WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Death of Huey Long 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:17.400 Thinking Sideways. I don't stories of things we don't know 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:23.200 the answer too. Hi there, Welcome again to another episode 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:29.800 of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe, joined this week by and Steve. Yeah, 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:34.520 so joined this week, I guess joined every week. I'm Steven. 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:37.560 I'm filling steve seat this week. Yeah, I'm Devin, filling 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:42.280 in for Devon. She's on assignment. Yeah, and I've taken 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:47.160 over Joe's body. I'm not really Joe. Yeah. Okay, So 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:51.880 let's tackle a mystery. Guys, ready, all right? This week 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.680 we're going to talk about the mysterious death of Huey 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:58.560 Long in Loong is pretty famous guy. Probably most of 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:00.440 you have heard of him, a certain if you're an 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.880 older American, you've heard of him. He obviously was noticed 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:07.480 a kingfish. He was governor of Louisiana from nineteen twenty 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.240 eight to nineteen thirty two, and then was elected to 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:13.399 the US Senate from Louisiana in nineteen thirty two. He 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.880 was assassinated in nineteen thirty five. And don't don't feel 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.680 bad if you haven't actually heard of him, because I hadn't. 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:23.080 You hadn't heard of him? You? Yeah? I had, But 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.640 that's because was it. John Goodman played a role as 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.280 him in the movie The Kingfish. I think it was 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:32.720 John Goodman. That's the other reason I knew about it. 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.560 Although you want to know a funny side note, Okay, 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:40.080 so here it is. Anyway, Joe initially was pitching this 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.160 story to me a couple of weeks ago, and I 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.200 didn't remember who hughe Long was and I got him 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:49.320 completely confused with somebody else in American politics, which would 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:54.800 be James Garfield, al who was assassinated, and I was 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:58.160 I was sitting there going, dude, I don't know how 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.720 you're gonna turn the assassin a nation of James Garfield 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.120 into a podcast that doesn't work. The only thing that 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:08.480 I know about Garfield is, you know the disgusting stuff 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.640 that happened to him after he was shot. You guys 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.240 know that, right, No, actually kind of iger to that 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:16.960 what happened. So when he was shot, he was shot 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:20.000 in the stomach and he couldn't eat, so they had 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.320 he stayed alive for weeks after the fact. So one 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:25.720 of the things they tried to do to keep him alive, 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.240 this is an actual thing. They gave him what are 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:32.880 called nutrient enemas they I think it was peanut butter 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.920 they were putting. They were feeding him rectally, which caused 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.400 such obscene gas that even the doctors couldn't be in 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:44.919 the room. But I was. I I just couldn't figure 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.680 out how you would turn that into a mystery. You know, 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:53.720 it's tied to change the ocast anyway. Yeah, because yeah, 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:55.080 we kind of we kind of tapped out all the 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.799 whole unsolved mysteries. This is the last one except for yeah, none, 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.880 this is the last one. I checked the internet left 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:05.720 nothing left. Yeah, sorry, folks, Okay, back to our mystery. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.120 He along. Oh yeah, that's right, We're actually doing a 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.480 real mystery. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, he he was. He was popular, 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.679 he belong was popular with Louisiana. But it's also very polarizing. 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.919 You either loved him or you hated him. His detractors 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:21.639 called him, among other things, a dictator, a demagogue, fascist, 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:25.079 and a socialist. Demagogue is like one of my favorite words. Yeah, 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:28.080 this is a good word. What is specifically, what the 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.960 definition of demagogue? Because I've seen it used and I 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.000 never I've always heard it describe in different ways. Yeah, 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:37.560 I guess the best definition is a demagogue is somebody 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:43.360 who tells I think insightful lies, you know, inciting lies, like, 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.440 for example, Al Sharpton. I would I would call Al Sharpton. 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:49.840 Sorry for any Al Sharpton fans out there, but I 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:53.120 would say he demagogues a lot of issues by by 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.920 taking taking an issue that's really you know, and and 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:02.280 interpreting it in in an unreasonable way. Do you want the dictionary? 