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Speaker 1: the answer too. Hi there, Welcome again to another episode
Speaker 1: of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe, joined this week by and Steve. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so joined this week, I guess joined every week. I'm Steven.
Speaker 1: I'm filling steve seat this week. Yeah, I'm Devin, filling
Speaker 1: in for Devon. She's on assignment. Yeah, and I've taken
Speaker 1: over Joe's body. I'm not really Joe. Yeah. Okay, So
Speaker 1: let's tackle a mystery. Guys, ready, all right? This week
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the mysterious death of Huey
Speaker 1: Long in Loong is pretty famous guy. Probably most of
Speaker 1: you have heard of him, a certain if you're an
Speaker 1: older American, you've heard of him. He obviously was noticed
Speaker 1: a kingfish. He was governor of Louisiana from nineteen twenty
Speaker 1: eight to nineteen thirty two, and then was elected to
Speaker 1: the US Senate from Louisiana in nineteen thirty two. He
Speaker 1: was assassinated in nineteen thirty five. And don't don't feel
Speaker 1: bad if you haven't actually heard of him, because I hadn't.
Speaker 1: You hadn't heard of him? You? Yeah? I had, But
Speaker 1: that's because was it. John Goodman played a role as
Speaker 1: him in the movie The Kingfish. I think it was
Speaker 1: John Goodman. That's the other reason I knew about it.
Speaker 1: Although you want to know a funny side note, Okay,
Speaker 1: so here it is. Anyway, Joe initially was pitching this
Speaker 1: story to me a couple of weeks ago, and I
Speaker 1: didn't remember who hughe Long was and I got him
Speaker 1: completely confused with somebody else in American politics, which would
Speaker 1: be James Garfield, al who was assassinated, and I was
Speaker 1: I was sitting there going, dude, I don't know how
Speaker 1: you're gonna turn the assassin a nation of James Garfield
Speaker 1: into a podcast that doesn't work. The only thing that
Speaker 1: I know about Garfield is, you know the disgusting stuff
Speaker 1: that happened to him after he was shot. You guys
Speaker 1: know that, right, No, actually kind of iger to that
Speaker 1: what happened. So when he was shot, he was shot
Speaker 1: in the stomach and he couldn't eat, so they had
Speaker 1: he stayed alive for weeks after the fact. So one
Speaker 1: of the things they tried to do to keep him alive,
Speaker 1: this is an actual thing. They gave him what are
Speaker 1: called nutrient enemas they I think it was peanut butter
Speaker 1: they were putting. They were feeding him rectally, which caused
Speaker 1: such obscene gas that even the doctors couldn't be in
Speaker 1: the room. But I was. I I just couldn't figure
Speaker 1: out how you would turn that into a mystery. You know,
Speaker 1: it's tied to change the ocast anyway. Yeah, because yeah,
Speaker 1: we kind of we kind of tapped out all the
Speaker 1: whole unsolved mysteries. This is the last one except for yeah, none,
Speaker 1: this is the last one. I checked the internet left
Speaker 1: nothing left. Yeah, sorry, folks, Okay, back to our mystery.
Speaker 1: He along. Oh yeah, that's right, We're actually doing a
Speaker 1: real mystery. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, he he was. He was popular,
Speaker 1: he belong was popular with Louisiana. But it's also very polarizing.
Speaker 1: You either loved him or you hated him. His detractors
Speaker 1: called him, among other things, a dictator, a demagogue, fascist,
Speaker 1: and a socialist. Demagogue is like one of my favorite words. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a good word. What is specifically, what the
Speaker 1: definition of demagogue? Because I've seen it used and I
Speaker 1: never I've always heard it describe in different ways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess the best definition is a demagogue is somebody
Speaker 1: who tells I think insightful lies, you know, inciting lies, like,
Speaker 1: for example, Al Sharpton. I would I would call Al Sharpton.
Speaker 1: Sorry for any Al Sharpton fans out there, but I
Speaker 1: would say he demagogues a lot of issues by by
Speaker 1: taking taking an issue that's really you know, and and
Speaker 1: interpreting it in in an unreasonable way. Do you want the dictionary?
Speaker 1: Let me have that. Yeah, it's a noun. It's for
Speaker 1: a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular
Speaker 1: desires and prejudices rather than using rational arguments. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: probably a better definition than mine. He long achieved his
Speaker 1: goals generally through intimidation and bribery rather than just persuasion.
Speaker 1: He was basically a machine politician, and he controlled and
Speaker 1: appoint appointed people to lots and lots of jobs, and
Speaker 1: so he was able to dole out favors to his
Speaker 1: his buddies and his cronies and political allies. And that
Speaker 1: was pretty common though in that day. Yeah, yeah, very much. So.
Speaker 1: He was the picture of a corrupt politician. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: he also tried to make life hell for his opponents.
Speaker 1: He would he would go out of his way to
Speaker 1: get people fired and people who weren't actually speaking at
Speaker 1: against them. They just happen to be members of the
Speaker 1: family of somebody who across him, and say the family
Speaker 1: member thing is what I always just shook my head
Speaker 1: at that. Yeah, he was. He was very vindictive. Anyway.
Speaker 1: He uh long actually campaign for Roosevelt in nineteen eight
Speaker 1: or Exis Meet two I believe it was. But after
Speaker 1: he was elected to the Senate, he decided to break
Speaker 1: with the Roosevelt administration and he started thinking about running
Speaker 1: for the presidency himself. He was a big critic of
Speaker 1: the Federal Reserve Bank, and he said that his policies
Speaker 1: were the real cause of the Great Depression. And in
Speaker 1: that particular instance he might have actually had a point.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't agree with Hu Belong on a lot of things,
Speaker 1: but anyway, to move on. He was in the Senate
Speaker 1: now in nineteen thirty four, and he introduced his bright
Speaker 1: idea which called he called share our Wealth. So his
Speaker 1: plan was a very radical one to cap personal fortunes
Speaker 1: at fifty million dollars limit annually comes to a million dollars,
Speaker 1: and cap inheritance. Inheritance says that five million dollars and
Speaker 1: then spread all the wealth around. That's your generalmen taken
Speaker 1: by the government. I've okay, I've read this a number
Speaker 1: of times and they never quite understood. So if I
Speaker 1: am making over fifty mill, then anything above that number
Speaker 1: the government takes, that's you. That's not your income. The
Speaker 1: fifty million is your personal fortune, what you have in assets,
Speaker 1: bank account. So you can't be personally worth more than
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars. You can't make more than one million
Speaker 1: dollars a year, and you can't inherit more than five
Speaker 1: million dollars five million in assets. Yeah, yeah, I mean totally. So,
Speaker 1: so then what happens What would happen if I made
Speaker 1: one point one million? What happens to that point one million?
Speaker 1: Does the government then take that and use it however
Speaker 1: it deems fit? Is that how this was going to work?
Speaker 1: Apparently that's how it was going to work. And I
Speaker 1: don't know what I guess. I suppose if say, if
Speaker 1: you have a fortune of a fifty million, and so
Speaker 1: you make a million bucks that year, I suppose you
Speaker 1: don't get to keep any of it, because you know
Speaker 1: you can, Otherwise you'd be tacking it onto your personal fortune,
Speaker 1: and then you'd have fifty one million. From an economic standpoint,
Speaker 1: this is a terrible idea, you know, well, I mean
Speaker 1: it encourages people to spend what they make instead of
Speaker 1: saving it. Right, it encourages the spreading of wealth, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the ideal trickle down economics. Right,
Speaker 1: it's the pinnacle of encouraging people who have to spend
Speaker 1: back into the economy that maybe fuels other people. I
Speaker 1: think it's one of those things that in theory it
Speaker 1: could could or could not be a good idea. In practice,
Speaker 1: there's no way I was gonna say. In practice, it
Speaker 1: discourages people from doing things, taking a risk, to do
Speaker 1: something that can make gods of money, because then they're
Speaker 1: going to be over the limit. And why the hell
Speaker 1: would I want to take that risk and make all
Speaker 1: that money just to not get just to invest all
Speaker 1: that time and effort and my capital to then get
Speaker 1: my capital back but then get no return on it
Speaker 1: because now I've got too much money. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: that's an economic theory. There's a whole bunch of stuff there, Brian,
Speaker 1: Now we're not here to talk about. Yeah. Obviously, his
Speaker 1: his proposal didn't get very far in the Senate, so
Speaker 1: he started he started a political organization called the Share
Speaker 1: Our Wealth Society, which was essentially like a political party,
Speaker 1: and it had twenty seven thousand clubs quote unquote across
Speaker 1: the country, and by the time he Long died, the
Speaker 1: society had seven and a half million members. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it was you know, obviously a lot of people like
Speaker 1: that idea. After he went to the Senate, he Long
Speaker 1: continued to dominate Louisiana politics. He went back to Baton
Speaker 1: Rouge quite often and wrote and lobby for bills. He
Speaker 1: never really left them his position as government, not entirely.
