend Warren Buffett and

853
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: I don't like to drop names. But he called me

854
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: a while back. He said, Bill Gates is here with

855
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: me and he's showing me this. Gee. What was that

856
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: first machine? That's something? Gee? He said. I asked the

857
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,479
Speaker 1: machine to give me four different versions of my way,

858
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: and it spit it out in one minute. I said, really, Warren,

859
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: He said yeah, And I knew then that day when

860
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: he told me what was coming down the road. It

861
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: was amazing, amazing.

862
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: And how long ago was that?

863
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: Two years ago?

864
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: Really?

865
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: I guess Gates was hip to it and took it

866
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: to Warren and he was showing Warren what it could do.

867
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: You know, you use it, Jordan, you use any ai

868
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: or too much.

869
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 3: The thing that I'm most fascinated by with it is

870
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: the voice cloning. There's versions of you know, okay, you

871
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 3: can hear Paul McCartney sing an Amy Winehouse song or

872
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 3: a Stevie Wonder song. And there's this whole little cottage

873
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 3: industry of people on YouTube that are using the voice

874
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: cloning software to have Frank Sinatra singer, Michael Jackson song

875
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 3: or something like that. And it's it's interesting to me.

876
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 3: I mean, I the ethics of it are a whole

877
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: other question but just purely from curiosity. I think it's

878
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 3: interesting in the way that early hip hop samplers were

879
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 3: interesting too. I think that, you know, there's a way

880
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 3: to make it artful, but I know that the ethics

881
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 3: around it are pretty dubious at times.

882
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be an experience for a lot

883
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: of people that are not expecting. Yeah, deadly.

884
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: The rights issues. You know, I've learned a lot on

885
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: this podcast about rights issues because we've had people like

886
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 2: Michael bubleon and he wants to sing you know, White Christmas,

887
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 2: and he didn't write it, he doesn't own it. And

888
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: it turns out that iHeart has to pay a fee.

889
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: That's what our world's about. Skip, I've got b M

890
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: I or as gap. I mean, basically, what is every

891
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: time a song is used in any fashion, whether it's

892
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: on radio or CDs, when they were sold, et cetera,

893
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: et cetera, you've got to pay the publisher and the writers.

894
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: The curious thing is, and for years we've been fighting it,

895
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: the artist never gets paid. Every time you'd hear let's say,

896
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: White Christmas Bing Crosby the publisher Berlin, but not Bing

897
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: Crosby would get paid. Singers don't get paid every time

898
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: it's played.

899
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: But how do you know here's my question. When we

900
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: did this with Buble, he's saying, like less than one

901
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: verse of something that's right? So how many words do

902
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: you have to use? Six to be then said to

903
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 2: say you have to pay for that right.

904
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: It's like if you're stealing a song, they're going to

905
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: watch you to six notes. But if you've got more

906
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: than two or three bars, four bars which goes by quickly,

907
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: you've got to pay a license.

908
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 3: I've got you under my skin making me sweat, Paul,

909
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 3: we pay put a big sens or bleep over all that.

910
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 2: How did they But how do they determine the amount

911
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: that is paid?

912
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: Well, the societies, if you will, have these rate sheets,

913
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: whether it's Aska or BMI, and they monitor everybody, you know,

914
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: certain lounges or public places, radio ets. They've got to

915
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: write out what they're using and they sit there and

916
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: there's a formula as to how much you get predicated

917
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: on words place. You know, when I had the Tonight

918
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: Show theme, for instance, nobody expected you know, when I

919
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: gave Johnny Carson half of it, you remember, got thrown off.

920
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: They didn't want me blah blah blah. And they put

921
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: the Tonight Show theme on our theme right, and they

922
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 1: only played it for fifteen seconds. There was a formula

923
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: for every television show as to how much you would

924
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: get paid for the theme, and we started getting X amount.

925
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: But nobody knew at that time, because even Johnny said

926
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 1: to me, Oh, I'm gonna do this for a couple

927
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: of years, and you know, till I find something else.

