WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: The End is Near 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.320 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:05.960 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:14.040 Cowboys Let's go. 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.160 Are you ready for a break? Yes? 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:21.319 Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? Ready for a break? Yeah, 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:23.239 and so much for that. 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:27.600 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:35.280 with mbar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Nick Harris, and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:41.240 It is Thursday, January second, twenty twenty five. Welcome to 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.239 the latest edition of The Break. 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We've got to talk about Zeke and 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.320 what seemed to me to be somewhat of a surprise 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.520 move that the Cowboys made, But we'll talk about that. 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:22.720 We'll talk about the Pro Bowl selections. Cowboys got a 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:25.560 few guys into the Pro Bowl, if you guys are 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:27.600 surprised by any other people that were in or that 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.880 are not in. And then we'll get into the Washington offense. 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:32.400 Brian have a breakdown. 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.040 I'm sure Nick's got some thoughts on this team and 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.320 their offense. Tomorrow we'll talk a little bit more about 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:39.440 the defense as we get you guys ready. 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:42.200 For the game. So let's start with Zeke. 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.800 We find out I think it was yesterday, all these 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:47.280 days of all run together, was yesterday, two days ago, 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:48.720 find out the. 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:50.840 Cowboys were releasing him. 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:54.880 And my question, which I think most people know, but 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:56.120 I think it's worth the conversation. 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:56.760 Why now? 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:01.560 Yeah, for Ezekiel Elliott, he sees an opportunity to potentially 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:05.320 join a playoff team and he went to the organization saying, hey, 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.640 can I be released so I can be afforded that 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:10.240 opportunity in case it in case it arises, and uh, 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:14.400 the organization chose to let that happen, not that he 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:16.239 had been playing much in the last few weeks anyway, 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:21.600 So they released seek one on Tuesday. He cleared waivers yesterday, 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:23.320 and now he's free to sign with any team going 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:25.120 into the playoffs. I you know, I was trying to 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:26.600 think of teams that might be. 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:28.320 Needing a running back in the playoffs. 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.320 I can't really think of any I mean, you could 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.040 look at the Chargers and Detroit was my one thought. 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.520 If David Montgomery is not as healthy as maybe they 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:38.799 anticipate going into the playoffs, and that's maybe their short 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:40.960 yardage guy that they could bring in and you know, 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:44.200 mix in. But you know, how confident would another team 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.600 be based on, you know, the opportunities that he had 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.680 this year, the reports about him missing meetings and getting 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.519 left in uh left in Dallas during the Atlanta game. 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:54.519 I wonder how much that would factor. 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.440 In if if he had an opportunity that became serious. 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:02.679 But nevertheless, the return for Ezekiel Elliott overall, I think 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:04.480 it's it's fair to say that it was it was 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.760 a failure. It was it didn't quite work out in 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:09.800 the end. In the beginning, it looked great, you know, 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.040 we'd come out of that Cleveland game. He had forty 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.000 nine total yards in that game he had the hurdle 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.200 on the first play of from scrimmage. Everyone was like, okay, 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.240 he might have a little juice, and then that would 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:20.880 end up being not only the most yards he would 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:22.359 account for the rest of the season, but the most 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.240 touches he would get the rest of the season. And 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:26.840 it just kind of went downhill from there, the running 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.000 back by committee approach. I wonder how much that factored 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.079 into him not being able to find his rhythm. I 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:32.680 think there's a lot of things you look at, but 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.400 in all, the number fifteen version of Ezekiel Elliott did 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:37.040 not work out here. 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:39.240 Now, this is the first NFL version of the transfer 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:40.120 portal we've heard of. 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.760 Well, Dalwin Cook last year, are you talking about like 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:45.040 getting released right before the playoffs? 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:45.280 Yeah? 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:46.640 Yeah, Dalwin Cook last year? 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:48.680 Or like, you know, there's a side of me that like, 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:50.920 I think that maybe we got some back channeling going 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.160 on here. Do you think somebody came in with the 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:54.960 Rocky Arsenal and. 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:56.880 That you know, hey, if he was available, now the 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:57.440 guy's gone. 