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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: back with you, Buck. I mean, I feel like I

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Speaker 1: Our good buddy Bruce Felman joined the show. Bruce. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I've heard some people in these press conferences and the

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Speaker 1: it really imploded, and then obviously they went Dan Mullen

426
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Speaker 1: and that worked a little and then that imploded. I

427
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 1: think he's different from Billy Nap, Billy Billionapor is different

428
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Speaker 1: from mcawaane just in that, yes, he has all the

429
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 1: similar blueprints offensive guys been under sabing. He is such

430
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Speaker 1: a grinder. I think he will recruit much better than

431
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Speaker 1: both of those guys did, and everything I've heard, he's

432
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: really good about developing a culture, and I think that's

433
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Speaker 1: that's something that's sorely lacking at UF for a while.

434
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 1: I think it's a really good higher And they were

435
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 1: scrambling because they had to beat Virginia Tech to position

436
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 1: to get him, and so credits to Scott Strip and

437
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 1: they pull that off with Matt Campbell, it looks like,

438
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see what happens. Made me notre dame

439
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: for Matt Campbell, but if if nothing happens in this

440
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 1: cycle on the college side with as many guys as

441
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 1: they as they lost, and we saw that, you know,

442
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: the video of him hugging is his seniors on Senior

443
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 1: Day of really emotional stuff. Do you think this is

444
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 1: the year that he entertains the NFL? Stuff. Um. If

445
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: that comes his wife, it's a good thought. I mean,

446
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's as impressive a coach as

447
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 1: I've been around. You know, who's under who's under fifty

448
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: or whatever. Let's say that he's just like he's to me,

449
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 1: he's very authentic. You can feel him. Those kids playing

450
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: their butts off for him, right. And I think he's

451
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 1: so good at development, like he was probably going to

452
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Speaker 1: be the head coach at USC. I think Lincoln Riley

453
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 1: didn't jump on that, right, I mean, it was seemed

454
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: like it was headed in that direction. It went in

455
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: a different direction. You know. Look to me, there's two

456
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: big jobs out there. I think he would be a

457
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Speaker 1: good fitted either Oklahoma, where he is the three time

458
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: Big twelve coach of the Year and he beat Lincoln

459
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: a couple of times and almost beat him a third time.

460
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: I think they lost by one point in Norman. Or

461
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 1: you know, the Ohio guy can go to Notre Dame,

462
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: where I think he fits really well in South Bend.

463
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: And if Notre Dame hires him and wants to go

464
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: that route, then they don't have to wait on Luke

465
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: Fickle from you know. And so I think, and you

466
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Speaker 1: don't worry about what's happening to your roster. I think

467
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: he can build to me. And again, you know I

468
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 1: talked to This is from UM an NFL source I

469
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: got who said he thought there could be as many

470
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: as eight openings head coaching openings, which is a ton.

471
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: I was not expecting that, man. I was like, Okay,

472
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: I figured it might yeah, And when I heard that

473
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: this was Saturday, UM, I was starting to think. And

474
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Speaker 1: it's like he would be as good as anybody. I

475
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: think in terms of like some of these guys who

476
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,160
Speaker 1: haven't you know, Urban and some of these other guys

477
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: who haven't worked out, I almost think it's because they

478
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: come in thinking they know more than like the stuff

479
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: that maybe makes them work great in college because they're

480
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: really confident. I think they know better than everybody else

481
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: can backfire when they get to the NFL. Like and

482
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: I don't think that's Matt Campbell. I look, I don't

483
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: think that's Dave Randa either. By the way, I'm not

484
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: saying he's leaving to go, but like, there are certain

485
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: guys who have studied the NFL and who are so

486
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: ingrained into like the football piece of it, that I

487
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: think they can thrive or some of the other guys

488
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: who are stand at the podium guys and big presence

489
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: and everything, like sometimes I feel like they can get

490
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: in their own way. Yeah. I think there's also the

491
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: you get of the illusion of talent a little bit

492
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 1: where you can begin to think this is me and

493
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: look what I've done, and it's like, no, there's no

494
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,719
Speaker 1: parody in college football. You've got twenty guys on your

495
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 1: team that are better than one any guy on the

496
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: other team. Like this, this is parity and talent. Right,

497
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: Like Urbans comment about we're playing Alabama every week is

498
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: exactly like that's truth here. I'm like, it was like

499
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 1: the I C ghost thing from Sam Donald, Right, it

500
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: was like it's true because when and look, DJ, I

501
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 1: think you said this to me maybe on this podcast

502
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: um about Zack Wilson, Right, it was like, how many

503
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: games have these people been in where they have less

504
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: bullets in their gun than they I know that wasn't

505
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: quite analogy, just like there's something to that, Like how

506
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: many times has Matt Campbell been in games where he

507
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: doesn't have the the roster. I know he's beating a

508
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: bunch of top ten teams, though, how many times has

509
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: has Urban been in games? And I'm not I don't

510
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: want to disparage Urban when I say this, but this

511
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: sounds like this is what I'm doing. Um, how many

512
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: times has he been in games when he was at

513
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: Ohio State where he had the lesser roster, Maybe against

514
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 1: the Obama nobody against the count them on one hand,

515
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: I can promise you that yeah, maybe against Clemson once. Um,

516
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: and maybe even not. I mean, look at the NFL

517
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 1: talent that they had there. So and that doesn't mean

518
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: he's not He's not a terrific coach. He obviously recruited

519
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: those players. But I think with the NFL it's a

520
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: different animal. Bruce, are you surprised the direction that Virginia

521
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: Tech maygo? It's looking like they hired the defensive coordinator

522
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: from Penn State? Are you surprised but they hire at all? Uh?