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:05.880 Let me have that. Yeah, it's a noun. It's for 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.760 a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:12.920 desires and prejudices rather than using rational arguments. Okay, that's 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.960 probably a better definition than mine. He long achieved his 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:21.400 goals generally through intimidation and bribery rather than just persuasion. 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:25.680 He was basically a machine politician, and he controlled and 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.120 appoint appointed people to lots and lots of jobs, and 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.520 so he was able to dole out favors to his 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.800 his buddies and his cronies and political allies. And that 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:37.640 was pretty common though in that day. Yeah, yeah, very much. So. 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.320 He was the picture of a corrupt politician. Yeah. And 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:43.560 he also tried to make life hell for his opponents. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:45.320 He would he would go out of his way to 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:48.000 get people fired and people who weren't actually speaking at 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.040 against them. They just happen to be members of the 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.159 family of somebody who across him, and say the family 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.440 member thing is what I always just shook my head 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:59.840 at that. Yeah, he was. He was very vindictive. Anyway. 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:04.400 He uh long actually campaign for Roosevelt in nineteen eight 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:08.160 or Exis Meet two I believe it was. But after 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:11.279 he was elected to the Senate, he decided to break 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.239 with the Roosevelt administration and he started thinking about running 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.120 for the presidency himself. He was a big critic of 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.239 the Federal Reserve Bank, and he said that his policies 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.040 were the real cause of the Great Depression. And in 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.000 that particular instance he might have actually had a point. 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:26.679 I wouldn't agree with Hu Belong on a lot of things, 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.039 but anyway, to move on. He was in the Senate 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.799 now in nineteen thirty four, and he introduced his bright 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.520 idea which called he called share our Wealth. So his 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.159 plan was a very radical one to cap personal fortunes 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:41.120 at fifty million dollars limit annually comes to a million dollars, 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:44.680 and cap inheritance. Inheritance says that five million dollars and 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.160 then spread all the wealth around. That's your generalmen taken 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:52.080 by the government. I've okay, I've read this a number 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:56.039 of times and they never quite understood. So if I 0:05:56.240 --> 0:06:01.400 am making over fifty mill, then anything above that number 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:06.640 the government takes, that's you. That's not your income. The 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.839 fifty million is your personal fortune, what you have in assets, 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.960 bank account. So you can't be personally worth more than 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.320 fifty million dollars. You can't make more than one million 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:19.960 dollars a year, and you can't inherit more than five 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:24.680 million dollars five million in assets. Yeah, yeah, I mean totally. So, 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.200 so then what happens What would happen if I made 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.360 one point one million? What happens to that point one million? 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.200 Does the government then take that and use it however 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.280 it deems fit? Is that how this was going to work? 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.039 Apparently that's how it was going to work. And I 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.640 don't know what I guess. I suppose if say, if 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:43.600 you have a fortune of a fifty million, and so 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:45.480 you make a million bucks that year, I suppose you 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:47.080 don't get to keep any of it, because you know 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.520 you can, Otherwise you'd be tacking it onto your personal fortune, 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.760 and then you'd have fifty one million. From an economic standpoint, 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.160 this is a terrible idea, you know, well, I mean 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.440 it encourages people to spend what they make instead of 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:04.039 saving it. Right, it encourages the spreading of wealth, and 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:08.479 it's kind of like the ideal trickle down economics. Right, 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:13.600 it's the pinnacle of encouraging people who have to spend 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:17.760 back into the economy that maybe fuels other people. I 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.640 think it's one of those things that in theory it 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.200 could could or could not be a good idea. In practice, 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.080 there's no way I was gonna say. In practice, it 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:30.040 discourages people from doing things, taking a risk, to do 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.960 something that can make gods of money, because then they're 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:35.720 going to be over the limit. And why the hell 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:37.480 would I want to take that risk and make all 