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.520 I could say this right, Yeah, okay, so maybe some 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.160 back channeling, like some say, hey, if you could get 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.560 them released, you maybe might take a look at him, 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.080 that kind of thing, clear waivers, that kind of thing. 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.160 I think there's a couple of things that are going 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.200 on here too. I think that maybe and this is 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:15.600 this is this is the conspiracy theories of me right now, 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.880 probably irresponsible. I kind of feel like that maybe that 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:21.920 that they were talking about that they were going to 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:23.680 play deuce on in this game, and maybe he was 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.600 going to be inactive. And you remember what happened when 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:28.800 they talked about him being inactive in the Atlanta week, 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.240 everything kind of went to hell. You know, He's like, 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.120 you know, oh well hey, you know, and then it 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.600 all came out about the miss meetings and things like that. 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:37.720 You know, all of a sudden, when he's not going 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.120 to be active, I don't want to be here anymore. 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.479 You know, go ahead and release me. It's all nice 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.480 and tidy and get on with a playoff team and 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.200 all that. You know, great, But I I if there 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.640 was some back channeling going on. You don't ask for 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:52.760 your releases late in the year unless you got something 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:54.640 going my opinion, Yeah, you know. 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.840 That's still as a game check you're missing, Yeah, exactly. 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.560 So there's you know, maybe the Cowboys can find out 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:02.719 there was some tampering going on here. Again, I'm not 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.760 it's Brian Broadest one O five three the fan, not 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:11.360 the Dallas Cowboys, not it's my opinion. Sorry, okay, But yeah, 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.080 so that you know, maybe some back channeling going on, 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.200 we'll see. But maybe also too that they got to 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.360 the point where they were going to play they wanted 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.360 to see Deuce Fawn play, or they wanted to see 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.320 somebody else play, and Zeke Leveltt wasn't going to be 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.960 active this game. Yeah. Well, I'm just saying though, it 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.359 could be a situation where they did not want to 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.440 go through what they went through Atlanta week and they're 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.440 saying let's just move on. But it sounds really nice 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.960 and tidy that we'll get them an opportunity to get 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:40.280 on with a playoff team. You know. 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.960 You know one thing that that I just jumps out 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:44.719 to me is that I think this year we've seen 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.800 a resurgence of running backs around the NFL who were 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:48.800 guys that you. 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:50.080 Take care of themself in the set. 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.240 But yeah, in the second third contracts and they are 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:56.719 producing really well for teams this year. Do you think 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:00.880 that Zeke here, do you think that his lack of 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.160 production here was about other things, whether it was the 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.400 offensive line, whether it was the opportune Do you think 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:07.960 there were other things that were factored in or do 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.800 you think it's just he just doesn't have what he 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:11.320 once had. 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:13.599 There were go ahead, no, no really played. 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.679 There were there were multiple factors that I think played 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:19.520 into Zeke not being nearly as effective as even anyone 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:22.040 anticipated coming into the year. But I think it starts 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.279 with him off the field. It starts with what happened 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.920 off the field, him missing meetings, him losing support in 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.880 the locker room. I mean it starts there, and then 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.599 that stuff fizzles into when he actually does show up 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:35.640 to the meetings, when he actually does get onto the field. 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:38.440 I mean, you look at that forty nine Ers game 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:42.920 and when Rico Daddle was ruled out for the illness 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.640 really late in Ezekiel Elliott starts in that game. 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:48.680 He didn't look comfortable the entire game. 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:50.320 I mean, you had Dalvin Cook getting worked in with 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:53.240 carries as well, But when Zeke had an opportunity, it 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:55.920 didn't work out because, in my opinion of what had 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:57.599 already been established off the field. 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.760 No, I think you're absolutely right about that. I mean 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:04.760 the guys you're talking about. They they you know, we 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.720 got to you know, Derrick Henry. They they give him 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:09.840 the award after a game the other day, like the 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:13.680 red Velvet cake, and he's like not interested. Thanks. There's 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.480 a guy that's kind of conscious of what he puts 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.720 in his body, you know what. You know, probably asleep, 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:19.760 probably spends a lot of money to take care of 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.000 himself so he can play at a very very high level. 