1
00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:17,400
Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't stories of things we don't know

2
00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:23,200
Speaker 1: the answer too. Hi there, Welcome again to another episode

3
00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:29,800
Speaker 1: of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe, joined this week by and Steve. Yeah,

4
00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,520
Speaker 1: so joined this week, I guess joined every week. I'm Steven.

5
00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,560
Speaker 1: I'm filling steve seat this week. Yeah, I'm Devin, filling

6
00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:42,280
Speaker 1: in for Devon. She's on assignment. Yeah, and I've taken

7
00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:47,160
Speaker 1: over Joe's body. I'm not really Joe. Yeah. Okay, So

8
00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,880
Speaker 1: let's tackle a mystery. Guys, ready, all right? This week

9
00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,680
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the mysterious death of Huey

10
00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,560
Speaker 1: Long in Loong is pretty famous guy. Probably most of

11
00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,440
Speaker 1: you have heard of him, a certain if you're an

12
00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,880
Speaker 1: older American, you've heard of him. He obviously was noticed

13
00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,480
Speaker 1: a kingfish. He was governor of Louisiana from nineteen twenty

14
00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,240
Speaker 1: eight to nineteen thirty two, and then was elected to

15
00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,399
Speaker 1: the US Senate from Louisiana in nineteen thirty two. He

16
00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,880
Speaker 1: was assassinated in nineteen thirty five. And don't don't feel

17
00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,680
Speaker 1: bad if you haven't actually heard of him, because I hadn't.

18
00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,080
Speaker 1: You hadn't heard of him? You? Yeah? I had, But

19
00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,640
Speaker 1: that's because was it. John Goodman played a role as

20
00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,280
Speaker 1: him in the movie The Kingfish. I think it was

21
00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,720
Speaker 1: John Goodman. That's the other reason I knew about it.

22
00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,560
Speaker 1: Although you want to know a funny side note, Okay,

23
00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,080
Speaker 1: so here it is. Anyway, Joe initially was pitching this

24
00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,160
Speaker 1: story to me a couple of weeks ago, and I

25
00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,200
Speaker 1: didn't remember who hughe Long was and I got him

26
00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,320
Speaker 1: completely confused with somebody else in American politics, which would

27
00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:54,800
Speaker 1: be James Garfield, al who was assassinated, and I was

28
00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,160
Speaker 1: I was sitting there going, dude, I don't know how

29
00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna turn the assassin a nation of James Garfield

30
00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,120
Speaker 1: into a podcast that doesn't work. The only thing that

31
00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,480
Speaker 1: I know about Garfield is, you know the disgusting stuff

32
00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,640
Speaker 1: that happened to him after he was shot. You guys

33
00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,240
Speaker 1: know that, right, No, actually kind of iger to that

34
00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,960
Speaker 1: what happened. So when he was shot, he was shot

35
00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,000
Speaker 1: in the stomach and he couldn't eat, so they had

36
00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,320
Speaker 1: he stayed alive for weeks after the fact. So one

37
00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,720
Speaker 1: of the things they tried to do to keep him alive,

38
00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,240
Speaker 1: this is an actual thing. They gave him what are

39
00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,880
Speaker 1: called nutrient enemas they I think it was peanut butter

40
00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,920
Speaker 1: they were putting. They were feeding him rectally, which caused

41
00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,400
Speaker 1: such obscene gas that even the doctors couldn't be in

42
00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,919
Speaker 1: the room. But I was. I I just couldn't figure

43
00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,680
Speaker 1: out how you would turn that into a mystery. You know,

44
00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:53,720
Speaker 1: it's tied to change the ocast anyway. Yeah, because yeah,

45
00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,080
Speaker 1: we kind of we kind of tapped out all the

46
00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,799
Speaker 1: whole unsolved mysteries. This is the last one except for yeah, none,

47
00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,880
Speaker 1: this is the last one. I checked the internet left

48
00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,720
Speaker 1: nothing left. Yeah, sorry, folks, Okay, back to our mystery.

49
00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,120
Speaker 1: He along. Oh yeah, that's right, We're actually doing a

50
00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,480
Speaker 1: real mystery. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, he he was. He was popular,

51
00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,679
Speaker 1: he belong was popular with Louisiana. But it's also very polarizing.

52
00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,919
Speaker 1: You either loved him or you hated him. His detractors

53
00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,639
Speaker 1: called him, among other things, a dictator, a demagogue, fascist,

54
00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,079
Speaker 1: and a socialist. Demagogue is like one of my favorite words. Yeah,

55
00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,080
Speaker 1: this is a good word. What is specifically, what the

56
00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,960
Speaker 1: definition of demagogue? Because I've seen it used and I

57
00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,000
Speaker 1: never I've always heard it describe in different ways. Yeah,

58
00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,560
Speaker 1: I guess the best definition is a demagogue is somebody

59
00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:43,360
Speaker 1: who tells I think insightful lies, you know, inciting lies, like,

60
00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,440
Speaker 1: for example, Al Sharpton. I would I would call Al Sharpton.

61
00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,840
Speaker 1: Sorry for any Al Sharpton fans out there, but I

62
00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,120
Speaker 1: would say he demagogues a lot of issues by by

63
00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,920
Speaker 1: taking taking an issue that's really you know, and and

64
00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:02,280
Speaker 1: interpreting it in in an unreasonable way. Do you want the dictionary?

65
00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,880
Speaker 1: Let me have that. Yeah, it's a noun. It's for

66
00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,760
Speaker 1: a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular

67
00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,920
Speaker 1: desires and prejudices rather than using rational arguments. Okay, that's

68
00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,960
Speaker 1: probably a better definition than mine. He long achieved his

69
00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,400
Speaker 1: goals generally through intimidation and bribery rather than just persuasion.

70
00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,680
Speaker 1: He was basically a machine politician, and he controlled and

71
00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,120
Speaker 1: appoint appointed people to lots and lots of jobs, and

72
00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,520
Speaker 1: so he was able to dole out favors to his

73
00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,800
Speaker 1: his buddies and his cronies and political allies. And that

74
00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,640
Speaker 1: was pretty common though in that day. Yeah, yeah, very much. So.

75
00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,320
Speaker 1: He was the picture of a corrupt politician. Yeah. And

76
00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,560
Speaker 1: he also tried to make life hell for his opponents.

77
00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,320
Speaker 1: He would he would go out of his way to

78
00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,000
Speaker 1: get people fired and people who weren't actually speaking at

79
00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,040
Speaker 1: against them. They just happen to be members of the

80
00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,159
Speaker 1: family of somebody who across him, and say the family

81
00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,440
Speaker 1: member thing is what I always just shook my head

82
00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,840
Speaker 1: at that. Yeah, he was. He was very vindictive. Anyway.

83
00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:04,400
Speaker 1: He uh long actually campaign for Roosevelt in nineteen eight

84
00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,160
Speaker 1: or Exis Meet two I believe it was. But after

85
00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,279
Speaker 1: he was elected to the Senate, he decided to break

86
00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,239
Speaker 1: with the Roosevelt administration and he started thinking about running

87
00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,120
Speaker 1: for the presidency himself. He was a big critic of

88
00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,239
Speaker 1: the Federal Reserve Bank, and he said that his policies

89
00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,040
Speaker 1: were the real cause of the Great Depression. And in

90
00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,000
Speaker 1: that particular instance he might have actually had a point.

91
00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,679
Speaker 1: I wouldn't agree with Hu Belong on a lot of things,

92
00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,039
Speaker 1: but anyway, to move on. He was in the Senate

93
00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,799
Speaker 1: now in nineteen thirty four, and he introduced his bright

94
00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,520
Speaker 1: idea which called he called share our Wealth. So his

95
00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,159
Speaker 1: plan was a very radical one to cap personal fortunes

96
00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,120
Speaker 1: at fifty million dollars limit annually comes to a million dollars,

97
00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,680
Speaker 1: and cap inheritance. Inheritance says that five million dollars and

98
00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,160
Speaker 1: then spread all the wealth around. That's your generalmen taken

99
00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:52,080
Speaker 1: by the government. I've okay, I've read this a number

100
00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,039
Speaker 1: of times and they never quite understood. So if I

101
00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:01,400
Speaker 1: am making over fifty mill, then anything above that number

102
00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:06,640
Speaker 1: the government takes, that's you. That's not your income. The

103
00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,839
Speaker 1: fifty million is your personal fortune, what you have in assets,

104
00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,960
Speaker 1: bank account. So you can't be personally worth more than

105
00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,320
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars. You can't make more than one million

106
00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,960
Speaker 1: dollars a year, and you can't inherit more than five

107
00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,680
Speaker 1: million dollars five million in assets. Yeah, yeah, I mean totally. So,

108
00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,200
Speaker 1: so then what happens What would happen if I made

109
00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,360
Speaker 1: one point one million? What happens to that point one million?

110
00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,200
Speaker 1: Does the government then take that and use it however

111
00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,280
Speaker 1: it deems fit? Is that how this was going to work?

