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Are 19 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: you ever surprised how much you're discussed in the NFL? Honestly, 20 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: I'm not really aware usually, which is for me, a 21 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: great way to live, a great way to be. I 22 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: usually find out about things that are going on because 23 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: people will reach out and say, hey, you're doing okay, 24 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: or hey such as I said this or this, and 25 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, I really didn't want to know that. But yeah, 26 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of makes me laugh. Kind of is what 27 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: it is. You know. I think I do it the 28 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: best I can in every situation that is put in 29 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: front of me and trying to make the most of 30 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: it and enjoy the time. But yeah, it's it kind 31 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: of makes me laugh a little bit sometimes the things 32 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: that I hear and the things people send me, Well, 33 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting because a lot of criticism. I 34 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: get criticism. We're public figures. I don't care. The only 35 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: stuff that would bother me would be personal stuff, right, 36 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: And sometimes I think people have been too personal with you, 37 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: and I've said that I've defended you a lot in 38 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:19,839 Speaker 1: the air where I'm like, I don't know, a big 39 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: strong athletic I like him, but you know, like when 40 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: Jim Mursay says, hey, we made a mistake, I'm like, 41 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: ow wow, that's kind of person like that hurts a little, right, 42 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it is what it is. You know, everyone's 43 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: entitled their own opinion. You know, I thought last year 44 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: was a was a really fun year. Um. You know, 45 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: I thought we did some incredible things. Came up short 46 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: at the end. Obviously I struggled down the stretch there 47 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: and timing was poor. But yeah, that I didn't expect that. 48 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: I didn't expect that things unfold the way they did. 49 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: And you know, I thought things were in a pretty 50 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: good place there, had awesome relationships with every single person 51 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: in that building. Can't say enough good things about the 52 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: people over there. And yeah, kind of came out of 53 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: left field. You know, he's he's entitled to his own opinion, 54 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 1: and you know he's entitled to do what he wants 55 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: or his football team. You know, the NFL is tough, 56 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: as you know, you played for a dominant college program, 57 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: and in college you line up a lot of times 58 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: if you're a top program, and you know on Saturday, 59 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: like you'd have to release screw up. In the NFL, 60 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: the Jet, the Jets beat the Colts, or the Jus 61 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: the Jets beat the Titans, who are the number one 62 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: seed in the AFC. Like, people don't want to talk 63 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: about that but they want to talk about the Jags 64 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: beating the Colts, but the Jets for and if you 65 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: watch that game, you're like, what is going on here? 66 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: So did you think at one point it's by the 67 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: way the Colts have struggled with the Jagson Jackson Bill 68 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: for the last half decade. When people freaked out, Carson 69 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: was a party, you thinking, Hey, time out, you can google, 70 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: you can google how we've done down here. You're like, 71 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: I'm not the only guy that's right. Um, Yeah, I mean, honestly, 72 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: it was just a real tough ending, you know, honestly, 73 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: and then once rumors and reports are going around, I'm like, 74 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: you know, talking to my agent under these things, real, 75 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: what's going on? Like, honestly, it was kind of came 76 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: out of left field. Um, and you know, you kind 77 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: of just trying not to think too much of it. 78 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: You know, rumors and reports are a big part of 79 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: this business for in so you never know what's true 80 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: and what's not, so try to not stress about it 81 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: too much. But yeah, it was. It was a very 82 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: unfortunate ending to the season. Um, you know, not a 83 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: good time to um to play poorly the way the 84 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: way I did. And as a team we struggled, but um, yeah, 85 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: that's what's crazy about the league is, as you just said, 86 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: anybody can beat anybody anytime you step on that field. 87 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: And I mean we had our work cut out for 88 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: us the first time we played the Jags at home. 89 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: You know we we you know, squeaked it out in 90 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: the end. And it's always a good team. That was 91 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: a good defense last year and they made our lives 92 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: tough and uh they got us on that day. Person, 93 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: I've said this before about your style, but you remind 94 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: me of a more talented Sam Darnold in that you're 95 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: a physical player and so and you're a risk taker 96 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: and I like my quarterbacks to take risks. And I've 97 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: said you can coach players in and out of a lot. 98 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: But if a guy is a risk taker and at 99 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: sometimes you know, risk taking reckless are really close. You 100 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: know they say love and hate or in the same envelope, right, 101 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I look at you and I 102 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: think this is who he is. So if you're not 103 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: comfortable with his risks, then don't acquire him. Like when 