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.480 that money just to not get just to invest all 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.840 that time and effort and my capital to then get 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.280 my capital back but then get no return on it 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.240 because now I've got too much money. Yeah, and that's 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:52.320 that's an economic theory. There's a whole bunch of stuff there, Brian, 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:56.560 Now we're not here to talk about. Yeah. Obviously, his 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.000 his proposal didn't get very far in the Senate, so 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.080 he started he started a political organization called the Share 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.680 Our Wealth Society, which was essentially like a political party, 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.400 and it had twenty seven thousand clubs quote unquote across 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.680 the country, and by the time he Long died, the 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.600 society had seven and a half million members. So yeah, 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.240 it was you know, obviously a lot of people like 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.600 that idea. After he went to the Senate, he Long 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:25.080 continued to dominate Louisiana politics. He went back to Baton 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:29.000 Rouge quite often and wrote and lobby for bills. He 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:33.679 never really left them his position as government, not entirely. 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:35.760 You know, when he went he was he would zip 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:37.840 over to Washington for a little bit and then come back, 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:42.400 and apparently the governor succeeded him with whenever whenever he 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:44.720 Long was in town, he Long would just take over 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:47.880 his office. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that went over really 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:51.319 well with him. He was a supporter, so I'm sure 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.720 it was one of those things you had to do 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.760 for the man who got you the job. But he 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.560 also just he'd walk and he'd walk all over everybody 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.839 and just yelling, point and holler and dictate to people 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.679 what needed to be done when it was not his 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:10.439 position anymore. But He's still a lot of people did 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.640 what he told him to do. He still had lots 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:17.200 of influence. Yeah, his consolidation power continued to grow even 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:21.040 though he was no longer the governor, and opposition got 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.800 more intense and sometimes even violent. There was actually talking 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:28.440 about armed rebellion, and yeah, he um. In that summer 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.839 of nineteen five, he called two more special sessions of 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.480 the legislature and passed a bunch of bills and got 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:36.480 his all his cronies in the legislature to pass up 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.080 a bunch of bills. They consolidate his control over the 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.960 state by creating several new state agencies, wasn't it? What 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.520 weren't The bills passed kind of like rapid fire, one 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:47.480 after another, and there wasn't even they didn't even read 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:52.920 the bills voting on it. They just said, okay, next one. Yeah. Yeah, 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.560 So let's see what new state agencies he created here. 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.520 A State Bond and Tax Board holding soul authority to 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:02.920 approve approve alone to parish and municipal governments. A new 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:06.199 state Printing Board which could withhold quote unquote official printers 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:10.079 status from uncooperative newspapers that was aimed to stop people 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:15.600 who were bashing along. Yeah, so essentially, yeah, and first amendment, Yes, 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.640 pretty much a new board of Election Supervisors, which would 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.400 appoint all poll watchers. Now that's handy to have on 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.120 elections for hand control over all the all the poll 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.760 watchers across the state. And also a state board of censors. 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.960 He Long controlled all appointments to all these boards, of 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:34.360 course he did. Yeah it do you know? You may 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.160 or may not know was the wording of the new 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.520 laws specifically and Huey Long or was it and the 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:46.080 Senator of the state in Louisiana only they went through 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.600 the Senate, right, But I'm saying lived the bill that 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.600 they passed, you know, I did it? Say, I don't 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:53.080 think they did, but I think I think it was. 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.160 I think everybody just assumed that hue Long was going 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.160 to going to make the appointments or else he was 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.959 actually actually the appointments would have been made by the governor, 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:06.640 who I'm sure I would do exactly what. Yeah, so 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:11.000 a nice guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not going to 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.160 go there are lots of other stuff that he did. 