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Speaker 1: We got a special episode for y'all today. I am
Speaker 1: oh D excited about this episode.
Speaker 3: Because my guys, I grew.
Speaker 1: Up an Orlando Magic fan as a kid, and I
Speaker 1: was an Orlando Magic fan because the two people of
Speaker 1: Shock and Penny Hardaway and my first jersey in my
Speaker 1: life for Shock with the Stripes, I had an Orlando
Speaker 1: Magic simple onesie. I had an Orlando Magic nightlight. And
Speaker 1: for me, this is a dream come true. We have
Speaker 1: a fourteen year NBA veteran, four time NBA All Star,
Speaker 1: two time NBA All All, NBA First Team, Olympic Gold medalist,
Speaker 1: and the University of Memphis legend, and had basketball coach
Speaker 1: none other than the one and only Penny Hardaway.
Speaker 4: What's happening?
Speaker 5: Oh, what's happening?
Speaker 6: Fellas man Hey it's an honor, man, because I'm a
Speaker 6: fan of both. Obviously I've been knowing BD longer, but
Speaker 6: dre huge fan.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 6: The way you approach the game, the way you play
Speaker 6: the game, your mental not even your you're the physical
Speaker 6: part of the game, but your mental is O. D.
Speaker 5: Bro just a huge fan, huge fan, man.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that. That means a lot.
Speaker 1: Like I said, just for me being a fan of yours.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna get into that this episode. When I
Speaker 1: but when I heard the opportunity and they like, yo,
Speaker 1: what do I have a pinion on the show, I'm like, what, Like,
Speaker 1: it's crazy to me. So I just want you to understand, man,
Speaker 1: my love that I have for you, my appreciation for
Speaker 1: your career, for who you are as a person.
Speaker 4: I can't I can't state that enough before.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I appreciate that. It's the same here man.
Speaker 6: It's just one of those situations where just watching you
Speaker 6: just grow through the game, man, just from day one. Honestly,
Speaker 6: and again, like I said, I've known b D way longer,
Speaker 6: but as far as what you said about me, it's
Speaker 6: the same, Bro. I just every every championship, every game
Speaker 6: when I'm watching with my bigs. When I'm watching with
Speaker 6: any player, it's just pointing you out.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: We love Steph, we love Klay being there when Kad came,
Speaker 6: all of that. But I'm like, Dre, Man, you just
Speaker 6: got to watch a man. You are the type of
Speaker 6: player that I enjoyed playing with. I had bo Outlaw.
Speaker 6: I had these guys that just would run through a
Speaker 6: wall and do whatever it took and just never really
Speaker 6: got the full credit. You're getting the credit you deserve,
Speaker 6: maybe more, you need more. But at the end of
Speaker 6: the day, what you bring every day man, to pure
Speaker 6: basketball people is what we love to see.
Speaker 4: Thank you, man, And I have to echo.
Speaker 2: You know obviously my my uh looking up to you, bro.
Speaker 4: I got an opportunity.
Speaker 2: You know, I would say as a young kid when
Speaker 2: I was at u c LA to see you walk
Speaker 2: in the gym, uh, and I would say, just throughout
Speaker 2: my career, you've always been a guy, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And you know from what we saw in
Speaker 2: Orlando to the entertainment to just always how you carried
Speaker 2: yourself and then for me being a young dude in
Speaker 2: the gym, you know, like the way the way you
Speaker 2: baptized me in the game.
Speaker 4: That was a cold move. You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: That was cold. That was cold because I picked you
Speaker 4: up full court.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. You had the ball was
Speaker 2: at U c l A. I was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm about to pick him up. And Bro, when you
Speaker 2: looked at me, you was like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: You was like, and then you hit me with like
Speaker 2: eight moves and you know U c l A court
Speaker 2: d you feel he went in and out cross boom
Speaker 2: and then he did the smitty.
Speaker 4: Then he did that and I was like, man, I
Speaker 4: was sliding.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, hold on, dude, like I'm about
Speaker 2: to be tired of hell fucking.
Speaker 5: I remember.
Speaker 6: You were different, Man, I ain't gonna lie from the
Speaker 6: very beginning. Bro, you were way you were mature, way
Speaker 6: beyond your years in the game. You're changing speed, your athleticism,
Speaker 6: you're notledge the game, your r Q, your toughness because
Speaker 6: you had that toughness as well to go along with
Speaker 6: that game. I mean to change the heights, to change
Speaker 6: the speeds everything.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 2: You just man, you know I watched you and remember
Speaker 2: I went to Miami when we was both coming back
Speaker 2: from rehab. Man, I got a chance, you know, when
Speaker 2: we had our back, you had had some some knee isshoes,
Speaker 2: like we was both trying to make our way back, man,
Speaker 2: and then just soak up that gang from you, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, and learn how to be like
Speaker 2: bad if you want to get to that next level,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 4: It's all the fine details.
Speaker 2: And I'll never forget that because that kind of took
Speaker 2: my career, to my confidence to a whole other level.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: So you just you all, You're like, you.
Speaker 2: Are my guy. You know what I mean, You are
Speaker 2: my guy. There is nobody touching you, bro, as far
Speaker 2: as like game the ism, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Just I mean it was it was almost like you
Speaker 2: you are one of the pioneers of hip hop and
Speaker 2: who how to rap music start, how to rap music
Speaker 2: start really translating into oh, there he is, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 4: The story there he is.
Speaker 2: You want of the realist dudes to ever touched a basketball,
Speaker 2: bro and to play this league, and you know salute Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: I feel the same way about your game, bro. You
Speaker 5: were just elite.
Speaker 6: When I left UCLA, I called everybody was like, yo,
Speaker 6: Baron Davis, look out when you came into the league,
Speaker 6: you did the same thing.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 6: It was crazy how you did it at all levels.
Speaker 6: You did the same exact thing that you said that
Speaker 6: I did. Man, and the ill is dude that I've
Speaker 6: ever seen with a rock in his hands, for sure,
Speaker 6: no doubt, that's oh Man.
Speaker 3: I mean you averaging today and today I don't want.
Speaker 6: To make nobody man taking at least thirty for sure,
Speaker 6: easy thirty, easy thirty in my prime, I'm not disrespecting anything.
Speaker 6: But in this day and age, this game fits me.
Speaker 6: It's not crowded in the paint. You ain't playing your
Speaker 6: match up every possession. You know, back in the day,
Speaker 6: we played our matchup every possession, so you really had
Speaker 6: to bring it now having the five man switch out.
Speaker 2: No, I mean yeah, that would be crazy, Like what
Speaker 2: was what was getting thirty on the dubs? Nah, that's
Speaker 2: an easy thirty.
Speaker 6: I just know, Man, at six seven, I was a
Speaker 6: student of the game, Bro. It wasn't just about my
Speaker 6: athleticism and the style of I studied so hard, Bro,
Speaker 6: so I was gonna figure it out, no doubt.
Speaker 2: And talk about talk about the difference in you know,
Speaker 2: like your mentality coming into the league, you know as
Speaker 2: a rookie at rookie sensation like in that era, like
Speaker 2: you had to be a dog, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like talk about you know when you got there, Like
Speaker 2: what was your mentality knowing that, Okay, you got Mike,
Speaker 2: you got Reggie Miller, you.
Speaker 4: May have Rod Strickling, you know what I mean, it's
Speaker 4: a fight every night. What was that like?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was killer be killed, bro, that was my mentality.
Speaker 6: You gotta gu out there and kill or be killed.
Speaker 6: And those guys weren't sparing you. Back in the day again,
Speaker 6: you had to play your matchup and it wasn't much help.
Speaker 6: You're on the island by yourself. And I said, well,
Speaker 6: they have to be on the island with me by
Speaker 6: themselves too. So at the end of the day, I
Speaker 6: was six seven, I posted them up. I was like,
Speaker 6: I'm not going to play with these dudes. I'm going
Speaker 6: right to the block, I'm going around them, I'm jumping
Speaker 6: over them and for whatever you know deal like back
Speaker 6: in the day, guards couldn't play post d I guess
Speaker 6: they weren't used to being posted. And I took guards
Speaker 6: to the post and just ate off that and then
Speaker 6: obviously the floor game. You know, I had the floor
Speaker 6: game as well, but I wasn't about with people. I
Speaker 6: was about just getting the job done and trying to
Speaker 6: get the dough. And I wasn't trying to be cute
Speaker 6: fadaways and all this shit, because I ain't really with it.
Speaker 5: I'm with getting it done. And when I came in
Speaker 5: it was KIBQ.
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Speaker 5: I'd like to report a trade.
Speaker 9: Orlando has traded the draft rights to Chris Webber.
Speaker 5: To Golden State.
Speaker 9: In exchange for the draft rights to Anthony Hardaway and
Speaker 9: three future first round draft picks.
Speaker 2: All right, you were traded to the Orlando Magics for
Speaker 2: Chris Webber on Draft Night one. How did you feel
Speaker 2: about the trade. But the biggest question, Yeah you were
Speaker 2: not traded, you would have had a career at Golden State.
Speaker 2: What do you think would if unfolded as a Golden
Speaker 2: State Warrior?