523
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: A little bit, but you know they He's done a

524
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: good job at Penn State, right. I think you look

525
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: at the players that have come from there, it's a

526
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: loaded group of Like I mean, you know, I watched

527
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: NFL is like Michael Parsons man combine stars every year

528
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: the Pens. Yeah, Michael Parsons is like, who's the comp

529
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: for him now, Lawrence Taylor. I mean, and and you

530
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Speaker 1: know guy in the Ravens, you know, oh As just

531
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: freak is making big plays and they have guys they're like,

532
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: they keep coming, and I think, you know, Brent probably

533
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: is a big part of that. Look, Brent Fry couldn't

534
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: turn you know me or DJ into Michael Parsons. I

535
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: mean that, you know, somebody else gets credit for that

536
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: part of it. But I think he's really good and

537
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: he has ties to the area. I think what happened

538
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Speaker 1: with Virginia Tech is there was a bunch of guys,

539
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: including Billy Naper, who I think they were looking at.

540
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: I mean, at one point it was like Sunny Dikes.

541
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: Early on in the process, everybody kind of knew Sonny

542
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: Dougs was going to stay local and go to TCU.

543
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: But it's a good higher I think we'll see this

544
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: is one of those where it's like, I think he's

545
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: done a good job. But again, you know, like there's

546
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunity there. They went, you know, like

547
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, a lot of people think

548
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: this is the second best job in the A c C.

549
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: By the way, after Clemson so there's good resources. I

550
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: had wondered if there was going to go after Charles Huff,

551
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: who is who's also a Penn State guy, not far

552
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: removed from being a Penn State who's done a nice

553
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,239
Speaker 1: job in his first year at Marshall and he has

554
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: huge ties down there. But they went for for Brent

555
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: Prye and and um, you know, I think that's a

556
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: pretty good higher I think. So I've been going through

557
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: looking at the draft history here with Penn State because

558
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: I was trying to make a joke about the uh

559
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: who was the white safety Yes, thank you, like a

560
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: little yes lucky. There's um gisicky. There's just like it's

561
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: a it's guys all tests like freaks. Yeah. I mean

562
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: like whenever I do that Freaks list, I would always

563
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: get a lot of skepticism about the always numbers are ridiculous, right,

564
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: and people like, yeah, that's total b S. And I

565
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm I'm not going that way because

566
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: those guys show up an Indie and they do better

567
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 1: than that, right. You know, It's like it's happy, you know,

568
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: like there are guys who were there. I mean obviously

569
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: se Quan was was you know, ridiculous athlete, right, and

570
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: SoJ Hamler is a four two guys A J. Hamler

571
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: was was ridiculous. I mean, who's the other receiver they

572
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: had there who like tested really well? He's a good

573
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: NFL player. I don't know if it's Godwin maybe, but

574
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: there was someone there who was like, well, don't give

575
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: his athleticism and not like if we'll, if we'll Levis,

576
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: it's Robinson, you know we'll. Levis would probably be the

577
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: guy whould wow people in Indie, you know. So look,

578
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: Franklin has done a really really good job recruiting and

579
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: evaluating talent there and obviously their strength coach. I can't

580
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: get enough credit for how good those guys come out

581
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: of there. I want to hit you with this one.

582
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: We'll let you run because I know you've been crazy busy. Um,

583
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: we're seeing now there's a lot of buzz. Aidan Hudginson's

584
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: had a phenomenal year. Um, the kid at Alabama I

585
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: think is the best one in the country, but he's

586
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: not draft eligible, so we have to wait a year

587
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: on him. But with Aidan Hutchinson and I know you've

588
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: written about him, uh and on the freak stuff Bruce

589
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: and then you look at We've talked about up there

590
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: at Oregon with Thibodeaux, Like, what what are some of

591
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: the things that as our listeners who are starting to

592
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: get excited and juiced up for the draft, what are

593
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: some things about those two kids in particular, and how

594
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: would you kind of break that down with the with

595
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: the race between those two Well, I think it'll start

596
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: with Aiden because he just had an amazing game last

597
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: week and I think it's worked out really well. But

598
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: credits are hardbot for this because he gets he gets

599
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: for a boy, a lot of people. He hired Mike

600
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: McDonald off his brother staff. Nobody really knew who he was.

601
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: You guys might have, but nobody else did, and he

602
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: is put that put these guys in better positions to thrive, right.

603
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: David Jaba on the other side, I mean, he's not

604
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: as big as you know, but he is super explosive

605
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: to that's a problem for for offenses. And I think, like,

606
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta tip my hat to the you know,

607
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: your brother in an NFL scouting because they were the

608
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: ones who were like you really need to make some

609
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: more calls about Aidan Hutchinson, Like there was a lot

610
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: of buzz about how hard he works and what he

611
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: was developing into an ann Arbor kind of you know.

612
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: You know, he was the number two guy in my

613
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: Freaks list, behind Evan Neil, and I could easily have

614
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: made a case for him to be the number one guy.

615
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: He know, he's super explosive, He's got really good length,

616
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: he is relentless, right you want to you know, all

617
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: the cliches about motor or whatever, you say, whatever you want.

618
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: This guy just makes a ton of plays and it

619
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: is really disruptive. The part that I feel and I'm

620
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: not saying he should be the first pick in the

621
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: draft over Thibodeaux, but he has shown up in big games.

622
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: When Ohio State got beat by Oregon, Thibodeau wasn't able

623
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: to play in that game. Right, So here's what I

624
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: would say this weekend, in the packed full title game

625
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: you taught is going to play Oregon, Hey, Cavn, Thibodeau

626
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: needs to show up. It will be plenty of stuff

627
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: you guys will have on film, like his freshman year.

628
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: My crew did a game Friday night game Oregon cal

629
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: and I'm on the sidelines and there was a play

630
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: where it was like I don't want to say Miles

631
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: Garrett caause Miles Garrett's you know, way biggernger, but really ridiculous.