112
00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,039
Speaker 1: Apparently that's how it was going to work. And I

113
00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,640
Speaker 1: don't know what I guess. I suppose if say, if

114
00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,600
Speaker 1: you have a fortune of a fifty million, and so

115
00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,480
Speaker 1: you make a million bucks that year, I suppose you

116
00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,080
Speaker 1: don't get to keep any of it, because you know

117
00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,520
Speaker 1: you can, Otherwise you'd be tacking it onto your personal fortune,

118
00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,760
Speaker 1: and then you'd have fifty one million. From an economic standpoint,

119
00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,160
Speaker 1: this is a terrible idea, you know, well, I mean

120
00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,440
Speaker 1: it encourages people to spend what they make instead of

121
00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:04,039
Speaker 1: saving it. Right, it encourages the spreading of wealth, and

122
00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,479
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the ideal trickle down economics. Right,

123
00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,600
Speaker 1: it's the pinnacle of encouraging people who have to spend

124
00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,760
Speaker 1: back into the economy that maybe fuels other people. I

125
00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,640
Speaker 1: think it's one of those things that in theory it

126
00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,200
Speaker 1: could could or could not be a good idea. In practice,

127
00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,080
Speaker 1: there's no way I was gonna say. In practice, it

128
00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:30,040
Speaker 1: discourages people from doing things, taking a risk, to do

129
00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,960
Speaker 1: something that can make gods of money, because then they're

130
00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,720
Speaker 1: going to be over the limit. And why the hell

131
00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,480
Speaker 1: would I want to take that risk and make all

132
00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,480
Speaker 1: that money just to not get just to invest all

133
00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,840
Speaker 1: that time and effort and my capital to then get

134
00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,280
Speaker 1: my capital back but then get no return on it

135
00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,240
Speaker 1: because now I've got too much money. Yeah, and that's

136
00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,320
Speaker 1: that's an economic theory. There's a whole bunch of stuff there, Brian,

137
00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,560
Speaker 1: Now we're not here to talk about. Yeah. Obviously, his

138
00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,000
Speaker 1: his proposal didn't get very far in the Senate, so

139
00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,080
Speaker 1: he started he started a political organization called the Share

140
00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,680
Speaker 1: Our Wealth Society, which was essentially like a political party,

141
00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,400
Speaker 1: and it had twenty seven thousand clubs quote unquote across

142
00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,680
Speaker 1: the country, and by the time he Long died, the

143
00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,600
Speaker 1: society had seven and a half million members. So yeah,

144
00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,240
Speaker 1: it was you know, obviously a lot of people like

145
00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,600
Speaker 1: that idea. After he went to the Senate, he Long

146
00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,080
Speaker 1: continued to dominate Louisiana politics. He went back to Baton

147
00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,000
Speaker 1: Rouge quite often and wrote and lobby for bills. He

148
00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,679
Speaker 1: never really left them his position as government, not entirely.

149
00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,760
Speaker 1: You know, when he went he was he would zip

150
00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,840
Speaker 1: over to Washington for a little bit and then come back,

151
00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:42,400
Speaker 1: and apparently the governor succeeded him with whenever whenever he

152
00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,720
Speaker 1: Long was in town, he Long would just take over

153
00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,880
Speaker 1: his office. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that went over really

154
00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,319
Speaker 1: well with him. He was a supporter, so I'm sure

155
00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,720
Speaker 1: it was one of those things you had to do

156
00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,760
Speaker 1: for the man who got you the job. But he

157
00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,560
Speaker 1: also just he'd walk and he'd walk all over everybody

158
00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,839
Speaker 1: and just yelling, point and holler and dictate to people

159
00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,679
Speaker 1: what needed to be done when it was not his

160
00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,439
Speaker 1: position anymore. But He's still a lot of people did

161
00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,640
Speaker 1: what he told him to do. He still had lots

162
00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:17,200
Speaker 1: of influence. Yeah, his consolidation power continued to grow even

163
00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,040
Speaker 1: though he was no longer the governor, and opposition got

164
00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,800
Speaker 1: more intense and sometimes even violent. There was actually talking

165
00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:28,440
Speaker 1: about armed rebellion, and yeah, he um. In that summer

166
00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,839
Speaker 1: of nineteen five, he called two more special sessions of

167
00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,480
Speaker 1: the legislature and passed a bunch of bills and got

168
00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,480
Speaker 1: his all his cronies in the legislature to pass up

169
00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of bills. They consolidate his control over the

170
00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,960
Speaker 1: state by creating several new state agencies, wasn't it? What

171
00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,520
Speaker 1: weren't The bills passed kind of like rapid fire, one

172
00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,480
Speaker 1: after another, and there wasn't even they didn't even read

173
00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:52,920
Speaker 1: the bills voting on it. They just said, okay, next one. Yeah. Yeah,

174
00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,560
Speaker 1: So let's see what new state agencies he created here.

175
00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,520
Speaker 1: A State Bond and Tax Board holding soul authority to

176
00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,920
Speaker 1: approve approve alone to parish and municipal governments. A new

177
00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,199
Speaker 1: state Printing Board which could withhold quote unquote official printers

178
00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,079
Speaker 1: status from uncooperative newspapers that was aimed to stop people

179
00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:15,600
Speaker 1: who were bashing along. Yeah, so essentially, yeah, and first amendment, Yes,

180
00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,640
Speaker 1: pretty much a new board of Election Supervisors, which would

181
00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,400
Speaker 1: appoint all poll watchers. Now that's handy to have on

182
00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,120
Speaker 1: elections for hand control over all the all the poll

183
00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,760
Speaker 1: watchers across the state. And also a state board of censors.

184
00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,960
Speaker 1: He Long controlled all appointments to all these boards, of

185
00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,360
Speaker 1: course he did. Yeah it do you know? You may

186
00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,160
Speaker 1: or may not know was the wording of the new

187
00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,520
Speaker 1: laws specifically and Huey Long or was it and the

188
00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:46,080
Speaker 1: Senator of the state in Louisiana only they went through

189
00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,600
Speaker 1: the Senate, right, But I'm saying lived the bill that

190
00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,600
Speaker 1: they passed, you know, I did it? Say, I don't

191
00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,080
Speaker 1: think they did, but I think I think it was.

192
00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,160
Speaker 1: I think everybody just assumed that hue Long was going

193
00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,160
Speaker 1: to going to make the appointments or else he was

194
00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,959
Speaker 1: actually actually the appointments would have been made by the governor,

195
00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:06,640
Speaker 1: who I'm sure I would do exactly what. Yeah, so

196
00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:11,000
Speaker 1: a nice guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not going to

197
00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,160
Speaker 1: go there are lots of other stuff that he did.

198
00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if you've read up in this guy at all,

199
00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,520
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, he's kind of a jerk. He was

200
00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,439
Speaker 1: a flaming jerky. So there's a trail of bodies, so

201
00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,480
Speaker 1: to speak, behind this guy. Yeah, I wouldn't. I would

202
00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,280
Speaker 1: not be surprised to find out there's a trail of

203
00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,079
Speaker 1: real bodies. Actually, one of his, one of his, one

204
00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,880
Speaker 1: of his political opponents, actually did die in a convenient

205
00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,920
Speaker 1: train wreck. It's a car train wreck. But that could

206
00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,439
Speaker 1: have been an accident. It could have been Yeah, it

207
00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,680
Speaker 1: could have been probably not. Yeah, you know, those happen. Yeah.

208
00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,440
Speaker 1: In August of nineteen thirty five, Long finally announced that

209
00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,400
Speaker 1: he was going to run for president the following year.

