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Speaker 1: say the program rewards criminal behavior. LaMere de Blasio is

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Speaker 1: optimistic the plan will work in the world where we

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Speaker 1: If small incentives are part of what actually makes it work,

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Speaker 1: low level. When you get to felony status, nothing is

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Speaker 1: low level. You were just hearing our friend Hazel Sanchez

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Speaker 1: now to my favorite paper, The New York Post. Reporter

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Speaker 1: Tina Moore, Tina, what the hey is happening? Now? What happened?

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Speaker 1: What's wrong with du Blasio? I think the idea is

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Speaker 1: So it truly is a revolving door. In Wow, we

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Speaker 1: right now. Let me understand something to aam or with

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Speaker 1: a so called Bell reform, that's what they're calling it.

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Speaker 1: You don't put up a cash bond. You don't put

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Speaker 1: what crimes would that be? Felonies like you pointed out,

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Speaker 1: And now these people are not only not putting up

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Speaker 1: You know, the next time somebody, a doper comes in

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Speaker 1: Tina more from the New York Post. Let me correct you.

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Speaker 1: Every time I see miscarriacter justice, when the system screw

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Speaker 1: He's laughing all the way to the bank. John Dillinger

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Speaker 1: That's right, Nancy. And all you have to do is

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Speaker 1: It's just in this particular case, the state went way

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Speaker 1: too far in what it's doing to let career criminals

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Speaker 1: back on the street who are going to reoffend. There

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Speaker 1: is no question about that. You are going to create

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Speaker 1: more victims. There have probably been more victims already because

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Speaker 1: this law is in place. Take a listen to our

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Speaker 1: friends at CBS. Two hundreds of offenses such as stalking,

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Speaker 1: grand larceny, assault as a hate crime, and second degree

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Speaker 1: manslaughter will no longer be eligible for bail or pre

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Speaker 1: trialed attention. They eliminated bail, but they never put in

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Speaker 1: the safeguard we need of allowing the judge to assess dangerousness.

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Speaker 1: And the result is we've got some glaring loopholes that

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Speaker 1: are going to go into effect tomorrow. CBS two Urban

435
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Speaker 1: affairs expert Mark Peters says this sets New York apart

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Speaker 1: from other states, such as New Jersey, which have already

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Speaker 1: eliminated the cash bail. So that somebody can walk up

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Speaker 1: to someone on the street and punch them in the face,

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Speaker 1: and if they haven't done lasting physical injury, there's no

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Speaker 1: bail available. They can They'll be let out that day.

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Speaker 1: They can go and punch somebody the next day. Courts

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Speaker 1: will have the option to supervise release defendants by check

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Speaker 1: ins with a caseworker, by monitoring their mental health or

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Speaker 1: substance abuse treatment, by making sure they maintain employment, obey

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Speaker 1: an order of protection, or forfeit their firearms. Said someone

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Speaker 1: I gotta use Jason Oceans, New York, New Jersey defense attorney,

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Speaker 1: how is it that defacts Department? Family Children's Services also

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Speaker 1: known as CPS Chop Protective Services doesn't have enough employees

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00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: to check over or guard children placed back in what

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Speaker 1: I know to be horrible homes and the children end

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Speaker 1: up dead. We have a new case like that every

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Speaker 1: single day. I've got so many that I hate to

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Speaker 1: broadcast them all or I would be doing every single

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Speaker 1: program on that not enough employees, not enough motivated employees.

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Speaker 1: But we think and children die, we think we have

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Speaker 1: enough employees to monitor whether a perp, a criminal perp

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Speaker 1: is taken as meds or going to rehab or going

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Speaker 1: to AA or really that that's not going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Why don't we just deal with the truth. It's not

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Speaker 1: happening at all. This was as as Bobby said and

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Speaker 1: Tina reported, this was just an abomination. There's there's there's

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Speaker 1: no aspect of this that's good for for anyone except

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Speaker 1: you know, recipivious criminals. Uh, you know the rate in

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Speaker 1: the state of anti Semitism and and those that we're

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Speaker 1: committing it would just let right out again to assault

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Speaker 1: to others. You talked about met tickets and that's a

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Speaker 1: Dublasio thing versus the state that enacted this bail reform nonsense.

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Speaker 1: But imagine going to a MET game and one of

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Speaker 1: the crimes now is injecting a child with a controlled substance,

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Speaker 1: injecting a minor with a controlled substance, and you're out.