632
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: Like I got a coffee table here, and Myles Garrett

633
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: could run under it probably, and and Thibodeau did that

634
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: to the right tackle of cal I don't know. I'm

635
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: not saying the right tackle is an NFL guy, but

636
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: just you know, you just watch it, You're like, holy cow,

637
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: look at that guy. You know, bend and explode um.

638
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: But you know, and he's been disruptive. He was super

639
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: disruptive against U C. L A. But the other guy,

640
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: I've now seen it on a big, big stage, the

641
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: prominent I'm very interested by is. I don't know if

642
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: Thibodeaux is even the biggest wow guy on the defensive

643
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: side of the ball for Oregon. I think brother Noah.

644
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: The guys at Oregon told me he could probably play

645
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: almost every position on the field. He could play quarterback,

646
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: he can play running back, he could be a receiver,

647
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: tight end, go down. I don't you know, it's whatever,

648
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: six to sixty. I don't know what he looked like

649
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: as a cornerback, but he could play safety. I mean,

650
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: they say you can throw the ball sixty five yards

651
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: or whatever, Like he is a wow guy, but he's

652
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: in a different position on the defense right. Um, so

653
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: again not to I'm not knocking Cabon. I think cavan

654
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: Is is smart. I think he's gonna be a good

655
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: asset for whoever takes him in that community because I

656
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: know of some of the things that are you know,

657
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: he cares about. It's just man Hutchinson shows up in

658
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: a big way. Again, if if they could all come out,

659
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: I don't know how you wouldn't say the guy and

660
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: will Anderson and Tuscaloosa. He's a different He's a different level.

661
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: I mean, and everybody knows he's coming. I mean, he

662
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: may end up with thirty five tackles for loss on

663
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: the season. Who does that? Nobody at this level. By

664
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: the way, I'll last one. I said the last one already,

665
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: but sorry, but last one to sneak one more in here.

666
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: I was, I didn't have to ask a question. Yeah,

667
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: I don't know he's the best player, Like, if that's

668
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: what the Trophia is what I've seen, it's not he's

669
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: the best player in the country. Is not even close. Yeah,

670
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: if I have a top five right now, because we

671
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: don't have to have our top three in yet, you know,

672
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: I'm you know, it's will Anderson Hutchinson because how hard

673
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: he has played. Kenneth Walker still there for me, the

674
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: running back from Michigan State. I don't know what to

675
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: do with Georgia, right, and this is this is a

676
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: good thing for them, But it's like, yeah, like, you know,

677
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: you at these guys like I love you know. Part

678
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: of it is like Nakobe Dean is super dynamic. Nikobe Dean, Yeah,

679
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: that's a good one, you know. Like and the other

680
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: thing that he has, Vilmo is also like super smart

681
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: in the classroom. This guy's like a mechanical engineering major,

682
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: you know. Like the other the other guys they have

683
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: are bigger, right, Like kay Walker's bigger and I'm forgetting

684
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: this the other linebacker I'm thinking about, Like those guys

685
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: are more rocked up, you know, six to forty guys

686
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: are bigger, and he's not that. But pick your guy

687
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: for Georgia. But I think they deluded um. So then

688
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: we get back to look if Bryce Young, though, leads

689
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: them to win over Georgia. Bryce Young's winning the Heisman.

690
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: His numbers are really good, you know, But if they

691
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: don't win. I don't know what's going to happen in

692
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: the Heisman. I think it's gonna be You're gonna have

693
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: so many defensive guys get some votes. But is that

694
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: going to be enough? Yeah, fascinating man, Bruce. Who would

695
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: you guys vote? I would vote for will Anderson. He's

696
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: the best player to the point where, like one of

697
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: first games I popped on, you know, a few months ago,

698
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: starting to draft stuff, and I was looking at Alabama

699
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: guys and I immediately and Bucky's done us a million

700
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: times to you immediately get on the internet, I go, Holy,

701
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: is this guy draft eligible? Who's this guy? Like? He's not,

702
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: but he looks different. He looks different everybody else out there, Bucky,

703
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: I think. I think. I think Bryce Young the moment

704
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: that everyone had a chance to see at the end

705
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: of the iron Ball, I think that's the deal. If

706
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: they cap it off and he somehow finds a way

707
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: to win the game against Georgia, I think it's a

708
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: done deal. I think he hasn't winning it's if so.

709
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: By the way, just while I got you guys on

710
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: so you just mentioned about Will Anderson. My my guy

711
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: in that category is is Ikey from N'ze State, Like

712
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: he wasn't in the draft last year, but everybody I

713
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: talked to was an old line coach in the A

714
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: C C kind of the NC State guy. Is Ikey

715
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: a top fifteen pick? Oh? The I saw him? Yeah,

716
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: I mean he was okay. He was okay the other night,

717
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: like against Carolina, he gave up. He gave us some

718
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: he gave us some pressures that you normally would think

719
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: a top dude would do. I mean he's talented. I

720
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: don't know, as I don't know a question. Do you

721
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: where you down on NC steaate guys always? Or is

722
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: that I know where he went to school? No? No, no, no,

723
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't always down. I'm not always down.

724
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: Made an exception for Mario Williams. That was that first No,

725
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: like I have my like my best friend from high

726
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: school played played there. I can I can cast the

727
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: side the guitar heel blue vision and give NC State

728
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: their props when when necessary. It's just hard for me

729
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: to give them their props office. I did that linement early.

730
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: I haven't watched that game yet. Against ever Neil, I

731
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 1: love him, but he's had some some he's not. He's not.

732
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: He's not kind of what his reputation is. Um, I've

733
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: done him. I did him earlier this year. But he's

734
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: a He's a good player, but like some of the

735
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: I don't know that, and you posted all the numbers. Obviously,

736
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: I think he was the number one guy in your

737
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: freaks list. Yeah. I don't know that all of that translates,

738
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: um from from what I've seen, but know that, how

739
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: do you pronounce his name? Mkwantun? Yeah? No, I I

740
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: gave him a really strong grade. I just watched two

741
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 1: games row this year, Clemson in Mississippi State, and that dude.