210
00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,400
Speaker 1: But a month later, September eight, nineteen thirty five, he

211
00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,040
Speaker 1: was at the state capitol ramming through a new law,

212
00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,880
Speaker 1: which is called House Bill number one, which was a

213
00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,959
Speaker 1: redistric between plan. One of his opponents was a judge

214
00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,800
Speaker 1: named Henry Povey who served in the sixteenth District judge ship,

215
00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,520
Speaker 1: and he'd been there since nineteen ten. Is an elected Yeah,

216
00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,600
Speaker 1: he had been there. Yeah. Uh So the House Bill

217
00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,800
Speaker 1: number one was specifically meant to change the boundaries of

218
00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,480
Speaker 1: his district to include more Long supporters so that he

219
00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,400
Speaker 1: would be out of a job come next election. That

220
00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,319
Speaker 1: passed about nine fifteen the night of September eight. It

221
00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,600
Speaker 1: was a long session. Um oh yeah, I forgot one

222
00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,880
Speaker 1: other thing. Oh yeah. Apparently Long also told Pobby that

223
00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,679
Speaker 1: he was going to tell everybody in the world that

224
00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:34,360
Speaker 1: Pobby's family was tainted with quote coffee blood, unquote coffee blood,

225
00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,319
Speaker 1: meaning they had there was a there was a black

226
00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,680
Speaker 1: person somewhere in the family here. Okay, I was going

227
00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,280
Speaker 1: to say this, this is a Rachel slur, I'm assuming

228
00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,839
Speaker 1: for the time. Yeah, yeah, and it's like yeah, and

229
00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,600
Speaker 1: this is Louisiana and the so obviously that it would

230
00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,360
Speaker 1: be a bigger deal kind of accusation. No, I can

231
00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:56,120
Speaker 1: see in context how offensive that would be for an

232
00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,400
Speaker 1: upstanding for the time, the upstanding white citizen to be

233
00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:05,440
Speaker 1: accused of that, just knowing how people were at that time, Yeah,

234
00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,920
Speaker 1: it was. It was a serious thing then, Yeah, obviously,

235
00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, and some some certain communities that still isab

236
00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,760
Speaker 1: which is still dumb. But okay, now back to back

237
00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,960
Speaker 1: to the session. Actually, let's talk about let's talk about

238
00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,679
Speaker 1: the assassin whose name was Dr Carl Weiss. He was

239
00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,000
Speaker 1: twenty nine years old. He was Judge Bobby's son in

240
00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,680
Speaker 1: law and he was at the capital that day, trying

241
00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,400
Speaker 1: to get to speak to Long, but every time he

242
00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,400
Speaker 1: would approach him to get a rude brush off from

243
00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,199
Speaker 1: Long and his bodyguards. How many were there, by the

244
00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:34,960
Speaker 1: way the bodyguard I was there were able to find

245
00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,920
Speaker 1: out exactly how many I got. I got a feeling

246
00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,680
Speaker 1: there were at least four, if not like six or eight.

247
00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,080
Speaker 1: I mean there were a bunch of they were all

248
00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,280
Speaker 1: state troopers. Well, and I remember reading I can't remember

249
00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,960
Speaker 1: what it was about something a year or two prior

250
00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,600
Speaker 1: that had caused him to then only travel with bodyguards.

251
00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,959
Speaker 1: But I had never seen how many there were. Yeah,

252
00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm not sure either. I'm sure there were. I know

253
00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,800
Speaker 1: there were at least four. I don't know. That's that's

254
00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,400
Speaker 1: better than I don't. So I suspect there could have

255
00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,439
Speaker 1: been a whole bunch of them, because he'll find out

256
00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:09,360
Speaker 1: this in a second. Um, yeah he was. He kept

257
00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,800
Speaker 1: trying to approach Long, and he get rudely brushed off

258
00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:17,480
Speaker 1: and Carl Wise A Wise and PM. Just after House

259
00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,320
Speaker 1: bield number one had passed, Long exited the Legislative chamber

260
00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,200
Speaker 1: was in the corridor outside, and he was approached by

261
00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,320
Speaker 1: Wise the third time. Although some some accounts of this

262
00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,920
Speaker 1: say that Wiss was actually hiding behind a column in

263
00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,840
Speaker 1: the in the in the corridor, and as as Long

264
00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,560
Speaker 1: walked by, he popped out. He owned the thirty two

265
00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,320
Speaker 1: caliber automatic that he usually kept in his car, but

266
00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,440
Speaker 1: apparently added on him. When he tried to touch a Long,

267
00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,720
Speaker 1: he got another insulting brush off, at which point he

268
00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,800
Speaker 1: pulled up thirty two and shot Long from about four

269
00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,240
Speaker 1: feet away, although there's evidence that if he didn't cheat,

270
00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,120
Speaker 1: did you shoot Long? And he actually shot him from

271
00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,320
Speaker 1: like right up close and personal, actually put the gun

272
00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,360
Speaker 1: to his body and because apparently there were there were

273
00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,880
Speaker 1: powder burns his jacket. Yeah, we've talked about some of

274
00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,160
Speaker 1: that before. You do have to be exceedingly closed for

275
00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,360
Speaker 1: the powder burns to transfer. Yeah, definitely, certainly closer than

276
00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,760
Speaker 1: four ft. Yeah. Yeah. Again, it's like there's a lot

277
00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,480
Speaker 1: of different witnesses and a lot of different accounts of this.

278
00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,360
Speaker 1: The bodyguards were turned fire and they shot Wis sixty

279
00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:26,920
Speaker 1: two times, which is reasonable. Yeah, he was clearly dangerous. Yeah,

280
00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,160
Speaker 1: what was it was like thirty some bullets in the

281
00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,240
Speaker 1: in the torso, five or ten in the head and

282
00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,000
Speaker 1: the rest in the legs. I mean it's just like

283
00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,680
Speaker 1: literally riddled with bullets. Yeah, I was a human callandar

284
00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,760
Speaker 1: at that point. Oh yeah, I think about it is

285
00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,720
Speaker 1: is that when when when we were the cops at least,

286
00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,480
Speaker 1: this is the way it seems to happen these days

287
00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,880
Speaker 1: in this town. Whenever they shoot somebody a bunch of times,

288
00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,840
Speaker 1: usually about half the bullets miss, if not more. There

289
00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,640
Speaker 1: was a lot of lead fline around that shots. Yeah, yeah,

290
00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,080
Speaker 1: that or they just shot like hundred and twenty times.

291
00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,920
Speaker 1: Well they were automatics, yeah, yeah, maybe they had a

292
00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,920
Speaker 1: couple of Tommy guns. I don't know, it could have

293
00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,560
Speaker 1: been that. I don't Yeah, I can't say I remember

294
00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,240
Speaker 1: seeing something about Tommy guns. But it seems that seems

295
00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:16,040
Speaker 1: really excessive for a bodyguard for a U. S. Senator

296
00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,600
Speaker 1: to be packing around. I mean that's just that's a

297
00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:24,400
Speaker 1: lot firepower. Yeah that certainly, yes, Uh, but I have

298
00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,240
Speaker 1: no idea. Yeah, I think that. I think really probably

299
00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, they probably shot him about a dozen times

300
00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,640
Speaker 1: and then just stood over his body and shot him

301
00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,760
Speaker 1: a bunch more times. Yeah, so basically he died. So

302
00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,040
Speaker 1: were they not taking care? They were busy shooting? What

303
00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,320
Speaker 1: was what was Long doing? Did Long die? Immediately he

304
00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,080
Speaker 1: felt round. No, no, no, yeah he did. He wasn't

305
00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,480
Speaker 1: dead at that point. He staggered down the corridor and

306
00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,000
Speaker 1: went down four flights of stairs where he met somebody

307
00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,840
Speaker 1: and that the name of this person is unknown, but

308
00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,640
Speaker 1: that's that's. This person drove him to the our lady

309
00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,960
Speaker 1: of the Lake Sanitarium, which is about a quarter mile away.

310
00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,320
Speaker 1: That person is always referred to as an associate. Yeah,

311
00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,760
Speaker 1: I when I when I read your stuff and I'd

312
00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,680
Speaker 1: read it and I realized I hadn't found it. I

313
00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,960
Speaker 1: kept trying to find that. It's always an associate. Yeah,

314
00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,399
Speaker 1: So don't ask me. Did she have a sword for

315
00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:16,840
Speaker 1: King Arthur? Seah? Yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah, I can't hear

316
00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:25,040
Speaker 1: that without thinking about yeah, yeah, sorry, where are we

317
00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:29,440
Speaker 1: at here? Oh? Yeah, yeah, lady. So he was operated

318
00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,520
Speaker 1: on and patched up, but he died anyway about thirty

319
00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:36,280
Speaker 1: hours later. So he belong is dead assassinated? But was

320
00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,240
Speaker 1: he actually assassinated? Was he? Yeah? That's the mystery. Oh yeah.

321
00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,960
Speaker 1: The other mystery is what kind of medical treatment did

322
00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,480
Speaker 1: he get? Was it adequate? Yeah? It was it adequate?

323
00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,359
Speaker 1: Seems like maybe not. I don't know that that that

324
00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,680
Speaker 1: that question is right to ask based on what I've read,

325
00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,200
Speaker 1: but I know we're going to get into it. Yeah,

326
00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,720
Speaker 1: that's hard to I mean, a bullet to the gut,

327
00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,920
Speaker 1: it just depends on what it hits and all that stuff.