104 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: you're making plays, do you have a off switch, like okay, okay, 105 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: turn the governor down? Here, this isn't gonna work, or 106 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: are you just like you just in the moment, you're 107 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: gonna do what you're gonna do and at your style. Yeah, 108 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: I mean it's a fine line, you know, It's one 109 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: I've I've wrestled with since the moment I walked into 110 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: that door in Philly. You know, I'll shoot, that's how 111 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: I played in college. It's you know, I try not 112 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: to get in my head or overthink things, so I 113 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: just you know, with what I see, whatever's there, I 114 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: let a rip, I pull the trigger. You know, there's time, 115 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,239 Speaker 1: Like plenty of times I come in and watch film, 116 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: either that night or Monday morning, I'm like, shoot, that 117 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: was dumb, and you get away with it. You get 118 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: away with it plenty, you know, And you try and 119 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: just you know, with the positives outweigh the negatives, and 120 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: hopefully you look up at the end of the day 121 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: and say, you know, there's some big plays to be 122 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: made here, so you never want to miss those. You 123 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: never want to miss the ability to extend to play 124 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: and find a guy open downfield. It really changed the 125 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: momentum of a game. But at the same time, you 126 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: gotta be smart, you gotta be smart and try and 127 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: limit those mistakes. And I think you know I've I've 128 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: gone up and down in my six year career on 129 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: that front, and I got to continue to learn, Okay, 130 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: when to say die, when to eat it, and when 131 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: those plays are there to be made to be aggressive. Well, 132 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: it's funny because when Jim Orsay freaked out and that 133 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: engineered all of it. Listen, everybody else in this league 134 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: flips burgers, as a GM once told me, the owners 135 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: make all the decisions. Right. You had twenty seventy seven 136 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: picks through from four thousand yards thirty yards and had 137 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: a ninety five quarterback ready. That is a borderline Pro Bowls. 138 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: So then you know the fit hits the Shannon, Indianapolis 139 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: and everybody's going crazy. So there's three kind of quarterbacks 140 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: in the NFL franchise, backups and bridges. And Troy Aikman 141 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: said something, and I thought it was fair, I said. 142 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: Troy said the other day he said, I think this 143 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: is his last shot to be in the franchise. He's 144 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: got the size, the arm of the talent. Do you 145 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: view it as like, hey man, this is it, Like 146 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: I gotta get it done. I can't go to bridge. 147 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not a backed up. Do you feel 148 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: like this is it? Yeah? I mean I understand it 149 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: from the outside world, you know, and I understand it 150 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: from from everyone's perspective that they can call it that, 151 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: call it that, but for me, it's you know, I 152 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: try to not put that much pressure on myself. You know, 153 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: I'm extremely confident in what I can do and what 154 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: I can bring to a team and how I can 155 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: help elevate those around me. And so call it what 156 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: you want, call me what you want. At the end 157 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: of the day, I don't really care. I'm gonna go 158 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: out and hopefully hopefully play well and get my team 159 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: in a position to win and win a lot of games. 160 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: You have, I think one of the better receivers in 161 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: the league, Terry McLaurin. And um, I watched him at 162 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: college at Ohio State. He's one of those guys that's 163 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: almost a better pro than a college receiver. Have you 164 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: worked with him? Talk with him? What do you know 165 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: about him? Yeah, talk to him quite a bit. Um. 166 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: You know, been around him already into facility a handful 167 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: of times and worked with him. Great dude, you know, 168 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody in that in that facility just arrays 169 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: about who he is as a guy and how he 170 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: prepares and his work ethic and all of those things, 171 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: and kind of leadership that he that he brings to 172 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: that kind of young receiving room. But he can play. 173 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: He can play. And I remember his rookie year when 174 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: we came here. Um, I think he took like a 175 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: slant and win like eighty on us and I was 176 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: on the other sideline. I think after the game, I said, boy, 177 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: I'd love to throw you the ball. 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I told the staff today, I said, why 216 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like Mike Vrabel's been coaching for twenty years? 