742
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: I mean when you write the word nasty down and

743
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: you start about eight times, um, and those two games

744
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: like he's he is a gnarly finisher. Um. I thought

745
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: he could recover. I thought he can bend. Um. He's aware. No,

746
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: I liked him. I mean, I gave him a big grade.

747
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: I've only done two games, so I'll get more on him.

748
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: But I thought he was pretty darned good. I'm gonna

749
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: send you some video. We could not run it with

750
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: our story on him. In the spring of his coach

751
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: sent me something where Ikey ended up in a the

752
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: anchor leg of a four by one hundred and like

753
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,959
Speaker 1: whatever he was to eighty or three hundred at the time,

754
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: and Ikey runs down some guy who's probably like my size.

755
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: And this guy didn't look like he was particularly fast

756
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: for being in that leg either. I forgot what you know.

757
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: But you hear this coach just losing his stuff, screaming

758
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: because Ikey's running this guy down at three hundred pounds.

759
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: The quality of the video bad, but the emotion of

760
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: the coach seeing his guy I run down somebody at

761
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: this size was just like you almost get goose bumps

762
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: from it. Oh that's phenomenal. Um, all right, Bruce, you're

763
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: the best man. We've kept you long. We appreciate your time. Um,

764
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: I get back to it because I'm sure there's probably

765
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: similar blue blood program getting ready to lose a head coach,

766
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: you know? Yeh like it? All right? HOPEFU, I'll see

767
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: you guys out at the Mountain West title game this weekend.

768
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: Yeah that's Parson, all right, Hey, go go app State

769
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: babies focused, Come see camp Thomas. I know he can

770
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: rush a little bit. Um. Look, look, Napier's not focused.

771
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: He's in He's in Gainesville. His heads all over the place.

772
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: We're gonna go get our eleventh win, win another something.

773
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: Just make sure you're kicking the donor chips so you

774
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: don't lose your head, coach. Oh no, Sean's not going

775
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: Come on, Sean's app guy, We're good. Okay, thanks Bruce,

776
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: Hey Buck, I mean he's Bruce is the best. Um,

777
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: He's He's come on with this dozens of times. But

778
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: I don't know that I've ever been more excited to

779
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 1: have him on than today. With with all this news,

780
00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: we've had no great insight. He obviously, um the stands

781
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: everything that's going into the college game, behind the scenes stuff. Um.

782
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: I think even he was shocked at the amount of

783
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: turnover and stuff that we've seen take place in college football,

784
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: particularly with the top programs. And I just wonder how

785
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: this is going to continue to impact the game at

786
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: um at all levels. Not only in terms of like, hey,

787
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: who wins and losers? But um, we have seen the

788
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: transfer report become a thing that pops like popcorn, with

789
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: guys jumping around and hopping places. How much more do

790
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: we see that occur in terms of like these big

791
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: time players leaving going to other programs, programs kind of

792
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: pilfering smaller programs to get experienced players to go play

793
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: and jump started. I mean, we've already seen it. Um

794
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: happened successfully with what Michigan State was able to do

795
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: under Mail Tucker and the way he utilized the transfer reporter.

796
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: Like some other programs, they have to jump start um

797
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: a situation. But now, man, the gloves are off, all

798
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: hands on deck. I mean it is it is going

799
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: to be aske really crazy trying to keep up with

800
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: the moves that are going to take place. Nanda. We've

801
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: seen so much movement amost of coaching brinks. Yeah, I mean,

802
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 1: I think you used to be in a situation where

803
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: you at one of these jobs, a noted name or

804
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma, and you're a fan and you're winning and

805
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 1: you're playing good football. You don't go to bed worried

806
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: about your coach leaving unless maybe the NFL came calling.

807
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: That's about it. But um, these guys leaving for other

808
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: college jobs. I think that was the big shocker and

809
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: this whole thing. But it's it's you know, it's one thing.

810
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: It's it's tough on the student athletes, But I'm telling you,

811
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: this is such a different environment now with the transfer

812
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: portal compared to what it used to be. There's freedom

813
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: now for these guys that didn't exist previously when we

814
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: were coming through college. No this freedom, But I think

815
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: there's another reminded, man is big business, and we saw

816
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: the number escalating. We knew this and I won't say

817
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: that some of these moves are direct reaction to Militucker

818
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: getting the nine million dollar deal, but the domino started

819
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: following a couple of weeks ago when Dad came out.

820
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: You saw James Franklin get to do You've seen other

821
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: handful of other coaches get big deals, David Horanda and man,

822
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: when the money got up to that certain point, it

823
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: makes you rethink some of the choices that you may

824
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: make when it comes to where you coach at and

825
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: so from Brian Kelly, for Lincoln Riley, for those guys,

826
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 1: great opportunities, great situations. But man, I'm sure the cash

827
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: had a fact didn't hurt Yeah, It certainly didn't hurt me. Yeah.

828
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: So it's one of those things that we have to

829
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: get comforted with, like that's the big business of it.

830
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: The interesting thing though, now we're seeing these lengthy deals

831
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: DJ eight to tenure deals, and I hope it doesn't

832
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: go south. With big money, it kind of pens the

833
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: college program into are we made this choice, we gotta

834
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: ride this out for a long time. If it doesn't

835
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: go right, that is that is a different that's a

836
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: different hustle. Yeah. The other thing though, I think people

837
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: look at and say, wow, they left because the money,

838
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, which um obviously factors into it. But I

839
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: think what you're saying too is when when they've invested

840
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: that much in you, you know, they can say, oh,

841
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna expectations that. Yeah, but you're gonna get a

842
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: little time now. And the other thing is when you

843
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: go to them and say, hey, we need X, Y

844
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: and Z to compete your pot committed. Now you already

845
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: paying the head coach that much, then you might as

846
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: well just scratch a couple other million dollar checks to

847
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 1: be able to do what you need to do facility

848
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: wise or what have you to compete on a recruiting front. Man,

849
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: it ain't it's not even facilities DJ Imagine what you're

850
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: gonna have to pay the coordinators and the things in

851
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: your stuff. Because word word has already leaked out about

852
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly has contacted Marcus Freeman after the A D

853
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: talked about anyone who's the inner and wanting to I

854
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: want to buy the way. I don't know if I

855
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: would have made that comment, what what are we doing? Like, so,

856
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: hold up, if you could go, if you're if you're Freeman,

857
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: you go, Okay, I take over as the interim head coach.

