1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: On the dol Cast, the questions asked if movies have 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: best start changing it with the Bedel Cast. Hi, welcome 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus, my 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: name is Caitlin Drante, and we're taking a trip. We 7 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: we we're recording in Vista del Mar. Yeah, we are, 8 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: are we? What is our generations? Uh? Cool lots? Is 9 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 1: there is that? Is that just like, is there a 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: pant for our generation that will qualifies cool lots? Or 11 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: is that just kind of timeless across generations? Do you 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: remember when gauchos were a big thing among vaguely there, 13 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: I remember like Capri's was like I think that's the 14 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: first that's the first distinct pant that I besides like 15 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: shorts that I remember being like, oh and like middle school, 16 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: like we would wear capris once it became March. Sure, right, 17 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: it might be. I mean gauchos were a thing for 18 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: maybe like two years when I was like a sophomorish 19 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: in college, so you might owner couchos. Describe these they're 20 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: basically the same thing as cool Lots, just with a 21 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: different name. They look very comfortable now that I'm like older. 22 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm five years old now and like these pants, Like 23 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: I understand the appeal of cool. I used to make 24 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: fun of my mom's pants constantly, but it turns out 25 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: that they were she was She was right. I was wrong. 26 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: I was wearing like low rise jeans and had a 27 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: death wish. You know. So, this is our podcast where 28 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: we take a look at your favorite movies using an 29 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: intersectional feminist lens, using the Bechdel test as a jumping 30 00:01:55,120 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: off point for discussion. But what is that? Well, sometimes Himes, 31 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: it's when a woman named Barbe and another woman named 32 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: Star talk to each other about something other than a 33 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: man for most of the movie. Um, but I guess 34 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: more generally, our version of the test is when two 35 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: people of any marginalized gender with names speak to each 36 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: other about something other than a man and they have 37 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: a you know, meaningful conversation, meaningful to the to the narrative. Yeah, 38 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: and yeah, we're recovering Barb and Star go to Vista 39 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: del mart today. I'm so excited to cover this movie, 40 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: and we have an incredible guest with us. Oh my gosh, 41 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: we sure do here. That was that was my Midwest attempt. 42 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: I literally I did, okay, we I did check with 43 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: my my boyfriend's mom, who is a bona fide barbon 44 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: star type. I was like, is this do you feel 45 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: like seen by this? Do feel like made fun of 46 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: by this? And she was like, this is my favorite movie. 47 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: I love it so much. Like we gave her our 48 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: rental code for it and she flipped it is it 49 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: is Sarah from Racing Wisconsin approved And that's good enough 50 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: for me. Hell yeah. Our guest, though, is a comedian. 51 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: She has a new audiobook out called Dirtbag Anthropology. She's 52 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: the host of Reply Guys podcast. It's Kate Willett. Hello, 53 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: We're so we're so happy to have you again. I 54 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: cannot do this accent. We're so happy to have you. Yeah, 55 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: oh thank you. I'm really looking. I don't know. This 56 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: is like Tina Fains impression upstair, Palin, Yeah, yeah, so happy. Yeah, 57 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: thank you for bringing us this movie. Oh had you 58 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: not hear it? I felt like you had probably heard 59 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: of it because the person who told me about this 60 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: movie was Julia Claire, who I know is a solid 61 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: buddy of Jamie Loftus. I mean, yeah it was. It 62 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: was on my radar, but I hadn't seen it until 63 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: we started prepping for this episode. Yeah, me, neither. Actually, 64 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: I was just like this sounds good. Yeah, oh yeah. 65 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: I was so excited for this movie to come because 66 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: this this was like another movie that got pandemic, where 67 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: it was shot like two years ago, and I remember 68 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: seeing trailers for it like back when you could still 69 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: be in movie theaters, and and because I think it 70 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: was supposed to be like a summer movie last year, 71 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, that that looks 72 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: so good. I haven't seen Kristin Wig do something like 73 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: truly goofy and fun and so long. So we we 74 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: rented it the day it came out. It was awesome. 75 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: It was great. I love it, especially after Christian Wig. 76 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: I mean no, I we got a lot of requests 77 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: for Wonder Woman, and then we both watched it and 78 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: we were like, I don't I just felt nothing, and 79 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: I felt angry. I was like mad at how bad 80 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: I thought that movie was. And I was like, yeah, 81 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe we'll cover it eventually, but I'm like 82 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: it is not a priority for me because that movie Stunt. 83 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: I heard it was really bad. It wasn't great, and 84 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: it was also like I don't know, it's always like 85 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: extra frustrating when it's like someone that you know, like 86 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, Christian Wig plays like the Big Bad 87 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: in that movie, and it's just like she's boring in it. 88 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, how did you make her boring? Like that's 89 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: a that's a you problem, Patty Jenkins. Sorry, remember when 90 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: she plays a weird character and mother exclamation point? Oh 91 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: I god, I try not to think about mother exclamation point, 92 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: but that is true. And she's also I mean, she 93 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: went through We've talked about this, like I think in 94 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: our Crazy Stupid Love episode where it's like when the 95 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: like super successful comedian goes through like a phase of 96 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: movies that are all like very serious indies and some 97 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: of them are good and some of them were like what, um, 98 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: somebody had that phase. She's also, wasn't she in The Martian? 99 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: Was she? I don't remember. Have I lost touch with reality? 100 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, it doesn't I don't remember that movie 101 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: very well. I'm pretty sure. And she's in her She's 102 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: in a lot of like real slow birds. Yeah. Anyways, 103 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: this movie is a movie I actually enjoy, like all 104 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: the ones we just listed, right, Yeah, yeah, I I too. 105 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you know me, I love a romp and 106 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: this movie is like the textbook definition of a romp. 107 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: And out of ten on Caitlin's rampometer, the rampometer, I believe. Yes, 108 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Yeah, what a what? I wasn't sure 109 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: exactly what to expect. I was. I think I was 110 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: picturing kind of like a Girl's Trip esque narrative in 111 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: the sense that, like two people go on vacation and 112 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: they have a vacation. I is not expecting there to 113 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: be like an evil mastermind villain. I wasn't expecting an 114 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: evil revenge plot about killer mosquitoes. Like, yeah, it was fun. 115 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: This was like it felt like it was one of 116 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: those scripts where it just was like written in a 117 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: state of like a very open mind of like what 118 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: could we put in this movie, like Sky's the Limit, 119 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: killer mosquitoes, an underground layer, you know, every south. It 120 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: was just really funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, I guess 121 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: I should just get into the recap and then we'll 122 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: go from there, shall we. Oh yeah, and Kate feel 123 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: free to jump in at any time. The recap is 124 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: a safe space. Okay, So we open on a young 125 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: paper boy. This is Yo Yo. He is delivering newspapers 126 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: around a neighborhood and then he enters the layer of 127 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: Sharon Gordon Fisherman, whose name like I had to pull 128 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: that from IMDb because I was not sure if we do. 129 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: We hear her name, and then we call her share 130 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: in a couple of times. But yeah, I just kept 131 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: thinking of her as like bad Kristen Wig. Right, Yes, 132 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: she is played by Kristen Wig. She's like a super 133 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: villain type. And she reveals plans to unleash a swarm 134 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: of genetically engineered killer mosquitoes into an as yet undisclosed 135 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: small town. Then we cut to Barb and Star. That's 136 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: Annie Mamolo and Kristen Wig, respectively. They live in soft Rock, Nebraska. 