1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg Daybreak Aisia podcast. I'm Doug Krisner. 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: You can join Brian Curtis and myself for the stories, 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: making news and moving markets in the APAC region. You 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 2: can subscribe to the show anywhere you get your podcast 6 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 2: and always on Bloomberg Radio, the Bloomberg Terminal, and the 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Business app. 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 3: We are joined on the program now by Andrew Sliman. 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 3: I am Senior portfolio manager and head of Applied Equity 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 3: Advisors at Morgan Stanley. Andrew, great to have you back 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 3: on the program. A lot of the selling that we've 12 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 3: seen on Wall Street here and even elsewhere has been 13 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 3: in addressing the concentration in megacap names, and we've had 14 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 3: some seasonal factors too. But I want to start off 15 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 3: with a slightly different direction. The solid economic data that 16 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 3: we just reported there. It dents one of the other 17 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 3: bear talking points, a weakening economy, and it also kind 18 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 3: of adds to the City Economic Surprises Index that has 19 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 3: had a huge bounce in July. The economy is not 20 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 3: really weakening, is it. 21 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 4: Well, it's slowing, but it's not breaking. And I think 22 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 4: that's the key thing, and I think that's what is 23 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 4: a big reason you're seeing a rotation in leadership is 24 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 4: the market is coming around to believing that the FED 25 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 4: can cut that inflations come down. But they can cut, 26 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 4: but they can do it at their speed. It's not 27 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 4: a nervous cut. And in that environment, that's why I 28 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 4: think you're seeing small caps working. I think that's why 29 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 4: you're seeing cyclical cyclical socks working and a rotation away 30 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 4: from gross socks because seemingly the FED is getting what 31 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 4: they want, a low inflation and a slowing but not 32 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 4: breaking economy. 33 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: So are you seeing more of a rotation in coney 34 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: rather than any new money coming off the sideline. 35 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 4: I think there was quite a bit of money that 36 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 4: came off the sidelines in early July, but I think 37 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 4: this is more a rotation in the markets right now. 38 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 4: Now you know, I caveat all this by saying most 39 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 4: of the big megacaps tech stocks are yet to report, 40 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 4: and I think they will remind investors don't get too 41 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 4: negative on us. Our businesses are very very strong, so 42 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 4: I'm not I think it's a great What we've learned 43 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 4: in the last month is don't just own gross stocks, 44 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 4: don't just own megcap tech stocks, because they move together, 45 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 4: and when the world decides they don't like them, you're 46 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 4: gonna go down. You know, they all move together, So 47 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 4: you have to have some balance in your portfolio. For 48 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 4: what's happened in the last couple of weeks. 49 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 3: So we've seen Nvidia, broad Comment TSMC all pull back 50 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 3: about eighteen percent from inter day highs a couple of 51 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 3: weeks ago, and the NASTAC one hundred itself is down 52 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 3: about nine percent. We've seen kind of, you know, a 53 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 3: change basically in a lot of the momentum plays like 54 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 3: Eli Lilly for instance, nothing to do with high technology, 55 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 3: really down thirteen percent in eight sessions. So momentum plays 56 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: have been sort of turned on their head. But given 57 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 3: these numbers eighteen percent as I mentioned, and Lily down 58 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: fourteen percent, is it almost time to say enough already? 59 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 4: Yes? Because a question that I would ask you is 60 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 4: is there any fundamental change in any of these business 61 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 4: Has any of these companies come out and said eight 62 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 4: businesses and there is good? And so what I've learned 63 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 4: in this what I try to focus on in this 64 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 4: business is what companies are doing well that have raised guidance. 65 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 4: But for one reason the other Wall Street has fallen 66 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 4: out of love on a short term basis. I think 67 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 4: that's where you make your most money. 68 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: You've got a big bottom. I'm sorry to interrupt you there. 69 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 2: You've got a big convention in your town next month. 70 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: Is politics beginning to become a factor at all in 71 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 2: the way the market is kind of working through different 72 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 2: scenarios here, different styles of thought. 73 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, because if you think about it, 74 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 4: you know, once uh, you know, kind of President Trump 75 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 4: you know, looked like he was, you know, pulling ahead 76 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 4: when Joe Biden was suffering after the debate. Small cap 77 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 4: that was the you know, that was part of the 78 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 4: process of small caps in some of the value ares 79 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 4: because I think he is perceived as good for those areas. 