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.000 I mean, if you've read up in this guy at all, 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.520 it's like, yeah, he's kind of a jerk. He was 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.439 a flaming jerky. So there's a trail of bodies, so 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.480 to speak, behind this guy. Yeah, I wouldn't. I would 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:25.280 not be surprised to find out there's a trail of 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:28.079 real bodies. Actually, one of his, one of his, one 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.880 of his political opponents, actually did die in a convenient 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.920 train wreck. It's a car train wreck. But that could 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.439 have been an accident. It could have been Yeah, it 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.680 could have been probably not. Yeah, you know, those happen. Yeah. 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:44.440 In August of nineteen thirty five, Long finally announced that 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.400 he was going to run for president the following year. 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.400 But a month later, September eight, nineteen thirty five, he 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:52.040 was at the state capitol ramming through a new law, 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.880 which is called House Bill number one, which was a 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.959 redistric between plan. One of his opponents was a judge 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.800 named Henry Povey who served in the sixteenth District judge ship, 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:05.520 and he'd been there since nineteen ten. Is an elected Yeah, 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.600 he had been there. Yeah. Uh So the House Bill 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.800 number one was specifically meant to change the boundaries of 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.480 his district to include more Long supporters so that he 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.400 would be out of a job come next election. That 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:21.319 passed about nine fifteen the night of September eight. It 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.600 was a long session. Um oh yeah, I forgot one 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.880 other thing. Oh yeah. Apparently Long also told Pobby that 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:28.679 he was going to tell everybody in the world that 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:34.360 Pobby's family was tainted with quote coffee blood, unquote coffee blood, 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:36.319 meaning they had there was a there was a black 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.680 person somewhere in the family here. Okay, I was going 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.280 to say this, this is a Rachel slur, I'm assuming 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.839 for the time. Yeah, yeah, and it's like yeah, and 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:48.600 this is Louisiana and the so obviously that it would 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.360 be a bigger deal kind of accusation. No, I can 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:56.120 see in context how offensive that would be for an 0:12:56.200 --> 0:13:00.400 upstanding for the time, the upstanding white citizen to be 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:05.440 accused of that, just knowing how people were at that time, Yeah, 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.920 it was. It was a serious thing then, Yeah, obviously, 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:12.120 but yeah, and some some certain communities that still isab 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.760 which is still dumb. But okay, now back to back 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.960 to the session. Actually, let's talk about let's talk about 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.679 the assassin whose name was Dr Carl Weiss. He was 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.000 twenty nine years old. He was Judge Bobby's son in 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.680 law and he was at the capital that day, trying 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.400 to get to speak to Long, but every time he 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.400 would approach him to get a rude brush off from 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.199 Long and his bodyguards. How many were there, by the 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:34.960 way the bodyguard I was there were able to find 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:36.920 out exactly how many I got. I got a feeling 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:39.680 there were at least four, if not like six or eight. 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:41.080 I mean there were a bunch of they were all 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.280 state troopers. Well, and I remember reading I can't remember 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:46.960 what it was about something a year or two prior 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.600 that had caused him to then only travel with bodyguards. 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.959 But I had never seen how many there were. Yeah, 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.320 I'm not sure either. I'm sure there were. I know 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.800 there were at least four. I don't know. That's that's 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.400 better than I don't. So I suspect there could have 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.439 been a whole bunch of them, because he'll find out 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:09.360 this in a second. Um, yeah he was. He kept 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.800 trying to approach Long, and he get rudely brushed off 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:17.480 and Carl Wise A Wise and PM. Just after House 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:21.320 bield number one had passed, Long exited the Legislative chamber 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.200 was in the corridor outside, and he was approached by 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.320 Wise the third time. Although some some accounts of this 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.920 say that Wiss was actually hiding behind a column in 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.840 the in the in the corridor, and as as Long 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.560 walked by, he popped out. He owned the thirty two 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.320 caliber automatic that he usually kept in his car, but 