Speaker 6: Yeah, first, I'll talk about being traded for my man
Speaker 6: seawb shout out to Sea web He. It was something
Speaker 6: that I auditioned for because I was doing the movie
Speaker 6: Blue Chips in LA with Shack and I was with
Speaker 6: him every single day. And the blessing behind that movie
Speaker 6: is that we played real basketball. I don't think I
Speaker 6: took five shots the whole summer. I threw him the
Speaker 6: ball every time, like Big Butler. That's what I'm going
Speaker 6: to do the whole year. I was smart because I
Speaker 6: wanted to be in Orlando. When I went to work
Speaker 6: out for Orlando, I scrimmaged with the team and took
Speaker 6: care of business. So I did really well there, and
Speaker 6: I kind of Dennis Scott and Nick Anderson were there
Speaker 6: and I'm just doing the same thing, getting them shots,
Speaker 6: getting them shots, and then whenever I had to kind
Speaker 6: of take over, I kind of took over. But really
Speaker 6: I want to let them know if I come here,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm I'm gonna be that guy to find
Speaker 6: y'all and get y'all the ball. Now, the Golden State
Speaker 6: side of it with Nelly and UH and Tim Hardaway
Speaker 6: would have been bitious as well, because man, it takes
Speaker 6: it to Tim Hardaway was done real bro. So we
Speaker 6: played one on one inside the arena with Nelly in
Speaker 6: the in the crowd watching me and Tim play one
Speaker 6: on one on my video, and I worked out for
Speaker 6: them and we played like five games. It was just
Speaker 6: to drag out. So he said, I'm gonna bring the
Speaker 6: goon in on you and he gonna tell me if
Speaker 6: you can hoop with us or not. Then Tim came.
Speaker 6: Now Nelly put Tim on me. He was like, you
Speaker 6: gotta go get him like basically he brought Tim like
Speaker 6: I'm calling I'm calling him up. So we played one
Speaker 6: on one and it was nobody in there but me,
Speaker 6: Nelly and Tim.
Speaker 5: Oh, straight one.
Speaker 6: On one in front of Nelly, Nelly sitting in the
Speaker 6: crowd just chilling, and Me and timmy going at it.
Speaker 5: And I knew I had to go at him, but
Speaker 5: Tim and much respect too.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, did you did you cook him?
Speaker 5: You know what?
Speaker 6: I can't I can't remember what the scores was honestly,
Speaker 6: I got to ask him about that, but.
Speaker 5: I know we played five games't lose all five games.
Speaker 5: He was runner in the league at the time too.
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, man, that's that's just crazy.
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 1: I think about like my draft process and like for
Speaker 1: you to say my draft workout, I played against the team,
Speaker 1: Like with all these rules and ship today, you could
Speaker 1: never do that. But that's but like, what better audition
Speaker 1: than to see exactly, like, what better audition you get
Speaker 1: out there with the guys and play like.
Speaker 6: They had their best defender on me. He was Anthony
Speaker 6: Bowie at the time. That's the guy that they put
Speaker 6: on m J all these guys, Reggie.
Speaker 2: And Yeah, but he was in the machine to be there.
Speaker 1: He was in the Washington That's hilarious. So so you
Speaker 1: entered the league in the East obviously going there with
Speaker 1: Shaq and Michael Jordan is dominating the league. What what
Speaker 1: did you what what comes to mind for you about
Speaker 1: that first matchup? Like BD, his first matchup with you
Speaker 1: is in in u c. L a jail, right, Like
Speaker 1: what was your what was your first matchup with him?
Speaker 4: Jay? And what comes to mind for you from that matchup?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: What was so crazy is he was retired at first
Speaker 6: he came back. Wow yeah yeah, so we was the
Speaker 6: dudes in the league. So when MJ came back, I said, okay,
Speaker 6: all right, all right, I know what I got to
Speaker 6: do because at this point, this is my second year.
Speaker 5: I'm ready, I'm rolling.
Speaker 6: And he came back, and he came back with a vengeance.
Speaker 6: But that first matchup was I had to let him
Speaker 6: know right away because he was that dude.
Speaker 5: Come on now, he was the dude.
Speaker 6: So I was like, all right, I took him right
Speaker 6: to the post, did what I normally did, and was
Speaker 6: trying to I was trying to put fear in him
Speaker 6: guarding me because I knew what he was gonna try
Speaker 6: to do to me on the other end, so I
Speaker 6: was trying to hit first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a battle, I mean, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Mike coming back forty five. Like when you
Speaker 2: saw Mike in forty five, was he like he ain't
Speaker 2: in the twenty three, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: So I didn't recognize the forty five. I know who
Speaker 5: that was.
Speaker 6: I was like, he's gonna be a little rusty, but
Speaker 6: this is MJ. To just be able to come back
Speaker 6: mid season. Bro fifty five against the Knicks. He had
Speaker 6: double nickels against the Knicks in the Garden second game,
Speaker 6: right right, So I'm like dog all right, cool. So
Speaker 6: when he got into the building it was forty five.
Speaker 6: We was like, you know, it's MJ. But man, we
Speaker 6: played them in the playoffs right after that, and man,
Speaker 6: Nick Anderson stole his ball and we won the game
Speaker 6: off of steal.
Speaker 5: He came back the next game in the twenty three.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, he said, I'm out of the forty five
Speaker 6: and work. When he took his jersey off, everybody saw
Speaker 6: twenty three and he looked at the crowd, crazy crazy
Speaker 6: heat us that game Game two.
Speaker 1: Even I how the NBA approved that. It's crazy in itself.
Speaker 5: There wasn't no rules like that. That's m J.
Speaker 6: He didn't care what David Stern rest in peace with
Speaker 6: sad bro. He was like, I'm rocking this. Oh, y'all
Speaker 6: got all these rules today, Savage. None of that was
Speaker 6: going on back Savage.
Speaker 2: And miss series. He changed his number. Let me get back,
Speaker 2: y'all want up?
Speaker 4: Y'all wound up?
Speaker 6: You know, they won game two and we went to
Speaker 6: Chicago in one game in games three and four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, y'all wind up, call y'all wound up getting them?
Speaker 2: That was that was an epic moment, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? I felt like that kind of puts you
Speaker 2: in a whole nother strategy.
Speaker 6: Oh no, did Big Mic is what they call him
Speaker 6: in Chicago. When you beat Big Mike, you know you're
Speaker 6: doing something Big Mike.
Speaker 1: You played, You played against MJ, You played against Cole.
Speaker 3: I think you played against Bron.
Speaker 6: Right A guess who Bron? You played Bron and I
Speaker 6: played against Many. Yeah, yeah, he came back for a
Speaker 6: couple of games and then he went right for now.
Speaker 6: He didn't even stay. He came back during that season.
Speaker 6: So I got a chance to play against all those times.
Speaker 1: Man, So tell me, like those guys, A lot of
Speaker 1: people talk about those guys being in the Gold conversation.
Speaker 4: Huh, how do you how do you look at that? Like?
Speaker 1: What do you if you say, oh, this guy is
Speaker 1: the best, that guy's the best, how.
Speaker 4: Do you look at the whole Golt conversation?
Speaker 5: Because I view it differently.
Speaker 6: Right, because Lebron got the numbers, you got MJ, who
Speaker 6: had this innate way of just hitting fifty whenever he
Speaker 6: wanted and was crazy with it and winn the championships
Speaker 6: undefeated in finals.
Speaker 5: And then he had Kobe who mimicked them.
Speaker 6: J who had IQ, who had toughness, and who had
Speaker 6: shot making ability and won championships himself. So I put
Speaker 6: them in those categories. So Lebron is the numbers guy.
Speaker 6: He got the numbers, like, that's the guy. He's got
Speaker 6: to give him that. M J being a guy undefeated
Speaker 6: in the finals I got it was, you know, first
Speaker 6: team All Defense. I can't remember how many times. I mean,
Speaker 6: come on, man, that's that's the goat yet. And then
Speaker 6: Kobe being a fearless, fearless warrior and champion who mimicked
Speaker 6: his game after m J. It's like, you gotta you
Speaker 6: gotta have all of them one A, one A, one a,
Speaker 6: but in their own different in their own different ways
Speaker 6: to me, And I'm not being political on that, because
Speaker 6: Lebron is a power forward pretty much. You know, Kobe's
Speaker 6: two guard, MJ's two guard. But Kobe mimicked his game
Speaker 6: after m J. And Kobe did a hell of a job.
Speaker 6: He was a rest piece of.
Speaker 4: Kobe all of a job carving coffee.
Speaker 2: And it's like that, it's almost like you're trying to
Speaker 2: calm carving coffee then impossible, you know what I'm saying, yea,
Speaker 2: and to actually.
Speaker 5: Do it, so yeah, yeah, and to do it.
Speaker 6: So what Kobe had when m J had a Kobe
Speaker 6: was so different, or I should say Kobe's approach versus
Speaker 6: MJ's approaching. MJ was like, I'm giving all y'all at seventy.
Speaker 6: Like if I go to Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, he
Speaker 6: did that fifty fifty fifty. I don't know how two
Speaker 6: or three times in his career. Think about going fifty
Speaker 6: to fifty fifty San Antonio, Houston, Dallas. What Kobe did
Speaker 6: when he had problems was I'm marking Penny Hardaway down
Speaker 6: on my list, I'm marking down on our list. I'm
Speaker 6: putting Gary Payton on my list. I'm putting all these
Speaker 6: top dudes on my list, and I'm gon knock him
Speaker 6: out one by one. MJ never see said, I ain't
Speaker 6: doing none of that. I'm just coming in and I'm
Speaker 6: killing y'all. So Kobe had to start off a little
Speaker 6: sloor rookie year. He kind of struggled a little bit,
Speaker 6: but then you're in LA and then he just you
Speaker 6: knew he was coming though, but he made this list
Speaker 6: of names, and boy did he scratch off he especially
Speaker 6: all the names off that lab.
Speaker 2: And then, man, I want you to talk about because
Speaker 2: to me, like you see Magic Johnson and then the
Speaker 2: next iteration of somebody that's six eight sixty seven with
Speaker 2: dimes offensive talent leadership, like the next version was Penny Hardaway.
Speaker 4: How much of an influence did like Magic? Have you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Or who are some of the
Speaker 4: people that you patterned your game after, you know? Coming up?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was strictly Magic for me because how he
Speaker 6: approached the game. You're talking about a fierce competitor, talking
Speaker 6: about somebody that was happy to make everybody else better.