217 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: Like I can't remember the coaching with the Titans before you. 218 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: And it's into because you know the Ohio State and 219 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: then you were an assistant and you know you're you're 220 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: you're one of these guys that is a very um 221 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: young older guy. You've been in the public consciousness forever, 222 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: so you've only been there from twenty eighteen. If I 223 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: said twenty five years, you know a National Football League 224 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: and patrol house twenty five years, I think that's where 225 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: I get my mind goes. If I said today you 226 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: coach against rookie head coach Mike Frabel, where would today's 227 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: coach work you on your first day coaching as a 228 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: head coach in the league. Where have you really made 229 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: a jump in your opinion? I think this the comfort 230 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: level of knowing that there's going to be so much 231 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: uncertainty and you're not going to be able to control 232 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: everything and you're going to have to just not worry 233 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: about distractions and trying to avoid them. It's just how 234 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: do we handle them. It's just things are inevitable. I 235 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: told I scripted the rookie minicamp. I said, we're going 236 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 1: to fumble three snaps. We're going to throw an interception. 237 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: The climate are going to run into each other because 238 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: one's going to go to the right and the other 239 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: one's going to go to the left, and you guys 240 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: are going to run into each other. And all these 241 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: things happened, and they came back laughing. After the first practice, 242 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: I say, I feel like I kind of can script 243 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: these practice. I know just how they're going to go. 244 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: You know, Mike, it's you know, some of Belichick's assistants 245 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: haven't done well. You weren't a classic assistant. You went 246 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: to college route and then came around so a lot. 247 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: When I've talked to some of the former Belichick assistance. 248 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: Bill has such a presence and he's such he's such 249 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: an intellect that it's um. You know, when you're in 250 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: his presence, you feel like she's a little bit of 251 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: a guru. I mean, you're just trying to soak in 252 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: all of it. And a lot of coaches have said 253 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: you do a really bad impersonation of Belichick instead of 254 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: being yourself, and with you you have such a strong presence. 255 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: I don't think you fell into that. I think you're 256 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: when I look at you, Mike Rabel is Mike Rabel, 257 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: You're not You're not going to be anybody else. And 258 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: I you know your wife was a college athlete, you're 259 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: a former pro football player for fourteen years. Do you 260 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: think because you had such a defined personality and presence 261 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: you have, you soaked up some stuff from Belichick, But 262 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: there's no imitating. I mean absolutely soaked up a lot. 263 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: But I think that my experience there was as a 264 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: player with other great players. I mean I've learned. I've 265 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: really tried to take a lot from whether it be 266 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: Teddy Bruski, William mc ginnis, Rodney Harrison, experiences with Tom 267 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: or any of the offensive players, the coaches Romeo Cornell 268 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: that I had in the NFL, and then try to 269 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: mold that, whether it be working for Bill O'Brien or 270 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: even working for Urban and Ohio State, the conversations with 271 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: Luke Fickle and Marcus Freeman. I've tried to take all 272 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: these different things, just say, be me, be myself and 273 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: react how I would react. But these are things that 274 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 1: these guys are really good at. How can I use 275 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: them to help me or help this team? You have 276 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: to be really organized, right, Like every great coach I've 277 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: known is organized. Were you an organized player? I don't? 278 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: I mean, is what's ever behind me? If that's organized 279 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: on the on the on the screen, I'm back here. 280 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: I just make my notes back there because I'm not 281 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: much of a computer. I kind of just stay organized 282 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: up here. Do you if if you I'll give you 283 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: a coach and you just tell me a sentence, what 284 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: you glean from that coach? If I say to you, um, 285 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien, you were under Bill O'Brien, what did you 286 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: take from him? Authenticity? I remember him saying, the beauty 287 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: of coaching is believing something. Have a philosophy, get the 288 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: players to believe in it, and there's gonna be a 289 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: million different ways, but you have to believe in and 290 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: you have to do it your way. Urban Meyer teaching 291 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: Urban was it was. It was mandatory that you'd be 292 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: a great teacher with these college players. And also the connection, 293 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, I realized in college the connection that you 294 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: have to have between a player. You get there and 295 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: they're seventeen eighteen years old, and you know, they're a 296 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: lot of time within your your father figure for most 297 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: of those guys. Belichick being just being prepared, being prepared 298 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: for different situations, also being flexible and understanding that things 299 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: are going to change. Things are going to constantly come 300 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: up and you have to be willing to change and adapt. 