WEBVTT - From the Archive: Gwyneth Paltrow 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.280 You were listening to Ruthie's Table four. In partnership with Montclair. 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:10.680 Gwyneth Paltrow worked for a day in the River Cafe kitchen. 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:15.240 She arrived early, dressed in professional chef whites, ready to cook. 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:19.520 Gwyneth is the only chef ever to have vast, clean 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:23.479 and cook fresh anchovies, and for three hours she did. 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.360 I learned a lot that day. I mean, you know, 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:31.280 just when you're a home cook, you don't think about 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:36.280 precision and like repetitively turning out something that's perfect and 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:39.320 exactly the same over a course of many hours. 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:42.559 Didn't Jamie Oliver come in when you were there? I think, 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:45.919 you know, what is Gwynneth? Quite a few people say, 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:49.040 what is Gwyneth Paltrow doing in your kitchen? We said, 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:54.800 she's frying anchovies. So it was This memory speaks to 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:58.520 how professional Gwyneth is. An Oscar winning actor, she built 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.840 Coop from a simple newsletter her into an influential and 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:07.280 uplifting business with energy, elegance and strong values. Another memory 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.920 ten years ago, just after the death of our son BeO, 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.679 I asked Gwyneth if she might surprise the River Cafe 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.800 team and sing one song for them at our Christmas 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:21.440 party to thank them for their care and concern for me. 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:26.679 Gwyneth not only said yes, she sang four songs, danced 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.720 with everyone, and stayed to the very end. In the 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.520 River Cafe history, we still talk about the time Gwyneth 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:38.240 Paltrow came to sing. I admire Gwyneth for being a brave, 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:43.240 smart entrepreneur. I respect Gwyneth as a writer of recipes. 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.440 Most of all, I love Gwyneth for being there with 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:49.480 me that night and here with me today. 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:56.720 Oh boy, I wasn't expecting that. That was so beautiful. 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:00.880 Thank you, Gwyneth. Would you like to read the recipe? 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.280 I would love to one of my favorites from the 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:10.240 River Cafe. Zucchini free tea five hundred gram zucchini, one 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:14.880 liter sunflower oil for the batter, one hundred and fifty 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:19.360 grams of plain flour, three tablespoons extra virgin olive oil, 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:25.720 three tablespoons warm water, three egg whites organic. Cut the 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:29.360 zucchini into five millimeter thick ovals, then cut them into 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:33.880 thick matchsticks. For the batter. See the flour into a bowl, 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:37.120 make a well in the center, pour in the olive oil, 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:41.040 and stir to combine lusinetting enough warm water to make 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:45.000 a batter the consistency of double cream. Heat the oil 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.280 in a high sided pan to one hundred and ninety 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:51.880 degrees celsius. Beat the egg whites until stiff and fold 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:55.399 into the batter. Dip the zucchini in the batter. Fry 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:58.560 in batches in the hot oil until golden and crisp. 0:02:58.919 --> 0:02:59.919 Serve immediately. 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:02.880 So when you make do you make zucchini do fry? 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:04.320 Do you do zucchini free tea. 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.240 All the time? Yeah, it's Apple's. One of Apple's favorite 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:10.760 foods is zucchini free tea. And they're so good, especially 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.000 when the one thing also you can do with zucchini. 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.720 They're slightly larger, I think because the way we do 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:17.920 it of cutting it into rounds and then cutting into 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:19.919 strips may make it easier. 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:21.360 Do you grow them here? 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.200 No, we're getting back east on Long Island in the summer. 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:28.240 We have tomatoes and zucchini for days and days and 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:32.760 days and flowers. They're so delicious. Except I have to say, 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.400 and I'm probably this is probably really unpopular, but I 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.520 like mozzarella in them more than ricotta in them. 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.760 I don't put any cheese in them. No, I'm never have. 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.560 I just love having them absolutely, just the flower and 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:48.800 the kids fry them and then you hold them by 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.160 the stem and you just eat them. So, if we 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.760 were going to start at the beginning, what is the beginning? 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:55.760 Where were you born? Where did you grow up? 0:03:56.120 --> 0:04:00.640 I was born here in Los Angeles, in Hollywood. We 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:02.680 kind of went back and forth between New York City 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:04.960 and Santa Monica a lot. I did a lot of 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.000 preschool in New York City, and I did first and 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.800 third grades in New York City while my mother was 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.440 on Broadway, and then the bulk of the rest of 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.200 elementary school here and then moved permanently to New York 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.000 City when I was eleven. Can you remember? 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.440 The kitchens were perfect food could described the kitchen, but 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:23.200 they're very different. 