Speaker 6: You talk about somebody that was gonna win at all costs.
Speaker 6: Champion did whatever it took. Played five spots in the NBA.
Speaker 6: Who can say one guy played five spots like that
Speaker 6: throughout his career and.
Speaker 5: He was a PG six nine PG.
Speaker 6: He wasn't the most athletic, he wasn't the most the
Speaker 6: fastest dude. He was getting picked up ninety four feet
Speaker 6: by guys. He understood ikey on how to get the
Speaker 6: ball into a position when somebody bigger played him. He
Speaker 6: had all the shots he developed, the sky hook he
Speaker 6: posted up he made. I mean, it was just ridiculous.
Speaker 6: So for me, it was magic all the way. Man,
Speaker 6: just watching him a lot of and.
Speaker 1: You just mentioned him tim Hardaway the Texas two step,
Speaker 1: But for us growing up, we called it Timmy. You know,
Speaker 1: the twin cross. Yeah, that's the Timmy. Yes, like for
Speaker 1: us growing up, Yeah, Andrew.
Speaker 3: Wiggins does this move.
Speaker 1: I knew exactly where it came from the first time
Speaker 1: I seen it, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: he just hit him with the penny.
Speaker 3: How did you come up with that?
Speaker 4: Movie?
Speaker 3: And you was doing it from three, which I think.
Speaker 1: Is absolutely insane, Like people don't understand how far away
Speaker 1: the NBA three point line is from the round. To
Speaker 1: have the strain to do that move from three, it's
Speaker 1: insane to me, Like where, how did you come up
Speaker 1: with that move? And why do you think it is
Speaker 1: that the more guys don't use it because you you
Speaker 1: create so much separation with it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think for me, you know, shout out to
Speaker 6: Keith Askings, who was one of the best defenders in
Speaker 6: the league. He was kind of overreactive. Any little flinch
Speaker 6: I made, he went for it. So me, I'm studying
Speaker 6: them every game. I'm like, in that moment, because I
Speaker 6: only used that move, you'll never see end of that
Speaker 6: move ever.
Speaker 5: In my career.
Speaker 6: Again, I was all about getting space and shifting you, right,
Speaker 6: So I knew if he was gonna go for the
Speaker 6: half half spin, I had already planned it out in
Speaker 6: my head and it just happened.
Speaker 5: In the moment.
Speaker 6: I said, if I have spin this dude, he's gonna
Speaker 6: be there because he was just that type of defender,
Speaker 6: and I'm just gonna separate with a step back. And
Speaker 6: when I hit the half spin and saw him there,
Speaker 6: I just hopped back. He didn't know I was gonna
Speaker 6: do that, Obviously I did, And when I did it
Speaker 6: and shot it, I was in such a rhythm.
Speaker 5: Man, it was time. At that point. Everything was going in.
Speaker 6: But that was one time I did that move and
Speaker 6: I never tried it again because my mind just worked
Speaker 6: to try to shift you and I knew what type
Speaker 6: of defender he was. And the reason why to go
Speaker 6: to the second part of that question, God don't do
Speaker 6: it anymore. God's ain't playing d that hard to leave
Speaker 6: no more for them to actually have to try to
Speaker 6: do that feeling and you're a great defendier. So you
Speaker 6: know what I mean by that, I'm not knocking, but
Speaker 6: they're not playing. He that hard to have to make
Speaker 6: you shift him like that for sure.
Speaker 4: No, you only got a couple of guys.
Speaker 1: That's like really picking the guy up in their chest
Speaker 1: like that you talking to guy. But then also another
Speaker 1: thing is though you can't touch players today, like.
Speaker 4: You imped any movement. But dudes they calling them.
Speaker 2: Follow the dudes ain't a frank, Like dudes are afraid
Speaker 2: to get embarrassed, right, It's more like being afraid to
Speaker 2: get dropped or dunked on or in the highlights where
Speaker 2: it was more so like I feel like you know
Speaker 2: your era and then a little bit and then my
Speaker 2: era was more so you're trying to get on Sports Center,
Speaker 2: right yeah, So you know, I just feel like it's
Speaker 2: just a difference, Like dudes are nervous, Like, man, I
Speaker 2: ain't about to go hard on defense and then be
Speaker 2: sitting on the floor.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, nobody wants that.
Speaker 6: Look, I look at the approach. Like jay Z said
Speaker 6: in his line, y'all respect the one who got shot.
Speaker 6: I respect the shooter. Remember that person? I respect the
Speaker 6: defender that gets up and he gets droped, he gets
Speaker 6: back up and come at you again. I respect that
Speaker 6: more so than the shot.
Speaker 5: So that's me.
Speaker 1: You know when you look at that, when you look
Speaker 1: at the NBA, like you said, you said magic on
Speaker 1: to I'm sure you still watch the NBA something today
Speaker 1: when you look at it, who do you have your
Speaker 1: top three guys as far as handle that came through
Speaker 1: the league or.
Speaker 5: That came through the league. Paul Crawford is one of
Speaker 5: them for sure.
Speaker 10: Okay, crossovers over Kyrie and Man, it's a lot of
Speaker 10: guys that had beat he had crazy handles, but he
Speaker 10: wouldn't He was freakings with it as well.
Speaker 6: But you're talking about God that displayed it every move.
Speaker 6: He was about blowing around you. But these guys are
Speaker 6: like Kyrie, he'll hit you, beat you, pull back. We're
Speaker 6: talking about them type of guys the same thing. So
Speaker 6: you're talking about and then Step has handles. He could
Speaker 6: do whatever he's want with that thing too, man, so
Speaker 6: and then to be able to get that out from
Speaker 6: three to the same handles. So right now I can
Speaker 6: put Step in that category because man, he works at
Speaker 6: it and he gets separation better.
Speaker 4: Than the other.
Speaker 5: He don't you knowed this much room.
Speaker 6: But the big the big guys with the handle to
Speaker 6: me were j C and uh and and Uh Kyrie
Speaker 6: and I'll put.
Speaker 4: Step strickly until I always put rock.
Speaker 6: Don't even start with him, Bro, that dude was ridiculous.
Speaker 6: He was ridiculous. He was Kyrie. I'm talking about just
Speaker 6: about handles. Yeah, Rod Strickland was was crazy with it.
Speaker 4: Bro, yeast.
Speaker 5: I did.
Speaker 4: I did go ahead.
Speaker 11: Kenny Anderson, Hey, Bro, I used to make me some
Speaker 11: mad in practice because he would be killing and.
Speaker 4: You know how he is. You're like, come on, you know,
Speaker 4: we're just playing ball, yo, come on up yo.
Speaker 2: And I would be in practice, like trying to follow him,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and he just be killing.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna lose my spots and this dude,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of the greats, though, the one debate that
Speaker 1: comes up all the time, it's the ninety six Olympic team.
Speaker 1: What's better than the ninety two Dream Team? Where where
Speaker 1: do you stand as far as those teams go? Obviously
Speaker 1: you are a part of the ninety sixteen, but you know,
Speaker 1: and and seeing how those two teams went about Yeah.
Speaker 6: No, all our idols are on ninety two. Bro, we
Speaker 6: bound out the ninety two. You got to, bro, you
Speaker 6: got to show love and respect to ninety two. But
Speaker 6: we ain't bound out. Nobody else thought, whoa, okay, Wow,
Speaker 6: let's go.
Speaker 4: Let's go through the match.
Speaker 5: Nobody else, let's go through the match. Let me see,
Speaker 5: let me go through the man. Nobody else. Come on,
Speaker 5: we can talk about that.
Speaker 4: Jay, go what's the fine. I'll be one.
Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be one hundred percent honest. I want
Speaker 1: to flex my muscle a little bit. I got two
Speaker 1: of them things, but I'll be one hundred percent honest.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm always keeping real. I'm not a part
Speaker 4: of some of the great this Olympic teams of all times.
Speaker 1: I got on my first Olympic teams because some guys
Speaker 1: didn't want to go because of the xecra virus in Brazil.
Speaker 3: So how the guys ain't want to.
Speaker 1: Go, I'm like, oh, you're gonna have to see me.
Speaker 4: I'm going.
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna sit here and even act like
Speaker 1: one of my Olympic teams could compete, because I'm sitting
Speaker 1: here looking at this team list and no, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna do that. I'm always keeping no chance. Would we
Speaker 1: would have Probably we had a good team, like a
Speaker 1: really good team, but I'm just not sure her team
Speaker 1: could compete with this team.
Speaker 4: So I'm not I'm not even gonna do.
Speaker 2: I think y'all match up with uh, this past Olympic
Speaker 2: team though.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, they were really good, you know, And it's
Speaker 6: just to me. I mean we had that, we had
Speaker 6: the big yeah, you know what I mean, we had
Speaker 6: all the big Charles.
Speaker 1: Barkley, Gray Hill, Anthony hard Way, David Robers and Scottie Pipper,
Speaker 1: Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller, Karl Alone, John Stocked, and Shaquille O'Neill,
Speaker 1: Gary Paynon. How came oldge one, I'm sorry, I hell.
Speaker 4: A team crazy, that's crazy.
Speaker 5: And shout out the GP. GP is my dog.
Speaker 6: GP got closer doing that Olympics in ninety six because
Speaker 6: we was we were. We would go every time you
Speaker 6: went to Seattle, you had a problem, you had to
Speaker 6: go to bed talking about GP. That so we never listened.
Speaker 6: Everybody can debate their own Olympic team. Like Dre said, man,
Speaker 6: it was an honor to represent the country. Like you said,
Speaker 6: people didn't want to go he went, come on, Bro.
Speaker 6: That was a blessing. But honors was in the States
Speaker 6: in Atlanta, which to me was even more special because
Speaker 6: my family could come. Even if it would have been
Speaker 6: out of the country, it would have been cool, but
Speaker 6: just to represent the country was cool.