Speaker 1: You know, when he went he was he would zip
Speaker 1: over to Washington for a little bit and then come back,
Speaker 1: and apparently the governor succeeded him with whenever whenever he
Speaker 1: Long was in town, he Long would just take over
Speaker 1: his office. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that went over really
Speaker 1: well with him. He was a supporter, so I'm sure
Speaker 1: it was one of those things you had to do
Speaker 1: for the man who got you the job. But he
Speaker 1: also just he'd walk and he'd walk all over everybody
Speaker 1: and just yelling, point and holler and dictate to people
Speaker 1: what needed to be done when it was not his
Speaker 1: position anymore. But He's still a lot of people did
Speaker 1: what he told him to do. He still had lots
Speaker 1: of influence. Yeah, his consolidation power continued to grow even
Speaker 1: though he was no longer the governor, and opposition got
Speaker 1: more intense and sometimes even violent. There was actually talking
Speaker 1: about armed rebellion, and yeah, he um. In that summer
Speaker 1: of nineteen five, he called two more special sessions of
Speaker 1: the legislature and passed a bunch of bills and got
Speaker 1: his all his cronies in the legislature to pass up
Speaker 1: a bunch of bills. They consolidate his control over the
Speaker 1: state by creating several new state agencies, wasn't it? What
Speaker 1: weren't The bills passed kind of like rapid fire, one
Speaker 1: after another, and there wasn't even they didn't even read
Speaker 1: the bills voting on it. They just said, okay, next one. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So let's see what new state agencies he created here.
Speaker 1: A State Bond and Tax Board holding soul authority to
Speaker 1: approve approve alone to parish and municipal governments. A new
Speaker 1: state Printing Board which could withhold quote unquote official printers
Speaker 1: status from uncooperative newspapers that was aimed to stop people
Speaker 1: who were bashing along. Yeah, so essentially, yeah, and first amendment, Yes,
Speaker 1: pretty much a new board of Election Supervisors, which would
Speaker 1: appoint all poll watchers. Now that's handy to have on
Speaker 1: elections for hand control over all the all the poll
Speaker 1: watchers across the state. And also a state board of censors.
Speaker 1: He Long controlled all appointments to all these boards, of
Speaker 1: course he did. Yeah it do you know? You may
Speaker 1: or may not know was the wording of the new
Speaker 1: laws specifically and Huey Long or was it and the
Speaker 1: Senator of the state in Louisiana only they went through
Speaker 1: the Senate, right, But I'm saying lived the bill that
Speaker 1: they passed, you know, I did it? Say, I don't
Speaker 1: think they did, but I think I think it was.
Speaker 1: I think everybody just assumed that hue Long was going
Speaker 1: to going to make the appointments or else he was
Speaker 1: actually actually the appointments would have been made by the governor,
Speaker 1: who I'm sure I would do exactly what. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: a nice guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: go there are lots of other stuff that he did.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you've read up in this guy at all,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, he's kind of a jerk. He was
Speaker 1: a flaming jerky. So there's a trail of bodies, so
Speaker 1: to speak, behind this guy. Yeah, I wouldn't. I would
Speaker 1: not be surprised to find out there's a trail of
Speaker 1: real bodies. Actually, one of his, one of his, one
Speaker 1: of his political opponents, actually did die in a convenient
Speaker 1: train wreck. It's a car train wreck. But that could
Speaker 1: have been an accident. It could have been Yeah, it
Speaker 1: could have been probably not. Yeah, you know, those happen. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In August of nineteen thirty five, Long finally announced that
Speaker 1: he was going to run for president the following year.
Speaker 1: But a month later, September eight, nineteen thirty five, he
Speaker 1: was at the state capitol ramming through a new law,
Speaker 1: which is called House Bill number one, which was a
Speaker 1: redistric between plan. One of his opponents was a judge
Speaker 1: named Henry Povey who served in the sixteenth District judge ship,
Speaker 1: and he'd been there since nineteen ten. Is an elected Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had been there. Yeah. Uh So the House Bill
Speaker 1: number one was specifically meant to change the boundaries of
Speaker 1: his district to include more Long supporters so that he
Speaker 1: would be out of a job come next election. That
Speaker 1: passed about nine fifteen the night of September eight. It
Speaker 1: was a long session. Um oh yeah, I forgot one
Speaker 1: other thing. Oh yeah. Apparently Long also told Pobby that
Speaker 1: he was going to tell everybody in the world that
Speaker 1: Pobby's family was tainted with quote coffee blood, unquote coffee blood,
Speaker 1: meaning they had there was a there was a black
Speaker 1: person somewhere in the family here. Okay, I was going
Speaker 1: to say this, this is a Rachel slur, I'm assuming
Speaker 1: for the time. Yeah, yeah, and it's like yeah, and
Speaker 1: this is Louisiana and the so obviously that it would
Speaker 1: be a bigger deal kind of accusation. No, I can
Speaker 1: see in context how offensive that would be for an
Speaker 1: upstanding for the time, the upstanding white citizen to be
Speaker 1: accused of that, just knowing how people were at that time, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a serious thing then, Yeah, obviously,
Speaker 1: but yeah, and some some certain communities that still isab
Speaker 1: which is still dumb. But okay, now back to back
Speaker 1: to the session. Actually, let's talk about let's talk about
Speaker 1: the assassin whose name was Dr Carl Weiss. He was
Speaker 1: twenty nine years old. He was Judge Bobby's son in
Speaker 1: law and he was at the capital that day, trying
Speaker 1: to get to speak to Long, but every time he
Speaker 1: would approach him to get a rude brush off from
Speaker 1: Long and his bodyguards. How many were there, by the
Speaker 1: way the bodyguard I was there were able to find
Speaker 1: out exactly how many I got. I got a feeling
Speaker 1: there were at least four, if not like six or eight.
Speaker 1: I mean there were a bunch of they were all
Speaker 1: state troopers. Well, and I remember reading I can't remember
Speaker 1: what it was about something a year or two prior
Speaker 1: that had caused him to then only travel with bodyguards.
Speaker 1: But I had never seen how many there were. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure either. I'm sure there were. I know
Speaker 1: there were at least four. I don't know. That's that's
Speaker 1: better than I don't. So I suspect there could have
Speaker 1: been a whole bunch of them, because he'll find out
Speaker 1: this in a second. Um, yeah he was. He kept
Speaker 1: trying to approach Long, and he get rudely brushed off
Speaker 1: and Carl Wise A Wise and PM. Just after House
Speaker 1: bield number one had passed, Long exited the Legislative chamber
Speaker 1: was in the corridor outside, and he was approached by
Speaker 1: Wise the third time. Although some some accounts of this
Speaker 1: say that Wiss was actually hiding behind a column in
Speaker 1: the in the in the corridor, and as as Long
Speaker 1: walked by, he popped out. He owned the thirty two
Speaker 1: caliber automatic that he usually kept in his car, but
Speaker 1: apparently added on him. When he tried to touch a Long,
Speaker 1: he got another insulting brush off, at which point he
Speaker 1: pulled up thirty two and shot Long from about four
Speaker 1: feet away, although there's evidence that if he didn't cheat,
Speaker 1: did you shoot Long? And he actually shot him from
Speaker 1: like right up close and personal, actually put the gun
Speaker 1: to his body and because apparently there were there were
Speaker 1: powder burns his jacket. Yeah, we've talked about some of
Speaker 1: that before. You do have to be exceedingly closed for
Speaker 1: the powder burns to transfer. Yeah, definitely, certainly closer than
Speaker 1: four ft. Yeah. Yeah. Again, it's like there's a lot
Speaker 1: of different witnesses and a lot of different accounts of this.