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.240 The LA house and the kitchens were very different. So 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.679 our kitchen and in Los Angeles here had a brick floor, 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:33.440 red brick floor and a tile counter, sort of like 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:37.520 very country kitchen. Lots of windows and you could see 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.280 the backyard and the pool, and we were in there 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:42.800 a lot. I mean, I think with every house you're 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:46.000 in the kitchen more than anywhere. Our New York kitchen 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.440 was on the ground floor. We grew up in a townhouse, 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.640 almost no windows, but we had a big fireplace in 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.240 the kitchen, which was really nice, and it was more 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:56.919 of a modern kitchen. It had been done by a 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:58.960 Swedish architects. It was kind of minimal. 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:00.159 And who cooked. 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:05.520 Well. When I was little, I remember, I mean my 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:09.560 mom cooked. My dad started cooking a lot, but that 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.480 was later. He got very into cooking kind of when 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:17.040 we were older teenagers. But we had we had a 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:19.279 no pair that would cook. My mom would cook. It 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.400 was kind of like a group effort in the kitchen. 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:25.120 But my mom was always like, she loves food, but 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.640 she would get sort of stressed cooking, you know, whereas 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.240 my dad was like thought it was really fun. My mom, 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:33.360 I don't think she found it so relaxing. 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:37.719 And also you just mentioned that she was in theater nice, 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:38.680 so what was that luck? 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:43.000 So she would come home late after the theater, which 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.640 when I was older was really nice. I remember when 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:48.240 I was in high school and she would finish a 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.320 plane come home and I would still be awake and 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:52.520 we would kind of have a chat, which was some 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.760 of my favorite memories of growing up in New York. 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.880 And or she was doing Shakespeare in the Park and 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.960 I would walk down Central Park to go visit her 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:07.120 and watch her. So it was really a wonderful thing 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.920 having a mother so steeped in the arts in New 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.800 York and with all of the friends and you know, 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.560 the artists singing around the piano, and you know, it 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:18.359 was really a great way to check it. Would he 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:18.960 have eaten? 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.719 Do you think? I often ask actors who are acting 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:24.800 in a play. Do they eat before the play? Do 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.080 they eat after the play? 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:26.880 Do they ding? 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:28.000 And everyone varies. 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:32.120 Yeah, I think she would generally eat before unless she 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:37.280 had friends coming. It's sort of an occupational hazard to 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.880 eat after. I did a play in London, I think 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:43.440 in maybe two thousand and two, and I ate every 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.160 night after the play, and I gained about fifteen. 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:49.840 There is also that thing when you go to see 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:51.719 somebody in a play and then they go, you know 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.599 Ray Fines does it. It's always dinner afterwards, and you 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.120 do see the kind of fatigue and then letting go 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:00.320 and probably eating too much late at night, but then 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.960 eating before you might go on. Did you feel stuffed 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:04.760 when you went on to them? 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.160 Yeah? I couldn't. I couldn't eat before. I was too 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.680 nervous to eat before, so I would always end up 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:13.080 eating after and go to Jay Chiky and he have 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:16.120 a bottle of wine and French fries and some kind 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:16.720 of oyster. 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.320 And back to New York and back to growing up 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:21.840 with a mother who was acting, And what was your 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:22.480 father doing? 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.280 He was making TV shows, So he was making shows 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.600 here in New York and doing a lot of traveling 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.320 back and forth, and then and then kind of settled 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:33.360 in New York. And that was great when he was 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.920 with us all the time, And but I don't remember 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:40.400 him really being in the kitchen until he had kind 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:45.520 of slowed down how prolifically he was making TV shows. 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.120 And when he kind of slowed turned everything down a 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:50.280 notch is when he really got into cooking. 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:52.880 And would you have meals around the table together with 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.120 you and Jake? Oh, my parents sit down? 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:59.920 What were they like? They were really nice, I mean, 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:03.560 and it was I think we felt special being included 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.840 at the dinner table, even though it was a nightly event. 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.480 It felt, you know, like if they had friends over. 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:12.240 We sat with them at the table and had long conversations. 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.520 It's something that I've carried on with my kids as well. 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.720 You know, we always have dinner all together as a family, 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.480 no phones allowed at the table, and you get into 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:24.600 great discourse with them and hear what they think about things. 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.400 And I think my father made me feel that I 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:31.520 was valuable during those dinners because he really elicited our opinion. 