137 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: Soft Rock. I love that so much good. This movie does, 138 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: like really reward reviewing as because I've never seen it 139 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: three times. Uh, there's something new and fun in like 140 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: the super specific details every time. Indeed, Yeah, they are 141 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: very stereotypical Western women in their forties types. They are 142 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: best friends. They are also roommates, which I did not 143 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: pick up on the first time. I watched it. Um, 144 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: but they lived together and they share a bedroom, which 145 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: is so funny, like Lucy and Ricky style. Yeah, thats 146 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: like separate full sized beds. They work at a furniture store, 147 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: which they get let go from because the whole chain 148 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: has closed seven months ago. Seven months ago. They also 149 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: get kicked out of their talking club, which is funniest 150 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: joke I've ever heard, and like full of like recognizable 151 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: like great female character actors. There's so many good it was, Yeah, 152 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: just wonderful. I love this Talckey club so much, like 153 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: it's like a book club, but it's a talking club. 154 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: No books. Yeah, booklet for women who I've never read 155 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: a book before. Watching Vanessa bearbe so extremely cruel to 156 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: whoever was locked out of talking club is so good. 157 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: I kept wondering who was like doing the voice of Gail, 158 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: the woman who gets locked out. I forgot to look 159 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 1: it up though. Also that um that the hot dog 160 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: soup triggered my fight or flight reflex, because so, I 161 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: mean it's like and I've seen I know that that's 162 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: like poking fun at Midwestern food, some of which is 163 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: genuinely baffling to me and very thick it's rich. A 164 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: lot of textra dishes out there. I honestly like would 165 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: eat that soup though, Yeah, that is delicious, is the 166 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: thing too, It just like looks like it's already been eaten. 167 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: Y Yeah. Anyway, So Barb and Star are kind of 168 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: down on their look at the moment, and they also 169 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: realized that all the fun times that they used to 170 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: have together were from years before, and they feel that 171 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: they've lost their shimmer. So when their friend tells them 172 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: about a vacation she just took to Vista del Mar, Florida, 173 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: they decide to take a trip together as well. Meanwhile, 174 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: Sharon Gordon Fisherman gives one of her henchman Edgar played 175 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: by Jamie Dornan uh a microchip which he will need 176 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: to activate the receiver, which is going to attract all 177 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: of the killer mosquitoes, which is confusing and also doesn't 178 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: super matter if you don't fully write process the plot. 179 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: It was very Black Mirror that element, you know. It 180 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: was like kind of like Austin Powers meets Black Mirror. 181 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: I also loved the Jamie Dornan casting, like it was 182 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: such a like watching it again last night, I was like, well, 183 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: it's such a like because I feel like that's happen. 184 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of other examples of like a 185 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: guy who is mostly known for being hot all of 186 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: a sudden, like you're like, oh wait, and he's pretty 187 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: entertaining and he's trying so hard in this movie in 188 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: a way that it like and I mean that is 189 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: like a compliment where if he knew he was funny, 190 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 1: the performance wouldn't be like as good. I feel like 191 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: he's performing as if he's like is this working, like 192 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: full commitment, Like yeah, yeah. I feel like another example 193 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: of that would be Um. One of the Chris is 194 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: Chris Hemsworth in his role in The Ghostbusters when he's 195 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: like this goofy guy. I vaguely remember that because we 196 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: covered that movie, but I feel like it just it 197 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: just left my body. When that's acceptable hot guy trying 198 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: to be funny. Um, you know, it's hit or miss, 199 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: but sometimes it in. It worked with Jamie Dornan. It 200 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: works because Yeah, the only thing I've ever seen him 201 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: in was like the fifties Shades trilogy, and I was like, 202 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: oh Jesus, I refused to watch those movies, but that 203 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: is so funny that he's famous for is like being 204 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: like the hitting guy and then no, he's like this 205 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: like a you know, very gentle character who was obsessed 206 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: with being in an official relationship. Yeah, that was my 207 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: favorite part of the entire movies. It's so funny. Yeah. 208 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: I also I just just a quick Jamie dorn in fact, 209 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: because I knew nothing about this man. I also detested 210 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: the Fifty Shades movies and everyone's bad in those movies 211 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 1: because the movies are bad. Um. But he started as 212 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: a model, which I guess isn't super surprising. But there 213 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: was a time in the early two thousands where he 214 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: was known as the Golden Torso the New York Times. 215 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: So he's it's like, I don't know. I mean, we 216 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: talked about women being objectified a lot, but yeah, he 217 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: The New York Times declared him the Golden Torso okay, 218 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: two thousand one, so you know, shout out to the 219 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: Golden Torso. Good for him. I feel like, by the 220 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: time you give a nickname involving the word torso, there's 221 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: there's just no gray area with are you objectifying this person? 222 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like piece by piece literally right? 223 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: But I love it. I'm thrilled that the Golden torso 224 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: got to like show his skills. This is his time. 225 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: I mean talking about a shimmer like he is shimmering 226 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: all over this movie. Cute accent too, that was my I. 227 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: When I saw his picture, it was like, I'm not 228 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: going to have a celebrity crush on him, But when 229 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: I heard the accent, I was starting to feel more 230 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: flexible on that point. He's Irish in real life, right, 231 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: he is from Northern Ireland. And also I couldn't tell him. 232 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: I was like, is he like trying to do because 233 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: there in some scenes and like is he trying to 234 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: sound American right now? Like his accent is like all 235 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: over the place. But I just don't care. I love it. 236 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: He's the son of a gynecologist. Listen, I read his 237 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: whole Wikipedia page. There are so many things I relate 238 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: too about this guy. Already perfect poor so colleges, former model, 239 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: I had the same life. Yeah, he's an everyman um 240 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: so he has been given this like microchip or whatever 241 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: which he will take to Vista del Mar and activate 242 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: because that's going to attract the killer mosquitoes. And also, 243 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: like you mentioned, Kate Edgar is in love with Sharon 244 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: and all he wants is to be an official couple 245 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: with her, but it's clear that she is stringing him 246 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: along and that she doesn't want to be an official 247 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: couple with him. So then Barbin star fly to Vista 248 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: del Mar. On the flight, they talk about an imaginary 249 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: woman named Trish the whole flight tragically died, who tragically 250 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: died and turned into a water spirit. And I only 251 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: mentioned that now because we've out a Chekhov's Trish happening. 