Speaker 1: The bodyguards were turned fire and they shot Wis sixty
Speaker 1: two times, which is reasonable. Yeah, he was clearly dangerous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what was it was like thirty some bullets in the
Speaker 1: in the torso, five or ten in the head and
Speaker 1: the rest in the legs. I mean it's just like
Speaker 1: literally riddled with bullets. Yeah, I was a human callandar
Speaker 1: at that point. Oh yeah, I think about it is
Speaker 1: is that when when when we were the cops at least,
Speaker 1: this is the way it seems to happen these days
Speaker 1: in this town. Whenever they shoot somebody a bunch of times,
Speaker 1: usually about half the bullets miss, if not more. There
Speaker 1: was a lot of lead fline around that shots. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that or they just shot like hundred and twenty times.
Speaker 1: Well they were automatics, yeah, yeah, maybe they had a
Speaker 1: couple of Tommy guns. I don't know, it could have
Speaker 1: been that. I don't Yeah, I can't say I remember
Speaker 1: seeing something about Tommy guns. But it seems that seems
Speaker 1: really excessive for a bodyguard for a U. S. Senator
Speaker 1: to be packing around. I mean that's just that's a
Speaker 1: lot firepower. Yeah that certainly, yes, Uh, but I have
Speaker 1: no idea. Yeah, I think that. I think really probably
Speaker 1: you know, they probably shot him about a dozen times
Speaker 1: and then just stood over his body and shot him
Speaker 1: a bunch more times. Yeah, so basically he died. So
Speaker 1: were they not taking care? They were busy shooting? What
Speaker 1: was what was Long doing? Did Long die? Immediately he
Speaker 1: felt round. No, no, no, yeah he did. He wasn't
Speaker 1: dead at that point. He staggered down the corridor and
Speaker 1: went down four flights of stairs where he met somebody
Speaker 1: and that the name of this person is unknown, but
Speaker 1: that's that's. This person drove him to the our lady
Speaker 1: of the Lake Sanitarium, which is about a quarter mile away.
Speaker 1: That person is always referred to as an associate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I when I when I read your stuff and I'd
Speaker 1: read it and I realized I hadn't found it. I
Speaker 1: kept trying to find that. It's always an associate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So don't ask me. Did she have a sword for
Speaker 1: King Arthur? Seah? Yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah, I can't hear
Speaker 1: that without thinking about yeah, yeah, sorry, where are we
Speaker 1: at here? Oh? Yeah, yeah, lady. So he was operated
Speaker 1: on and patched up, but he died anyway about thirty
Speaker 1: hours later. So he belong is dead assassinated? But was
Speaker 1: he actually assassinated? Was he? Yeah? That's the mystery. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: The other mystery is what kind of medical treatment did
Speaker 1: he get? Was it adequate? Yeah? It was it adequate?
Speaker 1: Seems like maybe not. I don't know that that that
Speaker 1: that question is right to ask based on what I've read,
Speaker 1: but I know we're going to get into it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's hard to I mean, a bullet to the gut,
Speaker 1: it just depends on what it hits and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Back to Hue, he was even though he was popular
Speaker 1: with some people, he said, he alienated a lot of
Speaker 1: other people, and even in the medical community he had
Speaker 1: alienated people, um and so he didn't trust any old
Speaker 1: doctor to operate on him or treat him. But there
Speaker 1: was a doctor who happened to be in the hospital
Speaker 1: at the time, who was a long appointee and then
Speaker 1: therefore considered trustworthy, just happened to be there. Yeah. His
Speaker 1: name was Art was Arthur of Adrien U and he
Speaker 1: was acceptable, even though they were probably far better surgeons
Speaker 1: out there. You know, the other surgeons can maybe wanted
Speaker 1: to kill Long. So but what I've been shot, I
Speaker 1: usually don't squabble about who my doctor is. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Artur Adrien. Doctor Adrine examined Hue Long and decided that
Speaker 1: the wound was a through and through wound, one in
Speaker 1: the front, back and out to back. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: told Long the surgery was needed, and Long agreed to that,
Speaker 1: but he requested a couple of well known surgeons from
Speaker 1: New Orleans who were summoned as as his condition was
Speaker 1: deteriorating so much it was decided that surgery couldn't wait.
Speaker 1: I also remember one of those doctors got weirdly delayed
Speaker 1: by a car accident. Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of him couldn't make it because well he was
Speaker 1: a fender bender. Yeah, which is a conspiracy. I mean no,
Speaker 1: it's not. Sorry, Yeah, the politics is you know, I
Speaker 1: think everything in Louisiana at this time, and maybe it's
Speaker 1: still this way today, I don't know. Was everything seemed
Speaker 1: to be politicized. So anyway, Arthur, doctor of a drine,
Speaker 1: became the chief surgeon, and he was assisted by two
Speaker 1: other surgeons and as caesiologist was recruited. His name was
Speaker 1: Henry McCowen, but he was anti Long, and he had
Speaker 1: reportedly said just a couple of days before that if
Speaker 1: he ever did any Segon and Huey Long, he would
Speaker 1: never wake up. So he said he would do it,
Speaker 1: but he stipulated that another doctor had to be right
Speaker 1: at the side watching his every move. Spart Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: smart move. Oh and so time time for surgery. But
Speaker 1: what didn't they do before surgery? They didn't take any
Speaker 1: X rays? Do you know why why? No, I'm asking.
Speaker 1: I've never found out why. I don't know why. I mean,
Speaker 1: I really can't understand. It seemed to me you'd want
Speaker 1: to take an X ray or two and find out
Speaker 1: where the bullet is if there's And maybe that's why
Speaker 1: they didn't do it. Is maybe they felt like the
Speaker 1: doctor concluded it was through and through wounds, so if
Speaker 1: he had already decided that the bullet was not in
Speaker 1: the body, maybe they didn't need to take the time
Speaker 1: to do X rays and was kind of rushing into
Speaker 1: the surgery. Six hours between the time that he arrived
Speaker 1: and the time he went into surgery. Correct, No, it
Speaker 1: wasn't that long, was it? Was it? Not that I
Speaker 1: thought it was. Was it three? Or how long was it? Then?
Speaker 1: I thought it was like six hours between when he
Speaker 1: arrived and when the scalpel touched because he was waiting
Speaker 1: for those other doctors. No, actually it was almost two hours. Okay,
Speaker 1: well started the surgery. Regardless, two hours seemed like more
Speaker 1: than enough time to wheelem into the X ray bay
Speaker 1: and at least take a shot. I don't know if
Speaker 1: if he thought it was through and through. If there's
Speaker 1: a hole in the front and a hole in the back,
Speaker 1: where else did the bullet going to be? Why even
Speaker 1: bother taking an X ray? Those things are expensive, but
Speaker 1: but the thing is that X rays show things, not
Speaker 1: just metal, but you do see I mean, granted the
Speaker 1: technology wasn't that great at the time, but it would
Speaker 1: give you an idea of if there's pooling of blood
Speaker 1: in areas of the body. Because he's gonna have to
Speaker 1: be in a prone position to take this, not as
Speaker 1: if he can stand up, probably show you, like you know,
Speaker 1: some ribs got chipped or broken exactly. He's gonna have
Speaker 1: been laid out for a while. So I just I
Speaker 1: feel like there would have been some information to be
Speaker 1: gained from doing the X ray. There were some there
Speaker 1: were some strange decisions made regarding this whole surgery. It was.