328
00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,520
Speaker 1: Back to Hue, he was even though he was popular

329
00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,679
Speaker 1: with some people, he said, he alienated a lot of

330
00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,439
Speaker 1: other people, and even in the medical community he had

331
00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,960
Speaker 1: alienated people, um and so he didn't trust any old

332
00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,520
Speaker 1: doctor to operate on him or treat him. But there

333
00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,320
Speaker 1: was a doctor who happened to be in the hospital

334
00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,400
Speaker 1: at the time, who was a long appointee and then

335
00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,080
Speaker 1: therefore considered trustworthy, just happened to be there. Yeah. His

336
00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,000
Speaker 1: name was Art was Arthur of Adrien U and he

337
00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,040
Speaker 1: was acceptable, even though they were probably far better surgeons

338
00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,400
Speaker 1: out there. You know, the other surgeons can maybe wanted

339
00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,879
Speaker 1: to kill Long. So but what I've been shot, I

340
00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,760
Speaker 1: usually don't squabble about who my doctor is. Yeah, yeah,

341
00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,399
Speaker 1: Artur Adrien. Doctor Adrine examined Hue Long and decided that

342
00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,119
Speaker 1: the wound was a through and through wound, one in

343
00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,879
Speaker 1: the front, back and out to back. Yeah, and he

344
00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,760
Speaker 1: told Long the surgery was needed, and Long agreed to that,

345
00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,960
Speaker 1: but he requested a couple of well known surgeons from

346
00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,359
Speaker 1: New Orleans who were summoned as as his condition was

347
00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,160
Speaker 1: deteriorating so much it was decided that surgery couldn't wait.

348
00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,879
Speaker 1: I also remember one of those doctors got weirdly delayed

349
00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,840
Speaker 1: by a car accident. Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah,

350
00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,320
Speaker 1: one of him couldn't make it because well he was

351
00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,600
Speaker 1: a fender bender. Yeah, which is a conspiracy. I mean no,

352
00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,240
Speaker 1: it's not. Sorry, Yeah, the politics is you know, I

353
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,560
Speaker 1: think everything in Louisiana at this time, and maybe it's

354
00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,879
Speaker 1: still this way today, I don't know. Was everything seemed

355
00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,920
Speaker 1: to be politicized. So anyway, Arthur, doctor of a drine,

356
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,440
Speaker 1: became the chief surgeon, and he was assisted by two

357
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,480
Speaker 1: other surgeons and as caesiologist was recruited. His name was

358
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,720
Speaker 1: Henry McCowen, but he was anti Long, and he had

359
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,000
Speaker 1: reportedly said just a couple of days before that if

360
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,560
Speaker 1: he ever did any Segon and Huey Long, he would

361
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:51,359
Speaker 1: never wake up. So he said he would do it,

362
00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,880
Speaker 1: but he stipulated that another doctor had to be right

363
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 1: at the side watching his every move. Spart Man. Yeah,

364
00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,159
Speaker 1: smart move. Oh and so time time for surgery. But

365
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,200
Speaker 1: what didn't they do before surgery? They didn't take any

366
00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,879
Speaker 1: X rays? Do you know why why? No, I'm asking.

367
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 1: I've never found out why. I don't know why. I mean,

368
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,440
Speaker 1: I really can't understand. It seemed to me you'd want

369
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 1: to take an X ray or two and find out

370
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 1: where the bullet is if there's And maybe that's why

371
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 1: they didn't do it. Is maybe they felt like the

372
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,439
Speaker 1: doctor concluded it was through and through wounds, so if

373
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,200
Speaker 1: he had already decided that the bullet was not in

374
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,199
Speaker 1: the body, maybe they didn't need to take the time

375
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,239
Speaker 1: to do X rays and was kind of rushing into

376
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,440
Speaker 1: the surgery. Six hours between the time that he arrived

377
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,720
Speaker 1: and the time he went into surgery. Correct, No, it

378
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 1: wasn't that long, was it? Was it? Not that I

379
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,399
Speaker 1: thought it was. Was it three? Or how long was it? Then?

380
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,440
Speaker 1: I thought it was like six hours between when he

381
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 1: arrived and when the scalpel touched because he was waiting

382
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 1: for those other doctors. No, actually it was almost two hours. Okay,

383
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,680
Speaker 1: well started the surgery. Regardless, two hours seemed like more

384
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 1: than enough time to wheelem into the X ray bay

385
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,199
Speaker 1: and at least take a shot. I don't know if

386
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,880
Speaker 1: if he thought it was through and through. If there's

387
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 1: a hole in the front and a hole in the back,

388
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 1: where else did the bullet going to be? Why even

389
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 1: bother taking an X ray? Those things are expensive, but

390
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: but the thing is that X rays show things, not

391
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 1: just metal, but you do see I mean, granted the

392
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 1: technology wasn't that great at the time, but it would

393
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 1: give you an idea of if there's pooling of blood

394
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 1: in areas of the body. Because he's gonna have to

395
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 1: be in a prone position to take this, not as

396
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 1: if he can stand up, probably show you, like you know,

397
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 1: some ribs got chipped or broken exactly. He's gonna have

398
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 1: been laid out for a while. So I just I

399
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 1: feel like there would have been some information to be

400
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 1: gained from doing the X ray. There were some there

401
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: were some strange decisions made regarding this whole surgery. It was.

402
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,239
Speaker 1: It was a really, really peculiar thing. Anyway, I'll get

403
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 1: into that. A guy named ed Read wrote a book

404
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 1: about this whole thing, about about the death of Belong.

405
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 1: It was called Requiem for a Kingfish, and he said

406
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 1: necessarily was quote one of the most bizarre and unreal

407
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 1: operating room settings that one could possibly imagine spectators, bodyguards

408
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: and medical professionals elbowed each other for space in the

409
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: operating room. Unquote, Well, there goes all the sterilists practices.

410
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 1: Some of them some of them were surgical gowns, but

411
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 1: most were in the street clothes. And yeah, just standing

412
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 1: right there in the operating room. It's no wonder he

413
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 1: died this. He did get an infection later. Yeah, but

414
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: you know this makes me think of is whenever it's

415
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 1: a big political figure, this kind of garbage happens. I

416
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 1: swear it was something like a similar situation when there

417
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: was the attempted assassination of Ono Reagan that a bunch

418
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 1: of people were in the room was being treated. JFK

419
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: was the other one. There was a bunch of secret

420
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 1: service in the room. What what where does? Why is

421
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 1: it when you're super super important do we throw out

422
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 1: all of the safety rules. Well, I wonder if the

423
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: reason that you have a body guarden there is to

424
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: make sure that you know that your person is going

425
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: to wake up from anesthesia, right, I mean somebody didn't

426
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 1: snuff him. Yeah, the opportunity. Yeah, that's the thing is

427
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: if you're if you're the surgeon or surgeons. In this case,

428
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: you probably want to have at least one or two

429
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: of Wong's cronies in there to witness it and make sure. Yeah,

430
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 1: that sounded like a house party, Yeah, I know. Yeah,

431
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 1: and it was probably a little over Yeah, I don't.

432
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: I don't think any of these people, if they were

433
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: in street clothes, I'm sure they didn't like, you know,

434
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 1: scrub or sanitize themselves in so Dr Madrine was assisted

435
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: by two other surgeons, one of whom was named Cook.

436
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: I can't remember his first name. They opened longing up,

437
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: they found it appeared that he hadn't been damaged too badly.

438
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: His colon was perforated, so they repaired that and then

439
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: they stitched him up and apparently no bullet was found.

440
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: But accounts differ on this, yeah quite a bit. Yeah, yeah,

441
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: so I'll talk about that in a little bit. Uh.

442
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: And Arthur Adrien reportedly said that it was just a

443
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: perforation of the intest But then later on another doctor

444
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: arrived at the hospital and he told that doctor that

445
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: the right kidney was damaged and bleeding, and he was

446
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: asked if he'd seen the kidney in Madrid, said that

447
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,719
Speaker 1: he had only felt it that. Really it doesn't make

448
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. You know, if you've determined the

449
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: k the kid is damaged, but you don't bother doing

450
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 1: any repairs before you close them up. Look at it. Yeah,

451
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: I've got the wrinkled eyebrow thing going like, well, yeah,

452
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: I know. Well I don't get it either. But like

453
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: I said, this is a strange, strange medical situation. And

454
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: I read a really long, very scholarly article on this.

455
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,959
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys read that through that thing.

456
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: That's quite good. Actually, yeah, it's yeah. And he uh,

457
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: he says that it's his apparent that medical practice was

458
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: tainted by politics in this case anything, Yeah, he belongs,

459
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: condition deteriorated, It was apparent he was losing blood, so

460
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: that man, he was bleeding internally. And six hours after surgery,

461
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: a blood count was done. It showed the signs that

462
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: he was had an action surprising, Yeah, big surprise. Huh.

463
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: Hopefully that the surgeons scrubbed in at last before you know,

464
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: please at least one person in this Yeah, but the

465
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: but the doctors felt that Long was too weak to

466
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: withstand another surgery, so they just gave him drugs and

467
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: blood transfusion and eventually, thirty hours after he was shot,

468
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: he died. Yeah, that's not going to keep I mean,

469
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: not for too long unless you can stop the bleeding. Yeah,

470
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: I understand him at a doctor, and I understand that

471
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 1: when someone is desperately, desperately ill, the trauma of cutting

472
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: them back open and rooting around in their insides is

473
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: going to do do more harm than good. Yes, the shock,

474
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: it's a very huge shock to your system. But if

475
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: if this guy has already got an incision where they've

476
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: gone in once, that's not that's not really a new

477
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: trauma to cut the stitches. And if all you're going

478
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: in to do is say, I know the kidney's got

479
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 1: a perforation, let's stitch it up real quick, I don't

480
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: see how. Then again, practice is the time or not

481
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 1: what they are now. It used to be shoved your

482
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: hands in there and did everything and juggle all the

483
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: guts around, whereas now they've got better tools so they're

484
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: not doing all of that. But it just amazes me.