80 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 4: But this past Monday, when it was apparent that Harris 81 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 4: Kamala Harris is going to take over being the Democrat canddate, 82 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 4: you saw megacap tech stocks actually rally because she is 83 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 4: from San Francisco, she has ties to Silicon Valley. So 84 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 4: I think there is movement back and forth, as you know, 85 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 4: you know, determined by who who's leading in the polls. 86 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 4: But having said all that, I worried because we get 87 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 4: a lot of inquiry from our investors asking about, you know, 88 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 4: the election, presidential election, and I don't hear as much 89 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 4: questions about the FED policy. And so I think in general, 90 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 4: people focus too much on elections and not it's enough 91 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 4: on FED policy. There's no proof really that Democrats or Republicans, 92 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 4: you know, the market does better under one or other, 93 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 4: but it's it is pretty conclusive that, you know, easier 94 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 4: FED policy is better for stocks. 95 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: Well, we had some comments from Bill Dudley and also 96 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: Ian Shepherdson saying that the FED is dangerously close to 97 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 3: being behind the curve and they better act quickly. That 98 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 3: doesn't seem to quite gel with the argument you laid 99 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 3: out for as the economy is cooling, but it's not 100 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 3: really weakening fast. 101 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean I read those comments, and I 102 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 4: think that's one of the reason why I think we're 103 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 4: getting close to actually a bottom in this little short 104 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 4: term correction, because I think he's signaling that he's given 105 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 4: that the Fed's going to be, you know, cutting rates. 106 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 4: But but I if the economy was collapsing, okay, you 107 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 4: would see the yield curve uninvert. You would see the 108 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 4: two year, yield plummet relative to the tenure. The yield 109 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 4: curve has started to uninvert somewhat, but it's not yet, 110 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 4: and so I think, you know it is. I I 111 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 4: am of the belief, and I've listened to a few 112 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 4: industrial conference calls now where they're saying, yeah, some of 113 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,239 Speaker 4: our businesses is slowing, but not our government business. Don't 114 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 4: lose sight of the fact that we have. It's a 115 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 4: lot of fiscal policy this year that is propping up 116 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 4: the economy. So I am definitely in the camp of 117 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 4: slowing but not breaking. And I think for Bill Dudley, 118 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 4: I think he's just saying, Okay, enough's enough. I think 119 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 4: they can ease. 120 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: We talk a lot on this show about markets in Asia. 121 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: How are you viewing opportunities offshore? Are you seeing anything 122 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 2: right now that's compelling? 123 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 4: Well, you know, very simple. What I start with is 124 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 4: where's the best earnings revisions happening is happening in the US, 125 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 4: and is happening in Japan. It's not happening in China. 126 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 4: It's certainly not happening in Europe. So those are areas 127 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 4: first I want to focus on. But having said that again, 128 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 4: as I said before, anytime there is opportunities where stocks 129 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 4: diverge from their fundamentals. I'm very interested so stock like 130 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 4: Taiwan Semiconductor some noise from politics, but boil Boy, their 131 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 4: business is booming. So you know, I think there's specific 132 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 4: ideas I just wouldn't make a big regional bet. Yeah. 133 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: I see that. You mentioned the leuxury good makers troubling 134 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 3: to a certain degree. They struggled with China. That's so 135 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: saved that for another day, Andrew. Thank you. Andrew Sliman 136 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 3: for Morgan Stanley. 137 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: Rebecca Waltzer. She is president of Walzer Wealth Management, and 138 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: she happens to be here in the Bloomberg Interactive Broker 139 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: Studio in New York. Good of you to drop by, 140 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: Thanks so much. 141 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. 142 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 2: Before we get into kind of the nuts and bolts, 143 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: what's happening in markets, I'd like to know what you're 144 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: hearing from clients right now. Are they worried about a 145 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: lot of the volatility that we've been seeing in markets. 146 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think anytime you see a twenty percent run 147 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: up starting at the end of last year, and you 148 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: kind of see this beautiful number through March and then 149 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: you start to hit the volatility it's a little bit 150 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: unerving to anybody. But then you compound that with an 151 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: election year, you compound that with the crazy things that 152 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: have happened just in the last ten days Doug, and 153 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 1: you really see people start to say, what is going on? 154 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: Are we in some kind of seed change world turnover? 