Speaker 1: It was a really, really peculiar thing. Anyway, I'll get
Speaker 1: into that. A guy named ed Read wrote a book
Speaker 1: about this whole thing, about about the death of Belong.
Speaker 1: It was called Requiem for a Kingfish, and he said
Speaker 1: necessarily was quote one of the most bizarre and unreal
Speaker 1: operating room settings that one could possibly imagine spectators, bodyguards
Speaker 1: and medical professionals elbowed each other for space in the
Speaker 1: operating room. Unquote, Well, there goes all the sterilists practices.
Speaker 1: Some of them some of them were surgical gowns, but
Speaker 1: most were in the street clothes. And yeah, just standing
Speaker 1: right there in the operating room. It's no wonder he
Speaker 1: died this. He did get an infection later. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know this makes me think of is whenever it's
Speaker 1: a big political figure, this kind of garbage happens. I
Speaker 1: swear it was something like a similar situation when there
Speaker 1: was the attempted assassination of Ono Reagan that a bunch
Speaker 1: of people were in the room was being treated. JFK
Speaker 1: was the other one. There was a bunch of secret
Speaker 1: service in the room. What what where does? Why is
Speaker 1: it when you're super super important do we throw out
Speaker 1: all of the safety rules. Well, I wonder if the
Speaker 1: reason that you have a body guarden there is to
Speaker 1: make sure that you know that your person is going
Speaker 1: to wake up from anesthesia, right, I mean somebody didn't
Speaker 1: snuff him. Yeah, the opportunity. Yeah, that's the thing is
Speaker 1: if you're if you're the surgeon or surgeons. In this case,
Speaker 1: you probably want to have at least one or two
Speaker 1: of Wong's cronies in there to witness it and make sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounded like a house party, Yeah, I know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was probably a little over Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think any of these people, if they were
Speaker 1: in street clothes, I'm sure they didn't like, you know,
Speaker 1: scrub or sanitize themselves in so Dr Madrine was assisted
Speaker 1: by two other surgeons, one of whom was named Cook.
Speaker 1: I can't remember his first name. They opened longing up,
Speaker 1: they found it appeared that he hadn't been damaged too badly.
Speaker 1: His colon was perforated, so they repaired that and then
Speaker 1: they stitched him up and apparently no bullet was found.
Speaker 1: But accounts differ on this, yeah quite a bit. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'll talk about that in a little bit. Uh.
Speaker 1: And Arthur Adrien reportedly said that it was just a
Speaker 1: perforation of the intest But then later on another doctor
Speaker 1: arrived at the hospital and he told that doctor that
Speaker 1: the right kidney was damaged and bleeding, and he was
Speaker 1: asked if he'd seen the kidney in Madrid, said that
Speaker 1: he had only felt it that. Really it doesn't make
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. You know, if you've determined the
Speaker 1: k the kid is damaged, but you don't bother doing
Speaker 1: any repairs before you close them up. Look at it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got the wrinkled eyebrow thing going like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. Well I don't get it either. But like
Speaker 1: I said, this is a strange, strange medical situation. And
Speaker 1: I read a really long, very scholarly article on this.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys read that through that thing.
Speaker 1: That's quite good. Actually, yeah, it's yeah. And he uh,
Speaker 1: he says that it's his apparent that medical practice was
Speaker 1: tainted by politics in this case anything, Yeah, he belongs,
Speaker 1: condition deteriorated, It was apparent he was losing blood, so
Speaker 1: that man, he was bleeding internally. And six hours after surgery,
Speaker 1: a blood count was done. It showed the signs that
Speaker 1: he was had an action surprising, Yeah, big surprise. Huh.
Speaker 1: Hopefully that the surgeons scrubbed in at last before you know,
Speaker 1: please at least one person in this Yeah, but the
Speaker 1: but the doctors felt that Long was too weak to
Speaker 1: withstand another surgery, so they just gave him drugs and
Speaker 1: blood transfusion and eventually, thirty hours after he was shot,
Speaker 1: he died. Yeah, that's not going to keep I mean,
Speaker 1: not for too long unless you can stop the bleeding. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I understand him at a doctor, and I understand that
Speaker 1: when someone is desperately, desperately ill, the trauma of cutting
Speaker 1: them back open and rooting around in their insides is
Speaker 1: going to do do more harm than good. Yes, the shock,
Speaker 1: it's a very huge shock to your system. But if
Speaker 1: if this guy has already got an incision where they've
Speaker 1: gone in once, that's not that's not really a new
Speaker 1: trauma to cut the stitches. And if all you're going
Speaker 1: in to do is say, I know the kidney's got
Speaker 1: a perforation, let's stitch it up real quick, I don't
Speaker 1: see how. Then again, practice is the time or not
Speaker 1: what they are now. It used to be shoved your
Speaker 1: hands in there and did everything and juggle all the
Speaker 1: guts around, whereas now they've got better tools so they're
Speaker 1: not doing all of that. But it just amazes me.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you've had three transfusions today and we're
Speaker 1: just not going to do anything. Well, I don't think,
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think that an incision like that
Speaker 1: begins to heal much more quickly than I think you
Speaker 1: might think it does. It's not. I don't think it
Speaker 1: is a matter of just like stitches and the note,
Speaker 1: it's just an opening that's like still there. I think
Speaker 1: that you know, it's starting to scap hopefully ideally right,
Speaker 1: it's starting to scab over, its starting to heal itself.
Speaker 1: Damage that. I'm sorry but to redamage that it's probably
Speaker 1: going to do like way more shocked than it would
Speaker 1: have been to even kind of open he's gonna have again. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: we have any surgeons out there, why don't you guys
Speaker 1: like and let us know. He's probably some guy doing
Speaker 1: open heart surgery. Right now, let's listening to our podcast
Speaker 1: yelling no, what you're doing? Never saw? Okay, where were
Speaker 1: we off topic? Yeah, amazing, I think we're at theories. No,
Speaker 1: not quite the one one last interesting little thing here.
Speaker 1: No autopsy was done. Yeah, I mean seriously, no autopsy
Speaker 1: was done. That would have been actually really helpful, super helpful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but apparently he belongs wife didn't want an autopsy done,
Speaker 1: so they didn't do it. So I guess unless we
Speaker 1: go to Louisiana and dig up his body and check
Speaker 1: for bullets in it. Well, even then I think it's
Speaker 1: probably it's probably pretty far calling, right, Yeah. Actually Dr
Speaker 1: Karl Weiss's body was exhumed. Why, Yeah, interesting, Well, apparently
Speaker 1: apparently they were counting the bullets. Now, they didn't need
Speaker 1: to catch the bullets so much that I think they
Speaker 1: wanted they wanted to do like blood and tissue samples
Speaker 1: or whatever whatever they could and find out if there
Speaker 1: was any evidence of anything in his brain that could
Speaker 1: have caused him to go around the bend and shoot,
Speaker 1: because he really wasn't a violent He wasn't a violent person,
Speaker 1: and even though he had somewhat of a motive, it
Speaker 1: wasn't a strong motive really, not murder, not for murdering. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and so that that well was it was it drugs,
Speaker 1: There was it some sort of mental condition or a
Speaker 1: brain tumor or what what costs? And so they so
Speaker 1: they dug his body up, and even even though I
Speaker 1: found a couple of articles on them exuming the body,
Speaker 1: I was not able to ever find anything about what
Speaker 1: results that came up with anything That usually means there
Speaker 1: was no results of any note that most likely is
Speaker 1: what it means. Yeah. So but Yeah, he has not
Speaker 1: been dug up as far as I know. He's he's
Speaker 1: bared at state capital in Louisiana. By the way, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's not carylogenically frozen. And let's jump in your aple
Speaker 1: of shovels. We'll find out actually sledgehammers. I think he's
Speaker 1: in like a like a marble or grandit crip. I
Speaker 1: just want I just bought a new four pound hammer perfectly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess it's kind of moving up now. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't break in graves too often, alright. Theories number one there,
Speaker 1: he was assassinated by Karl Wisse, who had he did
Speaker 1: have a good documented motive to not like him because
Speaker 1: he was gonna put his father in law out of
Speaker 1: a job and because he was going to slanders the family. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, well that's that's that's that that is
Speaker 1: an issue because you know, Potty was judge. Potty was
Speaker 1: sixty years old at the time of He Belongs murder,
Speaker 1: and he was about to actually turn sixty one, So
Speaker 1: if it would put him out of a job, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be for that long before his retirement anyway. Aren't
Speaker 1: judges like also paid forever? I don't know if you
Speaker 1: are they like Congress, and I don't know if at
Speaker 1: that time. Yeah, I don't believe in that municipality that
Speaker 1: kind of judge would be. I know that in higher
Speaker 1: courts they are. That's it. Those are usually really high
Speaker 1: kind of federal level. Course. Yeah, of course this wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna necessarily put him put him into poverty, because he's
Speaker 1: still Guy's still a lawyer, he can still practice law.