485
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you've had three transfusions today and we're

486
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: just not going to do anything. Well, I don't think,

487
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think that an incision like that

488
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: begins to heal much more quickly than I think you

489
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: might think it does. It's not. I don't think it

490
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: is a matter of just like stitches and the note,

491
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: it's just an opening that's like still there. I think

492
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: that you know, it's starting to scap hopefully ideally right,

493
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: it's starting to scab over, its starting to heal itself.

494
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: Damage that. I'm sorry but to redamage that it's probably

495
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: going to do like way more shocked than it would

496
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: have been to even kind of open he's gonna have again. Yeah, well,

497
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: we have any surgeons out there, why don't you guys

498
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: like and let us know. He's probably some guy doing

499
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: open heart surgery. Right now, let's listening to our podcast

500
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: yelling no, what you're doing? Never saw? Okay, where were

501
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: we off topic? Yeah, amazing, I think we're at theories. No,

502
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: not quite the one one last interesting little thing here.

503
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: No autopsy was done. Yeah, I mean seriously, no autopsy

504
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: was done. That would have been actually really helpful, super helpful. Yeah,

505
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: but apparently he belongs wife didn't want an autopsy done,

506
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: so they didn't do it. So I guess unless we

507
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: go to Louisiana and dig up his body and check

508
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: for bullets in it. Well, even then I think it's

509
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: probably it's probably pretty far calling, right, Yeah. Actually Dr

510
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: Karl Weiss's body was exhumed. Why, Yeah, interesting, Well, apparently

511
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: apparently they were counting the bullets. Now, they didn't need

512
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: to catch the bullets so much that I think they

513
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: wanted they wanted to do like blood and tissue samples

514
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: or whatever whatever they could and find out if there

515
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: was any evidence of anything in his brain that could

516
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: have caused him to go around the bend and shoot,

517
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: because he really wasn't a violent He wasn't a violent person,

518
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: and even though he had somewhat of a motive, it

519
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: wasn't a strong motive really, not murder, not for murdering. Yeah,

520
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: and and so that that well was it was it drugs,

521
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: There was it some sort of mental condition or a

522
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: brain tumor or what what costs? And so they so

523
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: they dug his body up, and even even though I

524
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: found a couple of articles on them exuming the body,

525
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: I was not able to ever find anything about what

526
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: results that came up with anything That usually means there

527
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: was no results of any note that most likely is

528
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: what it means. Yeah. So but Yeah, he has not

529
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: been dug up as far as I know. He's he's

530
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: bared at state capital in Louisiana. By the way, Okay,

531
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: he's not carylogenically frozen. And let's jump in your aple

532
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: of shovels. We'll find out actually sledgehammers. I think he's

533
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: in like a like a marble or grandit crip. I

534
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: just want I just bought a new four pound hammer perfectly. Yeah,

535
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: I guess it's kind of moving up now. Yeah. I

536
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: don't break in graves too often, alright. Theories number one there,

537
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: he was assassinated by Karl Wisse, who had he did

538
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: have a good documented motive to not like him because

539
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: he was gonna put his father in law out of

540
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: a job and because he was going to slanders the family. Yeah.

541
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, well that's that's that's that that is

542
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: an issue because you know, Potty was judge. Potty was

543
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: sixty years old at the time of He Belongs murder,

544
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: and he was about to actually turn sixty one, So

545
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: if it would put him out of a job, it

546
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't be for that long before his retirement anyway. Aren't

547
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: judges like also paid forever? I don't know if you

548
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: are they like Congress, and I don't know if at

549
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: that time. Yeah, I don't believe in that municipality that

550
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: kind of judge would be. I know that in higher

551
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: courts they are. That's it. Those are usually really high

552
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: kind of federal level. Course. Yeah, of course this wasn't

553
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: gonna necessarily put him put him into poverty, because he's

554
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: still Guy's still a lawyer, he can still practice law.

555
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: So I mean that that wasn't the end of the

556
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: world necessarily for Poppy. That's the official that's the official explanation,

557
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: is that as that Weiss did it. Actually I read

558
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: the Louisiana State Police reopened the case and because some

559
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: interesting evidence was found, and so they reopened it and

560
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: just went over all the all the evidence again and

561
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: concluded it when Karl Weiss was the shooter. So that's

562
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: what the official version is. I know that. I know

563
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: that when you take tours through that courthouse where all

564
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: of this went down, one of the things the tour

565
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: guides always do is they always point to a pock

566
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: bark in the column and say that's where the bullet

567
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: that killed Hughie Long hit the column. And then somebody

568
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: actually investigated it. It's not actually a fracture. It's just

569
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: a dark spot in the marbles, just an imperfection in

570
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: the marble. Yeah, you would think there'd be some bullet

571
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: holes unless, unless, of course, the that the State Troopers

572
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: bodyguards were really really accurate and then they and they

573
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: didn't miss a single shot. But you would think there'd

574
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: be a lot of pock marks in the walls. Yeah, okay,

575
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: so much for that theory. Uh theory number two, Oh boy, Yeah,

576
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: this is a fun one. Karl Weiss was an assassin

577
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: for the International zion Zionist Conspiracy FDR. Actually Franklin Roosevelt

578
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: and or his cabinet was involved. Also, I got this

579
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: from the guys over at jew Watch, which is a

580
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: website that I stumbled across while researching this story. This

581
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: is this is a fantastic Please note sarcasm. Yeah, yeah,

582
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: it is. It really is just a bunch of paranoid

583
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, anti Semitic ravings and back to back to

584
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: these guys said putting a jew Watch quote. Long was

585
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: assassinated because he was one of the most charismatic leaders

586
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: of the nineteen thirties and he was going to run

587
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: for president. He could easily have defeated Roosevelt and would

588
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: have put international jewry back two hundred years. That's and

589
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: that's again, that's what that's what these guys are saying.

590
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how. I mean, I guess because Huey

591
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: Long was going to attack capital, that's what he was doing.

592
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: And he was going to spread the money around, yeah,

593
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: out decentralize it. Yeah yeah. And and so since that since,

594
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: of course, according to people like this, I'm not saying this,

595
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: of course, but according to people the people that you watch,

596
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: since the Jews have all the money, then obviously they

597
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: don't want to have it taken from them. Many terrible,

598
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: terrible things. And Okay, I'm gonna hold my tongue and

599
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: just say, yeah, yeah, I just I'm just throwing this

600
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: one in for fun, just because and just what sore

601
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: listeners know. I don't actually regularly patronize this website on

602
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: their forums now. But also they claimed that Dr Arthur

603
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: Vidrine you remember him, the guy who operated on Belong Yeah, yeah,

604
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: they claimed he was also Jewish and that he deliberately

605
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: botched the operation. So this is a pretty a pretty

606
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: amazingly well run operation that apparently these these Zionist conspirators

607
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: and put together. Yeah, I know, anathing It's like, you know,

608
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to talk to it's it's interesting,

609
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, these guys that run websites like this and

610
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: say stuff like this. They apparently don't like Jews because

611
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: they think they're an inferior race apparently, and yet at

612
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: the same time, it's like, wow, those Jews. Is there

613
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: anything they can't do? Yeah, there there is a bit

614
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: of a juxtaposition. Yeah, a little bit. Okay, before we

615
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: move off in that theory. From that theory, I just

616
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: want to reiterate that, No, I don't think that the

617
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: Zionists the Jews were behind the murder off he be Long.

618
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: Do you guys disagree with me? Not at all. I'm

619
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: in complete agreement that I'm shocked this has even even

620
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: made the show, to be honest, that's how silly I

621
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: think this is. Well, you know, I like, yeah, it is.

622
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: It is absurd. But I I I appreciate Joe following

623
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: our our guideline of we will talk about any theory,

624
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: no matter how ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, it's what's so, what's next?

625
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: Oh next theory? Uh? He be Long was killed by

626
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: his bodyguards. I'll get on board with this one right

627
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: off the bat. Yeah, after all, there were a lot

628
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: of bullets flying around as some versions of this story

629
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: say that Weiss did not even have his gun on

630
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,479
Speaker 1: him and he just punched long in the face. Oh yeah,

631
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: apparently he belonged to have a split lip when he

632
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: showed up at the hospital. Yeah. Uh. And also you

633
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: know that if he had a bullet bullet wound in

634
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: the front and the back he was shot by at

635
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: thirty two a c P. That's a pretty anemic round.

636
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it could have made it all the

637
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: way through and out the back side. What what is it?