252 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: Um Goddess ex machina right right. And then there's this 253 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: whole thing where they like, they go to the wrong 254 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: hotel and it turns out there staying in a crummy motel. 255 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: But then they managed to get a room in the 256 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: nice hotel after all, and that's where Edgar is staying, 257 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: and they meet him when they're all drinking at the 258 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: hotel bar, and they end up hanging out with him 259 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: all night. They drink a bunch, they take drugs, They 260 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: dance to a techno remix of My Heart Will Go On. 261 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: And as soon as that's where I became convinced that, yeah, 262 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: that's like because that's like thirty five minutes in, and 263 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: like I liked, I was like this is a really 264 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: funny movie, like up until that point, but as soon 265 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: as I heard like Doo Doo, Doo doo, I was like, 266 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: this movie is for me. Well, the music that I 267 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: loved in this was they had Richard Cheese in the movie. Yes, 268 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: Richard Cheese is such a kind of classic gen X guy, 269 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it felt like perfect 270 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: to like their age, and you know, it was great. 271 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: I remember like a boy in high school being like 272 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: showing me Richard Cheese because his like uncle had showed 273 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: him and being really blown away like Richard Cheese and 274 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: the Mighty Bush was just like it. Yeah, I was. 275 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: It was so nice to see him. I was like, wow, 276 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: like gen Z gets Richard Cheese. Now, good for them, Okay. 277 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: So they danced to all this music together and then 278 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: they spend the night together and Edgar leaves the next morning, 279 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: but oh no, he's lost the micro chip which activates 280 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: the mosquito thing or something or something. So Sharon has 281 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: to call this like secret spy man who she knows 282 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: to come in and fix Edgar's mistake. Q Edgar singing 283 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: a song which goes something along the lines of sea 284 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: goes in the sin Can you hear my prayer and 285 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: oh my god, it's the best part of the movie. 286 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: I think it's great. Yeah, there's I don't know if 287 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: this has been mentioned so far, but there are multiple 288 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: musical numbers in this film. It's not a musical, but 289 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: it is music inclusive. Yeah, because there's that big that 290 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: big number when they first got to the hotel and 291 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: then they found out at the motel and the songs, 292 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: and a number is exactly the right sort for it. 293 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: It is a number. It is a number, a show 294 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: stopper fifteen minutes then m rouge, but like like midwestern 295 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: Mulan rouge. It really is like so fun to see, 296 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: like just see what people do if they have enough 297 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: money to do what ever they think is funny, because 298 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: then then just very much feels like what this movie is. 299 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: It's like, Wow, we could actually get a budget to 300 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: do what like the weirdest ship we can think of. Great. Um, 301 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: So Edgar sings his song, which is my favorite part 302 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: of the movie. I listened to it on repeat this morning. Um. Meanwhile, 303 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: Barb and Star are pretending to have forgotten all about 304 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: Edgar from the night before, but they secretly both went 305 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: to see him again. So first, Barbe sneaks out to 306 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: go talk to him, but then she realizes that her 307 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: and Edgar aren't really meant to be and she values 308 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: her friendship with Star more than a man, so she 309 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: goes back to her in Star's room, but then Star 310 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 1: goes out to meet up with Edgar has a very similar, 311 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: if not identical, conversation to the one that Barbe and 312 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: Edgar just had, But then he and Star have sex, 313 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: which is a secret a Star keeps from Barbe. I 314 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: do love that, do that? Like Barb is such a 315 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: like champion. She's like, I can't do this, like I 316 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: need to respect my friend, and then Stars like, um, 317 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: we can only fuck twice? Yeah I will, and they like, 318 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: I feel like we skipped over. Did they also fucked 319 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: each other in the three Zone? Because I thought that 320 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: was a brave pie. It's like they had sex together 321 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: in the first night and reference to sex and it 322 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: was I thought that was kind of an interesting aspect 323 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: of that. They portrayed it as kind of a no 324 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: big deal. Oh yeah, yeah, is so yeah that they 325 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: move on immediately, Like if you left two pe, you 326 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: would not know that they sucked each other. It never 327 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: comes up again, really right. Yeah, they're just normalizing having 328 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: three sons with your friends. Meanwhile, Sharon's associate, a spy 329 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: by the name of Darley Bunkle played by Damon Wayne's Jr. 330 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: Contacts Edgar to assist him. I love that. I love 331 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: the scene where they're on the phone scene is my favorite. 332 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: I think his first scene where it's like no, I 333 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: have to go. Oh, he's great. And then back at 334 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: Sharon's lair, she explains her backstory to Yo Yo, which 335 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: is that when she was young, her family moved to 336 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: Vista del Mar, where she was bullied for her pale skin, 337 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: and then after an incident which like utterly humiliated her, 338 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: caused her father to suffer a heart attack and die 339 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: and caused her mother to leave her, and she got 340 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: launched onto a Disney Cruise ship out of a cannon. Uh. 341 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: Sharon vowed to seek revenge on all of the residents 342 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: of Vista del Mar, hence this big revenge plot. As 343 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: a child, she very much it's like full on Wednesday 344 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: Adam's aesthetic. Yeah, yeah, I I have some things to 345 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: say about all of that. I was curious if we're 346 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: going to talk about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll 347 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: get there. Meanwhile, Star sneaks off to spend more time 348 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: with Edgar, and then while that's happening, Barb is doing 349 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of like fun stuff that she and Star 350 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: were supposed to do together. They both feel really bad 351 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: about lying to each other, and then Barbe finds out 352 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: about Star's love affair with Edgar, and Edgar is about 353 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: to like call off the whole Mosquito plan because he's 354 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: falling out of love with Sharon and in love with Star. 355 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: But anyone who's in Kristen Wiggs body, he's right, well, 356 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: I feel like to be fair. That feels like what 357 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: a lot of us do, like, you know, for me, 358 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: it's not christ and Wiggs body, but it's like some 359 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: unkempt man with Beard, you know, just like switch him out. 360 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: He's got a type. He's got a type. But then 361 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: Sharon convinces Edgar that Barb and Star are spies and 362 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: that he needs to kill them. Meanwhile, Barbon Star confront 363 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: each other about lying, but then Edgar comes in and 364 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: ties them up, and then Sharon abducts them. Alligators are 365 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: about to eat them, but they managed to escape with 366 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: the help of their cool lots, which if you're not 367 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: familiar and you haven't seen the movie. First of all, 368 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: go see the movie. But they're these like very flowy 369 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: capri type pants that are like very skirt and shorts 370 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: mixed together. Basically, I didn't know that that's what those 371 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: were called until this movie. They go by many names. 