301 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: So you now that surprises me. I look at Belichick 302 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: and I think he's so prepared. He wouldn't have that 303 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: dexterity or that that ability to pivot in games. Go 304 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: back to your playing career with Bill. I mean we're 305 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: there times, Mike that you'd come to the sideline and 306 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: Bill would say, screw it, we're just gonna Things have changed. Uh, 307 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: you know, I think that this has probably been out 308 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: and probably been said but you know, people would say, hey, 309 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: we're make some halftime adjustments, and Bill would say, well, 310 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: if we're waiting until halftime, it's probably going to be 311 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: too late. Like we better been making adjustments by the 312 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: second or third series. Like the game plan has already 313 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: shown its hand. It's what they've practiced all week, you know, 314 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: pretty much that's what it's going to be the rest 315 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: of the game. When did you gain his trust? When 316 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: did Bill let you call things? I mean, I went 317 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: in there and again, this is such a unique situation. 318 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: I didn't start a game for four years. Had a 319 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: conversation with him in free agency, and he had referenced 320 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: plays that I had made in the preseason game. He's like, 321 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: you remember that preseason game against Miami. He's like, that's 322 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: what we're looking for, that's what we expect, you know. 323 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: And I went up there with just, you know, a 324 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: desire to try to be right and be perfect, but 325 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: you know you can't be you can't try to play 326 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: like that. And I think it was just something whereas 327 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: things started to go on the first or second year, 328 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: playing different positions, I think he realized that. I think 329 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: he valued that, the versatility, the willingness to play special 330 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: teams and really do whatever. Once once you show him that, 331 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: once you show any coach that, whether it's Bill Belichick 332 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: or anybody, once you show them the willingness to do 333 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: whatever you can to help the team win, you know, 334 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: that's how you earned trust. So I defended Ryan Tannehill 335 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: when he you know, he made kind of an average 336 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: He talked for a while and he made a small 337 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: comment and I said, um, give me a break. He's 338 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: thirty four, he just lost a huge playoff game, he 339 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: got replaced. You know, they kind of bailed on him 340 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: in Miami. He's fighting for his career. Give the guy 341 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: a break, Like at the end of my career. If you, 342 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: if you if they could draft a talk show host, 343 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: I'll be fighting like mad too. Were you surprised the 344 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: blowback he got for a fairly innocuous comment on Malik Willis. 345 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: There's not a whole lot going on in the NFL 346 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: right now, so anything they get said, you know, people 347 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: are going to jump all over. I've touched on this. 348 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: I know the type of teammate Ryan is, and all 349 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: I can tell you is the first couple of days 350 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: have been been really cool. Having three great quarterbacks on 351 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: our roster. Watching them helped Malik at practice. He's invited 352 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: the rookies over already. They've already been in his house, 353 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: They've had dinner. It's um, it's gonna be a good dynamic. 354 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: I said. I thought Malik was my favorite quarterback in 355 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: the draft, just because I thought his upside was huge 356 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: and there was intangibles about him. I thought he was 357 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: great at the podium, which I don't know if it 358 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: matters to a coach, but I was like Jesus, that 359 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: kid's good, Like he knows how to answer stuff, and 360 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: it felt really authentic. I didn't feel he was BS 361 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: and me at the podium. Were there intangibles not just 362 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: to play, there were there are things like that you 363 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: looked at as a former player and thought, Okay, that 364 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: you can bring that guy in our room, Like that's 365 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: so all. I mean I think that you love the 366 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 1: play strength when you're talking about on the field, Uh 367 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: really like his demeanor you know already just with these 368 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: rookies and handling the huddle, and it's a lot. I mean, 369 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: the first couple of days is a lot. I mean 370 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: we're throwing plays at him, we're formations and motions and cadence, 371 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: and I mean it's it's a lot and then coming 372 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: under center with you know, it's no fault to him. 373 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: They played in the shotgun munt to go under center 374 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: and run our offense. And when we're in the gun 375 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: and we're doing those things, and every day he's gotten better, 376 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: you know, since last Friday, he's gotten better each and 377 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: every day. And so it's just fun to coach um. 378 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: I didn't think Derrick Henry was going to be a 379 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: great pro, obviously wrong. He had an interesting career, He 380 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: got drafted, and he didn't I mean, he was kind 381 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: of a rotational guy for a while and then something popped. Mike, 382 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: take me back to his emergence from like sharing carries 383 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: to being unstoppable. Well, I think it got to be 384 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: a decisiveness, you know what I mean. It's like when 385 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: we're putting our scheme in, it was you know, where 386 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: do I fit? Where do I run? And you know, 387 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: I think finally just trusting the scheme, trusting the landmark, 388 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: not trying to read too much. I think sometimes you 389 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: get in trouble at any position that they try to 390 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: see too much or you're trying to do too much, 391 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: and so I think he marrowed his focus. I think 392 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: that he u he continued to work on a stiff 393 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: arm and in a second level. That to me, that's 394 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: the biggest thing is is we got to just continue 395 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: to find ways to get him to the second level 396 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: and hope that magic happens, and it usually does. Who 397 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: was the hardest running back you tackled? I mean he 398 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: was certainly there because I was older in my career. 