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.679 He asked questions, and my brother and I were very 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:36.880 much a part of the conversation. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:38.120 That was his background. 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.920 Well, it's interesting, you know because touching on what you 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.120 were saying, before he grew up without money. He grew 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.280 up on Long Island, and they were you know, they 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:51.600 were kind of a working class moving trying moving up 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.760 into middle class Jewish family, but they didn't have a 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.000 lot of disposable income, and they didn't they didn't go 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:02.560 out to eat. So and my father finally made it, 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:06.160 you know, like his and he loved food and all 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.320 the beautiful things in life. You know, he loved beautiful 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.640 fabrics and paintings, and you know, he would take me 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.560 to every museum in the world and we would walk 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:17.559 for hours. And I think food for him was really 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:23.120 an expression of life's beauty and our blessings and good 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.440 fortune to be able to eat something that was fresh 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:29.559 and delicious and really well conceived and thought about. And 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.599 he was so proud that, you know, we ate oysters 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.040 and you know, things that he hadn't come across until 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.880 really later in his life. And I always remember, and 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:44.880 I wrote about this in my first book, that when 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:47.840 we would get into the car to go out to dinner, like, 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.800 no matter how many times we had gone it like, 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.000 he was so excited. It was like the greatest thing 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.000 of all time that we were going out to dinner. 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.120 I think that it's interesting because people that I've talked to, 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:03.560 many of them measure their success in the ability to 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:07.080 eat well. It's fascinating that people, you know, when they 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:10.800 were able to go to restaurants and choose something that 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.400 they weren't worried about how much it costs, or you 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.920 know Paul McCartney saying that he always thought wine was 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.640 terrible because he only had really really cheap wine. And 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.240 then when he was able to go to a restaurants 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.760 somebody bought him a fabulous bottle of wine, he kind 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.240 of understood what it had meant to work hard and 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.079 what he could do and even just going to restaurants, 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:33.319 so that going back to your dad, what were his 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:33.960 parents like? 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:40.720 They were New Yorkers. They had so my grandfather's grandfather 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:44.200 had come from Poland. They were from a long line 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:49.760 of rabbis, and they were all Ashkenazi Jews from Poland 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:54.720 and Russia kind of Belarusian, and they were, you know, 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:56.680 had grown up. My grandfather had grown up in a 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:00.280 tenement on the Lower East Side and fought his way 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.839 into military school so he could, you know, have three 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:07.520 square meals a day and learn. He craved discipline and order, 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.080 and so he was very proud of himself that he 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.720 had put himself, you know, had gotten himself in that position. 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.880 And they were great. And my grandmother, my dad's mom, 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.200 was a great I mean I loved eating at her house. 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:21.559 Grandmother's are really important. 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:25.840 Yeah. Food, I mean she made brisket and that it 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.960 was like the best brisket in the world. And then 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.240 she also let us have junk food, which we were 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:34.960 not allowed from my mother. So you know, we would 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:36.680 go to stay with them and there would be fruit 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:38.600 loops and I would be out of my mind, you know, 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:43.240 Jake and I would be eating wonderbread with frenches mustard 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.920 and a slice of tomato and lettuce, and we thought 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.920 it was the most delicious thing of all time. 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.720 So we have a recipe for brisket I do. And 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:53.960 what about your mother's mother. 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:59.840 My mother's mother was a fantastic cook and entertainer. She 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:05.600 a really scary person, but she made the best food. 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:09.040 She I'll never forget the things that, you know, really 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:13.040 sort of like fifties food that she made all throughout 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:17.040 the eighties, you know. So her the best deviled eggs 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:21.440 in the whole world, the best Christmas dinners, her stuffing 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:25.280 in her and her spreads would be this whole table 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.040 full of the most delicious food. And it was only her, 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:33.800 you know, on her own chopping and cooking, and her 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:37.240 food was amazing. She was a great, a really great cook. 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.520 The River Cafe Cafe, our all day space and just 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.400 steps away from the restaurant, is now open in the 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:57.959 morning and Italian breakfast with cornetti, chiambella and cristada from 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:01.360 our pastry kitchen. In the afternoon, ice creamed coops and 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:07.319 River Cafe classic desserts. We have sharing plates Salumi, misti, mozzarella, briusquetta, 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:11.040 red and yellow peppers, Vitello tonado and more. Come in 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:14.240 the evening for cocktails with our resident pianist in the bar. 