155 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: What is happening here? Of course, I have been Mochro 156 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: macroeconomically focused for the last two and a half years, 157 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: and I've been definitely talking to clients about the global 158 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: seed changes that are coming. So they're a lot more 159 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: aware than I would say the average investor client because 160 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: we're just so focused on it in our practice. 161 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: So the news hasn't really changed for companies like Nvidia 162 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 3: and Broadcom, but the theme has changed. Investors now are 163 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 3: kind of doubting whether or not, you know, companies will 164 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 3: be able to monetize AI. Do you see it that 165 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 3: way or do you think that this is just a 166 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 3: sort of healthy correction because we ran too far too fast. 167 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: I definitely think that we did have a little bit 168 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: of a rational exuberance since the end of Q four 169 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: last year, But it is an a monetization problem. Anytime 170 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: you're on a new dynamic, a new frontier, especially technology. 171 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: We have this perfect example with the dot com. You know, 172 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: we knew it would be monetizable at some point, but 173 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, pets dot com that was worth a billion 174 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: dollars before it even had a to check a dog 175 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: bag out wasn't going to work. It's the same thing 176 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: with the AI runway. There's so many applications, but how 177 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: do we take it from industrial business to business B 178 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: to be to actual B two C and make it 179 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: profitable for both the consumer to use and the business 180 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: to produce. So that's really what we're seeing, and I 181 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: think the market has been priced so perfectly that if 182 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: you look at Google and you have a double beat, 183 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: but you still see it losing and trading in after 184 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: hours to the downside or people saying why, it's because 185 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: there was no real solid guidance on what AI is 186 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: actually going to deliver in terms of revenue and profitability. 187 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: You mentioned the fact that we're dealing with an election year. 188 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: Earlier in the show, we had a story on President 189 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 2: Trump commenting on the dollar, calling it a big currency problem. 190 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: One of the things that he highlighted, and Janet Yellen's 191 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 2: incidentally pushed back against this idea is that a strong 192 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: dollar is hurting US export competitiveness. Does he have a 193 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: point there or is the dollar strength really the reflection 194 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: of just the Fed trying to get inflation under control 195 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: and strong American economy and inflows from around the world 196 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: coming to the United States. 197 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: Well, I actually think it's both right. We definitely had 198 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: to strengthen the dollar to create too. It had to 199 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: become too expensive that we had less demand, we had 200 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: less economic activity, so we could bring inflation the heat 201 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: of the market down. So that had to happen. But 202 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: at the same time, look at our Japanese end situation, 203 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: you know, and the interventions that we've had with him 204 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: in just the last eight weeks. That is a problem. 205 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: This is a problem for you know, our partners globally 206 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: when they are bringing in and so tied intrically, their 207 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: currency is so tied to the dollar, and we have 208 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: you know, not to make the dollar political. I don't 209 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: like talking about politics, but you know, the rest of 210 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: the world does a lot of the rest of the world, 211 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: I should say, I should clarify, does view that America 212 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: did weaponize the dollar post Russia invasion of Ukraine in 213 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: March of twenty twenty two, and that has made a 214 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: lot of things happen a lot faster than maybe they 215 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: otherwise would have. Meaning d dollarization, the Bricks initiative, the 216 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: Mbridge initiative with the Bank of International Settlements, these things 217 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: that have come as a direct result from that action 218 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: really is a sea change moment in the global world 219 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: at currencies. 220 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: So you're dealing with high net worth individuals obviously to 221 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 3: a certain degree. I'm curious about when we see something 222 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 3: like Ford today down eighteen percent, it sort of raises 223 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 3: an eyebrow. I wonder whether or not the Wall Street 224 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 3: is looking a little bit more like a casino in 225 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 3: the past couple of weeks. So maybe you can even 226 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 3: say for the whole rally that we've seen. But do 227 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: you feel comfortable, I mean, how do your clients respond 228 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 3: to this kind of volatility in stock trading? 