399 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: Jerome Bettis was was a loan when I played him. Um, 400 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,719 Speaker 1: you know, I mean Ladanian to young Lendani and Tomlinson, 401 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: those guys, those are hard guys. Priest homes Um, Ricky Williams, 402 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's just no shortage of 403 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: good backs. There's housing bubbles, there's tech bubbles, there's stock 404 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: market bubbles. And during the last six months, I've been 405 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: joking on the air like we're in a wide receiver bubble. 406 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: Tyreek Hilgols for five picks. I remember when I was 407 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: on the air and I'm like, the hell of that 408 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: five picks? Randy Moss went for like a fourth to 409 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: New England and you know, a j Brown he's on 410 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: the market. There's picks stuff going on. Part of me 411 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: is just Mike thinks, Okay, I like, I like my receivers, 412 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: but god, you gotta win the line of scrimmage. Did 413 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: you look at this offseason a little bit, all these 414 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: moves at wide receiver and think we've kind of lost 415 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: our way in the value of it, or do you 416 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: like think the world's changing in this league? No? I mean, 417 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. I know that that every situation is different, 418 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: and I know that everybody gets the same amount to spend, 419 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: and you know, you have to make decisions, you have 420 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: to make tough decisions, and so, UM, I don't know. 421 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: I don't know where the receiver market's gonna end up. 422 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: I mean, I know that good players deserve to be 423 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: compensated and that's nature of professional sports. Um, but you 424 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: also have to work within a salary cap and you 425 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: have to try to find a way to continue to 426 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: do what's best for the entire team. And so I 427 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know where the market's going. I 428 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: know that, um, you know, the salary cap is going 429 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 1: to continue to go up. Specific about AJ, you know, 430 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: I think everybody knows my relationship with AJ, and you 431 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: know how much that meant to me, And I hope 432 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: him and we've had conversations, you know, since he's been traded. 433 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: It just it makes you sick, right like he's yeah. 434 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: I mean you just you have a personal side of 435 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: this thing when you try to do it like we 436 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: try to do it and make a connection and you know, 437 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: care about these guys off the field and making sure 438 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: that they're they're healthy, you know, mentally and physically. Yeah, 439 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: there's a business side to it too, and that's that's 440 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: what everybody. You know, you have to understand that. And 441 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: I and if you put a lot into something and 442 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: you know, guys move on, you have to make cuts, 443 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: you release guys, and so that's the hard part of them. 444 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: But I don't want to not going to change the 445 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: way that we coach. I don't want our coaches or 446 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: myself or anybody here to change the connections that we 447 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: try to make to teach them. Without further ado, I'm 448 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: going to bring in Rick Bucker. I don't even know 449 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: what to make of Phoenix. They looked tight, Chris Paul 450 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: and effective. What do you even make of what you saw? Well, 451 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: I believe this game was lost two games ago. I 452 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: honestly believe that when Devin Booker and Chris Paul. It 453 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: was a little bit like the Lebron James Dwyane Wade 454 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: mocking drk Nabitski. They were everything was rolling for Phoenix 455 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: and they were going at Dirk one on one and 456 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: they were laughing at him. This is the Luca Doantchiz 457 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: who was a European MVP who has played in front 458 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: of crowds with fireworks going off in the stands, with 459 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: people taking their lighters and heating coins and then throwing 460 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: them at you while you're playing with a absolute mushroom 461 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: cloud of cigarette smoke covering over the arena and crowds 462 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: where I've experienced it like you, you start finding anything 463 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: to put in your ears, like paper or anything to 464 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: try to dull the noise. So you take that his 465 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: experience that there's no there's no there's no situations that's 466 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: going to phase Luka Dontich and then you basically clown him. 467 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: You're asking for it, and you're asking You're asking for 468 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: it from a Luca Dontich with a Jason Kidd who 469 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: is also of the same mentality. If you insult him, 470 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: he's going to find a way to make you pay. 471 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: And he did with Luca basically by saying, Okay, Luca, 472 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: you know what, every opportunity you get, we're having you 473 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: go at Chris Paul, We're going to have you go 474 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: at Devin Booker, but