928
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: What thirty years later, what was the number this song

929
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: starts earning. It's like a slot machine into year four

930
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: or five, six, seven, eight. Well, the society bm I,

931
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: what have you? They're going, what the fuck? That's too

932
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: much money. They go in, they reassess it, and they

933
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: changed the formula so we'd make less money. I mean

934
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 1: that's okay, okay, I put kids through college. Johnny did

935
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: very well. But the game was it's beyond what we

936
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: think it should be worth because they're monitoring every television show,

937
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: they're monitoring every radio station as to what's played and

938
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: how you get paid.

939
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 3: What are your memories of Johnny?

940
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: How did you first get tight with him?

941
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: Where shall I start? First of all, Johnny Carson was

942
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 1: probably the best to this day. He was the guy,

943
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: There's no question about it. I met him early in

944
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: the sixties when he was just finding his way, you know,

945
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: he had somewhat of a career. And I was doing

946
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 1: a television show in London and I wanted a comedy relief.

947
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: I said, send me some kinescopes back then, send me

948
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: kinescope a bunch of comics. And I sat there in

949
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: London with Granada, who were producing at Granada TV, and

950
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: I start looking at a bunch of comics. Well, this

951
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: one comes on where this guy is glush, drinks all night,

952
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 1: but he's got to get up at six in the morning.

953
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: He's got a kiddie show. He's got to be there

954
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: at seven. These kids are all like what seven six,

955
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: screaming kids. But he come in hungover every night. And

956
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: it was Johnny doing this bit that after drinking and

957
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: barely getting out of bed he had to go hear

958
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: these kids and he's doing old Well. I thought it

959
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: was very funny. You'd have to see it, I said,

960
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: that guy. So Johnny comes over does the show. I

961
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 1: you know, I meet him, nice guy, but quiet. And

962
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 1: I go back to New York when I was finished,

963
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: and I run into him on fifty seventh Street in

964
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: a building. Hey, John, I have been a fine what

965
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: are you up to? I'm going to do this show,

966
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, take it for a year or two, blah

967
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: blah blah, which I explained to you. And one thing

968
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,959
Speaker 1: leads to another to where he wants a new theme

969
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: on the show, and you know that story. But through

970
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: the following years, not the easiest guy to get to know.

971
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: I think Seinfeld just did a whole rap on him

972
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: with somebody tearing them apart, which I'm not going to

973
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: endorse it this part, but tough to get to know.

974
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: You started hearing stories of you know, drinking too much,

975
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: and you know, some guys can drink and hold it

976
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: and some guys become warriors, you know. And now I'm

977
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: hearing you know, Sunny Warburn he owned the Jets, for instance,

978
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: and we all knew each other back then, Joe name

979
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: of it. Johnny shows up for whatever reason, maybe he

980
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: needed Sonny for some business though, and Johnny had been

981
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: drinking and starts fighting with the Jets football team, who

982
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: tower over everybody. Right, So it gets to the point

983
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: where they locked Johnny outside of the terrace for about

984
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: an hour until he can cool off. So it all

985
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: started back then, not the easiest to get to know,

986
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: and the stuff out there publicly that, you know, counterbalance

987
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: who he was and how great he was at his work.

988
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: You know. The one that I did hear that I

989
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: was just amazed at was you know, Frank created Jillie's.

990
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra created Jillie's restaurant and bar for Jillie, who

991
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: was his right hand, right hand, and left hand and

992
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: foot whatever he had to deal with people with. But

993
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: he was Frank's guy, and he had this bar. It

994
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: was the popular place. Well, Johnny wanted to get tight

995
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: with Frank and Frank didn't care. But after work he

996
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: and McMahon would go over to Julie's bar and on

997
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: one night, and Johnny was a drummer and wherever he

998
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: could he played, had Buddy rich on all the time,

999
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: but he played at home. He was a drummer, so

1000
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: he'd go over there and try and sit in with