372 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. I think I'm gonna buy some. 373 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: I know's I mean, they can truly save your life. Yeah, 374 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: as we see in this movie. One of my favorite 375 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: back told test passes of this movie was Kristin Winn 376 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: telling the other Kristen Wig to jump off a cliff. Yeah, 377 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: it's it was a very feminist moment of the film. 378 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: It's incredible. So then they run off to stop the 379 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: mosquito attack, but oh no, Sharon had already triggered the 380 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: receiver to attract all the mosquitoes. So then they fight 381 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: with Sharon in the middle of the ocean. The mosquitoes 382 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: attack Sharon and then Barb and Star are brought safely 383 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: back to land by Trish, the water spirit lady who 384 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: they had brought up on their flight, who is played 385 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: by Reba McIntyre. And then Sharon shows back up with 386 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: like all these mosquito bites, but then she learns the 387 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: power of friendship and she becomes friends with all of 388 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: the residents of Vista del Mar and then Barb and 389 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: Star get their shimmer back and they ride a banana 390 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: boat together and that's the end of the movie. Love it. 391 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: So let's take a quick break and then we will 392 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: come back to discuss and we're back. We're back, Kevin, 393 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: you brought this up during the recap, so I kind 394 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: of just wanted to like touch on it at the top, 395 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: the stuff with Sharon's back story doing because they're so 396 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: I have so many um compliments to shower on this movie, 397 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: so I think let's let's start with the stuff that 398 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: um I guess. Yeah, so for me, And this is 399 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 1: something that we talked about pretty recently on our divincion. Okay, yes, 400 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: we're going to say on the same page. Yes, yes, yes, 401 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: so that was a Matreon episode. But what we brought 402 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: up then and now is the trope of the evil 403 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 1: albino villain character. And while Sharon Gordon Fisherman doesn't specifically 404 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: have albinism, because she has a made up condition called 405 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: pigment tosh Tadia degenera hysterica white Skinneka, this condition seems 406 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: to have pretty similar characteristics of albinism, and because she 407 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: is the villain of this movie, I feel like we 408 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: could pretty safely like put her in the category of 409 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: this trope, which is obviously very harmful and its depiction 410 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: of people with albinism, portraying them as being villainous, untrustworthy, 411 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: ill intentioned. Yeah, I totally agree with you. It is 412 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: definitely a trope we see all all the time. I 413 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: mean there's I think movies that weaponize this trope to 414 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: varying degrees, and the Da Vinci Code and Barbon Star 415 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: are certainly very different weaponizations of this trope. But it's 416 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: just like kind of stunningly lazy, given how thoughtful so 417 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: many elements of the movie is, and it and it, 418 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: and it just like does end up kind of coming 419 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: off as a lazy, ablest choice that feels like it's 420 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: fifteen years old, even though most of the movie, for 421 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: we felt so modern, and I would be interested in 422 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: hearing what listeners think, particularly listeners with albinism. Well, I mean, 423 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: even beyond that, it's also just like the trope of 424 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: like the villain is the person who doesn't look like 425 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: everyone you know, or the villain of somebody with some 426 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: kind of medical condition, you know, it's kind of ablest. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, 427 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: she's mothered in this particular way. And because she has 428 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: such pale skin, she's got like pale eyes, she has 429 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: an extreme sensitivity to the sun. Yeah, it felt to me, 430 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: even though again they don't identify it as albinism, I 431 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: think it's yeah, definitely coded. Yeah, so I was very 432 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: disappointed to see that in a movie that came out 433 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: this year. You would think that we've you know, we've 434 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: moved past that, but yeah, it turns out no, Yeah, yeah, 435 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: I agree, And and it's especially frustrating in a movie 436 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: that like avoid so many tropes that would have been 437 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: very easy in like a movie with this tone. Yeah, 438 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: like mothering, your villain is always going to have connotations 439 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: to it, and like, I mean, no one else in 440 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: the movie is is mothered in that way. Yeah exactly. 441 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: I was. Yeah, I was like put off by that. 442 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: I still really like the movie, but I was like, oh, really, 443 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: come up, Like why so that I didn't love um? 444 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,239 Speaker 1: The other thing that kind of I was like, oh 445 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: really this is in the movie was there's there's a 446 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: Morgan Freeman joke. Yeah, that was I was just like, 447 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: that's what year was this script written? Because yeah, I'm 448 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: just like, did they not get the memo that he 449 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: has a history of like harassing women on movies sets? 450 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: Did did they not? I don't know. So yeah, I'm 451 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: surprised to see that there. I wish it could have 452 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: been any other old actor, you know, like and you 453 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: would have had the same joke. I also felt like 454 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: the I forgot that the child's name yo yo yo yo. Yeah, 455 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: that was kind of uh. I don't know that. There 456 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: was definitely aspects of his depiction that felt like they 457 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: were heavily relying on stereotypes along those lines. I felt 458 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: too that like there's a couple of moments in the 459 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: movie where there's there's a music cue that sounds like 460 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: kind of native flute and drumming, yeah, which like the 461 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: Tommy Bahama stuff mostly, And I'm interested to hear what 462 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: our native listeners think about that, but to me, it 463 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: feels like just kind of like a weird and like 464 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: appropriative thing to have in a movie with no native 465 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: people it. Yeah, so just yeah, just like lazy writing too, 466 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: just not Yeah, I think he was supposed to be 467 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: like some kind of shaman, but like of of what 468 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's just like the kind of general magical 469 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: shaman guy. You know. It's also I didn't I don't 470 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: know why I didn't realize on my first watch that 471 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: that was literally Andy Garcia. But it's also he's not 472 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: credited as Andy Garcia, is credited to Oh my God. 473 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: So I think maybe that's why. Not to brag or anything, 474 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: but I did recognize him as Andy Garcia. I just 475 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: have an eye for Andy. Um. Yeah, there, and and 476 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: those aspects. I mean that the three things that we 477 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: just touched on, it did feel like the elements because 478 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: this very much feels like an SNL movie to me, 479 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: even though it isn't. And those moments kind of like 480 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: paying the part of your brain that, like most SML 481 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: movies do not hold up for reasons like this of 482 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: like a huge plat point that is extremely homophobic, a 483 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: huge plot point that is extremely racist that you know, 484 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: most of those movies, even for fans of them, like 485 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: they you can't really make much of an argument for 486 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: large aspects of them. And I mean they're they're smaller 487 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: in this movie, but they're definitely still present. Yeah, right, 488 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: I mean the movie is also like I mean, like 489 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: all all four main characters are white people too. It's like, 490 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I get, like, you know, the whole thing 491 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: is that they're from the Midwest and stuff, but yeah, 492 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: that's not like what the whole Midwest is, you know. Yeah, 493 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: the Midwest is like, I mean, not as diverse as 494 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: other areas of the country, but it's not all white people. 495 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: And there were definitely like opportunities for there to be 496 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: more diversity because it's like, I mean, even in Talking Club, 497 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: I think the only person who isn't white is um 498 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: Rose ab Do, who is one of my favorite character actors. 