858
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: You get a couple of losses by you know, Alabama

859
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: or whoever else, and you're in the playoff and he

860
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: goes and wins the national championship and Notre Dame and

861
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: you're like, well, you're not eligible for it. You're just

862
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: the interim coach. Really, that's what you're gonna do. Say

863
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: something you don't need to say if it was then necessary.

864
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: And so they've been. But imagine the money because they

865
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 1: said that he's already put out there that he would

866
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: make him the highest paid defensive coordinator. Yeah. So so

867
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: now DJ like it's all the costs escalate coordinators, position coaches,

868
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: and as that goes up, everyone around him they go up.

869
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: So uh for coaches around the around the country, like

870
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be great because they have more money

871
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: for everybody, But man, it just changes it just changes.

872
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: It's so absolutely crazy. All right, let's let's bring in

873
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: another guest here, um, who is well equipped to talk

874
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: on this. We have our good buddy, Jim Naggy, who

875
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: is the uh what is he? The senior director of

876
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: the recent Senior Bowl and he's got a fancy title.

877
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: He runs a Senior Bowl, is is what he does,

878
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: and he is a good friend, longtime friend. UM. So

879
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna run a little bit of our conversation we

880
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: had with him about what's taking place with all this

881
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: coaching stuff, and then stay tuned for Thursday, will run

882
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: the second half of that conversation, which is going to

883
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: be Senior Bowl centric and talking about that game and

884
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: and all that they have set up there again. Executive

885
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: director of the Resei Senior Bowl. That's a fancy titl there, Jim. Um,

886
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna get to our conversation with Jim

887
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: Maggie right after this. Jim appreciates taking the time for

888
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: us again today, man, Uh, I want to get your

889
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: thoughts on this craziness that we've seen in this college

890
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: football cycle. Have you can you remember anything and all

891
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: the time you've been doing this scouting and been around

892
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 1: college football anything like this. Ever, No, I can't, uh,

893
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, and this is kind of a busy time

894
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: right now for us here at Senior Bowl, just talking

895
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: to college coaches and uh, you know, I put a

896
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: tweet out last week that I thought we're coming up

897
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: on seventy two hours of craziness, and uh, it definitely

898
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: came to fruition and not again, some of it was unexpected.

899
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: Some of the moves I didn't see coming. Um, I

900
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: knew there was gonna be a lot, but yeah, this is,

901
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: uh what a crazy couple of few days. Yeah, crazy, Jim.

902
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: So let's think about it this way. Let's imagine you

903
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: being a part of a stat is maybe the team

904
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: builder like the GM did all these colleges have. How

905
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: much pressure is now on that role, Nan that we're

906
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: seeing the money escalate and the expectations also escalate, because

907
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, the more the the compensation, the greaded expectations

908
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: in today's game, Well, well, first and foremost, I mean

909
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: it is three former scouts. We gotta love money being

910
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: pumped into like this has to trickle down this right,

911
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: So we're still waiting, Buddy, no doubt, no doubt, No Bucky,

912
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: that's that's a that's a good question. Yeah. I mean

913
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: with with with the more money, the expectations, and I

914
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: think this whole college landscape has changedes we know, I

915
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: mean with it really the portal. Um, if you just

916
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: bring it back to another something that happened in the

917
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: cycle a couple of weeks ago with melt Tucker getting

918
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: getting his bump, which was awesome to see. I've known

919
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: all a long time. I know you guys have known

920
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: Mel to um. I know him going back to his

921
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: days as a DV coach at Ohio State. So it's

922
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: great to see Mel get that. Um. But he did

923
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: it through the portal. I think that puts a lot

924
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: of more emphasis on portal scouting. And the great thing

925
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: is coming out of some of these conversations about at

926
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: the college level, is they realize that I think what

927
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: Mel did in ace Land saying I think a lot

928
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: of other coaches have taken notice to that situation and

929
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 1: some others um, so it's gonna be a spot for

930
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: you know NFL guys, um that that can land back

931
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: and you know that that maybe it's gonna happen. We're

932
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna get to Black Monday here in the

933
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: NFL pretty soon and things are gonna happen and GM changes. UM,

934
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: that's really a cool new opportunity for schools to you know,

935
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: bring in some former NFL guys. But yeah, I think

936
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: with with the added money is the pressure to win.

937
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: And I think you can do a quick fix through

938
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: the portal um before you can get into full recruiting.

939
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: And you look at some of these situations new coaches

940
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 1: coming in, they're trying to kind of you know, jump

941
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: on board with the new schools recruits, UM, and whether

942
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,479
Speaker 1: they land them or not, it's kind of nice having

943
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: that backup in the portal. I think you bring up

944
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: a great point. First of all, it is it is

945
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: a new opportunity because you now have to have a

946
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: you know, a college scouting department as well as they

947
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: were rooting department. There's two different jobs, just like in

948
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: the NFL with pro and college. Now you've got that

949
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: situation for all these major programs. I'm curious, Jim, what

950
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: do you think about the fact of you know, I

951
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: think of the baseball UM, you know, kind of the

952
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:13,919
Speaker 1: way they do business where you get a chance to

953
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: to draft a high school kid or draft a college kid.