Speaker 1: So I mean that that wasn't the end of the
Speaker 1: world necessarily for Poppy. That's the official that's the official explanation,
Speaker 1: is that as that Weiss did it. Actually I read
Speaker 1: the Louisiana State Police reopened the case and because some
Speaker 1: interesting evidence was found, and so they reopened it and
Speaker 1: just went over all the all the evidence again and
Speaker 1: concluded it when Karl Weiss was the shooter. So that's
Speaker 1: what the official version is. I know that. I know
Speaker 1: that when you take tours through that courthouse where all
Speaker 1: of this went down, one of the things the tour
Speaker 1: guides always do is they always point to a pock
Speaker 1: bark in the column and say that's where the bullet
Speaker 1: that killed Hughie Long hit the column. And then somebody
Speaker 1: actually investigated it. It's not actually a fracture. It's just
Speaker 1: a dark spot in the marbles, just an imperfection in
Speaker 1: the marble. Yeah, you would think there'd be some bullet
Speaker 1: holes unless, unless, of course, the that the State Troopers
Speaker 1: bodyguards were really really accurate and then they and they
Speaker 1: didn't miss a single shot. But you would think there'd
Speaker 1: be a lot of pock marks in the walls. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so much for that theory. Uh theory number two, Oh boy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a fun one. Karl Weiss was an assassin
Speaker 1: for the International zion Zionist Conspiracy FDR. Actually Franklin Roosevelt
Speaker 1: and or his cabinet was involved. Also, I got this
Speaker 1: from the guys over at jew Watch, which is a
Speaker 1: website that I stumbled across while researching this story. This
Speaker 1: is this is a fantastic Please note sarcasm. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. It really is just a bunch of paranoid
Speaker 1: you know, anti Semitic ravings and back to back to
Speaker 1: these guys said putting a jew Watch quote. Long was
Speaker 1: assassinated because he was one of the most charismatic leaders
Speaker 1: of the nineteen thirties and he was going to run
Speaker 1: for president. He could easily have defeated Roosevelt and would
Speaker 1: have put international jewry back two hundred years. That's and
Speaker 1: that's again, that's what that's what these guys are saying.
Speaker 1: I don't know how. I mean, I guess because Huey
Speaker 1: Long was going to attack capital, that's what he was doing.
Speaker 1: And he was going to spread the money around, yeah,
Speaker 1: out decentralize it. Yeah yeah. And and so since that since,
Speaker 1: of course, according to people like this, I'm not saying this,
Speaker 1: of course, but according to people the people that you watch,
Speaker 1: since the Jews have all the money, then obviously they
Speaker 1: don't want to have it taken from them. Many terrible,
Speaker 1: terrible things. And Okay, I'm gonna hold my tongue and
Speaker 1: just say, yeah, yeah, I just I'm just throwing this
Speaker 1: one in for fun, just because and just what sore
Speaker 1: listeners know. I don't actually regularly patronize this website on
Speaker 1: their forums now. But also they claimed that Dr Arthur
Speaker 1: Vidrine you remember him, the guy who operated on Belong Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they claimed he was also Jewish and that he deliberately
Speaker 1: botched the operation. So this is a pretty a pretty
Speaker 1: amazingly well run operation that apparently these these Zionist conspirators
Speaker 1: and put together. Yeah, I know, anathing It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to talk to it's it's interesting,
Speaker 1: you know, these guys that run websites like this and
Speaker 1: say stuff like this. They apparently don't like Jews because
Speaker 1: they think they're an inferior race apparently, and yet at
Speaker 1: the same time, it's like, wow, those Jews. Is there
Speaker 1: anything they can't do? Yeah, there there is a bit
Speaker 1: of a juxtaposition. Yeah, a little bit. Okay, before we
Speaker 1: move off in that theory. From that theory, I just
Speaker 1: want to reiterate that, No, I don't think that the
Speaker 1: Zionists the Jews were behind the murder off he be Long.
Speaker 1: Do you guys disagree with me? Not at all. I'm
Speaker 1: in complete agreement that I'm shocked this has even even
Speaker 1: made the show, to be honest, that's how silly I
Speaker 1: think this is. Well, you know, I like, yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: It is absurd. But I I I appreciate Joe following
Speaker 1: our our guideline of we will talk about any theory,
Speaker 1: no matter how ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, it's what's so, what's next?
Speaker 1: Oh next theory? Uh? He be Long was killed by
Speaker 1: his bodyguards. I'll get on board with this one right
Speaker 1: off the bat. Yeah, after all, there were a lot
Speaker 1: of bullets flying around as some versions of this story
Speaker 1: say that Weiss did not even have his gun on
Speaker 1: him and he just punched long in the face. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: apparently he belonged to have a split lip when he
Speaker 1: showed up at the hospital. Yeah. Uh. And also you
Speaker 1: know that if he had a bullet bullet wound in
Speaker 1: the front and the back he was shot by at
Speaker 1: thirty two a c P. That's a pretty anemic round.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it could have made it all the
Speaker 1: way through and out the back side. What what is it?
Speaker 1: I don't know my guns set? Well. Can you give
Speaker 1: another gun that that caliber would be equivalent to? I
Speaker 1: mean's that like a nine millimeter slightly different, much much
Speaker 1: smaller than a nine. It's bigger than a twenty two,
Speaker 1: bigger lightly so it's slightly bigger than a two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just just simply put yeah, yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's you know, it's it's a deadly round.
Speaker 1: I mean everything, but it's not. I mean, I've shot
Speaker 1: hay Bales with a twenty two that have popped out
Speaker 1: the other side though, Yeah, hay bales, hey bale's yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a human body. I'm sorry, what
Speaker 1: was the last time you dealt with a hay bale?
Speaker 1: Those things are packed super super tight. A machine packs
Speaker 1: a hay bale. That's dense material. I just shot an
Speaker 1: arrow through a hay bale this weekend. So sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm just saying, like, you know, what
Speaker 1: is it you guys hate hay bales? Yeah? Sorry, Bill
Speaker 1: hate over here? No, I mean I think that the
Speaker 1: point is is that a thirty two is not it's
Speaker 1: it's not a huge counts not likely to go all
Speaker 1: the way through a human body, particularly from four feet away, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe blank doesn't lose that in the four ft between
Speaker 1: the muzzle and the body. It's not going to lose
Speaker 1: that much velocity. It's really hardly anything, and so I'm
Speaker 1: kind of doubtful that it could have actually overpenetrated. Overpenetrated
Speaker 1: means go through and through, right, Yeah, that's what it
Speaker 1: means over and that's what the That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: How how frequently do you know, handgun caliber kind of
Speaker 1: bullets go through a body. It's not it's not as
Speaker 1: super common occurrence as it caliber. Yeah, yes, sorry, you know,
Speaker 1: nine millimeters even, yeah, you know, nine millimeters even. I
Speaker 1: don't think go all the way through that often. Yeah, yeah, So,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously back in these days, this was before
Speaker 1: the invention of hollow points, and so there would have
Speaker 1: been a full jacketed bullet would have traveled further, but
Speaker 1: I still doubt that it would have gotten gone all
Speaker 1: the way through. Maybe it did, but as no bullet
Speaker 1: was found in the operation, over penetration is the most
Speaker 1: likely possibility. Except one of the assisting surgeons did say
Speaker 1: that a small caliber bullet was removed during surgery. Do
Speaker 1: you do you want talked about that now a little bit? Well?