Speaker 4: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Ya.
Speaker 4: I want to ask you a couple of questions.
Speaker 1: And obviously your Memphis team is playing incredible.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: When you get into like the game today.
Speaker 1: And obviously when you first got into it had an
Speaker 1: issue with you and James Wiseman and past relationships and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And now you look at the NIL
Speaker 1: how in your view and being in it, has that
Speaker 1: changed the college game, the college game.
Speaker 4: As a whole. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the whole entire James Widen situation was by the
Speaker 6: judge saw how I saw. You know, when we were
Speaker 6: retired from the NBA, Bro, we go back and we
Speaker 6: do for our communities, right, even when we're in the league.
Speaker 6: And when I retired, I came home and I did
Speaker 6: for the community. I didn't do anything for James Wiseman
Speaker 6: on my high school team that I didn't do for
Speaker 6: anyone else over all the years from you know, ninety
Speaker 6: three all the way up. So that was my thing,
Speaker 6: and it just got misconscrewed because of some hate and
Speaker 6: jealousy from some people, and they turned it into the NCAA,
Speaker 6: which became an investigation, and thank god that the judge
Speaker 6: saw how it really was. But fast forward until now,
Speaker 6: I has changed the whole demographics in a major way
Speaker 6: because now it's not just about the athletes getting paid.
Speaker 6: Some are getting paid millions, and it's like, now there's
Speaker 6: no there are no rules to the game, like you
Speaker 6: don't get fined like in the league. You get fined
Speaker 6: if you show up late.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: I think that's what it's going to turn into, because
Speaker 6: we need some guardrails on this thing. Because a player
Speaker 6: can get as much money as he wants, good all
Speaker 6: the time, get all the shots, get all he wants
Speaker 6: or whatever. And I'm speaking from what the coaches say
Speaker 6: around the country. But he can come to practice and go, yo,
Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not feeling practice to day, and you
Speaker 6: can't find him and go, well, we're finding.
Speaker 5: You because you're not practicing.
Speaker 6: They still get their money, you know, And you know,
Speaker 6: it's a beautiful thing for these these young men to
Speaker 6: get paid. But it also it's it's it's been taken
Speaker 6: out of it's getting a little out of hand, and
Speaker 6: we just got to get some guardrails.
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna ask you, what is it? You know,
Speaker 2: whatever gift there is a curse, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And so you know, you kind of nil is sitting
Speaker 2: in this middle ground of it can be great for
Speaker 2: families and things like that, but there's also you know,
Speaker 2: they are getting millions of dollars. You know, when we
Speaker 2: got millions of dollars, nobody gave us an instruction box
Speaker 2: how to manage a million dollars and for sure a
Speaker 2: loan you know, being hard to manage, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And so you know, I look at it
Speaker 2: is it's a fine balance of helping people become successful
Speaker 2: and then enabling people to become you know ultimate ultimately
Speaker 2: like failures to themselves if they don't make it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it gives them an excuse as well
Speaker 6: of not to work hard to get to the league.
Speaker 6: Because they're making so much money, they can physically retire
Speaker 6: and say, well, if I don't make the league, I
Speaker 6: got this to fall back on. So the hunger to
Speaker 6: me and Dre knows this and you notice the hunger.
Speaker 6: You got to have to make it, you know. And
Speaker 6: a lot of these young men they just to understand
Speaker 6: obviously the world has caught up and surpassed in some areas,
Speaker 6: but where they're being drafted. So American players, man, we
Speaker 6: got it even harder. So most guys are using the
Speaker 6: NIL for almost a backup plan, and it's helping families,
Speaker 6: which is a beautiful thing, but it's not driving them
Speaker 6: for boarding, you know, it's not driving them to be like, Okay,
Speaker 6: I got this NIL, but I still got to go play.
Speaker 6: I still want to make it to my dream.
Speaker 1: That's interesting because I felt like, you know, a part
Speaker 1: of a part of one to make it for me
Speaker 1: was the struggle like not having food when I was
Speaker 1: in college.
Speaker 4: And I am.
Speaker 1: Totally on board with players getting paid because you know,
Speaker 1: I think you create value in anything, you should make money.
Speaker 1: Like that's just the world we live in, and so
Speaker 1: I'm completely on board for that. But I do think
Speaker 1: NIL in a sense about the NCAA, it's a setup.
Speaker 1: And I think it's a setup because to me, it
Speaker 1: felt like they were just like, all right, here you go,
Speaker 1: let it blow up in your face. You know what,
Speaker 1: I'm saying everything else that want to put guardrails around
Speaker 1: and help guide it. But then the one, you know,
Speaker 1: the one thing that they finally give, it's like hey,
Speaker 1: here's here's here's everything with no with nothing to follow
Speaker 1: know anything. And then you know, there's an ugly side
Speaker 1: of it as well, where you're starting to see these
Speaker 1: kids coming out of saying they ain't get paid the
Speaker 1: money they were supposed to get.
Speaker 4: Paid, you know.
Speaker 1: And and but yeah, again, who who are you going
Speaker 1: to when that happens, because there's no one government.
Speaker 3: It's just what it is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that when it happened, a lot of
Speaker 6: coaches already had, you know, foreseen that this was going
Speaker 6: to happen. What you're saying, like the ncaagent took their
Speaker 6: hands off and go allay, go to work, you know,
Speaker 6: and we don't have anything to do with it. You know,
Speaker 6: that's just your guys. And I think they're they're going
Speaker 6: backwards to come back forward by now by saying all right,
Speaker 6: we're going to do the guardrails because it's just it's
Speaker 6: it's out of hand, and like you said, you should
Speaker 6: profit from things that you're associated with it are using
Speaker 6: your name, image and like it is. I mean, it's
Speaker 6: just a part of it. But it's gotten to a
Speaker 6: point where it's, like you said, some coaches aren't paying
Speaker 6: players or they're saying they're not being paid. We don't know,
Speaker 6: but they're saying that. And it's not incentive based. It's
Speaker 6: just basically like it's yours. If you're making a million dollars,
Speaker 6: you're gonna get your entire million dollars. And if you
Speaker 6: average seven points and three rebounds, you're still gonna get
Speaker 6: your million dollars.
Speaker 2: You got that talk about like coaching in this era
Speaker 2: because you you you started without.
Speaker 4: The NIL now yet now in the NIL.
Speaker 2: Just talk about you know, coming up in the league,
Speaker 2: the coaches you had and then you know, coaching philosophy.
Speaker 2: How is that? You know, how have you evolved? You know,
Speaker 2: I would say from a player coach and you know
Speaker 2: now in this new an, I M.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm still the same, you know, because the way
Speaker 6: that I recruit these guys is we play out of concepts.
Speaker 6: We try to do everything Golden State does. Anybody in
Speaker 6: the league does that play out of concepts? Man, We
Speaker 6: don't have like a set system. You know, there are
Speaker 6: systems and I don't knock those coaches, coaches to being
Speaker 6: a coach. Izzo has a great system, you know, and
Speaker 6: they played. They just have to play tough, but it works.
Speaker 6: It's a system that's that's worked for years. But for
Speaker 6: me to stay in the know with the younger guys,
Speaker 6: for me, I just play out of concepts. You know,
Speaker 6: you pay give the ball to Draymond and we're going
Speaker 6: into split screens. We're screening for each other, we're getting
Speaker 6: the ball, we're getting downhill, we're kicking it, making one more.
Speaker 6: And then on defense we're locking in and packing the
Speaker 6: paint or just pack line defense. So for me, I
Speaker 6: think it works for those guys because they can see
Speaker 6: through our system. They can look at Golden State playing
Speaker 6: go while look at how they play, and then watch
Speaker 6: our film and we can show the exact same things
Speaker 6: that we're doing in practice, the terminologies and everything that
Speaker 6: they're using. So I think that gives me an edge
Speaker 6: as well.
Speaker 1: When you first got into the college game, and you know,
Speaker 1: this could be just me because how big of a
Speaker 1: fan I am, but when you first got into the
Speaker 1: college game and you're walking into the East living rooms
Speaker 1: as the hardaway.
Speaker 4: Was that too.
Speaker 1: Was that to a benefit or to a detriment, because
Speaker 1: I think the first thing that people would think is
Speaker 1: it's Penny. Of course, people want to be around you,
Speaker 1: of course, but you also run into a lot of
Speaker 1: people that want to use that against you, you know,
Speaker 1: like they want to use your self, your success, your
Speaker 1: name against you.
Speaker 4: Like did you find that to be helpful or hurtful?
Speaker 5: It's two ways, though, Drake.
Speaker 6: The first way is the good way, because the parents
Speaker 6: were fans of mine. Most of those parents, they love
Speaker 6: the game. They got a kid that can play ball.
Speaker 6: They're like, man, I watched you. You were my favorite player.
Speaker 6: And from that side, it was great. But then there's
Speaker 6: so many coaches that bond together. There's a lot of haters.
Speaker 6: They go, don't go play there. It's not organized, it's
Speaker 6: all NBA stuff. And then I didn't only walk into
Speaker 6: the to the room by myself. I walked in with
Speaker 6: Mike Miller, and then with coach Larry Brown, with with
Speaker 6: Shee Wallace, these guys on my staff. Right with these guys,
Speaker 6: they like, how could you say no? But from the
Speaker 6: flip side of that, though, there comes a lot of
Speaker 6: hate because when we come from the league and I
Speaker 6: didn't quote unquote pay my dues and was an assistant
Speaker 6: coach of for I six seven years and then get
Speaker 6: the job.
Speaker 5: I just came right in. That makes a lot of
Speaker 5: people mad.
Speaker 6: So while these parents are oohing and aye and man,
Speaker 6: we love you, they've got twenty phone calls from someone
Speaker 6: going don't go there, go here, just don't go there.