954
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: You almost need your kind of developmental coaches. And maybe

955
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: that's like your assistant on line coach. Maybe it's some

956
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 1: of these you know, other kind of pseudo analyst positions

957
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: are however, much to let those guys coach. But I'm

958
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: gonna take a two d sixty pound offensive lineman and

959
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put him in the oven. I'm gonna let

960
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: our developmental guys work with him for three years and

961
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: then he can help us. But I'm gonna go out

962
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: to the portal and I'm gonna go get the three

963
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: hundred five pound you know junior kid that can come

964
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 1: in and help me rite right away. So he's gonna

965
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: go in the microwaves. It's almost like you've got two

966
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: different styles of development here for your for your group. Yeah,

967
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: that's a great point, and I think that's a good

968
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: thing for the for the Power five programs. If you

969
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: just look at this year's Senior Bowl roster on the

970
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: offensive line, it's gonna look crazy to some people. We're

971
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: gonna have you know, North to Oota and Fordham in

972
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: northern Iowa, and you know a lot of group of fives, Tulsa, Memphis,

973
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: UM Central, Michigan's gonna have. We have two from Central Michigan. So, um,

974
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 1: it looks different from the outside looking in, but those

975
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: schools have really they've gotten the two fifty pound high

976
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: school tight end. They put, you know, good years and

977
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: develop them, getting bigger and stronger, and then you're dealing

978
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: with a higher baseline athlete, you know, four or five

979
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: years later. So um, yeah, I think Power fives can

980
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: do that. Now. It's a great formula. I think it's

981
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, I think in the Power of five schools,

982
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 1: you look at the major the major programs, they've always

983
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: wanted the ready made six six three pound out of

984
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: high school just to plug him and play him. But

985
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: you're not, You're you're maybe not getting the athlete that

986
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: you're gonna, you know, really win with. I think we're

987
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: seeing that. I think you're seeing better offensive line play

988
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: at some of these many majors. Look at Louisiana bringing

989
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: back to Billy Napier and what he's done with like

990
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: the Robert Hunts and the Kevin Dotson's, And we've got

991
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: a guy, this guy Max Mitchell this year in this

992
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: year's game. I mean, that's that's a good offensive line

993
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: pipeline right now. Out of the National Football League got

994
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: of a group of five school and I do think

995
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 1: we'll see more of that. You know, Jim, is funny

996
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: because we've kind of moved into this conversation talking about

997
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: the development of players. I kind of want to run

998
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: something by you because you talked about the changing dynamage

999
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: of the personnel department. Uh, what about the changing nature

1000
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: of strengthening conditioning programs. Not necessarily just a guy that

1001
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: lifts weights and does the running, but how about some

1002
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 1: of these skills specific developmental coaches that you integrate into

1003
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: the strength and conditioning department because you can't have so

1004
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 1: many coaches on the field. But there's nothing that says

1005
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: in the off season that your strength and conditioning staff

1006
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: can't work on those guys when it comes to developing

1007
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: their skills. Yeah. Absolutely, Bucky. Um, I think we've seen

1008
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: you guys have seen it in the NFL the last

1009
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: few years. You've seen more on field concepts being taken

1010
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,439
Speaker 1: from the college level and lifted. I think we're seeing

1011
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of trickle down from the NFL to

1012
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: college when it comes to the sports science part of it. Uh,

1013
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, And I was just getting a taste of

1014
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: that my last couple of years in Seattle before I

1015
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: took this job where we're starting to dive heavy into

1016
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: the sports science and the more position specific modes of training. UM.

1017
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: And I think you're gonna continue see and I think

1018
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: it's great. And you know, just you think about it

1019
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: this way too. With with the NFL guys, I think

1020
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 1: everything's being specialized. I mean, I think the quarterback position

1021
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: we've seen over the years with all the guys that

1022
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: work at that position, But you look across across the board.

1023
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: Now there's offensive line guys, there's there's dB guys, there's

1024
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: white out guys. UM. And again, I know the NFL

1025
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: is mindful of that, just talking to general managers. They

1026
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,479
Speaker 1: know that those guys, those individual coaches that these guys

1027
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,919
Speaker 1: are gonna have from high school through college, they're gonna

1028
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: be a big part of what's happening once they get

1029
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: to the NFL. Those guys actually, if you look at

1030
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: the the NFL calendar, they're gonna spend more time with

1031
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: their individual coaches than they are the team coaches that

1032
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: they have. UM. So I think everything is being more

1033
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: individualized right now, from the training to the coaching. UM.

1034
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 1: I think, and it's great for the players, there's there's less.

1035
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: I think they're I think the d and being um,

1036
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: everyone's being more mindful of these players bodies and their

1037
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: long term health and their long term durability, which is

1038
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: uh again, that's that's that's great for the player. I

1039
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: think that's the futures here. Um. The other day, Jim,

1040
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: when on Monday's show we were talking about SC and

1041
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: the news with Lincoln Riley leaving Oklahoma and going to USC.

1042
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: And I know that you will remember this because I

1043
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: remember being on school calls with you there as Bucky

1044
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: was as well. We were trying to let everybody know

1045
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 1: the difference between a one day visit and a two

1046
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: day visit school. Um, and how it seems like a

1047
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: million years ago, probably aging all three of us here,

1048
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: but we're all old enough to remember. You just mentioned

1049
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: Pete and your time together up in Seattle before there

1050
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: he was at SC and they had that run that

1051
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: s C was a two day visit and they had

1052
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: been able to kind of consolidate all the talent on

1053
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: the West coast and that one school. And I guess

1054
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: I'm getting two ears. I know a lot of the

1055
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: narrative is why would Lincoln Riley leave Oklahoma to go

1056
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: to USC when Oklahoma has had all this success and

1057
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: I still think as great as Okla. Home is at

1058
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: USC when they have the right guy there and they

1059
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: can consolidate the whole West coast. People forget what those

1060
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: USC years were like when Pete was there. Yeah. Yeah, No,

1061
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: And again it was it was a true it was

1062
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: a true two day visit. Right. It wasn't that one

1063
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: not just the weather, not a weather not a weather

1064
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: to day visit either. I just want to hang out

1065
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: in l A for a couple of days. It wasn't

1066
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: that second day where you're getting out of there at lunch.