499 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: Have been watching her since she was on Gilmore Girls. Okay, y, yeah, 500 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: there aren't that many characters of color, and the ones 501 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: who are present in the story are relegated to more 502 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: like secondary or tertiary characters. So I was also honestly surprised. 503 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: I guess we're just going to get all our agreements 504 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: out at the top. I was, honestly, this isn't even 505 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: really a criticism. I was just surprised that this movie 506 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: was directed by a guy. I like, it's such a 507 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: movie centered on middle aged women that I was like 508 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: that I just I didn't even realize, like realize until 509 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: later on. I was like, oh, this is directed by 510 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: a guy named Josh. Just would not have expected that 511 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: in this case. Yeah, I mean directed by a guy. 512 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,239 Speaker 1: That's one thing, a guy named Josh. That's even an 513 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: escalation right there, you know that, that's twisting the knife. Yeah. 514 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: Written though by Kristen Wig and Annie Mamlow, and the 515 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: movie also has a number of producers who are women, 516 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: including Jessica Elbaum, who founded Gloria Sanchez Productions, which is 517 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: a production company that focuses on producing female driven comedy projects. 518 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they also did book Smart Hustlers. Those are 519 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: the good ones. Yeah right, yeah, so um, but I 520 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: was similarly surprised that a man would have been hired 521 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: to direct this movie. So, you know, let's talk about 522 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: the fun parts. Yeah, let's do it. I love that 523 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: this is a movie about friendship between women. I love 524 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: this is that this is a movie about women in there, 525 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: like mid forties finding their shimmer because they feel like 526 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: they're kind of just fading away and they want to 527 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: rediscover themselves and like reignite their excitement for life. This 528 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: is like a version of Eat, Pray Love that I enjoy. Yeah, 529 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: it's not it's not so self serious. Obviously, you know, 530 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: this is a pretty small thing. But one of my 531 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: favorite parts of this movie was the relationships self help 532 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 1: books that the characters are reading, the Sharon's reading one 533 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: and Edgar's reading one. And I think that the one 534 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: that Edgar's reading is called something like how to feel 535 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: like someone loves you even when they don't show it 536 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: most of the time, and that Sharon's book is like 537 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: how to convince someone you love them to get them 538 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 1: to do what you want. And I just, I don't know, 539 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: that's very it's really small, but I think that that 540 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 1: was like a funny takedown of that the whole self 541 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: help industry, which is often you know, market into women 542 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: in like a pretty sex ist way a lot of 543 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: the time, you know, like versions of like hears how 544 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: to be you know, more appealing to man or accommodate 545 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 1: man or something in some way, And so I definitely 546 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: thought it was funny that they got a dig in 547 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: at that. Yeah. Yeah. Similarly, I liked that there was 548 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: kind of like a role reversal in terms of you 549 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: see this man pining after the love and affection of 550 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: this like evil mastermind woman. I feel like that's not 551 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: something you see that much in terms of like especially 552 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: like a hot former model, former Golden torso Jamie dorn Is. Yeah, 553 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: he's unapologetically sentimental. Ongoing way, we're referring to his relationship 554 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: aspirations as being an official couple, an official couple like 555 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: a fifteen year old. Yeah, but it's the kind of 556 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: thing that like, you know, like women openly expressing a 557 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: design are for you know, like commitment or sense of 558 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: mentality is often portrayed. It's like, you know, there's, oh, 559 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: there's something wrong with her, you know. And I thought 560 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: that it was Yes, I agree that it was very 561 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: fun role reversal in this movie. Yeah, especially because he 562 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: does he still respects her boundaries. He's always like, are 563 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: you ready to maybe become an official couple yet, Like 564 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: he's not like wearing her down or like hounding her 565 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: or like just like being really obsessive. But I mean 566 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,439 Speaker 1: he's kind of obsessive, but he's not like he's still 567 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: like doing this kind of from a distance. Yeah, he's anxious, 568 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: but he's not creepy, you know. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, And 569 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: I liked that those are the aspects of Sharon's character 570 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: that I really liked was like how I mean, it's 571 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: like no one should be emotionally manipulative in a relationship, 572 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: but it was a fun reversal to see, like and 573 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: like you're saying Kate with with the self help books, 574 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: and also just like in general, there are even though 575 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: one of even though Star does end up in a 576 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 1: relationship with Edgar, I felt like, especially for a movie 577 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: about middle aged women who are they're not mothers. They're 578 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: like not the type of middle aged female character that 579 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: you're kind of used to seeing, especially leading a movie. 580 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: And they don't make any of the easy, like lazy 581 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: choices that you would make with a character like that. 582 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: They're not like pining for a husband, They're not like 583 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: where are my children? Like it's just such a simple 584 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: premise of like, well, I am middle aged and I 585 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,479 Speaker 1: want to figure myself out, and like I I feel 586 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: like I've lost touch with myself. And they're also they 587 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: seem generally more concerned about how other women view them 588 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: than really anyone else. They're worried about each other, they're 589 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: worried about how the talking club perceives them, and it 590 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,839 Speaker 1: was just like a cool so I don't know, it's 591 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: like you never see that. Yeah, And I just to 592 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 1: kind of piggyback off that, Like, I thought it was 593 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: cool that they were both on journeys of self actualization. 594 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: And then you see, you know, Barbe's character, her journey 595 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: of self actualization is solo, it's involving like a lot 596 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: of adventures, and stars journey is like a relationship journey. 597 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: She's opening her heart to love and experiencing that vulnerability again. 598 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: And I felt like the film did not make any 599 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: sort of value judgment about which of those is better, 600 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: you know, and like that's good because I often feel 601 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: like even feminism asked us to kind of you know, 602 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: like either it's like independence it's good, or you know, 603 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: a relationship is good, or you know, like and it's 604 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,240 Speaker 1: just it's like often presented as very like feminist versus 605 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: not feminist, and in reality, most of us have both desires, 606 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, not everyone. But um, yeah, it was just 607 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: it was just cool to see the film kind of 608 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,800 Speaker 1: not like Barbe's journey. It's not a joke, it's not pathetic. 609 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: You know. Uh, Star's journey is not weak. I just 610 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: really liked that. Yeah. Yeah, and an element of Star's Journey. 611 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,800 Speaker 1: I mean it's only mentioned in kind of one scene, 612 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: but I like when I was watching it to prepare 613 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: for for this episode, I especially appreciated it was like 614 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: Star also talked about like her body image and like 615 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: how she as she was getting older, she was feeling unlovable. 616 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 1: She felt like she was never going to be loved again. 