Speaker 6: So there's so many people hating for for young men
Speaker 6: not to come to me because they know the success
Speaker 6: that I'm going to have and that they're going to.
Speaker 4: Have one thousand. I love it. I love to talk
Speaker 4: to your ship.
Speaker 2: Oh gee, though, going back to the Olympics, right, because
Speaker 2: I always wanted to ask, right, you come off of
Speaker 2: Olympic goal right summertime, celebrating the goal, and then Shaq
Speaker 2: leaves the magic but the Lakers bro.
Speaker 5: First day of my life. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 6: I knew the magnitude of that bro. But here's the
Speaker 6: thing though, that was so crazy. Shaq never told me
Speaker 6: he was leaving. Oh wow, you know how you get
Speaker 6: into the nos this Like all of the international media
Speaker 6: was in there. In our interview with the entire team,
Speaker 6: We're on a panel and they're asking each one of
Speaker 6: us questions, and one guy goes, how does it feel
Speaker 6: not to have Shack as a teammate?
Speaker 4: Whoa hill right here?
Speaker 5: Gary Padon, I'm like, looked at Charles Barkley. I'm looking.
Speaker 6: I'm like, if that happens, then that will be devastating.
Speaker 6: That's exactly what I said. And they was like, no,
Speaker 6: like he's he's about to sign the multi year deal
Speaker 6: with the Lakers. I was like, well that's the case, then,
Speaker 6: you know, I wish him well. And then Shaq came
Speaker 6: to my room, either that day or the next day,
Speaker 6: knocked on my door Bro and was like, Bro, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: I should have told you, Bro, I was done.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 6: It killed me, Bro, it killed me. But I'm gonna
Speaker 6: tell you what happened. All of like the the entertainers
Speaker 6: in l a. Cherry West rest in Peace was so smart.
Speaker 6: He knew Shaq wanted to be in movies. He brought
Speaker 6: him to La Is Beautiful. Even though Orlando is a
Speaker 6: family town in l A is different. Shaq went there
Speaker 6: and they man, they they did everything. They threw everything
Speaker 6: at them. He forgot my name. He was like, what
Speaker 6: about Penny? He was like, who, I don't know, you're
Speaker 6: talking about Kobe and Nick Van next to Annie Jones.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I know them cats, But yeah, no, I was.
Speaker 6: I was happy for him, but I knew what that
Speaker 6: meant our franchise. Bro, you can't lose that, you can't.
Speaker 6: But the thing that was so bad about that was
Speaker 6: the local media would always like poke the bear, meaning
Speaker 6: like Shaq can't shoot free throws, will never win a championship.
Speaker 6: The fan say Shack didn't deserve all the money he's
Speaker 6: getting because he can't make free throw. They were doing
Speaker 6: that to him, and I was like, what are y'all doing, Like, dude,
Speaker 6: come on, y'all crazy, And I think Shaq got a
Speaker 6: little bit of that in there along with going to LA.
Speaker 6: But I didn't know bed I was in the conference, Like,
Speaker 6: I didn't know.
Speaker 4: That's crazy. Wow, damn shock. When he came to the Lakers,
Speaker 4: you know, that's my dude.
Speaker 5: Though man may not do. I love that dude to death,
Speaker 5: but he knew.
Speaker 6: He apologized a thousand times after that, Like if I
Speaker 6: would have known now what I knew back then. But
Speaker 6: at the time, I felt like he made the right
Speaker 6: decision for his career monetarily and for championships because he
Speaker 6: went to a team that was willing, and Orlando was
Speaker 6: going to do exactly what we needed to do to
Speaker 6: go out and get pieces as well. But Lakers Orlando
Speaker 6: franchise versus the history.
Speaker 2: But it couldn't he could have stayed in Orlando for
Speaker 2: two years because when he got LA, it.
Speaker 4: Took him a while to get there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So you know, I always and and I love when
Speaker 2: he said, like, damn, I should have stayed.
Speaker 4: With Penny, got us one and then bounce that been
Speaker 4: with me.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's like, you know, basketball has so
Speaker 2: many storylines, and everybody's story is you know, interweed with
Speaker 2: everybody else is just you know, it's great to see,
Speaker 2: like you know, when things come full circle, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. And for him, you know, to big
Speaker 2: up you, to say like you're one of the greatest
Speaker 2: players he's ever played with, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And like you getting your.
Speaker 2: Flowers now especially yeah, you know, I know you coaching
Speaker 2: and so how them players are you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like they need to hear.
Speaker 2: From us, like how special and how important you are
Speaker 2: to us, because I appreciate open you open the floodgates
Speaker 2: to like, oh I can get out here and wiggle.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 2: Basketball is entertainment, you know what I mean, But it's
Speaker 2: there's a style to this killer you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: That just I mean that motivated me, That motivated the
Speaker 2: whole generation of people.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: So you know, I just always look like your storyline,
Speaker 2: even with the knee injuries, with my knee injuries, and
Speaker 2: I say, man, there's so many parallels. But to be
Speaker 2: able to like share that moment with you, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like for me, I know it was hard,
Speaker 2: but you know, for you, like just share a little
Speaker 2: bit about you know, overcoming injuries, you know what I mean, Yeah,
Speaker 2: would have been because I always think about that shit too,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, come on, you know, like how tell me
Speaker 2: what would have been?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, that's crazy?
Speaker 6: Man, me healthy, I just you know, I just know
Speaker 6: I could have did like way more damage. I wasn't
Speaker 6: a selfish player, but I just got it done, you know,
Speaker 6: in my way, and I wanted to win. And I
Speaker 6: would have not having any injuries. It would have been crazy.
Speaker 6: It definitely would have been crazy. The same thing with you, bro,
Speaker 6: and the same thing with Dre. Dre didn't have the
Speaker 6: injuries we had. He's been like you were just talking
Speaker 6: about people looking up to us. You know, back in
Speaker 6: the day, guys didn't really look up to defenders like that.
Speaker 6: But when Golden State was rolling and Drey was a
Speaker 6: huge part of it, I'm hearing God in the gym going,
Speaker 6: I want to be Draymond coach. I don't need to shoot,
Speaker 6: and he set a standard outside of defenders and gods
Speaker 6: that hustling scrap. And then this year the three point
Speaker 6: shooting and just working on this game and consy going, Okay,
Speaker 6: I don't have to shoot threes. I'm still gonna win,
Speaker 6: but now I'm gonna show you'all I can ask something
Speaker 6: else to my game. So for all of us in
Speaker 6: our own way, touching lives. Man, when people see Dre
Speaker 6: and Cubdn see me, they light up because they can
Speaker 6: identify success to us. They can identify card work to us,
Speaker 6: they can identify being a great teammate, being somebody that
Speaker 6: respected the game and just wanted to ultimately win and
Speaker 6: it didn't matter what it took. So for me not
Speaker 6: being injured, man, I would have been the best teammate.
Speaker 6: I feel like I would have been one of the
Speaker 6: best winners because I would have did whatever it took
Speaker 6: to take the back seat to anybody that I played
Speaker 6: with to go and get that wing man. It wouldn't
Speaker 6: have been no ego with me. Hey, if we would
Speaker 6: have brought in younger players and I was in my
Speaker 6: prime war to win a championship, you had no fuss
Speaker 6: out of me, Bro, it would have just been let's win.
Speaker 5: And I wanted to win.
Speaker 6: And I hate that I didn't because watching the guy
Speaker 6: that have one man, it's like watching them celebrate, Bro,
Speaker 6: it just takes you back to be like, Man, I
Speaker 6: just wish I had that moment.
Speaker 2: I wish I had that moment all the time, Like
Speaker 2: I wish y'all had that moment too.
Speaker 5: Man, Over and over again.
Speaker 1: It's an incredible feeling. It's hard to put it into words.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, though, because when I did it the first time,
Speaker 1: it was like incredible and it was like wow. And
Speaker 1: then like after like a couple of weeks of living
Speaker 1: on this cloud, I kind of went through this little
Speaker 1: small depression and like fear of life. Man, what if
Speaker 1: I never feel that feeling again?
Speaker 4: And then we did it. When we did it.
Speaker 1: Again, what I've gotten every time since is that you
Speaker 1: get the most joy out of seeing the guys on
Speaker 1: the team that's now doing it for the first time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, because it can always it always take you
Speaker 1: back to that moment. I'm like, why, like, I remember
Speaker 1: when I felt like that, Like not that I'm not happy,
Speaker 1: like it's the best feeling, but I know that that
Speaker 1: joy right.
Speaker 4: There is different, you know, because when you do it
Speaker 4: for that first time. Thanks, nothing like it. But I'm
Speaker 4: sorry speaking of the first time.
Speaker 1: You remember the first time and I don't want to
Speaker 1: don't get me the u c L A gym that
Speaker 1: we can't see.
Speaker 3: Do you remember the first.
Speaker 4: Time you played Penny?
Speaker 3: He had twenty four points that game.
Speaker 2: I was coming off the bench for the Charlote Hornets,
Speaker 2: I believe, and Penny was from the Yeah, he was in.
Speaker 4: The Phoenix Suns.
Speaker 2: Eddie Jones was the shooting guard and you know, you
Speaker 2: know Eddie was my dog too. Eddie was that dog
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, just goes to show, like you know
Speaker 2: Penny came in there.
Speaker 4: It was you and Jake Kid.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no doubt that would come on, dude, I was
Speaker 6: I don't even think I played in that game.
Speaker 4: Did I play? I played like.
Speaker 5: They wouldn't let me in the MiGs bro it wasn't crazy.
Speaker 6: That's so crazy, Dot Bead talk about I want to
Speaker 6: ask that question because as great as you are, were
Speaker 6: coming out, you had to sit to these veterans and
Speaker 6: you were like this young goon ready to go to work,
Speaker 6: and you just had to senuate your turn.