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:26.400 No need to book. See you here. You grew up 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.480 in this house where your father loved to take you 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.560 to restaurants and to eat, and your mother cared for 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:37.040 you and came home after theater stories and then you 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.800 left home. And did you cook after you left home 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.280 for yourself or did you go home to eat. 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:45.000 Or I that's when I really started to learn how 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:48.360 to cook. I went I graduated from school in New 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.520 York City, and I went to UC Santa Barbara, all 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.160 the way across the country, and my father was in 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.920 Santa Monica a lot, and I would come home for 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:00.160 weekends or you know, for some good food, and we 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.720 would cook together a lot. And that's when we both 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:06.960 really started cooking. And that's when the Food Network was 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:12.000 just amazing and really instructional and tactical. And we would 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.720 watch you know, the food the Food Network and learn 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.760 things and try them out, and or we would go 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:19.680 out to there was a restaurant in Venice that was 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.680 kind of legendary called seventy two Market Street, and we 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.960 would go there, and or sheen Wah on Maine, which 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:30.720 is a Wolfgang Puck French fusion Chinese restaurant that I 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.800 still love to this day. So there's like a couple 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.280 places that he would that he loved that we would 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.520 go to. But we also cooked a lot. 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:39.800 And so do you do that with your children? Do 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:40.560 you cook with them? 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:40.920 I do? 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:42.200 I love both of them. 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.800 Are I cook for both? I cook? You know, Apple's 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.880 really interesting because now she's kind of very independent and 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.800 she likes to cook for herself a lot so, and 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.800 she's vegetarian, and she has like really specific food ideas 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.680 which is so great and I love. I would say 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.480 what she asked me to make still for her the 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:05.640 most is lemon pasta. She went through a real like fetichini, 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:10.360 alfredo face and breakfast potatoes. She asked, that's probably what 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.240 she asked me to make the most these days. And 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.080 then moses, you know, during the week, I don't. I 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:18.600 don't have time to cook very much. But I cook 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.320 kind of all weekend long, and I really love it, 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:25.160 especially Friday nights. It's like how I transition from my 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:29.800 week to being like a woman in a body. 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:31.680 And did they cook with you or do they? 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:32.720 Yeah, they do? 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:33.600 They cook for them. 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:37.480 I mean, Apple will definitely cook with me. Moses will help, yeah, 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.160 but I mostly cook for them. I mean, I think 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.000 they like being especially because when we were living in 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:48.040 London and I was before I started Goop, I cooked 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:52.440 all the meals and so they really they have nostalgia 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.440 around me cooking them all the meals, and so I 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.200 think there's I think especially Moses. Sometimes she's like, why 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.520 are you making me food? 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:04.080 You just love? Do you think that you're interested in 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:06.480 cooking for them? Does come from your own childhood or 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:06.880 I do? 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:11.920 Because it was such an unabashed expression of my father's 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.160 love for us, like there was no denying it. And 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:18.560 when someone is so excited about like the seer on 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.760 their baby back ribs, you know, and like look at this, 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.840 Look what I did. You know, it's so imbued with 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.120 love that you can't It's undeniable, and so you learn 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.800 it as a love language. I just had this weegind 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:31.360 I at a house full of people at our house 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.760 in Santa Barbara, and I was making all these different 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:37.520 breakfasts and you know, my friends are like, oh my god, 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:39.160 we feel so terrible, and I was like, no, you 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.880 don't understand, Like this is my love language. Like I'm 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:43.120 so happy doing this. 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:45.640 Did you travel with your parents, Did you go to 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:47.080 Italy or Spain or. 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:51.480 We never went to Italy until you know, the first 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:55.760 time I ever went to Italy with my father he 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.680 was when he died. He died in Florence, he died, 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.359 he died in Rome, and we were doing our first 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:09.800 kind of road trip after my thirtieth birthday. And yeah, 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:13.520 he kind of died on me, which complicated the trip. 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.159 Does it complicate Italy for you? 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.280 It did complicate Italy for me for a long time. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:26.120 I didn't go back for ten years. And when we 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.399 were on our road trip and I found out that 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.399 he was sick and he had been coughing up blood, 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:32.080 and I said, we have to go to the hospital. 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:33.560 You know, he'd been hiding it for me because he 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.560 didn't want He really wanted to finish our trip. And 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:38.880 I was like, this is so, we're going to the hospital. 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:40.199 And he was like, no, we got to get to 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.760 the Splendido. He really was trying, and I was like, 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.200 we're not going to the like, we're going to the hospital. 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:49.320 And he ended up dying. And then I had a 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.040 real aversion to Italy for a long time. And then 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:56.520 very sweetly Chris Martin, my first husband, on my fortieth 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:59.640 birthday ten years later, and I was having a lot 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.840 of anxiety about it anyway, because I think turning forty. 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:04.960 I I'm about to turn fifty and I kind of 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.400 don't give a but forty I was like, really had 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:13.040 so much anxiety about it. And he by that point, 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.600 I had the two kids, and we got on a 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.960 plane and I didn't know where we were going, and 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.840 we all of a sudden, I realized we were landing 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:24.400 in Genoa and that we were going to the Splendido, 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:28.399 which was so sweet. It was such a nice surprise. 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:33.000 So it was like a completion, but it was. But 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:36.480 Jake was with me, and my two best friends Mary 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.040 and Julia, who've been my best friend since one since 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.080 I was four and one since I was eleven. They 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:43.439 were with me, and they my father was like a 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.040 father to them too, So it was it ended up 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.560 being a really beautiful experience that we all got to 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:52.040 be there and kind of come full circle. And now 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.919 I'm you know, we bought a little farmhouse in Umbria, 0:18:55.000 --> 0:19:01.040 so just south of the Tuscan border. Great food, Yeah. 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:05.480 Black tuffles in the fall. You have lentils, some you know, boar, 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.600 it's great. I know, it's really it's a really special place. 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.600 So I'm excited to spend more time there and to 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.000 learn some Italian. But what about Spain of. 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:18.439 France, Spain so France. Well I kind of told this 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.520 like now now it's kind of a famous story about 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:26.000 my dad taking me. My mom was doing a filming 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.360 something in London when I was ten. We still lived 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.320 in Los Angeles, and we all made the trip over 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:34.720 to visit her, and then my dad took me to 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:39.040 Paris for the weekend and just he and I, and 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.800 we stayed at the Ritz and we went to the 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:43.399 Pompey Dou, We went to the Louver, we went to 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.679 all museums, and my main thing was that I wanted 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:53.359 to eat French fries, like actual French fries. So that 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:55.320 was the first thing we did when we checked into 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:59.520 the hotel, is that I ordered French fries. And he 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:01.560 took me all around, you know, we were eating all 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:05.960 kinds of things. And on the way back to London, 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.080 he said, do you know why I took you to Paris, 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.879 just you and I? And I said no, and he said, 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:17.119 because I wanted you to see Paris for the first 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:19.359 time with a man who will always love you no 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:19.879 matter what. 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:27.080 So sweet. I mean, what you've been talking about is 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:31.560 memories of a man who loved food, loved you, wanted 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:35.720 to take you and indulge in new experiences to do 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:38.600 with eating and cooking and spending time with you. And 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:42.040 I think that you know, that is about what we do. 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:44.920 Food is memory and food is love. You know, it's 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:47.920 really and that's what you're doing with your children and 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:50.720 what we keep doing. And your grandmother. So many people 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:53.199 I've talked to really talk about their grandmothers, you know, 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:56.600 because I think, again, I do it with my grandchildren. 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.600 I know that you know, if you're working mother, you're 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:02.160 trying to get through the day or it's like a struggle, 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:04.520 and the can mother is a place you want them 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.560 to remember your food. You want them to you want 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:10.440 to spoil them and give them loops fruit loops and 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:14.040 also a recipe that they'll cook they're gone. 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:17.240 It's true. I often think about that, think about the 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.560 food legacy of a family and what dishes go from 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.640 generation to generation. And there's also seems to be such 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:26.920 a specific flavor profile. You know, It's like if I 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.439 cook something. You know, my kids like the way I 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:32.880 cook something as opposed to anybody else, even if it's 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:36.080 you know, like there were all following the same recipe. 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:48.919 Of course, should we just talk about the food that 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:51.720