229 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that it's unnerving if you're 230 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: just watching the tickers right and you don't understand what's 231 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: going on. Our clients I feel, I mean, maybe they 232 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: should be speaking on their behalf, but I feel that 233 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: they are a lot more expected this kind of volatility 234 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: because I've been talking to them about the underlying you know, 235 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: fundamentals and technicals, and that I don't see the strength 236 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: that Wall Street has seemed the last you know, really 237 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: the just the positive momentum I thought was going to 238 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: be problematic, just because it was so sector defined and real. 239 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: Like I mean, if you put a dollar into the 240 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: S and P five hundred right now, twenty nine cents 241 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 1: of that dollar goes to the top five positions. If 242 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: you look at the top ten positions, it becomes thirty 243 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: seven cents on the dollar. We've never seen this kinds 244 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: of concentration. When you have this level of concentration, that 245 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: means that these stocks have to be perfect, they can't 246 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: have anything. 247 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: Go ahead, Sorry didn't Apple. Didn't Apple just soar right 248 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 3: through the global financial crisis and build a business that was, 249 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 3: you know, legendary. You know that's a parallel, isn't it. 250 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 3: It's a secular A secular change is what AI is. 251 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're absolutely right, and it will fundamentally change 252 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: everything that we do, how we work, how we live, 253 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: how we pay, how we do everything. It is probably 254 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: it is the largest technological change in the history of time, 255 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: and who knows what will come after. So yes, I 256 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: totally agree, But there is always a gap from the 257 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: runway to the application and the monetization, and so that's 258 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: what we're going to experience, and that will take time. 259 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: And unfortunately we don't have enough of a broad based 260 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: strength in the global economy to make AI carry the 261 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: tor trust for you know, successfully without any kind of 262 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: market problems volatility, And I do think I'll pull back. 263 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: I want to drag you back into politics. 264 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: Do you mind, No, none at all. 265 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 2: President Trump proposing tariffs ten percent and in some cases 266 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: something far greater than that, maybe one hundred percent, and 267 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: extending tax cuts if there is the opportunity to do so. 268 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: A lot of the economists that we have spoken with 269 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 2: point to those two problems or issues I should say, 270 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: as new problems on the horizon. Do you agree with that? 271 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you know, I am more of a laisse 272 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: a fair person, so I'm not usually a tariff person. Yes, yes, 273 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: But that's what exactly I was going to say. I 274 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: was like, when you see a Trump dealing with tariffs, 275 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: you're really dealing with him countermeasuring the most Favored Nation 276 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: status that the China still enjoys from the World Trade Organization, 277 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: even though they're really the second largest are in some 278 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: ways the largest economy in the world, So I think 279 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: that that's a counterbalance to other things that really aren't 280 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: technically fair and global financial arrangements. From a tax perspective, 281 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: of course, I would love as amount of taxes as possible, 282 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: But the truth is this country has a massive debt problem, 283 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: and I think that the debt problem could be a 284 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: crackup boom, a debt crisis, even a debt bubble collapse 285 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: that we could see. So as much as I think 286 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: that we must cut rates, because we have financed and 287 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: built acid classes in the last fifteen years on super 288 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: low cost of capital that cannot be sustained at these 289 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: higher levels of cost of care capital. If you cut 290 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: rates and blow up your taxes, the world is going 291 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: to say that dollar and the country has lost its 292 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: fiscal stability and we have to look to outside again. 293 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: It will just pressure again the d dollarization efforts that 294 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: are already so underway. So we can't go crazy with 295 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: tax cuts. 296 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 3: You'll kill me with this with this question, because I'm 297 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 3: giving and give you thirty seconds to answer it. In 298 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 3: terms of future massive changes in taxes in the United States, 299 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: how do you advise people to manage their money. 