Speaker 1: And then and then somebody else said that an object
Speaker 1: was found, but it was actually fecal matter. I heard
Speaker 1: that the Yeah, And so there's a lot of different
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different versions of this. Another the
Speaker 1: same doctor supposedly removed another bullet from Long's body at
Speaker 1: the funeral home after he died. His body was taking
Speaker 1: to a funeral home and apparently he took a bullet out. Then,
Speaker 1: wasn't there's something about this guy? He had a safe
Speaker 1: deposit box and his family owned it and said that
Speaker 1: the bullet was in there, and the investigators somehow got
Speaker 1: into it and discovered it wasn't even from a thirty eight.
Speaker 1: Does this sound familiar to you? Well? Now? Was or
Speaker 1: is that somewhere later on? Yeah? I think what you're
Speaker 1: thinking about is there was the the Louisians and the
Speaker 1: Louisiana State Bureau of Criminal Investigation. The head of it
Speaker 1: at this time was a guy named General L. F.
Speaker 1: Gare and he apparently had a bunch of this evidence,
Speaker 1: including the gun and the bullet and and a bullet
Speaker 1: and and six cartridges in his possession, along with some
Speaker 1: files and photos and other stuff. His daughter eventually inherited
Speaker 1: or something and wound up in a safety pozza box
Speaker 1: and eventually want it turned up. There was a big
Speaker 1: custody battle between Karl Weiss's son and her over who
Speaker 1: got to keep them in the pistol and which Carl
Speaker 1: Weiss want Carl Weiss Jr. One so he got the gun.
Speaker 1: But anyway, they but of course they analyzed the gun
Speaker 1: and the bullet. There was a single fired slug found
Speaker 1: with it alone with the six on fired cartridges, and
Speaker 1: they tested the gun and then and then and then
Speaker 1: the slug and they didn't match. So so who knows
Speaker 1: where that where that fired bullet came from. It's it's
Speaker 1: a puzzle, yeah yeah. Arthur Vidrine, surgeon, later said that
Speaker 1: Long actually had two bullets in them in him, one
Speaker 1: of which was the thirty eight, which is strange because
Speaker 1: he didn't say anything about finding a bullet at the time.
Speaker 1: So there's a disagreement on this. Even if he found
Speaker 1: a single bullet, obviously it eliminates over penetration, so he
Speaker 1: would have had to have been shot twice. Yeah, him, right.
Speaker 1: Isn't it possible, though, if let's run on the theory
Speaker 1: that it's point blank, that Wise could have pulled the trigger.
Speaker 1: If it's an automatic, it could have gotten two shots off.
Speaker 1: If it's a point blank it's essentially going to be
Speaker 1: one entry wound. If they're in rapid succession, one over
Speaker 1: penetrates or goes through and the other one bounces around
Speaker 1: and lodges somewhere. I mean, isn't that a possible scenario?
Speaker 1: They're saying two shots but one bullet hole, one entry wound,
Speaker 1: one entry wound, because that seems unlikely. But I guess
Speaker 1: it's I mean, theoretically, if you walk up to a
Speaker 1: guy and you jam it into his his gut and
Speaker 1: you pull the trigger and it automatically fires two rounds
Speaker 1: in a row, they're gonna be almost identical locations for entry.
Speaker 1: Perfect theory. It is not. I get that, but I
Speaker 1: know people are gonna say, well, but it could have
Speaker 1: all come through one location. I guess technically, I don't know.
Speaker 1: If I don't think an automatic handgun is the same.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you think of it as
Speaker 1: a It's not just gonna like fire multiple right, it's not.
Speaker 1: But if you pull it fast enough, they damn near
Speaker 1: to go off at the same time, if you can
Speaker 1: get a quick squeeze onf that's true. Yeah, but he's
Speaker 1: supposedly according to a one biography of hube Along, which
Speaker 1: was pretty exhaustibly research, apparently he did get off two shots,
Speaker 1: this guy claims, but one of the one of the
Speaker 1: bullets hit one of hue Lung's bodyguard bodyguards in the wristwatch.
Speaker 1: Apparently the wristwatch stopped the bullet, or at least slowed
Speaker 1: it down. Yeah, and so since they found a pistol
Speaker 1: magazine that went with the gun with six cartridges in
Speaker 1: it and again only holds seven in the magazine. Assume
Speaker 1: he had he didn't have one chambered as he had.
Speaker 1: If he had one chamber, then he would then he
Speaker 1: got off. Yeah, he got off two rounds, one of
Speaker 1: which hit the guy in the wrist, the other one
Speaker 1: which hit hit Huey Huey long m. Of course, I'm
Speaker 1: not even convinced that the gun had eight rounds in
Speaker 1: it and all, with all the bullets flying, is it's
Speaker 1: it's entirely possible that the guy got hit in the
Speaker 1: wrist by somebody else's bullet. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I would
Speaker 1: not be at all surprised by that. So but at
Speaker 1: the most, he got off two rounds, not a not
Speaker 1: a lot really should have Well anyway, I'll talk about
Speaker 1: that later. Another possibility is that Carl Carl Weiss did
Speaker 1: shoot him, but just once and then the other bullet
Speaker 1: hole in the back was courtesy of one of the
Speaker 1: security guards. A lot of guards, so they weren't entirely
Speaker 1: accurate like we've been presuming they were. So there were
Speaker 1: there were two entry wounds and two bullets in him
Speaker 1: which could have been causing some internal bleeding that they
Speaker 1: didn't find necessarily after the first exploratory surgery. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: two entry wounds. You presume one of them has got
Speaker 1: of the exit wounds, so you track between them to
Speaker 1: try to find the bullet. That would make sense. Apparently
Speaker 1: there actually is evidence that Wise didn't have the gun
Speaker 1: on him. Uh. I got named Donald Pobby was the
Speaker 1: nephew of Judge Pobby, which would make him I guess
Speaker 1: Karl Weiss's cousin or something. Yeah, he wrote a book
Speaker 1: about this, laying had his theory that the bodyguards did it,
Speaker 1: and he said the gun was taken from Weiss's car
Speaker 1: put at the murder scene after the shooting by the
Speaker 1: state troopers and he he interviewed at what Tommy had Wise,
Speaker 1: who was Karl Weiss's brother, who had gone down to
Speaker 1: the legislature when you heard about the bruhaha going down
Speaker 1: there and going on down there, and he saw Karl
Speaker 1: Weiss's car park there. It was locked, and he looked
Speaker 1: in the window and he saw that the gun was
Speaker 1: in the love box. Apparently it was didn't have the
Speaker 1: door shut or something, and that maybe glove boxes in
Speaker 1: those days didn't have little doors. On him, some of
Speaker 1: them didn't. Yeah, apparently, But apparently he was in the
Speaker 1: habit of keeping it in a sock in his glove
Speaker 1: box of his car. That's not uncommon. No, no, he
Speaker 1: doesn't do that. Well, No, keeping a gun in the
Speaker 1: sock is something that could do to keep him oiled. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: keep from getting all scratched up. But apparently he went
Speaker 1: back later to the to the car and the car
Speaker 1: had been moved and apparently been broken into ranstaft and
Speaker 1: the gun was missing. That could have been random, but
Speaker 1: it could have been random too. But apparently all of
Speaker 1: the theories are built on interviews and affidavits he got
Speaker 1: from people who were either at the capitol or in
Speaker 1: the hospital that night. So there was a nurse who
Speaker 1: was in the operating room when Long was brought in,
Speaker 1: and she said that the senator had a lacerated lip,
Speaker 1: and she said that the doctor asked, what is that
Speaker 1: on your lip? And Long answer, Oh, that's where he
Speaker 1: hit me, which sort of buttresses the theory that Karl
Speaker 1: Weisse hit him and didn't shoot him. Do we know
Speaker 1: wise was I'm presuming right handed? I don't know, And well,
Speaker 1: Long was shot in the left side. He was shot
Speaker 1: in the right side, the right side, Yeah, which doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily make well, yeah, I know that kind of makes
Speaker 1: sense when you think about from left to right. You know,
Speaker 1: it's almost like shaking hands. You would hit somebody on
Speaker 1: that Side's okay, I wonder do we on what side
Speaker 1: of the face the this the abrasion was on his
Speaker 1: lip or the Okay, there was not abrasition. It was
Speaker 1: like it was it was split and right the split lip.