you have to bring us something 475 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: to the defensive end. They clowned you because they were 476 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: going at you one on one twenty twenty five. Right, 477 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: You've got to give give me something the entire way, 478 00:24:54,280 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: and Luca responded, The Dallas Mavericks collectively responded, and the 479 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 1: Phoenix Suns. The Phoenix Suns basically were the bully and 480 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: they got punched, they got punched back, and they didn't 481 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: know what to do with it. Yeah. I still can't 482 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: get over the lack of offense. I mean Booker. You know, 483 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: it's interesting with Devin. I like him a lot. He 484 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: doesn't create a shot really very well. I mean, Devin 485 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: needs a screen. Devin needs help. You know, people make 486 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: these comparisons. Luca doesn't. Luca doesn't need help, he doesn't 487 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: need anything. John Morant doesn't need help. Steph Curry doesn't 488 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: need help. Booker's not super twitchy quick. He needs something. 489 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: And it was really apparent in the first half in 490 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: Game seven, Devin just couldn't even get good looks fall away. 491 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: It was I mean, he was smiled as I said that. 492 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: But he doesn't really create his own shot. He's a 493 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: great shooter. I don't know that he's a well, I 494 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: don't want to say he's not a great score. But 495 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: what they did is they made him play in a 496 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: crowd where he had to make decisions. And ideally what 497 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: he would have done is drawn that crowd and created 498 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: for others. He doesn't have that at all, So and 499 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: he's and and it was uncomfortable for him. I mean 500 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: you could literally see he was. He started thinking and 501 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: as soon as he's thinking, game over. Chris Paul is 502 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: the one that if you try to double him, he's 503 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: going to kill you because he's he can distribute, he 504 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: can fight, he can get other guys involved. I thought 505 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: it was brilliant on Jason Kidd's part to say we're 506 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: gonna make Devin Booker be a playmaker. We're not going 507 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: to let him be a scorer. We're gonna make him 508 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: be a playmaker. And Devin doesn't have that in his game. 509 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: I mean, face it, it's basically taking the Sons back 510 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: to what they were before. Chris Paul showed up because 511 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: Chris Paul is the one who became the orchestrator of everything. 512 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, Chris Paul, you know, whether it's fatigue, 513 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: whether it's age whatever. He also he just but with 514 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: Chris's age, it feels like Phoenix is athletic, but they 515 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: need another score. He can't bring this team back. It 516 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: feels like they have to add a piece offensively they 517 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: have Do they have to move somebody? Yeah? I don't. 518 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: I don't want to overreact because I also believe that 519 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: this was just a really bad matchup for them. Luca 520 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: like they don't have like this next series with Memphis, 521 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: I mean, excuse me, with Warriors and Dallas is going 522 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 1: to be really interesting because Draymond Green is the kind 523 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: of defender you want to put on Luca dons right, 524 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: you can play a bigger guy. He's clever, he knows 525 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: how to play angles. I'll be very interested to see 526 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: how that matchup, how that matchup goes. The Suns just 527 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: don't have that kind of guy. Mcal Bridges. For as 528 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: good a defender as he is, Lucas just embody him down. Yeah. 529 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton is not quick enough to stay in front 530 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: of him. Chris Paul is not big enough, right, It's 531 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: just they didn't have that one guy, and they lit 532 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: the fire under Luca. I mean again, I will go 533 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: back to it, like they were going along and Luca 534 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: was playing at a certain level and then they just 535 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: said they mocked him, and he was like, oh no, 536 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: you're not doing that, and he just took him a part, 537 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: you know, Luca has. I mean, when you think of 538 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: the greatest last twenty twenty five years, the great scores, 539 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: Michael Kobe, Kevin Durant, Lebron could be. But I don't 540 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: think him as you're He's a little atypical for a 541 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: score because he's such a great distributor. None of them, 542 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: none of them shoot like Luca and his body he's 543 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: so thick. He's not going to have Durant's injury issues. 544 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: I said this about a year ago. I could see 545 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: him being the all time leading scorer in the NBA 546 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: by the time he's like thirty three years old. I mean, 547 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: it's he He is just the best score on the planet. 