300 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you for an absolute certainty that 301 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: I believe that pre tax deferred retirement build up in 302 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: iras and four one ks are an absolute tax trap, 303 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: and that tax policy, mathematically speaking, can only go up 304 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: from here if we aren't going to actually deal with 305 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: our domestic social programs and cut benefits. We don't have 306 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: enough tax revenue to pay for even our baby boomers 307 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: as they retire in mass by twenty thirty, So we 308 00:16:58,520 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: have to deal with that. 309 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: Good conversation, very scary stuff. Thank you so much for 310 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: joining us, Rebecca, Rebecca Wallser, president of Walls or Wealth Management, 311 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: joining us here. 312 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 3: David Finnerty joins us Bloomberg FX and rate strategist around 313 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 3: at a time, but I just wanted to mention briefly David. 314 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 3: Singapore'smas maintained the slope, width and center of the currency band, 315 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 3: and the MAAS said that the core CPI will fall 316 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 3: further to around two percent in twenty twenty five. And 317 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 3: also we had inflation numbers in Tokyo accelerating for a 318 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 3: third month in July up to two point two percent 319 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 3: for consumer prices excluding fresh food. It's not all that hot, 320 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 3: but it was a little hotter than the two point 321 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 3: one percent, So a very basic question, are the kids 322 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 3: all right. 323 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 5: At the moment? Yes, I mean if you go to 324 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 5: mis first, coinflation is ticking down the MS, it's say 325 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 5: the expected to discern the drop in Q four and 326 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 5: then further two per set in twenty twenty five, so 327 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 5: they've seen the path they're liking it. I think the 328 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 5: key thing for the market is, well, how would the 329 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 5: recent Sloan gradual slowing of core CPR, which is what 330 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 5: MAS focused on, would it change the exchange rate policies 331 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 5: because farther than the interest rates, they focus on the 332 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 5: exchange rate or a sneer to be exact, And at 333 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 5: the moment the market wasn't shut and the moment it's 334 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 5: definitely no. In fact, there's signaling they're in no hurry 335 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 5: to change it. So if you abolish on a Singapore 336 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 5: dollar or you want to think of being outperformer, that's 337 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 5: certainly good news. And read chat Tokyo. I think basically 338 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 5: came in nine slightly lesson expected. Obviously it's more recent 339 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 5: than the national data because it's this month's data. I think, 340 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 5: going ahead of boj's decision, is still elevated. So if 341 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 5: they want to hike in again, that isn't if the 342 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 5: market's certainly thinking they may. If they do hike, they 343 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 5: certainly have the argument to back it up. 344 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 2: So the end has strengthened a bit in recent days. 345 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 2: Maybe that t has taken a bit of pressure. Is 346 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 2: there a call that you'd like to make on the 347 00:18:58,640 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 2: BOJ meeting next week? 348 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 5: I think, well, I think the call is if they 349 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 5: don't hike. I think the market now is looking for 350 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 5: high commits, but I think about sixty four percent price 351 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,479 Speaker 5: in for ten basis points, So I think if they 352 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 5: don't hike now, then I think the market becomes disappointed, 353 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 5: and the market tends to penalize you by setting your 354 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 5: currency if they're disappointed. So what Ironically, even though the 355 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,479 Speaker 5: BOJ hasn't really done anything, the market likes to get 356 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 5: ahead of itself because it's forward thinking. And now I 357 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 5: think if the BOJ doesn't deliver, then dolly En starts 358 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 5: heading up back up higher again. You have to see 359 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 5: what the FED says, that's obviously a key component, and 360 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 5: what the US data ism and payroll data says. But 361 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 5: if you'd say, just the BOJ by itself, if it 362 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 5: doesn't hike next week, I think dotty en starts pushing 363 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 5: higher again. That can averse quickly though, if US payroll 364 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 5: data was weak. 365 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 3: So let's take a look at overall risk and you 366 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 3: know how the global economy is performing. We had that 367 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 3: good economic data out of the United States, but we 368 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 3: had weak data in Germany and some warnings in fre 369 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 3: and we all know what's happening in China. On balance, 370 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 3: should we feel comfortable with the state of play in 371 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 3: the global economy or concern I. 372 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 5: Think that there's definitely a slow in economy. As you 373 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 5: right said, the US data was yes, there was very strong, 374 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 5: and we'll be looking at the data next week to 375 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 5: support that. But you he said, in Germany, the PMI 376 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 5: data came out in your zone did disappoint and obviously 377 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 5: China's been disappointing. But again, I think it's a gradual 378 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 5: slow down. No one's expecting a great recession at the moment. 