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:24.960 Zeke reminds me of me when I was age. I 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.920 had a great time in life. I absolutely had a 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.080 great time in life, you know, and a lot of 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.160 crazy things happened in my life at that time when 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.400 I was his age, So I understand it. I got 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:35.040 some Zeke in me. 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.040 Was that a church in New York with Bill Parcells? 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:41.760 No, No, that was a different trip. But but no, 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.560 but I'm serious. There's you know, guys have fun in life. 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:46.560 He had a lot of fun, you know, and I 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:48.280 think that finally caught up to him in a lot 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:51.960 of ways. And and so to me, uh, you know, 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.840 I I'm I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised that it 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:59.400 didn't work out. I would be really interested if we 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.200 could do this, If Mike McCarthy, if you could get 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.360 Mike McCarthy on the on the side and asked Mike 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:08.280 McCarthy this question, did you really want Ezekiel Elliott here? 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.320 I wonder what Mike McCarthy would say, And maybe you 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.280 have to get Mike McCarthy when if he's no longer here, 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:16.000 you get him off at the side at the combine 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:18.480 or something like that and ask him that question. But 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:20.880 I really really wondered if this was a front office 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.560 driven thing, and then you know, and Mike was forced to, 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.360 you know, the San Francisco game, Okay, we're gonna we're 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.400 gonna load Zeke up here. You know, we're gonna. I'm 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.560 gonna show you, you know what that's all about. So 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.560 I think from the jump, just my opinion again that 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:38.960 maybe there was a divide between the front office and 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:42.280 the coaching staff on really what they what the vision was, 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:44.520 or what they wanted to do with Ezekiel Elliott, and 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:48.920 it never, for the entire season, never became anything of 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:50.360 any any substance. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.360 I think right now, in my opinion, it would be very, 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:59.440 very difficult to really evaluate Zeke's position at the moment 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:01.600 and whether or not he would have been good and 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.560 productive for these offense, even though he did get some 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.720 chances at the beginning of the season, we saw what 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.040 the running game was there. It didn't matter who was 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.439 touching the ball and who was running. It just wasn't 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.719 working with what the offensive line was doing for you. 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:20.079 So right now, I do think if given the opportunity 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.600 in a better situation somewhere else, I can see him 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.440 being productive, still be productive. I think he needs a 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.560 change of scenery for sure, because you can take you 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:35.160 can see how off the field he wasn't the same 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:39.840 zek like he He wasn't the same goofy, happy guy 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.840 walking around. He didn't seem happy being here. And when 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:47.160 you hear about missing meetings and things like that, it's 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.880 very unlikely. It's it's not like. 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:53.440 Zeke, like the Zeke we used to know that was here. 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:56.240 And we saw even though he had that moment, his 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.600 crazy little moments here and there at the beginning of 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:02.240 his career, bring it up really quick. And he was 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.840 a leader in there, in the locker room. He always 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.320 stood in front of the media and always talked, and 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.160 he took care of business. He was practicing and did 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:14.439 what he needed to do. So whatever the reason may be. 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:16.160 And I saw it a training camp. 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:19.959 When he got there, he was putting in the work 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.840 and he was like focused and kind of a tunnel vision. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:27.040 But it didn't pan out for him here. So I 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:31.080 hope that he can find that happiness again, because you 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.000 see it in a player. You see when someone has 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.240 success and then all of a sudden they're not having 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.800 that kind of same success or attention, And not that 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.720 he's looking for the attention like that like in front 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:42.800 of us or anything like that, or anything like that. 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:44.840 I don't know how to describe it, but you see 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:49.360 when someone's demeanor just changes. So hopefully he is able 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.240 to find another team and just have a little a 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.920 second chance, another a third chance, let's say, because this 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.920 would be what he was here in Dallas, went to 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.400 New England and then came back. So what would that be. 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:03.079 Fourth chance? 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:04.000 I don't know. 