548 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: I'm not even sure there's nothing quite like him. I mean, 549 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: it's interesting. Here's my only concern. He's not quick in 550 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: his scoring, so he needs to body you, and god, 551 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: that would that can wear you out over a career, 552 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: because you know, he doesn't fly past anybody. So ever, 553 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: every move Rick is a lot of work y, jerky banging. Yeah, well, 554 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: there's a tradeoff though, I mean, you're right, but he 555 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: also he scores efficiently, like he can bang you to 556 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: the mid range and then step back and hit his shot. 557 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: He can, he can score in so many different ways. 558 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: I don't, so there's a tradeoff there. The problem that 559 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: the Mavericks have the bigger problem, as I see, is 560 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: your point about he can't score fast like they don't. 561 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: He generally is not going to get up and down 562 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: if they're you know, they shot the three ball well, 563 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: but if they have to play beyond from behind, they're 564 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: a different team. They can't score bunches because that's not 565 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: that's not that's not him at his best. And I 566 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: felt sort of the same one. By the way, I'm 567 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: in the same condition as you are. I took a 568 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: red eye to the East Coast um on on on 569 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: Friday Friday night for Saturday, and I'm still recovering from that, 570 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: so I know I know the feeling, but no dodge 571 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: it is again, so much of the playoffs is matchups. Yeah, 572 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: this was not ultimately ended up not being a good 573 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: matchup for the Phoenix Suns. I dare say that if 574 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: they had gotten somehow managed to get past Dallas, like 575 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: I would have liked them against the Phoenix Suns. I 576 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: think it would have been I mean, to get the 577 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: Gold State Wars We've been a completely different, different setup. 578 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: Now I'm really curious to see whether the Dallas Mavericks 579 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: can replicate this. Yeah, I think the Warriors are a 580 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: tough matchup because Wiggins is now the league's best four 581 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: H Clay, I mean, they're really intriguing team on nights 582 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: where Pools playing, well, it's Steph, it's Pool, it's Clay, 583 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: it's Wiggins. You know um. And they also they're they're 584 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: so small, but the league's getting small. I mean, let's 585 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: be honest about the league's getting really small. Just playing 586 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: five Giannice is playing five that you're you have point 587 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: you have point centers. Now, essentially, I think Golden State's 588 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: a handful. First of all, Spencer didn't what he was 589 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: on fire With Spencer, I feel like Spencer's the kind 590 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: of guy you get about two games like that A series, uh, 591 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And that's not a knock 592 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: on him, but he's a B and the a's Luca 593 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: gives you that game six games. So I just I 594 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: think Golden State you know them better than I do, 595 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: but I think they're h I also think you could 596 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: throw a Draymond at him. You could throw Coominga at him. 597 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: You could throw you know what I mean, like, you 598 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: could just throw more bodies than feet because cominga six, 599 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: seven to twenty, you wouldn't put him on for a 600 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: long stretch. But between a Draymond and him, it's a 601 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: tough matchup. And I think Luca could have off an 602 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: off game or two. Yeah, yeah, I don't have an 603 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: answer because you're right COMINGA Andrew Wiggins, Draymond Green. You 604 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: could rotate those guys, ont uh, and you're going to 605 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: give him a tougher challenge than than the Phoenix Suns 606 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: were able to do with Chris Paul and Michael Bridges. 607 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: And none of those guys were None of them fit 608 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: Jay Crowder. None of those guys can can bother Donchas 609 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: once he figures you out. But there's also Jalen Brunson. 610 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: You know they have other playmakers, and I really I 611 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: have to kind of sit back and think about who 612 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: I like going into this series, because the Warriors are 613 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: not the Warriors of old. Clay Thompson had a great 614 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: Game six, but for the most part, he's not Clay 615 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: Thompson anymore. Yeah, Steph Curry. It was I was watching 616 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: that game with a couple of buddies and they were like, 617 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: what's my home with Steph? And I was like, he's 618 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: lost like a quarter step and so he doesn't get 619 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: the same airspace on his three and he doesn't get 620 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: to the rim to be able to finish in the 621 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: same way. It's just he was always working with a 622 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: very small margin and maximizing it, and now the margin 623 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: has shrunky. Yes, more so you have to have Jordan 624 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: Pool going h. You have to have you have to 625 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: have Clay giving you some semblance. Draymond Green has to 626 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: be good like and and Wiggins has to be efficient. 627 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: And you're talking about guys in Wiggins and Pool who 628 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: just have never been on this on this they've never 629 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: been on the stage before, that's right, So they're kind 630 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: of figuring it out. So I don't have an answer 631 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: for you yet on exactly what kind of series we're 632 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: going to get. I just I hope we get a 633 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: long one because it's going to be intriguing. Yeah. I 634 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: don't think we have a great team in the West, 635 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: and I don't think we have one in the East 636 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: because we have Miami in Boston now and I think 637 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: I like Boston in seven, but I want to go 638 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: to Milwaukee. I've always kind of felt with Milwaukee. I 639 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: said this last year is I think they could win 640 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: three titles in six years. They feel like the Spurs. 