638
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: I don't know my guns set? Well. Can you give

639
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: another gun that that caliber would be equivalent to? I

640
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: mean's that like a nine millimeter slightly different, much much

641
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: smaller than a nine. It's bigger than a twenty two,

642
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: bigger lightly so it's slightly bigger than a two. Yeah,

643
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: just just simply put yeah, yeah, that's what it is.

644
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: It's it's it's you know, it's it's a deadly round.

645
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: I mean everything, but it's not. I mean, I've shot

646
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: hay Bales with a twenty two that have popped out

647
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: the other side though, Yeah, hay bales, hey bale's yeah,

648
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a human body. I'm sorry, what

649
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: was the last time you dealt with a hay bale?

650
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: Those things are packed super super tight. A machine packs

651
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: a hay bale. That's dense material. I just shot an

652
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: arrow through a hay bale this weekend. So sorry, I'm sorry.

653
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm just saying, like, you know, what

654
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: is it you guys hate hay bales? Yeah? Sorry, Bill

655
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: hate over here? No, I mean I think that the

656
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: point is is that a thirty two is not it's

657
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: it's not a huge counts not likely to go all

658
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 1: the way through a human body, particularly from four feet away, right, Yeah,

659
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 1: maybe blank doesn't lose that in the four ft between

660
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: the muzzle and the body. It's not going to lose

661
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: that much velocity. It's really hardly anything, and so I'm

662
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: kind of doubtful that it could have actually overpenetrated. Overpenetrated

663
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: means go through and through, right, Yeah, that's what it

664
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: means over and that's what the That's what I mean.

665
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: How how frequently do you know, handgun caliber kind of

666
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: bullets go through a body. It's not it's not as

667
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: super common occurrence as it caliber. Yeah, yes, sorry, you know,

668
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: nine millimeters even, yeah, you know, nine millimeters even. I

669
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: don't think go all the way through that often. Yeah, yeah, So,

670
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously back in these days, this was before

671
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: the invention of hollow points, and so there would have

672
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: been a full jacketed bullet would have traveled further, but

673
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: I still doubt that it would have gotten gone all

674
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 1: the way through. Maybe it did, but as no bullet

675
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: was found in the operation, over penetration is the most

676
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: likely possibility. Except one of the assisting surgeons did say

677
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: that a small caliber bullet was removed during surgery. Do

678
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: you do you want talked about that now a little bit? Well?

679
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: And then and then somebody else said that an object

680
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: was found, but it was actually fecal matter. I heard

681
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: that the Yeah, And so there's a lot of different

682
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different versions of this. Another the

683
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: same doctor supposedly removed another bullet from Long's body at

684
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: the funeral home after he died. His body was taking

685
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: to a funeral home and apparently he took a bullet out. Then,

686
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: wasn't there's something about this guy? He had a safe

687
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: deposit box and his family owned it and said that

688
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: the bullet was in there, and the investigators somehow got

689
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: into it and discovered it wasn't even from a thirty eight.

690
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: Does this sound familiar to you? Well? Now? Was or

691
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: is that somewhere later on? Yeah? I think what you're

692
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: thinking about is there was the the Louisians and the

693
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: Louisiana State Bureau of Criminal Investigation. The head of it

694
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: at this time was a guy named General L. F.

695
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: Gare and he apparently had a bunch of this evidence,

696
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: including the gun and the bullet and and a bullet

697
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: and and six cartridges in his possession, along with some

698
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: files and photos and other stuff. His daughter eventually inherited

699
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: or something and wound up in a safety pozza box

700
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: and eventually want it turned up. There was a big

701
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: custody battle between Karl Weiss's son and her over who

702
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: got to keep them in the pistol and which Carl

703
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: Weiss want Carl Weiss Jr. One so he got the gun.

704
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: But anyway, they but of course they analyzed the gun

705
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: and the bullet. There was a single fired slug found

706
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: with it alone with the six on fired cartridges, and

707
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: they tested the gun and then and then and then

708
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: the slug and they didn't match. So so who knows

709
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: where that where that fired bullet came from. It's it's

710
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: a puzzle, yeah yeah. Arthur Vidrine, surgeon, later said that

711
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: Long actually had two bullets in them in him, one

712
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: of which was the thirty eight, which is strange because

713
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: he didn't say anything about finding a bullet at the time.

714
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,959
Speaker 1: So there's a disagreement on this. Even if he found

715
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: a single bullet, obviously it eliminates over penetration, so he

716
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: would have had to have been shot twice. Yeah, him, right.

717
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: Isn't it possible, though, if let's run on the theory

718
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: that it's point blank, that Wise could have pulled the trigger.

719
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: If it's an automatic, it could have gotten two shots off.

720
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: If it's a point blank it's essentially going to be

721
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: one entry wound. If they're in rapid succession, one over

722
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: penetrates or goes through and the other one bounces around

723
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: and lodges somewhere. I mean, isn't that a possible scenario?

724
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: They're saying two shots but one bullet hole, one entry wound,

725
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: one entry wound, because that seems unlikely. But I guess

726
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: it's I mean, theoretically, if you walk up to a

727
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: guy and you jam it into his his gut and

728
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: you pull the trigger and it automatically fires two rounds

729
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: in a row, they're gonna be almost identical locations for entry.

730
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: Perfect theory. It is not. I get that, but I

731
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: know people are gonna say, well, but it could have

732
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: all come through one location. I guess technically, I don't know.

733
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: If I don't think an automatic handgun is the same.

734
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you think of it as

735
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: a It's not just gonna like fire multiple right, it's not.

736
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: But if you pull it fast enough, they damn near

737
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: to go off at the same time, if you can

738
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: get a quick squeeze onf that's true. Yeah, but he's

739
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: supposedly according to a one biography of hube Along, which

740
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 1: was pretty exhaustibly research, apparently he did get off two shots,

741
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: this guy claims, but one of the one of the

742
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: bullets hit one of hue Lung's bodyguard bodyguards in the wristwatch.

743
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: Apparently the wristwatch stopped the bullet, or at least slowed

744
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: it down. Yeah, and so since they found a pistol

745
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: magazine that went with the gun with six cartridges in

746
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: it and again only holds seven in the magazine. Assume

747
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: he had he didn't have one chambered as he had.

748
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: If he had one chamber, then he would then he

749
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: got off. Yeah, he got off two rounds, one of

750
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: which hit the guy in the wrist, the other one

751
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: which hit hit Huey Huey long m. Of course, I'm

752
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: not even convinced that the gun had eight rounds in

753
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: it and all, with all the bullets flying, is it's

754
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: it's entirely possible that the guy got hit in the

755
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: wrist by somebody else's bullet. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I would

756
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: not be at all surprised by that. So but at

757
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: the most, he got off two rounds, not a not

758
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: a lot really should have Well anyway, I'll talk about

759
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: that later. Another possibility is that Carl Carl Weiss did

760
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: shoot him, but just once and then the other bullet

761
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: hole in the back was courtesy of one of the

762
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: security guards. A lot of guards, so they weren't entirely

763
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: accurate like we've been presuming they were. So there were

764
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: there were two entry wounds and two bullets in him

765
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: which could have been causing some internal bleeding that they

766
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: didn't find necessarily after the first exploratory surgery. Yeah, yeah,

767
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: two entry wounds. You presume one of them has got

768
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: of the exit wounds, so you track between them to

769
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: try to find the bullet. That would make sense. Apparently

770
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: there actually is evidence that Wise didn't have the gun

771
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: on him. Uh. I got named Donald Pobby was the

772
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: nephew of Judge Pobby, which would make him I guess

773
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: Karl Weiss's cousin or something. Yeah, he wrote a book

774
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: about this, laying had his theory that the bodyguards did it,

775
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: and he said the gun was taken from Weiss's car

776
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: put at the murder scene after the shooting by the

777
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: state troopers and he he interviewed at what Tommy had Wise,

778
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: who was Karl Weiss's brother, who had gone down to

779
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: the legislature when you heard about the bruhaha going down

780
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: there and going on down there, and he saw Karl

781
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: Weiss's car park there. It was locked, and he looked

782
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: in the window and he saw that the gun was

783
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: in the love box. Apparently it was didn't have the

784
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: door shut or something, and that maybe glove boxes in

785
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: those days didn't have little doors. On him, some of

786
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: them didn't. Yeah, apparently, But apparently he was in the

787
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: habit of keeping it in a sock in his glove

788
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: box of his car. That's not uncommon. No, no, he

789
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: doesn't do that. Well, No, keeping a gun in the

790
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: sock is something that could do to keep him oiled. Yeah, absolutely,

791
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: keep from getting all scratched up. But apparently he went

792
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: back later to the to the car and the car

793
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: had been moved and apparently been broken into ranstaft and

794
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: the gun was missing. That could have been random, but

795
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: it could have been random too. But apparently all of

796
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: the theories are built on interviews and affidavits he got

797
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: from people who were either at the capitol or in

798
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: the hospital that night. So there was a nurse who

799
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: was in the operating room when Long was brought in,

800
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: and she said that the senator had a lacerated lip,

801
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: and she said that the doctor asked, what is that

802
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: on your lip? And Long answer, Oh, that's where he

803
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: hit me, which sort of buttresses the theory that Karl

804
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: Weisse hit him and didn't shoot him. Do we know

805
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: wise was I'm presuming right handed? I don't know, And well,

806
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: Long was shot in the left side. He was shot

807
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 1: in the right side, the right side, Yeah, which doesn't

808
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: necessarily make well, yeah, I know that kind of makes

809
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: sense when you think about from left to right. You know,

810
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: it's almost like shaking hands. You would hit somebody on

811
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: that Side's okay, I wonder do we on what side

812
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: of the face the this the abrasion was on his

813
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: lip or the Okay, there was not abrasition. It was

814
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 1: like it was it was split and right the split lip.