1067
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was too four o'clock or

1068
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: five o'clock. It was a full two days. But um No,

1069
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: I mean Lincoln did great things in Oklahoma, and that's

1070
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 1: a that's an incredible program. I think they'll still continue

1071
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: to be great even with the Lincoln gone. I mean,

1072
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: that's the infrastructure they have. Um but he made it

1073
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: a college football playoff, but he never kind of got

1074
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: over that hump. I think you're right if they the

1075
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: key is keeping the quarterbacks. You look at around college

1076
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: football with c. J. Stroud and Matt corral And and

1077
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: Bryce Young. I mean, these guys they got to keep

1078
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: the queues home. If they keep the quarterbacks home, they'll

1079
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: keep the receiver's home. Um, there's so much talent there.

1080
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: I mean, what what Pete did there? He proved you

1081
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: can win it all and you can be a absolute power. Um.

1082
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: So I I don't fault I don't fault Lincoln for

1083
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: making that jump because it is that that school is

1084
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: built to win and back, like you know, bringing it

1085
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: back to when we were going there in the scouts.

1086
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: The facilities there have been a hugely upgraded from the

1087
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: time people was there. What what P missing? I miss

1088
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: the old stuff though, Jim, I'll be honest with you,

1089
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: because USC in Miami during that period of time where

1090
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: the two most dominant programs in college football and the

1091
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: two dumpiest facility, the worst facility. You know, if people understood,

1092
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 1: like what they were dealing with from facilities at both

1093
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: and USC through the years was unbelievable. The dungeon in

1094
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: the basement the USC, you wouldn't see the sun until

1095
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: you went up. I mean there's not a window in

1096
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: the building where they were at. So no, that's uh,

1097
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: that's good stuff, you know, Jim is funny because you're

1098
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: sitting down there in the Deep South and there's a

1099
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: lot of conversation. Um. Obviously, DJ and I had coach

1100
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: Kelly on a few weeks ago and we were talking

1101
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: about building a team and those things, and I like,

1102
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: still on the outside, there's some people that can't understand

1103
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: why you potentially make a move from Notre Dame to

1104
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: l s U. When you sit there. Obviously we know

1105
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: the uh, the hot bid that comes from the recruiting

1106
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: and the talent and those things and restrictions because you're

1107
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: in the South. Can you give people a little idea

1108
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: the flavor of football in the South and how important

1109
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: it is not only two kids, but two coaches and

1110
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: everyone around football from the time there and peewee all

1111
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: the way up to college. Yeah, and again football is

1112
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: great across the country and there's there's pockets of real

1113
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: passion throughout the country. I do think the I think

1114
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,479
Speaker 1: the SEC has nailed their motto that it just means

1115
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 1: a little more, and that was I won't name any names,

1116
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: but just being being at a camp this summer um

1117
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: with with some players from around the country that did

1118
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: actually went went from other parts of the country to

1119
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: the SEC. I asked them that, like what made you

1120
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: leave here and go to you know, go to Alabama

1121
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: or go to Georgia. And they're like the recruiting visit,

1122
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: you know, like we went and we went on the

1123
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: visit and it was just different down there. Um. And

1124
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: and it's it's very passionate. Um. What what Brian Kelly

1125
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 1: is getting, you know, getting getting into it at baton rouge. Um.

1126
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: I mean it's a great situation. You've got the whole

1127
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: state lockdown. I feel like you can recruit every position

1128
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: on your team in the state of Louisiana. You you

1129
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: really don't have to go outside the state. Maybe for

1130
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: a couple offensive linemen, maybe for a quarterback here and there, um,

1131
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: but everything else you got right in your backyard. So

1132
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: and he's I mean Notre Dame is very passionate too.

1133
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: So he's going from one situation to another. Um, you know,

1134
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: more of a national passionate fan base to a regional

1135
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: national fan base. Um. But it's gonna be it's gonna

1136
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: be a different field for him. But I know Brian's

1137
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: ready for that. I think it's funny though, I just

1138
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: feel like everybody has such a short term memory that. Uh. Look,

1139
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: it's a rabid fan base with college football and people

1140
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: lose their minds. But I feel like their memories they

1141
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,959
Speaker 1: can't go back because I've seen some of the things.

1142
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: Well the kids that you get it Notre Dame versus

1143
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: the kids that you're gonna get at L s U.

1144
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: It's a different kid. And how's Brian Kelly him relate?

1145
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: And I'm like it was a Grand Valley, he was

1146
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: at Cincinnati, Like those are not Notre Dame type kids

1147
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: at those places. Like just stop. Like it's like people

1148
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: can't look back through somebody's resume and see that they

1149
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: didn't just he didn't just come out of the womb

1150
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: as a Notre Dame head coach like he's got other

1151
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: life experiences here. No. Yeah, and had Central Michigan onto that.

1152
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 1: So I mean that's exact. I go back with Brian

1153
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: Kelly to Grand Valley. Um, so I remember going in

1154
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: there as well. They had they had Keanta Dawson. Do

1155
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: you remember him, a little five ft ten defensive tackle.

1156
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: I think I think I wrote him up as a fullback.

1157
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: Um um uh no, No, that's a that's a good point.