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.720 I still wish him good luck and well because we 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:09.720 know he deep down is a good guy. 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.040 Let me ask you this, This is a bigger picture question 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.320 based on what he's done here, because I think there 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:17.520 was a time I think people sat quickly forget how 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.920 good he was in twenty sixteen, and then those subsequent years, 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:22.160 he was really really bad. 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.760 Yeah, that all being said, do you think Zeke Kelly 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.040 is a Ring of Honor caliber player? 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.000 I had this conversation with someone a couple of days ago. 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.560 The thing is if you if you get him in, 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:37.920 it opens up a really much larger situation or conversation 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.160 about a lot of other players around him, because if 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.800 you put in Zeke, then you're putting in Dak, who 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:44.760 you know may or may not be worthy of that 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:46.520 by the end. And if you're putting in Dak, you're 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:48.679 putting in Romo, and you're putting in Romo, you're putting 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.160 in does put if you put in it's just it's 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:52.360 kind of a domino effect from there. 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.839 But if we're talking about Zeke in a vacuum, I 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.040 don't know. That's tough, it's hard. 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:59.600 I think he's one of those guys that you look 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:01.520 at his reduction and when he was good man, he 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:05.080 was really really, really good, but the longevity just wasn't there. 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.360 Dorset is in right, Yeah he is. Yeah, yeah, Well. 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.600 How many years do you need? How many? 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.400 I don't know, I don't know. I don't know that 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.640 there is a certain number. Because Charles Haley didn't. Yeah, 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:19.079 he didn't have a large body of work here. Now 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.640 you look at his overall career between here in San Francisco, 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:25.320 he obviously had a pretty decently long career, but he 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:26.920 didn't have a long time here in Dallas. 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:28.480 But then you look at somebody like Dion. 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.800 Dion I think had more years here than Charles Haley 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.200 did I think in the ring is he No, he's not. 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.720 I want to say, Dion's like five years here, six 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:38.240 years here, Brian, you remember. 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:42.520 Oh look, but I don't know what I had for breakfast. 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.000 The whole point I'm making. The whole point I'm making. 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.080 I think he is a really, really tough one because 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:50.880 at the height he was as good as anybody that's 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:56.480 done it here absent obviously EMMTT Smith and probably Dorset. Uh, 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.240 but you know, other than that, Like, I just think 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:03.080 he had a really great couple three four years and 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:04.920 then it just kind of went away, And I just 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:06.360 wanted that's enough to get him in. 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.120 And we're talking an offensive rookie of the Year knocking 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.200 on the door of MVP a couple of seasons, two 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:15.800 time rushing leader. That's tough to do. I don't know 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.200 that'll be an interesting conversation one day. If it were me, 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:18.840 i'd put him in. 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:19.760 Yeah, that's just me. 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:21.240 I don't think he's Hall of Fame, but I think 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:22.480 ring Van and he has a case. 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:25.600 There's the fifteen on there too, like like Kobe gets 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:26.920 the twenty four in the eight Yeah. 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:34.640 Eh. The question, the question that I would ask is, 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:37.480 I don't know if he was as good as Calvin 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.200 Hill was. And I'm old enough to watch Calvin Hill. 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:42.319 I never watched Calvin Hill, but yet knew of him, 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:43.040 but I didn't. 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.199 Watch Calvin Hill was a big part of some championship 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:49.320 teams here, and so you know, you think about of 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.120 course you're gonna think about Emmitt Smith, you're gonna think 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:55.000 about Tony dor set. I personally me, I don't think 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.160 DeMarco Murray gets nearly enough credit for being a good 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.120 back here, you know. And so you know, am I 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:05.000 saying that Ziekh's better as you look at DeMarco Murray? Sure? 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:10.600 But I mean I Calvin Hill to me was just 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.360 as just as when you go back in the seventies 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.000 and watch him play, and you know, they played a 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.600 shorter schedule, not a lot of teams, but every time 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.920 the Dallas Cowboys needed a big game. Calvin Hill delivered, 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.680 you know, And and so that's kind of where I'm 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.400 I'm at. I think the I think the backs from 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:34.200 the previous era, you know, the seventies, the eighties and 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:37.680 then into the nineties, I think those backs are pretty special. 