815
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: I mean, was it on his left or is right?

816
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: Because what I'm trying to figure out is was it

817
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: a matter of well, again I'm this is conjecture, but

818
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure it out. Is did Wise

819
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: walk up and take a swing at him and sock

820
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: him in the lip and then pull out a gun

821
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: to add insult to injury and shoot him in the gun?

822
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: Or okay, well if he was right handed and then

823
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: he hits him in the face and it ends up

824
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: on the left hand left half to his face, you

825
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: know either where I'm going here, Like I'm trying to

826
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: corroborate this in human factors, Yeah, I don't. I don't

827
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: think he would have had time. I mean, his body

828
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: bodyguards you right there, He wouldn't have had time to

829
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: punch him in the face and then pull a gun.

830
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: I agree with that. You're talking about punching him and

831
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: then while holding again on the other hand. Yes, oh,

832
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Yeah, so you've got you've

833
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: got the gun in one hand, you sock him and

834
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: shoot m Yeah, that's that's that's possible. But I know

835
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: it's also possible that he just biffed him in the

836
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: face and the bodyguards were angry and one of him

837
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 1: shot him. The guys that started blazing away too. Yeah,

838
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: and you know, shoot sixty one times ask questions later. Yeah,

839
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: I mean, and I know it's it's unheard of for

840
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: cops to shoot into some people multiple times and then

841
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: live about it later. Yeah. I think I think the

842
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: uh story, anecdotal evidence would suggest that he would have

843
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: just hit him in the face. Really, I mean more

844
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: than you know, that's a that's a punishment more befitting

845
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: the crime. I think a punch to face, not two

846
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: shots to the gut, yeah, not one or two shots

847
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: the guy. Yeah. So what other evidences is this this

848
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: poppy guy put out here? Uh? He has an affidavit

849
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: from a guy named Francis Grobenberg or Grepenberg, who was

850
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: superintended to stay police in nineteen fifties in Louisiana. He

851
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: told of a story when he was with four state troopers. Um,

852
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: he said, and he actually wrote about this in his

853
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 1: memoir because he wrote a book. He served and served

854
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: in World War two, and and you know, and and

855
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: then he spent a bunch of time battling crime syndicates

856
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: in Louisiana. So he wrote a memoir about this. And

857
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: so he repeated that. And there also he said that

858
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: these troopers have been we're talking about how Wise is

859
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: gonna have been taken from his car after the shooting.

860
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 1: And then he said, and uh, this is a quote

861
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: from his book. And then I made a mistake, Ravenburg said.

862
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: I said, it appears to me that all the actions

863
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: following the shooting were conspiracy to cover up the accidental

864
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: death those Senator Long and the killing of Dr Wise.

865
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: Continuous quote. After I made that unfortunate statements, the bodyguards

866
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: became very quiet. Um. So interesting story of true. Well,

867
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: although some some people that put out the theory that

868
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: those guys were just repeating a story that have been

869
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: circulated by anti Long politicians that his bodyguards have killed

870
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: him and gotten the book, so it's it's it's kind

871
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: of up in the air, so to speak. Yeah. Uh.

872
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: There was also one of the bodyguards was named Delmas

873
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: Sharp and his son, Delmas Sharp Jr. Uh said his

874
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: dad once talked about Long's death prior to a meeting

875
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: that to the two of them had with another bodyguard.

876
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: His name was Joe Messina, and after the meeting his

877
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 1: dad his dad said to him, well, that's Joe Messina,

878
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: the killer. Donald Povey look and the author of this

879
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: book said he also spoke to members of the Murphy

880
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: Roden family. Murphy Roden was one of the bodyguards also, Yeah,

881
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: a lot of bodyguards. Yeah, and uh, of course he's

882
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: long since passed on, but they said that they they understand.

883
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: Their understanding is that Roden accidentally shot Long. And he

884
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: also got some testimony from the son of a reporter

885
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: who was an eyewitness to the shooting apparently said the

886
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: same thing. So it looks like maybe a cover up.

887
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. So my verdict on this is that

888
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: Donald Pobby is probably right. At the time, as I've

889
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: already said this, Judge Pobby was really kind of nearing

890
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: retirement age anyway, Um, he could wasn't true a career

891
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: killer at that. I just want to talk nostalgically for

892
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: a second about the days at which sixty one was

893
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: retirement age. Oh yeah, I don't intend to ever retire

894
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: because there's not going to be no retirements. No, there ain't.

895
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, yeah, sixty one, I don't know

896
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: what's retirement age it was, yeah, yeah, but yeah, by

897
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: the time you retire, it's going to be about eighty probably. Yeah.

898
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: Generally in those in those in those days, you didn't

899
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: necessarily retire. You just worked till you died, which was

900
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: sixty which is well, the people who lived at those

901
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: old ages were the ones who worked until they died. Yeah. Yeah, so.

902
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: But the other the other reason I doubt this is

903
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: that obviously it would be suicidal to pull a gun

904
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: and shoot Huey Long when he surrounded by a bunch

905
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: of guys that are armed to the teeth. Yeahs does

906
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: seem a bit off. Yeah. He had a wife and

907
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: he had a very young infant son, you know, so

908
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: obviously had plenty to live for. It doesn't really make

909
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: sense when you think about, of course, again, if there

910
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: was a brain tumor or something like that evolved maybe

911
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: I guess something that altered his rational thinking. Yeah, but

912
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: they when they dug his body up, they didn't find

913
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: any evidence that. Of course, after all these years, who

914
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: knows how much it be left to look at um.

915
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: But the other thing I find kind of that kind

916
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: of kills it for me for him being a shooter,

917
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: is that he was shooting a semi automatic gun. And

918
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: if he had to drop on long and if you

919
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: really intended to kill him, why did he fire once

920
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: and possibly twice when he could have emptied the gun

921
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: into him in about about a second. And also why

922
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: did he aim in his gut? Yeah? But his head

923
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: or yes, I think, yeah, I think that he. Uh.

924
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: People overestimate the killing power of guns all the time,

925
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: but four feet isn't that far away. I mean, I mean,

926
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: it's a gun. You know you're aiming in the general direction.

927
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: It's going to hit in the general direction. Yes, okay, fine,

928
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: you're not aiming for the head, but at least like

929
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: the upper chest area, right, not the like I'm going

930
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: to shoot you in the stomach that'll kill you. You

931
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: tend to misjudge things like that. I mean, a handgun

932
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: is very very subjective to angle that it's been the

933
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: angle that it's being held at. But have you ever

934
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: goofing around, grabbed water pistol and scored at somebody and

935
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm gonna shoot him in the face and

936
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: then you shoot him in the knee. I'm a good shot.

937
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: Well this is not take your time draw and hold.

938
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: It's just like pull it up and start squeezing the trigger.

939
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: People do this. I mean, there's all kinds of videos

940
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: of people like I'm gonna totally just draw really fast

941
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna shoot that target. Instead they shoot the

942
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: ground two feet in front of him. But yeah, no,

943
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: I understand that that's fair. But I think Joe's point

944
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: is also fair, Like why wouldn't you just Joe said that, right,

945
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you empty? Yeah? Yeah, no, no, I there's

946
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: totally makes sense. There is, I mean there is. There

947
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: was some note in the in the files of the

948
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: Louisiana State Police that one of the bodyguards knocked the

949
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: gun down. It was originally pointed towards Long's chest and

950
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: he knocked it down and so he shot him in

951
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: the gut instead. Um, but I still, you know, I don't.

952
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: I still don't see why he didn't shoot him a

953
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: couple more times, you know, or if a bodyguard was

954
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: that close, why how sixty two bullets went into him? Well,

955
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: one of them went into the bodyguard who was right there,

956
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: into his watch. Yeah, could be that's where the watch shot.

957
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: Incredible and gender yeah, they you know, apparently hint this.

958
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: I think the bodyguard was Murphy Road. And if I'm not,

959
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: if I'm not, I'm not even correct. He managed to

960
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: wrestle wrestle him away from Long and shove him up

961
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: against the wall. And I guess at that point he

962
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: backed away from m enough so everybody else could open

963
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: fire on him. And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they aired

964
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 1: him out pretty good. And my only other theory would

965
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: be that maybe it was an assassination after all, and

966
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: and one or two of he was bodyguards shot him.