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.440 apparently added on him. When he tried to touch a Long, 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.720 he got another insulting brush off, at which point he 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.800 pulled up thirty two and shot Long from about four 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:50.240 feet away, although there's evidence that if he didn't cheat, 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.120 did you shoot Long? And he actually shot him from 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.320 like right up close and personal, actually put the gun 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:59.360 to his body and because apparently there were there were 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.880 powder burns his jacket. Yeah, we've talked about some of 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.160 that before. You do have to be exceedingly closed for 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:09.360 the powder burns to transfer. Yeah, definitely, certainly closer than 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.760 four ft. Yeah. Yeah. Again, it's like there's a lot 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.480 of different witnesses and a lot of different accounts of this. 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.360 The bodyguards were turned fire and they shot Wis sixty 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:26.920 two times, which is reasonable. Yeah, he was clearly dangerous. Yeah, 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.160 what was it was like thirty some bullets in the 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:33.240 in the torso, five or ten in the head and 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:36.000 the rest in the legs. I mean it's just like 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:40.680 literally riddled with bullets. Yeah, I was a human callandar 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.760 at that point. Oh yeah, I think about it is 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:44.720 is that when when when we were the cops at least, 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:46.480 this is the way it seems to happen these days 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.880 in this town. Whenever they shoot somebody a bunch of times, 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:53.840 usually about half the bullets miss, if not more. There 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.640 was a lot of lead fline around that shots. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.080 that or they just shot like hundred and twenty times. 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.920 Well they were automatics, yeah, yeah, maybe they had a 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:05.920 couple of Tommy guns. I don't know, it could have 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.560 been that. I don't Yeah, I can't say I remember 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.240 seeing something about Tommy guns. But it seems that seems 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:16.040 really excessive for a bodyguard for a U. S. Senator 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.600 to be packing around. I mean that's just that's a 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:24.400 lot firepower. Yeah that certainly, yes, Uh, but I have 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.240 no idea. Yeah, I think that. I think really probably 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.760 you know, they probably shot him about a dozen times 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:31.640 and then just stood over his body and shot him 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.760 a bunch more times. Yeah, so basically he died. So 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.040 were they not taking care? They were busy shooting? What 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:39.320 was what was Long doing? Did Long die? Immediately he 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.080 felt round. No, no, no, yeah he did. He wasn't 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.480 dead at that point. He staggered down the corridor and 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.000 went down four flights of stairs where he met somebody 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:48.840 and that the name of this person is unknown, but 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.640 that's that's. This person drove him to the our lady 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.960 of the Lake Sanitarium, which is about a quarter mile away. 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:57.320 That person is always referred to as an associate. Yeah, 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.760 I when I when I read your stuff and I'd 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:01.680 read it and I realized I hadn't found it. I 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.960 kept trying to find that. It's always an associate. Yeah, 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.399 So don't ask me. Did she have a sword for 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:16.840 King Arthur? Seah? Yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah, I can't hear 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:25.040 that without thinking about yeah, yeah, sorry, where are we 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:29.440 at here? Oh? Yeah, yeah, lady. So he was operated 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:31.520 on and patched up, but he died anyway about thirty 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:36.280 hours later. So he belong is dead assassinated? But was 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:40.240 he actually assassinated? Was he? Yeah? That's the mystery. Oh yeah. 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:42.960 The other mystery is what kind of medical treatment did 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.480 he get? Was it adequate? Yeah? It was it adequate? 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.359 Seems like maybe not. I don't know that that that 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.680 that question is right to ask based on what I've read, 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:53.200 but I know we're going to get into it. Yeah, 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:57.720 that's hard to I mean, a bullet to the gut, 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.920 it just depends on what it hits and all that stuff. 