Speaker 1: I mean, was it on his left or is right?
Speaker 1: Because what I'm trying to figure out is was it
Speaker 1: a matter of well, again I'm this is conjecture, but
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure it out. Is did Wise
Speaker 1: walk up and take a swing at him and sock
Speaker 1: him in the lip and then pull out a gun
Speaker 1: to add insult to injury and shoot him in the gun?
Speaker 1: Or okay, well if he was right handed and then
Speaker 1: he hits him in the face and it ends up
Speaker 1: on the left hand left half to his face, you
Speaker 1: know either where I'm going here, Like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: corroborate this in human factors, Yeah, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think he would have had time. I mean, his body
Speaker 1: bodyguards you right there, He wouldn't have had time to
Speaker 1: punch him in the face and then pull a gun.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. You're talking about punching him and
Speaker 1: then while holding again on the other hand. Yes, oh,
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Yeah, so you've got you've
Speaker 1: got the gun in one hand, you sock him and
Speaker 1: shoot m Yeah, that's that's that's possible. But I know
Speaker 1: it's also possible that he just biffed him in the
Speaker 1: face and the bodyguards were angry and one of him
Speaker 1: shot him. The guys that started blazing away too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, shoot sixty one times ask questions later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I know it's it's unheard of for
Speaker 1: cops to shoot into some people multiple times and then
Speaker 1: live about it later. Yeah. I think I think the
Speaker 1: uh story, anecdotal evidence would suggest that he would have
Speaker 1: just hit him in the face. Really, I mean more
Speaker 1: than you know, that's a that's a punishment more befitting
Speaker 1: the crime. I think a punch to face, not two
Speaker 1: shots to the gut, yeah, not one or two shots
Speaker 1: the guy. Yeah. So what other evidences is this this
Speaker 1: poppy guy put out here? Uh? He has an affidavit
Speaker 1: from a guy named Francis Grobenberg or Grepenberg, who was
Speaker 1: superintended to stay police in nineteen fifties in Louisiana. He
Speaker 1: told of a story when he was with four state troopers. Um,
Speaker 1: he said, and he actually wrote about this in his
Speaker 1: memoir because he wrote a book. He served and served
Speaker 1: in World War two, and and you know, and and
Speaker 1: then he spent a bunch of time battling crime syndicates
Speaker 1: in Louisiana. So he wrote a memoir about this. And
Speaker 1: so he repeated that. And there also he said that
Speaker 1: these troopers have been we're talking about how Wise is
Speaker 1: gonna have been taken from his car after the shooting.
Speaker 1: And then he said, and uh, this is a quote
Speaker 1: from his book. And then I made a mistake, Ravenburg said.
Speaker 1: I said, it appears to me that all the actions
Speaker 1: following the shooting were conspiracy to cover up the accidental
Speaker 1: death those Senator Long and the killing of Dr Wise.
Speaker 1: Continuous quote. After I made that unfortunate statements, the bodyguards
Speaker 1: became very quiet. Um. So interesting story of true. Well,
Speaker 1: although some some people that put out the theory that
Speaker 1: those guys were just repeating a story that have been
Speaker 1: circulated by anti Long politicians that his bodyguards have killed
Speaker 1: him and gotten the book, so it's it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of up in the air, so to speak. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: There was also one of the bodyguards was named Delmas
Speaker 1: Sharp and his son, Delmas Sharp Jr. Uh said his
Speaker 1: dad once talked about Long's death prior to a meeting
Speaker 1: that to the two of them had with another bodyguard.
Speaker 1: His name was Joe Messina, and after the meeting his
Speaker 1: dad his dad said to him, well, that's Joe Messina,
Speaker 1: the killer. Donald Povey look and the author of this
Speaker 1: book said he also spoke to members of the Murphy
Speaker 1: Roden family. Murphy Roden was one of the bodyguards also, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of bodyguards. Yeah, and uh, of course he's
Speaker 1: long since passed on, but they said that they they understand.
Speaker 1: Their understanding is that Roden accidentally shot Long. And he
Speaker 1: also got some testimony from the son of a reporter
Speaker 1: who was an eyewitness to the shooting apparently said the
Speaker 1: same thing. So it looks like maybe a cover up.
Speaker 1: I don't know. So my verdict on this is that
Speaker 1: Donald Pobby is probably right. At the time, as I've
Speaker 1: already said this, Judge Pobby was really kind of nearing
Speaker 1: retirement age anyway, Um, he could wasn't true a career
Speaker 1: killer at that. I just want to talk nostalgically for
Speaker 1: a second about the days at which sixty one was
Speaker 1: retirement age. Oh yeah, I don't intend to ever retire
Speaker 1: because there's not going to be no retirements. No, there ain't.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, yeah, sixty one, I don't know
Speaker 1: what's retirement age it was, yeah, yeah, but yeah, by
Speaker 1: the time you retire, it's going to be about eighty probably. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Generally in those in those in those days, you didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily retire. You just worked till you died, which was
Speaker 1: sixty which is well, the people who lived at those
Speaker 1: old ages were the ones who worked until they died. Yeah. Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: But the other the other reason I doubt this is
Speaker 1: that obviously it would be suicidal to pull a gun
Speaker 1: and shoot Huey Long when he surrounded by a bunch
Speaker 1: of guys that are armed to the teeth. Yeahs does
Speaker 1: seem a bit off. Yeah. He had a wife and
Speaker 1: he had a very young infant son, you know, so
Speaker 1: obviously had plenty to live for. It doesn't really make
Speaker 1: sense when you think about, of course, again, if there
Speaker 1: was a brain tumor or something like that evolved maybe
Speaker 1: I guess something that altered his rational thinking. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they when they dug his body up, they didn't find
Speaker 1: any evidence that. Of course, after all these years, who
Speaker 1: knows how much it be left to look at um.
Speaker 1: But the other thing I find kind of that kind
Speaker 1: of kills it for me for him being a shooter,
Speaker 1: is that he was shooting a semi automatic gun. And
Speaker 1: if he had to drop on long and if you
Speaker 1: really intended to kill him, why did he fire once
Speaker 1: and possibly twice when he could have emptied the gun
Speaker 1: into him in about about a second. And also why
Speaker 1: did he aim in his gut? Yeah? But his head
Speaker 1: or yes, I think, yeah, I think that he. Uh.
Speaker 1: People overestimate the killing power of guns all the time,
Speaker 1: but four feet isn't that far away. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a gun. You know you're aiming in the general direction.
Speaker 1: It's going to hit in the general direction. Yes, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: you're not aiming for the head, but at least like
Speaker 1: the upper chest area, right, not the like I'm going
Speaker 1: to shoot you in the stomach that'll kill you. You
Speaker 1: tend to misjudge things like that. I mean, a handgun
Speaker 1: is very very subjective to angle that it's been the
Speaker 1: angle that it's being held at. But have you ever
Speaker 1: goofing around, grabbed water pistol and scored at somebody and
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm gonna shoot him in the face and
Speaker 1: then you shoot him in the knee. I'm a good shot.