641 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: I was reading Jeff Perlman's book when I was in 642 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: Italy three Ring Circus Kobe, Shack and Phil and the 643 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: amount of chaos, animosity, angst for all those years, and 644 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: if they won three straight, and if Karl Malone's healthy, 645 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: they maybe win four straight because they were so gifted. 646 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: Like the Warriors with Durant, they were so gifted. Look 647 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: at all the chaos with Jordan's Bulls, Jerry Krause, Phil Rodman. 648 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: The truly great teams know they're great. There's lots of egos, 649 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: but they just out talent. You Milwaukee's like San Antonio. 650 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: They can't win three straight. They're not that gifted. They're 651 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: gonna have all the guys healthy. They need a break. 652 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: And I looked at it, and as I watched that 653 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: Boston series, I thought, they're just not good enough without 654 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: Chris Middleton to end up in the finals. I mean, 655 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: in the last six years, I could be wrong on this, 656 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: but I think they've been eliminated four times, neither the 657 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: first to the second round because things didn't work out. 658 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: They made a conference finals and lost, and then they 659 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: made the finals and won. But I look at Milwaukee 660 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: and I'm like, listen, they're gonna win another championship probably yea. 661 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: But all of our champions are not equal. There's the 662 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: Dirk Mavericks, and I kind of feel like this is 663 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: a poor man's Spurs where you've got a dominant big, 664 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: a strong culture, um a couple other really nice players, 665 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 1: you know, Man NEWTONI it's Drew, it's Middleton. Nice players, 666 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: but they're not special without middle You take one of 667 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 1: them out and they're they're a team that they're just 668 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: a team. Well it's the challenge too. And you know, 669 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: fans hate to hear this, but you're in Milwaukee, you're 670 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: in San Antonio. That's like it's it's you know, you're 671 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: not going to get Gary Payton and Karl Malone and 672 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: guys who will will join the Lakers to make a 673 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: run Horace Grant like there, that's not happening for the 674 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: most part. In Milwaukee or San Antonio, You're just going 675 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: to get good guys who are at the end of 676 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: their career that the David Wests are going to go 677 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,919 Speaker 1: there and say, Hey, I don't have a ring yet 678 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: and I can spend a year in Milwaukee or San 679 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,879 Speaker 1: Antonio trying to win one. I do. Look, I think 680 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 1: Janice is going to win a couple more same championships 681 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,760 Speaker 1: and it's going and I think he can be better. 682 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 1: What we saw against the Celtics is that he reverted 683 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: a little bit as soon as the mid range jumper 684 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: wasn't working and he couldn't score efficiently in the in 685 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:25,399 Speaker 1: the in the mid uh, in the mid postum at 686 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: a slower pace, and he desperately they desperately needed that 687 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: without Chris Middleton. That's ultimately what they meant that they 688 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 1: missed is that Chris Middleton would would give you some 689 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: of that and so and then they need to get 690 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: more athletic like Pat Connotson Grayson Allen, Like all those 691 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,720 Speaker 1: guys got exposed. Grayson Allen was terrified on the court, 692 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 1: Yes he was. He's Duncan Robinson basically like a great 693 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: regular season, We're gonna get you threes, you can hit them. 694 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 1: And now we get it where oh they're targeting you 695 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: at the defensive end and they're not going to let 696 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: you have a wide open three. You're gonna have to 697 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: put the ball on the floor. Now, what can you do? 698 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: And that just a guy unravels. So they they definitely 699 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: have some work to do, have to do on this roster. 700 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: And and now I'm just I'll be interested to see 701 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: where this Boston Celtics team goes because I think there 702 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: is such a value in winning a championship and understanding 703 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: what it takes. That's what kind of surprised me with 704 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: how Milwaukee unraveled as this series went on. Yeah, like 705 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: a lot of their they were self inflicted wounds, like 706 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: they were getting behind early and turning the ball over 707 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: and missing open threes when they needed one like that, 708 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: when you want a championship that's not supposed to have, 709 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 1: Bobby Portis, you're not supposed to go off the rails 710 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 1: Game seven, and he was said. You know, if you 711 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: ever wondered, God, Bobby's such a He's a really nice player. 712 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: Why is he bounced around the way that he has? Yeah? Now, 713 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: now you know, you get to find out the pressures raise. 714 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: Then you find out what the true character of guys are, 715 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: and he just he lost it. The volume, make sure 716 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 1: to check out The Draymond Green Show. I brought Draymond 717 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 1: Green into the volume because one of the more entertaining 718 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,240 Speaker 1: voices in sports. Unique perspective understands behind the rope also 719 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 1: chops up with guests like Gary Peyton, Zach Levine, Tracy McGrady. 720 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,359 Speaker 1: Make sure download The Draymond Green Show wherever you get 721 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 1: your podcasts, only on the Volume podcast Network.