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Speaker 1: So imagine you're that disturbed individual that's what you're sitting

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Speaker 1: next to, potentially at a MET game. I want you

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Speaker 1: to take a listen to a New York assemblyman joining

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Speaker 1: our friends at Fox and Friends. Even someone with an

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Speaker 1: extensive criminal history. An individual with twenty four prior arrests

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Speaker 1: punched a police officer in Brooklyn was released right back

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Speaker 1: onto the street. And we saw an illegal immigrant in

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Speaker 1: Rockland County on Christmas Eve hit drive unlicensed, hit and

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Speaker 1: killed a thirty five year old mother of three, was

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Speaker 1: released back onto the street after he left the scene

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Speaker 1: of the accident, was caught. It's unbelievable what local law

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Speaker 1: enforcement has to put up with. The thanks he was

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Speaker 1: apprehended by Immigration enforcement and we'll be deported. But you know,

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Speaker 1: local law enforcement has their hands tied. And it's comical

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Speaker 1: to see people like build a Blasio, who was offering

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Speaker 1: free Mets tickets gift cards to incentivize people to return

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Speaker 1: to court. He lent his support for this law crime

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00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. I'll tell you what it's going

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Speaker 1: to take, and I don't like this, but what is

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00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: going to take, Bobby Chicon is a murder. That's finally,

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Speaker 1: when an innocent person loses their life at the hands

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Speaker 1: of someone who walks straight out of jail, without putting

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Speaker 1: up bond and got to just a revolving door like

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00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: you just heard about. I guess those lives aren't enough.

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Speaker 1: But it's going to take something like that before h

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Speaker 1: change is made, and that's going to require the Assembly

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Speaker 1: to get together and come up with an idea and

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Speaker 1: actually do something about it. Bobby and and I hate that,

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Speaker 1: but I know that is the reality. Well, I think

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Speaker 1: we've already we may have already had that. There was

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Speaker 1: a ninety two year old woman in New York that

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Speaker 1: was that was killed by an individual had just gotten

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Speaker 1: out of jail for UM an incident of violence, incident

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Speaker 1: with his father UM and I believe he was released

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Speaker 1: under under this law and then he assaulted UM and

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Speaker 1: she wound up dying of her injuries, a ninety two

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Speaker 1: year old woman UM And So yeah, I think that.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right, I think, but that's my point.

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Speaker 1: I think there already is additional victims, and I think

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Speaker 1: there will continue to be victims. And it may be

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Speaker 1: victims rights advocates that have to rally around and push

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Speaker 1: back on this, but there's no doubt in my mind

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Speaker 1: that there will be additional victims created by this law

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Speaker 1: that would not be victimized if this law wasn't in place.

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Speaker 1: And that's the real that's the real um sadness of

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Speaker 1: this whole situation is in an attempt to curry favor

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Speaker 1: with a certain segment of the population, politicians are sacrificing

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Speaker 1: additional victims, accounting on those victims not speaking up. In

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Speaker 1: that case where there was a ninety two year old

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Speaker 1: female victim, it wasn't just an accident. She was also

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Speaker 1: sex assaulted and murdered. Okay, So let's just let that

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Speaker 1: scene in for a moment. So, Bobby Chicone, the case

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Speaker 1: you're describing the guy who just got out, pursue it

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Speaker 1: to the bill, quote reform sex assaulted a ninety two

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Speaker 1: year old woman. Now what's happening? Why isn't it being fixed?

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Speaker 1: Because we know Cuomo, the governor of New York, just

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Speaker 1: gave you a speech and did not address it. And

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Speaker 1: they keep putting perfume on the pigs, things like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it needs to be tweaked. I think it needs a

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Speaker 1: tear down, okay, and a rebuild, an entire rebuild. So

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Speaker 1: when you described so quickly the ninety two year old woman,

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Speaker 1: you left out the fact that this wasn't just you know, oops,

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Speaker 1: I accidentally hit her in my elbow and she fell

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Speaker 1: on the ground in her head. No, he sex assaulted

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Speaker 1: her and then murdered her after just walking out. I'm

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Speaker 1: wonder if he's going to get Mets tickets. Yeah, day,

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Speaker 1: And I think the original crimes in jail for it

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Speaker 1: was an assault with his father, So these are not

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Speaker 1: non violent offenders. They try to paint it that way.

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Speaker 1: This is nothing more than pure politics. The laws shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be tweaked. Bail reform originally should have been tweaked, and

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Speaker 1: I agree with Tina that I agree with it. There

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Speaker 1: are some aberrations of bail in the system, and we

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Speaker 1: need to look at those and find ways to correct them.

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Speaker 1: But this is a wholesale restructuring of the system, and

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Speaker 1: it's nothing more than political pandering to certain segments of

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Speaker 1: the population that those politicians feel this sells well to

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Speaker 1: their voters. This sells well when I stand up there

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Speaker 1: and I say I cite one or two aberrations of

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Speaker 1: stories that aren't aren't the norm, and try to make

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Speaker 1: people believe those are the norm, and then say that's

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Speaker 1: why I had to do this, and I'm helping people.

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Speaker 1: That's a political play to appeal to certain segments of

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Speaker 1: their voter base, and that's all this is. They don't

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Speaker 1: care about the victims because one ninety two year old

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Speaker 1: woman who now is dead is not going to turn

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Speaker 1: the election for them. But if they if they pandered

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Speaker 1: to their political base, then they're going to win the election.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at ABC seven, This

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Speaker 1: is Kristin Thorne. NASA County Executive Laura Curran says, the

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Speaker 1: counties public safety officials have been working hard to make

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Speaker 1: sure the release of those twenty nine people today was

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Speaker 1: orderly and safe. I have heard loud and clear the

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Speaker 1: concerns from the community. I share those concerns, which is

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Speaker 1: why we made sure that we crossed every t dotted

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Speaker 1: every eye to make sure this was done as smoothly

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Speaker 1: as possible. The reason I'm here today is because I

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00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: know the people that are letting back out onto the streets.