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.520 Back to Hue, he was even though he was popular 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.679 with some people, he said, he alienated a lot of 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.439 other people, and even in the medical community he had 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.960 alienated people, um and so he didn't trust any old 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.520 doctor to operate on him or treat him. But there 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:20.320 was a doctor who happened to be in the hospital 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.400 at the time, who was a long appointee and then 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:26.080 therefore considered trustworthy, just happened to be there. Yeah. His 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:29.000 name was Art was Arthur of Adrien U and he 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.040 was acceptable, even though they were probably far better surgeons 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.400 out there. You know, the other surgeons can maybe wanted 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:37.879 to kill Long. So but what I've been shot, I 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.760 usually don't squabble about who my doctor is. Yeah, yeah, 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:46.399 Artur Adrien. Doctor Adrine examined Hue Long and decided that 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.119 the wound was a through and through wound, one in 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.879 the front, back and out to back. Yeah, and he 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.760 told Long the surgery was needed, and Long agreed to that, 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:57.960 but he requested a couple of well known surgeons from 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.359 New Orleans who were summoned as as his condition was 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.160 deteriorating so much it was decided that surgery couldn't wait. 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:08.879 I also remember one of those doctors got weirdly delayed 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:12.840 by a car accident. Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.320 one of him couldn't make it because well he was 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:19.600 a fender bender. Yeah, which is a conspiracy. I mean no, 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:23.240 it's not. Sorry, Yeah, the politics is you know, I 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.560 think everything in Louisiana at this time, and maybe it's 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:27.879 still this way today, I don't know. Was everything seemed 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.920 to be politicized. So anyway, Arthur, doctor of a drine, 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:34.440 became the chief surgeon, and he was assisted by two 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:38.480 other surgeons and as caesiologist was recruited. His name was 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.720 Henry McCowen, but he was anti Long, and he had 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.000 reportedly said just a couple of days before that if 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:46.560 he ever did any Segon and Huey Long, he would 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:51.359 never wake up. So he said he would do it, 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:53.880 but he stipulated that another doctor had to be right 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.760 at the side watching his every move. Spart Man. Yeah, 0:19:56.880 --> 0:20:00.159 smart move. Oh and so time time for surgery. But 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.200 what didn't they do before surgery? They didn't take any 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:05.879 X rays? Do you know why why? No, I'm asking. 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.080 I've never found out why. I don't know why. I mean, 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.440 I really can't understand. It seemed to me you'd want 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:12.800 to take an X ray or two and find out 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:15.000 where the bullet is if there's And maybe that's why 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.000 they didn't do it. Is maybe they felt like the 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:19.439 doctor concluded it was through and through wounds, so if 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.200 he had already decided that the bullet was not in 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.199 the body, maybe they didn't need to take the time 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:27.239 to do X rays and was kind of rushing into 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:30.440 the surgery. Six hours between the time that he arrived 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:33.720 and the time he went into surgery. Correct, No, it 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:35.520 wasn't that long, was it? Was it? Not that I 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:38.399 thought it was. Was it three? Or how long was it? Then? 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.440 I thought it was like six hours between when he 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:44.520 arrived and when the scalpel touched because he was waiting 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:49.240 for those other doctors. No, actually it was almost two hours. Okay, 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:52.680 well started the surgery. Regardless, two hours seemed like more 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:56.040 than enough time to wheelem into the X ray bay 0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:59.199 and at least take a shot. I don't know if 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:02.880 if he thought it was through and through. If there's 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:04.560 a hole in the front and a hole in the back, 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:07.040 where else did the bullet going to be? Why even 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:10.520 bother taking an X ray? Those things are expensive, but 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:14.440 but the thing is that X rays show things, not 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:17.200 just metal, but you do see I mean, granted the 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:20.000 technology wasn't that great at the time, but it would 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.879 give you an idea of if there's pooling of blood 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:24.960 in areas of the body. Because he's gonna have to 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:27.760 be in a prone position to take this, not as 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.800 if he can stand up, probably show you, like you know, 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:33.879 some ribs got chipped or broken exactly. He's gonna have 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:35.720 been laid out for a while. So I just I 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:38.879 feel like there would have been some information to be 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.919 gained from doing the X ray. There were some there 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:46.600