617 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: And then she says like the line is super goofy, 618 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,919 Speaker 1: but it was like it's where she's like, you saw 619 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: my like folds and whole, you weren't bothered by any 620 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: run away, and it's like it's a it's I don't know, 621 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 1: it's my favorite kind of joke because it's funny, but 622 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: it's not at her expense, and the response to it 623 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 1: is not cruel. And he's just like, yeah, like Edgar 624 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: is such a good active listener. Um, and I like that, Like, 625 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like harped on, but it is 626 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: like referee instant away that felt like, I don't know, 627 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: like genuine and funny. I liked it. Let's take another 628 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: quick break and then we'll come right back and we're back. Um. 629 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: You mentioned this in the in the recap Kate, but 630 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: the fact that they like they have that like steamy 631 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: threesome together the first night that they meet Edgar, and 632 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: it's clear that, like you know, the Barb and Star, 633 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: we're doing sex things to each other, and that they 634 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 1: do not make a deal of it at all in 635 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: the aftermath, which like again is like that would have 636 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: been like an easy slash lazy choice that a lot 637 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,399 Speaker 1: of comedies have done. So I'm so glad that they 638 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: did not do that in this movie. I'm thinking particularly 639 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 1: of a scene in the movie Transplanes and Automobiles where 640 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: Steve Martin and John Candy they have to sleep in 641 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: the same bed and they wake up like spooning each other, 642 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: and as soon as they realize that they are like 643 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: embracing each other, they both dash out of bed and 644 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 1: like are like, oh my god, gross. They didn't they 645 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: didn't even have sex the way that like Bartman Start did, 646 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: but they just made physical counts. They just like touched 647 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: each other and then yeah, and then but they're like 648 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: flipping out that they even like we're hugging like holding 649 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: each other. Yea. So yeah, I really liked that they 650 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: just very normalized like a couple of friends like getting 651 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: freaky on vacation with each other. Yeah, and they don't 652 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: like it's not a deal, but they don't not talk 653 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,359 Speaker 1: about it, Like they referenced the specific things they did 654 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: together in bed and you know and fun, and just 655 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: like they were talking about it the same way that 656 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 1: they talk about their their other vacation adventures, you know, 657 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 1: nothing weird. Yeah, yeah, they acknowledged it happened, but like 658 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: they're like, this isn't anything where like grossed out by, 659 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 1: are ashamed of so yeah, they just they're just like 660 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,479 Speaker 1: and now we change the subject to seashells or whatever. 661 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: Turtles turtles. Yeah. And I like how the way that 662 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: they deal with conflict too felt really good because that's 663 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,359 Speaker 1: like another area where I feel like you could get 664 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,760 Speaker 1: you know, like a lesser writing team could get super 665 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: lazy with how women are in conflict are so often 666 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 1: written in these kind of like broad tropes. But I 667 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: liked it. I mean, I thought, like, you know it, 668 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: they are on these solo journeys, and I feel like 669 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: that I didn't even really register this the first time 670 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: I watched it, but it's like, oh, that is a 671 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 1: part of their journey, is like having to be less 672 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: reliant on each other and like growing as individuals and 673 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: not being so you know, codependent in some ways, but 674 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: also still having that friendship. And when they find out 675 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: they've been lying to each other, I love that they 676 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: can't lie like that being established at the beginning is 677 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 1: so funny at talking club. Um, but you know it's 678 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: like that they're obviously piste off at each other, but 679 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: then they have these like two beautiful forgiveness scenes after 680 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 1: the cool lots and again when they think that they're 681 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: going to die right before Trish rescues them. Yeah, it's 682 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: so cute, and you know, I mean it's also like, um, 683 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,800 Speaker 1: they have there and this I think this is what 684 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 1: you're also saying, Jamie. Like they have their fight, they 685 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 1: do express like the full range of their anger and 686 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: their sense of betrayal. But it's not it's not in 687 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 1: like this cat fight way. You know. It's like how 688 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 1: real human beings engaged in serious conflicts when there's a 689 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: portrayal of trust, right, which is cool because it happens 690 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: in between all this like ridiculous ship where like the alligators. 691 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 1: The alligators. I love the scene where right right before 692 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: their fight, like they're tied together and they're like slowly 693 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 1: escaping and Jamie Dornan just like doesn't notice because he's 694 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 1: talking about himself, and yeah, that's so funny. It's so good. Well, 695 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 1: that's one of the things that I absolutely love about 696 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 1: this movie, which is you get this like extremely goofy 697 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 1: movie where I know, it's not just a goofy movie, 698 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 1: it's an extremely goofy movie where women are the leads. 699 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 1: Because like a lot of comedy movies where a woman 700 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: is the lead or where women are the lead characters, 701 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 1: they are often rom coms, and a lot of rom 702 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 1: coms are not actually very funny. There I said it, Like, 703 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: this movie actually has jokes, and it's like a rare 704 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,760 Speaker 1: example of an absurdist comedy that is female driven, because 705 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: most absurdist comedy, which I think is like my favorite 706 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 1: subgenre of comedy, Like I love absurdism, they're so male dominated. 707 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 1: Not a lot of room has been made for women 708 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 1: in this sub genre, at least like not much in 709 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 1: like in the mainstream. So I love that this is 710 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 1: just like it's so silly. You get to see women 711 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,760 Speaker 1: being very goo fee. A lot of very goofy silly 712 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: things happen in the movie, and I was just eating 713 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,440 Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, I agree that another another thing that 714 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: I liked about I don't know, the Barb, Star and 715 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: Edgar triangle, like the their dynamics. I was like, Oh, 716 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: there's like so much interesting stuff there because it's like 717 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,360 Speaker 1: it just other things that could have happened but then didn't. 718 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,319 Speaker 1: It's like we've talked about this before, but like Edgar 719 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 1: is never creepy. He's usually just listening and is maybe 720 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,840 Speaker 1: just like not the smartest person in the world, and 721 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't always pick up on other people's signals. And 722 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 1: on top of that, like in that sequence where like 723 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,320 Speaker 1: Barb and Star basically go on the same sort of 724 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: date with Edgar that they both like I don't know, 725 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,759 Speaker 1: like they just pursue him extremely directly, like without a 726 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,759 Speaker 1: hint of like insecurity or like they just show up 727 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 1: like doing the splits, like let's hang out doing like 728 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 1: yoga poses outside his door. I loved that, Like it's 729 00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,120 Speaker 1: just so funny. I really. I mean, first of all, 730 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: I love that he's like nine or ten years younger 731 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: than them, like Jamie Dornan is than Annie Mamlo and 732 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,880 Speaker 1: Kristen Wiggs. So again, you we talk about the age 733 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 1: gap in Hollywood a lot where there's again just a 734 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:26,560 Speaker 1: tendency to have aging men and they're like female co 735 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,879 Speaker 1: stars will be like twenty five years younger than them, 736 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 1: and it's rare to see like an older woman and 737 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,279 Speaker 1: a younger man. So I appreciated that you have that 738 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,279 Speaker 1: just representation on screen. And they don't mention it either. 