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Speaker 1: I work for these jails for over twenty years. The

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Speaker 1: hard working men and women that work behind the walls

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Speaker 1: of these correctional facilities know just how dangerous the people

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Speaker 1: are that are being left back into the communities, our communities.

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Speaker 1: Senate Republicans are vowing to introduce legislation to counteract this law.

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Speaker 1: This is what I know. When another person ends up

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Speaker 1: dead in addition to the ninety two year old woman,

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Speaker 1: the blood of those victims is going to be on

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Speaker 1: the government that allowed this bail quote reform act. I

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Speaker 1: disagree with, for instance, misdemeanors such as you know, a

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Speaker 1: simple addict that has cocaine, Jason Oceans. I would do

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Speaker 1: anything for them not to be behind bars if they

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00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: didn't have a record, give them probation and counseling and

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Speaker 1: you know, forty hours of community service. If it's a

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Speaker 1: young guy, a young guy or a young woman who

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Speaker 1: does something that's not violent, like you know, jack a car,

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Speaker 1: go joy riding or jack a car and sell it.

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Speaker 1: That's not a violent crime. And I don't believe that

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Speaker 1: first offender should be behind bars. Shoplifting, theft of various

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00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: types pretty much white collar crimes, but non violent endangering crimes. No,

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Speaker 1: I really do not believe we need to have them

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Speaker 1: behind bars. They need help, They need help to break

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Speaker 1: out of the cycle that they're in. Because a lot

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Speaker 1: of these people, and I know this for a fact,

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Speaker 1: they don't know there is another way to live other

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Speaker 1: than crime. And if they could see that, maybe they

595
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: could go straight. I'm talking about people that are a threat. Jason,

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Speaker 1: just tell me one more time. Which crimes do people

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Speaker 1: walk scott free on no bail, nothing, They sign up

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00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: basically a ticket and walk out the jailhouse stores? What crimes?

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Speaker 1: Stalking as a hate crime. The list is. We'd be

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Speaker 1: here for the next forty minutes. Now, stalking as a

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Speaker 1: hate crime, stalking as a hate crime, there's one stalking

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Speaker 1: as a hate crime. We're talking about just the concept

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Speaker 1: and the rise of it. You're stalking people based on

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Speaker 1: race or religion. That's that's fine, go back out, Just

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00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: keep doing that relentless. You could terrorize a community. This

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Speaker 1: was not intended A bail reform was not intended to

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Speaker 1: be this. It's, as you've discussed in a much more

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00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: narrowed way, not this. This was willy nilly. This was bad.

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Speaker 1: It is bad. There's gonna be blood on someone's hands soon.

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Speaker 1: Final where Bobby ch Ken. Yeah, as we've just pointed

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Speaker 1: out stalking as a hate crime, right on its face,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't it isn't violent by definition, but it's what

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Speaker 1: we call a precursor or crime. You're stalking someone so

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Speaker 1: that you can offend I am more violent nature. You're

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00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 1: stalking them to know this situation, to know their routine,

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Speaker 1: so things like that. So it's absolutely horrendous the amount

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Speaker 1: of crimes that are covered. Stalking as a hate crime

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00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: is a precursor crime to another violent crime. You're preparing

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Speaker 1: to commit a violent crime. And so this is an aberration.

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Speaker 1: This is an absolute horror show. Uh. Like you said, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: there's going to be more victims. Like I've said, I

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Speaker 1: know there are already more victims. There will be future

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Speaker 1: victims that are victimized as a result of this law,

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Speaker 1: not as a result of anything else other than this law.

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00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: It's just the politicians don't care about those victims. They're

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Speaker 1: not a voting block, and they're going to continue to

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00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: pander to people that they can get up and full

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Speaker 1: and to say these are non violent people we're letting out. Um,

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Speaker 1: none of us would disagree with that, as you are

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Speaker 1: said earlier. Um, but that that's not the case. They're

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Speaker 1: they're hiding it, they're lying about it. And and the

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Speaker 1: fact that so quickly now they're already admitting it needs

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Speaker 1: to be tweaked just days into the new law, says

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Speaker 1: that there's it's it's very flawed. You know, at its core,

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00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: this this so called reform is flawed at its core.

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Speaker 1: It needs to be rescinded. And they need to have

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Speaker 1: a big, another strong look at things that can be

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Speaker 1: used to tweet this as to Tina more New York

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Speaker 1: Post Weight and Tina, I hate to admit it, but

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Speaker 1: they sort of talked to the people who understand, that's

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Speaker 1: like the cops and the prosecutors, and they didn't they

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Speaker 1: didn't consult them when they when they made the law.

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Speaker 1: And I think it needs some changes need to be made.

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Speaker 1: I think I've seen we wait as just as some faults.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Graham story signing off goodbye friend,