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:41.000 But you guys did a special on Mariam Barber. He 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.680 guys did a specially. You know, we've you've seen some 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.960 really quality backs go through here. Zeke, you know, he's 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.040 kind of probably the head of that group. But I 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:51.840 don't know if I could put him ahead of Calvin 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.560 Hill in my in my mind, and I'm the oldest 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.600 one here and saw Calvin Hill play, so I can 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:57.120 say that. 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:00.720 Yep, that's fair. And I do think they'll obviously that. 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.600 The interesting part is there's only one person, Jerry, that 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:05.560 decides the Ring of honor. 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.200 One person, Jerry, Yeah, right, yeah, And. 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.360 We know he's very fond of him as a person, 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:12.160 and uh, and I don't know if that colors the 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.720 decision or not. I have no idea when Jerry knows that, 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.440 but but we know he's very fond of of of 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:17.840 a Zeke. 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:18.360 So we'll see that. 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:24.120 I mean, we saw Jerry's statement that came out. But 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:28.200 do you think, given what has happened behind the scenes, 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.680 behind the curtains in this couple of months that Zeke 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:36.680 has been here, do you think the relationship has changed 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:38.440 or been damaged a little. 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.240 Bit or But I know of Jerry, I doubt that. 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:42.520 Not with the front office. Maybe with the coaches. 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:44.560 You can't hear any worse than some of those guys 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.320 that are in the Ring of Honor. And that's that's 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.920 not to discredit anybody that is in the ring. I'm 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:50.840 just there's there's been off the field issues with a 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:52.360 couple of those guys as well, and I don't think 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:53.880 a couple of them weren't about as zekes. 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.200 My thing is like, you just look at Jerry and 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.840 you look at his players. I think Jerry's very, very, 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:03.320 very loyal and those players that are his guys, they're 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.320 going to forever be his guys. I don't care what 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.880 happens because you look at somebody like dez Dez has 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:09.440 a lot of problems with a lot of people that 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.200 came through this building while he was here. You asked 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.800 you open the question about what he thinks about Jerry Jones, 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.560 and it is like he just loves the man, and 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:19.960 it's vice versas Jerry just loves him. 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:21.600 And it was some of those same. 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.920 Things that we've kind of been hearing about, you know, 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:25.720 the mis meetings all that. That was some of the 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.880 same stuff that was happening with Daz back in the day. 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.680 But the relationship is there between he and Jerry. It 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:32.400 might not be there with anybody else in this building, 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.400 but within him and Jerry, that relationship is there. So 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:37.360 I just I feel like Jerry just he keeps the 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:39.800 relationship with his guys and it just, for whatever reason, 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.080 it stays regardless of what the player goes through. You know, 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:44.760 there are a lot of guys around here who have 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:46.840 had careers and have had a lot of problems off 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.160 the field. Some of those guys are still working in 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.760 this building because Jerry just has loyalty for them, you know. 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:53.560 I just you know, if you I think if I 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:55.640 got this right, if you go in the stadium, you 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.680 have the pre nineteen eighty ninees on one side of 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.080 the stadium and the post nineteen eighty nine's on the 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:06.440 other side of the state. So yeah, there's a there's 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.960 a distinguishing line there that you know, that that you 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.639 can say, okay, well and then okay, you got guys that, 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:17.760 like you say, the Romos, the Does Bryants, the Jason Witten's. 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.080 I mean, there's there's Jerry them. Done a nice job 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.359 getting players to come through here, just hasn't turned into 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.960 the championships that you've seen on that opposite side of 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.520 the stadium. You know, you get eight men and Emmin 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.480 and Michael of course, but you know everybody else that 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.879 goes in now with that group on that on that side, 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.680 that's not going to be a super Bowl likely super 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.800 Bowl winning player that goes up in there. And and 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.560 now it turns into Nick is now watchdogging. You know, 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:48.520 when he goes to a stadium, he goes look at 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.880 these ring of honor dudes, Arizona is still. 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.399 Yeah there loves doing that. He loves every time we 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:58.080 look at. 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:03.880 Who's fright Tripuka here? Who's what did he do? So yeah, 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.639 you start watchdog and the other team spree of honor 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.879