1158
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: And again we see what these Notre Dame players are

1159
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: when they leave the program. And again, we've had a

1160
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: We've had a number of Notre Dame guys in the

1161
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl over the last three years, and they are, um,

1162
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: you know, to a player, some of the most impressive

1163
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: guys we've had in the game. I mean, you're getting

1164
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: guys that are pros. They're ready made pros that what

1165
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: the league's looking for in terms of having their stuff together, right, Like,

1166
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: they they're not gonna neither handheld, um. But we don't

1167
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: know what they're like coming into Notre Dame. Like, yeah,

1168
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: they might have a little bit of you know, a

1169
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: higher academic standard for those guys, but we don't know

1170
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: what we know what they look like coming out, right.

1171
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: So I think the structure that Brian's gonna provide and

1172
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: this is no knock on on what L. S U

1173
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: has been, but I do think there will be a

1174
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: little bit different structure that Ryan brings in a little

1175
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: more discipline. UM. And again we've had L s U

1176
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: guys and they've been great to UM. But again, let's

1177
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: not get focused on it particularly. I mean players are players.

1178
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: Kids are kids. I mean the three of us have kids,

1179
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: right that are at at that age. I mean, it

1180
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: doesn't matter where you come from or I mean, kids

1181
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: are kids, and I think you get them as an

1182
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: eighteen year old and you you put them in the

1183
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: right environment. By the time they're twenty two years old,

1184
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: they are going to see some change. I think Brian

1185
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: will do a great job of that. Mag's the best.

1186
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you can have a

1187
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: better podcast Little Daily Double there than have Bruce Feldman

1188
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: and Jim Naggy to talk on all the craziness that

1189
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: is a college football right now. No, I don't think.

1190
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you talked about two guys who are welcome

1191
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: that the two guys who really understand it, Jim Naggy

1192
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: in particularly, And I think it's great his perspective, not

1193
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,959
Speaker 1: only in his current role as a senior director extraordinary

1194
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: of the Senior Bowl, but being a former scout who

1195
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: has kind of done this thing, done the dirty work,

1196
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: had to do school calls and visits, just knowing what

1197
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: it looks like the inner workings. I think his perspective

1198
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: is outstanding. Taking down memory Lane, by the way, going

1199
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: back to those two day visit discussions, Yeah, man, those

1200
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: are some long days. Man. I just remember sitting in there.

1201
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: I just remember going to sc in particularly just sitting

1202
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: down in the bottles of heritage all and just trying

1203
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: to just run through the tape and getting all the

1204
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: numbers right and trying to figure out who's who and

1205
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: what's what. Oh, they got eleven guys on defense to watch? Okay,

1206
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: how can I organize my paper to make sure I

1207
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: have notes on everybody? And it takes me all the

1208
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: way back to remember when Matt Castle came out and yeah,

1209
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: also had and played, and I remember I remember the

1210
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: pro day Matt Russell goes and they working. I'm like,

1211
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: man on the side field, come over the other field.

1212
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: What we're doing? Like? Do I need to walk over

1213
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: to that guy? Dosn't? He doesn't have any snaps? And

1214
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: then he goes and plays and plays at high level. Yeah,

1215
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: but that's how talented um? And see what did I

1216
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: ever tell you about Lyndall White hiding from me? No?

1217
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: What's that story? Okay? So DJ, We're at the Panthers

1218
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: and this is a year. Right, we're gonna take a

1219
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: running back, right, we need we need to take a

1220
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: running back, like we want a big back. We need

1221
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: we need a guy and we don't have a forty

1222
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: time on them. Yeah remember that. So we've gone, we've

1223
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: had dinner with him and all that he has a

1224
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: hamstring issue real or not. And I'm I'm calling like

1225
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: and Dale like, dude, I gotta get a forty time.

1226
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: I gotta get a forty on you, like, just come

1227
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: out with just with're like, come out just no dice.

1228
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: I can't get a return. I'm like the jil boyfriend

1229
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: who can't just get can't get a phone called anything like.

1230
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: He never ran for it. So DJ, when it came

1231
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: time to talk about him, we could drop. We couldn't

1232
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: drop contract. We didn't have anything. We couldn't keep him

1233
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: on the board because we didn't have a forty time on.

1234
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: My advice, my advice to uh, you know, if I

1235
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: was ever an agent, my advice would be, if if

1236
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: you know you're slow, right, you know, no matter how

1237
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: much training and you've been, you've been getting times in

1238
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: your training and you know you're slow, don't run. Here's

1239
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: the thing. I'd rather have them think you're slow, then

1240
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: have them no, you're have a confirmed the difference. There's

1241
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: a difference there because I can talk myself into my

1242
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: grade and be like, I don't he maybe not, he's

1243
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: four eight, you know, four six here's but here's another thing, tho, DJ,

1244
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: here's the other thing though. As a scout, you have

1245
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: fallen in love with the prospect and you are controlling

1246
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: the clock. You have the pencil in the pad, and

1247
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,919
Speaker 1: you're at the pro day workout and you know, hey, man,

1248
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: this dude cannot come me in at four six or higher. Yeah,

1249
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: but a screw. APT screws you because they get the

1250
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: APT numbers from the APT scout. It's there and like, hey, buck,

1251
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: I know you got a good great Linda wipe, you

1252
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,439
Speaker 1: got four or five one. APTS got him at four

1253
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: seven eight, Like, come on, four or five, I got

1254
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: four or five. I don't know. Like they got right

1255
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: at the border, yeah, right right at the line. Four

1256
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: six one four or five nine is a huge difference

1257
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: when you're sitting in the room and the coach. By

1258
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: the way, I remember they were running on rubber. They're

1259
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: running on the track at sc he didn't want to

1260
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: run come on man, like likeor detail like, yeah, we

1261
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: can add point oh eight to the time and all

1262
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Speaker 1: that other stuff. The fast is fast. Yeah, that's hilarious. Um,

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Speaker 1: all right, this, this has been this has been a

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Speaker 1: long one. It's been a fun one. I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: guys hanging with us today. I we'll catch you next time.

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