739 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,040 Speaker 1: They're not like, whoa cougar? You know? Right? Yeah? Right, yeah, 740 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,359 Speaker 1: it's just normalized. And then I really like when when 741 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: Barb is talking to Edgar on their like little walk 742 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: about around Vista del Mar and she's like, oh, you 743 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,480 Speaker 1: know what, actually, you've set me free, like our night together, 744 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,719 Speaker 1: Like that set me free. But that's all this was. 745 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,720 Speaker 1: She like realizes that she just needed like this sex 746 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 1: romp to like be the catalyst that gets her to 747 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: realize that she like can go off and do fun stuff, 748 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: but that she's not like pining after him, maybe the 749 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 1: same way that like Kristin Weig is more interested in 750 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,560 Speaker 1: him romantically. But I like that Dong touched her heart 751 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,840 Speaker 1: right exactly does that does happen? Um? So I like 752 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,560 Speaker 1: that even though they're like connection between the three of 753 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,759 Speaker 1: them initiates in this sexual encounter for all of them 754 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: all at the same time. In this threesome, but that like, 755 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,320 Speaker 1: there isn't like a love triangle after that, you know, 756 00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,080 Speaker 1: even though it does seem like they will continue to 757 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,880 Speaker 1: all three of them will be living together back in 758 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: Soft Rock, Nebraska, which I love. Like that would honestly 759 00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,200 Speaker 1: be the dream life. Like if I got to live 760 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,719 Speaker 1: with like a partner and my best friend was also there, 761 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't that be great? Yeah? I hope they don't change 762 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 1: the layout of their house at all, and just Jamie 763 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 1: Dornants in Stars then but they still all share a room. Yeah, 764 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,120 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yes, he joins the Talking Club. Oh 765 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: he would. I feel like he'd be a hit there. Yeah, 766 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: it's very something. I mean, the Golden Torso those ladies 767 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,080 Speaker 1: are going to gobble him up. He would let Phyllis 768 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 1: talk about horses. God, those cutaways, they're great. Just like 769 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: another thing that just made me laugh, The story of 770 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:41,759 Speaker 1: how Barbe's husband thought is so funny where he's like 771 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,360 Speaker 1: a Rhodeo star but he got trampled but it was 772 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,000 Speaker 1: at a like a Black Friday sale. It's so good. 773 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,879 Speaker 1: There's so many And like you said, Jamie, every time 774 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,600 Speaker 1: you watch this movie, you like pick up on like 775 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,439 Speaker 1: subtle jokes that you didn't notice the first time. It's 776 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,719 Speaker 1: just this movie is so funny. Yeah, I'm so glad 777 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,320 Speaker 1: to dig this, and I hope that I hope that 778 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,360 Speaker 1: it's like been successful enough that there will be, you know, 779 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:12,360 Speaker 1: other opportunities like this made for um, for other women 780 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,759 Speaker 1: and hopefully not a white women, you know, like and 781 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,000 Speaker 1: and sort of open the open the floodgates to movies 782 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,320 Speaker 1: like this because it is I mean, I guess that 783 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,920 Speaker 1: I can't say for sure whether it's like Bridesmaids is 784 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,360 Speaker 1: like v movie that Kristen Wig and any Mamola wanted 785 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,040 Speaker 1: to make, but I do feel like there is this 786 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 1: kind of tendency where it just takes women, even after 787 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,359 Speaker 1: they've been very successful, like way longer to be able 788 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,040 Speaker 1: to make like this is the thing I've always wanted 789 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,640 Speaker 1: to do if I could make anything, because Christen Wigg 790 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,399 Speaker 1: has been you know, she's been around for at least 791 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: fifteen years, extremely successful, and it's like just this year 792 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:56,800 Speaker 1: that you see like her like ridiculous absurd art project 793 00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:58,920 Speaker 1: come out, and I feel like, you know, that tends 794 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: to come much earlier for men. And yeah, just like 795 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,000 Speaker 1: it would be cool if if women and you know, 796 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,080 Speaker 1: all people who weren't young white guys got that got 797 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,279 Speaker 1: those same level of opportunities at the same pace, which 798 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 1: is not true, you know. Yeah, yeah, I also think 799 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,400 Speaker 1: that I don't know if I recall correctly, but I 800 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,880 Speaker 1: feel like Kristen Wigg is from kind of like a 801 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,560 Speaker 1: normal background and was not a super rich person. I 802 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,920 Speaker 1: don't know. That could be wrong, but yeah, I know 803 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,279 Speaker 1: that that is true. It feels like the people who 804 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,400 Speaker 1: are like sons and daughters of Hollywood are able to 805 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:40,040 Speaker 1: get those opportunities at an accelerated pace. Yeah. Yeah, I 806 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,600 Speaker 1: think that they're like Annie Mamma and Kristen Wigg are 807 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:47,520 Speaker 1: both from like pretty like standard middle class backgrounds um 808 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,759 Speaker 1: back when the middle class was the thing. And yeah, 809 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,560 Speaker 1: and they and they both became successful in their thirties 810 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,200 Speaker 1: and like just all, I mean that their career trajectories 811 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,120 Speaker 1: are really cool. And I just I just from a 812 00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,799 Speaker 1: sentimental point of like, that's so cool that like when 813 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:10,399 Speaker 1: best friends make a movie, I love it. It's very fun. Yeah. 814 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 1: I also learned that Christen Maig had twins last year. 815 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 1: Holy shit, that's amazing via a surrogate. She and her 816 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,240 Speaker 1: husband had twins. She's got tiny babies at her house. 817 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:27,000 Speaker 1: I just learned so much on scholarly Journal Wikipedia this week. Um, 818 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,359 Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of Yeah, I don't really 819 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,560 Speaker 1: have much else. I would just say, you know, watch 820 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:41,520 Speaker 1: the movie. There's some things in it that field dated, uh, 821 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,839 Speaker 1: that I was disappointed to see. But for the most part, 822 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 1: this is a romp. This is a very funny movie. 823 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,600 Speaker 1: The themes and in the kind of takeaways from it 824 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,480 Speaker 1: are again just like things that we don't get to 825 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 1: see that much of. And I hope, yeah, that this 826 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,800 Speaker 1: movie kind of helps pave the way for more movies 827 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:11,320 Speaker 1: like it's to be made and again, yeah, just open 828 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:16,200 Speaker 1: up doors for just more diverse and inclusive movies. Again, 829 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,440 Speaker 1: like specifically absurdist comedies. Let's see more like women driven 830 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:26,040 Speaker 1: absurdist comedies, women from all backgrounds, people of marginalized genders 831 00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:31,200 Speaker 1: from all backgrounds. We need more of it. Agree with 832 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,839 Speaker 1: actual budgets too, because you can tell this movie had 833 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:39,400 Speaker 1: like a budget ridiculous the production design with all of 834 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:46,080 Speaker 1: like the very like saturated colors and yeah, it's like 835 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,840 Speaker 1: I was looking at the poster and I was like, 836 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,960 Speaker 1: this was like reminiscent of like a Lisa Frank I 837 00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:56,000 Speaker 1: used to have like yeah, yeah, but yeah, I didn't 838 00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,200 Speaker 1: really have any anything else. No, I yeah, I UM, 839 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,839 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed this movie. I agreed that it There 840 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,480 Speaker 1: are the elements of it that are dated are super 841 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,320 Speaker 1: frustrating because it seems at so many places to have 842 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:16,359 Speaker 1: conscientiously avoided dated tropes, and so there are moments where 843 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,520 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, these are you know, gen X white 844 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:24,839 Speaker 1: women who maybe should have consulted some people. Yeah, yeah, 845 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,319 Speaker 1: it's true because it was very highlighted because they did 846 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,799 Speaker 1: handel like, there was so much about it that felt 847 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,160 Speaker 1: so original and fresh. You know that the parts of 848 00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:38,120 Speaker 1: it that were dated or you can just clich you 849 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,600 Speaker 1: didn't really stand out like a sore thumb. But I 850 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,640 Speaker 1: still love this movie. Yeah. Yeah, it passes the backtal 851 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,359 Speaker 1: test obviously, Like except for when they're talking about Edgar. 