1001
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: the trio that was there. But on one night he

1002
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: gets there and he was lit, and he started like

1003
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: grabbing the asses of these chicks at the bar and

1004
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: flirting with him. What have you, blah blah blah. So

1005
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: what he didn't know then was on Friday nights the

1006
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: boys would have their side dishes there their girlfriends, mistresses

1007
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: on Saturday, the wives. So now it's a Friday night

1008
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: and he's carrying on with them and they're over there

1009
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: drinking in the guy's notes. Anyway, they go over and

1010
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: they take them, they throw them down a flight of stairs,

1011
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: must have been three or four stairs down to the bathrooms,

1012
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: and they go down. They start beating the shit out

1013
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: of them. Johnny Carson, somebody's doing They're killing Johnny Carson.

1014
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: Jillie had to go down stop them, you know, straighten

1015
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: them out whatever. But you hear those stories, and you

1016
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: know that was way back when we didn't want to

1017
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: believe it. And you know, the whole drinking issue was

1018
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: an issue with Johnny. But as I say, the best

1019
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: at what he did and smart and a loner in

1020
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: a sense, you know, So you know, I didn't really

1021
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 1: get to know him. I was younger and I didn't

1022
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: walk in those circles, you know. But hey, he did

1023
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: what he did and he was the best at I'd

1024
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: like to leave it at that.

1025
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 2: And we wound up with the themes on which is great.

1026
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dad, At the silly, quick little fifteen seconds, and

1027
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: here it is on our show.

1028
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 2: Jordan. You've heard everything from me writing in the peanut

1029
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 2: butter jars to Paul how we first met Johnny Cars

1030
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 2: and everything in between. But if we pretty much covered

1031
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 2: the landscape, I.

1032
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 3: Think we might have to do a part two of

1033
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 3: these one of these days.

1034
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: But I had a blast. Thank you so much, guys.

1035
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 2: It's always fun to be with you.

1036
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: Paul.

1037
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 2: We're blessed to have the best producer in the podcast world.

1038
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: Jordan. There ain't no us I tell you that. How

1039
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: we locked into a first time, it's like he's a blessing,

1040
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: our maiden voyage and finding Jordan. We are so blessed.

1041
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: Talk to you anytime you want, Jordan, anytime you want.

1042
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 1: And we got more to our story, you know that.

1043
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 2: And by the way, and the story is still evolving. Yeah,

1044
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 2: it's not just the old story. You know. There's going

1045
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 2: to be another news story next week. I can guarantee

1046
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 2: you that we got new stories, all right.

1047
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: Every time we call somebody that we want on, they

1048
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: give us a left turn look out. We're learning a

1049
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: lot from this, yeah, but we're getting great responses, Jordan,

1050
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: you know, thanks to you and the team effort. We're

1051
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: getting great feedback. I'm loving it.

1052
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 3: You guys are teaching us all about friendship and what

1053
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 3: it means to be a good friend. And I think

1054
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 3: that's the thing I'm the most excited to share with

1055
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 3: people too, is that you know, between the two of

1056
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 3: you and the friends that you have on it's really

1057
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 3: cool to see.

1058
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 2: So I thank you for that.

1059
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: Well, you know my feeling about friendship that's paramount, you know,

1060
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: and loyalty.

1061
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 3: This is a masterclass.

1062
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 2: So we've got a couple of great guests coming up,

1063
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: so we're looking forward to doing it.

1064
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not going to say anything. We got them.

1065
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: Look Out.

1066
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: Our Way with Paul Anka and Skip Ronson is a

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: The show's executive producer is Jordan Runtogg, with supervising producer

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Speaker 2: and editor Marcy Depina.

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Speaker 1: It was engineered by Todd Carlum and Graham Gibson, mixed

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Speaker 1: and mastered by the wonderful Mary Dude.

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Speaker 2: If you like what you heard, please subscribe and leave

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Speaker 2: us a review.

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Speaker 1: For more podcasts on iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.