Speaker 5: Talk about understand how you did that.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was just out when I got in.
Speaker 2: I think I was so hyped up. I would make mistakes,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And like, you know, our
Speaker 2: margin for era was very minimal, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And the way Boss Silace coach like you had to
Speaker 2: spot up jumpers go in the post. And when I
Speaker 2: got to Charlotte, I was like, damn. Like when I
Speaker 2: first got there, we was moving, you know, pick and roll,
Speaker 2: showing what I can do. When they started putting them
Speaker 2: plays in, it was like, oh, we don't fast break
Speaker 2: down here, you know what I mean. There was there's
Speaker 2: really no way to change the tempo. So I was like, damn,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get a chance. But I stayed in
Speaker 2: Charlotte after the season and they said I couldn't shoot,
Speaker 2: so I worked on my shot and then that's when
Speaker 2: I came back to La playing the real run d
Speaker 2: I just started. I started chasing every fade and every
Speaker 2: dude that had a good year. I was trying to
Speaker 2: pull up on him, that celebrity game all that, and
Speaker 2: then that's you know, it was almost like it was
Speaker 2: a good thing. But I still don't think it was
Speaker 2: good because I felt like if I would have started,
Speaker 2: like I could have been a game changer. But you know,
Speaker 2: back then, Penny, you know how there's a hierarchy, no doubt,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And sometimes you gotta have
Speaker 2: one game or two games where you start to break
Speaker 2: through that mode.
Speaker 4: And I never got to start my rookie year.
Speaker 5: But that's your that's your testimony. Bro.
Speaker 2: When I came back, I started, you know, every game
Speaker 2: after that. David Wesley called me in the summer. He
Speaker 2: was like, hey, Bro, just tell him don't trade me.
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, when I see you in training camp, Bro,
Speaker 2: you better mind a new position.
Speaker 4: And he wound up playing to starting shooting guard for US.
Speaker 5: And David Westy was tough.
Speaker 1: Penny and just speaking on you know, obviously you were
Speaker 1: with Orlando Magic, then you went to Phoenix.
Speaker 4: But again, I go back to the Orlando Magic times.
Speaker 1: Ye, Shack Jerseys just became the first jersey to get
Speaker 1: retired in Orlando Magic history.
Speaker 4: Do you think you will and should get that call soon? Personally?
Speaker 4: Before you speak, I think so.
Speaker 6: I think so, man, But you know what was so
Speaker 6: crazy as t Matt came behind me and he wore
Speaker 6: number one too, So I think both number ones, but
Speaker 6: Grady and Hardaway need to be up in there. And
Speaker 6: I know you're talking about me because Macs my dog,
Speaker 6: but I think that number one needs to go down
Speaker 6: Hardaway and Matt, and we need to do it on
Speaker 6: the same night because that's my dog.
Speaker 5: I don't need it. I mean, we need to do
Speaker 5: that because people.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I can get both number ones, but
Speaker 2: you definitely needs you all night. Man, you got you
Speaker 2: got way too many highlights, way too many accomplishments like
Speaker 2: we gotta have, you know what I mean? Like as
Speaker 2: far as the yeah, yeah, man, you know you you
Speaker 2: you you without barring any injuries, you're on that goat level, you.
Speaker 5: Know what I mean, no doubt I was. I was
Speaker 5: on the way, he.
Speaker 4: Was on your way.
Speaker 2: And there's always a debate obviously who's Mount Rushmore. What
Speaker 2: I want to know what does your mouth rushmore? Look
Speaker 2: like like, who are your four players?
Speaker 6: I go old school so much, so I'm happy to
Speaker 6: read I go old school so much, man. But it's
Speaker 6: so much greatness in today's game, and it's played over
Speaker 6: the last ten years. But if I'm going old school
Speaker 6: old school, it's it's Shack, It's m J, it's Kobe,
Speaker 6: and it is Brian. That's that's That would be my list.
Speaker 6: If you want that, that would be the list besides
Speaker 6: besides me, if I'm going that route, it's just, you know,
Speaker 6: I have so much love for Steph. I have so
Speaker 6: much so many people, Bro, It's just it's crazy, man,
Speaker 6: because they talk about the best point guard, it's step
Speaker 6: for point guard.
Speaker 5: Is he a shooting guard? What are we talking about?
Speaker 3: You know, I'm just.
Speaker 5: Saying, what is the point guard? That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So when we talk about point guards, bro, how could
Speaker 6: you leave the little either. I remember saying a long
Speaker 6: time ago that dude is an assassin. Bro, he got
Speaker 6: the baby pace, but that dude is an assassin. Man,
Speaker 6: what he's done to the game. You cannot leave him
Speaker 6: out of any conversation.
Speaker 3: Now that's a fact.
Speaker 1: He a point guard. You know why Steph's a point guard.
Speaker 1: And I think I think people asking you know you
Speaker 1: you have the whole theory is the glass has half,
Speaker 1: then is the glass for I think people asking is
Speaker 1: Stephan's point guard or shooting guard as a compliment to
Speaker 1: Steph because the reason they asked the question, it's because
Speaker 1: of how well he shoots the basketball. Yes, and so
Speaker 1: you shoot the basketball so well that everyone wants to
Speaker 1: make him a shooting guard. But the reality is a
Speaker 1: lot of his shots are off the dribble.
Speaker 4: Number one guards didn't shoot off the dribble.
Speaker 1: When you talk about proto type prototypical shooting guards, most
Speaker 1: prototypical shooting guards was one or two drip bounces. If
Speaker 1: they spotted pulling up one or two bounces to the cup,
Speaker 1: that was a two guard. And so I think it's
Speaker 1: such a compliment to him when people say that because
Speaker 1: you shoot the ball that well. But here's the thing
Speaker 1: when you talk about why he's a point guard, is
Speaker 1: if you've ever watched stuff, and I've seen all.
Speaker 3: Of them, I'm blessed to say that.
Speaker 1: The amount of coverages that he's seen and had to read,
Speaker 1: like quarterbacks recoverages, point guards recoverages, the amount of coverages
Speaker 1: that Steph has had to read and being guarded. I'm
Speaker 1: no Bron has not seen, Kobe has not seen, MJ
Speaker 1: has not seen. There is not a person in NBA
Speaker 1: history that has seen the amount of defenses and different
Speaker 1: type of coverages that Steph Curry has seen and to
Speaker 1: navigate that still average almost seven assists per game on
Speaker 1: the career plus his points and to get those readsons.
Speaker 3: So for instance, step is averaging six and a half
Speaker 3: six six assists. I'm averaging seven and a half eight.
Speaker 1: I'm averaging those assists off of him making a quick
Speaker 1: read and getting me the ball and then allowing me
Speaker 1: to do what I do. But the quarterbacks still had
Speaker 1: to hit me on the route right. And that's why
Speaker 1: I say, like, no question, he's a point guard. But
Speaker 1: it's the ultimate compliment because you're so great at a
Speaker 1: thing that they want to make you that other thing.
Speaker 4: You know what, you know what, you know what it is.
Speaker 2: It's he's a point guard who scores the way a
Speaker 2: shooting guard was traditionally supposed to score. Like point guards
Speaker 2: don't really you know, like over the history of the
Speaker 2: league put up fifties and forties and things like that.
Speaker 2: So when you see somebody like even you, Penny, like
Speaker 2: I ask you, are you a point guard?
Speaker 4: Of course? Right?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, when you play with Jason Kidd,
Speaker 2: you still a point guard. You a combo guard. And
Speaker 2: so now Steph has been called a hybrid guard. I say,
Speaker 2: Penny Hardaway point guard, point god, Steph Curry point god,
Speaker 2: because he just revolutionized.
Speaker 4: The way who we play, you know what I.
Speaker 2: Mean, Like nobody and you know, I've never seen somebody
Speaker 2: score shooting guard points at the point guard position night
Speaker 2: in and night out, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 2: feel like Ma Bear was maybe one of the most
Speaker 2: potent point guards. Iver Sin was was a shooting guard,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so like Steph is
Speaker 2: doing what Iverson is doing from the point guard position,
Speaker 2: and so it's it messages people's equilibrium up because that's
Speaker 2: not what you traditionally see.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's like it's like Dre said, Iverson saw
Speaker 6: man and man coverage, he saw double teams. But he's,
Speaker 6: like he said, Steph is seeing every coverage imaginable. But
Speaker 6: his IQ, along with Dre's IQ and the way that
Speaker 6: Steve has the office flowing.
Speaker 5: If we can give him.
Speaker 6: The credit just marries that marries everything together in the
Speaker 6: perfect form for how he plays the game. And then
Speaker 6: most of his shots are coming from him screening, him
Speaker 6: slipping the screen, him getting to drip a hand off,
Speaker 6: him throwing it and zooming in and chasing it and
Speaker 6: getting the shot and being able to make those shots
Speaker 6: while making those decisions.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then I think he's gotten more.
Speaker 6: He's got more back door cuts in his career in
Speaker 6: the last two or three years that I've ever seen,
Speaker 6: because now he's reading them over playing them. He's getting
Speaker 6: the back doors and Dre's leading them before he moves
Speaker 6: throwing them open. So I'm watching all this like, man,
Speaker 6: it's unreal. He's been blessed to have Dre because everybody
Speaker 6: couldn't have been in the position Dre is in throwing
Speaker 6: somebody open versus throwing somebody at past It's two totally
Speaker 6: different things. He has to see him open and see
Speaker 6: the vision of where that ball needs to bounce for
Speaker 6: step to just get into that ball and just lay
Speaker 6: the ball up. So that's the beauty of the whole
Speaker 6: thing in Golden State that I marveled over, man, And
Speaker 6: I imagine myself playing that in that system with those
Speaker 6: two dudes.