379 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 5: I mean, you think yours an economy actually has actually 380 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 5: picked up. The German economy has picked up. It was 381 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 5: in a worse state just you know, a few months 382 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 5: ago or last year, so there has been an improvement. 383 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 5: So I don't think you can go by just one 384 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 5: piece of data and say that's it. You have to 385 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 5: look at the trend. I think the more we have 386 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 5: a slow in economic global economy, but once not in 387 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 5: overall bad shape. It's growing and we have inflation coming 388 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 5: under control. So I think the goldlock scenario to some 389 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 5: degree still does exist. 390 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 2: And raid cuts in China a number of them, I 391 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: mean loan prime rates, the LF as well. What's your sense. 392 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 2: So in terms of the strategy that the PBOC is 393 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: undertaking at this moment, well. 394 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 5: It certainly seems that they are directing the policy more 395 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 5: towards the shorter term rates seven day versus repo rates. 396 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 5: But obviously when the people look at the third Plenum 397 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 5: last week, and if we're honest, no one's really surprised 398 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 5: that it didn't come out with a real stimulating growth program. 399 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 5: And therefore we're seeing some policy support from monetary policy. 400 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 5: And then that you can't do it all by itself. 401 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 5: It does need fiscal support to do some of the 402 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 5: heavy lifting. But certainly it seems to be that they 403 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 5: are comfortable easy rates. I say comfortable because obviously it 404 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 5: puts pressure normally you think on that will weakened the yuan. 405 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 5: Obviously we saw it rally yesterday, but I think some 406 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 5: of that was really more to do with the global 407 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 5: unwinding of positions that we've seen this whole week, with 408 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 5: obviously then being the main beneficiary. I think if US 409 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,239 Speaker 5: data continues to be strong, I think the dollar ye 410 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 5: one will slightly grown higher. But at the moment, just 411 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 5: this easy of policy rates does indicate that they are 412 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 5: more tolerant s we say of a slightly weaky on. 413 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 3: Well, this is the seasonally tough period for equities and 414 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 3: other risk assets. If we do see a lot more 415 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 3: selling in global equities, would that be positive for the dollar? 416 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 3: Would we see you know, sort of the dollar as 417 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 3: a haven play benefit and you know, throw some of 418 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 3: these movements in the yuan and the un and the 419 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 3: yen off to. 420 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 5: Something to go. Yes, I think that does the dollar 421 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 5: tend to benefit? And say in risk off it does, 422 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 5: But then so does the en, and so does the 423 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,719 Speaker 5: Swiss rank. So I think the move against the end 424 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 5: gets more muddied, shall we say, by this risk off, 425 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 5: I think more of the policies of the Fed and 426 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 5: BOJA will come to play. But certainly, if you're looking 427 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 5: at the dollar versus other counties, say the year one 428 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 5: or against Asian currencies, then yes, the risk off really 429 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 5: should be, in theory be dollars supportive. And I think 430 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 5: what's interesting you have. I've had this big rally in 431 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 5: equities and it's gone on. No, no, no, no, on and 432 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 5: on and markets historically at some point they all correct. 433 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 5: They just do it. And I'm not saying they crash. 434 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 5: I'm just saying they correct. Could it be twenty percent correction, 435 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 5: could be a fifteen percent correction, and all you really 436 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 5: had in this say, look can SP five hundred is 437 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 5: this light correction in April vishyere and it chugged on 438 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 5: and really it's gone from about forty one hundred to 439 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 5: fifty six hundred and fifty seven hundred, so very big rally. 440 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 5: So if early next week a week, I think there's 441 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,719 Speaker 5: room for that correction to be bigger. 442 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's only been about five percent for the S 443 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 3: and P five hundred, And it's interesting that we've seen 444 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 3: the yen strengthened by five percent, the Nike correct, the 445 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 3: Nasdaq one hundred correct. 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