967
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: I Well, when I did the the reading into the

968
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: medical research that's been done on on this case, the

969
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: one thing that I've found that was really intriguing is

970
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: in your gut. You know, your your gut has cavities

971
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: inside of it. It's not as if all of your

972
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 1: organs and everything are pushed into one giant, solid mass

973
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: there peanuts and yeah, the styrofoam packing peanut. Yeah no,

974
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: but there's there's voids where there is not an organ,

975
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: and those voids, based on how you know where you

976
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: are in the lower regions of the abdomen, there can

977
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: be folds in it. One of the things that I

978
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: found is I cannot I wish I could, but I

979
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: cannot remember the name of the interior lining of the gut.

980
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: Not your stomach or your intestine, but just your interior

981
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: abdomen wall, the lining of that the parrot and thank you,

982
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: that's the word I knew. It started with a p Okay. Well,

983
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: it's possible that that can have folds on itself. And

984
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: some of this research said that when Long was shot,

985
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: he was actually shot through an area that had a fold.

986
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: And here's the easy way to think about it. Take

987
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: a piece of paper and fold it in half and

988
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: poke a hole in it. Unfolded, and you've got an

989
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: entry and an exit wound. Take a new piece of paper,

990
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: fold it in half and then folded on in half

991
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: again on itself, and then poke a hole through it

992
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: and unfolded, and now you've got four holes. So the

993
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: doctors may have seen what they considered the entry and

994
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 1: the exit wound, so they dealt with those, But these

995
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: other two holes are not in necessarily gonna be where

996
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: they're looking, and so those are perforations, which would then

997
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: cause blood loss, which would balls internal bleeding. Yeah, so

998
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: that's completely plausible because I mean it's not a straight

999
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 1: line inside yet, it's not a solid surface. Obviously they're

1000
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: either they're they missed something something that was bleeding. They

1001
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: missed it big, or maybe they're repaired to the intestine.

1002
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: It's just just didn't quite hold. I don't know. And

1003
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: also that's that's completely a normal to stitch up intestines,

1004
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: and intestines are like tissue paper. Yeah, they're not strong

1005
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: for all the crap that they hold pun intended, they're

1006
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: not all that strong. Yeah. That probably can't use suture.

1007
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: You're probably gotta use duct tape on them, I think, yeah, yeah,

1008
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: I think they do. Actually, yeah. Yeah. The the other

1009
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: thing about about the surgery, I forgot to mention this

1010
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: at the time, but apparently, you know, as as always

1011
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: when you get shot in the colon, a certain amount

1012
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: of fecal matter gets you know, spread around the inside. Yet, right,

1013
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: and apparently there's not much of that's that they actually

1014
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: irrigated and then which would have caused affection, easily causes

1015
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: an affection. Yeah, so yeah, it's medical care is probably

1016
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: not the most competent. But yeah, but also I don't

1017
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: I don't know that White shot him. Yeah, I was

1018
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: gonna say the medical care may not have been perfect,

1019
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: but if you have twenty crazy haired bodyguards and he

1020
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: was breathing down your neck, what you do? Yeah, when

1021
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: was the last time you had somebody sitting at your

1022
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: desk while you were working and you kept screwing up

1023
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: because somebody was watching you. I mean, think about that

1024
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: when you now have a scalpel in suitures and somebody's

1025
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: life is in your hands, and you're not a very

1026
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: good doctor to begin with. Yeah, Dr Vdrine was like,

1027
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to call him incompetent, but I don't

1028
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: think he was really qualified for this kind of surgery. No,

1029
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: he I don't think he'd ever done this kind of

1030
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: surgery being I don't think he had any gunshot. I

1031
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: don't think he ever did. Again, Yeah, with the reason,

1032
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: I agree, So so, yeah, just unfortunate for old Hughie.

1033
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: But you know, I think he was and I really,

1034
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: it is possible that maybe some anti Long guys had

1035
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: gotten a mole into his his balance of bodyguards, and

1036
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: the guy was just waiting for the opportunity when, you know,

1037
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: some some big hassle came up, something came up, were

1038
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: gave an opportunity to go and shoot Hue a few times.

1039
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what happened. Now Joe is making filler. Yeah,

1040
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: pretty much. Yeah, I think we're done here. I think

1041
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: might be kind of done. You guys want to take

1042
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 1: a vote. What do you think I think Hue Long died? Yeah?

1043
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: Do you think he died of an accidental shooting or

1044
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 1: do you think he was assassinated by Karl Weiss? Both? Really,

1045
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what that beats. I think it was

1046
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: an accidental shooting by his bodyguard. It was I think

1047
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: his bodyguard did it, not not waste, Yeah, that's kind

1048
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: of what I think. I don't know if it was

1049
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: or not, but the split lip kind of indicates it.

1050
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: Weiss sucked him in the mouth, yeah, for being a

1051
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: jerk to him. Yeah. Yeah, and then the guards went

1052
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: nuts and shot him, you know. And so that's kind

1053
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: of what I'm thinking. Too, too bad for Wise and yeah,

1054
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: and his wife and his kid, and his and his family,

1055
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: his family than anybody. Yeah. Yeah, terrible thing. And obviously

1056
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: obviously his son Karl Weiss and other other family members

1057
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: and relatives are still trying to clear his name. It's

1058
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: hard to say it that. I think more people are

1059
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: convinced that Weiss was innocent than not personally, but the

1060
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: official line is that Weis did it. So yeah, that's

1061
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: that's really hard to change. It is really hard to

1062
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: change without without the smoking bullet, you're you're smoking gun? Yeah,

1063
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: I think so too, But I after all the reading

1064
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: I've done on this, I'm pretty certain that Weiss did

1065
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: not shoot. Yeah, he'd be long anyway. That's about it. Um,

1066
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: do you guys have any more thoughts on this? So

1067
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: and another successfully solved mystery? Yeah, yeah, yeah, hey yeah.

1068
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: So you probably want to know more about us, so

1069
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: you can check us out at our website Thinking Sideways

1070
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: podcast dot com, where you can leave comments check links.

1071
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: You can also listen to episod it's from there if

1072
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: you're probably more likely getting us from iTunes, So if

1073
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: you are and d doing that, if you haven't done

1074
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: this already, please subscribe and give us a review. Preferably

1075
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: a good review. We like those a lot better. I

1076
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: started streaming us. You can stream us from god knows

1077
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: how many websites these days, right, yeah, the stop counting. Yeah, yeah,

1078
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: we're on Facebook. Where what are we? We're thinking Sideways

1079
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: podcast on Facebook? Right, just thinking side search thinking Sideways

1080
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: podcast on Facebook. You'll find the page and the group.

1081
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't forget the group. The group is

1082
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: insane right now, super super busy, big on that sober

1083
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: over the story that we released this week, which it's great. Yeah,

1084
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 1: we like that. There's a lot of awesome discussion. Yeah,

1085
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: I really I love the group because we don't really

1086
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: have to do so much. Sometimes we can just watch

1087
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: all this stuff happen and then just go and make

1088
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: a comment and then just watch everybody just it's like

1089
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: we're not even there. It's it's fantastically how much work

1090
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: these people do, how into it they are. Yeah, I know,

1091
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: And pretty soon they're gonna be having, like a few

1092
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: more years ago, all these people are gonna get together

1093
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: and they're gonna start having conventions and stuff'll be like

1094
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: comic Con. Yeah, yeah, they'll they'll be selling you know,

1095
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: my scalp, the version of my bald head. Yeah, a

1096
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: little bit of foes on it. Yeah yeah, yeah uh,

1097
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: and there will be action figures. Speaking of selling stuff,

1098
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: the website also has the merchandise on there. I forgot

1099
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, there's a little picture now that says

1100
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: merchandise little links you can go out and buy merchant

1101
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: Zazzle correct, yes, yeah, what else have you got? Twitter?

1102
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: We are on Twitter. We are Thinking Sideways. That's without

1103
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: the g and uh. Last of all, if you want

1104
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: to set us an email, then you can send us

1105
00:59:55,560 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: one at Thinking Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. And

1106
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: that's about it for all the information. Um and he

1107
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: last thoughts you guys, h alright, no, yeah, I know.

1108
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: So we've been just as a heads up, we've been

1109
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: talking a lot about death and murder lately, so we're

1110
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: gonna change it up a little bit probably and talk

1111
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: about I don't know what, the tooth fairy probably yeah,

1112
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: something salamanders. Yeah, I've seen some really cool salamanders this week,

1113
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: so we're talking about salamanders. Yeah. Cool, that works for me. Cool. Alright, Well,

1114
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: so that's it for this week. So long, everybody see

1115
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: you in a week. We'll talk to you next week. Guys,

1116
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: Hi guys,