Speaker 12: That would be stupid. Come on, man, I come off
Speaker 12: the bench. I am not tripping. Let me come off
Speaker 12: the bench, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, no, that's fired.
Speaker 2: You've been at Memphis since twenty eighteen. Yeah what what?
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah? Yeah? Okay, better I go there. Okay, but
Speaker 1: I'll go there all right. So I'm a I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of the Clone Orlando Magic team.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because if you go back and date these
Speaker 1: podcasts early well, during the draft year of Paolo ban Carroll,
Speaker 1: everybody was saying Jabari Smith Junior would be the should
Speaker 1: be the number one pick. And I actually love Jabari
Speaker 1: Smith game. So this ain't a slight at all. But
Speaker 1: I said on this podcast, I said, yo, everybody talking
Speaker 1: about Jabari Smith being a number one pick.
Speaker 4: To me, Paolo bn Carroll's the number one pick.
Speaker 1: And they end up taking the intel from the Draymond
Speaker 1: Green Show and they did the right thing and they
Speaker 1: drafted Pollow you know, but you know then they also
Speaker 1: did a great thing and they drafted from Vagner. You
Speaker 1: just said, you know, if you were with us, you
Speaker 1: know how that would have been. How how would you
Speaker 1: have for a scene playing with those two young guns.
Speaker 1: They both would be All Stars this year if they
Speaker 1: were playing. Paulo has been hurt for a while, and friend,
Speaker 1: I don't know that his games is gonna end up
Speaker 1: being enough to ultimately make it. But how could you
Speaker 1: saw yourself fitting in with those young guys that you
Speaker 1: got over in Orlando right now?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: No, First of all, shout out to Jamal Mosley Man.
Speaker 6: They Orlando Magic. They did a great job on choosing
Speaker 6: him because he paid his dues bro. So I'm happy
Speaker 6: for him. He's done a phenomenal job with his staff
Speaker 6: of knowing who's who. He knew Paulo was that guy.
Speaker 6: And for me to play in that system, And like
Speaker 6: I said, with Franz, he's hurt, he's injured as well.
Speaker 6: He might be out for weeks, so he's injured as well.
Speaker 6: But with those guys healthy, all I would have done
Speaker 6: is just fed off those guys and whenever I needed
Speaker 6: to take over the game, I would, but I would
Speaker 6: let them know, hey, I got y'all back, and no
Speaker 6: matter what, let's go win. And I would have been
Speaker 6: the ultimate teammate. That's just who I was. I just
Speaker 6: wanted to win, and you use that youth and that
Speaker 6: talent and you just keep with him in the gym.
Speaker 6: We would have gotten the gym a lot so that
Speaker 6: they could learn who I was and who they were.
Speaker 6: Then we would have watched film a lot just to
Speaker 6: try to get them to understand what the league was
Speaker 6: all about and how they could get an advantage on
Speaker 6: being young guys against veteran guys or guys in the
Speaker 6: league already. And Polo came in just to showing from
Speaker 6: the beginning anyway, So that's what I would have done. Man,
Speaker 6: it would have been fun to play with that group.
Speaker 3: What do you think is next?
Speaker 1: Like, obviously they gotta get healthy, and although I think
Speaker 1: they're having a great year, I don't quite think they're
Speaker 1: at that contender level yet.
Speaker 3: What do you think needs to happen for that team?
Speaker 1: Obviously those two guys are staples not going anywhere and
Speaker 1: be there for the next ten years if they want
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 3: But what do you think that team needs.
Speaker 1: To do in order to continue to take that next
Speaker 1: jump and take advantage of these young guys, Like you
Speaker 1: want to take advantage of these guys while they don
Speaker 1: low salaries, because once the salaries get too big, you
Speaker 1: start having to pluck pieces and Franz just got paid.
Speaker 6: Paulo will Yeah. I think what you have to do
Speaker 6: is you got to get smart vets. The guys like
Speaker 6: back in the day was like a James Posey or
Speaker 6: Tony Allen or or David West, like David West, Scott,
Speaker 6: you know like that that are true professionals that know
Speaker 6: how to win, that still have enough game, that can
Speaker 6: get in the game and kind of help manage them,
Speaker 6: kind of help understand that I'm gonna take the best
Speaker 6: forward in the game. If I'm a forward, you take
Speaker 6: the second level forward and watch how I do this.
Speaker 6: If I'm a guard that comes in, let me take
Speaker 6: the high level guard. You take that and just kind
Speaker 6: of teach them how to win. And I think that's
Speaker 6: the next level for Orlando. And it's beautiful city. Is
Speaker 6: Orlando is made with all the offer they don't get bests.
Speaker 6: They want to go there, and I understand, but in
Speaker 6: another way, I don't because this team is up and coming,
Speaker 6: but they're gonna need some somebody that can get down
Speaker 6: there and kind of recruit vets in there. When I
Speaker 6: was in Orlando, the Orlando Magic hired doctor j. Julius
Speaker 6: Irvin to come in to try to help recruit some
Speaker 6: vets in there. Man and doctor J did a great job.
Speaker 6: So they need some guys. They can get some bets
Speaker 6: in there. The goal you can't go all young.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they need some blue guys, blue guys. I agree
Speaker 4: with that. I agree with that.
Speaker 3: That's that's a problem around the Lee.
Speaker 1: A lot of places people start getting rid of vets
Speaker 1: because the tax you know, penetrations so big, and that
Speaker 1: three million dollars that a van will make as opposed
Speaker 1: to the million dollars ends up costing fourteen million dollars
Speaker 1: as opposed to two and a half, and people start
Speaker 1: getting rid of vets. But I think the effect that
Speaker 1: it has on these organizations, like you can say that
Speaker 1: fourteen million dollars if you want to, and don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, fourteen million dollars is a lot of money.
Speaker 1: But in the grand scheme of these teams, you can
Speaker 1: try to say that fourteen million dollars if you want to,
Speaker 1: But your young guys end up turning into guys.
Speaker 3: That never learn how to do it on their own.
Speaker 1: They have to then go get with somebody else because
Speaker 1: they didn't have a vet to show them how to
Speaker 1: do it right. So then they go get the game
Speaker 1: and then it's like, oh, I got the game now,
Speaker 1: all right now, but you kind of miss your window,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like Steph is Steph because
Speaker 1: he was able to push through that window when he
Speaker 1: got the opportunity in year five, you know, and like
Speaker 1: you start looking at guys who did it and push
Speaker 1: through their windows. They probably had some great vessel runs.
Speaker 1: Like we had incredible vests, you know when I speak
Speaker 1: of Steph. We had Boget was great, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: d Lea, but we had Jared Jack come through there.
Speaker 3: We had Jermaine O'Neill come through there.
Speaker 4: We had.
Speaker 1: Uh, Richard Jefferson comes like, we had great vets come
Speaker 1: through there. And David West came in and even though
Speaker 1: we had one championship, said we were still young, so
Speaker 1: we were still get wild. D Wes Andre come in
Speaker 1: the game. They settled the game down, like we needed that.
Speaker 1: Although we had one championship before, it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we know how to win and we got to skill,
Speaker 1: but we needed those young We come out there with
Speaker 1: me and Steph be fucking throwing it out the bottles.
Speaker 1: I thought and he going that way, he'd ran out
Speaker 1: of the way. Like but you know, to your point
Speaker 1: of passing them opens Sometimes that happens, you know, and
Speaker 1: like they come in and it's like who all right,
Speaker 1: now there we go.
Speaker 3: You know these teams don't have that and it's a problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: That that hurts me deeply man.
Speaker 6: Watching I was at a Aces game this summer and
Speaker 6: I was sitting next to John Wall.
Speaker 5: That just doesn't sit well with me.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 6: I know what happened in Washington, Bro, but this man
Speaker 6: can help a team just for that main reason, long
Speaker 6: as the veterans understand when you come in there what
Speaker 6: it's all about. Yep, I think that he deserved. What
Speaker 6: if people was in Orlando to try to help out
Speaker 6: those young guards. I'm just saying, I'm just giving names.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 6: It's just to me, they're just not a lot of knowledge. Man,
Speaker 6: it's like you need to knowledge.
Speaker 4: You got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you got the knowledge, the story it is relatable.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you just can't relate to that young coach you
Speaker 2: just got out of college and just want to, you know,
Speaker 2: watch films and get rebounds for you need somebody that
Speaker 2: got stories or can watch the film and tell you
Speaker 2: what's coming or how you fit in or know you
Speaker 2: ain't that you are more like this, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And so having that insight kind of you
Speaker 2: kind of lose that, you know, with the VET, with
Speaker 2: not having a VET in the room, and so.
Speaker 4: That young dude, he don't develop.
Speaker 2: He wind up getting training, get training, get traded, and
Speaker 2: then it's you know, luck of the jaw for some
Speaker 2: of these really young talented kids to find that team
Speaker 2: at some point and stick. And you know, it's just
Speaker 2: not having veterans who can identify if they're gonna be.
Speaker 4: Good or not, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like sometimes a coach shut out, man, he gonna be
Speaker 2: all right, I got him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And you need that personal care and that's not being exemplified.
Speaker 2: I don't think hardly any of these rosters. But that's
Speaker 2: the difference between, you know, the teams that want to
Speaker 2: win championships and develop young talent and the teams that
Speaker 2: want to stand in the middle.
Speaker 5: Of the Yeah, for sure, sure, no doubt, you know.
Speaker 1: And just speaking of vets, obviously, like you said, been
Speaker 1: at Memphiss two thousand eighteen, it's a dream where you're
Speaker 1: still to coach in the NBA at some point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, I definitely want to coach an NBA. Man.
Speaker 6: I get my juices flooring when I sit in the arena,
Speaker 6: when you gave me those seats, I'm just watching y'all going, Man,
Speaker 6: I could because I feel like I can help a
Speaker 6: lot of young guys, Drake, because I know the game.