Speaker 1: Well this is not take your time draw and hold.
Speaker 1: It's just like pull it up and start squeezing the trigger.
Speaker 1: People do this. I mean, there's all kinds of videos
Speaker 1: of people like I'm gonna totally just draw really fast
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna shoot that target. Instead they shoot the
Speaker 1: ground two feet in front of him. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I understand that that's fair. But I think Joe's point
Speaker 1: is also fair, Like why wouldn't you just Joe said that, right,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you empty? Yeah? Yeah, no, no, I there's
Speaker 1: totally makes sense. There is, I mean there is. There
Speaker 1: was some note in the in the files of the
Speaker 1: Louisiana State Police that one of the bodyguards knocked the
Speaker 1: gun down. It was originally pointed towards Long's chest and
Speaker 1: he knocked it down and so he shot him in
Speaker 1: the gut instead. Um, but I still, you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I still don't see why he didn't shoot him a
Speaker 1: couple more times, you know, or if a bodyguard was
Speaker 1: that close, why how sixty two bullets went into him? Well,
Speaker 1: one of them went into the bodyguard who was right there,
Speaker 1: into his watch. Yeah, could be that's where the watch shot.
Speaker 1: Incredible and gender yeah, they you know, apparently hint this.
Speaker 1: I think the bodyguard was Murphy Road. And if I'm not,
Speaker 1: if I'm not, I'm not even correct. He managed to
Speaker 1: wrestle wrestle him away from Long and shove him up
Speaker 1: against the wall. And I guess at that point he
Speaker 1: backed away from m enough so everybody else could open
Speaker 1: fire on him. And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they aired
Speaker 1: him out pretty good. And my only other theory would
Speaker 1: be that maybe it was an assassination after all, and
Speaker 1: and one or two of he was bodyguards shot him.
Speaker 1: I Well, when I did the the reading into the
Speaker 1: medical research that's been done on on this case, the
Speaker 1: one thing that I've found that was really intriguing is
Speaker 1: in your gut. You know, your your gut has cavities
Speaker 1: inside of it. It's not as if all of your
Speaker 1: organs and everything are pushed into one giant, solid mass
Speaker 1: there peanuts and yeah, the styrofoam packing peanut. Yeah no,
Speaker 1: but there's there's voids where there is not an organ,
Speaker 1: and those voids, based on how you know where you
Speaker 1: are in the lower regions of the abdomen, there can
Speaker 1: be folds in it. One of the things that I
Speaker 1: found is I cannot I wish I could, but I
Speaker 1: cannot remember the name of the interior lining of the gut.
Speaker 1: Not your stomach or your intestine, but just your interior
Speaker 1: abdomen wall, the lining of that the parrot and thank you,
Speaker 1: that's the word I knew. It started with a p Okay. Well,
Speaker 1: it's possible that that can have folds on itself. And
Speaker 1: some of this research said that when Long was shot,
Speaker 1: he was actually shot through an area that had a fold.
Speaker 1: And here's the easy way to think about it. Take
Speaker 1: a piece of paper and fold it in half and
Speaker 1: poke a hole in it. Unfolded, and you've got an
Speaker 1: entry and an exit wound. Take a new piece of paper,
Speaker 1: fold it in half and then folded on in half
Speaker 1: again on itself, and then poke a hole through it
Speaker 1: and unfolded, and now you've got four holes. So the
Speaker 1: doctors may have seen what they considered the entry and
Speaker 1: the exit wound, so they dealt with those, But these
Speaker 1: other two holes are not in necessarily gonna be where
Speaker 1: they're looking, and so those are perforations, which would then
Speaker 1: cause blood loss, which would balls internal bleeding. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's completely plausible because I mean it's not a straight
Speaker 1: line inside yet, it's not a solid surface. Obviously they're
Speaker 1: either they're they missed something something that was bleeding. They
Speaker 1: missed it big, or maybe they're repaired to the intestine.
Speaker 1: It's just just didn't quite hold. I don't know. And
Speaker 1: also that's that's completely a normal to stitch up intestines,
Speaker 1: and intestines are like tissue paper. Yeah, they're not strong
Speaker 1: for all the crap that they hold pun intended, they're
Speaker 1: not all that strong. Yeah. That probably can't use suture.
Speaker 1: You're probably gotta use duct tape on them, I think, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they do. Actually, yeah. Yeah. The the other
Speaker 1: thing about about the surgery, I forgot to mention this
Speaker 1: at the time, but apparently, you know, as as always
Speaker 1: when you get shot in the colon, a certain amount
Speaker 1: of fecal matter gets you know, spread around the inside. Yet, right,
Speaker 1: and apparently there's not much of that's that they actually
Speaker 1: irrigated and then which would have caused affection, easily causes
Speaker 1: an affection. Yeah, so yeah, it's medical care is probably
Speaker 1: not the most competent. But yeah, but also I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know that White shot him. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say the medical care may not have been perfect,
Speaker 1: but if you have twenty crazy haired bodyguards and he
Speaker 1: was breathing down your neck, what you do? Yeah, when
Speaker 1: was the last time you had somebody sitting at your
Speaker 1: desk while you were working and you kept screwing up
Speaker 1: because somebody was watching you. I mean, think about that
Speaker 1: when you now have a scalpel in suitures and somebody's
Speaker 1: life is in your hands, and you're not a very
Speaker 1: good doctor to begin with. Yeah, Dr Vdrine was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to call him incompetent, but I don't
Speaker 1: think he was really qualified for this kind of surgery. No,
Speaker 1: he I don't think he'd ever done this kind of
Speaker 1: surgery being I don't think he had any gunshot. I
Speaker 1: don't think he ever did. Again, Yeah, with the reason,
Speaker 1: I agree, So so, yeah, just unfortunate for old Hughie.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think he was and I really,
Speaker 1: it is possible that maybe some anti Long guys had
Speaker 1: gotten a mole into his his balance of bodyguards, and
Speaker 1: the guy was just waiting for the opportunity when, you know,
Speaker 1: some some big hassle came up, something came up, were
Speaker 1: gave an opportunity to go and shoot Hue a few times.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what happened. Now Joe is making filler. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much. Yeah, I think we're done here. I think
Speaker 1: might be kind of done. You guys want to take
Speaker 1: a vote. What do you think I think Hue Long died? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you think he died of an accidental shooting or
Speaker 1: do you think he was assassinated by Karl Weiss? Both? Really,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that beats. I think it was
Speaker 1: an accidental shooting by his bodyguard. It was I think
Speaker 1: his bodyguard did it, not not waste, Yeah, that's kind
Speaker 1: of what I think. I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: or not, but the split lip kind of indicates it.
Speaker 1: Weiss sucked him in the mouth, yeah, for being a
Speaker 1: jerk to him. Yeah. Yeah, and then the guards went
Speaker 1: nuts and shot him, you know. And so that's kind
Speaker 1: of what I'm thinking. Too, too bad for Wise and yeah,
Speaker 1: and his wife and his kid, and his and his family,
Speaker 1: his family than anybody. Yeah. Yeah, terrible thing. And obviously
Speaker 1: obviously his son Karl Weiss and other other family members
Speaker 1: and relatives are still trying to clear his name. It's
Speaker 1: hard to say it that. I think more people are
Speaker 1: convinced that Weiss was innocent than not personally, but the
Speaker 1: official line is that Weis did it. So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's really hard to change. It is really hard to
Speaker 1: change without without the smoking bullet, you're you're smoking gun? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so too, But I after all the reading
Speaker 1: I've done on this, I'm pretty certain that Weiss did
Speaker 1: not shoot. Yeah, he'd be long anyway. That's about it. Um,
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Speaker 1: and another successfully solved mystery? Yeah, yeah, yeah, hey yeah.
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