852 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,200 Speaker 1: Basically the entire time they're talking about all sorts of 853 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:57,040 Speaker 1: wild ship Trish, they have a whole turtles Turtles of 854 00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,640 Speaker 1: turtles were led to believe that they spend I'm guessing 855 00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,440 Speaker 1: what would be like as four to five hour flight 856 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,160 Speaker 1: talking about a woman named Trish that they made up. 857 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:12,160 Speaker 1: The entire time they're talking about seashells and their friendship 858 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,880 Speaker 1: bracelets and just every doesn't pass the Bechtel test. But 859 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,879 Speaker 1: one of my favorite exchanges was about Kermit's little frog legs. Yeah, well, 860 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,840 Speaker 1: does Kermit count as as a guy? I think so, 861 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,360 Speaker 1: don't identify as a as a let me check. I 862 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:34,440 Speaker 1: don't know if a non human mail is a good question. 863 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,120 Speaker 1: I didn't remember to pay super close attention to this, 864 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,640 Speaker 1: but I feel like the movie does not pass the 865 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:46,520 Speaker 1: reverse Spechtel test in that men I think don't talk 866 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,719 Speaker 1: to each other really at all in this movie. Edgar 867 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,400 Speaker 1: and Darley Bunkle, do you talk to each other? Oh? Right, 868 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,800 Speaker 1: retort right, yes, but just a little bit. Yeah. The 869 00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:01,360 Speaker 1: bulk of the conversations in this movie are between women. 870 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:06,360 Speaker 1: Oh definitely yeah, And just shout out to Darley Bunkle 871 00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:14,600 Speaker 1: and Edgar's fight in the same break. Um, Yeah, this 872 00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,239 Speaker 1: movie is so fun and I hope that, yeah, it'll 873 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,440 Speaker 1: it'll make my form work. So let's let's get to 874 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,040 Speaker 1: the nipple ratings, shall we? Yes? Zero to five nipples 875 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:30,120 Speaker 1: Based on how the movie fares from an intersectional feminist lens, 876 00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,759 Speaker 1: I'm going to definitely knock off some points for the 877 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:41,239 Speaker 1: really unnecessary harmful mothering of the villain, especially because again, 878 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:46,800 Speaker 1: there's such a long history of ascribing a disability or 879 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:52,000 Speaker 1: medical condition or mental illness to villains in media as 880 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,160 Speaker 1: a way to other them and to further villainize them, 881 00:55:55,560 --> 00:56:01,320 Speaker 1: which in turn demonizes and stigmatizes disabilities and conditions and 882 00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,440 Speaker 1: mental illnesses, which is obviously very harmful and there's no 883 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,640 Speaker 1: need and no excuse for that type of characterization. I 884 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,480 Speaker 1: was disappointed to see that in this movie. Um, this 885 00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,080 Speaker 1: movie is way too white. Aside from those things, there 886 00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:18,800 Speaker 1: is a lot about this movie that I really like, 887 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,320 Speaker 1: because so much of the movie is about celebrating female 888 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:30,200 Speaker 1: friendship and normalizing like women being alive in their forties 889 00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:35,560 Speaker 1: and that being okay, which most movies do not deem 890 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,560 Speaker 1: to be okay. And yeah, but they like rediscover themselves 891 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,880 Speaker 1: and their friendship is just strong, even stronger at the 892 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,120 Speaker 1: end of the movie. All those things like that, I'll 893 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,800 Speaker 1: give it. I think I'm okay with giving four nipples 894 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,239 Speaker 1: for four out of five. That might be way too high, 895 00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,400 Speaker 1: but I do love this movie. And also I fumble 896 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:05,359 Speaker 1: the nipple rating every week, so um, I'll give one 897 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,480 Speaker 1: to Barb, but one to Star. I'll give one to 898 00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,239 Speaker 1: Darley Bunkle and then my final nipple I'll give to 899 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:15,360 Speaker 1: Jamie Dornan's song about seagulls in the sand. Can you 900 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,680 Speaker 1: hear my prayer? I'll go. I guess I'll go like 901 00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:25,320 Speaker 1: four three point seven five. Ultimately the metrics meaningless. But 902 00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,760 Speaker 1: but but yeah, I I I'll kind of echo what 903 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,800 Speaker 1: you said that they're making an ablest choice in your 904 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,760 Speaker 1: villain is just I don't know, like really stood out 905 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,120 Speaker 1: in a movie that you know, as we we said, 906 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,080 Speaker 1: tries to avoid those kinds of choices. Also, it is 907 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:45,400 Speaker 1: like a very white movie and didn't need to be. Um. Yeah, 908 00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,000 Speaker 1: but but but I do love this movie. It's so funny, 909 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,520 Speaker 1: it's so well written, and I love that it's like 910 00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:56,840 Speaker 1: celebrating like long term female friendship and you know, doesn't 911 00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,480 Speaker 1: make them fixated on marriage or fixated on it's or 912 00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,800 Speaker 1: like it's just about them and like finding themselves and 913 00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:09,200 Speaker 1: whether through relationship or whether it's through um, you know, 914 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:14,560 Speaker 1: like meeting Andy Garcia whatever that means to you. Um, 915 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,400 Speaker 1: so yeah, I'll go, I guess I'll go for it, 916 00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,280 Speaker 1: and i'll um, I guess I'll just I'll just do 917 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,000 Speaker 1: two to Barb two to start, keep it simple. Nice? 918 00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,720 Speaker 1: What about you, Kate? Well, I think can I do 919 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,040 Speaker 1: point fives or you can do any increments? Yeah, okay, cool, 920 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:37,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna give it three point five. 921 00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,200 Speaker 1: And if you asked me to read this on the 922 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,320 Speaker 1: fund scale, I would say five out of five. But 923 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:47,200 Speaker 1: you know, through an intersectional feminist lens, this is a 924 00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:55,040 Speaker 1: movie about white people having a very affluent experience, even 925 00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,720 Speaker 1: if they're kind of last, and it does I think 926 00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:04,760 Speaker 1: you know, rely on racist and ablest tropes to tell 927 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,320 Speaker 1: certain aspects of the story. So I don't know. I 928 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,600 Speaker 1: would say intersectional feminism three point five, but it is 929 00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:15,240 Speaker 1: a really fun movie. Still fair, very fair, Well, Kate, 930 00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,120 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us in this discussion. 931 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,680 Speaker 1: It's been a delight. Oh, thank you so much for 932 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,600 Speaker 1: having me. Sorry. If you can hear my little cat 933 00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,880 Speaker 1: in the microphone door, he is really mad that I 934 00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,560 Speaker 1: locked him out. Well, you'll be able to return to 935 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:35,200 Speaker 1: him so soon. But first tell us where people can 936 00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,360 Speaker 1: check out your stuff, follow you on social media, all 937 00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:42,600 Speaker 1: that good stuff. So on Twitter. I am at Kate, 938 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,720 Speaker 1: will it and will it has two hours and two teas, 939 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:50,040 Speaker 1: And I am Kate dot will it same spelling on Instagram. 940 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,080 Speaker 1: I have a new audiobook out called The Dirt Egg 941 00:59:53,240 --> 01:00:01,120 Speaker 1: Anthropology that is an exploration of masculinity from my perspective, 942 01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,600 Speaker 1: which is, you know, a feminist comedian, and it's kind 943 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,280 Speaker 1: of like part mem where our part podcast, part like 944 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,720 Speaker 1: you know, research, and it's just like it was a 945 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,440 Speaker 1: really really really fun project to make. It's just available 946 01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,400 Speaker 1: on Audible Plus. And then I also have a podcast 947 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:22,440 Speaker 1: called Reply Guys with Julia Claire and it's a leftist. Yeah, 948 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,480 Speaker 1: it's a leftist feminist comedy podcast. So you know, we 949 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:31,040 Speaker 1: we are talking about stuff through uh an interstectional feminist lens, 950 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,960 Speaker 1: but it's more like news and politics and stuff. So 951 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:39,040 Speaker 1: please check it out please, and you can follow us 952 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:44,120 Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram. At Bechtel Cast, we've got our 953 01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:49,360 Speaker 1: Matreon to subscribe to. It's five dollars a month. 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