Speaker 6: I played the game. They still respect my brand and
Speaker 6: who I am. I feel like my game is my
Speaker 6: coaching is really built more for the NBA. In college,
Speaker 6: I'm happy to be here because I'm home. It's come
Speaker 6: full circle. I love my city, I love my school.
Speaker 6: But ultimately, I've mentioned this before, I want to be
Speaker 6: in the NBA. I don't know whether that's going to be,
Speaker 6: but I want to help help somebody win. I want
Speaker 6: to help players get better. I want to be a
Speaker 6: part of something, whether it's it's just starting or whether
Speaker 6: it's on the customer winning the championship. I'm find either way, man,
Speaker 6: because I'm a grinder. So definitely want to coach an NBA.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely want to see you in the league. Man.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, City.
Speaker 2: I mean just I feel like your knowledge with the pros,
Speaker 2: you know what, I mean, and just you know, insight
Speaker 2: with the pros and you know, even watching men, it's
Speaker 2: just your concepts, like all of those are pro schemes,
Speaker 2: pro concepts, and you need professionals.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And man, if you can work with the talent, you know,
Speaker 2: professional high level talent and get in today's psyche and
Speaker 2: give them what you got, like, that's what the league needs,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And these coaches that have
Speaker 2: been there, coaches who have played, you know, and coaches
Speaker 2: who have paid their dues that's been around these young kids,
Speaker 2: someone like you who got endless amount of stories and.
Speaker 4: You lived it. You know what I'm saying. You're like
Speaker 4: you you are really about this life.
Speaker 2: I would love to see that, you know, with top
Speaker 2: tier talent, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: I just think it's about building relationships with the guys
Speaker 6: because when I get there, because I'm going to be there,
Speaker 6: It's just about building a relationship with the young studs
Speaker 6: like Apollo and those guys, you know, And it's it's
Speaker 6: something that I enjoy me. I'm a ball I'm a
Speaker 6: gym rat. I'm a ball guy. I live in the gym.
Speaker 6: I love the gym. I told that to the Orlando
Speaker 6: Magic a couple of years ago. I am a gym
Speaker 6: rat bro. I love it like a kaminga. You know
Speaker 6: those guys, man, it's just to watch film, to talk
Speaker 6: to them every day, to be a part of their lives.
Speaker 6: All these guys that have the ability to go to
Speaker 6: the next level that enfranchise is waiting on. I said
Speaker 6: this to a GM a couple of years ago. That's
Speaker 6: a good friend of mine. I was like, man, whenever
Speaker 6: I come, I'm coming hard because I'll be excited. I'll
Speaker 6: be It'll be like being a rookie to me all
Speaker 6: over again, because I would be as coaching. But I'll
Speaker 6: bring so much to the table with those guys.
Speaker 1: So I'm from sagon Off, Michigan, and I've always heard
Speaker 1: stories about I don't know the history, but I know
Speaker 1: at one point your agent was.
Speaker 4: From saging On.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, the Posting Brothers.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I saw.
Speaker 1: I've always heard these stories about and I, and then
Speaker 1: I try to incorporate it with my own knowledge and
Speaker 1: my own experiences. I know in signing with Nike, for
Speaker 1: most guys, Nike owns the logo that then goes on
Speaker 1: your shoe. I was always told that you through your
Speaker 1: agent y'all came up with the idea of the one
Speaker 1: cent logo and that you owned your own logo. And
Speaker 1: then I want to say, is that true? And if so,
Speaker 1: what was the idea being that, because that one penny legendary.
Speaker 6: I'm going to be very honest, Nike owns one percent
Speaker 6: more than me. They owned, they owned the logo. But
Speaker 6: it's like, I'm right there, so it's not like I
Speaker 6: own my own logo. I wish And I was talking
Speaker 6: about this in my agents some years ago, and because
Speaker 6: MJ the way he gets it done, I was like, man,
Speaker 6: I should have tried to get my own logo and
Speaker 6: own but now he's so smart.
Speaker 5: They've been a blessing to me. Bro. You know how
Speaker 5: Nike is.
Speaker 6: Man, it's the first class, first class all the way,
Speaker 6: still making my shoes. But I wish I owned my
Speaker 6: own logo, but I own them. But I own a
Speaker 6: lot of it, oh god, percentage of it. But it's
Speaker 6: it's just a marriage. That to me, that just bitch man,
Speaker 6: because they put me on the map, you know, along
Speaker 6: with my game, and they pumped me out there and
Speaker 6: they did what they had to do, so that I
Speaker 6: wish your story was true. It's still you know, on
Speaker 6: a large majority, I don't own the entire entire logo.
Speaker 3: That's incredible. I love ni Man.
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta ask about Little Penny since we
Speaker 2: on the one.
Speaker 5: Little Penny was crazy.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 6: It's just it was this advertising agency that worked for
Speaker 6: Nike called Whiton and Kennedy, and man, they came up
Speaker 6: Stacey Wall as the guy's name. They came up with
Speaker 6: the alter ego because I was just a silent assassin
Speaker 6: and Little Penny was. He was a ship talker, he
Speaker 6: was a guy anybody was last night. He ain't gonna
Speaker 6: say it, but I'm gonna tell you my man is
Speaker 6: about to bust you up. So that worked out, man,
Speaker 6: And to me, it was comedy because it was Chris Rock.
Speaker 6: And I heard that they went after Martin Lawrence back
Speaker 6: in the day. I heard that they went after uh,
Speaker 6: Damon Waims, maybe even Will Smith. Maybe you know those guys.
Speaker 6: But when Chris Rock wasn't the Chris Rock at the time,
Speaker 6: he took it out. I think it's not a better
Speaker 6: poic for that character.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 5: He took it to another level.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: He made it feel like that was like your real homeboy,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like we felt like Little
Speaker 2: Penny was like, hey man, that gotta be his potna.
Speaker 4: He gotta be made out for like one of your
Speaker 4: best friends.
Speaker 2: And like, yeah, shut up and be quiet that that
Speaker 2: that character is I mean utterly iconic. You know me
Speaker 2: as a you know, entertainer, a writer, a creator. Man,
Speaker 2: I look at that Little Penny as a reference for
Speaker 2: you know a lot of things that you know I
Speaker 2: do creatively.
Speaker 4: But I mean as far as like the dynamic that shit.
Speaker 6: Man, they did a phenomenal job, bro phenomenal.
Speaker 4: The pool party, Dog.
Speaker 6: Super Bowl party, Pool party, Tyer Banks, the whole deal.
Speaker 4: The Tyron Banks. That was crazy.
Speaker 6: That was crazy, bro out the Nike man, Phil Knight,
Speaker 6: I got that's legendary.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: Top five point guards ever, we like a good this
Speaker 1: Top five point guards from down.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 6: I'm talking about magic because that's my guy. I'm putting
Speaker 6: Steph in there for sure. It's tough for me, man,
Speaker 6: because so many.
Speaker 4: Gets tough and something.
Speaker 5: Throw my boy GP in there because he played both
Speaker 5: sides of it. I'm going to Gary.
Speaker 4: Payton absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 5: You gotta put Jake Kid in there. Jay gets tough.
Speaker 6: Man and I got so many guys, man, like.
Speaker 4: You got CP, you got John Stocks, and you got
Speaker 4: Steve Nash. Steve uh.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking about all the dream teams here, man, I
Speaker 6: might I might go.
Speaker 4: Steph Magic, Gary Payton, Jason.
Speaker 6: I know I'm in that five. But I'm just saying
Speaker 6: the other person. I'm just saying me. That's why I'm leaving. Okay,
Speaker 6: do that way. But I'm not slighting anybody else because
Speaker 6: I'm a huge fan of a lot of people. Bro,
Speaker 6: all those guys stocked in, all those guys, but you know,
Speaker 6: you got to have someone that you know you like
Speaker 6: more than othering. Those are my guys. Those guys that
Speaker 6: I named so and they were all legends. They're all legends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, one thousand percent.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, the reality is those It's hard to
Speaker 1: make a list, man, It's the NBA.
Speaker 3: It's the greatest players ever. Like, it's never going to be.
Speaker 1: Easy to make a list, and someone's always going to
Speaker 1: be left off of somebody else's list.
Speaker 4: That's just the way it is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I know awful lot of guys list. They're
Speaker 6: naming their guys, so it is what it is. But
Speaker 6: I know they still respected my game. So it's all good.
Speaker 1: Last one before we get out of here. What do
Speaker 1: you see for your Memphis basketball team achieving this year?
Speaker 1: Y'all off to an incredible start, starting starting up conference play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you foresee for this group that you currently have?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got a special group of guys.
Speaker 6: Man. Obviously, making the NCAA Tournament's an one thing, and
Speaker 6: when you get in the tournament, you know that anything
Speaker 6: can happen. I'm the guy in my seventh year. Now,
Speaker 6: I've gotten so much more wiser about how I see things.
Speaker 6: I want to be the best team playing in March.
Speaker 6: You know, I've never really said that. I've said I
Speaker 6: want to make the NCAA Tournament, want to win a championship.
Speaker 6: But I've learned to continue to grow every single day.
Speaker 6: And once you get in you have as great a
Speaker 6: chance to beat anybody on any given night. So I
Speaker 6: give us a chance against anybody on any given night
Speaker 6: when you have one day in between, you know. So
Speaker 6: for me making the tournament, staying healthy and then being
Speaker 6: the growing every single day and being the best team
Speaker 6: in March, we can we can make some noise.
Speaker 4: Amazing.
Speaker 3: Oh gee, we appreciate.
Speaker 6: You, man, I appreciate y'all too, man, sure God, God
Speaker 6: Man appreciate you, yes, sir. The volume